The Aviation Herald is writing that the Emergency Services found no nothing and the Aircraft returned 12.5 hours later to service. Thank you very much for picking this incident up!👍
How were you able to get the radio recordings from this?? I have been trying to listen in on Landvetter as I live in Sweden and see the planes every day, but I can never find any radio feed 😢
I was working that day in the airport and got information from the pilot. There was an electical fault causing the fire engine warning to turn on. There was never any mechanical problems or any fire in the engine. Pure electrical failure.
She was telling him to evacate run way even though he said there was a problem ,till he said mayday mayday mayday, she had told him I see smoke from right side ,then said can you confirm its right side. She even said you may evacuate. TO the atc controller I know you're trying yo hrlp but the crew whose been flying the plane know better what situation is at thst time, you can only see from a distance ,a fire burning undetected thet maybe hasent set off alarms, as there on ground csn quickly get out of hand, her job was to hrlp pilot as much as posdible, get engines there and ambulances, eith them using chutes, and airport officials , I know your in charge of active runways hut crew bedtbprople to deal eith whatever is occuring
Even though I have an RAF pilot’s past, can I pass as one such person since I am no longer able to fly due to becoming disabled. (Is it still called “disabled” these days or am I now “ability challenged” having moved from the Royal Air Force to the Wheelchair Force?) On a slightly more serious note, I think it’s real great that there are folks like you who take an interest in the aviation world and I’m glad that we get to share these snippets of radio chatter between flights and ATC. I’m really happy to know there are such people like yourself out there.
Love it. Non aviator but Im always impressed by the skills, professionalism and clarity of communication all under pressure. These folks are all real pros. Kudos to them.
Love the cacophony of accents. A Swedish tower, a French Ryanair😅 captain, a Lufthansa, a Norwegian and a KLM. And yet somehow they all sound clearer than most american crews on any given day.
Indeed, exactly!😃👍 - But probably exactly therefore: Nobody is assuming here that the other one on the Radio is an English Native Speaker and all Participants are knowing that they´re speaking very different Native Languages and need to find a way to understand each other.
I beg to differ to a certain point. The mastery of English both by the pilot and ATC was shaky at best. Hard to understand and causing delays in intervention.
@@Walmarts1- spelling out MAXIV isn’t a demonstration of poor English language, if that’s what you’re pointing out. The pilot needs to type it into the FMC, and if they type MAXEV, and go direct to, then they’ll be off to Dublin.
@@EdOeuna Indeed, exactly. And the English both by the pilot and ATC was far away from being shaky, maybe for an English Native Speaker who has few experience with Non-English Accents.
In situations like that it doesn’t matter how many runways there are, pilot reports stopping you just say roger and informed them to advise when able if they need assistance.
@@davidkavanagh189That doesn't really matter in that case tho, if the fire brigade is busy/not available for any other aircraft, nobody will land or take off.
A note: The reason as to why we do not hear the fire crew is because the airport operations uses a digital radio system (amazingly good because it has voice codec!) that is based on TETRA. Here is a nice example of what that does to the clarity of speech: th-cam.com/video/fs5iUoXDuVI/w-d-xo.html In Sweden all fire brigades, ambulances, police and such uses TETRA in a system we call RAKEL The ambulance can even open the hospital garage doors with it.
Fancy digital systems are all well and good but you still need an old fashioned VHF radio to speak directly with the aircraft. It's too inefficient and error prone to use ATC as an intermediary.
@@johnopalko5223The nice part with digital is that you can combine it so you can relay analog from it. So no need for two radios. You can connect the units needed without disturbing other operations and you can have lets say one person relaying to from analog.
LOL! Bullshit marketing for people who don't understand how noise cancellation works. I used to do military comms, and I've flown with good quality noise cancelling headsets. Digital has nothing to do with it. The headsets we developed, and bought in, for BOWMAN were so good that we had to add back side-tone so that people could hear that they were speaking. We then digitized the analog signal and passed that on a digital network, but that had nothing to do with the noise cancellation. That was all about high quality electret mikes and phase inverted noise signals added to the speakers. We stood between the exhausts of a Challenger tank one day and were talking about where we were going to take it, while it was warming up. The only way we knew it was running was that we could feel it in our chest and through the ground. Even back in 1983 when I was flying on XX105 the military headsets were so good that we couldn't even hear wind noise over the cockpit, take them off and there was 400Hz noise from the experimental electronics and you could hear the engines and wind noise. With the headsets on you were in silence. Digital transmission is better, but that has been in cell phones since the 90s. Spread spectrum is better again. Nothing to do with having a CODEC. Every digital voice system has "a CODEC", it just means Coder-Decoder. Having an instant mixer is also a nice trick. Look up A-law and Mu-law companding and you'll see that digital CODECs have been in telephony since at least the 70s. Part of the problem with land lines is that they are still trying to compress calls into a few kbps when there hasn't been a need to conserve audio bandwidth in the last 20 years. In the 1990s, for the military, we had 64kbps for every voice channel. Whether it was over the Combat Net Radios or over the fiber Local Area SubSystem the voice channels sounded like you were right next to the caller in an empty and silent room.
Does that mean that the airport ops vehicles can't directly communicate with the aircraft? If not, then ATC radios should still have been able to pick up on the analog component of the radio transmission unless it was an incredibly weak signal being transmitted in the first place, right? I have some knowledge of how radios work, I do know that a normal analog radio can't understand digital data based voice radios, but for the aircraft to hear the firefighting vehicle's radios without needing the tower to act as an intermediary would require them to also simultaneously transmit VHF analog voice radio on a frequency the aircraft is capable of tuning to. Point is, sure this digital radio stuff might make your voice sound better for NORMAL (non airport) firefighting operations, but it's useless in AIRPORT firefighting operations because the aircraft that might have an issue won't be able to communicate with the firefighting vehicle using that digital radio system since it lacks the proper equipment.
Only small thing I would change is when you have fire indications then stay on the runway don't let yourself get pushed by tower to vacate quick. Now you are stuck on a smaller taxiway where the firetrucks might not get around the aircraft.
@@maki19942207 NOBODY wants to drive off paved surfaces, because then you have to clean FOD from the treads. I mean actually doing it, and some of those trucks have 8 wheels, and pebbels and mud get stuck in them, and will take a while. I agree, PIC should have been a bit more decisive. But I wasnt there, and not sure of the totality of circumstances. At least he didnt push the AC onto the taxiway completely and said thats it. We stop here and evac.
@@RipRoaringGarageI highly doubt the reason that any fire truck would not drive off a taxiway or paved surface is for cleaning. If they’ll have to spend a few hours to clean the truck at the cost of saving hundreds of lives, you best believe they’ll take the ‘sacrifice’
@@Walmarts1 Were not talking about a fire, or crash where the runway will be closed for days. But this is beaten into us daily. Keychains for every vehicle have FOD tools for treads. Youre supposed to stop when entering the apron, check all the tires, then roll up and check the hidden spot. Its a big thing, so when you have a plane with no signs of smoke, training kicks in like instinct. Dont drive off paved surfaces. Even when there is a crash, think of the last time you saw anything on grass. Not since the 80s. Its a habit and it takes something truly horrible to make you say screw it, the runway is trashed anyway, so FOD is the least of the worries. I thikn it was after the Concorde crash that FOD has been really stressed, and nobdoy wants to be that guy that tracks a bolt, or a peddle that takes out an engine or tire.
As soon as any aircraft says 'stopping', that aircraft has the land title to the rwy! They own it now 😅. I hope in this case with the pressure they were under to vacate, the capt didn't decide to put the fuselage downwind of the fire!
This seems to be a very well handled response to an engine fire detection on landing. It’s a busy time for the pilots, hence some of the missed calls from the tower. I’d certainly not be evacuating an aircraft without speaking to the cabin crew and fire brigade / tower after running the memory items. Even opening the flight deck window and leaning out to get a look at the engine is a good tool, depending on the quality of information coming in from outside sources. It is definitely not just a case of setting the park brake and then launching straight into an aviation.
This was not a very well handled response by the controller. Pilot is saying we have fire on board and she's tell him to vacate the runway. Even AFTER the MAYDAY call, she's tell him to vacate if "he'd like." No awareness of the issue, no urgency.
@@jrod_pilot_miami She clearly wanted to get the Aircraft off the Runway - Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway - if the Runway is occupied by a crippled Aircraft the Airport is shutted down.
@@NicolaW72well better shut down than others witnessing a situation if it turned horrible,e plus traffic could land elsewhere small aitport ATC had thrir hands full with that incident, I'd say yo all atc back in 1987 ish we had a plane disaster in uk , on the runway snd a number of prople killed it was at manchester
Maybe I missed something but there seemed to be a lot of confusion regarding origin of fire and engine shutdown status. Did this delay the fire crews approach to the aircraft?
Im pretty sure, that when ATC hears the word fire, she calls the fire brigade. Otherwise, the moment the ac calls mayday, she presses the big red button for sure.
@@unbekannt4637 Yeah that’s basically what I meant, and what i would have expected. I sit on the other side of the conversation, and i would have informed ATC of the exact indications that was illuminating, but its easy to sit behind a keyboard and say what should have been done. It’s different when you are actually in the situation and have to try and analyse what the hell is actually going on. Like Sully said, there is also a human factor involved. In what country is your airport located if i can ask?
@@daveluttinen2547 that's what I thought. I just wasn't sure how long the delay might have been. Obviously the crews first concern is everyone's safety so I assumed the plan would be immediate shutdown of all engines and evacuations begin
You have very good reason. A whole aircraft full of people died from just the fumes one time because the stinking captain didn't stop and get everyone out ASAP. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163
@@cageordie Have you seen the CVR transcriptions? The whole situation was completely absurd, I can't believe the crew would be allowed to pilot any aircraft with the skills they showed on that accident.
There was an incident yesterday June 02 at Ksmf with Jetblue maybe you can do a video about it. Takeoff was cancel because of something on RWY. Result Flat tires and a flight delayed
Aviation Herald states that they didn't evacuate and the plane was flying again 12 hours later. Even Ryanair Mechanics aren't that fast if slides are deployed ;D Listening to the pilots i think they just thought about evacuating
The Aviation Herald stated that the Emergency Services found no nothing, that the Aircraft taxied 20 minutes later to the Apron and that it returned 12.5 hours later to service. So probably a minor issue or a false indication. But this is the actual Radio Communication which happened during the event, not a later Report.
If I look at the flight on flightradar. It shows that they landed (and evacuated) on the 2th of July at 11 am. Then the next flight was the same day at 23:45 local time to London after which it resumed normal operations. Is that even possible? First of all, all the slides need to be replaced and also they need to look at what caused the errors in the first place. Anyone who can answer that?
Tower: "is it an engine fire or an ordinary Ryanair landing and just the wheels are on fire?" Ryanair: "tell them it was an engine fire... I'm on my fourth set of tyres this week and it's only Tuesday morning" 😂
@@franharwood3439 Be impressed. Scandinavian ATC is some of the best in the world. The American hyper ATC talking might sound impressive but it's rarely needed and often cause problems and confusion.
Landed a C-130 with #4 already shut down (oil leak/overtemp) and #3 spitting sparks on landing and still managed to clear the runway to the taxiway. I'm not going to second guess the pilot as being hesitant and overly cautious but ... he could have cleared the runway in less than 10 seconds, instead of closing the airport.
I appreciate how professional everyone is being, but I feel like the beginning of this interaction is very weird (from MAYDAY call). When the pilot calls MAYDAY shouldn't tower acknowledge the emergency call immediately (of course after telling next incoming to go around)? And inform trucks are rolling? And giving a frequency / instructions for communicating with the fire trucks (or informing that they will be on frequency)?
Pretty sure she went: press red button -> instruct go-around. A second frequency would not be neccessary at such a small airport, especially after the DLH was sent to APP
They shut off the right engine pretty immediately. They had not shut off the left engine, because doing so would render the aircraft immobile for quite a while, as the engines usually need to cool down before being restarted. And they had not received report of fire from the left side.
They appear to have detected a fire in the right engine, so they shut down the right engine as part of their memory items / non-normal checklist. No doubt they’ll start the APU and then shut down the other engine too.
from FR24 data - aircraft stopped on taxiway at 9:05 ... and started moving again (to their stand) at 9:28 this does NOT sound like an evacuation - despite what ATC told other pilots
What time did this happen? Video doesn't show arrival time... Might have something to do with the quality of info coming if it was starting to get dark.
@@SeanGTMThere´re simply a couple of European Countries where it is strictly forbidden to publish Radio Communication between Pilots and ATC. E.G. in Germany it is a Crime, called "Violation of the Data Protection Law". And if you have Bad Luck the Attorneyship will make a "Dangerous Impact on Air Traffic" out of it. You can be prosecuted and sentenced to Jail if you do so. Therefore you will never see any publication of any radio communication between Pilots and ATC in Germany on this channel or any similar ones. That doesn´t mean that nothing happens in the German Airspace or at German Airports. There´re a few Countries in Europe with more liberal regulations in this regard: the Netherlands, Portugal, Ireland, Hungary, Poland, Serbia and Sweden. So it´s no coincidence that Events from Europe, which are covered here, are coming usually from one of these Countries.
@@SeanGTM Not necessarily. Some countries in Europe take a more paternalistic view of their citizens and recording ATC traffic is a crime there. In others, English is not the native language so there isn't nearly as much interest in English ATC recordings.
Parking space for aeroplanes, usually one not directly attached to a terminal, and therefore requiring air stairs and a bus to get people to and from the terminal. So Tower is saying to go to parking space 21, using the route taxiway Y, taxiway K.
@@rupertboyce-bown6650 Thanks so much for this thorough and clear explanation! I'm not a pilot, but I have never heard it on this channel before. Your explanation makes it really clear.
Should just let Fire talk to Aircraft direct, Lots of time and understanding last in the comms between tower and aircraft. The people with the best view I.e Fire Service didn't even speak on freq, or have aa freq to change to.
Yer, thats not good, Instead large airports would send a pilot to a dedicated fire freq and allow them to talk directly to the fire service who then can answer questions directly and report things directly. At small airfields, fire service would be on the twr freq and talk directly, This cuts out ATC who can listen and interject, By the time the fire service is there all important questions to answer should be on the fire freq ATC becomes a little redundant at that important stage in terms of relaying info. Because they can't offer anything and not in the best position to help. By the end of the video they pilot still wasn't fully aware of the status of the outside of the aircraft, It works very well across the world. So there's plenty more to do, vacated or not, In this case it hadn't vacated. The TETRA system is more likely just going to be between ATC and the fire service at best. They need to polish up there response and comms.
Virtually all UK airports have the same dedicated frequency for talking to the Airport Fire Service. It drives me mad that AMS, where I operate, refuses to even consider implementing this, even after incidents where the inability to communicate directly with the Fire Service was an issue.
@@AirspotterUKThis is not the UK. Here the Fire Brigade was there in just a few seconds. What you are talking about could very well have been set up. But inside the time frame here they probably relayed info via Tower. Time is crucial and the procedures you are talking about are time consuming and takes time from both pilots and Fire Brigade doing their jobs. Here the pilots got the answers they needed from Tower ultra fast. I doubt any Airport in the UK could have done it faster because they could have been stuck in frequency changes and communication misunderstandongs instead.
@@AirspotterUKIts the result that counts. You are stuck in procedures thinking. On contrary to what you are saying the pilots got all the information they need. And most Important they did NOT need to change frequency. The Tower had contact with the Fire brigade and could relay information as you very well heard.
Question: Does the pilot need the ATC to give approval to evacuate their plane? I would think it's a pilot driven decision. However, she seemed to be the one in charge, and he went with it. He seemed to let her dictate how things would go?? Just an observation.
When the pilot said there was a fire onboard, I had assumed it was inside the aircraft - either inside the overhead racks, in an equipment bay, or in the cargo hold. By the time he said it was an engine, several minutes had gone by. I get it that the pilot wants to have everyone safe and have them evacuate away from the fire, but he left the engine running on the non-fire side. That ambiguity, just to me, seems hazardous.
Airliner engines have fire suppression systems built in. They're not supposed to just turn off the engines, that'd be likely to lose the entire aircraft and put more people in danger. There's a checklist that they need to work through. Mentor pilot has at least 1 video talking about this stuff.
@@nolanwhite1971wrong.. the pilots can shut engines down if they deem necessary.. there’s no checklist required to shut an engine n the ground. Plus the fire suppression systems are NOT automatic. The pilots have to activate them. Please don’t make comments on things that you don’t know.
Why did it take so long for ATC to call/confirm emergency services? Also, surprised at the Lufthansa blocking the radio with questions about the frequency. There's a mayday, just go-ahead as instructed and clear the radio.
Let's assume the DLH had not confirmed the frequency and switched to a wrong one. They'd have to come back a few min later to ask about it again. Also, ATC most likely pressed the big red button; either at the word "fire" or latest at "MAYDAY"
@@lyaneris DLH had clearly not understood to which waypoint they should move and questioned therefore. They were not on a wrong frequency, but maybe haven´t briefed MAXIV
Pilot never says we're evacuating. The Aviation Herald says: "...emergency services checked the aircraft and found no trace of unintended fire, heat or smoke. About 20 minutes after landing the aircraft vacated the runway and taxied to the apron."
Here in the U.S Ryanair (along with a couple of other airlines) is often comedic fodder for late night talk shows. The crew, ATC, and emergency crews handled that situation really well.
The irony that a professional airline like Ryanair is comedic fodder in the US, while the US on an almost daily basis has runway incursions, aircraft departing from close runways, and a national aircraft manufacturer in crisis mode. 😂
Ryanair for its size and about 3000 flights per day has one of the world's best safety records to put out so I don't get the jokes. They are known for having very strict (and many many) SOPs even going further than Boeing's SOPs
@@PN_48not irony, just math. The U.S. has more aircraft operating at any time than any other country. The fact that Ryanair is fodder is Ryanair’s fault.
@@SeligTilesI’m an ATC at a big center in Europe. I have yet to find one unprofessional Ryanair pilot, whereas I can guarantee you that we take the piss amongst us about almost every single American pilot that comes on our frequency, as they struggle to sometimes even readback points that we spell out for them, and they spell them back wrong. We have to adjust our rate of speech the same way we do with Chinese pilots just cause it seems like they don’t have a clue about what’s going on.
Don’t like the choice to evacuate. These planes are designed to deal with engine and brake fires. Evacuations should only be for smoke in the cabin. People get hurt in evacuations
So the preamble says they previously indicated a fire in both engines and the APU? First off, that makes no sense. As far as what I hear on tower, communication was very poor. The 737-800 only has so many possible fire indications. L/R engine, APU, wheel well, and forward/aft cargo, as well as lavatories and people's eyes. They never stated what their indication was, or where to have the fire crew start looking. Also, if you have time to clear the runway, you have time to taxi far enough to actually clear the runway. Or you stop ON the runway. But again, they appeared very confused by the situation and couldn't clearly state what they needed or wanted. As for tower asking if they can clear the runway, with vague communication from the flight crew, they are trying to prevent further issues and emergencies resulting from having that runway closed.
Hmm. French Ryanair cockpit crew sounded very anxious and had difficulty understanding clear English. Calling a Mayday when you are stopped on the ground was perhaps a bit premature.
Terrible spot to stop. We are taught to stay on runway if on fire. Easier for emergency vehicles to get around A/C. Furthermore, he put fire upwind, thereby smoke and fire would blow back towards A/C. That being said, pilots probably didn’t know what was going on and stopped right where they did after getting first indications of a fire. Rock and a hard place.
After mayday, ATC should stop asking them move. That airport and runway is Ryanairs after the MAYDAY. ATC should await their instructions on what to do. Asking them to vacate is distracting them from from checklists. Most pilots will agree that ATC can GTFO when it comes to an emergency and ATC's concerns about the backlog it'll cause them. ATCs job is to move heaven and earth for emergency aircraft to let them get on with doing whatever is needed to keep the aircraft and PAX safe. Still, these pilots didn't help themselves and could've been more efficient but we aren't there so we cannot judge exactly what was going on.
@@VASAviation I hope that’s the case and you’re probably right. ATC are usually on it and often responsible for playing the part in the saving of many lives in how they react so well.
@@VASAviation No, definetely not. Her first priority was clearly to get the Aircraft off the Runway. Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway, so it is understandable why. But nevertheless.
@@kevingraham3161x where was the confusion? The pilots would be busy doing stuff and the tower would have to show some patience in getting through to them. Part of the scenario for something like an engine fire would be to collect information from outside sources, so speak to the cabin crew (what can they see?), speak to ATC (what can they see?), and then make an informed decision to evacuate. It is perfectly conceivable to not evacuate and have the fire brigade douse the fire(s). This might be the safer option.
@@EdOeuna And i can promise you that at the same second the plane said "fire", the big red button was pushed and within maximum of 30 seconds the fire crew was in the trucks rolling out the doors. A LOT happens that we never hear.
Unfortunately there is a lot less coverage in Europe; these recordings are from enthusiasts who live near airports with their own equipment who provide a live feed to liveatc. In countries where English is not the native language, there will be a lot less interest in English language ATC recordings. Also, it is illegal to do this in some places. Some countries, most notably the UK, prohibit recording ATC frequencies.
Absolute carnage. Ryanscare done exactly what they SHOULDNT of. To turn abeam the wind with possible engine fire. There was an air crash program about this turning abeam the wind made the fire engulf the cabin at rapid pace rather than flames being kept behind the wings. Awful comms from Ryanair as well. Poor show
"Thank you for flying RyanAir. Please have your credit cards ready as you evacuate to pay the Early Deplaning & Bus To The Terminal Fees and we hope you enjoyed your flight."
When you have a possible fire, that gets ALL of your attention. Vacate if convenient or logical for another reason. Otherwise stop on the runway and evacuate. Another reason for not wanting to vacate is it might cause the fire to be blown towards the cabin by the change in relative wind direction after turning. Look up 1985 Manchester Airport Disaster. It may also be the airline SOP to stop on the runway.
She should have clarified the problem. No commercial aircraft stops on the runway for fun. Poor ATC in my opinion. An aircraft fire should always take absolute priority from all involved. They go from nought to deadly in minutes.... Yes they didn't say that at first but she should have enquired.
I hope it's not just me who would NOT be able to make out what these pilots are saying without the subtitles. I really don't know how the traffic controllers can make out what they're saying past all of this static.
Very poor communication from both ATC and pilot. I dont know if that was stress or just language barier ? Normally communications in these situations are swift and clear, so both sides know what they are doing.
By VACATE she 100% meant EVACUATE. Little mix-up of words that have a very similar meaning in an standard english dictionary. Also, from the tower she was able to see that the plane was already on taxiway DELTA while she was looking for smoke.
No, she wanted to get the Aircraft off the Runway. Understandable when you know that Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway, but nevertheless.
This was not a very well handled response by the controller. Pilot is saying we have fire on board and she's tell him to vacate the runway. Even AFTER the MAYDAY call, she's tell him to vacate if "he'd like." No awareness of the issue, no urgency.
She was clearly very concerned that the Aircraft would block the Runway and wanted him to get away from it. This was clearly her first priority. For understanding it should be added that Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway, so a crippled Aircraft on the Runway would shut down the whole Airport.
@@NicolaW72 so what? When a controller hears “fire on board” from any aircraft they are controlling, providing them assistance is the priority. Clearing the runway so another aircraft can land should be her last concern. Smartly, she told the incoming aircraft to go-around. That’s her second priority. She can request her colleagues assistance to divert other aircraft on final. But once an aircraft under their control has declared and emergency, that aircraft is almost exclusively their responsibility to coordinate in providing assistance. But then even after declaring an emergency, she yet again insists the pilot vacate the runway diverting their attention from the real emergency.
Where do they get these pilots from? Vacate the runway ok , fire mayday mayday mayday, stay on the runway, do nothing , ask for smoke update 5 times stay on the runway , evacuate , don’t evacuate wait some more and finally evacuate
Well it's one of the biggest and safest airlines in the world so presumably they get their pilots from excellent training institutions... Look up a thing called 'startle factor'. It can make even the most talented and disciplined pilot stumble for a few seconds.
Who am i to judge but that crew seemed to be lost and all over the place their communication was abismal! ATC gently reminded them again and again to evacuate until they finally got round to it.
Tower was asking them to vacate the runway, not to evacuate. They didn't want what happened, which was to shut the runway down. Essentially: Ryanair: Help, I'm on Fire TWR: That's nice, can you get off the runway?
Well, its not ATCs call is it? If the indications given to you doesn’t make any sense, then you wanna try to establish what is going on. If its true that they had indications of fire in both engines and in the apu, it would probably mean that you are not actually on fire, but there is a fault in a system somewhere. And since 10 percent of passengers get injuries during an evacuation, they were in the right to establish as much info as they possibly could before initiating the evacuation.
@mipmipmipmipmip At the time that the tower was telling them to vacate the runway, the Ryanair crew hadn't indicated that they had a fire. They just said "we have a problem", to which the controller told them to vacate via Delta. Once they said they had a fire, ATC immediately told incoming aircraft to go around and cleared Ryanair to evacuate. Asking them to vacate was exactly appropriate based on that initial call before the severity of the problem was made clear
The pilots were in data collection mode and then running memory items / checklists. It is perfectly normal to miss or delay communication during such an event, or use communication to gain a better understanding of what is visible from the outside. It would be perfectly conceivable to be asking the cabin crew what they can see, as I assume you can’t see the engines from the flight deck, and the 737 is too small for a GMCS.
With the litany of questions I expected the ATC to ask the pilot to pick up a firehose and put the fire out! Good grief, let the guy evacuate his plane!!
@@ss-xy2im The wording from the controller left a lot to be desired. "You can vacate" is more like an instruction to get off the runway than a green light to evacuate. That's bound to confuse the pilot.
@@Bisonrulz16 I understand that, but being under the impression you've just been told to vacate a runway right after announcing your plane is on fire... Well, it's not exactly what you want (or expect) to hear.
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Thanks for the report!
Following this incident as more information releases. For now, not much on the internet. Source of fire is still unknown.
I'm not surprised that there's not much information on the Internet for something on a date that's still a year in the future.
The Aviation Herald is writing that the Emergency Services found no nothing and the Aircraft returned 12.5 hours later to service.
Thank you very much for picking this incident up!👍
How were you able to get the radio recordings from this?? I have been trying to listen in on Landvetter as I live in Sweden and see the planes every day, but I can never find any radio feed 😢
I was working that day in the airport and got information from the pilot. There was an electical fault causing the fire engine warning to turn on. There was never any mechanical problems or any fire in the engine. Pure electrical failure.
@@smoothflying Thank you very much for this additional information. I thought something like that.
PILOT: “we have fire on board”
ATC: “ok but would u like to burn on delta please, just cleaned the runway yesterday “
Something like that, yes.
sounds about. Keep going while your aircraft on fire....
To be fair I was more annoyed with how poor of a communicator the pilot was.
@RomatifaRoma you win the internet sir
but the pilot needed to move a couple of feet forward to keep the runway open.
Some say ATC is still asking them to vacate onto delta
Others say that they already evacuated the runway many hours ago
"8AR, if you evacuate the aircraft could you ask the passengers to push the smoldering hulk onto delta..."
She was telling him to evacate run way even though he said there was a problem ,till he said mayday mayday mayday, she had told him I see smoke from right side ,then said can you confirm its right side.
She even said you may evacuate.
TO the atc controller I know you're trying yo hrlp but the crew whose been flying the plane know better what situation is at thst time, you can only see from a distance ,a fire burning undetected thet maybe hasent set off alarms, as there on ground csn quickly get out of hand, her job was to hrlp pilot as much as posdible, get engines there and ambulances, eith them using chutes, and airport officials ,
I know your in charge of active runways hut crew bedtbprople to deal eith whatever is occuring
@@bunglejoy3645 The pilot was asking ATC what she saw
If you have nothing to do with aviation, but you watch these and read the comments because they're interesting, you are my kind of people.
Even though I have an RAF pilot’s past, can I pass as one such person since I am no longer able to fly due to becoming disabled. (Is it still called “disabled” these days or am I now “ability challenged” having moved from the Royal Air Force to the Wheelchair Force?)
On a slightly more serious note, I think it’s real great that there are folks like you who take an interest in the aviation world and I’m glad that we get to share these snippets of radio chatter between flights and ATC. I’m really happy to know there are such people like yourself out there.
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Love it. Non aviator but Im always impressed by the skills, professionalism and clarity of communication all under pressure. These folks are all real pros. Kudos to them.
I am your kind of people. Too bad you’re not a woman !
@@thegreyarea-WPPthanks for your service mate
Love the cacophony of accents. A Swedish tower, a French Ryanair😅 captain, a Lufthansa, a Norwegian and a KLM. And yet somehow they all sound clearer than most american crews on any given day.
Indeed, exactly!😃👍 - But probably exactly therefore: Nobody is assuming here that the other one on the Radio is an English Native Speaker and all Participants are knowing that they´re speaking very different Native Languages and need to find a way to understand each other.
I beg to differ to a certain point. The mastery of English both by the pilot and ATC was shaky at best. Hard to understand and causing delays in intervention.
@@MrPomelo555I agree with you. 5:08 is a perfect example
@@Walmarts1- spelling out MAXIV isn’t a demonstration of poor English language, if that’s what you’re pointing out. The pilot needs to type it into the FMC, and if they type MAXEV, and go direct to, then they’ll be off to Dublin.
@@EdOeuna Indeed, exactly. And the English both by the pilot and ATC was far away from being shaky, maybe for an English Native Speaker who has few experience with Non-English Accents.
KLM87R is proceeding to Mach 7 and holding as published. What a show that's going to be.
3:04 hahahha
Man, the tower REALLY wanted them off the runway. 😂
Only one runway so airport closure would be necessary
Landvetter is tiny so there's only one runway and it's a little tricky to divert.
In situations like that it doesn’t matter how many runways there are, pilot reports stopping you just say roger and informed them to advise when able if they need assistance.
Hole in a taxi way from a fire is a lot easier to repair then a fire hole in the middle of a runway
@@davidkavanagh189That doesn't really matter in that case tho, if the fire brigade is busy/not available for any other aircraft, nobody will land or take off.
A note:
The reason as to why we do not hear the fire crew is because the airport operations uses a digital radio system (amazingly good because it has voice codec!) that is based on TETRA.
Here is a nice example of what that does to the clarity of speech:
th-cam.com/video/fs5iUoXDuVI/w-d-xo.html
In Sweden all fire brigades, ambulances, police and such uses TETRA in a system we call RAKEL The ambulance can even open the hospital garage doors with it.
This demonstration is hilarious and awesome :D Must love scandinavian humour.
Fancy digital systems are all well and good but you still need an old fashioned VHF radio to speak directly with the aircraft. It's too inefficient and error prone to use ATC as an intermediary.
@@johnopalko5223The nice part with digital is that you can combine it so you can relay analog from it. So no need for two radios. You can connect the units needed without disturbing other operations and you can have lets say one person relaying to from analog.
LOL! Bullshit marketing for people who don't understand how noise cancellation works. I used to do military comms, and I've flown with good quality noise cancelling headsets. Digital has nothing to do with it. The headsets we developed, and bought in, for BOWMAN were so good that we had to add back side-tone so that people could hear that they were speaking. We then digitized the analog signal and passed that on a digital network, but that had nothing to do with the noise cancellation. That was all about high quality electret mikes and phase inverted noise signals added to the speakers. We stood between the exhausts of a Challenger tank one day and were talking about where we were going to take it, while it was warming up. The only way we knew it was running was that we could feel it in our chest and through the ground. Even back in 1983 when I was flying on XX105 the military headsets were so good that we couldn't even hear wind noise over the cockpit, take them off and there was 400Hz noise from the experimental electronics and you could hear the engines and wind noise. With the headsets on you were in silence. Digital transmission is better, but that has been in cell phones since the 90s. Spread spectrum is better again. Nothing to do with having a CODEC. Every digital voice system has "a CODEC", it just means Coder-Decoder. Having an instant mixer is also a nice trick. Look up A-law and Mu-law companding and you'll see that digital CODECs have been in telephony since at least the 70s. Part of the problem with land lines is that they are still trying to compress calls into a few kbps when there hasn't been a need to conserve audio bandwidth in the last 20 years. In the 1990s, for the military, we had 64kbps for every voice channel. Whether it was over the Combat Net Radios or over the fiber Local Area SubSystem the voice channels sounded like you were right next to the caller in an empty and silent room.
Does that mean that the airport ops vehicles can't directly communicate with the aircraft? If not, then ATC radios should still have been able to pick up on the analog component of the radio transmission unless it was an incredibly weak signal being transmitted in the first place, right?
I have some knowledge of how radios work, I do know that a normal analog radio can't understand digital data based voice radios, but for the aircraft to hear the firefighting vehicle's radios without needing the tower to act as an intermediary would require them to also simultaneously transmit VHF analog voice radio on a frequency the aircraft is capable of tuning to.
Point is, sure this digital radio stuff might make your voice sound better for NORMAL (non airport) firefighting operations, but it's useless in AIRPORT firefighting operations because the aircraft that might have an issue won't be able to communicate with the firefighting vehicle using that digital radio system since it lacks the proper equipment.
Only small thing I would change is when you have fire indications then stay on the runway don't let yourself get pushed by tower to vacate quick. Now you are stuck on a smaller taxiway where the firetrucks might not get around the aircraft.
have you seen those giant wheels on most firefighting trucks? They can easily go off TWY onto the grass.
No, they really can’t.
@@maki19942207 NOBODY wants to drive off paved surfaces, because then you have to clean FOD from the treads. I mean actually doing it, and some of those trucks have 8 wheels, and pebbels and mud get stuck in them, and will take a while.
I agree, PIC should have been a bit more decisive. But I wasnt there, and not sure of the totality of circumstances. At least he didnt push the AC onto the taxiway completely and said thats it. We stop here and evac.
@@RipRoaringGarageI highly doubt the reason that any fire truck would not drive off a taxiway or paved surface is for cleaning. If they’ll have to spend a few hours to clean the truck at the cost of saving hundreds of lives, you best believe they’ll take the ‘sacrifice’
@@Walmarts1 Were not talking about a fire, or crash where the runway will be closed for days.
But this is beaten into us daily. Keychains for every vehicle have FOD tools for treads. Youre supposed to stop when entering the apron, check all the tires, then roll up and check the hidden spot.
Its a big thing, so when you have a plane with no signs of smoke, training kicks in like instinct. Dont drive off paved surfaces. Even when there is a crash, think of the last time you saw anything on grass. Not since the 80s. Its a habit and it takes something truly horrible to make you say screw it, the runway is trashed anyway, so FOD is the least of the worries.
I thikn it was after the Concorde crash that FOD has been really stressed, and nobdoy wants to be that guy that tracks a bolt, or a peddle that takes out an engine or tire.
As soon as any aircraft says 'stopping', that aircraft has the land title to the rwy! They own it now 😅. I hope in this case with the pressure they were under to vacate, the capt didn't decide to put the fuselage downwind of the fire!
This seems to be a very well handled response to an engine fire detection on landing. It’s a busy time for the pilots, hence some of the missed calls from the tower. I’d certainly not be evacuating an aircraft without speaking to the cabin crew and fire brigade / tower after running the memory items. Even opening the flight deck window and leaning out to get a look at the engine is a good tool, depending on the quality of information coming in from outside sources.
It is definitely not just a case of setting the park brake and then launching straight into an aviation.
They've just got out of an aviation, don't know why they'd launch into another one 😝
This was not a very well handled response by the controller. Pilot is saying we have fire on board and she's tell him to vacate the runway. Even AFTER the MAYDAY call, she's tell him to vacate if "he'd like." No awareness of the issue, no urgency.
@@jrod_pilot_miami She clearly wanted to get the Aircraft off the Runway - Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway - if the Runway is occupied by a crippled Aircraft the Airport is shutted down.
@@NicolaW72well better shut down than others witnessing a situation if it turned horrible,e plus traffic could land elsewhere small aitport ATC had thrir hands full with that incident, I'd say yo all atc back in 1987 ish we had a plane disaster in uk , on the runway snd a number of prople killed it was at manchester
@@bunglejoy3645 Yes, I´m remembering that - and indeed, exactly!
HOT DEALS and BURNING FEES on this flight
Hard to miss those Swedish accents.
Landvetter is the airport for the second largest city in Sweden its also Swedens second largest airport.
Maybe I missed something but there seemed to be a lot of confusion regarding origin of fire and engine shutdown status. Did this delay the fire crews approach to the aircraft?
Im pretty sure, that when ATC hears the word fire, she calls the fire brigade. Otherwise, the moment the ac calls mayday, she presses the big red button for sure.
@@GyrisCapat my airport we only call them if the aircraft is still in the air and not too close to the field. otherwise instant the red button
Fire crews will hesitate to get close to an engine that is running. The intake could suck up personnel or equipment extremely efficiently.
@@unbekannt4637 Yeah that’s basically what I meant, and what i would have expected. I sit on the other side of the conversation, and i would have informed ATC of the exact indications that was illuminating, but its easy to sit behind a keyboard and say what should have been done. It’s different when you are actually in the situation and have to try and analyse what the hell is actually going on. Like Sully said, there is also a human factor involved. In what country is your airport located if i can ask?
@@daveluttinen2547 that's what I thought. I just wasn't sure how long the delay might have been. Obviously the crews first concern is everyone's safety so I assumed the plan would be immediate shutdown of all engines and evacuations begin
Your left side is not on fire so please VACATE THE RUNWAY
Flying in a few hours, gotta get a few VASAviation videos in to get in the mood
As a pilot, fires have become my biggest fear. so unlikely i sound crazy but just that 0.0001% chance freaks me out
My brother is a turf cutter. He cuts it and I pileit....😂
You have very good reason. A whole aircraft full of people died from just the fumes one time because the stinking captain didn't stop and get everyone out ASAP. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163
Lithium. Batteries.
@@cageordie Indeed.
@@cageordie Have you seen the CVR transcriptions?
The whole situation was completely absurd, I can't believe the crew would be allowed to pilot any aircraft with the skills they showed on that accident.
There was an incident yesterday June 02 at Ksmf with Jetblue maybe you can do a video about it. Takeoff was cancel because of something on RWY. Result Flat tires and a flight delayed
Aviation Herald states that they didn't evacuate and the plane was flying again 12 hours later. Even Ryanair Mechanics aren't that fast if slides are deployed ;D Listening to the pilots i think they just thought about evacuating
The Aviation Herald stated that the Emergency Services found no nothing, that the Aircraft taxied 20 minutes later to the Apron and that it returned 12.5 hours later to service. So probably a minor issue or a false indication.
But this is the actual Radio Communication which happened during the event, not a later Report.
ah - that makes more sense ... reopening the airport 40 minutes after a taxiway evacuation sounded improbable!
The aircraft can probably be dispatched, under the MEL, with failed fire detection systems, or removed slides.
Great video, thanks' for sharing! No mucking around there, straight in with the MAYDAY.
5:31 KLM87R Left the chat.
That plane time travelled a year into the future. No wonder it caught on fire.
Well done to the crew, ATC, and airport ground personnel for their professionalism! Great upload as always
"They are right on your left side".
If the number one engine is gone then the other engine is left, right? ;-)
Now they're left your right side.
I wonder if Ryanair charged the passengers to evacuate.
Just a regular fee, no extra charges.
Ryanair probably made the passengers inflate the slide themselves, and then proceeded to charge them with an evacuation fee 😂
Hahahaha you got that right. 😅😅😂
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I think ATC said the Ryanair can vacate on Delta 🥴
That’s because the Lufthansa was sequenced closely behind.
If I look at the flight on flightradar. It shows that they landed (and evacuated) on the 2th of July at 11 am. Then the next flight was the same day at 23:45 local time to London after which it resumed normal operations. Is that even possible? First of all, all the slides need to be replaced and also they need to look at what caused the errors in the first place. Anyone who can answer that?
I believe it was determined that there was no fire and the aircraft was towed to stand without evacuating.
First contact I’d say “ mayday, stopping, standby “
Tower: "is it an engine fire or an ordinary Ryanair landing and just the wheels are on fire?"
Ryanair: "tell them it was an engine fire... I'm on my fourth set of tyres this week and it's only Tuesday morning" 😂
There was no evac on rwy though, they were towed to gate for deboarding. And the flight arrived from Sarajevo not krakow 😆
Wow such slow talking . I am used to the super speed talk from ATC
Welcome to Scandinavia lol.
@@FlickedMikeLit I don't know if I I should be impressed or concerned 🤔
@@franharwood3439 Be impressed. Scandinavian ATC is some of the best in the world. The American hyper ATC talking might sound impressive but it's rarely needed and often cause problems and confusion.
@@davidkavanagh189agreed. They sound like they talk with a sock in their mouth.
You realise that English isn’t their first language?
Starboard!! Call an SOS then
Landed a C-130 with #4 already shut down (oil leak/overtemp) and #3 spitting sparks on landing and still managed to clear the runway to the taxiway. I'm not going to second guess the pilot as being hesitant and overly cautious but ... he could have cleared the runway in less than 10 seconds, instead of closing the airport.
Probably not
I appreciate how professional everyone is being, but I feel like the beginning of this interaction is very weird (from MAYDAY call). When the pilot calls MAYDAY shouldn't tower acknowledge the emergency call immediately (of course after telling next incoming to go around)? And inform trucks are rolling? And giving a frequency / instructions for communicating with the fire trucks (or informing that they will be on frequency)?
More action and less talk i Europe. The Fire brigade was there in just a few seconds.
Pretty sure she went: press red button -> instruct go-around. A second frequency would not be neccessary at such a small airport, especially after the DLH was sent to APP
why would they not shut the engines off ??
They did
They did
@@VASAviationa whole 3 mins after the mayday still didn't
They shut off the right engine pretty immediately. They had not shut off the left engine, because doing so would render the aircraft immobile for quite a while, as the engines usually need to cool down before being restarted. And they had not received report of fire from the left side.
They appear to have detected a fire in the right engine, so they shut down the right engine as part of their memory items / non-normal checklist. No doubt they’ll start the APU and then shut down the other engine too.
« I might see some smoke » 😂
If I try to look
Pilot sounds like Kimi Raikkonen
"It stopped flying."
‘I might see some smoke on the tight side?” “Oh, non, that is francsoise, he is grabbing a quick smoke. It was a stressful flight!”
from FR24 data - aircraft stopped on taxiway at 9:05 ... and started moving again (to their stand) at 9:28
this does NOT sound like an evacuation - despite what ATC told other pilots
It was towed to stand with engines off. When the captain understood there was no real fire, they pushed the aircraft into stand.
What time did this happen? Video doesn't show arrival time... Might have something to do with the quality of info coming if it was starting to get dark.
09:20Z
Surprising amount of hesitation here. Swedish ATC usually on the ball
Would like to see more European content!
Unfortunately there’s a lot less radio coverage in Europe
@@SeanGTMThere´re simply a couple of European Countries where it is strictly forbidden to publish Radio Communication between Pilots and ATC. E.G. in Germany it is a Crime, called "Violation of the Data Protection Law". And if you have Bad Luck the Attorneyship will make a "Dangerous Impact on Air Traffic" out of it. You can be prosecuted and sentenced to Jail if you do so. Therefore you will never see any publication of any radio communication between Pilots and ATC in Germany on this channel or any similar ones. That doesn´t mean that nothing happens in the German Airspace or at German Airports.
There´re a few Countries in Europe with more liberal regulations in this regard: the Netherlands, Portugal, Ireland, Hungary, Poland, Serbia and Sweden. So it´s no coincidence that Events from Europe, which are covered here, are coming usually from one of these Countries.
@@SeanGTM Not necessarily. Some countries in Europe take a more paternalistic view of their citizens and recording ATC traffic is a crime there. In others, English is not the native language so there isn't nearly as much interest in English ATC recordings.
What a cluster
00:37 - What does it mean when she says "Stand"
Parking space for aeroplanes, usually one not directly attached to a terminal, and therefore requiring air stairs and a bus to get people to and from the terminal. So Tower is saying to go to parking space 21, using the route taxiway Y, taxiway K.
Parking position
Parking position, as others including VASAviation have mentioned. This term is used across Europe, and I believe here in Canada as well.
@@rupertboyce-bown6650 Thanks so much for this thorough and clear explanation! I'm not a pilot, but I have never heard it on this channel before. Your explanation makes it really clear.
Should just let Fire talk to Aircraft direct, Lots of time and understanding last in the comms between tower and aircraft.
The people with the best view I.e Fire Service didn't even speak on freq, or have aa freq to change to.
Airport radio is used, a TETRA system, and since they already vacated, what else is there to do?
Yer, thats not good, Instead large airports would send a pilot to a dedicated fire freq and allow them to talk directly to the fire service who then can answer questions directly and report things directly.
At small airfields, fire service would be on the twr freq and talk directly,
This cuts out ATC who can listen and interject,
By the time the fire service is there all important questions to answer should be on the fire freq ATC becomes a little redundant at that important stage in terms of relaying info.
Because they can't offer anything and not in the best position to help.
By the end of the video they pilot still wasn't fully aware of the status of the outside of the aircraft,
It works very well across the world. So there's plenty more to do, vacated or not, In this case it hadn't vacated.
The TETRA system is more likely just going to be between ATC and the fire service at best.
They need to polish up there response and comms.
Virtually all UK airports have the same dedicated frequency for talking to the Airport Fire Service. It drives me mad that AMS, where I operate, refuses to even consider implementing this, even after incidents where the inability to communicate directly with the Fire Service was an issue.
@@AirspotterUKThis is not the UK. Here the Fire Brigade was there in just a few seconds. What you are talking about could very well have been set up. But inside the time frame here they probably relayed info via Tower. Time is crucial and the procedures you are talking about are time consuming and takes time from both pilots and Fire Brigade doing their jobs. Here the pilots got the answers they needed from Tower ultra fast. I doubt any Airport in the UK could have done it faster because they could have been stuck in frequency changes and communication misunderstandongs instead.
@@AirspotterUKIts the result that counts. You are stuck in procedures thinking. On contrary to what you are saying the pilots got all the information they need. And most Important they did NOT need to change frequency. The Tower had contact with the Fire brigade and could relay information as you very well heard.
Spontaneous combustion due to hard landing?
You mean "Spontaneous combustion due to Ryanair" I guess ;D
Cost saving measure, dropping off passengers on the runway avoids fees for using the gate.
@@NelsonBrownThey most often don't use them anyway for cost saving measures ;)
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that was my first thought as well lmao
Question: Does the pilot need the ATC to give approval to evacuate their plane? I would think it's a pilot driven decision. However, she seemed to be the one in charge, and he went with it. He seemed to let her dictate how things would go?? Just an observation.
No approval requested
When the pilot said there was a fire onboard, I had assumed it was inside the aircraft - either inside the overhead racks, in an equipment bay, or in the cargo hold. By the time he said it was an engine, several minutes had gone by. I get it that the pilot wants to have everyone safe and have them evacuate away from the fire, but he left the engine running on the non-fire side. That ambiguity, just to me, seems hazardous.
Airliner engines have fire suppression systems built in. They're not supposed to just turn off the engines, that'd be likely to lose the entire aircraft and put more people in danger. There's a checklist that they need to work through.
Mentor pilot has at least 1 video talking about this stuff.
@@nolanwhite1971wrong.. the pilots can shut engines down if they deem necessary.. there’s no checklist required to shut an engine n the ground. Plus the fire suppression systems are NOT automatic. The pilots have to activate them. Please don’t make comments on things that you don’t know.
The evacuation checklist directs to shut down both engines. The memory items directs to secure only the affected engine.
Why did it take so long for ATC to call/confirm emergency services? Also, surprised at the Lufthansa blocking the radio with questions about the frequency. There's a mayday, just go-ahead as instructed and clear the radio.
The Lufthansa had not understood the Waypoint to which they should fly - so questioning for it was the only way to "go ahead".
@@NicolaW72 Ok, interesting....
Let's assume the DLH had not confirmed the frequency and switched to a wrong one. They'd have to come back a few min later to ask about it again.
Also, ATC most likely pressed the big red button; either at the word "fire" or latest at "MAYDAY"
@@lyaneris DLH had clearly not understood to which waypoint they should move and questioned therefore. They were not on a wrong frequency, but maybe haven´t briefed MAXIV
What was on fire exactly?
I may have misunderstood the audio. How does "MAXIV" translate to what sounded like "MAX Seven"?
It's just MAXIV, a waypoint
It's "MAXIV and" that you're hearing as "max seven". Read as "maksivənd". i and e are close enough to be misheard.
It is MAXIV, max-eev with an accent. MAXIV is a holding point to the north of Gothenberg airport.
MAXIV is a holding waypoint. You can see planes circling it at the end of the video prior to be vectored back to the airport for landing.
Oof, yeah, I, too, would have needed a phonetic spelling on that one!
Pilot never says we're evacuating. The Aviation Herald says: "...emergency services checked the aircraft and found no trace of unintended fire, heat or smoke. About 20 minutes after landing the aircraft vacated the runway and taxied to the apron."
This is the actual Radio Communication, not a later Report.
Here in the U.S Ryanair (along with a couple of other airlines) is often comedic fodder for late night talk shows. The crew, ATC, and emergency crews handled that situation really well.
Everyone was very professional and on point.
The irony that a professional airline like Ryanair is comedic fodder in the US, while the US on an almost daily basis has runway incursions, aircraft departing from close runways, and a national aircraft manufacturer in crisis mode. 😂
Ryanair for its size and about 3000 flights per day has one of the world's best safety records to put out so I don't get the jokes. They are known for having very strict (and many many) SOPs even going further than Boeing's SOPs
@@PN_48not irony, just math. The U.S. has more aircraft operating at any time than any other country.
The fact that Ryanair is fodder is Ryanair’s fault.
@@SeligTilesI’m an ATC at a big center in Europe. I have yet to find one unprofessional Ryanair pilot, whereas I can guarantee you that we take the piss amongst us about almost every single American pilot that comes on our frequency, as they struggle to sometimes even readback points that we spell out for them, and they spell them back wrong. We have to adjust our rate of speech the same way we do with Chinese pilots just cause it seems like they don’t have a clue about what’s going on.
Norwegian, KLM and Lufthansa still circling MAXIV?
ATC and the pilots were super professional as always
Don’t like the choice to evacuate. These planes are designed to deal with engine and brake fires. Evacuations should only be for smoke in the cabin. People get hurt in evacuations
Nothing on AVHerald.
Meanwhile there´s something.
is the fire extra?
That plane would be fried....she says stand by after Mayday Mayday Mayday? Really?
Did Ryanair charge passengers to use the slide?
So... was there a fire or not?
Ce bon gros accent français du pilote😂
So the preamble says they previously indicated a fire in both engines and the APU? First off, that makes no sense. As far as what I hear on tower, communication was very poor. The 737-800 only has so many possible fire indications. L/R engine, APU, wheel well, and forward/aft cargo, as well as lavatories and people's eyes. They never stated what their indication was, or where to have the fire crew start looking. Also, if you have time to clear the runway, you have time to taxi far enough to actually clear the runway. Or you stop ON the runway. But again, they appeared very confused by the situation and couldn't clearly state what they needed or wanted.
As for tower asking if they can clear the runway, with vague communication from the flight crew, they are trying to prevent further issues and emergencies resulting from having that runway closed.
Dense ATC in the tower
Left 13 minutes late and arrived 22 minutes early with a burning smell………
ATC's accent is so hot
KEROSENE by Crystal Castles INTENSIFIES ☠️🛩️🔥
Hmm. French Ryanair cockpit crew sounded very anxious and had difficulty understanding clear English. Calling a Mayday when you are stopped on the ground was perhaps a bit premature.
Who cares about the mayday paperwork when this could turn into a life threatening situation.
Cool, this is my local airport :D
Cool? No, Hot!
Terrible spot to stop. We are taught to stay on runway if on fire. Easier for emergency vehicles to get around A/C. Furthermore, he put fire upwind, thereby smoke and fire would blow back towards A/C. That being said, pilots probably didn’t know what was going on and stopped right where they did after getting first indications of a fire. Rock and a hard place.
Might have been a crosswind landing, though?
After mayday, ATC should stop asking them move. That airport and runway is Ryanairs after the MAYDAY. ATC should await their instructions on what to do. Asking them to vacate is distracting them from from checklists.
Most pilots will agree that ATC can GTFO when it comes to an emergency and ATC's concerns about the backlog it'll cause them. ATCs job is to move heaven and earth for emergency aircraft to let them get on with doing whatever is needed to keep the aircraft and PAX safe.
Still, these pilots didn't help themselves and could've been more efficient but we aren't there so we cannot judge exactly what was going on.
I think she was trying to say "evacuate". Language barrier.
@@VASAviation I hope that’s the case and you’re probably right. ATC are usually on it and often responsible for playing the part in the saving of many lives in how they react so well.
@@VASAviation No, definetely not. Her first priority was clearly to get the Aircraft off the Runway. Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway, so it is understandable why. But nevertheless.
She is initially more concerned with them freeing the runway, then the emergency.
My God evacuate
We have fire on board .... generally speaking
bet they charged the passengers extra for using the slides
Bullshit
Man, the TWR was ANNOYING as hell!! Dear Lord!
Why?
super professional as always
I wouldn't say that, seemed like a lot of confusion going on
@@kevingraham3161x where was the confusion? The pilots would be busy doing stuff and the tower would have to show some patience in getting through to them. Part of the scenario for something like an engine fire would be to collect information from outside sources, so speak to the cabin crew (what can they see?), speak to ATC (what can they see?), and then make an informed decision to evacuate. It is perfectly conceivable to not evacuate and have the fire brigade douse the fire(s). This might be the safer option.
@@EdOeuna And i can promise you that at the same second the plane said "fire", the big red button was pushed and within maximum of 30 seconds the fire crew was in the trucks rolling out the doors. A LOT happens that we never hear.
@@Xanthopteryx 100%.
First one I have ever heard of these that is in Europe, in fact I think it is the first that isn't the USA! More of these please.
Unfortunately there is a lot less coverage in Europe; these recordings are from enthusiasts who live near airports with their own equipment who provide a live feed to liveatc. In countries where English is not the native language, there will be a lot less interest in English language ATC recordings. Also, it is illegal to do this in some places. Some countries, most notably the UK, prohibit recording ATC frequencies.
There are lots from Amsterdam, their ATC is great!
Absolute carnage. Ryanscare done exactly what they SHOULDNT of. To turn abeam the wind with possible engine fire. There was an air crash program about this turning abeam the wind made the fire engulf the cabin at rapid pace rather than flames being kept behind the wings. Awful comms from Ryanair as well. Poor show
For all the time the Ryan Air plane farted around, they could have cleared the runway.
Definitely not
I'm only here for the Ryanair landing comments
"Thank you for flying RyanAir. Please have your credit cards ready as you evacuate to pay the Early Deplaning & Bus To The Terminal Fees and we hope you enjoyed your flight."
Even the pilots have to buy tickets.😆
Why did they take so long to vacate the runway, just into the taxiway?
When you have a possible fire, that gets ALL of your attention. Vacate if convenient or logical for another reason. Otherwise stop on the runway and evacuate. Another reason for not wanting to vacate is it might cause the fire to be blown towards the cabin by the change in relative wind direction after turning. Look up 1985 Manchester Airport Disaster. It may also be the airline SOP to stop on the runway.
That's priority number last.
She should have clarified the problem. No commercial aircraft stops on the runway for fun. Poor ATC in my opinion. An aircraft fire should always take absolute priority from all involved. They go from nought to deadly in minutes.... Yes they didn't say that at first but she should have enquired.
2025?
Shut your engines down!
I hope it's not just me who would NOT be able to make out what these pilots are saying without the subtitles. I really don't know how the traffic controllers can make out what they're saying past all of this static.
You don’t hear the static when you’re actually tuned into the frequency
I think it's just you.
Fuck the ASSIST said that ATC 🤦🏻♂️…
Very poor communication from both ATC and pilot. I dont know if that was stress or just language barier ? Normally communications in these situations are swift and clear, so both sides know what they are doing.
By VACATE she 100% meant EVACUATE. Little mix-up of words that have a very similar meaning in an standard english dictionary. Also, from the tower she was able to see that the plane was already on taxiway DELTA while she was looking for smoke.
I think the same aswell
No, she meant "clear the runway" when she said VACATE. She only said EVACUATE _after_ the pilot reported that they may need to do so.
Controller will not be telling them if or where to evacuate.
@@davidkavanagh189 listen again. She _clearly_ told them that they could evacuate where they were if they wanted.
No, she wanted to get the Aircraft off the Runway. Understandable when you know that Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway, but nevertheless.
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Oh good gods, those Swedish accents. "They are right on your left side" :D
(Yes, I am Swedish)
This was not a very well handled response by the controller. Pilot is saying we have fire on board and she's tell him to vacate the runway. Even AFTER the MAYDAY call, she's tell him to vacate if "he'd like." No awareness of the issue, no urgency.
I think she was trying to say evacuate
She was clearly very concerned that the Aircraft would block the Runway and wanted him to get away from it. This was clearly her first priority. For understanding it should be added that Gothenburg Landvetter is a small Airport with only one Runway, so a crippled Aircraft on the Runway would shut down the whole Airport.
@@NicolaW72 so what? When a controller hears “fire on board” from any aircraft they are controlling, providing them assistance is the priority. Clearing the runway so another aircraft can land should be her last concern. Smartly, she told the incoming aircraft to go-around. That’s her second priority. She can request her colleagues assistance to divert other aircraft on final. But once an aircraft under their control has declared and emergency, that aircraft is almost exclusively their responsibility to coordinate in providing assistance. But then even after declaring an emergency, she yet again insists the pilot vacate the runway diverting their attention from the real emergency.
@@jrod_pilot_miami Yes, indeed - it took obviously time until she arrived in "emergency mode". Fortunately without serious consequences.
Alrighty then.
Where do they get these pilots from? Vacate the runway ok , fire mayday mayday mayday, stay on the runway, do nothing , ask for smoke update 5 times stay on the runway , evacuate , don’t evacuate wait some more and finally evacuate
You don't want to hurry on an evacuation for something you have not confirmed.
Well it's one of the biggest and safest airlines in the world so presumably they get their pilots from excellent training institutions... Look up a thing called 'startle factor'. It can make even the most talented and disciplined pilot stumble for a few seconds.
Who am i to judge but that crew seemed to be lost and all over the place their communication was abismal! ATC gently reminded them again and again to evacuate until they finally got round to it.
Tower was asking them to vacate the runway, not to evacuate. They didn't want what happened, which was to shut the runway down. Essentially:
Ryanair: Help, I'm on Fire
TWR: That's nice, can you get off the runway?
Well, its not ATCs call is it? If the indications given to you doesn’t make any sense, then you wanna try to establish what is going on. If its true that they had indications of fire in both engines and in the apu, it would probably mean that you are not actually on fire, but there is a fault in a system somewhere. And since 10 percent of passengers get injuries during an evacuation, they were in the right to establish as much info as they possibly could before initiating the evacuation.
They were trying to get them to clear the runway, vacate vs evacuate.
@mipmipmipmipmip At the time that the tower was telling them to vacate the runway, the Ryanair crew hadn't indicated that they had a fire. They just said "we have a problem", to which the controller told them to vacate via Delta. Once they said they had a fire, ATC immediately told incoming aircraft to go around and cleared Ryanair to evacuate. Asking them to vacate was exactly appropriate based on that initial call before the severity of the problem was made clear
The pilots were in data collection mode and then running memory items / checklists. It is perfectly normal to miss or delay communication during such an event, or use communication to gain a better understanding of what is visible from the outside. It would be perfectly conceivable to be asking the cabin crew what they can see, as I assume you can’t see the engines from the flight deck, and the 737 is too small for a GMCS.
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With the litany of questions I expected the ATC to ask the pilot to pick up a firehose and put the fire out! Good grief, let the guy evacuate his plane!!
How did i get the opposite conclusion from the same audio?! To me the crew sounded confused and hesitant and the atc was pushing them to evacuate!
@@ss-xy2im The wording from the controller left a lot to be desired. "You can vacate" is more like an instruction to get off the runway than a green light to evacuate. That's bound to confuse the pilot.
@@alexmiller7721 except no, because pilots understand that the ultimate authority of evacuating their passengers falls with them, wherever they are.
@@Bisonrulz16 I understand that, but being under the impression you've just been told to vacate a runway right after announcing your plane is on fire... Well, it's not exactly what you want (or expect) to hear.
@@ss-xy2imATC was saying "you may VACATE" not evacuate. So basically "could you get off the runway please"
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