6 Reasons Why The Mk2 MX-5 Is Better Than The Mk1
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- The Mk1 MX-5 is loved by all, leaving the Mk2 as the awkward middle child. But here’s why it’s actually better in many ways!
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Pop up headlights make all these reasons invalid
ILLUMINATUS that's what I'm saying
ILLUMINATUS popup headlights are de best
ILLUMINATUS Rx 7 FD3S
ILLUMINATUS yep
Exactly!
Mk2 is the better car, Mk1 is the better Miata
ew and no
Er... no.. The MK2 is in fact a great Miata, a natural evolution. Still love the Mk1. But the MK3 is dogshit!
@@hectorsoy for real.
you get the na for the pop ups and for it being "the miata"
you get the nb for it being a good track car and the price
you get the newest miata for it being modern
Well said
s2000 reference
So essentially what you are saying is put the MK2 engine and trans into a MK1...GOT IT!
Or get the Mk2 trans, and then fit ITBs to your NA's stock engine. A bit (okay, maybe a lot) more expensive, but (probably) worth it.
DGOfTheCentury no...somehow put a BMW in line 6 cylinder into a Mk 1 lul
13B swap it lmao
For horsepower yes, but reliability is less on the NB engines
LS swap lol
Just put pop ups on it
BlackPanthaa or in your case "rice it"...😒
BlackPanthaa nobed
BlackPanthaa eeeeellllllooooooo
BlackPanthaa nobed in da house !!!!!!!!!! NOBED NOBED NOBED
We cant ;(( XDD
About two years ago, I bought a Mk1 for only £250. Of course, it was all completely broken, but at least the pop-ups worked!
Throttle Response oh so 0-60 in like 3 secs
@@JAMGODZILLAuhh yes
I. Rought a g reg na 600 with hard top i can spend 6000 onit n it still be worth 6000
@@JAMGODZILLA there cost 4k eurós here
@@jimby_vokk3110 mk1 7k to 10k today in my country mk2 4k to 8k :(
Better Aero, Cheaper & Better Gearbox?
Nah, I'll take pop-up headlights 😁
I respect your opinion, but I'm not too fond of the mk 1 because the pop-up headlights. it just not so good looking. I'll prefer Mk 2 instead, but if you liked the Mk 1 with pop-up headlights, it's okay.
My mother had a Celica with pop-ups, they're cool until they stop working. Or just one refuses to go down and she'd 'wink' at folks on the road.
Funny, but kinda silly.
Bob McCoy and the mk1 looks better.
@@DFX2KX easy fix
Wow I’ve finally found a comment that’s not on an Inside edition video about Lisa Guerra from you, nice to see you like miatas too (like everyone should)
I'm surprised Alex isn't praising the Mk1 over the Mk2 😂😂
Bond hey!
Josh hey!
haha i just decided to say hey because i always see you in the comments :,D
Josh Well hello then, how's your day going?
Great, what about yours?
1:50
only mazda could find a way to ONLY make an extra 20 horsepower from a turbo
quite true, but that's mostly because of how freakishly light the car is. I'm confident mazda could have easily pushed it to 200bhp, considering reliable 200bhp is pretty straightforward on aftermarket turbo'd miatas.... but i'm not sure why they didn't?
Ryukachoo As an Mazdaspeed Miata owner I can tell you, the intake and exhaust are very restrictive(due to regulations and what not). With aftermarket intake+exhaust the Mazdaspeed Miata easily jumps to the 180-200 wheel horse power territory.
oh! that's nice. from everything i have read by MSM owners, they stock turbo setup is very bad and difficult to get more power out of, had no idea it could get to 200whp at all
Have you seen the turbo in the MSM? It's microscopic. They could have had better performance gains strapping a hair dryer set to cool onto the intake.
The problem is getting anything beyond 200whp is a pain. The turbo is too small and the ecu leaves a lot to be desired.
Personally, I'm pretty happy with a bolt on MSM, I know that a properly turboed Miata is faster, but mine I at least I have the ease of mind that mine just works. Plus, I don't need to do under the counter things to get my state inspection. Plus, the small turbo spools fast... And honestly the car has a pretty low top speed limit due to the gearing. So I don't really feel like I need more power than what I have.
just stop praising this car so much, grand tour is also doing it and i want to get an mx-5 in a while, so let these glorious machines be unknown a bit longer
Unfortunately, they haven't been unknown for a while. But that shouldn't stop you from buying one.
Daken Blioux
no it won't
but they might become more expensive as everyone suddenly wants one
geen naam get one while you can. They're only going to go become more expensive and harder to find(the clean ones).
Unknown? Man, NA is already a legend!
Mazda had already sold 1.000.000 of them by 2016 (all four generations combined). They are hardly unknown and even if they become more popular there are too many of them to get really expensive. That's the beauty of this car: it is an affordable dream.
Aaaaaaand the NB price just went up €500
DMV Miata and Jeep You called it an NB. I never heard this Mk1 or mk2 crap. only on supras. I always heard NA NB NC and the new ND. just like rx7s
luis flores there's mks on each gen. Nb mk1 had a 5 speed and shitty seats mk2 6 speed and good seats mk3 had vvt if I remember right
Right
Thats just great more people will be buying the nb meaning the prices with the na will go down
🎶“Pop up up and down head liiights!”🎶
POP UP UP AND DOWN HEADLIGHTS!!
Why not both?
vicesat uno con plastidip y otro turbo :v me gustan mucho tus videos, saludos desde Colombia
vicesat hola viceeeeee saludos desde Argentina
Porque tú los tienes shur jaja
Vicesat aquí?
Now we’re talkin
I looked for one over a year under $6k, mostly NAs. I found a rust free 2001 NB $3500 2 weeks ago and couldn't be happier with my decision. They are bargains!
Rubbish. 6 speed in 10th Anniversary edition (also offered in Miracle and Sportive and some other) wasn't for motorway cruising, it was for acceleration, combined ratio of diff and gearbox made 6th gear even slightly shorter than 5th in 5-speed version...
Oh, and 152 BHP/160 PS was in Japan. Europe had only 146 PS with variable timing.
MotoGamesTV We still got 152 here in EU.. Dunno about you
this is accurate. the only way to really improve the stock NB at highway speeds is to swap the torsen 4.1 dif gear for the 3.9 or even australian 3.6, and/or put bigger wheels on it. in my opinion ideal setup is to put a v6 like the LF1 in there (or a supercharger on the BP), mounted to the 6 speed, with a torsen 3.9 gear, and carve out the fenders to fit some 17" x 9.5's under there. (maybe 9s in front 10s in back even) and dont be afraid to really stiffen up the rear end with a heavy crossbraced roll cage (and extend the bump stops maybe? shorten that lean distance)
I’m willing to bet that a Mk2 MX-5 with the 6-speed manual would still be doing the same RPM at 70mph in 6th gear as a Mk1 with the 5-speed would be in 5th gear.
You can tell this guys a nerd
@@radbug So basically change the whole car.
4:04 lol I had to pause to see what are those objects that flew out, and my goodness it was worth it
cvmiata that's a hair comb
LOL! The least favorite part of the car is the stigma...
@@casseth8030 I dont own any car lmao
@cvmiata comb
NB's aren't any cheaper than NA's in the US. Both great cars.
FlyingLap yes they are lol na go for more just cause they are more popular
@@Macnweed i see NAs for under $1000 weekly never seen a NB that low... wait I did once and it was totaled
Alex Regalado NAs are wayyy cheaper, most Broke boi’s get them, because they’re clapped out 200k shitboxes that are 2k. You almost never see an younger (16-28) year old with an actual low mileage clean NA, that might actually cost much more than 2k.
I live in LA and NBs are more expensive than NAs. Lot's of NAs are trashed, so hard to find a good example. I've seen NB prices start to climb up recently. You have to spend over $5k to get an NB in good, not great shape.
Same in canada na are less expensive too...
I bought an NB over an NA, and it was the best decision I've ever made! Love the car to death.
I've had both, and the NB which I currently drive is better! I love her! I did love my NA, but I had to sell it as I moved out of the country at the time.
I didnt initially like the NB, but after seeing better examples of it than CT's miata showdown that may or may not have been biased- i fell in love, so much so that the Mk2 is my favorite of the Miatas by far- its faster, handles still pretty well, and has beautiful styling changes that may be subtle, but make a big difference if you look at em both for awhile.
When I went to buy my first MX-5 I had a choice between an NA, NB and an NC model. I bought the NA. Never regretted it a day since. I still drive that car every day.
I own one of the factory turbocharged MX5's. It's the second MX5 I've ever owned, and is by far the funnest car I've ever owned. A few bolt on upgrades bring the horsepower up to 211, with 183 foot pounds of torque.
The MK1 MX-5 wasn't in NFS Underground, the MK2 was.
The sixth gear was actually not too far off fifth gear in a regular 5-speed. The extra gear was added in the lower end to even out the progression through ratios. The 6-speed however had a 3.9 rear end as opposed to the 4.3 on 1.6L models and 4.1 on previous 1.8L models, which is where the real difference lies.
It's Friday, I drove my BRG MX-5 NA to work for once and now all I want to do is drive! I brought my lunch, but screw it, I'm goin out for lunch!
Also pop-ups for life!
Omg the website's real!! Check it out lol
Sssshhhhhh
what website
lol
watch the video again ;)
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I'm pretty sure the final drive ratio in the 6 SPD ends up being the same as the 5 SPD.
so theoretically it should be quicker in the lower gears, but the delay in the extra shift adds time too.
so it's kids a wash.. I think.
kens97sto171 You are correct, and the 5 speed has a nicer shift action than the 6. Stick to the 5 speed box 👌
kens97sto171 Actually compared to the 5-speed, highway rpm's are 300-400 rpms lower.
the 6 speed didnt feel good to shift. i borrowed my friends car for a day and i mis-shifted several times because the gates were too close. this is compared to my 350z
I thought the 6 speed was way closer ratio and had a lower FD?
roywhiteo5
That was my experience with them too. probably would learn it eventually.
The NB might be the better car, but the NA is the better Miata.
No
I swear Car Throttle is one of the best channel for car aficionados and my favorite! You've been putting out a lot of quality videos lately!
5spd doesn't cut it on the highway? try a 4spd
I know the struggle well...
Try a 3-speed. C-4 auto for the win! Haha. I really need to get to that 5 speed swap...
Atleast I get over 100kmh speed with my El camino SS first gear :D
Try a -8 speed
Very nice!
Sincerely curious: when is your powersliding vs. drifting video coming out? I've been waiting for it and have restrained myself from searching up the differences online for weeks now! :D
+Karn Kaul Soon...
Car Throttle The excitement is real
So the 6 speed you mentioned doesn't have a taller final gear, it's about the same as the 5 speed, the 6 speed just has more gears packed into the same ratio range.
Marco Seifert-Simpson but is the final drive the same?
Awesome video, makes sense too. Thanks for raising the advantages that are so often overlooked.
phil is a grandfather of all MX 5 generations :D
3:07 but the final drive ratio is the same on the 5 and 6 speed speed GBs, so no improved mpg on motorway.
_Bil*SH*tein dampers_
**DEUTSCHLAND INTENSIFIES**
I agree. I had one for years, a 99 5 speed. Loved it. Recently sold it for a Z4, I miss the MX-5 still.
Getting my MK2 tomorrow... Can't wait
Alex is just being nice. He probably hella salty doing this video. 😂
the mark one looks happy and! it has pop up head lights
2:11 not to worry because in australia a tuning company uses the base mk2 and creates a car called the bullet and came with either a 13B rotary or a 430hp v8
Thanks for noticing buyers about the chassis rail problems on the NB, it is really something to check when buying one. Mine were completely rotten, but I had time and a welder to fix it. Less handy people will have to spend at least 500 pounds to get it fixed properly.
Well I would say the NB is the better car while the NA is the better Miata
this dumb
Agreed
What does that mean??
As a german I really, really appreciated the way you said Bilstein. :D
I noticed that too. This is good for Anglo-German relations.
Oh, and everyone seems to be forgetting - the Mk1 is so much better looking.
Cant get past my hang up on pop up headlights,so my NA is staying. Mine has done everything,track days,hill climbs,sprints,the ring etc and never disappointed me or let me down. Nothing else comes close!
Just had front chassis rails done on my NB, Can and is missed on MOT's due to plastic trim within wheel arches. also had both sills replaced £1000ish to replace and paint the lot. We have had her for 6 years looks like well have a few more now..
MK1 is still better
And I own a mk1
So your saying that it's better because you have it
ugh salty owners
Vladimir Obama yeah, I know my comment was very biased
Unbiased then
very biased?
*Extremely biased* *
Mk??? I know it as NA and NB.
Lots of english cars back in the 50s 60s and 70s used "mk" as a generation designation. So many English people use Mk instead to this day.
Source - My guess.
Vanneker Did you even watch the video?
so , probably NA = Mk 1 and NB = Mk 2
@@WTGRacing it's true
Just bought my first miata on Friday. Absolutely loving it! It's a na6, the only downside is it's a short nose.
me and my dad have a mk1 and it brought closer and gave us a great time
No pop up headlights = No fun
Ascari KZ1R the NB is a fun car, but I need my pop ups
Too bad the pop-up headlights are dead
Pop ups are trash
@@neonboy2290 u a bitch? Or a bitch?
Two words: pop headlights.
President Casey they are called pop-up headlights
Great, but what happened to the differences between drifting and power sliding video? I'm truly looking forward to watching that video!
mk2 can be improved (visally) quite a lot with headlight eyelids
i know, i know, eyelids are super ricy, but very mild eyelids on the mk2 make it much more aggressive in a good way
using the mazdaspeed front bumper helps too
Yeah but pop up headlights make the Mk1 infinitely better.
Im gonna be real with you, I dont like the popups of the mk1. The shape looks so stupid, the circle really doesnt work, Im already looking if there are boxy ones. (What I mean is I love popups but dont like the shape the ones of the miata have, they feel like space is wasted and it generally makes the car look worse. For me, the perfect popups are some like on the AE86, they look much better)
4 years later £800 will get you pile of rust with mx5 badge…
just brought a 2002 mk2 for £1500 in mint condition.
extremely happy with my purchase, every time I get out of it I have a big smile on my face, it is so much fun to drive!
I haven't had a rear wheel drive since my opel manta some 20 years ago, so its taken me about a week to start getting used to how it drives.
i love this kind of videos like carthrottle used to do
Are you really going to be able to look at yourself in the morning knowing that your mx5 doesn't have pop-up headlights?
Will you be able to live with that sort of weight on your shoulders? Will you be able to get through the day knowing that for a few hundred pounds more you could have gotten an mx5 with pop-up headlights? These are things to consider before buying a superior, popupheadlamp-less mx5 mk2.
ikr
Who gives a shit about the MK2. The MK1 has pop-ups!
I love the gear shifting in my nissan micra it's prity short and loves going through the gears
I can't wait to see the next video!
1 reason the mk1 is better : pop-up headlights
jamieee321 the only reason
Also, front lips, side skirts, lights and so on cost less for the MK1 for some reason. For the NB there is only one aftermarket headlight option (even that is NBFL only) while for the MK1 you can get TSI intakes, angel eye pop ups and all the stuff.
Mazda has the worst quality steel known to man, especially during the era of the mk2 when they imported the steel from China to save money, not so good in Europe and the Rust belt in NA, or anywhere else with snow for that matter. That is why you don't see Mazdas very often in Europe.
Except the UK where I'm from since we hardly get snow here just rain
I love this channel!
Us aussies got an ealier NB turbo in 2002-2003 called the SP, that made 210hp stock, although only around 130 were made. The SE (Mazdaspeed) made around 175ish hp.
Now do 6 reasons why a Mk3 is better than a Mk2. ;)
Jarl Borg except there isn't even 6 reasons lol
That's what I thought until I swapped my Mk2.5 for a Mk3 2.0. The handling and chassis stiffness is in a different league.
NC miata does not exist in our eyes. There is only NA, NB and ND
***** I can't comment on the ND but I've owned the first three and the only thing I miss is waves from Mk1/Mk2 drivers.
I would wave at you.
As long as it's an MX-5, I don't care. I'll buy one.
The 6th speed in the 6-speed gearbox is actually SHORTER than the 5th in a 5-speed gearbox...the only difference was a different final drive (3.636), which made all the gears longer. Also a lot of people prefer the 5-speed on its slightly better crispness. But the 6-speed is a bit sturdier though...
Bought my NB yesterday :)
Now watch the mk2 mx-5 value go up slowly after this video.
Good! Now I can get a cheaper NA
Dammit CT made a video explaining why a car is good and cheap to buy. Now the values are going to shoot up.
BESIM X CARS the value won't go up. They're shit compared to the mk1
yup and my comment was a joke
I just got a 2001 MX-5 SE, that comes in British Racing Green. She's a beauty.
I own a mx5 NB, still a bit shy on the knowledge from the car. Any advise to watch some or read some?
still getting an NA.
I have an early 1998 MK2. Essentially the worst of both worlds.
just bought a 99 with 32k miles picking it up tmr im pumped
So which one is better if you keep mixing the mk1 pop light without pop out light. Jumping images to images make 2 side by sides or Ab1 car & B 2 car.
mk1 on thumbnail says fml.
I'm on the search for an NC version, I'm in love with the 3rd gen Miata
Have one myself, definitely recommend it! I'd say go for a 2009 or newer with forged internals though, I blew the motor in my 2006. Got to put in a 2.5L though, so it was worth it in the end.
エックザック how did the 06 blow? Was it boosted? I don't plan on boosting it immediately my intentions are to do a lot of handling work to make it an auto X monster.
Spun a bearing. Not boosted, just ran it too hard with not enough oil, and without letting it get up to temperature a few times. Lesson learned, check the oil level frequently and keep it topped off...
Ayman Barakat I like the nd best
amazing finale
I'm just trying to have a good morning after working hard yesterday and you guys have to release this video? Come on now guys.
The Toyota MR2 is the best. Mid engine, light and pop up headlights. What more could you ask for?
Obi-Wan Kannabis Agreed, mate. Good taste!
I have driven NA and NB MX-5/Eunos Roadster's and never wanted to own one. My Rev 3 turbo MR2 shits on them in every way.
It is funny when you encounter one that thinks it is quick. 99% of them aren't.
NA is much more fun to drive. I own NA and my friend MR2 sw20 rev1, and I much much more prefer my car in terms of feel and handling. In MR2 I feel disconected, steering is vague, and whole handling is "meh" in terms of feel. It is understeery because of light front end and skinnier tyres in front, but also it can be dangerous because of sudden snap oversteer. In other words, its not neutral handling. NA in other hand is sharp, it has faster seering ratio, it respond immediately to any input and the neutral handling due to 50:50 weight distribution is amazing. NA is much more pure, visceral and it has that vintage feel to it, while SW20 feels much more modern and refined. It is still a great car tho
itsallac0nspiracy Unfortunaly in my country it's super hard to find MR2s on sale. So I'd probably go for the MX-5 just because it's really my only option, even if I could find and MR2 parts for it over here are probably really expensive. But I would take it oven an MX-5 if I had the opportunity.
I own an MR2 SW20 rev 1 and I completely disagree, it is the most fun car I have ever driven. Sounds like your friend's MR2 is a bit pants to be honest, as mine is none of the things you described there. Also though, my brother owns an NA and that is the second most fun car I have driven :)
The best thing about an SW20 turbo is that you have to respect it. With even standard power they take skill and experience to get the most out of them.
These cars aren't dangerous, but take liberties and they will chew you up and spit you out.
Anyone can jump in an MX-5 and give it death, try it with an MR2 and you will lose.
They are seriously quick and very rewarding, though!
Is mk1 good first car for 17 year old? I mean price and insurance. I live in uk too btw
Sam Kent Shit, i really wanted mx5 as my first car. What about NB? Will it still be so expensive to insure?
The Paul your best bet will be to pass your test and then run quotes online to see what it'll cost to insure. I can't speak for everyone when I say it'll be expensive, because so many variables go into it like where you live, your postcode, age, occupation etc etc. You may well be able to get a mk1 or 2, and like I said, if you can afford it, go for it. They're so much fun
Sam Kent Yeah i know they are really fun cars, thats why i want them so bad. Anyway thanks for reply!
Yeah get one! I'm 17 too and I got my mk1 for christmas. I'm in love with it!
Id go for a e30.
1:46 that plate
Thank you!
so alex... we know what's coming next 🤔😂
The Prius is better than a turbocharged Supra
Turbocharged prius is better than boeing 767
Nissan Leaf in an hour is better than Boeing 767 in an hour.
Im a car guy through and through, but I just don't understand the obsession with pop ups.
IT'S FUCKING POP UP HEADLAMPS! IT'S BRILLIANT!
probably because popups will never return to any manufacturer car for the foreseeable future, or ever.
Popup headlights were trademark for sportscars, but they were banned due to pedestrian safety restrictions. In other words, they will never ever return. And we love them
lights go up.. lights go down... up down up down up down.. also you can make them wink at girls
+Stynzie lol, RCR. Nice
1:42 Matt Farah's slick camerawork lol
well this was well helpful but with the insurance how much does it cost for ur first car?
1 reason why you shouldn't buy ANY generation of the MX5: RUST.
statesidesupercars Being an owner of an NB I can tell you that it's quite exaggerated and won't be an issue if you take proper care.
so fuckin what?
then no one should ever buy an older BMW since those can seriously rot the fuck out to the point where you'll find yourself buying replacement doors. stupid comment from a very stupid person..
Mine is perfect but it depends on the wheater of the country
statesidesupercars you make it sound like the mx5 is the only car in the world that suffers from this issue. Lmao if you get it repaired properly instead of using Jim down your local garage, and rust proofed afterwards, it'll last you 10+years no problem. Much longer if it isn't a daily
statesidesupercars I live in California and my Miata 1990 has no rust
Plz notice me
hi
Using some Smoke Tire footage there!
i decided to get the 2nd gen simply because it was in the best condition out of the miatas in my price range. i bought it from the original owner who was a doctor and had it in his garage just as a fun vehicle, so its in excellent condition and im glad i decided to get her
hell no. mk1 is way better
wait no forgot I can't have an opinion on the internet.
@@colehouston9663 yes u can
but you can't argue with pop up headlamps
Nooo that’s the only thing better about the mk1 sure they look great but now they are dead and aren’t special
when are you going to have the difference between powersliding and drifting video up?
Hello, would you recommend this as a first car for a 17 year old?
I don't understand why everyone thinks that just because you have a 6 speed, the car will automatically be better for cruising. That is just plain WRONG. Yes you get an extra gear, but the ratios are shorter for the 6 speed. This means that compared to a 5 speed, the 6 speed actually revs HIGHER when cruising. What dictates the low and desirable cruising speed people look for is the differential ratios and final drive gear.
No pop-ups, no deal.
Why? They are dead get over it sure they are awesome but accept it
I've had both (Mk2 first). The Mk1 is still my favourite. Putting on a Kraken mainifold, a Subaru TD04 turbo and obviously a ME221 just made my smile bigger :-D
Its the passion that you have for a car