Absolutely agree, Kelly. A very balanced interview showing the genius of JB & his wonderful balancing of conversational smarts & humour. I find him so engaging at all levels!
Fantastic conversation, Joscha is a fast thinker and he speaks even faster, that’s why many people I believe have difficulty grasping his concepts. The host was fantastically moderating the conversation and was able to ask super interesting questions. All in all I hope for more, from both gentlemen’s in future, thank you 🙏
Meaning is like the ring of power.... you have to carry it to stay alive but if you depend on it too much it will destroy you. I love this metaphor so much.
I agree, this is one of the deepest interviews of Nach and I have great respect for his intellect. The only thing that I find quite irritating and really incoherent is his frequent reference to the brain as a physical thing and and also conflating it with the mind, wherein he generally points out that all what we conditionally understand as matter is a mentally reprehension of a state or a function to allow us to navigate this virtual environment. This would therefore also include the brain and can hereby not explain how our experiences are generated but only how we try to find a way to explain and give rational meaning to them. I know this is a mouthful, but I somehow always found this to be incoherent and circular in argumentation.
From the life experience that my dog has had with the Postman, he has in his brain a Biography of the Postman. By the way, his brain also manages a biography of me. When I get home and when he sees me, he perceives that I am in a bad mood, "conveniently" memories are activated in his brain that, forming part of the biography that he has of me, allow him to project eventual future states, and he stays away from me. I usually don't show up in a bad mood, and then he pounces on me and howls with joy. The adult brain manages multiple biographies. Unlike my dog's brain, not all the biographies my brain manages correspond to “material” entities. Indeed, I still have, after many decades, a coherent biography of Little Red Hood. The most relevant biography that my brain administers is the one that is generated in childhood, with the learning of language, and that arises as a consequence of what those around me say about me. Said entity is what we know as the Being, whose action is “conscious action”. If you want to know more details, please let me know.
If everything is just a matter of perspective and there's no meaning then "colors are not real" are just words. Just a symbol sequence that sometimes reemerges again and again. Same as "colors are real". There's no need to give them any meaning because any meaning is an illusion aka false. They can be neither true nor false. They can be transformed to to either "true" or "false", and some transformations do the former and some by latter but they can't "be" "true" or "false". They clearly "aren't", their ascii codes are different. 1. What are the transformations that compare these strings to "true"? 2. What's the minimal difference between them? 3. Are there transformations that convert them both to "true"? 4. What do these look like?
Nice. Josha's doing well. So far he knows a bit of everything on everything. He knows Descartes real and virtual partition of the world but as yet does not know why it is so. He is on the tarmac ready for takeoff but does not know whether to trust the altitude instruments. That is, he is stuck in the basic weakness of philosophy that does not allow him to say that he knows the earth is flat but instead prefers to think the flatness could be the result of some mind projections or impressions or even illusion. Yet this world is thick of lies and deceptions the likes of the shape of the universe subject to unproven gravitation or the physical nature of light that is supposed to push things. So he is growing in the midst of weeds unable to know what is chaff and what is wheat. As it stands he cannot create for it is the truth he needs to build on. Perhaps Harvard has a bigger pull than the night college.
This is one of the best interviews I've heard with Bach, and I've gobbled up most of them multiple times. Thank you.
Absolutely agree, Kelly. A very balanced interview showing the genius of JB & his wonderful balancing of conversational smarts & humour. I find him so engaging at all levels!
And did you took some notes ?
@@jeanrenetournecuillert2449 yes I have some. Lmk if you’d like me to send along.
Came to the comments to say this.
@@kellyblaser would love those notes if you are willing to share!
Fantastic conversation, Joscha is a fast thinker and he speaks even faster, that’s why many people I believe have difficulty grasping his concepts. The host was fantastically moderating the conversation and was able to ask super interesting questions. All in all I hope for more, from both gentlemen’s in future, thank you 🙏
One of the best interviews of Joscha Bach. I found this podcast episode because I'm one of his biggest fans and am trying to listen to them all 🙌❤😄
Me too!! 😊
Once you get hooked….
Listening to Josha is one of my greatest intellectual pleasures, Thank you for a great interview.
A very nice talk. World needs more Joscha.
Thank you, this is one wonderful interview, and you seemed to really connect with Joscha Bach! Bring him back one day if possible!
Joscha Bach is such a brilliant intellect. Thank you for this.
One of the more interesting Joscha Bach interviews of recent, thanks for sharing it
Thanks! So enjoyed the dialogue with Joscha. 😊
I love the story about how he didn‘t get that his dad just let him grow up by its own. Very good father!
Oh thank god for your mellow voices. Was acquiring ptsd from trying to listen to other JB interviews. 💕
the intro music is pretty good
Meaning is like the ring of power.... you have to carry it to stay alive but if you depend on it too much it will destroy you. I love this metaphor so much.
I get this genius, how liberating!
Thank you both so much.
Well done on the best interview with joscha so far!
I agree, this is one of the deepest interviews of Nach and I have great respect for his intellect. The only thing that I find quite irritating and really incoherent is his frequent reference to the brain as a physical thing and and also conflating it with the mind, wherein he generally points out that all what we conditionally understand as matter is a mentally reprehension of a state or a function to allow us to navigate this virtual environment. This would therefore also include the brain and can hereby not explain how our experiences are generated but only how we try to find a way to explain and give rational meaning to them.
I know this is a mouthful, but I somehow always found this to be incoherent and circular in argumentation.
Mind, needs: 52:00
God: 54:05
From the life experience that my dog has had with the Postman, he has in his brain a Biography of the Postman. By the way, his brain also manages a biography of me. When I get home and when he sees me, he perceives that I am in a bad mood, "conveniently" memories are activated in his brain that, forming part of the biography that he has of me, allow him to project eventual future states, and he stays away from me. I usually don't show up in a bad mood, and then he pounces on me and howls with joy.
The adult brain manages multiple biographies. Unlike my dog's brain, not all the biographies my brain manages correspond to “material” entities. Indeed, I still have, after many decades, a coherent biography of Little Red Hood.
The most relevant biography that my brain administers is the one that is generated in childhood, with the learning of language, and that arises as a consequence of what those around me say about me. Said entity is what we know as the Being, whose action is “conscious action”.
If you want to know more details, please let me know.
Babel tower into creativity. You can start from whatever point.
Hi, thanks for uploading this information and wisdom!
Fantastic conversation, apart from finding out that we are essentially just yeast!
Yeast that makes beautiful art
Bach!
If everything is just a matter of perspective and there's no meaning then "colors are not real" are just words. Just a symbol sequence that sometimes reemerges again and again. Same as "colors are real". There's no need to give them any meaning because any meaning is an illusion aka false. They can be neither true nor false. They can be transformed to to either "true" or "false", and some transformations do the former and some by latter but they can't "be" "true" or "false". They clearly "aren't", their ascii codes are different.
1. What are the transformations that compare these strings to "true"?
2. What's the minimal difference between them?
3. Are there transformations that convert them both to "true"?
4. What do these look like?
Is it something technical or is it that Joscha's voice pitch is lowered by Michael's influence?
what is the opening music ??
omg finally found it: crossing abyss by peter baumann
Ahhhh yes this is a good one happy brain
What is the intro music?
I want a discord server for JB fans!
If something dissappear never exists...what can I do more for you.)
After the seventh listening, I now realize that Bach is right. There is no meaning. Now, the reality of suicide has been granted permission.
🤔
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Nice. Josha's doing well. So far he knows a bit of everything on everything. He knows Descartes real and virtual partition of the world but as yet does not know why it is so. He is on the tarmac ready for takeoff but does not know whether to trust the altitude instruments. That is, he is stuck in the basic weakness of philosophy that does not allow him to say that he knows the earth is flat but instead prefers to think the flatness could be the result of some mind projections or impressions or even illusion. Yet this world is thick of lies and deceptions the likes of the shape of the universe subject to unproven gravitation or the physical nature of light that is supposed to push things. So he is growing in the midst of weeds unable to know what is chaff and what is wheat. As it stands he cannot create for it is the truth he needs to build on. Perhaps Harvard has a bigger pull than the night college.
Joscha Bachs website was last updated in 2018.
What means what?
He's very active and entertaining on Twitter, one of the very few people I follow.
twitter.com/Plinz
@@kirktown2046 Agreed. His website
updated for the last time in 2018.
1:06:10,
that with excellent sound is wrong.
Your voice sounds like coming directly
from a vault of hell.
Unnatural, much too bass-heavy.
Fuckinghell 😂😂😂 the soundeffects are a bit scary to be fair
"Steven Universe" ?? WTF?
Wolfram-esque Tower of Babel…
As in Steven Wolfram…
heilige makkaroni, die letzten 20 Minuten sind richtig irre.