Thanks for making this video. I hope others can learn from my mistakes. Many were made.first one I’ll have to admit is ego. I can honestly say that after 1000+ dives I became lazy with my pre-dive checks. My OCTO was not in the right place. And I forgot to put a back up mask in my pocket. When my Reg popped out of my face mask I took in a gulp of water I could not see my buddy and needed to breath. So up I went. Also I haven’t practiced a single emergency skill since the day I got certified. Definitely a recipe for disaster. I switched my video from public to private after receiving a ton of hate. Even people going as far as saying they wished I would of died. Definitely not something anybody wants to hear. Since this incident I have decided to recertify and get back to the basics. 12 years of dive experience means nothing if you become lazy and end up putting yourself and others in danger because of it. Thanks again for making the video. Love your channel!
I honestly respect a student who always remembers he’s still a student. Gus NEVER shys away from letting us know He’s not certified for something. Then instantly acknowledges that woody is the one specialized here. The whole videos he’s literally listening and learning from his mentor. Love to see that.
That dive was about 55 foot deep and I was just there the other day. I am glad Sam is ok. I like how you guys are using the videos for learning and not attacking other divers.
@@johnlindsaycollins yeah. Not quite. Just someone doing a quick dive for food and having an emergency. Alot of divers will experience problems. Not everyone does a full gameplan for open water dives after years and years of diving. They should but it's life.
‘Not required ‘ if people say that , well my instructor back in the day would call that very dumb , you always have anticipate and look after yourself for survival down there , so imo opinion people that say diving with a full face mask and not taking extra measures by taking another spare regulator and a secondary normal mask with you is very dumb , this video is proof of that , he could’ve taken his spare regulator , start breathing , keep calm , and take out his second diving mask , everything fine , continue the dive or abort it as they see fit and fix it back when they get quay or boat side
"I sense ego" My motorcycle safety course instructor told us "as soon as you think you know it all you need to stop riding motorcycles because you don't, and that thinking is going to turn you into road pizza" and he stressed several times in the motorcycle safety course that the "last thing you want to do is turn into road pizza" As soon as you think you're an expert is when you get yourself killed. Even if you're more experienced than everyone else, and are an expert by their standards, you can't know everything, so acting like you do sets you up for failure. And failing on a motorcycle is more likely to turn you into road pizza.
I know zero about diving but I was going to comment about this. The ego thing is definitely a huge problem in the motorcycle community as well and its difficult for people to accept when mistakes were made. Very similar to what I've seen with some diving videos. I guess its just humans in general, huh.
If the water was so cold it felt like a punch in the face, The Mike Tyson quote comes to mind. " Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face"
It’s always great to hear at the beginning of the video, that they are always trying to learn from people’s mistakes. They don’t call people stupid for their mistakes, they give the advice of how to fix it.
It seems like woody is always in a state of “trying not to be too excited on camera” in the beginning😂 he always seems like he’s containing his excitement to talk and see the video haha. I’m pretty sure these videos are so captivating because you can clearly tell it’s just 2 dudes taking about something they genuinely love and the excitement of sharing it with others! Gotta love uncle woody and Gus!!! I like to think I’ll meet them one day😌 one of the best channels on TH-cam…and I’m on here a lot😐😅😆
@@Youre_Right He's not a guest. See.. *whispers, Gus gave him a keyboard. And then Woody pauses and comments because people who watch the channel often, encourage him to do so.
@@Youre_Right whoa dude better watch out ! They don’t take kindly to any other type of criticism if it’s not Brown nosing or correcting them when they’re wrong . I agree he needs to stop STOPPING the videos EVERY SECOND! it’s annoying as hell !
Been diving since the yr 2000...I've learned there is no room for ego. After 23 years of diving...I k ow that I STILL have so much to learn. Even after being a commercial scuba, surface supply and even as a padi instructor...there is still SO much to learn.
I need to say Sam is one of the most generous and humble guys. He doesn’t have fancy things and just enjoys life and helping others. I’m sure at that time he was confident in his skills but as he admitted here in comments, he should have refreshed the emergency procedures and paid more attention to safety. That’s all. Good comments Gus & Woody👍🏻
I can understand his reaction when the cold water hit his face and gulped water in. That’s a full blown panic attack. Glad they are safe and people should learn from this and train skills
You make a great point Woody about ego. I find my years of Freediving a great benefit for my solo scuba diving. But all I get is hate from fellow scuba divers who are just like this guy. They shake their heads at me, call me stupid, but then start asking me how to do such things. I have a few rules I dive by. Never dive deeper, by yourself, that your will to go to the surface without air. Never take risks, even small ones Also take a back up air source and an alternate 2nd stage. Plus two cutting tools. Always tell someone where your going and how long you’ll be gone for. Always, always test your rig before entering the water. Did I miss anything? Love your work guys!
17:23 Yeah, with all due respect, it seems like he's reaching for reasons to explain himself instead of just saying, "I panicked." Woody has a good point about egos, but admitting he panicked could also make other divers hesitate before diving with him again. I'm not saying that's the right reaction, but I understand why some might not want a dive buddy that's prone to panic.
Just my two cents- but the video needs to be viewed with Sam’s comment pinned above. He admits his errors, with great humility. Personally, I’d rather dive with someone that panicked and learned from it, that someone who can’t be honest about such issues. The water is no place for self delusion. That said, I reckon I look pretty hot in my wetsuit… so, maybe a little self delusion is ok.
@@fiacmar I wasn't saying that's a good thing. Of course it's best to be honest about those situations. We can learn from them, and the more divers open up about that stuff the easier it will be for others to do the same. However overlooking that can be easier said than done for a lot of people, and the doubt they feel is understandable.
My one brother is a scuba teacher, and is certified on everything he possibly can be. He's been all over the world diving. He tried SO hard to get me to dive. I told him repeatedly, NO. I'm too afraid of what happened to Sam. I'd be terrified of having an accident, or my regulator suddenly just stop, and there's no air. I have nightmares about it. I'd be happy to just swim on a reef with a snorkel, flippers, and a mask. Some of us are just not made for diving, although I love watching his videos that he makes, in exotic locations! So glad you are safe Sam. I gave your son heck for posting that video of him, alone, swimming in a river, when the current dragged him down to the bottom. Last thing I would want to see is him having an accident and not having a dive buddy with him. Best to you and your family! 🍀
Yes! Exactly as Woody said, you don't know how you're going to react in an emergency until you're in one. You can only hope you'll react calmly and appropriately.
I once saw an 'arrest' underwater. I was in the Keys, and my buddy and I saw an abandoned lobster trap with a lobster in it. We both agreed to not go near it. Lobster traps can be retrieved by their owners even if detached, and lobster fisherman are VERY serious about their traps. But along came another couple who started messing with the trap. We watched as a FL Fish and Wildlife officer came up from behind them...then tapped the one diver on the shoulder. He showed him a badge and pointed up. Boom. Underwater violation ticket served.
@@betsybarnicle8016 I was once at a party in the middle of a lake. It was aptly named "Floatstock" and everyone brought rafts and beverages. We were all floating in the middle of the lake and a drunken scuffle broke out on a raft. The police pulled up in a boat.
One thing I absolutely love about you guys is how much emphasis you put on safety and training. It makes me really want to learn rec diving. Just to understand better what you guys are talking about.
Safety is everything. Diving is similar to flying. Humans were NOT meant to be there. Even the most simple mistake can be your last. When choosing where to get your certification, consider this comparison: PADI is a for-profit organization that sells products and markets itself. NAUI is a not-for-profit organization that focuses on safety education. Who do you think has YOUR best interests at heart.
The situation itself didn't make him look bad, but the explanation did. :) Great video as always. Can't wait for the drycaving and searching for gold videos hahaha
When I took my lessons to get certified, our instructor spent a lot of time on panic situations in the pool and I'm so grateful for that. We spent a lot of time mask clearing, losing regulators, sharing regulators. I know it's not the same as something actually happening but it teaches you to try and stay calm and that you will die from panicking!!!!
Gents, well done to the three of you ( Sam included) for holding this After Action Review into the CESA. The most effective impact of this review, is understanding what went wrong but more importantly how to react to such a situation. Unlike some of the Keyboard Warriors ( who posts that they wish another diver had died ?? ), you have critiqued the video with a degree of sensitivity, whilst also explaining how to manage such a situation. As you described, panic can throw all of our acquired skills and training out of the window. Its very easy for us to say "remain calm under pressure", but as you alluded to, that clarity of thought when it all goes pear shaped, is an acquired skill in itself . Thank you for sharing your insights.
I think this is a perfect example of how panic can immediately put you in a fight or flight state and make you think irrationally, immediately, regardless of your training. I'm sure if he was expecting it to happen, it would have gone differently and maybe he would have used his alternate air source. I think it's also worth considering at what point he was in his breathing. Was he inhaling? Exhaling? Did he have enough air to hold? I know that he was breathing out while rising, but how much of that air was something he could actually use in his lungs? Certainly, having your mask flood suddenly and losing your source of air will make you do all kinds of irrational things! Thanks for another informative video! It's actually kind of reassuring to know how to avoid or deal with such accidents and I think these kinds of "reaction to failure or catastrophe" video are actually a lot more informative and helpful than videos of people just enjoying diving (although, those other videos are equally as entertaining, don't get me wrong!).
I love your humble approach Woody…ego ruins many things. Also, you never judge people unnecessarily, you always give them the benefit of the doubt…even though you’ve been diving for forty odd years. Love it xxx
this is a perfect example of why, even as an instructor, you should practice your emergency procedures so it becomes second nature. You never know when an incident is going to happen.
I wonder why he didn`t try to get his spare-regulator. And man, he had his buddy who could help him with his spare-regulator...they seemed like experienced divers.
I’m one of the people that sees a new video….presses like straight away before even watching the video….mainly as a marker to show myself that I’ve watched it, plus I already know I’m going to like it! Thanks guys!
The value of a refresher course is impossible to overestimate. Practicing and practicing has an incalculable value and may save your life. In contrast, ego will get you killed in this sport. It was terrible to see such hubris on display. Maybe this video will make him go back to re-watch his own video and he takes away important lessons.
NOTIFICATION POPS UP …I get so EXCITED!! YOU GUYS ARE SO HUMBLE !! Respect gentleman 🙌🏻🇺🇸✊🏻THANK YOU FOR SHARING ITS SO INFORMATIVE ON WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN when u dive
I discovered your channel cause I was looking for: Horror movies, then I felt on Mr. Ballen and 1 or 2 days later, I found you guys. Because I was so much feeding myself toward horror stories, I was like ''no way I'm ever going to scuba dive! water is scary man!'' and now, because of you 2 guys, I kinda want to try it sometime in my life (just for fun, no deep dive or cave diving) so I just want to thank you again and keep posting those videos, you just made me discover a new hobby :)
Woody, for people who haven’t seen your other dive talk video, when you say you lost a diver it makes it seem like a diver died, which is thankfully not the case!
I used to dive a Ocean Reef full face mask, before i got in to technical diving. Ocean Reef has their regulators intergrated so they can never come out. So basicly deu to pressure in the mask it can never flood. I remember from class that we always bring a sparemask.
Woody will probably know this… the OTS regulator could not have been connected properly. They are very secure to the point they are difficult to remove when properly connected. Because they are positive pressure, they, too, are very difficult to flood. The regulator will flow if the mask loses that pressure. It just seemed to me that he overreacted and should have spent a few seconds to properly insert the reg into the mask.
As a binge watching non-diver... The most valuable lessons I learned during this amazing episode are: 1. Pre-Trip your equipment and seals every single dive. 2. Create equipment failures in a controlled environment. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I can only speculate: If a full-face mask's regulator can pop out like that, I think a valuable experience would be the shock factor of removing your regulator while you're under water. It's interesting how poorly I can react to a situation I've never experienced before. Create the uncomfortable situation to find out what it feels like, find out if you need to bail 5ft deep in a pool :P Then practice it again. Muscle memory is key for developing all the skills I've found myself proficient in. I think it's easy to confuse our expectation with the possibility of reality. Sure, I wouldn't 'expect' my regulator to *ever* separate from my mask, but I'd love to know how I'd react if it ever did~! "Painters aren't great because at birth they can paint; Painters are great because they paint a lot"
I like how you actually will do some research into the stories you cover. It shows you actually take your channel seriously enough take the time to do some research instead of just throwing videos up to try and make a few dollars. Good luck and no doubt if you keep things going the way you are, you will hit that point where you start growing exponentially!
Hi guys. Another excellent video! Thank you! I’ve never dove full face mask… I’ve only heard about “how risky it is”. And your explanations on the 2 available emergency procedures are very clear and useful. Also, your insights on human natural panic reaction are great… I’ve been there… and as you’ve mentioned, when panic kicks in, there’s a lot more chances you forgot everything and you, all of a sudden, just find yourself acting purely instinctual in fight-flight survival mode. It really needs a lot of practice of emergency drills to over-right the survival instinctual impulse and have useful automatisms kicking in first instead, when panicking. I agree with you on both observations: 1. It looks like the guy was briefly hit by panic when cold water flooded ( great explanation, Woody! ), forgot about the octo, tried to breathe the falling piece ( attempt only ), and then just flew up after failing. All that thinking process he describes seems to be only a post-factual rationalization meant to “save face”. Great observation Gus, that you actually have more time for thinking and deciding… but it’s so dammed hard to do it in such a moment, without practicing it beforehand; 2. He seems to be driven a bit by his ego at the debriefing, instead of admitting the panic. But it also seems he had learned from that situation ( he had emphasized the importance of training ). Great lesson for all of us! Thanks for what you’re doing!
I have never and if I'm honest, probably will never go diving. Regardless, I love your videos. My partner thinks it's strange that I'm so obsessed with your channel lol I just enjoy the knowledge and passion that you both have for diving. Plus I love learning new things. Thank you both for sharing your knowledge with us.
DIVE TALK: GOLD RUSH EDITION. Episode Details: Woody kidnaps his friend Gus by luring him into a van with new diving gear. Gus, a maverick has his suspicions but the appeal is too much to resist. As Gus crawls into the van to grab the dive gear, Woody locks him inside. Gus, angered gives a disapproving Gus look. Woody, gives a wide eyed Woody look in return. Despite Gus's pleas to let him out, Woody drives Gus to a secret abandoned gold filled river 100 miles from the nearest town. Upon arrival Woody let's Gus out and throws the vans keys into the river. Gus waves his phone at Woody and informs him he's calling a cab. Woody takes Gus's phone and throws it in the river. Woody then tosses his own phone in the river. Gus, defeated, gears up and both Woody and Gus dive into the river in search of the van keys. Will they find gold? Will they find the keys? Will Gus drown Woody? Will Woody stop throwing things into the river? Find out next week on...DIVE TALK: GOLD RUSH EDITION.
the "oh YEAH" about diving for 12 years also did not sit right with me. agreed woody. also just because he told the other dude to lead the dive does not mean he switched into solo mode. they still should be working as a team. just roles reversed. No knock on you sam. happy you are alive
I like that you guys keep it real and are not afraid of being honest and say it how you see it. No BS. I noticed it first with your reaction to mr ballen videos and now with this one. I hope Sam is able to take it and reflect on this experience, this could save his life next time.
Love the vid once again guys, going back and watching again though he actually does take 9 seconds from failure to CESA trying to find his Occy (maybe his very large crab bag was in the way with his panic?) funny how in the moment it seemed immediate. CESA lasted about 15 seconds at what looked like about twice the recommended ascent rate (1ft/s), basically his terminal velo, about 2ft/s which would put him at about 30ft is my best guess. I put the measurements in moon explorer units for you.
I recognized this dive site as soon as the video started. This is the T-Dock in Mukilteo, WA. Depending on the tide, the geodome where he started the accent is around 50', probably a little less since at the beginning of the video it looked like a low tide based on the exposed pilings.
Regarding "what the rush is"... There is a significant difference between running into an air issue at 180feet versus 25feet. If he spends 15 to 25 seconds trying to sort out his alternate regulator, and IF that is also busted, welp, then he just burned that time for no gain. The key difference seems to be whether you can get straight to the surface safely or not. I envision someone practicing in a swimming pool and drowning in 10 feet of water because they sat at the bottom trying to sort out some issue instead of just going up
When I was comparison shopping, the ability to disconnect the regulator from the mask for separate servicing vs completely integrated was one I weighed carefully. Ultimately, I opted for the Ocean Reef, but I can understand why rescue and technical divers would choose OTS for that very reason. I'm very glad I got certified, doffing and donning is a whole new experience with a FFM.
@S M Probably the best apples-to-apples comparison is the Ocean Reef Neptune (integrated and serviceable only by certified technicians) vs the OTS Guardian (detachable so you can service the regulator separately). Neither use zip ties.
I think, whilst there was some 'bravado' ish behind it, he was actually making the same point you were, that even with years of experience and training, you just don't know how you'll react in the moment. Maybe 95% of the time you'd take it in your stride, but sometimes you're just not 'ready for it', your mind is on something else or you're already experiencing task loading and stressors elsewhere, and you panic. I'm waiting on being able to do FFM training with one of my instructors and really looking forwards to it. It's always good to see and experience failure and go in, all eyes open! Thanks and thanks to the original team as well for sharing their own video.
Whenever I watch “Dive Talk” I am left with questions. Like…who is more insanely charming…Woody or Gus? Who has the best one liners…Woody or Gus? So many questions…so little time. 😉
Doing the wrong thing in a panic situation is understandable. Putting out a video showing you do the wrong thing, not acknowledging it and saying your training paid off troubles me a bit. If the person took down the video because they realized the message was off then I respect them for it. I am glad you guys pointed out the bcd and drysuits are not elevators and that refresher courses and drills are important.
Great topic, thanks for the video. EGO EGO ALERT :-)))) Ok we all make mistakes, we all had our scary moments and we should just admit when we panic... blasting to the surface without even trying to reach for your octo or looking for your buddy assistance is a major panic reaction. It's not the best situation to be out of air under water but we can deal with it (at least for a while) when we are experienced divers. In my country (France), because many of our dives include deco, going up when something's wrong is out of the question, simply impossible to even consider. I think it really helps mentaly to know that it's never an option.
Woody, my respect to you. You can do plenty of things and nothing will happen and just because of that it doesn't mean that the extra precautions weren't needed. You need an extra mask in case something like this happens as you need a seat belt in case you crash your car. People is just so arrogant and think that just because something like this hasn't happened to them it would never do. Guys, keep doing what you are doing as I know 99.99% of your viewers are taking note.
Great video guys. Been diving for 6 years now, i have worked as a DM and probably have around 350-400 dives, i dont know everything and i will never know everything, i can only try my best to drill into my head how to react in certain situations. My fear of deep water, my understanding that this is an extreme sport activity and to not take any body of water for granted keeps me from getting complacent and lazy in pre dive checks, going beyond my limits, in continuously checking everyone is okay and in learning safety procedures.
I appreciate what you guys do. Lesson learned type of videos save lives. I'm not a diver but it doesn't matter there's always something that translates to other sports and occupations, such as being prepared, doing checks ect.
I've had a out of air situation early in my diving experience. Decades ago. I was 60 ft down. I made an accent up the anchor line of the boat, at just a hair faster than recommended time. It taught me, that you have time. Also, we use to dive real close by, so getting your mask kicked sideways and flooded routinely. Lots of mask clearing practice. Way back during initial training, the instructor had us swim laps with only the regulator, but no mask, in the pool. You're not going to suck in air thru your nose, and breath just fine, thru the reg.
17:34 you weren't the only one who was struck by that feeling too Woody. I have no experience in diving but it really did feel like a little bit of grandstanding? I think he panicked, is embarrassed because he expects more out of himself because of his decade+ experience and/or didn't want his buddy (with extremely little experience) save him from a mistake he might find to be foolish. Either way, what's important is that both of them are safe abd healthy.
Hey guys! Great video. In the beginning when he waves his finger to say no this is because the crab is a female. The flap on the belly of the Dungeness crab is how you can tell. A male has a narrow flap while a female has a wide flap like the one in the video. You can’t keep female Dungeness crab in the Puget Sound. The dive location is called the Mukilteo T-Dock and the dome they are at is 55-70’ deep depending on the side you are on and the tides. Awesome breakdown keep up the hard work.
It didn’t seem like he went for his Octo but he was more than likely having a moment of panic. When that happens, it’s difficult to remember all of your safety training, even for professionals. Even if you don’t normally panic, in underwater situations, panic comes easily when things go wrong. I think it’s a good idea to simulate a situation of panic so people can practice if things go wrong. What you do normally is what you will do when you panic.
I think that even in a semi-panic I would have made a more motivated effort to get one of my other regulators in my mouth. Less appealing to me would have been an emergency ascent. Maaaybe at 30 or less ft. I may have felt it would be easier to surface? idk
Just a note about him reaching for his secondary, it appears he does briefly reach for it, but his movement is partially hidden by his crab bag, and the camera moving off him a couple times.
I can definitely understand what Gus and Woody are trying to say about these emergency situations. As a martial artist I can understand how you never know how your going to react to certain situations. Sometimes you might not be able to react well enough in stressful situations and follow procedures perfectly. This is why constant practice is needed to help your mind react without thinking. For instance, there are moves in kenpo karate I have practiced for months on a daily basis, and when my sensei's throw a random attack I can execute a proper defense without thinking. Tho when I dont practice thinking "Oh I practiced that a million times, I dont need to practice it anymore" and I wait days or weeks without practice, it takes my mind a lot longer to react or I cant remember how to protect myself at all. And if that were a real life situation I would have panicked and got hurt. Thats why practice is needed for your safety wether its for scuba, or any sort of diving, or even martial arts. I enjoy the fact I can relate martial arts to diving sometimes. Heck, even the term buoyancy was used the other day and I was like "Oh ya I know what buoyancy is! I learned that from dive talk!" Turns out we use buoyancy to our advantage to make people move where we want them to. For instance, a wrist lock can force someone up on there tip toes.
The thing I don't get is the whole 'assuming i'm a solo diver'. Start the dive as a pair, dive the dive as a pair, end the dive as a pair. I can only think of a few SUPER hedge cases where a dive plan would involve splitting a buddy pair into two solo divers midway through the thing. I try to stick really firmly to the 'plan the dive and dive the plan' outlook. Alter nothing unless it's unavoidable.
Anytime I hear about diver's splitting up I actually think about cowpoke Cieroni everytime since I've started watching dive talk. I really enjoy these guys.
@@chriscoker7794 I'm always reminded at one of the multiple choice questions in the SDI open water theory test. 'What do you do if you lose your buddy' A) Look for 1 minute then head to the surface B) Continue the dive without them C)Find a new buddy, and continue with them. The answer for C has always stuck in my head xD (paraphrased question wording)
@@Phoxinsocks I'm not a diver but hope that I'll get the opportunity one day. I've just about gotten hooked watching these guys though. How long have you been diving and how long ago was your certificate test?
@@chriscoker7794 Should deffo get in the water when you can! It's awesome that Gus and Woody hit the algorithm just right and have been able to get so many non-divers interested. I did my first dive in the middle east umm, 13-14 years ago now. Only recently got back into the hobby after becoming a little more financially stable. :3
Woody you nailed with the ego comment you are spot on. He never went for his alternative he just bailed.. I love your reaction videos a lot can be learnt from them . Dive safely lads
Gus, do you have a video talking about your OOA scenario on the trimix course? Would love more details on that. Woody, do you have a video talking about inability to breath at depth? Thanks so much for all the videos and the work you two are doing!
Yes I think I talked about that in one of the videos but don’t remember which one…I do remember Woody telling me to “wrap it up” because I was spending a lot of time talking about the details. But people wanna know!
Hi woody and gus. I am subscribed and I watch all your videos. I'm a non diver. I'm way too claustrophobic to dive. But I get to live vicariously through you guys. Great job. Love y'all!!! Keep the videos coming. I get really excited when I get the pop up that you've released a new video!!!
Oh yeah, there's an ego issue! I'm a very new subscriber and am STUNNED at the level of judgment and demeaning arrogance about criticizing divers who get in trouble. I truly don't know who they're putting on their show for, total strangers from within their technical community or themselves? Billy Bada$$ always shows up here.
Can't wait for my Dive Talk notification to come over the phone. You guys do a great job. When do we get to hear about Edd Sorenson doing that body recovery in the Dominican Republic? Can't wait for it. Massive respect for Edd!!
I'd rather have to much than to little in anything in life, also your channel is one of the most educational fun to watch and interesting on TH-cam. Also LOVE how sciencey you guys get my favorite part.
You make a good point of not really knowing how you’re going to act until it happens. I have had a few incidents, and there is always something to learn. If you make a mistake, then you reflect on that and hopefully don’t repeat it. If you do what you’re trained to do, then you gain confidence in your ability to keep calm and act. Two episodes: 1: I was a fairly new diver, about 40 dives going for my first cold water night dive. Get sick and throw up in my reg at about 18 m. Chunk gets stuck somewhere in the second stage, so a bit of water comes in every time I breathe. I tell my buddy and thumb the dive, ascend in free water into a shipping lane (not great). -Lessons: -I had a secondary which I didn’t think to use. I could have switched to that, and ascended somewhere safer. Lesson learned. -I kept calm, and even though my solution weren’t optimal, they were safe which made me a more confident diver. 2: Diving in a well known place, at about 20 m, suddenly the front piece of the second stage just… falls off. I didn’t know that at that moment, I just breathed in and got a mouthful of water. Had the stupid thought that maybe my lips weren’t sealing properly around the reg (stupid because there was way too much water for that, and no air). So I purge my reg and get a mixture of air and water. Go to take a breath: mouth full of water again. This time I remember my lesson from incident 1. I have another regulator. It’s on a necklace around my neck, so even with fumbling I find it quickly. Now I look at the first reg and see what the problem is. Surprise! No cover, no membrane, no ring! So I tell my buddies (one was new, the other was taking pictures) that I’m having trouble and we’re turning the dive. We calmly swim back to shallower water, while I stay really close to one of my buddies in case of a second malfunction. Calm safety stop. Ascend. -Lessons: -Talk with the new diver before your dive on how you expect them to behave in an incident (they were way too far away, and above me, so I had to look around for them, which added a bit of stress). -Shorten the necklace, for even quicker regulator switch. Every incident is an opportunity to learn something, and watching other people’s incidents, like on your channel, also gives an opportunity to learn. Thanks guys!
Woody: "You all know that hes going to do various things with me. So you all know we are going to do a lot stuff together. You may remember what those things are because I will never forget. We ARE going to do them. Gus is in... See how hes in... Look at him. Can't wait. I'm not going to remind him what those things are. You know, that I know, that you know that we are going to do these together" Gus: "Yeah..." Woody: "Can't wait."
I love these two. If I was going to get trained I would want these guys to do it. I also wonder if the guy who panicked, if he was at all competent around water prior to diving, he just shouldn't have reacted like that, there's no reason for it. I've been caught in rips with no diving gear with waves dumping ever few seconds, I was 12 and you just relax, panic is your enemy in water. I would suggest if your at all prone to panic in water it's just best to keep the hell away from it or "unlearn" that panic reflex. Anyway love you guys!!
We might…I just wish there was video of it…and of course in both cases it wasn’t really an “out of air” situation exactly, it was an equipment failure (I.E. tank is full but regulator won’t give you air) although the effect is the exact same, no air.
You should have an alternate everything! So with a full face mask, it's not an open circuit? He didn't seem like he trusted his dive partner. Great video. Thanks.
Just to let you know, I’m assuming he’s pointing at the underside of the crab and saying “no” at the beginning because when it’s a female and she has eggs you’re not supposed to take them, you leave them so they can hatch many many more haha
Literally no intention of ever diving...I've tried face masks above ground doing confined space training and the anxiety I feel is insane...but these guys are so likeable and informative...I can't wait to meet someone who dives and I can pretend I've done it 100 times with all the knowledge I learned on these videos😂 I think even saying air instead of oxygen counts for alot😂 I should also note that I was bang in the middle of a movie(a good one) saw this pop up and put the movie on pause 😂
very few people dive with full face masks. I've done some very basic training (H2S safety) that involved learning to use SCBAs and I personally found it to be completely different from scuba diving in terms of anxiety and how It feels to do them. go take a discover scuba diving pool session in your area, make your decision on diving or not that way. SCBAs and SCUBA are comparable but not the same experience
Haven’t scuba dived yet either! But Jonathan’s blue world and dive talk have quickly become apart of my daily life for a while now! They really have a way of making the viewers feel like they know them and it’s always great to click on these videos and hang out for a bit.
@@Martoozle H2S....SCBA....fuck me I've more bullshit terminology to learn 😂😂😂 Anyway, I live in Ireland, the water here is nooooot inviting...nor is the sealife we have here😂 Shit...I think I should say marine life in this scenario?LMAO
@@TheprogresBMX I was thinking it would be cool if they took one of there subs with the same mindset as us,someone with a bit of fear about scuba diving and document over time taking them through the steps to open circuit dive as a starter...maybe afterwards even doing a 30m plus dive with the person..but just as a way of showing that someone who has a fear in the beginning is able to overcome and enjoy diving with the benefit of having good safe instructors like these to get people into it....not relying on companies/trainers who wing it. E.g. the guys who left the austrailan instructor on his own
I have been trained to dive with Aga and OTS full face masks for public safety diving. One of our drills is flood the mask at the bottom of the pool and clear the mask. We also drill on mask removal, after which we swim the perimeter of the pool using our backup 2nd stage, and no mask. I agree that it is best to carry a regular mask when diving with a full face, however it's best to be prepared to make your ascent without any mask in case of failure.
I love y’all’s Videos and I’ve always wanted to learn scuba diving and at one point was going to go without training… But after watching your videos and being subscribed for a while now i’ve learned that’s a terrible idea and I’m getting my training at my local dive shop thanks guys keep it up!!!
Hey, I know this site. It is the T-dock in Washington. I know you asked about the depth a few times, at the part of the geodome where the accident occured it is between 45-50 ftsw depending on the tide. At the farside of the dome it can be between 55-60 feet, this site is on a fairly steep hill all the way down. Also around as of last week the temperature was around 54 degrees. And incase anyone is wondering what the pipes at the beggining are for, they used to be seawater collection pipes for the NOAA station that is next door. Sadly the station had to close down this summer due to lack of funding I believe.
at the end of every dive , on a safety stop ,,,, practice something , your near the surface and have three mins to kill , so why waste a training opportunity , I still do it and I have a lot of dives under my belt.
He did you dirty in the thumbnail Woody... Look like Dee Snider waking up after a long weekend. Lol Great video guys! I really love your breakdowns that actually educate anyone who's watching on the safety of diving. Never a disappointing watch!
Thanks for making this video. I hope others can learn from my mistakes. Many were made.first one I’ll have to admit is ego. I can honestly say that after 1000+ dives I became lazy with my pre-dive checks. My OCTO was not in the right place. And I forgot to put a back up mask in my pocket. When my Reg popped out of my face mask I took in a gulp of water I could not see my buddy and needed to breath. So up I went. Also I haven’t practiced a single emergency skill since the day I got certified. Definitely a recipe for disaster.
I switched my video from public to private after receiving a ton of hate. Even people going as far as saying they wished I would of died. Definitely not something anybody wants to hear.
Since this incident I have decided to recertify and get back to the basics.
12 years of dive experience means nothing if you become lazy and end up putting yourself and others in danger because of it.
Thanks again for making the video. Love your channel!
So glad you are ok Sam!
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Hate?? God people on the internet are the worst sometimes. You certainly don't deserve that. I'm glad you're ok and what a gracious response!
@@pattywieder3268 People suck!
Almost every dive gone wrong is due to ego and impatience.
I honestly respect a student who always remembers he’s still a student. Gus NEVER shys away from letting us know He’s not certified for something. Then instantly acknowledges that woody is the one specialized here. The whole videos he’s literally listening and learning from his mentor. Love to see that.
Really! I do very much like this as well. Respect is the key.
That dive was about 55 foot deep and I was just there the other day. I am glad Sam is ok. I like how you guys are using the videos for learning and not attacking other divers.
Always. We do not throw people under the bus, everyone can make mistakes!
@@johnlindsaycollins yeah. Not quite. Just someone doing a quick dive for food and having an emergency. Alot of divers will experience problems. Not everyone does a full gameplan for open water dives after years and years of diving. They should but it's life.
‘Not required ‘ if people say that , well my instructor back in the day would call that very dumb , you always have anticipate and look after yourself for survival down there , so imo opinion people that say diving with a full face mask and not taking extra measures by taking another spare regulator and a secondary normal mask with you is very dumb , this video is proof of that , he could’ve taken his spare regulator , start breathing , keep calm , and take out his second diving mask , everything fine , continue the dive or abort it as they see fit and fix it back when they get quay or boat side
"I sense ego"
My motorcycle safety course instructor told us "as soon as you think you know it all you need to stop riding motorcycles because you don't, and that thinking is going to turn you into road pizza" and he stressed several times in the motorcycle safety course that the "last thing you want to do is turn into road pizza"
As soon as you think you're an expert is when you get yourself killed. Even if you're more experienced than everyone else, and are an expert by their standards, you can't know everything, so acting like you do sets you up for failure. And failing on a motorcycle is more likely to turn you into road pizza.
Love this comment.
Road pizza 🤣🤣🤣
Mmm road pizza 🍕
He ain't wrong though👍 sounds like you had an awesome instructor that cared about his students.
I know zero about diving but I was going to comment about this. The ego thing is definitely a huge problem in the motorcycle community as well and its difficult for people to accept when mistakes were made. Very similar to what I've seen with some diving videos. I guess its just humans in general, huh.
If the water was so cold it felt like a punch in the face, The Mike Tyson quote comes to mind. " Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face"
Really. Everyone has a plan until they panick.
I love how Woody only deals in facts, doesn’t bother with speculation too much
Sam is awesome man I got all the utmost respect for him.
@@ronalddecker7626 dang, those 2 years flew by lol
@@fatbroccoli8 ur getting older haha, times goes in a blink of an eye for sure.
I recognized that ferry in the background when he came out of the water! I live there! That’s the Puget Sound, very cold water.
It’s always great to hear at the beginning of the video, that they are always trying to learn from people’s mistakes. They don’t call people stupid for their mistakes, they give the advice of how to fix it.
They are the type people that I actually enjoy learning from. They are natural teachers for most people.
🔵 Woody’s comment “do you see a policeman in a cave” checking if you have three torches had me in tears 😭🤣😂
On the other hand, they're harping on certifications all the time.
It seems like woody is always in a state of “trying not to be too excited on camera” in the beginning😂 he always seems like he’s containing his excitement to talk and see the video haha. I’m pretty sure these videos are so captivating because you can clearly tell it’s just 2 dudes taking about something they genuinely love and the excitement of sharing it with others! Gotta love uncle woody and Gus!!! I like to think I’ll meet them one day😌 one of the best channels on TH-cam…and I’m on here a lot😐😅😆
I think he’s really passionate about stuff and yes, he’s ready to discuss! 😂😁
YASSSS
@@Youre_Right watch a different channel then bud
@@Youre_Right He's not a guest. See.. *whispers, Gus gave him a keyboard. And then Woody pauses and comments because people who watch the channel often, encourage him to do so.
@@Youre_Right whoa dude better watch out ! They don’t take kindly to any other type of criticism if it’s not Brown nosing or correcting them when they’re wrong . I agree he needs to stop STOPPING the videos EVERY SECOND! it’s annoying as hell !
Been diving since the yr 2000...I've learned there is no room for ego. After 23 years of diving...I k ow that I STILL have so much to learn. Even after being a commercial scuba, surface supply and even as a padi instructor...there is still SO much to learn.
I need to say Sam is one of the most generous and humble guys. He doesn’t have fancy things and just enjoys life and helping others. I’m sure at that time he was confident in his skills but as he admitted here in comments, he should have refreshed the emergency procedures and paid more attention to safety.
That’s all. Good comments Gus & Woody👍🏻
I can understand his reaction when the cold water hit his face and gulped water in. That’s a full blown panic attack.
Glad they are safe and people should learn from this and train skills
You make a great point Woody about ego.
I find my years of Freediving a great benefit for my solo scuba diving. But all I get is hate from fellow scuba divers who are just like this guy. They shake their heads at me, call me stupid, but then start asking me how to do such things.
I have a few rules I dive by.
Never dive deeper, by yourself, that your will to go to the surface without air.
Never take risks, even small ones
Also take a back up air source and an alternate 2nd stage. Plus two cutting tools.
Always tell someone where your going and how long you’ll be gone for.
Always, always test your rig before entering the water.
Did I miss anything?
Love your work guys!
17:23 Yeah, with all due respect, it seems like he's reaching for reasons to explain himself instead of just saying, "I panicked."
Woody has a good point about egos, but admitting he panicked could also make other divers hesitate before diving with him again. I'm not saying that's the right reaction, but I understand why some might not want a dive buddy that's prone to panic.
Just my two cents- but the video needs to be viewed with Sam’s comment pinned above. He admits his errors, with great humility. Personally, I’d rather dive with someone that panicked and learned from it, that someone who can’t be honest about such issues. The water is no place for self delusion. That said, I reckon I look pretty hot in my wetsuit… so, maybe a little self delusion is ok.
Stop attacking the guy. Hasn’t he been through enough? Jesus you sound evil
@@fiacmar I wasn't saying that's a good thing. Of course it's best to be honest about those situations. We can learn from them, and the more divers open up about that stuff the easier it will be for others to do the same.
However overlooking that can be easier said than done for a lot of people, and the doubt they feel is understandable.
@@pacolet2994 I feel like you breezed straight past an open opportunity to reinforce my wetsuit self image there. Hurtful.
Also, I dunno if “prone to panic” is fair. Everyone is capable of panic, and it is rarely the start of the error chain.
My one brother is a scuba teacher, and is certified on everything he possibly can be. He's been all over the world diving. He tried SO hard to get me to dive. I told him repeatedly, NO. I'm too afraid of what happened to Sam. I'd be terrified of having an accident, or my regulator suddenly just stop, and there's no air. I have nightmares about it. I'd be happy to just swim on a reef with a snorkel, flippers, and a mask. Some of us are just not made for diving, although I love watching his videos that he makes, in exotic locations! So glad you are safe Sam. I gave your son heck for posting that video of him, alone, swimming in a river, when the current dragged him down to the bottom. Last thing I would want to see is him having an accident and not having a dive buddy with him. Best to you and your family! 🍀
Woody is the best 🤣🤣 I can just imagine Woody picking up Gus to go "Diving" and all of a sudden he pulls out the gold suckers 🤣🤣
Woody ~ "get your dive gear ready I just got us plane tickets to Alaska!" Gus~ "WHAT???"
@@Mr.Potato420 and they offer refunds but woody asked for them not to 🤣🤣
Yes! Exactly as Woody said, you don't know how you're going to react in an emergency until you're in one. You can only hope you'll react calmly and appropriately.
I started laughing when Woody said "Do you see police in a cave?" lol
They are everywhere lol
I once saw an 'arrest' underwater. I was in the Keys, and my buddy and I saw an abandoned lobster trap with a lobster in it. We both agreed to not go near it. Lobster traps can be retrieved by their owners even if detached, and lobster fisherman are VERY serious about their traps.
But along came another couple who started messing with the trap. We watched as a FL Fish and Wildlife officer came up from behind them...then tapped the one diver on the shoulder. He showed him a badge and pointed up. Boom. Underwater violation ticket served.
@@betsybarnicle8016 I was once at a party in the middle of a lake. It was aptly named "Floatstock" and everyone brought rafts and beverages. We were all floating in the middle of the lake and a drunken scuffle broke out on a raft. The police pulled up in a boat.
@@Sketch_Sesh Now THAT'S a party!
@@betsybarnicle8016 🤣
One thing I absolutely love about you guys is how much emphasis you put on safety and training. It makes me really want to learn rec diving. Just to understand better what you guys are talking about.
Safety is everything. Diving is similar to flying. Humans were NOT meant to be there. Even the most simple mistake can be your last. When choosing where to get your certification, consider this comparison: PADI is a for-profit organization that sells products and markets itself. NAUI is a not-for-profit organization that focuses on safety education. Who do you think has YOUR best interests at heart.
The situation itself didn't make him look bad, but the explanation did. :) Great video as always. Can't wait for the drycaving and searching for gold videos hahaha
Thank you for watching but I hope you are sitting down while you wait for those other two videos 😂
My instructor always had us practice all the failure scenarios at the bottom a diving pool at night no lighting at all.
When I took my lessons to get certified, our instructor spent a lot of time on panic situations in the pool and I'm so grateful for that. We spent a lot of time mask clearing, losing regulators, sharing regulators. I know it's not the same as something actually happening but it teaches you to try and stay calm and that you will die from panicking!!!!
Gents, well done to the three of you ( Sam included) for holding this After Action Review into the CESA.
The most effective impact of this review, is understanding what went wrong but more importantly how to react to such a situation. Unlike some of the Keyboard Warriors ( who posts that they wish another diver had died ?? ), you have critiqued the video with a degree of sensitivity, whilst also explaining how to manage such a situation. As you described, panic can throw all of our acquired skills and training out of the window. Its very easy for us to say "remain calm under pressure", but as you alluded to, that clarity of thought when it all goes pear shaped, is an acquired skill in itself . Thank you for sharing your insights.
I think this is a perfect example of how panic can immediately put you in a fight or flight state and make you think irrationally, immediately, regardless of your training. I'm sure if he was expecting it to happen, it would have gone differently and maybe he would have used his alternate air source.
I think it's also worth considering at what point he was in his breathing. Was he inhaling? Exhaling? Did he have enough air to hold? I know that he was breathing out while rising, but how much of that air was something he could actually use in his lungs? Certainly, having your mask flood suddenly and losing your source of air will make you do all kinds of irrational things!
Thanks for another informative video! It's actually kind of reassuring to know how to avoid or deal with such accidents and I think these kinds of "reaction to failure or catastrophe" video are actually a lot more informative and helpful than videos of people just enjoying diving (although, those other videos are equally as entertaining, don't get me wrong!).
I love your humble approach Woody…ego ruins many things. Also, you never judge people unnecessarily, you always give them the benefit of the doubt…even though you’ve been diving for forty odd years. Love it xxx
Thanks! Means a lot because that’s truly how I feel and glad that comes across.
this is a perfect example of why, even as an instructor, you should practice your emergency procedures so it becomes second nature. You never know when an incident is going to happen.
I wonder why he didn`t try to get his spare-regulator. And man, he had his buddy who could help him with his spare-regulator...they seemed like experienced divers.
@@damian_underwater9220 I think it was just panic and the shock of the cold water messing with his mind.
I’m one of the people that sees a new video….presses like straight away before even watching the video….mainly as a marker to show myself that I’ve watched it, plus I already know I’m going to like it! Thanks guys!
The value of a refresher course is impossible to overestimate. Practicing and practicing has an incalculable value and may save your life. In contrast, ego will get you killed in this sport. It was terrible to see such hubris on display. Maybe this video will make him go back to re-watch his own video and he takes away important lessons.
It did.
NOTIFICATION POPS UP …I get so EXCITED!! YOU GUYS ARE SO HUMBLE !! Respect gentleman 🙌🏻🇺🇸✊🏻THANK YOU FOR SHARING ITS SO INFORMATIVE ON WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN when u dive
Thank you!
Great way to start the weekend, with Dive Talk! Love Gus’s face every time he Knows Woody’s going to say something crazy!
I discovered your channel cause I was looking for: Horror movies, then I felt on Mr. Ballen and 1 or 2 days later, I found you guys. Because I was so much feeding myself toward horror stories, I was like ''no way I'm ever going to scuba dive! water is scary man!'' and now, because of you 2 guys, I kinda want to try it sometime in my life (just for fun, no deep dive or cave diving) so I just want to thank you again and keep posting those videos, you just made me discover a new hobby :)
Woody, for people who haven’t seen your other dive talk video, when you say you lost a diver it makes it seem like a diver died, which is thankfully not the case!
Yeah I thought that too maybe “lost the location of“ instead lol
No, nobody died, he lost sight of a diver and found her on the boat
@@Narusasu98 that’s what we’re saying
I used to dive a Ocean Reef full face mask, before i got in to technical diving.
Ocean Reef has their regulators intergrated so they can never come out.
So basicly deu to pressure in the mask it can never flood.
I remember from class that we always bring a sparemask.
Woody will probably know this… the OTS regulator could not have been connected properly. They are very secure to the point they are difficult to remove when properly connected. Because they are positive pressure, they, too, are very difficult to flood. The regulator will flow if the mask loses that pressure. It just seemed to me that he overreacted and should have spent a few seconds to properly insert the reg into the mask.
As a binge watching non-diver... The most valuable lessons I learned during this amazing episode are:
1. Pre-Trip your equipment and seals every single dive.
2. Create equipment failures in a controlled environment.
Please correct me if I'm wrong as I can only speculate:
If a full-face mask's regulator can pop out like that, I think a valuable experience would be the shock factor of removing your regulator while you're under water. It's interesting how poorly I can react to a situation I've never experienced before. Create the uncomfortable situation to find out what it feels like, find out if you need to bail 5ft deep in a pool :P Then practice it again. Muscle memory is key for developing all the skills I've found myself proficient in.
I think it's easy to confuse our expectation with the possibility of reality. Sure, I wouldn't 'expect' my regulator to *ever* separate from my mask, but I'd love to know how I'd react if it ever did~!
"Painters aren't great because at birth they can paint; Painters are great because they paint a lot"
I like how you actually will do some research into the stories you cover. It shows you actually take your channel seriously enough take the time to do some research instead of just throwing videos up to try and make a few dollars. Good luck and no doubt if you keep things going the way you are, you will hit that point where you start growing exponentially!
Hi guys. Another excellent video! Thank you! I’ve never dove full face mask… I’ve only heard about “how risky it is”. And your explanations on the 2 available emergency procedures are very clear and useful. Also, your insights on human natural panic reaction are great… I’ve been there… and as you’ve mentioned, when panic kicks in, there’s a lot more chances you forgot everything and you, all of a sudden, just find yourself acting purely instinctual in fight-flight survival mode. It really needs a lot of practice of emergency drills to over-right the survival instinctual impulse and have useful automatisms kicking in first instead, when panicking. I agree with you on both observations: 1. It looks like the guy was briefly hit by panic when cold water flooded ( great explanation, Woody! ), forgot about the octo, tried to breathe the falling piece ( attempt only ), and then just flew up after failing. All that thinking process he describes seems to be only a post-factual rationalization meant to “save face”. Great observation Gus, that you actually have more time for thinking and deciding… but it’s so dammed hard to do it in such a moment, without practicing it beforehand; 2. He seems to be driven a bit by his ego at the debriefing, instead of admitting the panic. But it also seems he had learned from that situation ( he had emphasized the importance of training ). Great lesson for all of us! Thanks for what you’re doing!
I have never and if I'm honest, probably will never go diving. Regardless, I love your videos. My partner thinks it's strange that I'm so obsessed with your channel lol I just enjoy the knowledge and passion that you both have for diving. Plus I love learning new things. Thank you both for sharing your knowledge with us.
I would love to if I were able. Probably will one day but idk if I'll ever to be able to cave dive and whatnot.
That's Tacoma, WA! So yes, that water is cold as heck even in Summer.
It’s not Tacoma, it’s Mukilteo so you’re close. I did my open water there at even went to the geo dome
DIVE TALK: GOLD RUSH EDITION.
Episode Details: Woody kidnaps his friend Gus by luring him into a van with new diving gear. Gus, a maverick has his suspicions but the appeal is too much to resist. As Gus crawls into the van to grab the dive gear, Woody locks him inside. Gus, angered gives a disapproving Gus look. Woody, gives a wide eyed Woody look in return. Despite Gus's pleas to let him out, Woody drives Gus to a secret abandoned gold filled river 100 miles from the nearest town. Upon arrival Woody let's Gus out and throws the vans keys into the river. Gus waves his phone at Woody and informs him he's calling a cab. Woody takes Gus's phone and throws it in the river. Woody then tosses his own phone in the river. Gus, defeated, gears up and both Woody and Gus dive into the river in search of the van keys. Will they find gold? Will they find the keys? Will Gus drown Woody? Will Woody stop throwing things into the river? Find out next week on...DIVE TALK: GOLD RUSH EDITION.
DEADLIEST CATCH; DIVE TALK EDITION
Mr Silver you should write a book if you haven't already. That was gold.
Or we find out on a video from @mrballen
Will Woody feel the itch again?
@@noelpiriz9977 no because Gus drowned Woody as soon as they found the keys 🤣
Somebody kicked you in the face or whatever?!?! Well damn are we kung fu diving now? 🤣
The use of split fins seems to be a pretty good indicator as to whether or not something is going to go wrong on a dive.
Yet another great video guys! Thank you for all the information I have learned and keep up the great work!
the "oh YEAH" about diving for 12 years also did not sit right with me. agreed woody.
also just because he told the other dude to lead the dive does not mean he switched into solo mode. they still should be working as a team. just roles reversed.
No knock on you sam. happy you are alive
I also can't wait!! I'm stoked and fully on board with all the things coming that Gus doesn't seem to want to do! Love you guys, be safe and have fun!
"I mean it's also not REQUIRED to have 3 lights in a cave. Do you see a policeman in a cave?" 😂😭 Why would anyone argue with what's recommended?!
I like that you guys keep it real and are not afraid of being honest and say it how you see it. No BS. I noticed it first with your reaction to mr ballen videos and now with this one. I hope Sam is able to take it and reflect on this experience, this could save his life next time.
Love the vid once again guys, going back and watching again though he actually does take 9 seconds from failure to CESA trying to find his Occy (maybe his very large crab bag was in the way with his panic?) funny how in the moment it seemed immediate. CESA lasted about 15 seconds at what looked like about twice the recommended ascent rate (1ft/s), basically his terminal velo, about 2ft/s which would put him at about 30ft is my best guess. I put the measurements in moon explorer units for you.
Thank you!
Thanks for moon explorer units, and love that term
Moon explorers 🤣🤣 but yes I think they went up like a rocket
I recognized this dive site as soon as the video started. This is the T-Dock in Mukilteo, WA. Depending on the tide, the geodome where he started the accent is around 50', probably a little less since at the beginning of the video it looked like a low tide based on the exposed pilings.
"I mean.. do you see a police officer at a cave"
lmao
Random, but just letting you know Gus y'all should definitely make a shirt that says "This is bananas!"
Regarding "what the rush is"...
There is a significant difference between running into an air issue at 180feet versus 25feet.
If he spends 15 to 25 seconds trying to sort out his alternate regulator, and IF that is also busted, welp, then he just burned that time for no gain.
The key difference seems to be whether you can get straight to the surface safely or not.
I envision someone practicing in a swimming pool and drowning in 10 feet of water because they sat at the bottom trying to sort out some issue instead of just going up
When I was comparison shopping, the ability to disconnect the regulator from the mask for separate servicing vs completely integrated was one I weighed carefully. Ultimately, I opted for the Ocean Reef, but I can understand why rescue and technical divers would choose OTS for that very reason. I'm very glad I got certified, doffing and donning is a whole new experience with a FFM.
@S M Probably the best apples-to-apples comparison is the Ocean Reef Neptune (integrated and serviceable only by certified technicians) vs the OTS Guardian (detachable so you can service the regulator separately). Neither use zip ties.
I think, whilst there was some 'bravado' ish behind it, he was actually making the same point you were, that even with years of experience and training, you just don't know how you'll react in the moment. Maybe 95% of the time you'd take it in your stride, but sometimes you're just not 'ready for it', your mind is on something else or you're already experiencing task loading and stressors elsewhere, and you panic. I'm waiting on being able to do FFM training with one of my instructors and really looking forwards to it. It's always good to see and experience failure and go in, all eyes open!
Thanks and thanks to the original team as well for sharing their own video.
Whenever I watch “Dive Talk” I am left with questions. Like…who is more insanely charming…Woody or Gus? Who has the best one liners…Woody or Gus? So many questions…so little time. 😉
I love them both but Gus is FUNNY. I was absolutely dying at his "Sanctum" react vid.
❤️ Chaos Divers, AWP and this channel. You guys rock!
Doing the wrong thing in a panic situation is understandable. Putting out a video showing you do the wrong thing, not acknowledging it and saying your training paid off troubles me a bit. If the person took down the video because they realized the message was off then I respect them for it. I am glad you guys pointed out the bcd and drysuits are not elevators and that refresher courses and drills are important.
Read his response that we just pinned. He acknowledged the mistake and was very upstanding about it.
Great topic, thanks for the video.
EGO EGO ALERT :-)))) Ok we all make mistakes, we all had our scary moments and we should just admit when we panic... blasting to the surface without even trying to reach for your octo or looking for your buddy assistance is a major panic reaction. It's not the best situation to be out of air under water but we can deal with it (at least for a while) when we are experienced divers.
In my country (France), because many of our dives include deco, going up when something's wrong is out of the question, simply impossible to even consider. I think it really helps mentaly to know that it's never an option.
Woody, my respect to you. You can do plenty of things and nothing will happen and just because of that it doesn't mean that the extra precautions weren't needed. You need an extra mask in case something like this happens as you need a seat belt in case you crash your car. People is just so arrogant and think that just because something like this hasn't happened to them it would never do. Guys, keep doing what you are doing as I know 99.99% of your viewers are taking note.
Great video guys. Been diving for 6 years now, i have worked as a DM and probably have around 350-400 dives, i dont know everything and i will never know everything, i can only try my best to drill into my head how to react in certain situations. My fear of deep water, my understanding that this is an extreme sport activity and to not take any body of water for granted keeps me from getting complacent and lazy in pre dive checks, going beyond my limits, in continuously checking everyone is okay and in learning safety procedures.
I appreciate what you guys do. Lesson learned type of videos save lives. I'm not a diver but it doesn't matter there's always something that translates to other sports and occupations, such as being prepared, doing checks ect.
I've had a out of air situation early in my diving experience. Decades ago. I was 60 ft down. I made an accent up the anchor line of the boat, at just a hair faster than recommended time. It taught me, that you have time. Also, we use to dive real close by, so getting your mask kicked sideways and flooded routinely. Lots of mask clearing practice. Way back during initial training, the instructor had us swim laps with only the regulator, but no mask, in the pool. You're not going to suck in air thru your nose, and breath just fine, thru the reg.
17:34 you weren't the only one who was struck by that feeling too Woody. I have no experience in diving but it really did feel like a little bit of grandstanding? I think he panicked, is embarrassed because he expects more out of himself because of his decade+ experience and/or didn't want his buddy (with extremely little experience) save him from a mistake he might find to be foolish.
Either way, what's important is that both of them are safe abd healthy.
Hey guys! Great video.
In the beginning when he waves his finger to say no this is because the crab is a female. The flap on the belly of the Dungeness crab is how you can tell. A male has a narrow flap while a female has a wide flap like the one in the video. You can’t keep female Dungeness crab in the Puget Sound. The dive location is called the Mukilteo T-Dock and the dome they are at is 55-70’ deep depending on the side you are on and the tides. Awesome breakdown keep up the hard work.
It didn’t seem like he went for his Octo but he was more than likely having a moment of panic. When that happens, it’s difficult to remember all of your safety training, even for professionals. Even if you don’t normally panic, in underwater situations, panic comes easily when things go wrong. I think it’s a good idea to simulate a situation of panic so people can practice if things go wrong. What you do normally is what you will do when you panic.
I think that even in a semi-panic I would have made a more motivated effort to get one of my other regulators in my mouth. Less appealing to me would have been an emergency ascent. Maaaybe at 30 or less ft. I may have felt it would be easier to surface? idk
Just a note about him reaching for his secondary, it appears he does briefly reach for it, but his movement is partially hidden by his crab bag, and the camera moving off him a couple times.
Morality: don't fuck up with nature and take animals out of their habitat, and you'll find your octopus easily.
I can definitely understand what Gus and Woody are trying to say about these emergency situations. As a martial artist I can understand how you never know how your going to react to certain situations. Sometimes you might not be able to react well enough in stressful situations and follow procedures perfectly.
This is why constant practice is needed to help your mind react without thinking. For instance, there are moves in kenpo karate I have practiced for months on a daily basis, and when my sensei's throw a random attack I can execute a proper defense without thinking. Tho when I dont practice thinking "Oh I practiced that a million times, I dont need to practice it anymore" and I wait days or weeks without practice, it takes my mind a lot longer to react or I cant remember how to protect myself at all. And if that were a real life situation I would have panicked and got hurt.
Thats why practice is needed for your safety wether its for scuba, or any sort of diving, or even martial arts.
I enjoy the fact I can relate martial arts to diving sometimes. Heck, even the term buoyancy was used the other day and I was like "Oh ya I know what buoyancy is! I learned that from dive talk!"
Turns out we use buoyancy to our advantage to make people move where we want them to. For instance, a wrist lock can force someone up on there tip toes.
I was told over and over “you have plenty of time” to make a slow emergency ascent. The air expands in your lungs.
The thing I don't get is the whole 'assuming i'm a solo diver'.
Start the dive as a pair, dive the dive as a pair, end the dive as a pair.
I can only think of a few SUPER hedge cases where a dive plan would involve splitting a buddy pair into two solo divers midway through the thing. I try to stick really firmly to the 'plan the dive and dive the plan' outlook. Alter nothing unless it's unavoidable.
Yeah I wonder if this was staged for the content, in which case they did a great job at diving the plan lol
Anytime I hear about diver's splitting up I actually think about cowpoke Cieroni everytime since I've started watching dive talk. I really enjoy these guys.
@@chriscoker7794 I'm always reminded at one of the multiple choice questions in the SDI open water theory test.
'What do you do if you lose your buddy'
A) Look for 1 minute then head to the surface
B) Continue the dive without them
C)Find a new buddy, and continue with them.
The answer for C has always stuck in my head xD
(paraphrased question wording)
@@Phoxinsocks I'm not a diver but hope that I'll get the opportunity one day. I've just about gotten hooked watching these guys though.
How long have you been diving and how long ago was your certificate test?
@@chriscoker7794 Should deffo get in the water when you can!
It's awesome that Gus and Woody hit the algorithm just right and have been able to get so many non-divers interested.
I did my first dive in the middle east umm, 13-14 years ago now. Only recently got back into the hobby after becoming a little more financially stable. :3
Woody you nailed with the ego comment you are spot on. He never went for his alternative he just bailed.. I love your reaction videos a lot can be learnt from them .
Dive safely lads
Gus, do you have a video talking about your OOA scenario on the trimix course? Would love more details on that.
Woody, do you have a video talking about inability to breath at depth?
Thanks so much for all the videos and the work you two are doing!
Yes I think I talked about that in one of the videos but don’t remember which one…I do remember Woody telling me to “wrap it up” because I was spending a lot of time talking about the details. But people wanna know!
This looks like it was the Geodome at Mukilteo, north of Seattle. In this case the depth was around 55 ft
Can't imagine this happening in a cave. Probably different equipment but wow that would be a nightmare.
Hi woody and gus. I am subscribed and I watch all your videos. I'm a non diver. I'm way too claustrophobic to dive. But I get to live vicariously through you guys. Great job. Love y'all!!! Keep the videos coming. I get really excited when I get the pop up that you've released a new video!!!
Oh yeah, there's an ego issue! I'm a very new subscriber and am STUNNED at the level of judgment and demeaning arrogance about criticizing divers who get in trouble. I truly don't know who they're putting on their show for, total strangers from within their technical community or themselves? Billy Bada$$ always shows up here.
Can't wait for my Dive Talk notification to come over the phone. You guys do a great job. When do we get to hear about Edd Sorenson doing that body recovery in the Dominican Republic? Can't wait for it. Massive respect for Edd!!
October 2021
@@DIVETALK Thanks so much. Can't wait. Love you guys because u always answer questions too.
I'd rather have to much than to little in anything in life, also your channel is one of the most educational fun to watch and interesting on TH-cam. Also LOVE how sciencey you guys get my favorite part.
That mammalian diving reflex messed him up quick
You make a good point of not really knowing how you’re going to act until it happens.
I have had a few incidents, and there is always something to learn. If you make a mistake, then you reflect on that and hopefully don’t repeat it. If you do what you’re trained to do, then you gain confidence in your ability to keep calm and act.
Two episodes:
1: I was a fairly new diver, about 40 dives going for my first cold water night dive.
Get sick and throw up in my reg at about 18 m.
Chunk gets stuck somewhere in the second stage, so a bit of water comes in every time I breathe.
I tell my buddy and thumb the dive, ascend in free water into a shipping lane (not great).
-Lessons:
-I had a secondary which I didn’t think to use. I could have switched to that, and ascended somewhere safer. Lesson learned.
-I kept calm, and even though my solution weren’t optimal, they were safe which made me a more confident diver.
2: Diving in a well known place, at about 20 m, suddenly the front piece of the second stage just… falls off.
I didn’t know that at that moment, I just breathed in and got a mouthful of water.
Had the stupid thought that maybe my lips weren’t sealing properly around the reg (stupid because there was way too much water for that, and no air).
So I purge my reg and get a mixture of air and water. Go to take a breath: mouth full of water again.
This time I remember my lesson from incident 1. I have another regulator. It’s on a necklace around my neck, so even with fumbling I find it quickly.
Now I look at the first reg and see what the problem is. Surprise! No cover, no membrane, no ring!
So I tell my buddies (one was new, the other was taking pictures) that I’m having trouble and we’re turning the dive.
We calmly swim back to shallower water, while I stay really close to one of my buddies in case of a second malfunction.
Calm safety stop. Ascend.
-Lessons:
-Talk with the new diver before your dive on how you expect them to behave in an incident (they were way too far away, and above me, so I had to look around for them, which added a bit of stress).
-Shorten the necklace, for even quicker regulator switch.
Every incident is an opportunity to learn something, and watching other people’s incidents, like on your channel, also gives an opportunity to learn.
Thanks guys!
Awesome comment, thanks for sharing!
Woody: "You all know that hes going to do various things with me. So you all know we are going to do a lot stuff together. You may remember what those things are because I will never forget. We ARE going to do them. Gus is in... See how hes in... Look at him. Can't wait. I'm not going to remind him what those things are. You know, that I know, that you know that we are going to do these together"
Gus: "Yeah..."
Woody: "Can't wait."
I love these two. If I was going to get trained I would want these guys to do it. I also wonder if the guy who panicked, if he was at all competent around water prior to diving, he just shouldn't have reacted like that, there's no reason for it. I've been caught in rips with no diving gear with waves dumping ever few seconds, I was 12 and you just relax, panic is your enemy in water. I would suggest if your at all prone to panic in water it's just best to keep the hell away from it or "unlearn" that panic reflex. Anyway love you guys!!
Mukilteo WA. Pacific Northwest water, near Seattle.
I got my SSI certification when I was 16, now 35. That doesn't mean I have 19 years of experience.
Can you guys share your stories of when you were out of air and how you reacted? Sounds like you guys were calm.
We might…I just wish there was video of it…and of course in both cases it wasn’t really an “out of air” situation exactly, it was an equipment failure (I.E. tank is full but regulator won’t give you air) although the effect is the exact same, no air.
You should have an alternate everything! So with a full face mask, it's not an open circuit? He didn't seem like he trusted his dive partner. Great video. Thanks.
Just to let you know, I’m assuming he’s pointing at the underside of the crab and saying “no” at the beginning because when it’s a female and she has eggs you’re not supposed to take them, you leave them so they can hatch many many more haha
One very positive thing is that they were mature enough to see a sea cucumber and not mess with it. I am sure most of us have seen that video. Lol
Literally no intention of ever diving...I've tried face masks above ground doing confined space training and the anxiety I feel is insane...but these guys are so likeable and informative...I can't wait to meet someone who dives and I can pretend I've done it 100 times with all the knowledge I learned on these videos😂 I think even saying air instead of oxygen counts for alot😂
I should also note that I was bang in the middle of a movie(a good one) saw this pop up and put the movie on pause 😂
very few people dive with full face masks. I've done some very basic training (H2S safety) that involved learning to use SCBAs and I personally found it to be completely different from scuba diving in terms of anxiety and how It feels to do them. go take a discover scuba diving pool session in your area, make your decision on diving or not that way. SCBAs and SCUBA are comparable but not the same experience
LoL you sound like me. I like for people to think that I'm a jack of all trades.
Haven’t scuba dived yet either! But Jonathan’s blue world and dive talk have quickly become apart of my daily life for a while now! They really have a way of making the viewers feel like they know them and it’s always great to click on these videos and hang out for a bit.
@@Martoozle H2S....SCBA....fuck me I've more bullshit terminology to learn 😂😂😂
Anyway, I live in Ireland, the water here is nooooot inviting...nor is the sealife we have here😂
Shit...I think I should say marine life in this scenario?LMAO
@@TheprogresBMX I was thinking it would be cool if they took one of there subs with the same mindset as us,someone with a bit of fear about scuba diving and document over time taking them through the steps to open circuit dive as a starter...maybe afterwards even doing a 30m plus dive with the person..but just as a way of showing that someone who has a fear in the beginning is able to overcome and enjoy diving with the benefit of having good safe instructors like these to get people into it....not relying on companies/trainers who wing it. E.g. the guys who left the austrailan instructor on his own
Cars have a similar connection on some important electrical waterproof connectors and are a pain to take apart.
I sensed EGO from the get go, since the beginning of them talking, way before he mentioned the 12 years....
I have been trained to dive with Aga and OTS full face masks for public safety diving. One of our drills is flood the mask at the bottom of the pool and clear the mask. We also drill on mask removal, after which we swim the perimeter of the pool using our backup 2nd stage, and no mask. I agree that it is best to carry a regular mask when diving with a full face, however it's best to be prepared to make your ascent without any mask in case of failure.
😮 people really dive FFM with no backup, that’s insane.
I love y’all’s Videos and I’ve always wanted to learn scuba diving and at one point was going to go without training… But after watching your videos and being subscribed for a while now i’ve learned that’s a terrible idea and I’m getting my training at my local dive shop thanks guys keep it up!!!
When I saw the thumbnail I thought woody had hair
he is gangsta :)
I can tell these two guys have alot of discipline, ive watched all thier vids. These are the two i would want to be trained by.
Hey, I know this site. It is the T-dock in Washington.
I know you asked about the depth a few times, at the part of the geodome where the accident occured it is between 45-50 ftsw depending on the tide. At the farside of the dome it can be between 55-60 feet, this site is on a fairly steep hill all the way down.
Also around as of last week the temperature was around 54 degrees. And incase anyone is wondering what the pipes at the beggining are for, they used to be seawater collection pipes for the NOAA station that is next door. Sadly the station had to close down this summer due to lack of funding I believe.
at the end of every dive , on a safety stop ,,,, practice something , your near the surface and have three mins to kill , so why waste a training opportunity , I still do it and I have a lot of dives under my belt.
So excited to see how much gold you guys can get! XD
Zero. That was a dumb idea, don’t encourage him 😂
He did you dirty in the thumbnail Woody... Look like Dee Snider waking up after a long weekend. Lol
Great video guys! I really love your breakdowns that actually educate anyone who's watching on the safety of diving. Never a disappointing watch!
Just got back home and sat down to see this upload! Perfect timing :)
Once a channel earns my trust, I click like before the video starts. This channel is very excellent.