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I hope and pray his conversion was for real. Something about it always seemed more credible than many supposed conversions of criminals and celebrities. ... What about Ted Bundy?
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We are all save by grace through faith and the meaning of grace is getting what we don’t deserve because of what Christ did at the cross. It takes a revelation from the spirit to understand this that’s why our heads have a hard time with this. You said it perfectly. well done. Christ is bigger than anyones sin!!! Where sin abounded grace much more abounded
So, maybe Hitler is saved too? Naw man, They aren’t. They crossed a line. So, what if Satan repents too? Then he’s in heaven too? It just doesn’t add up. Of course, only God knows. 😢
When a murderer suddenly claims to be christian I'm tempted to think 'but are you really?' Then I remember that the bible says God can change the vilest offender. So at the end the end of the day it's between him and God. For Jeffrey's sake I hope he was.
I think Paul was a murderer as well. Jesus forgave him and had him write some of the scriptures we read. That should show you that anybody can be forgiven.
I am a former Muslim from Egypt and I am now a Christian who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ. This is my master, my teacher and my whole life. I thank the Lord that I was freed from the Islamic devil and knew the right path. ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Psalm 23 :4
@@gomer981 Takes a lot to change your beliefs. God is happy to have you see Him clearer than before. I have no hate for muslims personally i find the religion beautiful. but as a believer in Christ i see these things as religion and Christianity as the truth. I mean that in the nicest way :( God bless Jesus is cominggg!!
Wow… It took Jeffery Dalmer’s salvation to really expose what’s in our hearts as Christians. If it makes us uncomfortable that Dahmer is not in Hell, then we really don’t understand the assignment that God has for us. We’re supposed to be bringing souls to Christ. We can’t pick and chose who we want to make it into Heaven. God wants all of his children there.
Christians should be comfortable with the likes of Dahmer in heaven.Fortunately I could never accept a belief system where a murderer is rewarded and a victim is punished.
@@baddad9171 and yet when the mob screaming for Jesus' death and demanding Pilate release a murderer in his place doesn't seem ironic to you based on your statement? We all fall short of the glory of God, this is the entire premise of Christianity and God taking human form and taking our punishment on the cross. We are equal in sin, but also equal in salvation. You seem to put God and his rules in your own box, but none of us deserve Heaven, and that's what grace is. If Dahmer truly repented, and accepted Jesus Christ, then he got saved from the pits of Hell. Noah was a drunk, David had an affair with someone and had her husband killed, Moses killed someone, Paul stood by while a Christian was murdered for his faith..everyone in the bible deserved eternal punishment and yet God still loved them!
@@magdalenem4949 I understand the premise, I don't think it's a good premise. A non-Christian victim of his lives a reasonable life and goes to hell. Dahmer does what he does and goes to heaven. Count me out thanks.
@@baddad9171 it's not a bad premise actually. God is Holy, the concept is hard for non-believers to understand, but mankind it it's current state cannot co-exist with God based on this principal because we are fallen. He outlines this perfectly in Genesis when he warns we will die if we eat of the fruit. Jesus' sacrifice on the cross made it possible so that God no longer sees our sin but his son. The lifeline is free for all who choose Jesus. And the interpretation of "A good life" is you the creation interpreting and dictating your rules to HIM. That is not how it works. Even a white lie is a sin, sin even one can separate us from a Holy God. Jesus is the only one who did not sin which is the point if him taking on our punishment. The lifeline of Christ is a gift from him, you can choose to enjoy it without him but then you have to endure eternity without him. Basically like a wealthy parent who's children abandoned their parent: would YOU expect that parent to leave them anything after they abandoned him? and the created questioning the motives of the creator shows how limited our minds are when we discuss the existence of a perfect and sovereign God. His rules, he is God and he doesn't want any of his children to go to Hell, but we chose to reject him and choose to live w out him on our own accord.
Seeing someone like Jeffrey Dahmer received by the Father in Heaven should bring us all hope so that none of us might fear that we've done something so bad we can't be loved by the Lord.
This. God's grace extends to ALL. In the sight of God, all humans deserve eternal damnation no matter how good a person you think you are. It wouldn't be perfect love or a perfect sacrifice if Jesus Christ's death could not atone for the sins of all.Thank You, Lord Jesus Christ for dying for all people. I pray that as many people as possible will believe in You and receive eternal life in You. Amen. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4
well I've definitely not done as bad as him not even tiny bit close but ive accused God of bad stuff, ive cursed him out, ive ignored him fulling knowing he was calling me and even though I knew he was calling me to repent kept seeking to please others and myself and only would call upon him when I felt like I needed a blessing. now if someone would treat you like that I doubt you'd accept them back with open arms so why on earth would he accept me back and on top of that I don't even think he wants to listen to a word I say anymore
@@dylan6996 He loves you, that's why! He desperately wants a relationship with you and He will never stop trying to form one with you. You might not accept back someone who did that to you, but God will. His arms are open. All you have to do is open up to receive the love He has for you and let Him draw you near. Everything you've done, I've done as well. But God hasn't given up on me and He won't give up on you. Just turn to Him, apologize, and let yourself be embraced by HIm.
Brother, you've got me tearing up. I avoid studying men like Jeffrey Dahmer, or reading true crime. I don't need to know the heinousness of another man's sin since it is no more deserving of God's wrath than my own. I have never committed murder... but I've been angry with my brother and hated others. By the standard of our Lord, I am owed death. I receive everlasting life instead. Praise be to our Lord God.
@C. Ray true but it’s mostly remarkable because he didn’t have learn that the hard way and wait till judgment day to know that. It wouldn’t be so bad to believe he was truly repentant and sincere.
Thank you for doing this video. I have been struggling with this. And I was convicted. As a Christian since age 6.....37 years....I need this conviction because I am still a sinner saved by grace, And though I have not committed the sins of Dahmer, I am still in need of Jesus' grace, and salvation. I. am no better than any other person on Earth, and The gospel is for ALL.
I lived in Portage (where he was imprisoned) and did a service at CCI that he attended. He was very polite and thanked us for coming. It was actually surprising that he came to the service, because after the first attack he tended to not come as much for safety reasons. About a month later he was killed. I remember others on our ministry team struggling with the thought that he could be in heaven, but thank God for grace!
Amen! It’s encouraging to know that our God can draw and save the worst of sinners. It’s gives us hope as we stand in the gap and intercede for our unsaved loved ones.
Great video. I'd like to say that most of our problems with seeing someone such as Dahmer as forgivable is because, often, we can place ourself in the role of Judge. If it were up to us, maybe there would be a cutoff to grace, or maybe it could be earned. Thanks be to God that His grace and justice supersede our own, or we would truly have no hope in righting our sins without the sacrifice of Christ.
I would also respectfully suggest that for those that have difficulty with Mr Dahmer being forgiven by God and that we cannot look honestly at the awfulness of our own sins: judgmentalism, self-righteousness, gossip, greed, ignoring the Lord, Etc
Forreal. I can only imagine how heartbroken his father must have been to see this happen to his son but yeah, in Christ I pray and I hope that they both will get to experience true life as it was designed to be - free from sin and the various evils that accompany it - and that the two of them may be united and blessed through the love of the Lord Christ Jesus.
I remember watching that interview live when Jeffery claimed to be a born again Christian. I remember feeling such joy in my spirit and believing that he was sincere. What a testament to God's grace, mercy and love for us. If He can save Jeffery Dahmer, He can save anyone! Great video, thanks for making it.
He was probably lying. By becoming "Christian" he gets visitors for Bible study . Probably the only humans who never spat on him or threaten to kill him.
Since the Netflix series was released, there’s been countless videos reviewing it or talking about JD’s crimes. The only TH-camrs I’ve seen mention his conversion to Christianity have been you and Ruslan. It’s been completely negated from the story. I think this is a good topic to help us as Christians check our hearts and Bible about what it says about salvation. Although JD’s crimes were horrific, if he truly repented and believed Jesus to be his lord and savior, according to the Bible, he’s been saved regardless of how others feel about it.
Amen, I didnt murder so therefore I'm better, God sees sin as sin and we see other sins as worse than the "little sins" definitely a reminder to not be a pharisee and pray at least I'm not like that person but instead we all need jesus the same
@@zackstanderfer3406 Jesus said that to hate is the same thing as murder. I don't know about you, but before I knew The Lord, I had murdered many. I've watched the video about JD talking about Jesus, featured here in this video. It's very powerful, indeed! Peace 💜💗💜
It's important to note that all the heinous acts he committed were as an atheist. As a Christian he said that it is God who holds morality and makes people accountable.... (paraphrasing) so essentially, the power of Christ turned a wretched man into man capable of love and decency. This is not an attack on atheists at all, but a window into Christ's transformative power. Something to think about.
@@k-dogg9086 by a man who had a hit list of people he wanted to kill because he didn't think they were worthy of being called murders because of who and how they killed... man also claimed to be a million years old and to be the son of god 🙏
I can see why people would be uncomfortable with Dahmer going to Heaven, however for some reason it makes me happy. Any one who receives salvation and sees how good God is make me happy. Someone as “evil” as Dahmer receiving salvation and going to Heaven also makes my faith in God even stronger. It gives us a small glimpse of how good God truly is. I love Jesus. ❤️
Lol @ how good God is to only judge someone on what they believe and ignore everything they have done while alive. That is not a good smart or moral being at all. That statement makes me even more proud to be an atheist as I want nothing to do with a god like that.
I have studied criminology for a couple years, and I remember the first time I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer gave his heart to Jesus. I cried. I remember being like, "Praise the Lord! Thank you Jesus for your immense grace and love for us that you would save someone like that." While I know that thinking that last part of "someone like that" isn't the right way to think, I always felt more hope and happiness of God's love for us as undeserving, flawed humans. It seemed to me to be an amazing testimony.
Creepy how the media would not tell his whole conversations. I remember a woman on death row, about to be executed....The media waited to see her fail, as she told of her salvatiion.....She did not break.
I thought hell was for people like Jeff. It shatters my sense of fairness to believe Jeff is currently in heaven and that there's a possibility one of his victims that never accepted christ is currently burning in hell.
@@godwinadjei2932 yep And discernment. Its one thing to judge she a person and say- they went to hell, or they should go to hell. God knows our hearts for certain. For example, I knew, loved and trusted someone for many many years. Then I was shocked to learn they were deep into witchcraft/the occult and using it against me... God taught me the hard way; "Lean not on your own understanding." Know that you're a fallible human being... And God is the only one to trust whole heartly. Otherwise- your house is built on sand, when you trust others, or your own thoughts/beliefs to much. Leave room for your own opinions to be wrong- "Gods thoughts are higher," Only trust the Lord Jesus Christ. He's the rock, the foundation, lover of our souls and our mighty protector... The days are evil, friends. Walk wisely. God Bless you all in Jesus name, Amen.
I hope Jeffrey was truly saved. I believe he was possessed by demonic entities, or at the very least he was heavily influenced by them. So if he accepted the truth that Jesus Christ is his Savior, I can't wait to see him in heaven along with all of the other saints. Praise God!
@@HagelBiscut well, it does not change anything: if He did convert, the bible says that God will forget his sin and he will become as white as snow. So demons or not, the God we serve is the one that forgive.. even the greatest sinners. Remembering you that Paul was not a saint either.. he killed many people. He probably did some horrible stuff… but God redeemed it. So, let’s rejoice if He did. It does not mean we don’t condemn what he did and that we don’t feel compassion for his victims. God wants to save everyone. The only one that can make you follow Jesus is God. Faith is a gift from God. I would like to add that it does show how hard it is to follow Christ. Humanly, we can’t follow the law of God. Because loving your ennemy, and someone who did such horrible stuff is supernatural. We as human want to condemn them. But Jesus called us to pray for our enemy. That’s mindblowing.
@@HagelBiscut Did you even listen to the video on who Apostle Paul was before he became a Christian? He killed hundreds of Christians before God changed him.
Only Christ forgives , I'm sure not going to tell Jesus what to do. I was a drunk and a drug addict, 39 years later I'm a preacher I spend my time ministering to seniors in assisted living centers, they know my past , praise God the past is in the sea of God's forgetfulness. Good message brother 🙏
@soulprosperitypioneers actually if I wanted to be completely biblical I would say by grace through faith, the Bible also says look upon the lord and be saved. But I say it that way to get people to search after Christ. And Jesus said no one can come to the Father but through the Son. Have a blessed day
We need more conversion stories like this. It exposes our own self-righteousness and highlights God's mercy even more. I am reminded that the Pharisees judged Jesus for eating with the evil sinners. They were blind to their own need. They did not see their own wickedness. I think everyone can confess, that when they got saved, they felt too unworthy and sinful, and realized it was all by God's grace and mercy. Great job on this video
This is not a conversion story. You missed the point. We don't know if his conversion was sincere or not. The point of the video was "it's in God's hands and we don't decide who goes to hell. Yes God's grace is sufficient to save even Jeffrey Dahmer but we don't know if he was sincere or not so we shouldn't make assumptions either way."
You're absolutely right. By GRACE alone, through FAITH alone, in CHRIST alone 🙌🏾🙌🏾. Only a repentant sinner can truly understand God's grace and forgiveness.
@@Elias.M92 hey Elias, yes I know what you are saying, but the important thing to note is that no one is “good” enough for heaven. We judge people as good or bad based on human understandings. Granted, bad is pretty obvious, but the “good” man hides evil in his heart too.
I’ve known about Dahmer for a long time but only when I finished that Netflix series did I have any idea Dahmer became a Christian. It was so shocking to me. It makes me wonder why so many outlets hadn’t showed Jeffery talking about Christ in the interviews so long ago… I was very skeptical about the conversion, so I looked deeply into it. After seeing Jeffery’s whole process and how he acted along with his faith, I have little doubt now that the conversion was genuine. I can’t express how much joy that brings me! And I sincerely hope that for Dahmer’s sake, he really did come to Christ.
Why does it bring joy to you that a killer who killed 20 or so people is set free? What about his victims? Is there justice in the fact that his victims may be in hell and he isn't?
@@hello-kj9ff that's the gospel. All will be forgiven, a new creation in Christ. We all deserve hell because of our sin. There's only 1 savior and that's Christ and we accept the finished with on the cross by faith.
@@troyyakel2872 it's just ridiculous seeing all these youtube comments praising God for Dahmer's salvation without a single word to his victims. It's disrespectful and shows the arrogance of modern Christians
@@hello-kj9ff The video and most comments are specifically around salvation. What he did is reprehensible, evil and terrible, but this video isn't about what he did. This is about the grace of God, and yes, we should all be praising God for His grace. That's not arrogance in the slightest. It's hope that no matter what you've done, if it's God's will, He'll use it for His glory. I feel for the victim's and their families and hope that they find solace.
@@hello-kj9ff You obviously don't know God, who created you, everyone and everything. You also don't know His Word, the Bible. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can know it ?" Only God can know our individual hearts, and I for one thank Him profusely that He changed mine, and opened it to His grace and MERCY. And yes, only God knows for ABSOLUTE sure the condition of Jeffery's and Bundy's hearts, and whether their repentace was genuine and they were born again or not. But if they were, I will "praise God that His mercy endures forever." and that they were snatched from satan's grasp and have eternal life with Jesus. MARANATHA !!!!
If he was saved before death, God continues to amaze me. I have family who reject my messages and myself when I share the gospel with them. My own mother says “go preach to the ones in jail or those who need it” and as much as it saddens me because of the fact that this is my mother saying this, at the same time when I hear of similar stories to Dahmer’s, I can’t help but to be humbled by such stories. How God can take a wicked person like myself and completely transform me and my view of life. Truly amazed by how great a God we serve amen 🙏🏾
I watched the series on Netflix. I was a little hesitant because of my Christian beliefs and thinking it might glorify the killings. I have always been a fan of horror and mystery so my curiosity got the best of me. However I thought they did a really good job of not showing a ton of gore and rather focused on the life of the man and his family, how he had grown up and also how the police failed. I didn't know about his Christian conversion and I was really pleased with the ending focusing on that. He didn't escape the wrath of God in this life, as he was killed in cold blood and that was a just end to his life, but he understood his sin and was repentant and will enjoy being free from his demons in the after life. You made a really great point to note the Paul was also a serial murderer and was forgiven and is one of most respected Christians on history. I pray that the Jeffery Dahmer story does reach the the most lost of the lost and helps point them to Christ.
Peter Evans deserves an Oscar for that series. I've never been so unsettled by a performance. I also hope he has his mental health in order because doing a role like that takes a toll.
@@Ria.ray77257 it's very mature, also very unsettling. It's basically a horror movie except true to life which makes it worse. Do with that information what you will.
I couldn't help but think he was possessed. He was very into satanic worship for a long period. I hope his conversion was sincere, God can change anyone's heart.
Agree. It’s overall a good series. I appreciated the depiction of his father, and of Dahmer himself. I always imagined Dahmer as a monster and in some ways he absolutely was. But I was surprised at how human he really seemed too, especially compared with people like Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez.
I had no idea he had been saved. I am speechless and so eternally happy. That is the power of God! I would also classify myself as a pretty horrible sinner. I can not and will not judge him.
Check out Tex Watson and David Berkowitz. Tex started his own ministry and I think Berkowitz did something similar claiming God put him in a position to reach some really bad people in need of Christ.
This exact challenge occurred early on in my faith. I had read about Dahmer, and when the end of the article spoke about his conversion mere months before his death, I immediately scoffed at it. God rebuked me then and there with exactly the points you mentioned; "Are you a better sinner than him?" - I repented and have come to understand that God's grace is sufficient for ALL mankind - the thief on the cross, Paul, Dahmer and even me!
Great message, Jon. We’re taught that we are guilty of sins of the flesh & the heart. I’m not a serial killer but I would be ashamed to stand in front of God and be held to account for a lot of the things I’ve thought in my life. Especially recently with all the madness in the world. The parable of the workers in the vineyard, Matthew 20: 1-16, always comes to mind when examples like Dahmer coming to Christ are examined.
Yup and I heard that sin is sin. So stealing or any simple sin is considered the same as one murdering someone because it’s sin but if you truly repent, and try to live a good life then it’s all good. So who knows if dahmer truly is a Christian because it’s between him and God
That's exactly what I was thinking when I was watching this, he is the worker who was hired last and his reward is the same. Many of us who have been Christian a long time see his reward and are jealous instead of thrilled for his salvation. Watching him profess that Jesus is Lord brought tears of joy to my eyes. I can't wait to meet him in heaven! I'm going to give him the biggest hug ever!
I feel like God orchestrated it that way on purpose, so we could have that scripture to point to that shows how radical Christ's forgiveness is. There are lots of examples of this type of thing, where it almost seems as if God purposefully designed His word to answer objections He knew would arise. Kind of like how it seems like reality itself was designed... Probably because it was ;)
I love that! The thief didn't make amends, did no good deeds, no fruit of righteous living but I believe Jesus wanted to illustrate that salvation is completely free for the worst of us! I love Him for that!
I believe the difference is that his repentance was not premeditated. It was genuine and in the moment unlike others who choose to sin and ask for forgiveness insincerely as a last resort to be saved.
I remember seeing a short documentary about jeffery quite a while ago, and I remember when I first heard about his conversion to Christianity I was actually happy for him. The Holy Spirit was working in and through my heart because even after hearing all the heinous crimes I remember thinking "Praise God, he came to Christ before he died and received salvation from hell". That was my immediate reaction, but soon after I felt bad because I started to think about the lives he ended before they too could possibly come to Christ. As I ruminated on this, I felt the dark thought creep in "does he really deserve to go to heaven" and the Holy Spirit immediately pressed on my heart that no one deserves heaven, we only receive salvation because of the perfect life Jesus Christ lived and His grace covers us and makes us worthy. On our own we are all covered in sin, just as much as jeffery. People like to separate sin like we tend to separate lies (big lies vs little white lies), but God sees all sin as heinous and evil and worthy of damnation. Once the Holy Spirit reminded me of this, I could once again feel peace in my spirit about praying that jeffery really was genuinely saved. Thank you for making this video. I believe jeffery's potential conversion really should show people that the salvation Jesus Christ promises really is available to everyone willing to accept it. Praise God🥰
I had the same thought. After the documentary I thought, what if all his victims weren't saved and Jeffrey was? I believe that God knows our hearts and who will come to him. I believe if any of those victims would have come to God at a later point, he would have rescued them from Dahmer. There were two victims that got away and I'm curious if they turned to Jesus at any point.
I was a student at the Memphis School of Preaching from 1993 to 1995. One of my instructors, Garland Elkins corresponded with Jeffrey Dahmer, playing a part in his baptism, providing study materials afterwards, and mailing tracts at his Dahmer's request to hand out to other inmates. I have copies of some of the letters if you are interested.
That's wonderful to hear - he obviously cared about others enough to witness to others:. By their fruits you shall know them. It's actually a remarkable sign that God changed him, as he was a psychopath (unable to feel empathy for others, notably his victims). Praise be to God
"We wrestle not with flesh and blood..." I think Dahmer is one of those examples of human brutality that defies imagination and displays the fact of the demonic at work in the world. But this also goes to show how amazing God's grace truly is. I was talking about this very thing several months ago and these same biblical themes came up, particularly the correlation to Paul. God often calls and uses the most undeserving people perhaps to confound the wise. Who else is going to reach those hardened killers on death row? In light of that question it seems a rather brilliant move of God, no ? The Apostle Paul under divine inspiration also wrote: I'm convinced nothing can separate us from the love of God.
@@couturedeana The Apostle Paul before his conversion killed christians and thought he was serving God. He was converted, his heart was changed from stone to flesh and he spent the rest of his life serving God, being persecuted and beaten for it...wrote 2/3 of the New Testament in the Bible. I would say if he can change Saul to Paul he could change Dahmer. Only God truly knows those who are His. Either Christ blood, if we accept what He did and repent, turn from our sins...He promised we will be forgiven. Jesus said the to THIEF on the cross next to him...when the thief said Lord when you enter your kingdom, remember me...Jesus said "TODAY, you will be with me in paradise". Just some thoughts for you to consider
When I think about these situations, I think about the parable of the prodigal son. The elder brother is indignant at how his father receives his brother. The father is overjoyed his son has returned. Often times we are the elder brother
Timely video. My little son's homeschool Bible class today was on Luke 15. Just because we are faithful like the elder brother, we can also rejoice when a sinner repents, instead of judging his sins.
Makes no sense to me. He's one of the hardest people to save, not the easiest. If Jesus somehow couldn't save him, it would still look pretty great for most people who are y'know not eating people and assaulting and murdering people including minors.
@@5050TM That's why you don't understand. You're not born again. Things of the word are foolish to those perishing. We are all going to hell. Jesus came to be the lamb, sacrifice for all of humanities sin. Hitler's, Dahmer's, yours and mine. One sin excludes you from heaven. Perfect like my Father is what Jesus said. You can't be, but perfect in Jesus. He died for every person...if they repent, acknowledge Jesus as God and trust in Him. Dahmer did that. He was born again. He couldn't get enough of the word and that's how you know. Because we all have that in common. If Jesus couldn't save Dahmer all of us are doomed.
@@5050TM Actually it's the other way around. In order to be saved one must admit they are a sinner...someone like Dahmer would have no problem at all realizing they are a sinful person. It is the people who don't think they need a savior because they feel they are a "good person" that are harder to save
I just saw the interview clip that you played where he said he was lost and turned away from theory of evolution and tan to Christ just a few days ago. It changed my perspective of him completely along with the fact that he took full accountability for his actions even though his father blamed himself a bit for his actions. It made me realize he was a lost soul whom the devil manipulated for his benefit to destroy the lives of others including his own. But God got him in the end. God can change anyone’s heart. I think that’s the real story of his life!
I think he’s in hell, he was taunting inmates which lead to his death.. a true Christian wouldn’t be taunting inmates so imo he’s in hell. God sees your heart you can’t fool God
@@anarchy1090 "a true Christian wouldn't be taunting " One of the most ignorant things I've read all day. Saved by the blood! You don't get to decide who goes and doesn't go GTFOH!
@@anarchy1090 ever heard of paul aka saul that murdered a Lot of Christians ? Go back and re read before you speak. You're leading many right to hell with that saved by works BS!
I didn't know that Dahmer made a profession of faith. He seemed sincere in his interview. The world looks at someone who is good deserving heaven, and those doing evil deserving hell. But we know this is not true. We ALL deserve hell. I hope that Dahmer did truly get saved.
Thank you for your powerful message. I do a jail ministry and have shared the gospel to thousands of inmates. It was great how you related the Paul and what he said about his sin. Thanks again! Jeff
I'm glad to hear someone talk about this! I saw his interview when he professed that. This was never shared to the public back then. We can never truly know someone's heart, but his words were so blatantly honest even down to him saying he's not completely free of thoughts. To admit a lot of stuff so honestly was a confession that the Bible speaks we all must do. I saw him say he believes in Jesus Christ as his Savior and he apologized to his dad for causing the problems. To me, I felt his sincerity more than some pastors and leaders walking around now. Jeffrey professed his salvation but we need to realize he didn't have time to walk it out and truly grow to show even greater fruit. We also need to stop acting like we don't know the spiritual world is VERY REAL. Jeffrey was so obviously possessed with demonic spirits that used him as a tool for murder. What Satan does after he uses us and brings us to a devastating end, is that spirit leaves (or stops) and our clear mind sees what we've done. Think about people that snap and can't remember what they did. Or even loose men that sleep with so many women because something comes over them and they just do without thinking. Jeffrey was used by the enemy due to his bad upbringing and brokeness....then when his body could be used no more, he was able to see himself. Consequences still come, but we can still repent and accept Christ as our Saviour.
His words seemed honest because that's how psychopaths operate. They are convincing. That's how they get away with what they do. At the end of the day you are speaking as if it's a done deal that Jeffrey accepted the Lord. It's not. No matter how sincere you think he is he could have been and probably was lying. But at the end of the day God is the one who will make that decision. That was the point of the video. This video is not a celebration of Dahmer's conversion. It is simply a reminder that God's grace is sufficient even for someone as evil as Jeffrey. We are not in a position to send him to heaven or hell.
Thank you for addressing, yes I had a hard time accepting this but our Lord did come for the worst of us and how could we deny the work of salvation in Paul.
Jeffrey Dahmer's sin is no worse than anyone elses. Lying and stealing will send you to hell just as murder will. God is holy and accepts no sin. All sin not forgiven by Christ will be judged and condemned.
Dahmer's old life reminds us of the horrifying extent of human depravity when God removes His restraint and leaves one to their sin. His conversion reminds us how Great God's grace is, and how sufficient the blood of Christ is. I hope his conversion is real. It's a great testament to God's great power to save the most wretched of us, to the uttermost
I told this story to people at the drug treatment I was working and I was mocked with many calling me Dahmer. But If he was sincere and believed, I would be happy to throw my arms around him and say "welcome"
I've read that book by Dahmer's pastor and cannot recommend it enough. I am absolutely convinced of Dahmer's conversion and am so happy to see this channel have the guts to cover this. Jeffrey Dahmer's story gives us two lessons: 1. Divorce is evil. His parents' bitter divorce emotionally destroyed Dahmer and led him to become a wicked alcoholic at a young age. (His killings were primarily done while drinking.) That combined with his secretive gay life is where it all exploded. (His victims were all gay, with many being prostitutes.) 2. Christians who have a problem with Dahmer being in Heaven simply don't view their sin as being that bad. There should be no controversy that a murderer can be saved. Moreover, Dahmer had nothing to gain by faking being Christian. He was sentenced to 15 consecutive lifetimes in prison. He was never getting out. When he was caught, he also told the detective everything and didn't try to get out of being punished. Unlike many serial killers, he fully acknowledged what he had done.
3. He was a Satan incarnate (along with Hitler et al). Satan cannot repent therefore Dahmer cannot repent. He was a MASTER manipulator that fooled everyone for a long time and apparently still fooling you all. He had the last laugh.
Agreed! May I say that the same people who are shocked of his conversion and roll their eyes at the thought of it are probably the same ones who believe they're a "good person". If only we used Christ as our standard for righteousness and not man.
I wonder how immense and painful Dahmners repentance was. I’ve committed sins where I felt like I was going to die because of my repentance felt so painful and shameful. I wonder if Dahmer felt the same?
The sinners prayer is a manmade heresy, The guy that murdered him did so because Jeffrey was using food to symbolize eating his victims, Jeffrey remained an unrepentant sinner till the end.
@@Jeffmacaroni1542 I'm glad you know his mind. Hope it doesn't betray you in the end. Don't underestimate the power of GOD and His influence, just because it hasn't been influenced you doesn't mean it hasn't Jeffery.
I remember going on lunch break and a news clip comes on TV about Jeffery requesting a priest in prison to be baptized for the remission of his sins. I was the only one in the break room and i thought Wow this is huge because God wants all to come to repentance.
It was not a Priest who baptized him, it was Roy Ratcliff, a minister a evangelist. Dahmer had been a Protestant since he was a child when his parents took him to church and also he also went with his grandma, she was also a Protestant. Haha sorry for my English, I speak more Spanish.
in 2011, my daughter did a stage play on the life of Jeffrey Dahmer. She showed his baptism and ended the show with the cries of the victims family members during their victim statements in court. I left that show fuming and as I walked to my car, the Lord spoke to my heart and asked "Are you angry because I'm good"? I got in my car and repented. God is good and we all benefit from his goodness.
I’ve corresponded with Roy a few times. He once told me that it was very difficult to get anyone interested in his book, and when he finally found a willing publisher he had to agree to co-author it with someone they’d worked with before. The idea that God would accept a penitent person like Dahmer is still revolutionary.
@@txsleepwalker6640 Most people’s concept of who can be saved is based off of how bad the sin is forgetting that one of the apostles was a murder just like Dahmer.
@@nothx512 It doesn't matter how bad Dahmer was, he was saved by the grace of God and his sins washed away. Anyone is capable of salvation so don't put yourself higher than anyone, I'm no better than Dahmer and neither are you.
I’m so glad you made this video, I recently finished the series about Dahmer on Netflix and was having these same thoughts as a Christian "Who am I to say who can/can’t be saved?" I do things daily that should condemn me but by the power of Christ I am set free, and if Dahmer truly believed that in his heart too then he was also set free. This video confirms what my Spirit felt watching that last episode. God bless you! 🙏🏻
@@residentjess heaven and hell are real!! If you don’t believe in them then how can you say that Dahmer is in hell when it’s a place that you don’t believe exists? Why concern yourself with it if you think it’s all a fairytale? Let’s say that when you die, turns out, hell is for real, does your common sense tell you that God will first show you mercy as an unbeliever that rejected His existence before showing mercy to someone that in spite of their wickedness repented and accepted Christ as their true Savior? The answer to that is a truly dark and torturous eternity of pain away from the presence of our Creator. I don’t pray you think exactly like me, I pray you may open your eyes and turn your heart towards a change. I send my prayers for you, I can’t change your perspective on life, only the Holy Spirit can work within us, if we let Him. God bless!!! 🙏🏻
@@mvg5165 of course I am careful, but being careful does not mean shutting yourself off from the world, because these discussions NEED to happen, there are so many people thinking they will burn in hell for what they did and will never be forgiven. If we as Christians can’t spread this message to them then who else will? it’s inevitable that a lot of Christians also consume secular media, we can actually use that same media to spread the Gospel to others that may never hear it any other way, maybe an atheist is looking for reviews on this tv series and comes up with a Christian reviewing it and then they can see a whole other new perspective they never even thought of before. If you’re convicted to not watch it then that’s great, that doesn’t mean every other Christian has that same conviction.
@@christisking777 I clearly did not say all media should be consumed, obviously I’m not gonna advice people to watch pornography 🤔 I wasn’t talking about porn, I was talking about a tv series which is very different, if you don’t want to watch it then that’s your choice, but we differ in that aspect. As I wrote before, if you have a conviction to not watch it then that’s great, but I have a different conviction than you in this particular subject. Does not mean we don’t share other views. Hope you have a good day and God bless! 🙂✝️
As someone who’s been a believer my whole life and someone who has studied Dahmer for almost a decade, I truly believe his conversion was true and that his life is a tragedy. When I die, I can’t wait to hug my brother Jeffery.
@@troig43 obviously it’s a tragedy that they had to pass. I wish I could go back in time and find a way to make it better, but I can’t. It’s just wishful thinking. Also, everyone talks about the victims and generally hate on Dahmer without sitting down and trying to figure out his psyche and why he did the things he did. I’ve studied several serial killers and he is the only one who seemed to truly regret what he had done, even until his dying moments. But I hope Jeff and the victims are in paradise, the Lord having forgiven them and giving them His grace.
If he was sincere we should be nothing but glad that someone with so much to repent for was saved. Never forget the older brother in the parable of the prodigal son who didn't rejoice with his father when his brother returned. We should be glad and we must rejoice with our father that he was saved.
I agree with you that it is really convincing when you think about your initial reaction to thinking of that man in heaven. It really is a sobering reminder of how grateful all Christians need to be of our salvation!
@@nothx512 you don’t know if he was sincere or not. Only God knows our hearts. If you don’t think it’s possible you are undercut the severity of your own sin and the power of God to radically change people
The fact that he was attacked after deciding in his heart he wanted to get baptised is an indication the demons were upset about a real change of heart. It happened to me, I had horrible nightmares after I became an orthodox catechumen and I had a knife accident the day I told my priest I was sure I wanted a date for my baptism.
I think it was gods plan for Jeffrey to get murdered shortly after his baptism. Almost like even though his sins were forgiven, he still needed to suffer more.
@@cuckertarlson3037 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 2 Corinthians 4:8-10 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:41-44
@@cuckertarlson3037 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee. Numbers 6:24 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. Acts 9:15,16
Thank you for a wonderful message. All our righteousness is as filthy rags. It feels my heart with joy to know Dahmer was saved. It gives me hope in my salvation.
After hearing that he was murdered in the bathroom, I feel that by the time I get to heaven I wanna search for him and give him a big hug.. I'm always glad that people come to Christ for redemption
What about his victims though?! They are the ones that need a hug not the evil man who has tortured and murdered them! How can this evil man be in heaven while his victims are in hell?! He took a chance of salvation from 18 people! I am sure you would not want to be hugging him if he tortured and murdered your child.
@@ReformedR Tell me what the bible says. Who is the only way? So yeah, they are probably being tortured right now while Dahmer is busy eating some fresh meat in heaven.
@@dazza8551 When Cain killed his brother Abel, the Lord God saw it and HEARD his cry. God hears the cries of innocent victims, rest assured that God judges accordingly. He also says that vengeance belongs to Him. I'm personally less concerned by the salvation of a dead man, his body has already decomposed. The survivors and victims are the only ones that matter at this point. God forgives and judges.
My wife and I watched the show. Its what you would expect. When i learned Dahmer was baptized, my wife and I both said "We don't know what's in his heart" at the same time, it was a couples moment. The movie was about the evil of Jeffrey Dahmer. Thank you for reminding everyone about Paul.
Have you ever met somebody who can breakdown the fundamentals of faith as it relates to the social issues of our day, in ten minutes or less? Yes, here! Bro Jon, amazing message. The tie in with Apostle Paul solidified it for me.
It's truly incredible to see that God is able to have such an unfathomable amount of grace and mercy upon someone like Dahmer. Honestly, it brings a tear to my eye to know that God is just that kind and merciful to people who dont deserve it at all. I have no words to describe how awe inspired I am at Christ's love when hearing this
@@davepugh2519 Hey, I just want to chime in - God is merciful to all, because Jesus Christ died for ALL sinners, which means ALL people. Atheists simply refuse to accept and receive the mercy of God. But at any moment, you can turn from your sins and your own way, and turn to the Lord, and you will receive the same mercy as any other person who has decided to put their trust in Christ. However, God's mercy doesn't mean that we never experience tragedy and loss. It means we receive salvation and gain a relationship with Him, and inherit eternal life. It means we become transformed into His image as we fellowship with Him through His Holy Spirit (it doesn't just happen! We have to seek that closeness with Him). Also, there are technically no "good people" as the Bible clearly states that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Yes, one can have morals and not do any crimes, but that doesn't mean we are righteous in God's eyes. Lying, hating, lusting, fornicating, not forgiving, not honoring parents, and not honoring God as God are all sins (there are so many more, but that's just a small list). Hence everyone is in need of salvation, no matter how grave or "light" one's sins are. When I met the Lord, alone in my room in 2017, there was no one there talking to me, or leading me in prayer. I didn't even know the Gospel. I just said, "Jesus, if you're real, take my life and do something good with it, because I'm done with it." Next thing I know, the Lord showed me that my whole life up until that point was DARKNESS. There was not one good thing in it (and I wasn't "the worst of sinners," although I had my fair share of wrong-doing). But I knew in my very soul in that moment, that Jesus is real, and that I need His forgiveness. After that night, I radically changed. It was a challenging and gradual process, but I was being molded by God Himself into a different person. God is real, and He is very, very powerful. But He wants us to come to Him with an open heart and with humility. "“Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them” (Proverbs 26:12). God hates pride. How do we explain God’s abhorrence of the haughty heart? Simple. God resists the proud because the proud resist God. Arrogance will not admit to sin. The heart of pride never confesses, never repents, never asks for forgiveness. Pride is the hidden reef that shipwrecks the soul. Pride comes at a high price. Don’t pay it. Choose instead to stand on the offer of grace. “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble” (1 Peter 5:5). Isn’t it easy to see why? Humility is happy to do what pride will not. The humble heart is quick to acknowledge the need for God, eager to confess sin, willing to kneel before heaven’s mighty hand. And because God’s promises are unbreakable, our hope is unshakable!" - Max Lucado. I hope that you will seek the Lord for yourself soon. He is worthy of being praised, loved, and worshiped. He gave everything for us. He loves each and everyone of us immensely.
@@jesus_is_the_way If not honouring god as god is a sin, I'm happy to sin all day every day. He is not real. You changed yourself, for which I congratulate you, but god had no part in it, except in your imagination.
It very easy for us to fall into the trap of comparing another’s sin to our own standard of “what’s good”… but when we instead compare all sin to God’s perfect standard we quickly realize WE ALL are broken and fall short… “for there is none good but God, NO NOT ONE”
So I watched the show on netflix, and at the end I was conflicted thinking about this. It's hard to think that someone who had done such horrible things could be forgiven, but at the same time I could never judge the measure of God's mercy.
I hope this was true. I’ve seen a couple of interviews and he honestly seemed confused by how demented his crimes were, and he openly said he didn’t like his homosexual feelings.🤷🏻♀️. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard about him professing faith in Jesus. We’ll find out one day if he meant it. Really great video Jon! One of your best so far! 👍🏼
Have you seen David woods testimony? He's not in the same league as Dahmer but he's a diagnosed psychopath who got saved. He says he still dosnt feel things like a normal person but he lives a full filling normal life with a huge following spreading the gospel. It changed him. His testimony was on the act 17 apologetics channel which he no longer runs but maybe it's still there
If we believe that only those committing extraordinary sins deserve God's wrath then we are actually missing the sorry of Noah and the ark. Do we really think that only 8 people were sinless and the story is about the animals? All have sinned and deserve righteous judgement and even those living in the days of Noah were the friendly shop keeper down the road and the nice old lady and yes all had lost their lives in the great flood. Noah and his family as well were sinners in the eyes of the Almighty God but favor bestowed on them was Ultimately so that the promised seed and redeemer Jesus Christ could come into the world at the right time to conquer death and the grave and to give us Salvation and a way back to the Father. The offense of the Gospal is that society wants us to believe that Mother Theresa for all her good deeds is in Heaven whilst JD doesn't deserve it. For none is Good but GOD. Stay blessed and keep on fighting the good fight!
@@wondering_stars_in_oz8462 Yup. I followed his channel for years. I think that testimony video is still out there. Maybe on the Apologetics Roadshow channel? I think there’s a few people that archived his videos on different channels. 👍🏼
Jeffrey is no more deserving of eternal torture than I am, and I prove that daily. Without the true display of Love Jesus made on earth by dying on the cross for all of us, I would be right next to Jeffrey in the fire. Thank you Lord Jesus.
Amen! Although I'm not sure we should use the word "torture", not that it's inaccurate, but i think it's LESS accurate and conjures the image of a vindicative, petty god with a magnifying glass.
@Beastbombshell it's true that anyone can be saved if they trust in Jesus but it's also true that some sins/sinners are worse than others. Note in Revelation it's the devil the beast and the false prophet who are tormented "unto the ages of the ages" not the old granny down the road
@Beastbombshell straight from the mouth of God Himself: “[“But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions.”]” (Mar 11:26, NASB) I pray God would change your heart, lest you perish in your sin. ““For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.” (Mat 7:2, NASB) If you're unwilling to follow God's commands and unwilling to forgive others, why should God forgive YOU? You heard it straight from God, if you don't forgive then neither will God forgive you. May the Holy Spirit soften your heart and fill you with the love of Christ.
Great video. I have often heard so called Christian radio hosts, and fellow Christian brothers and sisters , celebrate, and take joy in the deaths of various " bad people". Even laughing about how they are in hell burning. To me there is only one thing worse than gross sins like murder, and sexual perversions like child molestation. That is self righteousness. Remember the publican and the sinner. I would much rather be the repentant sinner.
I really appreciate the way you speak the truths of the gospel and scripture. This is no exception and so on point! Thank you for starting this conversation! It's one we all need to be reminded of.
I'm so happy u posted this I've been talking about this among my christian sisters. Some are in their feelings and feel he isn't saved because of his crimes. But as the Lord said all that confess with their mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and was raised from the dead, though they die, yet shall they live, all their sins will be wiped clean, and they are now a Anew Creation in Christ Jesus. I was a drunken alcoholic, a practiced and lived a life as a lesbian, I influenced that lifestyle, I was an adulterous women, a fornicator, a cutter of my flesh , an attempt suicide survivor, God could have left me to rot and die, and be damned but GOD IS ALIVE, HE IS REAL, THE DEVIL IS A LIER AND IM GLAD JEFFREY AND ME, AND PAUL ARE SAVED BY HIS GRACE AND HIS BLOOD. I LOVE U JESUS THANK U FOR SAVING MY LIFE, AND GIVING US A NEW ONE AND.. AN ETERNITY WITH U LORD. The LORD TRULY SAVES!
Ever since I heard the testimony of Margy Palm, I truly believe anyone can be saved. For those who don't know her testimony. She was kidnapped by a man who had already r'd and unalived 30+ women. She was next. She preached the gospel to him... At first he rejected her preaching. And he eventually, audibly heard the voice of God. He repented. He claimed that he felt that anger and frustration he felt his entire life leave his body. He was caught immediately after, went to prison and spent the rest of his life preaching the gospel in prison. I learned two things: That serial killer was dealing with demonic spirits that he kept succumbing to and that God really does have mercy. Jeffrey was in an environment where he was finally sober for a long period of time... And hearing the word of God. The docuseries was hard for me to watch. There were multiple villains imo. But being a Christian, I realized that I also might not be dealing with the same demons he is dealing with, paired with his tumultuous upbringing. I believe that's where that grace can also possibly stem from. God knows our lives from the literal start to finish. He sees what we can see and what we can't see. He sees the "why" in all our decisions. While I'm allowed to be discontent, I also hope his salvation, and belief was genuine. Because at least it shows us that evil doesn't have to be a permanent marker in anyone's life.
@cdr 777 I'm not sure! There is a possibility. I watched her testimony on Sid Roth. Some of the guests do end up writing books about what they went through but I can't remember if she was one of them. The serial killer's name was Stephen Morin
Is she the one who had to drive the car and she kept evangelising despite being in fear for her life.. but thought, what the heck.. gonna die anyways… something like that. I remember watching a real life depiction of it..
I am so grateful that you spoke about Dahmer's journey. I have held his testimony close to my heart after a learned about it few years back...as horrific as it is. I would have never thought I could say those two things in the same sentence. I also thought of Paul. Great comparison. I've watched your videos for a while now. I've tried to get my backsliddin' husband to watch as well. He's seen one with me. Anyway, I should have done this a long time ago but I want to support you and join.
@DiscipleDave DotCom I couldn't agree more. I'm not gonna lie it's been difficult to remember at times because it's been on and off for years due to alcoholism. Elder's wife that I had lunch with just mentioned same in her prayer before I left. Thank you reaffirming. I really can use the encouragement.
I remember my father telling me once many years ago. “What if you get to Heaven and you see Adolf Hitler?” And left me with that thought which has stayed with me. I come to realise, it’s not up to us who to judge, only the Lord has that authority and he will give grace to whom he knows that sincerely asked for it.
The Bible says the judge righteously and remember Mercy the only way anyone gets to heaven is if they truly have been convicted of their sins and repent it unless the father draw you there is no remission of sin you have to come with a true broken and contrite heart you can't be religion no religious person will save you be saved amen go to them that say good as evil and evil is good must hate to sin but love The sinner pray for him but unless the father draw them and bring conviction so they can turn and repent then they're lost you can pray to the sinner's prayer all you want but if you truly didn't do it from a true broken and contrite heart God's still going to have to deal with you and work on your heart and see you truly repent amen
@Beastbombshell what does scripture say? rhetorical. i would say go look at scripture. just because we don't want things to be a certain way doesn't mean its going to be that way. Adolf shot himself while biting down on a cyanide pill. im hard pressed to believe he confessed and repented. We get get a little taste of who Jesus is here. when we get new physical and spiritual bodies everything will be revealed. read 1 & 2 Corinthians if you want to know what God says about it. Shalom!
This video is EXTREMELY interesting (especially coming from a guy like me, who repented embracing secularist ideas in his youth and is now trying to approach our Father) you covered the whole ordeal very well!
I’m so glad you made this video. I was talking with one of my closest friends about this when you made this video actually, (didn’t watch till two weeks after you posted) but my friend goes often comes with my dog and I for walks and we often talk theology and both of us agreed that while we don’t know his heart that he appeared as genuine as anyone could, seeking the Lord continually meeting with a pastor to learn more, and trying to spread the gospel the way he could. I hope he was genuine and I believe that if he was genuine there should be no question in Christian minds that he could be in heaven and how comforting that idea should be. The idea that such evil can be forgiven by Jesus Christ through his death and resurrection and by His grace offers that sacrifice for our sins to us if we believe on Him should be a comfort to us all.
Beautiful video. It’s a tough subject but the way you created the contrast with Paul really hot home for me and made me truly think, and had a great discussion with my wife. I love your stuff keep it up. God has blessed you with an amazing wisdom.
Great video format. When you mentioned people not understanding how he can be forgiven, I immediately thought of kings such as Manasseh who did the most evil things and even sacrificed his own children to gods, but was able to find forgiveness before the Lord after repentance. Studying Kings/Chronicles was a great way to learn about God's unending grace. 🙌🏼😭
@@radwainnewby6743 I never said it was..... but most people tend to neglect the Old Testament, and since I did a Bible school it has stood out to me a lot more.
And the neglect of the Old Testament in practice produces a lawless, liberal faith; someone buried in the watery grave of baptism yet refusing to rise and walk in the newness of life. I smiled reading your input, don't mind me :) just provoking thought
@@ahdassa I also thought of how God wanted to save Ninevah because they repented, and how Jonah responded to God's mercy, he was actually angry about God being Merciful!
I can help getting emotional as I think of how Christ's sacrifice can cover the most heinous of sins, and of how his grace is so perfect that he would cover them.
Yeah. I remember the first time I really thought about Isaiah 53. Its something I still cant comprehend. Their are so many dark things I cant comprehend and yet God descended into it all. Anyway, have a great day
What about the thief that Jesus forgave while on the cross? This story of Dahmer, instead of making me think it's unfair, makes me thankful bc I am a pitiful sinner whom God can save.
When I watched a documentary on Jeffrey Dahmer for the first time, not really knowing who he was, the main emotion I felt was... feeling sorry for him. He was such a lost soul, he had a tough childhood, he didn't know better, he didn't have any example he could follow. He was a slave to his brokenness and the devil took advantage of it. Satan takes enormous pleasure in attacking broken people. I wouldn't dare judge him. He needed a genuine feeling. Something he never had. He was conditioned by the world to be the way he was and he himself couldn't explain where it all was coming from, therefore it would be unfair if he didnt get another chance. God gives everyone a chance. Let's not think we are better than him. By doing so, we shut the door to heaven before him and the door is already narrow. Each and every one of us deserves mercy and to go to heaven. We have no right to shut the door for other people. All we can and SHOULD do is help the lost souls go THROUGH that door. That's the mission we received from God to conduct on this earth is this life. That being said, yes, he was responsible for his deeds. I'm not saying he was innocent. But in this bigger context, the God context, he was not just the body, he was and is also a soul. I hope hope God cleansed his soul and let him into heaven. I trust that God did it. If Jeffrey got baptized and really repented and really had the best intentions from then on, that means all his bad deeds were given to Christ for which He had already suffered on the cross. That would mean the demon in Jeffrey was defeated and his soul was won by Jesus. Jesus gave him back his innocence. I want to believe it. What I deem quite fascinating is how Jeffrey was able to admit to every bad thing he had done. How many of us can truly do that and be so honest? Well, im just trying to see the good in everybody. He wasnt all evil. None of us is. He was lost but hopefully Jesus redeemed him. Hallelujah!
At First I thought,, This is the evilest man I've ever heard speak w childlike expressions. But I Believe becos No Evil Person could Profess the Name of Jesus Christ that Our Brothers in Christ Will See the Kingdom of Heaven💕
@MrWesdotcom you are not better than anyone. You were just lucky enough to be born in better circumstances, in a better home, with better genes, better influences, better experiences et cetera Namely the material part of your life was better so you had a better start and you also had it easier for that reason. Yet, as you and all of us are sinners, you and i and everybody else have a possibility to fall like Jeffrey did. And you would be surprised what you are capable of if a were put in certain circumstances. Read, for example, about psychological studies, of which there are many, what people who are generally "good respectable people" are capable of doing when given an oppprtunity. It is interesting and shows how we are not fully in control of what we do and think. But you should ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit because you clearly dont see beyond the earthly dimension. You imply you are a good human being. How is that measured btw? And Jesus said you do not enter the kingdom of heaven for your good deeds. Yes, they are important. But it's not because of good deeds that you become saved so "nobody can boast". In order to be saved and go to heaven you have to believe in Jesus as the Savior and the Son of God. And faith is not generated by you. It is given by the grace of God. God does it. Not you. In the Bible there were so many "heinous" despicable people who later converted and were changed and saved. Newly born. Remember that this life is a test so we can figure things out and eventually prepare ourselves for the kingdom of heaven and accepting salvation. Btw, I have heard about worse crimes than those of Jeffrey's. At the same time it is weird to compare each other’s sins. We are all sinful by nature, since we live in a fallen world and the prince of this world is satan, as Jesus put it. And without Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, we would all be worthy of dying because we are all rotten inside. See: you would be condemned the same way as Jeffrey would be, regardless how many more sins Jeffrey committed than you. It is only through Jesus that we become purified and able to live a virtuous life. We dont do that on our own. Jesus also said, and im paraphrasing, dont you dare think that you are better and more worthy than others. Concluding, being a "good human being" (and there so many definitions of it) does not get you salvation and heaven. Faith does. God sees further than you and I do. I recommend you get to know God better. Forgiveness is the key part of christianity. It is hard to learn but it is crucial.
I find myself struggling deeply in my heart with the idea of his conversion, mostly because I have a son and can't imagine what it must feel like to have to deal with that kind of pain. The unbridled hate one might feel for someone who murdered a loved one. I could only rely on God's grace to get me through such a trial. And in the end that grace extends to murderers as well. What a wretched and confusing world we live in without God's love.
I remember a case where family dissowned a relative, for forgiving the murderer of their loved one. The media reported that this person hugged the con, before his death....And family said "They should have thrown the switch, as they were hugging...!" Folks were amazed that I became a cop. I was brash and agressive. But the amazement was, " how can you handle NOT killing someone like that ! "..... It was duty and honor. Not self righousness. Later, as a saved person, I see how bad this world needs self control.
Paul, when he was Saul, killed thousands of christians. I don't see why you struggle with the idea of his conversion. If someone who could kill thousands could be saved, why can't someone who killed 17
For me Jeffrey Dahmer's story has always been a defeater for the type of Christian belief where heaven and hell are places you acutally go. I guarantee at least one of his victims was not a Christian, so he is in heaven and his victim is in hell.
@@baddad9171 there are two books you should read, "Heaven is for real" and "23 minutes in hell". Those are both real life testimonies of one person going to one place and the other person being shown the other. They're definitely real places. If you spend time with the Father, the father will show you heaven or hell.
right and there is no such thing as a good person - Jesus, who is not God, but God's son, is the one who tells us this and yet the religious people -Christ told us never to be religious -are the ones who say people are good
I'm no better than Jeffery. If anyone thinks they are any better, than I don't think they understand the sinfulness of self and the absolute holiness of God. To God alone be glory and thanks and praise.
Thanks for covering this! When I hear people say that God cannot forgive the worst of sinners, I always point them to Paul and David. These two men show the depth of God's grace and forgiveness and to me are greatest examples. It is something to think about for sure! Great Vid! Praise God!
Wow not what I was expecting to watch. Not gonna lie this was real hard to swallow about Dahmer but delivered so well. I’m saving this to reference the next time I get in a discussion of the sorts.
Thank you for your video....never heard of the story till I saw the trailer for the Netflix movie.....I live in the Caribbean. When I researched the story it gave me nightmares for three days....I grappled with the idea that he could be forgiven for such horrific actions....but Gods forgiveness is greater than our sins....and I'm a sinner just as he was...just in a different way......I hope he was sincere
I was happy to hear this, I never knew he confessed Christ. I was surprised to hear you say ppl struggled with this. This is a beautiful testimony of God's grace. Only joy is the right response; otherwise, how can we say we walk in the Spirit?
@@curiouslyme524 It's encouraging that you believe it was! Uncertain on my end but am very hopeful. It's a good thing to see people joining the family and loving the Lord!
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I hope and pray his conversion was for real. Something about it always seemed more credible than many supposed conversions of criminals and celebrities. ... What about Ted Bundy?
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We are all save by grace through faith and the meaning of grace is getting what we don’t deserve because of what Christ did at the cross. It takes a revelation from the spirit to understand this that’s why our heads have a hard time with this. You said it perfectly. well done. Christ is bigger than anyones sin!!! Where sin abounded grace much more abounded
So, maybe Hitler is saved too? Naw man, They aren’t. They crossed a line. So, what if Satan repents too? Then he’s in heaven too? It just doesn’t add up.
Of course, only God knows. 😢
@@couturedeana
What line is that? (James 2:10?)
When a murderer suddenly claims to be christian I'm tempted to think 'but are you really?' Then I remember that the bible says God can change the vilest offender. So at the end the end of the day it's between him and God. For Jeffrey's sake I hope he was.
This is the most intelligent comment on this thread.
I think Paul was a murderer as well. Jesus forgave him and had him write some of the scriptures we read. That should show you that anybody can be forgiven.
@@NoGutsNoGlory-s7x yes he was, he used to go door to door with mobs to arrest and stone Christians before his conversion.
@@juicyjfan somehow that seems different than having sex with dead people and eating them….
Yes and that's what makes God perfect. Something we cannot comprehend
I am a former Muslim from Egypt and I am now a Christian who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ. This is my master, my teacher and my whole life. I thank the Lord that I was freed from the Islamic devil and knew the right path.
✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Is it hard to be a Christian in Egypt? Are you safe?
I heard you have to find your faith in Muslim countries. Egypt is mostly Muslim. I would assume it's difficult for Christians
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Psalm 23 :4
@@gomer981 Takes a lot to change your beliefs. God is happy to have you see Him clearer than before. I have no hate for muslims personally i find the religion beautiful. but as a believer in Christ i see these things as religion and Christianity as the truth. I mean that in the nicest way :(
God bless Jesus is cominggg!!
Amen. The Lord is with you.
Wow… It took Jeffery Dalmer’s salvation to really expose what’s in our hearts as Christians. If it makes us uncomfortable that Dahmer is not in Hell, then we really don’t understand the assignment that God has for us. We’re supposed to be bringing souls to Christ. We can’t pick and chose who we want to make it into Heaven. God wants all of his children there.
Preach!
Christians should be comfortable with the likes of Dahmer in heaven.Fortunately I could never accept a belief system where a murderer is rewarded and a victim is punished.
@@baddad9171 and yet when the mob screaming for Jesus' death and demanding Pilate release a murderer in his place doesn't seem ironic to you based on your statement? We all fall short of the glory of God, this is the entire premise of Christianity and God taking human form and taking our punishment on the cross. We are equal in sin, but also equal in salvation. You seem to put God and his rules in your own box, but none of us deserve Heaven, and that's what grace is. If Dahmer truly repented, and accepted Jesus Christ, then he got saved from the pits of Hell. Noah was a drunk, David had an affair with someone and had her husband killed, Moses killed someone, Paul stood by while a Christian was murdered for his faith..everyone in the bible deserved eternal punishment and yet God still loved them!
@@magdalenem4949 I understand the premise, I don't think it's a good premise.
A non-Christian victim of his lives a reasonable life and goes to hell. Dahmer does what he does and goes to heaven. Count me out thanks.
@@baddad9171 it's not a bad premise actually. God is Holy, the concept is hard for non-believers to understand, but mankind it it's current state cannot co-exist with God based on this principal because we are fallen. He outlines this perfectly in Genesis when he warns we will die if we eat of the fruit. Jesus' sacrifice on the cross made it possible so that God no longer sees our sin but his son. The lifeline is free for all who choose Jesus. And the interpretation of "A good life" is you the creation interpreting and dictating your rules to HIM. That is not how it works. Even a white lie is a sin, sin even one can separate us from a Holy God. Jesus is the only one who did not sin which is the point if him taking on our punishment. The lifeline of Christ is a gift from him, you can choose to enjoy it without him but then you have to endure eternity without him. Basically like a wealthy parent who's children abandoned their parent: would YOU expect that parent to leave them anything after they abandoned him?
and the created questioning the motives of the creator shows how limited our minds are when we discuss the existence of a perfect and sovereign God. His rules, he is God and he doesn't want any of his children to go to Hell, but we chose to reject him and choose to live w out him on our own accord.
Seeing someone like Jeffrey Dahmer received by the Father in Heaven should bring us all hope so that none of us might fear that we've done something so bad we can't be loved by the Lord.
This. God's grace extends to ALL. In the sight of God, all humans deserve eternal damnation no matter how good a person you think you are. It wouldn't be perfect love or a perfect sacrifice if Jesus Christ's death could not atone for the sins of all.Thank You, Lord Jesus Christ for dying for all people. I pray that as many people as possible will believe in You and receive eternal life in You.
Amen.
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4
@@user-od8ph1kj1l So a 2 year old baby deserves to be horrendously tortured without rest, huh?... Fascinating.
well I've definitely not done as bad as him not even tiny bit close but ive accused God of bad stuff, ive cursed him out, ive ignored him fulling knowing he was calling me and even though I knew he was calling me to repent kept seeking to please others and myself and only would call upon him when I felt like I needed a blessing. now if someone would treat you like that I doubt you'd accept them back with open arms so why on earth would he accept me back and on top of that I don't even think he wants to listen to a word I say anymore
@@dylan6996 He loves you, that's why! He desperately wants a relationship with you and He will never stop trying to form one with you. You might not accept back someone who did that to you, but God will. His arms are open. All you have to do is open up to receive the love He has for you and let Him draw you near.
Everything you've done, I've done as well. But God hasn't given up on me and He won't give up on you. Just turn to Him, apologize, and let yourself be embraced by HIm.
@@creatingwithlove That is one of the reasons I left Christianity.
Brother, you've got me tearing up. I avoid studying men like Jeffrey Dahmer, or reading true crime. I don't need to know the heinousness of another man's sin since it is no more deserving of God's wrath than my own. I have never committed murder... but I've been angry with my brother and hated others. By the standard of our Lord, I am owed death. I receive everlasting life instead. Praise be to our Lord God.
Powerful!
You sound repentant. What is stopping you from being baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit if you have not already?
And in His temple all shout GLORY!
Amen
Amen! Lord have mercy on you!
When he said Jesus is Truly God, my whole body shook. Amen amen and amen
@C. Ray The devil is not a human being and cannot put his faith in Christ.
@C. Ray true but it’s mostly remarkable because he didn’t have learn that the hard way and wait till judgment day to know that. It wouldn’t be so bad to believe he was truly repentant and sincere.
Yeah the Devil said the same thing too
@@rayhann8626 He said it in the Bible.....the Devil was created....he knows his place
Jesus is God's son
Thank you for doing this video. I have been struggling with this. And I was convicted. As a Christian since age 6.....37 years....I need this conviction because I am still a sinner saved by grace, And though I have not committed the sins of Dahmer, I am still in need of Jesus' grace, and salvation. I. am no better than any other person on Earth, and The gospel is for ALL.
If you're in Christ, that's how God sees you! In Christ! A New Man! A New Creation!
amen
Amen!
I was a sinner, and I have been saved by Grace through Jesus.
Amen
I lived in Portage (where he was imprisoned) and did a service at CCI that he attended. He was very polite and thanked us for coming. It was actually surprising that he came to the service, because after the first attack he tended to not come as much for safety reasons. About a month later he was killed. I remember others on our ministry team struggling with the thought that he could be in heaven, but thank God for grace!
Sorry, a couple months later he was killed. After this many years the memories get hazy
I wonder if he was killed more out of persecution than for his crimes.
Howdy, neighbor! My old stomping grounds were just a few miles south along Hwy 51.
@@rochelleannette2362 very good point!
Thank you for share this story with us.
You're 100% correct (amazing take). We are no more deserving of grace than anyone else including Dahmer.
I know I am very thankful that the free grace of God reached down and saved me a rescued me from all my sins
I hope he got saved
Amen!
Amen 🙏
Amen!
If you can’t follow gods law do you deserve heaven? He killed Gods people you think that’s acceptable.
I’m glad to hear him profess faith in Jesus. It makes me think of how awesome and powerful God is.
Lmfao or a cop out because he knows he's fucked.
Amen. ✝️
Mercy that endures forever 🙏🏾♥️
God's love and forgiveness is more powerful than of us can ever imagine.
Amen! It’s encouraging to know that our God can draw and save the worst of sinners. It’s gives us hope as we stand in the gap and intercede for our unsaved loved ones.
Great video.
I'd like to say that most of our problems with seeing someone such as Dahmer as forgivable is because, often, we can place ourself in the role of Judge. If it were up to us, maybe there would be a cutoff to grace, or maybe it could be earned. Thanks be to God that His grace and justice supersede our own, or we would truly have no hope in righting our sins without the sacrifice of Christ.
We’ll said, Daniel! Thanks be to God that his ways are greater than our own
Amen brother!!
Spot on!
Salvation is of the Lord!! He will crown the humble with Salvation!!
I would also respectfully suggest that for those that have difficulty with Mr Dahmer being forgiven by God and that we cannot look honestly at the awfulness of our own sins: judgmentalism, self-righteousness, gossip, greed, ignoring the Lord, Etc
This is probably the greatest comfort that his father had, and I hope that someday they will see each other again.
Forreal. I can only imagine how heartbroken his father must have been to see this happen to his son but yeah, in Christ I pray and I hope that they both will get to experience true life as it was designed to be - free from sin and the various evils that accompany it - and that the two of them may be united and blessed through the love of the Lord Christ Jesus.
I can’t even imagine how his father feels about who his son was
@@VideosFromMyOculusokay but his parents were proven to neglect him from childhood and his emotional needs.
I remember watching that interview live when Jeffery claimed to be a born again Christian. I remember feeling such joy in my spirit and believing that he was sincere. What a testament to God's grace, mercy and love for us. If He can save Jeffery Dahmer, He can save anyone! Great video, thanks for making it.
So his non Christian victims go to hell while he gets saved. Seriously you're fucked up!
Very good point!!
He was probably lying. By becoming "Christian" he gets visitors for Bible study . Probably the only humans who never spat on him or threaten to kill him.
so no justice huh
Yeah I felt the same!
Since the Netflix series was released, there’s been countless videos reviewing it or talking about JD’s crimes. The only TH-camrs I’ve seen mention his conversion to Christianity have been you and Ruslan. It’s been completely negated from the story. I think this is a good topic to help us as Christians check our hearts and Bible about what it says about salvation. Although JD’s crimes were horrific, if he truly repented and believed Jesus to be his lord and savior, according to the Bible, he’s been saved regardless of how others feel about it.
Amen, I didnt murder so therefore I'm better, God sees sin as sin and we see other sins as worse than the "little sins" definitely a reminder to not be a pharisee and pray at least I'm not like that person but instead we all need jesus the same
Briefly Isaiah salvidar
@@zackstanderfer3406 Jesus said that to hate is the same thing as murder. I don't know about you, but before I knew The Lord, I had murdered many. I've watched the video about JD talking about Jesus, featured here in this video. It's very powerful, indeed! Peace 💜💗💜
Ruslan is a false teacher, pray for Him.
Isaiah Saldivar too has spoken on it
It's important to note that all the heinous acts he committed were as an atheist.
As a Christian he said that it is God who holds morality and makes people accountable.... (paraphrasing)
so essentially, the power of Christ turned a wretched man into man capable of love and decency. This is not an attack on atheists at all, but a window into Christ's transformative power.
Something to think about.
Yes! We shed our old selves and put on Christ
Hence why he was murdered in prison before his execution date as I've heard.
Well said, brother.
@@k-dogg9086 by a man who had a hit list of people he wanted to kill because he didn't think they were worthy of being called murders because of who and how they killed... man also claimed to be a million years old and to be the son of god 🙏
He killed 17 who were men and boys, he came religion after he got caught since most prisoners tend to turn to religion in jail anyway
I can see why people would be uncomfortable with Dahmer going to Heaven, however for some reason it makes me happy. Any one who receives salvation and sees how good God is make me happy. Someone as “evil” as Dahmer receiving salvation and going to Heaven also makes my faith in God even stronger. It gives us a small glimpse of how good God truly is. I love Jesus. ❤️
If he was truly a Christian. He will spend a good chunk of his eternity, sincerely apologizing to the victims and the families.
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@@wutm8we are washed clean and forgiven by the blood of Jesus
Lol @ how good God is to only judge someone on what they believe and ignore everything they have done while alive. That is not a good smart or moral being at all.
That statement makes me even more proud to be an atheist as I want nothing to do with a god like that.
B/C they are judgmental and full of hate ?
I have studied criminology for a couple years, and I remember the first time I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer gave his heart to Jesus. I cried. I remember being like, "Praise the Lord! Thank you Jesus for your immense grace and love for us that you would save someone like that." While I know that thinking that last part of "someone like that" isn't the right way to think, I always felt more hope and happiness of God's love for us as undeserving, flawed humans. It seemed to me to be an amazing testimony.
Amen
Creepy how the media would not tell his whole conversations. I remember a woman on death row, about to be executed....The media waited to see her fail, as she told of her salvatiion.....She did not break.
I thought hell was for people like Jeff. It shatters my sense of fairness to believe Jeff is currently in heaven and that there's a possibility one of his victims that never accepted christ is currently burning in hell.
Why didn’t Jesus save those victims?
@@SJulian007 But he did. He saved everyone. The turning point is when an individual accepts that free gift.
I get so sick of myself when I realize I’m judging someone or some situation- like I’m all knowing 😒
I do that too. But that's why we're in need of a Saviour 🤗
Judge righteous judgement - John 7:24.
@@godwinadjei2932 yep And discernment. Its one thing to judge she a person and say- they went to hell, or they should go to hell. God knows our hearts for certain. For example, I knew, loved and trusted someone for many many years. Then I was shocked to learn they were deep into witchcraft/the occult and using it against me... God taught me the hard way; "Lean not on your own understanding." Know that you're a fallible human being... And God is the only one to trust whole heartly. Otherwise- your house is built on sand, when you trust others, or your own thoughts/beliefs to much. Leave room for your own opinions to be wrong- "Gods thoughts are higher," Only trust the Lord Jesus Christ. He's the rock, the foundation, lover of our souls and our mighty protector... The days are evil, friends. Walk wisely. God Bless you all in Jesus name, Amen.
I hope Jeffrey was truly saved. I believe he was possessed by demonic entities, or at the very least he was heavily influenced by them. So if he accepted the truth that Jesus Christ is his Savior, I can't wait to see him in heaven along with all of the other saints. Praise God!
Amen @Sissy Rae
@@HagelBiscut well, it does not change anything: if He did convert, the bible says that God will forget his sin and he will become as white as snow.
So demons or not, the God we serve is the one that forgive.. even the greatest sinners. Remembering you that Paul was not a saint either.. he killed many people. He probably did some horrible stuff… but God redeemed it. So, let’s rejoice if He did. It does not mean we don’t condemn what he did and that we don’t feel compassion for his victims.
God wants to save everyone. The only one that can make you follow Jesus is God. Faith is a gift from God.
I would like to add that it does show how hard it is to follow Christ. Humanly, we can’t follow the law of God. Because loving your ennemy, and someone who did such horrible stuff is supernatural.
We as human want to condemn them. But Jesus called us to pray for our enemy. That’s mindblowing.
@@HagelBiscut Did you even listen to the video on who Apostle Paul was before he became a Christian? He killed hundreds of Christians before God changed him.
He was a reprobate
Crazy to think that if he was saved that his homosexual victims are in hell. Idk how that could possibly be true.
Only Christ forgives , I'm sure not going to tell Jesus what to do. I was a drunk and a drug addict, 39 years later I'm a preacher I spend my time ministering to seniors in assisted living centers, they know my past , praise God the past is in the sea of God's forgetfulness. Good message brother 🙏
wow! a pastor -I have 25 years sober. God is Good. But why do you say Christ forgives and not God?
@soulprosperitypioneers actually if I wanted to be completely biblical I would say by grace through faith, the Bible also says look upon the lord and be saved. But I say it that way to get people to search after Christ. And Jesus said no one can come to the Father but through the Son. Have a blessed day
@@wadeunderhile7977 Blessings
We need more conversion stories like this. It exposes our own self-righteousness and highlights God's mercy even more. I am reminded that the Pharisees judged Jesus for eating with the evil sinners. They were blind to their own need. They did not see their own wickedness. I think everyone can confess, that when they got saved, they felt too unworthy and sinful, and realized it was all by God's grace and mercy. Great job on this video
He was denied by the Lord Son of God. Son/Sun. There was a Solar Eclipse when he was baptized. Jesus rebuked him and didnt shine his light on him
Very well said
This is not a conversion story. You missed the point. We don't know if his conversion was sincere or not. The point of the video was "it's in God's hands and we don't decide who goes to hell. Yes God's grace is sufficient to save even Jeffrey Dahmer but we don't know if he was sincere or not so we shouldn't make assumptions either way."
@@sukhmandhillon8050 how do you know this o.O
The story of David amazes me❤ he was not only forgiven for murder but made a king 👑
You're absolutely right. By GRACE alone, through FAITH alone, in CHRIST alone 🙌🏾🙌🏾. Only a repentant sinner can truly understand God's grace and forgiveness.
Thank you for discussing this- it’s definitely hard as a human to fathom the depths of God’s grace
We talking justice as a good man that has not accepted jesus would do to hell while a serial killer that accepted jesus goes to heaven.
Well "he" is literally larger than life, so that kind of damage looks pretty small from so far away
Heaven is full of murderers & sinners
YOU are on POINT here, well said.
@@Elias.M92 hey Elias, yes I know what you are saying, but the important thing to note is that no one is “good” enough for heaven. We judge people as good or bad based on human understandings. Granted, bad is pretty obvious, but the “good” man hides evil in his heart too.
I’ve known about Dahmer for a long time but only when I finished that Netflix series did I have any idea Dahmer became a Christian. It was so shocking to me. It makes me wonder why so many outlets hadn’t showed Jeffery talking about Christ in the interviews so long ago…
I was very skeptical about the conversion, so I looked deeply into it. After seeing Jeffery’s whole process and how he acted along with his faith, I have little doubt now that the conversion was genuine. I can’t express how much joy that brings me! And I sincerely hope that for Dahmer’s sake, he really did come to Christ.
Why does it bring joy to you that a killer who killed 20 or so people is set free? What about his victims? Is there justice in the fact that his victims may be in hell and he isn't?
@@hello-kj9ff that's the gospel. All will be forgiven, a new creation in Christ. We all deserve hell because of our sin. There's only 1 savior and that's Christ and we accept the finished with on the cross by faith.
@@troyyakel2872 it's just ridiculous seeing all these youtube comments praising God for Dahmer's salvation without a single word to his victims. It's disrespectful and shows the arrogance of modern Christians
@@hello-kj9ff The video and most comments are specifically around salvation. What he did is reprehensible, evil and terrible, but this video isn't about what he did. This is about the grace of God, and yes, we should all be praising God for His grace. That's not arrogance in the slightest. It's hope that no matter what you've done, if it's God's will, He'll use it for His glory.
I feel for the victim's and their families and hope that they find solace.
@@hello-kj9ff You obviously don't know God, who created you, everyone and everything. You also don't know His Word, the Bible. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can know it ?" Only God can know our individual hearts, and I for one thank Him profusely that He changed mine, and opened it to His grace and MERCY. And yes, only God knows for ABSOLUTE sure the condition of Jeffery's and Bundy's hearts, and whether their repentace was genuine and they were born again or not. But if they were, I will "praise God that His mercy endures forever." and that they were snatched from satan's grasp and have eternal life with Jesus. MARANATHA !!!!
If he was saved before death, God continues to amaze me. I have family who reject my messages and myself when I share the gospel with them. My own mother says “go preach to the ones in jail or those who need it” and as much as it saddens me because of the fact that this is my mother saying this, at the same time when I hear of similar stories to Dahmer’s, I can’t help but to be humbled by such stories. How God can take a wicked person like myself and completely transform me and my view of life. Truly amazed by how great a God we serve amen 🙏🏾
I watched the series on Netflix. I was a little hesitant because of my Christian beliefs and thinking it might glorify the killings. I have always been a fan of horror and mystery so my curiosity got the best of me. However I thought they did a really good job of not showing a ton of gore and rather focused on the life of the man and his family, how he had grown up and also how the police failed. I didn't know about his Christian conversion and I was really pleased with the ending focusing on that. He didn't escape the wrath of God in this life, as he was killed in cold blood and that was a just end to his life, but he understood his sin and was repentant and will enjoy being free from his demons in the after life.
You made a really great point to note the Paul was also a serial murderer and was forgiven and is one of most respected Christians on history.
I pray that the Jeffery Dahmer story does reach the the most lost of the lost and helps point them to Christ.
Peter Evans deserves an Oscar for that series. I've never been so unsettled by a performance. I also hope he has his mental health in order because doing a role like that takes a toll.
Is it ok to watch it? I'm not sure about it.
@@Ria.ray77257 it's very mature, also very unsettling. It's basically a horror movie except true to life which makes it worse. Do with that information what you will.
I couldn't help but think he was possessed. He was very into satanic worship for a long period. I hope his conversion was sincere, God can change anyone's heart.
Agree. It’s overall a good series. I appreciated the depiction of his father, and of Dahmer himself. I always imagined Dahmer as a monster and in some ways he absolutely was. But I was surprised at how human he really seemed too, especially compared with people like Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez.
I had no idea he had been saved. I am speechless and so eternally happy. That is the power of God! I would also classify myself as a pretty horrible sinner. I can not and will not judge him.
Check out Tex Watson and David Berkowitz.
Tex started his own ministry and I think Berkowitz did something similar claiming God put him in a position to reach some really bad people in need of Christ.
You Should Try To Watch His Story On Netflix...
Nah, he "got saved" because he realized that he was powerless against REAL KILLERS in prison. They probably graped him also
@@macavalli2619 Huh He Was One Of The Worst Killers If Not The Worst 🤣 Like The Man Would Taunt Other Prisoners...
You Okay Bro... 🤔🤨
@@MichaelErnest666 he killed innocent people. Killers in prison kill killers. He realized he was out of his league
This exact challenge occurred early on in my faith. I had read about Dahmer, and when the end of the article spoke about his conversion mere months before his death, I immediately scoffed at it. God rebuked me then and there with exactly the points you mentioned; "Are you a better sinner than him?" - I repented and have come to understand that God's grace is sufficient for ALL mankind - the thief on the cross, Paul, Dahmer and even me!
Great message, Jon. We’re taught that we are guilty of sins of the flesh & the heart. I’m not a serial killer but I would be ashamed to stand in front of God and be held to account for a lot of the things I’ve thought in my life. Especially recently with all the madness in the world. The parable of the workers in the vineyard, Matthew 20: 1-16, always comes to mind when examples like Dahmer coming to Christ are examined.
Yup and I heard that sin is sin. So stealing or any simple sin is considered the same as one murdering someone because it’s sin but if you truly repent, and try to live a good life then it’s all good. So who knows if dahmer truly is a Christian because it’s between him and God
That's exactly what I was thinking when I was watching this, he is the worker who was hired last and his reward is the same. Many of us who have been Christian a long time see his reward and are jealous instead of thrilled for his salvation. Watching him profess that Jesus is Lord brought tears of joy to my eyes. I can't wait to meet him in heaven! I'm going to give him the biggest hug ever!
Do not forget that our lord Jesus Christ had forgiven the thief who was crusified by the right side of him for a moment of true repentance.
Amen! 🕊
Amen 🙏😇🙏
Glory to Christ
I feel like God orchestrated it that way on purpose, so we could have that scripture to point to that shows how radical Christ's forgiveness is.
There are lots of examples of this type of thing, where it almost seems as if God purposefully designed His word to answer objections He knew would arise.
Kind of like how it seems like reality itself was designed... Probably because it was ;)
I love that! The thief didn't make amends, did no good deeds, no fruit of righteous living but I believe Jesus wanted to illustrate that salvation is completely free for the worst of us! I love Him for that!
I believe the difference is that his repentance was not premeditated. It was genuine and in the moment unlike others who choose to sin and ask for forgiveness insincerely as a last resort to be saved.
I remember seeing a short documentary about jeffery quite a while ago, and I remember when I first heard about his conversion to Christianity I was actually happy for him. The Holy Spirit was working in and through my heart because even after hearing all the heinous crimes I remember thinking "Praise God, he came to Christ before he died and received salvation from hell". That was my immediate reaction, but soon after I felt bad because I started to think about the lives he ended before they too could possibly come to Christ. As I ruminated on this, I felt the dark thought creep in "does he really deserve to go to heaven" and the Holy Spirit immediately pressed on my heart that no one deserves heaven, we only receive salvation because of the perfect life Jesus Christ lived and His grace covers us and makes us worthy. On our own we are all covered in sin, just as much as jeffery. People like to separate sin like we tend to separate lies (big lies vs little white lies), but God sees all sin as heinous and evil and worthy of damnation. Once the Holy Spirit reminded me of this, I could once again feel peace in my spirit about praying that jeffery really was genuinely saved.
Thank you for making this video. I believe jeffery's potential conversion really should show people that the salvation Jesus Christ promises really is available to everyone willing to accept it. Praise God🥰
I know how you feel. I was deeply moved by his conversion and it felt like the Holy Spirit was bearing witness.
Yah very good points and normal way of thinking/doubting, but again you could say the exact same thing about Paul ya know.
I had the same thought. After the documentary I thought, what if all his victims weren't saved and Jeffrey was? I believe that God knows our hearts and who will come to him. I believe if any of those victims would have come to God at a later point, he would have rescued them from Dahmer. There were two victims that got away and I'm curious if they turned to Jesus at any point.
That’s the Joy of the Lord! 🙏🏼🕊
@@jessb.2073 plenty of his victims may have already been saved anyway too.
I was a student at the Memphis School of Preaching from 1993 to 1995. One of my instructors, Garland Elkins corresponded with Jeffrey Dahmer, playing a part in his baptism, providing study materials afterwards, and mailing tracts at his Dahmer's request to hand out to other inmates. I have copies of some of the letters if you are interested.
That's wonderful to hear - he obviously cared about others enough to witness to others:. By their fruits you shall know them. It's actually a remarkable sign that God changed him, as he was a psychopath (unable to feel empathy for others, notably his victims). Praise be to God
Why don’t you upload a video about it? I’d follow that
@@shadiafadulzarur3931 I'd be interested too. Definitely going to try and get a copy of Roy's book.
Yes want to hear what he said
Nice. I wish I could look at those
"We wrestle not with flesh and blood..." I think Dahmer is one of those examples of human brutality that defies imagination and displays the fact of the demonic at work in the world. But this also goes to show how amazing God's grace truly is. I was talking about this very thing several months ago and these same biblical themes came up, particularly the correlation to Paul. God often calls and uses the most undeserving people perhaps to confound the wise. Who else is going to reach those hardened killers on death row? In light of that question it seems a rather brilliant move of God, no ?
The Apostle Paul under divine inspiration also wrote: I'm convinced nothing can separate us from the love of God.
"We wrestle not with flesh and blood...." He didn't wrestle with it. He mutilated and ate it.
@@couturedeana The Apostle Paul before his conversion killed christians and thought he was serving God. He was converted, his heart was changed from stone to flesh and he spent the rest of his life serving God, being persecuted and beaten for it...wrote 2/3 of the New Testament in the Bible. I would say if he can change Saul to Paul he could change Dahmer. Only God truly knows those who are His. Either Christ blood, if we accept what He did and repent, turn from our sins...He promised we will be forgiven. Jesus said the to THIEF on the cross next to him...when the thief said Lord when you enter your kingdom, remember me...Jesus said "TODAY, you will be with me in paradise". Just some thoughts for you to consider
When I think about these situations, I think about the parable of the prodigal son. The elder brother is indignant at how his father receives his brother. The father is overjoyed his son has returned. Often times we are the elder brother
Jesus was directly addressing the Pharisees with that parable. May we not be the same today.
You're so right
If he can't be saved, none of us can
Amen!! 🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Profound.
Amen
Timely video. My little son's homeschool Bible class today was on Luke 15. Just because we are faithful like the elder brother, we can also rejoice when a sinner repents, instead of judging his sins.
My wife said how could someone like him be saved. I said if Jesus can't save him, we are all doomed.
Makes no sense to me. He's one of the hardest people to save, not the easiest. If Jesus somehow couldn't save him, it would still look pretty great for most people who are y'know not eating people and assaulting and murdering people including minors.
@@5050TM That's why you don't understand. You're not born again. Things of the word are foolish to those perishing. We are all going to hell. Jesus came to be the lamb, sacrifice for all of humanities sin. Hitler's, Dahmer's, yours and mine. One sin excludes you from heaven. Perfect like my Father is what Jesus said. You can't be, but perfect in Jesus. He died for every person...if they repent, acknowledge Jesus as God and trust in Him. Dahmer did that. He was born again. He couldn't get enough of the word and that's how you know. Because we all have that in common. If Jesus couldn't save Dahmer all of us are doomed.
Amen
@@5050TM Actually it's the other way around. In order to be saved one must admit they are a sinner...someone like Dahmer would have no problem at all realizing they are a sinful person. It is the people who don't think they need a savior because they feel they are a "good person" that are harder to save
AMEN!!!!!!
I just saw the interview clip that you played where he said he was lost and turned away from theory of evolution and tan to Christ just a few days ago. It changed my perspective of him completely along with the fact that he took full accountability for his actions even though his father blamed himself a bit for his actions. It made me realize he was a lost soul whom the devil manipulated for his benefit to destroy the lives of others including his own. But God got him in the end. God can change anyone’s heart. I think that’s the real story of his life!
I LOVE it!! Another win for Heaven 🥹💪🏼🙏🏼🤗
It is real. The brother that baptized him was a disciple from one of the churches in the Carolinas.
I think he’s in hell, he was taunting inmates which lead to his death.. a true Christian wouldn’t be taunting inmates so imo he’s in hell. God sees your heart you can’t fool God
@@anarchy1090 "a true Christian wouldn't be taunting "
One of the most ignorant things I've read all day.
Saved by the blood! You don't get to decide who goes and doesn't go GTFOH!
@@anarchy1090 ever heard of paul aka saul that murdered a Lot of Christians ?
Go back and re read before you speak. You're leading many right to hell with that saved by works BS!
I didn't know that Dahmer made a profession of faith. He seemed sincere in his interview. The world looks at someone who is good deserving heaven, and those doing evil deserving hell. But we know this is not true. We ALL deserve hell. I hope that Dahmer did truly get saved.
Isn't redemption and joining the light what we always hope to see happen to the lost, the hateful and to the wicked?
I was totally unaware of this, thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your powerful message. I do a jail ministry and have shared the gospel to thousands of inmates. It was great how you related the Paul and what he said about his sin. Thanks again! Jeff
May God continue to supply you with grace for this ministry. Thank you.
I'm glad to hear someone talk about this! I saw his interview when he professed that. This was never shared to the public back then. We can never truly know someone's heart, but his words were so blatantly honest even down to him saying he's not completely free of thoughts. To admit a lot of stuff so honestly was a confession that the Bible speaks we all must do. I saw him say he believes in Jesus Christ as his Savior and he apologized to his dad for causing the problems. To me, I felt his sincerity more than some pastors and leaders walking around now. Jeffrey professed his salvation but we need to realize he didn't have time to walk it out and truly grow to show even greater fruit. We also need to stop acting like we don't know the spiritual world is VERY REAL. Jeffrey was so obviously possessed with demonic spirits that used him as a tool for murder. What Satan does after he uses us and brings us to a devastating end, is that spirit leaves (or stops) and our clear mind sees what we've done. Think about people that snap and can't remember what they did. Or even loose men that sleep with so many women because something comes over them and they just do without thinking. Jeffrey was used by the enemy due to his bad upbringing and brokeness....then when his body could be used no more, he was able to see himself. Consequences still come, but we can still repent and accept Christ as our Saviour.
His words seemed honest because that's how psychopaths operate. They are convincing. That's how they get away with what they do. At the end of the day you are speaking as if it's a done deal that Jeffrey accepted the Lord. It's not. No matter how sincere you think he is he could have been and probably was lying. But at the end of the day God is the one who will make that decision. That was the point of the video. This video is not a celebration of Dahmer's conversion. It is simply a reminder that God's grace is sufficient even for someone as evil as Jeffrey. We are not in a position to send him to heaven or hell.
Oh my goodness! I'm so happy to hear he was saved! Ever since I heard and watched his case, that's all that keeps coming to my mind, I'm so so glad!
Very well done, I'm in tears at the unimaginable amount of grace given by God through his son Jesus.😭
Thank you for addressing, yes I had a hard time accepting this but our Lord did come for the worst of us and how could we deny the work of salvation in Paul.
Jeffrey Dahmer's sin is no worse than anyone elses. Lying and stealing will send you to hell just as murder will. God is holy and accepts no sin. All sin not forgiven by Christ will be judged and condemned.
ALL are sinners and NEED JESUS CHRIST! Salvation is of the Lord! By Grace thru Faith in Jesus Christ Alone!
@@TheJpep2424 Only if he repented
Dahmer's old life reminds us of the horrifying extent of human depravity when God removes His restraint and leaves one to their sin. His conversion reminds us how Great God's grace is, and how sufficient the blood of Christ is. I hope his conversion is real. It's a great testament to God's great power to save the most wretched of us, to the uttermost
I told this story to people at the drug treatment I was working and I was mocked with many calling me Dahmer. But If he was sincere and believed, I would be happy to throw my arms around him and say "welcome"
@Musings The love of Christ is beautifully shown in both of your comments above. God bless you both
Excellent video. It's really good to see Christians unafraid to explore these difficult topics - praise be to God.
I've read that book by Dahmer's pastor and cannot recommend it enough. I am absolutely convinced of Dahmer's conversion and am so happy to see this channel have the guts to cover this. Jeffrey Dahmer's story gives us two lessons:
1. Divorce is evil. His parents' bitter divorce emotionally destroyed Dahmer and led him to become a wicked alcoholic at a young age. (His killings were primarily done while drinking.) That combined with his secretive gay life is where it all exploded. (His victims were all gay, with many being prostitutes.)
2. Christians who have a problem with Dahmer being in Heaven simply don't view their sin as being that bad. There should be no controversy that a murderer can be saved. Moreover, Dahmer had nothing to gain by faking being Christian. He was sentenced to 15 consecutive lifetimes in prison. He was never getting out. When he was caught, he also told the detective everything and didn't try to get out of being punished. Unlike many serial killers, he fully acknowledged what he had done.
3. He was a Satan incarnate (along with Hitler et al). Satan cannot repent therefore Dahmer cannot repent. He was a MASTER manipulator that fooled everyone for a long time and apparently still fooling you all. He had the last laugh.
Agreed! May I say that the same people who are shocked of his conversion and roll their eyes at the thought of it are probably the same ones who believe they're a "good person". If only we used Christ as our standard for righteousness and not man.
Spot on!
@@missfizz2386 Like Beyoncé said you’re only sorry cause you got caught.
@@missfizz2386it was a fake conversion, he provoked the inmates who killed him
I wonder how immense and painful Dahmners repentance was. I’ve committed sins where I felt like I was going to die because of my repentance felt so painful and shameful. I wonder if Dahmer felt the same?
The sinners prayer is a manmade heresy, The guy that murdered him did so because Jeffrey was using food to symbolize eating his victims, Jeffrey remained an unrepentant sinner till the end.
@@Jeffmacaroni1542 who said anything about the sinners prayer. Just simple repentance bro
@@Jeffmacaroni1542 Pride is radiating from you.
@@Jeffmacaroni1542 I'm glad you know his mind. Hope it doesn't betray you in the end. Don't underestimate the power of GOD and His influence, just because it hasn't been influenced you doesn't mean it hasn't Jeffery.
@@haworthlowell805 Sorry bro but I don't follow counterfeit Christianity, The man was an evil viper till the end. Many witnesses have confirmed that.
I remember going on lunch break and a news clip comes on TV about Jeffery requesting a priest in prison to be baptized for the remission of his sins. I was the only one in the break room and i thought Wow this is huge because God wants all to come to repentance.
It was not a Priest who baptized him, it was Roy Ratcliff, a minister a evangelist. Dahmer had been a Protestant since he was a child when his parents took him to church and also he also went with his grandma, she was also a Protestant.
Haha sorry for my English, I speak more Spanish.
in 2011, my daughter did a stage play on the life of Jeffrey Dahmer. She showed his baptism and ended the show with the cries of the victims family members during their victim statements in court. I left that show fuming and as I walked to my car, the Lord spoke to my heart and asked "Are you angry because I'm good"? I got in my car and repented. God is good and we all benefit from his goodness.
That sounds amazing.
"Are you angry because Im good?" I love this
I’ve corresponded with Roy a few times. He once told me that it was very difficult to get anyone interested in his book, and when he finally found a willing publisher he had to agree to co-author it with someone they’d worked with before. The idea that God would accept a penitent person like Dahmer is still revolutionary.
Why is it revolutionary?
@@txsleepwalker6640 Most people’s concept of who can be saved is based off of how bad the sin is forgetting that one of the apostles was a murder just like Dahmer.
@@qcobbin not just a murderer. A persecutor of the Church.
Praise God, that He uses fallen men, to further His kingdom.
@@qcobbin But wasn't a liar, a manipulator, deceiver, etc....get your facts straight before making Biblical comparisons to a demon like Dahlmer
@@nothx512 It doesn't matter how bad Dahmer was, he was saved by the grace of God and his sins washed away. Anyone is capable of salvation so don't put yourself higher than anyone, I'm no better than Dahmer and neither are you.
I’m so glad you made this video, I recently finished the series about Dahmer on Netflix and was having these same thoughts as a Christian "Who am I to say who can/can’t be saved?" I do things daily that should condemn me but by the power of Christ I am set free, and if Dahmer truly believed that in his heart too then he was also set free. This video confirms what my Spirit felt watching that last episode. God bless you! 🙏🏻
Amen God is Good
If heaven and hell are real. Then Dahmer is definitely in hell.
@@residentjess heaven and hell are real!! If you don’t believe in them then how can you say that Dahmer is in hell when it’s a place that you don’t believe exists? Why concern yourself with it if you think it’s all a fairytale? Let’s say that when you die, turns out, hell is for real, does your common sense tell you that God will first show you mercy as an unbeliever that rejected His existence before showing mercy to someone that in spite of their wickedness repented and accepted Christ as their true Savior? The answer to that is a truly dark and torturous eternity of pain away from the presence of our Creator. I don’t pray you think exactly like me, I pray you may open your eyes and turn your heart towards a change. I send my prayers for you, I can’t change your perspective on life, only the Holy Spirit can work within us, if we let Him. God bless!!! 🙏🏻
@@mvg5165 of course I am careful, but being careful does not mean shutting yourself off from the world, because these discussions NEED to happen, there are so many people thinking they will burn in hell for what they did and will never be forgiven. If we as Christians can’t spread this message to them then who else will? it’s inevitable that a lot of Christians also consume secular media, we can actually use that same media to spread the Gospel to others that may never hear it any other way, maybe an atheist is looking for reviews on this tv series and comes up with a Christian reviewing it and then they can see a whole other new perspective they never even thought of before. If you’re convicted to not watch it then that’s great, that doesn’t mean every other Christian has that same conviction.
@@christisking777 I clearly did not say all media should be consumed, obviously I’m not gonna advice people to watch pornography 🤔 I wasn’t talking about porn, I was talking about a tv series which is very different, if you don’t want to watch it then that’s your choice, but we differ in that aspect. As I wrote before, if you have a conviction to not watch it then that’s great, but I have a different conviction than you in this particular subject. Does not mean we don’t share other views. Hope you have a good day and God bless! 🙂✝️
As someone who’s been a believer my whole life and someone who has studied Dahmer for almost a decade, I truly believe his conversion was true and that his life is a tragedy. When I die, I can’t wait to hug my brother Jeffery.
He was saved by a angel of God.
@@scopeneathskatehouse4720 angels can’t save a soul.
@@oopartsw911 only through god right?
What about his victims?
@@troig43 obviously it’s a tragedy that they had to pass. I wish I could go back in time and find a way to make it better, but I can’t. It’s just wishful thinking. Also, everyone talks about the victims and generally hate on Dahmer without sitting down and trying to figure out his psyche and why he did the things he did. I’ve studied several serial killers and he is the only one who seemed to truly regret what he had done, even until his dying moments. But I hope Jeff and the victims are in paradise, the Lord having forgiven them and giving them His grace.
If he was sincere we should be nothing but glad that someone with so much to repent for was saved. Never forget the older brother in the parable of the prodigal son who didn't rejoice with his father when his brother returned. We should be glad and we must rejoice with our father that he was saved.
I agree with you that it is really convincing when you think about your initial reaction to thinking of that man in heaven. It really is a sobering reminder of how grateful all Christians need to be of our salvation!
He's NOT in Heaven....stop painting deceitful analogies
@@nothx512 you don’t know if he was sincere or not. Only God knows our hearts. If you don’t think it’s possible you are undercut the severity of your own sin and the power of God to radically change people
The fact that he was attacked after deciding in his heart he wanted to get baptised is an indication the demons were upset about a real change of heart. It happened to me, I had horrible nightmares after I became an orthodox catechumen and I had a knife accident the day I told my priest I was sure I wanted a date for my baptism.
I think it was gods plan for Jeffrey to get murdered shortly after his baptism. Almost like even though his sins were forgiven, he still needed to suffer more.
Like literally. It was a last min to time thing
@@cuckertarlson3037 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 2 Corinthians 4:8-10
And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:41-44
@@stephenpeppin5537 thank you for the verses. Have a blessed day.
@@cuckertarlson3037 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee. Numbers 6:24
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. Acts 9:15,16
Thank you for a wonderful message. All our righteousness is as filthy rags. It feels my heart with joy to know Dahmer was saved. It gives me hope in my salvation.
After hearing that he was murdered in the bathroom, I feel that by the time I get to heaven I wanna search for him and give him a big hug.. I'm always glad that people come to Christ for redemption
What about his victims though?! They are the ones that need a hug not the evil man who has tortured and murdered them! How can this evil man be in heaven while his victims are in hell?! He took a chance of salvation from 18 people! I am sure you would not want to be hugging him if he tortured and murdered your child.
@Dazza85 how do you know he's victims are in hell? do you have the keys to death and hades.
@@ReformedR Tell me what the bible says. Who is the only way? So yeah, they are probably being tortured right now while Dahmer is busy eating some fresh meat in heaven.
It was a false conversion, he provoked those inmates , that's why they killed him
@@dazza8551 When Cain killed his brother Abel, the Lord God saw it and HEARD his cry. God hears the cries of innocent victims, rest assured that God judges accordingly. He also says that vengeance belongs to Him. I'm personally less concerned by the salvation of a dead man, his body has already decomposed. The survivors and victims are the only ones that matter at this point. God forgives and judges.
My wife and I watched the show. Its what you would expect. When i learned Dahmer was baptized, my wife and I both said "We don't know what's in his heart" at the same time, it was a couples moment. The movie was about the evil of Jeffrey Dahmer. Thank you for reminding everyone about Paul.
Have you ever met somebody who can breakdown the fundamentals of faith as it relates to the social issues of our day, in ten minutes or less? Yes, here! Bro Jon, amazing message. The tie in with Apostle Paul solidified it for me.
I believe his confession and have nothing but joy to see him in heaven one day!!
@Sophie_LOVE shut up yeah? You don’t know people faith or how there Brian’s work😑
It's truly incredible to see that God is able to have such an unfathomable amount of grace and mercy upon someone like Dahmer. Honestly, it brings a tear to my eye to know that God is just that kind and merciful to people who dont deserve it at all. I have no words to describe how awe inspired I am at Christ's love when hearing this
Maybe it's because human tragedy and suffering don't mean anything for such a powerful being.
What do you think about the fact that God shows no mercy whatsoever to good people who happen to be atheists.
Your stupidity is shocking..it really is. I am unsettled by just how indoctrinated you religious nuts are. Do you even hear yourself? Sick.
@@davepugh2519 Hey, I just want to chime in - God is merciful to all, because Jesus Christ died for ALL sinners, which means ALL people. Atheists simply refuse to accept and receive the mercy of God. But at any moment, you can turn from your sins and your own way, and turn to the Lord, and you will receive the same mercy as any other person who has decided to put their trust in Christ. However, God's mercy doesn't mean that we never experience tragedy and loss. It means we receive salvation and gain a relationship with Him, and inherit eternal life. It means we become transformed into His image as we fellowship with Him through His Holy Spirit (it doesn't just happen! We have to seek that closeness with Him).
Also, there are technically no "good people" as the Bible clearly states that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Yes, one can have morals and not do any crimes, but that doesn't mean we are righteous in God's eyes. Lying, hating, lusting, fornicating, not forgiving, not honoring parents, and not honoring God as God are all sins (there are so many more, but that's just a small list). Hence everyone is in need of salvation, no matter how grave or "light" one's sins are.
When I met the Lord, alone in my room in 2017, there was no one there talking to me, or leading me in prayer. I didn't even know the Gospel. I just said, "Jesus, if you're real, take my life and do something good with it, because I'm done with it." Next thing I know, the Lord showed me that my whole life up until that point was DARKNESS. There was not one good thing in it (and I wasn't "the worst of sinners," although I had my fair share of wrong-doing). But I knew in my very soul in that moment, that Jesus is real, and that I need His forgiveness. After that night, I radically changed. It was a challenging and gradual process, but I was being molded by God Himself into a different person. God is real, and He is very, very powerful. But He wants us to come to Him with an open heart and with humility.
"“Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them” (Proverbs 26:12). God hates pride. How do we explain God’s abhorrence of the haughty heart? Simple. God resists the proud because the proud resist God. Arrogance will not admit to sin. The heart of pride never confesses, never repents, never asks for forgiveness. Pride is the hidden reef that shipwrecks the soul. Pride comes at a high price. Don’t pay it. Choose instead to stand on the offer of grace. “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble” (1 Peter 5:5). Isn’t it easy to see why? Humility is happy to do what pride will not. The humble heart is quick to acknowledge the need for God, eager to confess sin, willing to kneel before heaven’s mighty hand. And because God’s promises are unbreakable, our hope is unshakable!" - Max Lucado.
I hope that you will seek the Lord for yourself soon. He is worthy of being praised, loved, and worshiped. He gave everything for us. He loves each and everyone of us immensely.
@@jesus_is_the_way If not honouring god as god is a sin, I'm happy to sin all day every day. He is not real. You changed yourself, for which I congratulate you, but god had no part in it, except in your imagination.
It very easy for us to fall into the trap of comparing another’s sin to our own standard of “what’s good”… but when we instead compare all sin to God’s perfect standard we quickly realize WE ALL are broken and fall short… “for there is none good but God, NO NOT ONE”
That was an absolutely awesome video. We are no more Worthy of the gift we have been given than Jeffrey.
Amen 🙏 💔❤️
So then that makes it clear that salvation has nothing to do with moral accountability.
@@tinman652 you're going to have to elaborate a bit more please
So I watched the show on netflix, and at the end I was conflicted thinking about this. It's hard to think that someone who had done such horrible things could be forgiven, but at the same time I could never judge the measure of God's mercy.
That's right thank God we aren't Jesus we ruin and condemn people to hell I'm so glad I'm not God
Thank the Lord for His mercy in my life.
I hope this was true. I’ve seen a couple of interviews and he honestly seemed confused by how demented his crimes were, and he openly said he didn’t like his homosexual feelings.🤷🏻♀️. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard about him professing faith in Jesus.
We’ll find out one day if he meant it. Really great video Jon! One of your best so far! 👍🏼
Have you seen David woods testimony? He's not in the same league as Dahmer but he's a diagnosed psychopath who got saved. He says he still dosnt feel things like a normal person but he lives a full filling normal life with a huge following spreading the gospel. It changed him. His testimony was on the act 17 apologetics channel which he no longer runs but maybe it's still there
Yet reprobates run in elections with nothing in their way... like Biden, Hillary, Sanders, Bush, Obama etc...
If we believe that only those committing extraordinary sins deserve God's wrath then we are actually missing the sorry of Noah and the ark. Do we really think that only 8 people were sinless and the story is about the animals? All have sinned and deserve righteous judgement and even those living in the days of Noah were the friendly shop keeper down the road and the nice old lady and yes all had lost their lives in the great flood. Noah and his family as well were sinners in the eyes of the Almighty God but favor bestowed on them was Ultimately so that the promised seed and redeemer Jesus Christ could come into the world at the right time to conquer death and the grave and to give us Salvation and a way back to the Father. The offense of the Gospal is that society wants us to believe that Mother Theresa for all her good deeds is in Heaven whilst JD doesn't deserve it. For none is Good but GOD. Stay blessed and keep on fighting the good fight!
What difference would it make if he wasn’t gay, he would have killed women instead
@@wondering_stars_in_oz8462 Yup. I followed his channel for years. I think that testimony video is still out there. Maybe on the Apologetics Roadshow channel? I think there’s a few people that archived his videos on different channels. 👍🏼
Jeffrey is no more deserving of eternal torture than I am, and I prove that daily. Without the true display of Love Jesus made on earth by dying on the cross for all of us, I would be right next to Jeffrey in the fire. Thank you Lord Jesus.
Amen! Let us all be so humbled to remember this. God bless you, Casey, and praise The Lord Jesus for His redemptive work on the cross for us. ❤️
Amen!
Although I'm not sure we should use the word "torture", not that it's inaccurate, but i think it's LESS accurate and conjures the image of a vindicative, petty god with a magnifying glass.
@Beastbombshell it's true that anyone can be saved if they trust in Jesus but it's also true that some sins/sinners are worse than others. Note in Revelation it's the devil the beast and the false prophet who are tormented "unto the ages of the ages" not the old granny down the road
@Beastbombshell straight from the mouth of God Himself:
“[“But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions.”]” (Mar 11:26, NASB)
I pray God would change your heart, lest you perish in your sin.
““For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.” (Mat 7:2, NASB)
If you're unwilling to follow God's commands and unwilling to forgive others, why should God forgive YOU?
You heard it straight from God, if you don't forgive then neither will God forgive you.
May the Holy Spirit soften your heart and fill you with the love of Christ.
Amen. Well said.
Great video. I have often heard so called Christian radio hosts, and fellow Christian brothers and sisters , celebrate, and take joy in the deaths of various " bad people". Even laughing about how they are in hell burning. To me there is only one thing worse than gross sins like murder, and sexual perversions like child molestation. That is self righteousness. Remember the publican and the sinner. I would much rather be the repentant sinner.
I really appreciate the way you speak the truths of the gospel and scripture. This is no exception and so on point! Thank you for starting this conversation! It's one we all need to be reminded of.
I'm so happy u posted this I've been talking about this among my christian sisters. Some are in their feelings and feel he isn't saved because of his crimes. But as the Lord said all that confess with their mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and was raised from the dead, though they die, yet shall they live, all their sins will be wiped clean, and they are now a Anew Creation in Christ Jesus. I was a drunken alcoholic, a practiced and lived a life as a lesbian, I influenced that lifestyle, I was an adulterous women, a fornicator, a cutter of my flesh , an attempt suicide survivor, God could have left me to rot and die, and be damned but GOD IS ALIVE, HE IS REAL, THE DEVIL IS A LIER AND IM GLAD JEFFREY AND ME, AND PAUL ARE SAVED BY HIS GRACE AND HIS BLOOD. I LOVE U JESUS THANK U FOR SAVING MY LIFE, AND GIVING US A NEW ONE AND.. AN ETERNITY WITH U LORD. The LORD TRULY SAVES!
Amen sis
@C. Ray am i the Lord? No. Only He knows, just like He knows YOU. And how you feel towards Him.
Ever since I heard the testimony of Margy Palm, I truly believe anyone can be saved. For those who don't know her testimony. She was kidnapped by a man who had already r'd and unalived 30+ women. She was next. She preached the gospel to him... At first he rejected her preaching. And he eventually, audibly heard the voice of God. He repented. He claimed that he felt that anger and frustration he felt his entire life leave his body. He was caught immediately after, went to prison and spent the rest of his life preaching the gospel in prison. I learned two things: That serial killer was dealing with demonic spirits that he kept succumbing to and that God really does have mercy.
Jeffrey was in an environment where he was finally sober for a long period of time... And hearing the word of God. The docuseries was hard for me to watch. There were multiple villains imo. But being a Christian, I realized that I also might not be dealing with the same demons he is dealing with, paired with his tumultuous upbringing. I believe that's where that grace can also possibly stem from. God knows our lives from the literal start to finish. He sees what we can see and what we can't see. He sees the "why" in all our decisions. While I'm allowed to be discontent, I also hope his salvation, and belief was genuine. Because at least it shows us that evil doesn't have to be a permanent marker in anyone's life.
@cdr 777 I'm not sure! There is a possibility. I watched her testimony on Sid Roth. Some of the guests do end up writing books about what they went through but I can't remember if she was one of them. The serial killer's name was Stephen Morin
Is she the one who had to drive the car and she kept evangelising despite being in fear for her life.. but thought, what the heck.. gonna die anyways… something like that. I remember watching a real life depiction of it..
Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.
I am so grateful that you spoke about Dahmer's journey. I have held his testimony close to my heart after a learned about it few years back...as horrific as it is. I would have never thought I could say those two things in the same sentence. I also thought of Paul. Great comparison.
I've watched your videos for a while now. I've tried to get my backsliddin' husband to watch as well. He's seen one with me.
Anyway, I should have done this a long time ago but I want to support you and join.
@DiscipleDave DotCom I couldn't agree more. I'm not gonna lie it's been difficult to remember at times because it's been on and off for years due to alcoholism. Elder's wife that I had lunch with just mentioned same in her prayer before I left. Thank you reaffirming. I really can use the encouragement.
I remember my father telling me once many years ago. “What if you get to Heaven and you see Adolf Hitler?”
And left me with that thought which has stayed with me.
I come to realise, it’s not up to us who to judge, only the Lord has that authority and he will give grace to whom he knows that sincerely asked for it.
The Bible says the judge righteously and remember Mercy the only way anyone gets to heaven is if they truly have been convicted of their sins and repent it unless the father draw you there is no remission of sin you have to come with a true broken and contrite heart you can't be religion no religious person will save you be saved amen go to them that say good as evil and evil is good must hate to sin but love The sinner pray for him but unless the father draw them and bring conviction so they can turn and repent then they're lost you can pray to the sinner's prayer all you want but if you truly didn't do it from a true broken and contrite heart God's still going to have to deal with you and work on your heart and see you truly repent amen
@Beastbombshell GREAT ANSWER!
@Beastbombshell what does scripture say? rhetorical. i would say go look at scripture. just because we don't want things to be a certain way doesn't mean its going to be that way. Adolf shot himself while biting down on a cyanide pill. im hard pressed to believe he confessed and repented.
We get get a little taste of who Jesus is here. when we get new physical and spiritual bodies everything will be revealed. read 1 & 2 Corinthians if you want to know what God says about it. Shalom!
This video is EXTREMELY interesting (especially coming from a guy like me, who repented embracing secularist ideas in his youth and is now trying to approach our Father) you covered the whole ordeal very well!
God bless you bro
I’m so glad you made this video. I was talking with one of my closest friends about this when you made this video actually, (didn’t watch till two weeks after you posted) but my friend goes often comes with my dog and I for walks and we often talk theology and both of us agreed that while we don’t know his heart that he appeared as genuine as anyone could, seeking the Lord continually meeting with a pastor to learn more, and trying to spread the gospel the way he could. I hope he was genuine and I believe that if he was genuine there should be no question in Christian minds that he could be in heaven and how comforting that idea should be. The idea that such evil can be forgiven by Jesus Christ through his death and resurrection and by His grace offers that sacrifice for our sins to us if we believe on Him should be a comfort to us all.
Beautiful video. It’s a tough subject but the way you created the contrast with Paul really hot home for me and made me truly think, and had a great discussion with my wife. I love your stuff keep it up. God has blessed you with an amazing wisdom.
Great video format. When you mentioned people not understanding how he can be forgiven, I immediately thought of kings such as Manasseh who did the most evil things and even sacrificed his own children to gods, but was able to find forgiveness before the Lord after repentance. Studying Kings/Chronicles was a great way to learn about God's unending grace. 🙌🏼😭
Grace isn't only a new testament concept..?
@@radwainnewby6743 I never said it was..... but most people tend to neglect the Old Testament, and since I did a Bible school it has stood out to me a lot more.
And the neglect of the Old Testament in practice produces a lawless, liberal faith; someone buried in the watery grave of baptism yet refusing to rise and walk in the newness of life. I smiled reading your input, don't mind me :) just provoking thought
@@ahdassa I also thought of how God wanted to save Ninevah because they repented, and how Jonah responded to God's mercy, he was actually angry about God being Merciful!
I can help getting emotional as I think of how Christ's sacrifice can cover the most heinous of sins, and of how his grace is so perfect that he would cover them.
Yeah. I remember the first time I really thought about Isaiah 53. Its something I still cant comprehend. Their are so many dark things I cant comprehend and yet God descended into it all.
Anyway, have a great day
I like that his father still showed concern about whether he would go to hell or not.
What about the thief that Jesus forgave while on the cross?
This story of Dahmer, instead of making me think it's unfair, makes me thankful bc I am a pitiful sinner whom God can save.
When I watched a documentary on Jeffrey Dahmer for the first time, not really knowing who he was, the main emotion I felt was... feeling sorry for him. He was such a lost soul, he had a tough childhood, he didn't know better, he didn't have any example he could follow. He was a slave to his brokenness and the devil took advantage of it. Satan takes enormous pleasure in attacking broken people. I wouldn't dare judge him. He needed a genuine feeling. Something he never had. He was conditioned by the world to be the way he was and he himself couldn't explain where it all was coming from, therefore it would be unfair if he didnt get another chance. God gives everyone a chance.
Let's not think we are better than him. By doing so, we shut the door to heaven before him and the door is already narrow. Each and every one of us deserves mercy and to go to heaven. We have no right to shut the door for other people. All we can and SHOULD do is help the lost souls go THROUGH that door. That's the mission we received from God to conduct on this earth is this life.
That being said, yes, he was responsible for his deeds. I'm not saying he was innocent. But in this bigger context, the God context, he was not just the body, he was and is also a soul. I hope hope God cleansed his soul and let him into heaven. I trust that God did it. If Jeffrey got baptized and really repented and really had the best intentions from then on, that means all his bad deeds were given to Christ for which He had already suffered on the cross. That would mean the demon in Jeffrey was defeated and his soul was won by Jesus. Jesus gave him back his innocence. I want to believe it.
What I deem quite fascinating is how Jeffrey was able to admit to every bad thing he had done. How many of us can truly do that and be so honest? Well, im just trying to see the good in everybody. He wasnt all evil. None of us is. He was lost but hopefully Jesus redeemed him. Hallelujah!
At First I thought,, This is the evilest man I've ever heard speak w childlike expressions. But I Believe becos No Evil Person could Profess the Name of Jesus Christ that Our Brothers in Christ Will See the Kingdom of Heaven💕
Amen
@MrWesdotcom you are not better than anyone. You were just lucky enough to be born in better circumstances, in a better home, with better genes, better influences, better experiences et cetera Namely the material part of your life was better so you had a better start and you also had it easier for that reason. Yet, as you and all of us are sinners, you and i and everybody else have a possibility to fall like Jeffrey did. And you would be surprised what you are capable of if a were put in certain circumstances. Read, for example, about psychological studies, of which there are many, what people who are generally "good respectable people" are capable of doing when given an oppprtunity. It is interesting and shows how we are not fully in control of what we do and think.
But you should ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit because you clearly dont see beyond the earthly dimension.
You imply you are a good human being. How is that measured btw? And Jesus said you do not enter the kingdom of heaven for your good deeds. Yes, they are important. But it's not because of good deeds that you become saved so "nobody can boast". In order to be saved and go to heaven you have to believe in Jesus as the Savior and the Son of God. And faith is not generated by you. It is given by the grace of God. God does it. Not you.
In the Bible there were so many "heinous" despicable people who later converted and were changed and saved. Newly born. Remember that this life is a test so we can figure things out and eventually prepare ourselves for the kingdom of heaven and accepting salvation.
Btw, I have heard about worse crimes than those of Jeffrey's. At the same time it is weird to compare each other’s sins. We are all sinful by nature, since we live in a fallen world and the prince of this world is satan, as Jesus put it. And without Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, we would all be worthy of dying because we are all rotten inside. See: you would be condemned the same way as Jeffrey would be, regardless how many more sins Jeffrey committed than you. It is only through Jesus that we become purified and able to live a virtuous life. We dont do that on our own.
Jesus also said, and im paraphrasing, dont you dare think that you are better and more worthy than others.
Concluding, being a "good human being" (and there so many definitions of it) does not get you salvation and heaven. Faith does. God sees further than you and I do. I recommend you get to know God better. Forgiveness is the key part of christianity. It is hard to learn but it is crucial.
@MrWesdotcom all sin is equal in the eyes of God.
@@riam184 That is an asinine comment. A basic sin like a little white lie is no where near a devil incarnate like Dahmer.
I find myself struggling deeply in my heart with the idea of his conversion, mostly because I have a son and can't imagine what it must feel like to have to deal with that kind of pain. The unbridled hate one might feel for someone who murdered a loved one. I could only rely on God's grace to get me through such a trial. And in the end that grace extends to murderers as well. What a wretched and confusing world we live in without God's love.
I remember a case where family dissowned a relative, for forgiving the murderer of their loved one. The media reported that this person hugged the con, before his death....And family said "They should have thrown the switch, as they were hugging...!"
Folks were amazed that I became a cop. I was brash and agressive. But the amazement was, " how can you handle NOT killing someone like that ! ".....
It was duty and honor. Not self righousness.
Later, as a saved person, I see how bad this world needs self control.
Paul, when he was Saul, killed thousands of christians. I don't see why you struggle with the idea of his conversion. If someone who could kill thousands could be saved, why can't someone who killed 17
For me Jeffrey Dahmer's story has always been a defeater for the type of Christian belief where heaven and hell are places you acutally go. I guarantee at least one of his victims was not a Christian, so he is in heaven and his victim is in hell.
Well I’d rather have a sorry hearted murderer than one who didn’t care at all. I’m sure God will know what he’s doing
@@baddad9171 there are two books you should read, "Heaven is for real" and "23 minutes in hell". Those are both real life testimonies of one person going to one place and the other person being shown the other.
They're definitely real places. If you spend time with the Father, the father will show you heaven or hell.
This the problem, most Christian think salvation is only for good people.
right and there is no such thing as a good person - Jesus, who is not God, but God's son, is the one who tells us this and yet the religious people -Christ told us never to be religious -are the ones who say people are good
I actually hope he was sincere in his repentance. Who am I to judge anyone, including him.
I'm no better than Jeffery. If anyone thinks they are any better, than I don't think they understand the sinfulness of self and the absolute holiness of God. To God alone be glory and thanks and praise.
Amen brother! God's Grace is absolutely AMAZING!
Thanks for covering this! When I hear people say that God cannot forgive the worst of sinners, I always point them to Paul and David. These two men show the depth of God's grace and forgiveness and to me are greatest examples. It is something to think about for sure! Great Vid! Praise God!
Do you know who the worst sinner is?.... me.......But now through Jesus Christ I'm saved by grace.....glory to God.
Wow not what I was expecting to watch. Not gonna lie this was real hard to swallow about Dahmer but delivered so well. I’m saving this to reference the next time I get in a discussion of the sorts.
Yes I was thinking of Paul too thank God 🙌🏾🙌🏾 for his grace. This coverage is awesome thank you
Jesus came to save the sick not the well. Where would my life be without Christ?
Yessssssssss
A friend of mine went to church with his dad in Cuyahoga Falls Ohio. She said his dad was part of his conversion experience and he indeed got saved.
Thank you for your video....never heard of the story till I saw the trailer for the Netflix movie.....I live in the Caribbean. When I researched the story it gave me nightmares for three days....I grappled with the idea that he could be forgiven for such horrific actions....but Gods forgiveness is greater than our sins....and I'm a sinner just as he was...just in a different way......I hope he was sincere
I was happy to hear this, I never knew he confessed Christ. I was surprised to hear you say ppl struggled with this. This is a beautiful testimony of God's grace. Only joy is the right response; otherwise, how can we say we walk in the Spirit?
This was so well done. Thank you, I had no idea of his conversion and I pray it was authentic.
I believe it was.
@@curiouslyme524 It's encouraging that you believe it was! Uncertain on my end but am very hopeful. It's a good thing to see people joining the family and loving the Lord!
I'm encouraged by this. I wish there was more about his remorse, or perhaps his admonition to others to repent.