well im at ilvl 332 now and frost feels clunky as helll to me anny one else got this problem i thinking a rework is needed or atleast take pillar of frost of the gcd its just painfully awkward....
i agree with all of that. Plus they should take back our 1.8% chance of gain a rune from spending runic power. Its just very weird to press Pilar of Frost > Rem Winter to finally start beating on the target, its like 2 secs doing nothing in front of the enemy.
its like im pressing buttons but nothing is happening keep thinking my mmo mouse is just broken then i look at fury warrior and they dont have this problem soo why do we ?
Same thing with unholy... Clunky, slow and painful. It even felt somewhat clunky in the prepatch with 25+ percent haste. But now I’m rockin’ 9%at 328 ilvl... doesn’t seem like the gear from the dungeons provide enough haste for it to feel good. I do more dps as blood in some scenarios.
Nightfury NOR Exactly this. The rime chance is higher and the crit damage is higher as well. Even with 5 razorice stacks, obliterate still hits harder and frostscythe is only good for multi-target damage
I take icy talons and runic attenuation. These two value each other. Your auto attack crits give you killing machine. I value the 4x damage from the crit then the not critting from frost scythe. I think Soft capping your crit first before stacking mastery. This way you are more often Critting and doing the dubble damage of your mastery. You are also suggesting to ignore Runic Empowerment when you spend runic power from frost strike aswell. So being able to hit frost strike with POF taking Obliteration will grant killing machine and has even a higher chance to gain more runes. So a lot of crits and a lot of frost damage with good momentum.
I got 7 percent haste right now i have to pop cds in order to do anything, i definitely want more haste i feel itll play smoother? rune regen i feel is so important than again im new to DK
Looks like 3 weeks of parses are up and most Frost DK players including yourself are using Frostwyrm's Fury instead of Gathering Storm talent. Based on that I have a question regarding Remorseless Winter use. If I keep it on CD like before it's a DPS loss - I think due to the lost Rune and GCD that could have been used on some better ability. Am I over thinking it or am I on the right track? Is there even a point to casting RW at all? I almost want to take off my bars because I keep hitting it on cooldown due to old muscle memory and I think I am getting wrecked by other DKs that almost never cast it. Your input would be appreciated.
Afaik RW is DPS neutral without GS. I still recommend not casting it, because it messes with your rune recharge slightly, but it shouldn't be a DPS loss
if i've taken glacial advance for a dungeon, on a boss do i use it on CD, weaving FS in where i can, or 2+ targets on CD only? & in AOE situations with breath up do i just use oblit if i've specced into frostscythe purely for the RP generation?
I haven't played GA since beta, but then you still cast it on ST. Depends on how much RP you are at, if you're in no danger of dropping BoS, then it is better to FSC, if your BoS is in danger of falling then you Oblit.
Great video. Im doing most of what you say but picked up a few tips so thanks. Im currently 325 ilvl and stuck at around 6k dps on single target is this normal or am i missing more than i think. Any response is greatly appreicated
@@Hyperion29 sorry dude was a bit of a dumb comment. Ive tried this new rotation and my dps numbers increased significantly. Keep up the good work. Great UI video tutorial too youve seriously improved me.
Hyperion Gaming I usually delay it because I pool my runes before popping everything... So for me I would do my normal rotation and not pop BoS or Pillar of Frost until my Runic Power is above 80 and when I have all my Runes back up that’s when I pop them. I’d go through my first set of Runes, Horn of Winter, deplete those Runes, then finally pop ERW so I have another extended period of time to continue BoS... Not sure if that would make much of a difference but I’ve always though it be better?
U are losing alot of cd like lust and potion waiting that much time, plus RA is better than HOW at higher ilv u should sims urself, the rotation is: oblitx3 if rime proc use HB, wait for some rune ERW> PoF+BOS u should keep that for 20s +
I don't really PvP, so not sure. Also I'm sure whats good in world pvp might be different then what will be good in arena. As for PVE I am currently playing UH
Hey mate do you mind explaining the reasoning behind using erw first? If you pillar first then you can instantly cast breath and erw at the same time since they're both off the gcd
On your opener you will spend 5 runes, so you lose nothing by immediately popping ERW after to be able to roll right into bos. Tbh, the order doesn't make too much of a difference, but I found this ideal
That is not true. Cold Heart outsims Icy Talons by a good margin. Attack speed is good, but it provides too little damage compared to a Pillar-buffed Cold Heart
Hi...about this, i tried to use cold heart as u explain, after pillar (when is 1 sec left) and with proc of unholy strenght but i hit like 18-24k of damage... is that possible or im doing something wrong? Maybe i have low crit?
Might make one later on, but I don't PvP much. Either way, I would only make a guide if I were to push glad, which I probably won't have too much time to do during the first season
For ppl crying, l2p dks,frost is a machine in single target scenario pulling 22k+ and solid 11/12k without cds. In aoe u can manage bos and FWF easy and melt shit with FSC crits,even on simc we are middle/high on dps char. For haste problems: raidbot is ur friend, haste is my last stat,crit/mastery are bis for now.
I could provide you with proof that this stat weight is just as good, but I suppose it would be of no use. Until raid opens you should go with mastery > haste anyway
Never ever play full aoe with Frost DK its way loss dps ur will be in keys good at mobes then at boss ? so bad even at raid good at adds so bad at boss as single U can play as single target and just get 1~2 as max for aoe as Frost DK if u want do really good damage after all means over all when u done at ur idea will be fail and never work at high keys or at myhtic bosses raid
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OPENER CORRECTION: 3x Obliterate > wait 2-3 seconds > ERW > BoS+PoF
TALENT CORRECTION: Frostwyrm's Fury will be better in raids
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My UI Import: tinyurl.com/hyperionbfa
his ui import: tinyurl.com/hyperionbfa he failed on the link :p
You are a god!
Fixed. Thx for noticing
@Hyperion Gaming What is that ui and weakauras you are using i really like it
Opener is still correct? When in opener I should pop Frostwyrm's Fury?
Thank you for the upload this helped me a lot. Here are some time stamps.
1:03 Talents
5:48 Stats
7:36 Rotation
11:34 Enchants & Gems
Thank you Hyper! great job as always
well im at ilvl 332 now and frost feels clunky as helll to me anny one else got this problem i thinking a rework is needed or atleast take pillar of frost of the gcd its just painfully awkward....
i agree with all of that. Plus they should take back our 1.8% chance of gain a rune from spending runic power.
Its just very weird to press Pilar of Frost > Rem Winter to finally start beating on the target, its like 2 secs doing nothing in front of the enemy.
Frost has a lot of downtime, especially at low gear. Even at higher gear, bos build will have pretty significant downtime
Agreed. Playing blood for now until they make frost great again. MFGA
its like im pressing buttons but nothing is happening keep thinking my mmo mouse is just broken then i look at fury warrior and they dont have this problem soo why do we ?
Same thing with unholy... Clunky, slow and painful. It even felt somewhat clunky in the prepatch with 25+ percent haste. But now I’m rockin’ 9%at 328 ilvl... doesn’t seem like the gear from the dungeons provide enough haste for it to feel good. I do more dps as blood in some scenarios.
this has got be an old video from the ptr 140k health as a frost dk already??
Thanks for uploading!
Great video! Thanks a lot
please put time stamps in the description
Is frostscythe with a KM proc still doing more on single target than obliterate?
no, and it it not recommended either, cus u have higher chance of getting rime with oblitirate
Nightfury NOR Exactly this. The rime chance is higher and the crit damage is higher as well. Even with 5 razorice stacks, obliterate still hits harder and frostscythe is only good for multi-target damage
could you give the name of the specific addons you use for DK?
There aren't any. All the general ones can be set up for specific classes, like ElvUI, WeakAuras, and whatever nameplate addon you choose
I take icy talons and runic attenuation. These two value each other. Your auto attack crits give you killing machine. I value the 4x damage from the crit then the not critting from frost scythe. I think Soft capping your crit first before stacking mastery. This way you are more often Critting and doing the dubble damage of your mastery. You are also suggesting to ignore Runic Empowerment when you spend runic power from frost strike aswell. So being able to hit frost strike with POF taking Obliteration will grant killing machine and has even a higher chance to gain more runes. So a lot of crits and a lot of frost damage with good momentum.
could you post your weak auras link ?
tinyurl.com/hyperionbfa
I got 7 percent haste right now i have to pop cds in order to do anything, i definitely want more haste i feel itll play smoother? rune regen i feel is so important than again im new to DK
should def. ahve more than 10%, lower than that haste becomes more valueable
Whats ur BTag?
well maybe dont take every versatility shit ... focus on dungs with crit haste items
haste got shit on you want str crit and vers
Why verse Crit?
Damn dude good content
Looks like 3 weeks of parses are up and most Frost DK players including yourself are using Frostwyrm's Fury instead of Gathering Storm talent. Based on that I have a question regarding Remorseless Winter use. If I keep it on CD like before it's a DPS loss - I think due to the lost Rune and GCD that could have been used on some better ability. Am I over thinking it or am I on the right track? Is there even a point to casting RW at all? I almost want to take off my bars because I keep hitting it on cooldown due to old muscle memory and I think I am getting wrecked by other DKs that almost never cast it. Your input would be appreciated.
Afaik RW is DPS neutral without GS. I still recommend not casting it, because it messes with your rune recharge slightly, but it shouldn't be a DPS loss
Hey man, what addon are you using. The one that shows the timers for the spells. Thank you
In the center? It's an ElvUI actionbar
if i've taken glacial advance for a dungeon, on a boss do i use it on CD, weaving FS in where i can, or 2+ targets on CD only? & in AOE situations with breath up do i just use oblit if i've specced into frostscythe purely for the RP generation?
I haven't played GA since beta, but then you still cast it on ST. Depends on how much RP you are at, if you're in no danger of dropping BoS, then it is better to FSC, if your BoS is in danger of falling then you Oblit.
Great vid. Massive Fan dude. Really like your job. Just a quick question, wheres the website you were talking about? the simmings etc
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I want to set my ui just like yours got a tutorial? Or what addons are which
Jeff Lawrence Theres a video tutorial. He use WA an elvui.
Great video. Im doing most of what you say but picked up a few tips so thanks. Im currently 325 ilvl and stuck at around 6k dps on single target is this normal or am i missing more than i think. Any response is greatly appreicated
What do you mean by single target? Breath build on a dungeon boss? I haven't played frost at all in mythic dungeons, so not sure what is the norm
@@Hyperion29 sorry dude was a bit of a dumb comment. Ive tried this new rotation and my dps numbers increased significantly. Keep up the good work. Great UI video tutorial too youve seriously improved me.
@@deadly919 mind sharing that rotation?
@@notTheXDer in all honesty just follow the guide rotation its doubled my dps now ive got used to it.
Shouldn’t you save Empowered Rune Weapon for during Breath so you can generate more Runic Power within Breath and extend the duration?
No, because either way you are using it during BoS, and since it basically lasts the entire duration of your BoS it is optimal to use it before
Hyperion Gaming I usually delay it because I pool my runes before popping everything...
So for me I would do my normal rotation and not pop BoS or Pillar of Frost until my Runic Power is above 80 and when I have all my Runes back up that’s when I pop them.
I’d go through my first set of Runes, Horn of Winter, deplete those Runes, then finally pop ERW so I have another extended period of time to continue BoS...
Not sure if that would make much of a difference but I’ve always though it be better?
U are losing alot of cd like lust and potion waiting that much time, plus RA is better than HOW at higher ilv u should sims urself, the rotation is: oblitx3 if rime proc use HB, wait for some rune ERW> PoF+BOS u should keep that for 20s +
Leoric I think I noobed out and didn’t realize Empowered Runes Weapon no longer restores all your Runes on use lol...
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Wich addon is that one? the rune power counter?
It is a weakaura for both the runes and the runic power
just saying but ΗΨΡΞRIΩΠ sounds like ipsrksriop if you want it in greek its υπεριον or if you want it verbally its χαιπεριων
Yeah I know, but it is meant to give a simple visual uniqueness to the name, rather than change its linguistics
Nice video as always. I have a question: frost or unholy for mithyc+ ??
At the moment I'm playing Unholy for dungeons
@@Hyperion29 so you play frost in raids ?
Not sure which I will play yet. Gearing both, and will end up deciding on heroic week
first of all thx for such a nice guides...what dk spec would you recommend for a beginner player ? well for leveling and mostly for pve stuff ...
Frost is probably easier to pick up imo, but I prefer Unholy.
vitality giving u damage reduction and extra damage . why u dont use it ?
Mastery has much higher value per point
Is Breathe the only good spec? Is obliteration not good?
Obliteration is a few percent behind. If you're not trying to min/max you can play that build as well
what spec for pvp, and what spec for pve? nice video!
I don't really PvP, so not sure. Also I'm sure whats good in world pvp might be different then what will be good in arena. As for PVE I am currently playing UH
why not double rune of razorice?
You only need 1x to get 5 stacks on the target. Having 2x doesn't help you at all
Hey mate do you mind explaining the reasoning behind using erw first? If you pillar first then you can instantly cast breath and erw at the same time since they're both off the gcd
On your opener you will spend 5 runes, so you lose nothing by immediately popping ERW after to be able to roll right into bos. Tbh, the order doesn't make too much of a difference, but I found this ideal
ERW isn't off the GCD tho...
What name plates are those?
ElvUI
Whats performing better currently unholy or frost?
For dungeons Unholy seems to be doing better
Hyperion Gaming thank you!
Can we get your UI Layout?
tinyurl.com/hyperionbfa I also have a video about it
Wow thank you! but im running into a bit of problems prntscr.com/kmvpbp the action bars are a bit messed up
ElvUI sometimes doesn't import correctly -_-
Go to /ec -> Action bars > Bar 4 > and change the button size to 28
How about a new Addon Guide with WeakAuras ?
Great Video btw keep it up !
I uploaded a WAs guide a few weeks ago :)
Oh yeah just saw it. Thanks for the answer ! :D
Scythe some dks say that its onlu good for 8 targets. I dont know who to trust cuz icy-veins guides are bad too (this time at least)
FSC is equal damage to Oblit with KM proc on ST (but lower rime procs). On 2 targets tho I would always scythe
@@Hyperion29 guess i have to test myself. 10 top key frost dks - obly two with scythe
Hyper, what's your preferred stat %? (Mastery,haste,crit,versa)
I don't really have preferred stats. I just stack mastery>crit as much as I can. A bit of haste makes the spec smoother though
Prioritizing Crit over haste? Alright. I've been doing that, thankfully.
I wish we had alliance pvp set)
i cant see your pinned comment
Cold heart is definitely not what you should be taking. Especially with breath...Missing out on 30% attack speed is a big dmg loss.
That is not true. Cold Heart outsims Icy Talons by a good margin. Attack speed is good, but it provides too little damage compared to a Pillar-buffed Cold Heart
Hi...about this, i tried to use cold heart as u explain, after pillar (when is 1 sec left) and with proc of unholy strenght but i hit like 18-24k of damage... is that possible or im doing something wrong? Maybe i have low crit?
which addons u use ?
Check my add-on spreadsheet that is pinned.
Can you do a pvp guide cuz i feel DK pvp is pretty much dead right now...
Might make one later on, but I don't PvP much. Either way, I would only make a guide if I were to push glad, which I probably won't have too much time to do during the first season
Check out Hazzed, bro
For ppl crying, l2p dks,frost is a machine in single target scenario pulling 22k+ and solid 11/12k without cds. In aoe u can manage bos and FWF easy and melt shit with FSC crits,even on simc we are middle/high on dps char. For haste problems: raidbot is ur friend, haste is my last stat,crit/mastery are bis for now.
Yeah frost is definitely doing very good damage
WHAT ABOUT PVP TALENTS?
Idk, I don't pvp at a high level
Nice video.. :D
Frost or unholy?
For?
icy veins said haste was main stat....that explains a lot of why my dps is so fucking bad
I could provide you with proof that this stat weight is just as good, but I suppose it would be of no use. Until raid opens you should go with mastery > haste anyway
I love you
saw a backpeddle
Nice
Frost and Blood should swap roles
I kind of agree
Never ever play full aoe with Frost DK its way loss dps ur will be in keys good at mobes then at boss ? so bad even at raid good at adds so bad at boss as single U can play as single target and just get 1~2 as max for aoe as Frost DK if u want do really good damage after all means over all when u done at ur idea will be fail and never work at high keys or at myhtic bosses raid
This is not a guid this is ur opinion icy veins have a diffent version of talents mmo champion another version
Kinda upset getting trolled by a guide from the beta servers and not even from the live servers.. 136k hp? Nice try dude
Yeah, cause the footage used definitely makes any difference to the content of the guide. Good logic