I love how absolute Punisher's morality is. You either are or aren't a criminal and there's no in-between. He takes it so seriously that if he ever broke his rules and killed an innocent person he'd punish himself.
Yet he's worked with ( and dated) people ELKTRA, Deadpool, and many other reformed criminals Frank has knowingly worked with criminals that literally under his "CODE" Most of the time it's just disguised under his want for conflict and challenge, He Avenged his family YEARS AGO but but now just goes about killing anyone who steps out of line To be honest he's just a dude that's SO FAR GONE
The part at the end strikes me. The exact idealism that makes Cap a good guy, which Frank recognizes, is the exact same reason why Cap refuses to acknowledge/understand Frank. Just two vets on a different life path.
@@Antwannnn frank watched his family get gunned down in front of him. the WORST cap got was missing out on living with his girlfriend and thinking that his best friend died.
I kinda thought it was more that Castle wouldn't fight someone that was clearly a good guy. Cap's a stand up citizen. If there's anyone in the world that actually follows the antithesis to Frank's idea of criminals, it's Captain America.
@@clnblk7773Spider-Man is a menace and the daredevil is a self righteous half measure who has it coming. Frank and moon knight get along swimmingly, mostly due to moon knight understanding that the punisher deals with the stufff that would give Spider-Man, dare devil and the other “heroes” life ruining ptsd by the majority.
Cap killed bad guys out of necessity, not amorality, in human terms. People died to save a great many more, IRL, and real surviving soldiers have to battle this dichotomy every day, and many suffer PTSD about what they were trained, and had, to do on tour in Afghanistan, Gulfs 1and 2, Iran and Bosnia/Serbia. We armchair warrior who never put someone on the business-end of a gun for whatever reason will never know if that trigger could be pulled. We think we would, for family and friends, home and country, to save lives, but war *is* hell, and I think we might see it come around to home and hearth again very soon from both domestic and foreign agencies...
@@lefishe129 Never meant that, but Nam was a different sort of War of which the Allies out in Malaya and Borneo found out, and the survivors (Brits, Anzac, some Marines) rarely talked about, and was called 'The Forgotten War', until very recently. The US Forces learned this in the mid to late 60s on their own, after they took over from the French. How they coped afterwards was very different after the fact. Didn't mean to trigger you by my clumsy comment. ✌Peace.
really interesting if you connect it to real life...if that's even possible. WW II is seen by many Americans as a justified war, against n*zis and f*scists, and it's justified in restrospect because afterwards the US became a superpower, but Vietnam Conflict is seen by many as a war of aggression where the US was just looking after its own business interests, and trying to prevent the spread of communism, but it is a mark of shame, but also the shape of things to come for US foreign policy (which already had some imperialist actions via Hawaii, Phillippines, Guam, etc). Captain America would be the A-Bomb and the Punisher would be Agent Orange?
Seriously. There are literally people out there that'd hear about Frank's family and scoff, "Sounds like karma to me, babykiller!" and then be confused when they wake up choking on their own teeth. That's the America Frank came home to.
@@silverblade357It's the amerikkka every soldier sells their soul for. A country that couldn't piss on them if they were on fire, doing the dirty work of the white elitists like an authorized criminal.
except he really doesn't get anything done. he can kill entire crime syndicates and a new one will replace them in a week or two. Frank KNOWS this and has admitted as much on several occasions. even with supervillians...some new schmuck will put on the mask. Frank Castle kills because he LIKES killing. He WANTS to live in a state of perpetual war. the dead family is just an old excuse. but despite that level of insanity, he's not utterly without morals. As for his relation with Cap...Lots of killers have "soft spots" Hannibal Lecter was a good freind to Barney his orderly, who was highly competant and professional at his job and always treated the mass murderer with courtesy. In return, Lecter halped barney get his degree through correspondance courses he was taking. When Lecter finally made his escape..it was with items he obtained when Barney wasn't working. After the escape, he sent Barney a thank you note and a generous monetary tip. For that matter, in the last book, barney is the last one to see Lecter and Clarice Starling(throughoughly brainwashed and now Lecter's lover....yes really. it's why Jodi Foster refused to do the sequel))at a concert in Argentina...They recognized each other, and Barney, who was no fool, left the country IMMIDIATELY. Until the author says otherwise, he's still alive. So yeah..Frank castle respects Cap. idolizes him, even. he's a soldier, hero and a legitiamately good man. It's even mentioned in a tie in comic he know perfectly well what he was doing when he "fell on his sword" by killing those two supervillains..becasue he could'nt stand to see his hero cross that line. But at the end of the day, he's STILL a homicidal nutjob, too.
Ok but frank doesn’t do it to save or protect any on he legitimately just like to kill he kills criminals because in his mind he doesn’t have to feel sorry or regret
I laughed outloud when I first read this in the comics. What were they expecting? Cap is the one hero the Punisher refuses to lay a hand on- epic moment.
"Same Guy, Different War." As a diehard Punisher fanboy and professional Frank Castle stan, I have quite a difficult time taking most Punisher stories not written by Garth Ennis seriously. However, that one line is top notch, and worthy of memory, almost as much as "When she was done, I knew a lot of men would have to die."
I think spider man Put it best. And I think writers really need to make the point that punisher isn't bad for killing people. It's that he's bad for how much he goes straight to killing people. I mean killing a guy who just robbed a couple of banks not really hurting anybody actually offers to join up a super hero team but giving it 0 thought on killing him it's a bit much. But saying that something like carnage deserves compassion I mean what the f***.
yeah his problem shouldnt be " you kills o go to hell" but rather he takes it way too far or even outright tourtures before killing his dedication to his mission over his own or his teams wellbeing micro i think left him cause punisher pushed him away when he started to get "soft" in franks eyes
Frank's code is he punishes those who prey upon the innocent. Innocent in his mind is a law abiding citizen. Somebody who agrees to adhere to the rules of a society for the sake of relative peaceful coexistence. Beating on your wife? Frank might not kill you but you'll never be able to open a soda every again because he'll ensure you won't be able to lay a hand on anyone. You kill? You'll get yours if he sees you. You rape? You mess with children? You sell drugs? These are either morally reprehensible, or a cog in the crime machine. Drugs are always a path to cash and power, and bad people exploit it, which does harm to the law abiding society mentioned above. So he'll kill them. I like the comic book sociopath Frank better than the Netflix adaptation of him being this rabid dog, foaming at the mouth for a kill. Frank isn't doing it because it's fun, or because it's calming some beast inside him. He's doing it because at his core, he feels it must be done. Frank is just a sanitation worker, and he's the only one qualified to do the work, because his moral compass doesn't shift. That's Frank.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674stiltman was a bank Robber that served his time in prison and became a hero. Punisher killed him no questions asked. He’s legitimately a monster.
I want a continuation of Ennis' version of Punisher. Mainly cause the Vietnam origin story eludes to some outside/inside force that gave Frank the choice of die on the hill or kill everyone and become something else. When he agreed, the story goes its way with the voice lastly saying "See you soon, Frank" over a picture of him and his wife and kids. Frank didn't die on that hill with his fellow marines, but he never left either.
I will never forget reading Max and getting the issue Ennis left, with no knowledge about that at the time. I was like "This is lukewarm trash, what the hell happened? The quality dropped like a rock." Then I found out Ennis had left. It was the moment I considered myself an Ennis fan.
@@BlazingOwnagerwhen did he finish his run on the series? I have volume 1 and have been wanting to get the others for quite some time. People can trash comics all they want….until they read something like Watchmen, Sin City, Spawn, and the Punisher Max series. I don’t want to see it get ruined, but I’d love to see The Punisher Max series get an animated run. I don’t want anything holding it back….I wanna see those pages come to life and put on a screen with passionate artwork and animation involved.
@@noobie1890 I'm not sure which run or #, but it was the comic the Punisher went to Mexico to fight the Cartels. Which was a great concept, I was like 'Finally, this is a perfect peanut butter and jelly matchup.' And instead I got this watered down terrible shadow of the Ennis Punisher, which continued until the end of the series run with an incredibly stupid version of Kingpin and Elektra showing up. If you want my advice when you get to that issue, switch to the one-off Ennis books. The last one he did, where Frank is finally going after the last of the men who killed his family in prison, is pretty much the true ending to the Ennis run as far as I'm concerned. (Esp since they stupidly kill the knock-off not-Ennis Punisher at the end of his run).
One of the things I like about The Punisher is that he doesn’t have a rouge’s gallery because he’s killed almost all of them, except Jigsaw. He keeps Jigsaw alive because he wants his death to not be easy and for plot reasons he’s his only archenemy
One of my favourite Punisher moments, this and, in another universe, when Frank mistakenly kills Spiderman, who's helping to restrain Castle, even though it was a stray bullet that kills him, since Frank is the one who shot it, he immediately surrenders
I get Captain America's point of view, just like I get Punisher's, but I feel that they both get it wrong. You can't always have compassion for everyone, just like you can't simply gun down everyone, there has to be a limit to either approach. Cap shouldn't have immediately accepted the Punisher, instead, what he should have done is hear him out, and then gave him an ultimatum, in order for him to stay, he'd have to give up killing people permanently, because there's just no place for cold blooded murderers among heroes.
@@Kronosfobi People should keep in mind that many marvel characters tolerate Deadpool and Moon Knight but not the Punisher. That kinda says a lot about him. Upd: "tolerate" might be a strong word. During Civil War Cap told Moon Knight that he wouldn't recruit him and would want him to stay out of the conflict because he deems Moon Knight a looney
@@greyish7212 As much as I like Deadpool, he is more of a menace than Punisher can ever be. Punisher specifically targets gangs and criminals while has a strict rule of not killing bystanders, civillians or cops. Deadpool doesnt give a shit on who dies as long as its not a kid. Deadpool was a villain, hell in this video he's even at the same group with the villains that see Iron Man as a threat. People tolerate Deadpool because he is a loud joyous idiot. If we ever look at their deeds however, Deadpool is a far bigger, loose gaping asshole.
@@Kronosfobi As I mentioned earlier, when I stated that I could see the Punisher's point of view... Yeah, sometimes you have no choice. Take the situation between Batman and the Joker... How many fictional people does that serial killing clown have to kill, before Batman finally puts an end to his reign of terror? And I can also imagine that during World War Two, Cap killed a bunch of Nazi Hydra soldiers on the battlefield, so his hands aren't that clean either. But it's one thing to kill a murderer who's trying to kill you, as opposed to killing an unarmed thief who's seeking your assistance.
@@greyish7212 I think the reason they don't tolerate the Punisher is because he's serious, he's not cracking jokes, or goofing around, he's getting down to business and taking out the trash, except in this case, I feel that he crossed the line... You don't kill thieves who are simply trying to talk to you.
Not a huge fan of Civil War and how it was written. But this scene was amazing. Absolutely amazing. And I totally get Punisher not fighting back. He's not there for that in his mind. He's there to kill criminals. He doesn't agree with Caps politics, but Cap is not a criminal.
Can we take a moment to truly appreciate the work put into the editing, the VA, and everything in between? It’s like watching the comic come to life better than the majority of the MCU movies in the last so and so years
@@l0sts0ul89No, but it was more of a “just war” from the Allied side. The vets going back home were all treated as heroes. You can’t say the same about Vietnam, even if Frank did his best to win it while keeping his men alive.
The reason Cap doesn’t like the punisher is not because of what frank does, it has more to do with who frank let himself become. At one time Frank was a special forces operative, who had a belief system. He believed in doing the right thing for his country and him serving his country was directly inspired by Steve rogers, he was literally Frank’s hero. But he became corrupted overtime and Cap didn’t respect how viscous he became.
Damn that ending was surprising At the very heart of Frank Castle you could understand him as a noble person, sometimes in this case to Captain America Cool comic
@@GamerGrovyle I disagree. He is insane. But so is Captain America. They are both extremists following their own brand of justice as unfalteringly as machines. Captain America's justice is considered better than the Punisher's, but he is still an extremist.
not really that unpredictable, if you know how he thinks you know what’s up it’s just that he takes little to no time to do his thing , he doesn’t think , he punishes
They portrayed him in this series a little more homicidal than any of his stand alone comic series ever did. This version is more like vigilante from peacemaker than the punisher.
Yeah I mean even cops have informants to catch bigger criminals… imagine if you had a dude on your team that decimated your information network because of his personal vendetta
still somehow got that much hurt being shot out of a building spideys took more damage in base and beat higher tier villians then those c tiers he nearly died to
@@nixo4108he had just got through brawling with Iron Man, and prior to that had been through some stressful events, he was mostly exhausted by the time he hit the sewers. The video cuts out a big portion of the fight with iron man. He was also being disoriented by a gas bomb from Jack o Lantern
I just love this. Most of the heroes don't want to put anyone in the ground, but Castle is willing to get results. Punisher is flawed, but the opposite side of it for the other heroes. I love watching them interact
So that makes him a good guy? Punishers a man whose let his "MORALITY" commit THOUSANDS of murders, he's no better than the criminals he hunts Just another psycho with a gun The dude avenge his family a LONG time ago but because of his want for conflict and challenge He even admits that you could have stopped , but the Vietnam war changed him ... The need for blood 🩸 If he really wanted to change things he could be trying to rehabilitate understand or even help the situation But instead he chooses to dedicate his life to becoming murderer... It's a no-win situation, there always be bad people, from now to the end of time It's an endless war The only result he gets is just putting more people the ground, And he knows it
@@Scarlettspider-h4v Hence why I say he's flawed. But at the same time, he goes after organized crime and unlike other heroes, say Batman, he makes sure that they stay gone.
@@dragonknight8020 But it's not always as simple as aiming a gun 🔫 and solving all their problems As long as there's human choice They're always be the choice of evil They don't just "STAY GONE" there'll be thousands more just like the other Guy What truly makes a difference is when people strive to be better than that Yes we have bad people in this world... That's not going away anytime soon But there are people who can change And people who choose to be good Nobody is defined just by what they do Which is why superheroes are special in general Cuz they inspire to be better🦸♀️
@@dragonknight8020 No my Man, but that don't mean you go around killing anybody who steps out of line, There are the people like the joker out there... But there are also people like Mr freeze... Whose life hasn't been the best to them And if done right, they can have a second chance, Not saying that mr. Freeze's right for what he did InFact he should pay for his crimes But he still just as human as anybody in Gotham, who's been dealt a bad hand Even JOKER has that human right, Despite the horrible things he's done, he's still just has a man like any of us, Joker should be punished for what he's done But under the right conditions, with life waning and tearing us down... any of us can become like that ... And sadly there are many examples of that in real life
This video doesn't show it but in the comic panel he doesn't say just "no not against you." He says, NO SIR not against you This shows the respect the former Marine gunnery sergeant Frank Castle had for Army Captain Steven Rogers.
If this series' spiderman was how he was as orig described, he coud grab Iron Man and crush him against his Own forehead like an empty beer can. OG Spiderman was ridiculously OP
"Same guy, different war." exactly. Cap can't understand because he doesn't have a family to lose but if he had and lost a family the way Frank did, let's just say we'd have a much more powerful Punisher. It's easy to judge others without walking in their shoes. Also cap really trying to act like he never killed anyone? Really? And a lot of the other heroes too? Are we forgetting Luke Cage's original origins? At least Frank is honest with himself. Cap is just a hypocrite pretending to be a boy scout.
Cap doesn’t kill people like Frank does. He only kills when it’s absolutely necessary, like in war. And Cap has lost family before. His adopted son was shot right in front of him by his girlfriend and that didn’t cause him to go off the deep end like Frank. Many heroes lose their loved ones, but they understand that it’s not an excuse to go full psycho and start killing people just because they’ve done some bad things. And if you want to know a true hypocrite, then look no further than Franks himself. Back when Cap was made a Hydra agent Frank went right along with him. After that whole debacle Frank would then go on to kill some Hydra Agents, saying that they deserved to die just because they were Hydra. That means that Franks deserved a bullet in his head after he joined Hydra so why didn’t he kill himself?
@@poopyscoopy6984Gotham's justice system has probably been engineered by corrupt people paid by the very criminals that keeps evading it. Kind of like in real life where politicians made it so when they or their friends steal millions from the taxpayer they go to a resort for a few years and then get out and still get to keep their fraud money while when a poor guy steal something to eat he goes in for a decade or two to serve as slave labor in prison. Oh and if you think I just described America? No I just described every single country on earth not just the capitalist ones.
Frank Castle is wrong, you can't just kill everyone because you have a moral code and feels like you are the center of the fucking universe, Batman is sometimes wrong because some villains needs to be stopped permanently, there is a line, you should kill to defend yourself and other people when it's only absolutely necessary
@@loganwoods1590Yeah, the other guy deserved it since he sided with Thanos on world wide genocide, but the other villain's biggest crime was sealing people in gold dust...dying from asphyxiation if they weren't broken free... Okay, so maybe from Punisher's point of view, the other guy was kind of a monster as well. Just because you're a thief with a gimmick gun doesn't mean your gimmick gun doesn't kill people. Although he could of reformed, even though he WAS too stupid to live. (He buys enormous amounts of gold dust for his weapon to commit heists, encase guards and other people in his way in gold, and usually fails his heists) And the thing that sucks is that the Thanos ally survived due to retcon while gold dust man is still dead.
😂frank castle is the only one that is not insane in that room. Those guys dressed in halloween custom suits and expect the criminals would magically reform themselves after they were defeated or imprisoned. 😂
You do know that the only reason Frank is walking around is BECAUSE of these heroes???? He’s literally just as bad as the people he’s murdered and has worked with murderers, he’s a insane hypocrite
One of my major issues with this story is that Peter did not do anything wrong when he decided to leave The Avengers. Why on earth was Tony's team trying to kill him???
Because the ones who attacked him were villains. Iron Man had begun recruiting supervillains in his fight against Cap’s team. The Jester and Jack O’Lantern saw it as an opportunity to kill Spider-Man.
@@blechb5317 Lol you could be right. But I mostly think it's the result of shoddy writing by bad liberal writers who have no business working in the comic book industry.
@@b.-p2i You’re welcome to enjoy the movie more than the book since it only required about 10% as much story understanding, but please don’t lie and claim the movie is better than the book.
"Frank Castle is insane," Technically right, but also wrong. Frank Castle is the hero betrayed. The hero that has had his heart torn out, and sees nothing but darkness. The Punisher is not a hero, or even an antihero. He is the final line of judgement. Why should murderers walk? Why should thieves prosper? Why should injustice be tolerated at all? Captain America is a Hero. He sees the best in people, and strives with every fiber of his being to lead people to be better. Frank Caste is the answer to those that say "no." Because why should murders walk free? Why should thieves prosper? Why should injustice be tolerated at all? Sacrifices for the "greater good." Make them yourself, *hero*
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
You think literally every single criminal deserves death? No second chance to reform? Because Frank believes otherwise, he doesn't has a moral scale for criminals and sees all of them equally, a fundamentally flawed way of thinking.
At least Punisher doesn’t actually have superpowers. We see how well that went in the DC Injustice story. Imagine someone like Hulk or Thor with the same attitude as Frank Castle.
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
i always wanted to get into comics but as much as i respect them i just cant get sucked into them but these vids got me..also i realized how watered down the movie adaptations are
Frank is a deranged killer who lives only to murder. Criminals are just a convenient target for him. He loves to kill, after his time in Vietnam he fantasized about killing people when he found easy opportunities, and later reflect that maybe his family being murdered was for the best so he could have a convenient outlet for his bloodlust. His way also yields zero results, since his war on crime will never end. There’s always more murderers and scumbags out there, Punisher doesn’t even make a dent in the overall scope of it.
Am i the only one that thinks frank was the right dude here, sometimes it just feels like the superheroes try to take the moral highground. When these supervillains kill countless people, the superheroes just beat them and thats it, but when a supervillain is killed, they go totally insane one the killers of the villains. Just like in DC when the joker was killed by jason todd and batman ent completely insane on him.
Yeah but your trying to compare the joker to these two is a bit much joker as you said kills people but these two just steal shit so for punisher to kill them feels a bit too much
i like the issue of Punisher that retells this story from Frank's perspective. He wasn't an idiot. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. If Frank Castle CAN have a hero, it's Cap. and he couldn't let his hero compromise himself. that rabbit hole gets deep and dark REAL fast. But he also knew Cap was getting desperate. this all leads into the Death of captain America arc where Frank actually TRIES to take over the mantle....and he realizes he just can't do it. It's too BIG. by the time a VERY pissed off Bucky catches up with him...Frank assures him he won't do it again. Side note: he DIDN"t take out Dimondback, and he COULD have.
What scares me about punisher is people, (usually us americans) idolize him but miss the point of what he dose plus, they dont understand that hes also crazy as well
What scares me most is people commenting on Americans when they no nothing of the country or culture... What scares me most is the people that will say things like this and sleep soundly at night ONLY because hard men stand ready to do violence to keep them safe. Keep that ant-America rhetoric based off a comic coming though... It's adorable.
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III you mean the American culture that loves guns so much they are willing to accept school shootings to continue? yeah sure that's adorable.
@@andresaguilarcampoy631 hmm, I’m not entirely sure. What’s the difference between seeking Justice on two killers who have probably killed more than one person each and the state placing them on death row? Hero’s put them in jail, they inevitable break out, go back to killing some more. A great example is the joker, he’s been to jail, mental institution multiple times and he always get out and kills more. Though I respect Batman and love his character, he could have saved hundred of lives if he had taken one life.
@@jessev2295 but he would get corrupted, just like punisher for example, you dont decide who gets redemption and who dont. You cant just play judge jury and executioner, even less if you are a superpowered or full of gear/resources vigilante. Who are you going to answer to ?
@@andresaguilarcampoy631 so who does decide? A justice system that debatably fails consistently to actually stop crime? In this case there was a balance, you have hero’s like Cap who have a moral code that saves his purity, but because of this people die. Then you have hero’s like punisher who sacrificed his purity to put an end and complete stop on acts of evil. Those villains he killed will never harm another person again, at least I believe that is his logic. Given his history with violence, loss, trauma, I understand his motives. I get where you’re coming from, I do believe that there’s a better way on stoping crime, but I’d be ignorant if I were to think that everyone can be saved or deserves a second chance.
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
To add context of civil war, this story line was a dig at US policy and Guantanamo Bay. Because all the hero's and villains were sent to the negative zone that housed a supermax for the super powered, because you refused to comply to the superpower act. Regardless if you lived a normal life, crime fighter or villain you were guilty, no trial....just incarceration. This ultimately lead to the death of Captain America, and find out that it was Red Skull who was manipulation the whole thing.
To be honest, this doesn't really seem like the Cap from the comics. Cap would have asked Punisher to leave without raising his hand and even respect his military credentials and understanding Castle since he has also been at the other end of the war.
It seems like half the interactions in these civil war comics is Tony wanting to talk things out peacefully and team cap just starts blasting. I mean I understand their point of view, but being so arrogant that they're completely unable to compromise is kinda offputting
No... Frank Castle was right. Only Frank lives in the real world and Cap still lives in make believe land where there's always a way. Even Peter is old enough to see through Caps BS every time and push Caps SH! in when it's warranted, every time.
No he wasn’t. Killing people without having any kind of due process is insane. These two villains specifically were only thieves. Death was not suitable for their crimes. In fact, one of them(I believe his name is plunderer) turned out to not be the real plunderer but someone he hired to wear his suit
Punisher like cap believes in what he does is good and thats why even the ghost riders penance stare doesn't affect him because he doesn't feel guilty killing criminals.
I don't know if it's ever happened, but I would love for someone to tell Punisher: "There are no good guys or bad guys; besides your costume, nothing in life is that black and white"
The problem is Frank is a vigilante who actually kills criminals and believes he's above the law to not allow due process. Frank is actually scary because how capable he is to invade law taking him in for murdering criminals. Frank doesn't see grey, either you are good or bad, no in between. The heroes hate him because he does what they don't do. They won't cross the line and will try to reason with criminals and even save them. They are vigilantes that can't be taken in by normal street PD but they know they are trusted to let the police handle criminals. Frank is right and wrong at the same time on criminals. Him killing rapist, traffickers, warlords, and ped0s isn't wrong but a guy robbing a convenience store to feed their family doesn't deserve it.
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
I love how absolute Punisher's morality is. You either are or aren't a criminal and there's no in-between. He takes it so seriously that if he ever broke his rules and killed an innocent person he'd punish himself.
He kills people who steal 5$. Sometimes he gets out of line. Just cut a hand off bro.
A black and white approach to view a world in that is perpetually gray makes no sense
@@brandocalrissian3294 so he's batman
Yet he's worked with ( and dated) people ELKTRA, Deadpool, and many other reformed criminals
Frank has knowingly worked with criminals that literally under his "CODE"
Most of the time it's just disguised under his want for conflict and challenge,
He Avenged his family YEARS AGO but but now just goes about killing anyone who steps out of line
To be honest he's just a dude that's SO FAR GONE
@@ChadlikeMonsters Batman doesn't kill. Punisher is more like a Rorschach that actually served in the military.
The part at the end strikes me. The exact idealism that makes Cap a good guy, which Frank recognizes, is the exact same reason why Cap refuses to acknowledge/understand Frank. Just two vets on a different life path.
But doesn't frank also have a brain injury/skull fracture. Cap was just frozen.
@@Antwannnn frank watched his family get gunned down in front of him. the WORST cap got was missing out on living with his girlfriend and thinking that his best friend died.
@@SCP-Dr_Bright Can we count Cap witnessing the holocaust while he was modelling for American Audiences?
@FailedNorSeling yes but nothing happens to him
@@SCP-Dr_Bright Cap also lost everything and everyone that was important to him. If I was frozen for 70 years I'd be pretty bummed
The real question is what the hell were they thinking bringing two criminals in front of a man that kills criminals
Marvel is shit sometimes, that's why.
Didn't they show up by themselves?
They are in the middle of a war and need people
They expected Frank to not behave like an animal for once
For plot.
@@papaoso8340*hero
I kinda thought it was more that Castle wouldn't fight someone that was clearly a good guy. Cap's a stand up citizen. If there's anyone in the world that actually follows the antithesis to Frank's idea of criminals, it's Captain America.
Punisher fights heroes all the time, including Spider-Man himself amd most famously Daredevil. He idolizes Captain America
Cap always has been his hero he'd never fight his hero
@@clnblk7773Spider-Man is a menace and the daredevil is a self righteous half measure who has it coming.
Frank and moon knight get along swimmingly, mostly due to moon knight understanding that the punisher deals with the stufff that would give Spider-Man, dare devil and the other “heroes” life ruining ptsd by the majority.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus OK.
@@clnblk7773 OK
“Same guy, different war”
Seems rather accurate, whether cap can truly bring himself to admit it to himself.
Cap killed bad guys out of necessity, not amorality, in human terms. People died to save a great many more, IRL, and real surviving soldiers have to battle this dichotomy every day, and many suffer PTSD about what they were trained, and had, to do on tour in Afghanistan, Gulfs 1and 2, Iran and Bosnia/Serbia. We armchair warrior who never put someone on the business-end of a gun for whatever reason will never know if that trigger could be pulled.
We think we would, for family and friends, home and country, to save lives, but war *is* hell, and I think we might see it come around to home and hearth again very soon from both domestic and foreign agencies...
@@chrismaguire3667I like you
Bro no fkng way you mean WWII was somewhat less traumatic than Vietnam. Cap is definitely not the same man as Frank castle but in other context
@@lefishe129 Never meant that, but Nam was a different sort of War of which the Allies out in Malaya and Borneo found out, and the survivors (Brits, Anzac, some Marines) rarely talked about, and was called 'The Forgotten War', until very recently.
The US Forces learned this in the mid to late 60s on their own, after they took over from the French. How they coped afterwards was very different after the fact. Didn't mean to trigger you by my clumsy comment. ✌Peace.
really interesting if you connect it to real life...if that's even possible. WW II is seen by many Americans as a justified war, against n*zis and f*scists, and it's justified in restrospect because afterwards the US became a superpower, but Vietnam Conflict is seen by many as a war of aggression where the US was just looking after its own business interests, and trying to prevent the spread of communism, but it is a mark of shame, but also the shape of things to come for US foreign policy (which already had some imperialist actions via Hawaii, Phillippines, Guam, etc). Captain America would be the A-Bomb and the Punisher would be Agent Orange?
The difference is captain America got to play hero in his war. Frank didn't. Spidey said it best, same guy, different war
Seriously.
There are literally people out there that'd hear about Frank's family and scoff, "Sounds like karma to me, babykiller!" and then be confused when they wake up choking on their own teeth.
That's the America Frank came home to.
@@silverblade357It's the amerikkka every soldier sells their soul for. A country that couldn't piss on them if they were on fire, doing the dirty work of the white elitists like an authorized criminal.
@silverblade357 the thing is frank would never harm and innocent if he did he would end himself l
@silverblade357 the thing is frank would never harm and innocent if he did he would end himself l
@@gabrijelaziza9768 You think Frank would endgame himself because he busted someone in the mouth? What?
as always, the only hero who gets anything done is the only one who's deemed insane by the room full of super powered spandex
Sounds like something the comedian would say
except he really doesn't get anything done. he can kill entire crime syndicates and a new one will replace them in a week or two. Frank KNOWS this and has admitted as much on several occasions. even with supervillians...some new schmuck will put on the mask. Frank Castle kills because he LIKES killing. He WANTS to live in a state of perpetual war. the dead family is just an old excuse. but despite that level of insanity, he's not utterly without morals. As for his relation with Cap...Lots of killers have "soft spots"
Hannibal Lecter was a good freind to Barney his orderly, who was highly competant and professional at his job and always treated the mass murderer with courtesy. In return, Lecter halped barney get his degree through correspondance courses he was taking. When Lecter finally made his escape..it was with items he obtained when Barney wasn't working. After the escape, he sent Barney a thank you note and a generous monetary tip. For that matter, in the last book, barney is the last one to see Lecter and Clarice Starling(throughoughly brainwashed and now Lecter's lover....yes really. it's why Jodi Foster refused to do the sequel))at a concert in Argentina...They recognized each other, and Barney, who was no fool, left the country IMMIDIATELY. Until the author says otherwise, he's still alive.
So yeah..Frank castle respects Cap. idolizes him, even. he's a soldier, hero and a legitiamately good man. It's even mentioned in a tie in comic he know perfectly well what he was doing when he "fell on his sword" by killing those two supervillains..becasue he could'nt stand to see his hero cross that line. But at the end of the day, he's STILL a homicidal nutjob, too.
@@isaiahshy2406 he right you know 🤣
@@montrealstewart8339sure, a man with no morals must be the best solution.
Ok but frank doesn’t do it to save or protect any on he legitimately just like to kill he kills criminals because in his mind he doesn’t have to feel sorry or regret
Dam the punisher is COLD
You should see his brother The Scolder.
@@pTryceorl WAIT, HE HAVE A BROTHER?
@@pTryceorlPunisher’s cousin, the Teaser, is even worse, trust me
Yo forreal this man has family?
@@diomarius7445 oh yeah definitely he has a back up family
I laughed outloud when I first read this in the comics. What were they expecting? Cap is the one hero the Punisher refuses to lay a hand on- epic moment.
"Same Guy, Different War."
As a diehard Punisher fanboy and professional Frank Castle stan, I have quite a difficult time taking most Punisher stories not written by Garth Ennis seriously. However, that one line is top notch, and worthy of memory, almost as much as "When she was done, I knew a lot of men would have to die."
Ennis would never show Cap this much respect, and it’s a great layer of Castle that he is incapable of writing
I think spider man Put it best. And I think writers really need to make the point that punisher isn't bad for killing people. It's that he's bad for how much he goes straight to killing people. I mean killing a guy who just robbed a couple of banks not really hurting anybody actually offers to join up a super hero team but giving it 0 thought on killing him it's a bit much. But saying that something like carnage deserves compassion I mean what the f***.
yeah his problem shouldnt be " you kills o go to hell" but rather he takes it way too far or even outright tourtures before killing his dedication to his mission over his own or his teams wellbeing micro i think left him cause punisher pushed him away when he started to get "soft" in franks eyes
@@ethanthamouse6695I mean diamondback was a murderer right? If so I can see why Castle did him in
Frank's code is he punishes those who prey upon the innocent.
Innocent in his mind is a law abiding citizen. Somebody who agrees to adhere to the rules of a society for the sake of relative peaceful coexistence.
Beating on your wife? Frank might not kill you but you'll never be able to open a soda every again because he'll ensure you won't be able to lay a hand on anyone.
You kill? You'll get yours if he sees you. You rape? You mess with children? You sell drugs? These are either morally reprehensible, or a cog in the crime machine. Drugs are always a path to cash and power, and bad people exploit it, which does harm to the law abiding society mentioned above. So he'll kill them.
I like the comic book sociopath Frank better than the Netflix adaptation of him being this rabid dog, foaming at the mouth for a kill.
Frank isn't doing it because it's fun, or because it's calming some beast inside him. He's doing it because at his core, he feels it must be done.
Frank is just a sanitation worker, and he's the only one qualified to do the work, because his moral compass doesn't shift.
That's Frank.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674stiltman was a bank
Robber that served his time in prison and became a hero. Punisher killed him no questions asked. He’s legitimately a monster.
@@Chiefteeth1 he was once hired to murder the falcon he’s not just a bank robber
At least Punisher did infiltrate Stark's Tower and found out theres a mole in the team.
Baxter building?
I want a continuation of Ennis' version of Punisher. Mainly cause the Vietnam origin story eludes to some outside/inside force that gave Frank the choice of die on the hill or kill everyone and become something else. When he agreed, the story goes its way with the voice lastly saying "See you soon, Frank" over a picture of him and his wife and kids.
Frank didn't die on that hill with his fellow marines, but he never left either.
I will never forget reading Max and getting the issue Ennis left, with no knowledge about that at the time.
I was like "This is lukewarm trash, what the hell happened? The quality dropped like a rock." Then I found out Ennis had left. It was the moment I considered myself an Ennis fan.
@@BlazingOwnagerwhen did he finish his run on the series? I have volume 1 and have been wanting to get the others for quite some time.
People can trash comics all they want….until they read something like Watchmen, Sin City, Spawn, and the Punisher Max series.
I don’t want to see it get ruined, but I’d love to see The Punisher Max series get an animated run. I don’t want anything holding it back….I wanna see those pages come to life and put on a screen with passionate artwork and animation involved.
@@noobie1890 I'm not sure which run or #, but it was the comic the Punisher went to Mexico to fight the Cartels. Which was a great concept, I was like 'Finally, this is a perfect peanut butter and jelly matchup.'
And instead I got this watered down terrible shadow of the Ennis Punisher, which continued until the end of the series run with an incredibly stupid version of Kingpin and Elektra showing up.
If you want my advice when you get to that issue, switch to the one-off Ennis books. The last one he did, where Frank is finally going after the last of the men who killed his family in prison, is pretty much the true ending to the Ennis run as far as I'm concerned. (Esp since they stupidly kill the knock-off not-Ennis Punisher at the end of his run).
I want continue of 2004 game.
this comic was one of the first I read. such a good comic. makes you think all law isn’t always morally right.
Slavery used to be legal. It was illegal to help slaves.
Understatement of the damn millennium
@@jesterchase11 Ok and? What's your point?
@blade528 That not everyone uses critical thinking before asking questions. Thank you.
@@jesterchase11 It doesn't matter it still was fucked up and what does slavery even have to do with this?
One of the things I like about The Punisher is that he doesn’t have a rouge’s gallery because he’s killed almost all of them, except Jigsaw. He keeps Jigsaw alive because he wants his death to not be easy and for plot reasons he’s his only archenemy
One of my favourite Punisher moments, this and, in another universe, when Frank mistakenly kills Spiderman, who's helping to restrain Castle, even though it was a stray bullet that kills him, since Frank is the one who shot it, he immediately surrenders
I get Captain America's point of view, just like I get Punisher's, but I feel that they both get it wrong.
You can't always have compassion for everyone, just like you can't simply gun down everyone, there has to be a limit to either approach.
Cap shouldn't have immediately accepted the Punisher, instead, what he should have done is hear him out, and then gave him an ultimatum, in order for him to stay, he'd have to give up killing people permanently, because there's just no place for cold blooded murderers among heroes.
You do realise MARVEL heroes are fine with killing, right?
Not all of them but they do kill.
@@Kronosfobi People should keep in mind that many marvel characters tolerate Deadpool and Moon Knight but not the Punisher. That kinda says a lot about him.
Upd: "tolerate" might be a strong word. During Civil War Cap told Moon Knight that he wouldn't recruit him and would want him to stay out of the conflict because he deems Moon Knight a looney
@@greyish7212 As much as I like Deadpool, he is more of a menace than Punisher can ever be.
Punisher specifically targets gangs and criminals while has a strict rule of not killing bystanders, civillians or cops.
Deadpool doesnt give a shit on who dies as long as its not a kid.
Deadpool was a villain, hell in this video he's even at the same group with the villains that see Iron Man as a threat.
People tolerate Deadpool because he is a loud joyous idiot.
If we ever look at their deeds however, Deadpool is a far bigger, loose gaping asshole.
@@Kronosfobi As I mentioned earlier, when I stated that I could see the Punisher's point of view... Yeah, sometimes you have no choice.
Take the situation between Batman and the Joker... How many fictional people does that serial killing clown have to kill, before Batman finally puts an end to his reign of terror? And I can also imagine that during World War Two, Cap killed a bunch of Nazi Hydra soldiers on the battlefield, so his hands aren't that clean either. But it's one thing to kill a murderer who's trying to kill you, as opposed to killing an unarmed thief who's seeking your assistance.
@@greyish7212 I think the reason they don't tolerate the Punisher is because he's serious, he's not cracking jokes, or goofing around, he's getting down to business and taking out the trash, except in this case, I feel that he crossed the line... You don't kill thieves who are simply trying to talk to you.
Not a huge fan of Civil War and how it was written.
But this scene was amazing. Absolutely amazing.
And I totally get Punisher not fighting back. He's not there for that in his mind. He's there to kill criminals. He doesn't agree with Caps politics, but Cap is not a criminal.
Can we take a moment to truly appreciate the work put into the editing, the VA, and everything in between?
It’s like watching the comic come to life better than the majority of the MCU movies in the last so and so years
"we wont let that happen again"
*immediately lets it happen in the next few seconds*
Spidey was right at the end. Same guy, different war. If Cap went through what Frank did then he wouldn't be so different.
I mean I wouldn't call WW2 a pretty war to be in.
@@l0sts0ul89It was bad but Vietnam was worse in a psychological way
@sirtophamhatt4821 Also, in WW2 the Allied Soldiers were seen as war heroes. The Vietnam Soldiers were looked at as war criminals.
@@dhgmrz17 Yes at the end of the movie first blood Rambo explained well how Vietnam vets were treated compared to ww2 vets
@@l0sts0ul89No, but it was more of a “just war” from the Allied side. The vets going back home were all treated as heroes.
You can’t say the same about Vietnam, even if Frank did his best to win it while keeping his men alive.
The quality of these videos is top notch. Excellent work my friend.
The reason Cap doesn’t like the punisher is not because of what frank does, it has more to do with who frank let himself become. At one time Frank was a special forces operative, who had a belief system. He believed in doing the right thing for his country and him serving his country was directly inspired by Steve rogers, he was literally Frank’s hero. But he became corrupted overtime and Cap didn’t respect how viscous he became.
Just found you guys the other day. I didn’t know how much I would like this type of content. Well done and thank you
It’s good for readers, such as myself, to come back to this moment, great even. Same classic scene, but now with voice acting and sound effects.
0:05 their faces, I can't dude, this is genuine so funny
That was just beautiul, wasn't there something like "Cap doesn't negotiate with terrorists"? A man of true morals.
Captain America: “think, Frank, think!”
Damn that ending was surprising
At the very heart of Frank Castle you could understand him as a noble person, sometimes in this case to Captain America
Cool comic
I don't think he's insane. He's too consistent for the classification.
He has a moral code and he sticks to it. Only kill criminals, never innocents.
@@GamerGrovyle I disagree. He is insane. But so is Captain America. They are both extremists following their own brand of justice as unfalteringly as machines. Captain America's justice is considered better than the Punisher's, but he is still an extremist.
@@trutyatces8699the only way to be hero is to be an extremist iron willed one loose and flexible morals are pretty much what villains have
One the few truly high highlights of the civilwar run. well played, all characters IN character.
This video was very well done I’m definitely subscribing.
While I agree with Punisher, I would never want one on my team. Way too unpredictable.
Smart move.👍🏾
not really that unpredictable, if you know how he thinks you know what’s up it’s just that he takes little to no time to do his thing , he doesn’t think , he punishes
Plunderer and Gold Bug's worst crimes are thievery. I wouldn't say they deserved that.
They portrayed him in this series a little more homicidal than any of his stand alone comic series ever did. This version is more like vigilante from peacemaker than the punisher.
Yeah I mean even cops have informants to catch bigger criminals… imagine if you had a dude on your team that decimated your information network because of his personal vendetta
Spider-Man was juiced up in this time period too, he had about double his normal strength and a host of new abilities
Civil War Spidey was a legit powerhouse
still somehow got that much hurt being shot out of a building spideys took more damage in base and beat higher tier villians then those c tiers he nearly died to
@@nixo4108he had just got through brawling with Iron Man, and prior to that had been through some stressful events, he was mostly exhausted by the time he hit the sewers.
The video cuts out a big portion of the fight with iron man. He was also being disoriented by a gas bomb from Jack o Lantern
@@MISTAWULFY still its spiderman he shoudlve smoked those c tiers hes been half dead before and beat the sinister 6 with little difficulty
your videos are top quality bro i enjoy every last second of them
Your videos are too good, the narrations, the transitions, the audio. You deserve way more subs, I’m binging these right now
I just love this. Most of the heroes don't want to put anyone in the ground, but Castle is willing to get results. Punisher is flawed, but the opposite side of it for the other heroes. I love watching them interact
So that makes him a good guy?
Punishers a man whose let his "MORALITY" commit THOUSANDS of murders,
he's no better than the criminals he hunts
Just another psycho with a gun
The dude avenge his family a LONG time ago but because of his want for conflict and challenge
He even admits that you could have stopped , but the Vietnam war changed him ... The need for blood 🩸
If he really wanted to change things he could be trying to rehabilitate understand or even help the situation
But instead he chooses to dedicate his life to becoming murderer...
It's a no-win situation, there always be bad people, from now to the end of time
It's an endless war
The only result he gets is just putting more people the ground,
And he knows it
@@Scarlettspider-h4v Hence why I say he's flawed. But at the same time, he goes after organized crime and unlike other heroes, say Batman, he makes sure that they stay gone.
@@dragonknight8020
But it's not always as simple as aiming a gun 🔫 and solving all their problems
As long as there's human choice
They're always be the choice of evil
They don't just "STAY GONE"
there'll be thousands more just like the other Guy
What truly makes a difference is when people strive to be better than that
Yes we have bad people in this world... That's not going away anytime soon
But there are people who can change
And people who choose to be good
Nobody is defined just by what they do
Which is why superheroes are special in general
Cuz they inspire to be better🦸♀️
@@Scarlettspider-h4v ... My man, you're telling me you'd rather have someone like the Joker just keep running around? Keep breaking out? Keep killing?
@@dragonknight8020 No my Man, but that don't mean you go around killing anybody who steps out of line,
There are the people like the joker out there...
But there are also people like Mr freeze... Whose life hasn't been the best to them
And if done right, they can have a second chance,
Not saying that mr. Freeze's right for what he did
InFact he should pay for his crimes
But he still just as human as anybody in Gotham, who's been dealt a bad hand
Even JOKER has that human right,
Despite the horrible things he's done, he's still just has a man like any of us,
Joker should be punished for what he's done
But under the right conditions, with life waning and tearing us down...
any of us can become like that ...
And sadly there are many examples of that in real life
3:47 said the guy who didn’t lose his entire family in front of his eyes
“Frank castle is insane” yeah no shit lol he only seen his family gunned down by criminals *after* fighting in a war both resulting in some sever ptsd
I never, ever thought I'd see Captain America beat the crap out of The Punisher! And then at that, The Punisher just took it!
Capt is his hero
@@daniell5740 yeah, but who is Cap's hero? He is just awesome!
@@michaelcraffuncle sam
This video doesn't show it but in the comic panel he doesn't say just "no not against you."
He says, NO SIR not against you
This shows the respect the former Marine gunnery sergeant Frank Castle had for Army Captain Steven Rogers.
Spiderman is the only one to understand the punisher😢
He tries to understand everyone even his villains and people who save his life
The Punisher punishes.
That's wtf he does...
..and he does it spectacularly.
💀
Oh my god I just love your channel so much. I hope it grows even faster
I feel bad for those 2 villains.
Dude you got to do full story this is amazing
WW2 vets: save the world and fight for freedom
Vietnam vets: shoot anything that moves
Spiderman would quite literally one shot everyone there💀but the writers always making him hold back and lose to the dumbest stuff😭
Yoo nice usage of the AI and very respectul commentsry, good shit man keep it up
Dang this is a really good comic
And really good channel
If this series' spiderman was how he was as orig described, he coud grab Iron Man and crush him against his Own forehead like an empty beer can. OG Spiderman was ridiculously OP
I was not expecting that. I love it. Give me a Marvel movie like this just raw and to the point.
These movies aren't lesser than a movie IMO🤩
Gotta make these longer bro seriously or make ‘em faster WE NEED YOI
"Same guy, different war." exactly. Cap can't understand because he doesn't have a family to lose but if he had and lost a family the way Frank did, let's just say we'd have a much more powerful Punisher. It's easy to judge others without walking in their shoes. Also cap really trying to act like he never killed anyone? Really? And a lot of the other heroes too? Are we forgetting Luke Cage's original origins? At least Frank is honest with himself. Cap is just a hypocrite pretending to be a boy scout.
Cap doesn’t kill people like Frank does. He only kills when it’s absolutely necessary, like in war. And Cap has lost family before. His adopted son was shot right in front of him by his girlfriend and that didn’t cause him to go off the deep end like Frank. Many heroes lose their loved ones, but they understand that it’s not an excuse to go full psycho and start killing people just because they’ve done some bad things. And if you want to know a true hypocrite, then look no further than Franks himself. Back when Cap was made a Hydra agent Frank went right along with him. After that whole debacle Frank would then go on to kill some Hydra Agents, saying that they deserved to die just because they were Hydra. That means that Franks deserved a bullet in his head after he joined Hydra so why didn’t he kill himself?
Yo this Morgan Feeman like narration just made the Civil War tens times more interesting and important lol
This is the Punisher we know, not the Disney nudered version just ridiculed and killed by his newly resurrected wife.
…what the utter fucking drugs you taking? That entire last half felt like you just made that up
Wait WHAT?!!???!!!!!!!!!
Wait what?
I know right.
ARE YOU KIDDING?
You do such a good job on this videos, kudos
shame to see you not get more attention the voices and music works great good job
My favorite moment in Civil War. 2 men of extreme morals squaring up
i love the voice acting so much, its so good!
Caps voice doesn’t seem to fit , at least I think so.
man i do wish this channel would do longer videos. they would give comicstorian a run for his money
Nah, Benny would win.
Frank is always on sight!
The voicework was excellent
The people who believe frank castle is wrong are the same people who believe that Batman letting criminals live to kill more people is right
I always say thats Gothams justice systems fault.
... Frank Castle killed a reformed D list villain who was trying to be a hero.
@@poopyscoopy6984Gotham's justice system has probably been engineered by corrupt people paid by the very criminals that keeps evading it.
Kind of like in real life where politicians made it so when they or their friends steal millions from the taxpayer they go to a resort for a few years and then get out and still get to keep their fraud money while when a poor guy steal something to eat he goes in for a decade or two to serve as slave labor in prison.
Oh and if you think I just described America? No I just described every single country on earth not just the capitalist ones.
Frank Castle is wrong, you can't just kill everyone because you have a moral code and feels like you are the center of the fucking universe, Batman is sometimes wrong because some villains needs to be stopped permanently, there is a line, you should kill to defend yourself and other people when it's only absolutely necessary
@@loganwoods1590Yeah, the other guy deserved it since he sided with Thanos on world wide genocide, but the other villain's biggest crime was sealing people in gold dust...dying from asphyxiation if they weren't broken free...
Okay, so maybe from Punisher's point of view, the other guy was kind of a monster as well. Just because you're a thief with a gimmick gun doesn't mean your gimmick gun doesn't kill people. Although he could of reformed, even though he WAS too stupid to live.
(He buys enormous amounts of gold dust for his weapon to commit heists, encase guards and other people in his way in gold, and usually fails his heists)
And the thing that sucks is that the Thanos ally survived due to retcon while gold dust man is still dead.
😂frank castle is the only one that is not insane in that room. Those guys dressed in halloween custom suits and expect the criminals would magically reform themselves after they were defeated or imprisoned. 😂
You do know that the only reason Frank is walking around is BECAUSE of these heroes???? He’s literally just as bad as the people he’s murdered and has worked with murderers, he’s a insane hypocrite
One of my major issues with this story is that Peter did not do anything wrong when he decided to leave The Avengers. Why on earth was Tony's team trying to kill him???
Because the ones who attacked him were villains. Iron Man had begun recruiting supervillains in his fight against Cap’s team. The Jester and Jack O’Lantern saw it as an opportunity to kill Spider-Man.
@@blechb5317 Lol you could be right. But I mostly think it's the result of shoddy writing by bad liberal writers who have no business working in the comic book industry.
I need that panel of Jon Bernthal's Frank Castle holding Tom Holland's Spider-Man in whatever ground-level crossover event they are making.
This is what the movie COULD have been, what it SHOULD have been.
@@b.-p2i You’re welcome to enjoy the movie more than the book since it only required about 10% as much story understanding, but please don’t lie and claim the movie is better than the book.
@@b.-p2i Opinion, it’s your opinion that the movie is better, and you’re welcome to that opinion.
@@b.-p2i Everyone knows the comic was miles better than the movie
@@b.-p2iI disagree and I think you're absolutely wrong, but to each their own. What matters is that you enjoyed the movie as you much as you did
okay the fact that spidey was giving more respect to franks insanity or whatever you wish to call it over cap shows how good his heart is
Anyone would show you respect if you saved their ass from getting curb stomped by two 2 psychopaths in a sewer drain
"Frank Castle is insane," Technically right, but also wrong.
Frank Castle is the hero betrayed. The hero that has had his heart torn out, and sees nothing but darkness.
The Punisher is not a hero, or even an antihero. He is the final line of judgement. Why should murderers walk? Why should thieves prosper? Why should injustice be tolerated at all? Captain America is a Hero. He sees the best in people, and strives with every fiber of his being to lead people to be better. Frank Caste is the answer to those that say "no."
Because why should murders walk free? Why should thieves prosper? Why should injustice be tolerated at all? Sacrifices for the "greater good."
Make them yourself, *hero*
Why should he kill people that change there ways like the the video showed 😒
I like how Iron Man waits till his goons have fully emptied their magazines into Spider-Man before telling them to not shoot Spider-Man.
Ah yes frank is insane Yet the villains you capture get out and kill over and over again.
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
Batman in a nutshell. lol
Not there fault nor is it there job to be executioner and the punisher ain't no better
You think literally every single criminal deserves death? No second chance to reform? Because Frank believes otherwise, he doesn't has a moral scale for criminals and sees all of them equally, a fundamentally flawed way of thinking.
good music choice there at the end when the frame hit cap and the music hit
That face captain america has in the title had to be the most american 🇺🇸 captain america has ever looked to me.
Agreed
i love how you narrate these stories
At least Punisher doesn’t actually have superpowers. We see how well that went in the DC Injustice story. Imagine someone like Hulk or Thor with the same attitude as Frank Castle.
So, Ghost Rider
Punisher: So anyway I started blasting
They hit them, they get back up. Frank hits them, they stay down.
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
@@UnisRapper Punisher also kills rich people and corrupt cops lol
The silence after he kills them I just imagined everyone’s face including caps and this man says “Wht?…”😂😂😂😂😂😂
i always wanted to get into comics but as much as i respect them i just cant get sucked into them but these vids got me..also i realized how watered down the movie adaptations are
Prison is cruel. Punishment is just. The sum who cross the line into the domain of evil deserve no more sympathy than they would grant their victims.
The first and second World War was crazy. Vietnam was madness. Iraq and Afghanistan was insane.
Franky boy don't bargain with criminals.
You go the crime way, you get the punishment.
Insanity would be arresting murderers over and over again expecting different results.
Frank is the only sane one there.
Frank is a deranged killer who lives only to murder. Criminals are just a convenient target for him. He loves to kill, after his time in Vietnam he fantasized about killing people when he found easy opportunities, and later reflect that maybe his family being murdered was for the best so he could have a convenient outlet for his bloodlust. His way also yields zero results, since his war on crime will never end. There’s always more murderers and scumbags out there, Punisher doesn’t even make a dent in the overall scope of it.
Tell that to the one's whi change their way but nope punisher killed 😒
Cap is one bad day from being the punisher
Not really? He’s seen his adopted son get shot right in front of him by his girlfriend and that still didn’t break him
@@icegodsavior8885 he’s a hydra agent
@@tykeriancollins806 Nope. Never has been in his life. Nice try
Am i the only one that thinks frank was the right dude here, sometimes it just feels like the superheroes try to take the moral highground. When these supervillains kill countless people, the superheroes just beat them and thats it, but when a supervillain is killed, they go totally insane one the killers of the villains. Just like in DC when the joker was killed by jason todd and batman ent completely insane on him.
You not alone, I agree.
I agree with you but probably is because i am a fanboy of punisher XD my favourite marvel character
Yeah but your trying to compare the joker to these two is a bit much joker as you said kills people but these two just steal shit so for punisher to kill them feels a bit too much
Yeah.
But as the guy above said, there's no reason NOT to kill the Joker. These guys though? They were just thieves :/
imo the only reason why it happens is becouse comics need those villains becouse in real world they are would be dead by know.
i like the issue of Punisher that retells this story from Frank's perspective. He wasn't an idiot. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. If Frank Castle CAN have a hero, it's Cap. and he couldn't let his hero compromise himself. that rabbit hole gets deep and dark REAL fast. But he also knew Cap was getting desperate. this all leads into the Death of captain America arc where Frank actually TRIES to take over the mantle....and he realizes he just can't do it. It's too BIG. by the time a VERY pissed off Bucky catches up with him...Frank assures him he won't do it again.
Side note: he DIDN"t take out Dimondback, and he COULD have.
What scares me about punisher is people, (usually us americans) idolize him but miss the point of what he dose plus, they dont understand that hes also crazy as well
What scares me most is people commenting on Americans when they no nothing of the country or culture...
What scares me most is the people that will say things like this and sleep soundly at night ONLY because hard men stand ready to do violence to keep them safe.
Keep that ant-America rhetoric based off a comic coming though... It's adorable.
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_IIIand yet pretty sure the point to punisher character is not that.
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III you mean the American culture that loves guns so much they are willing to accept school shootings to continue? yeah sure that's adorable.
3:04 This looks hard 🔥🔥🔥
Captain America's face 😂😂😂
The older I get the more I understand the punisher.
I hope you understand, but dont agree
@@andresaguilarcampoy631 hmm, I’m not entirely sure. What’s the difference between seeking Justice on two killers who have probably killed more than one person each and the state placing them on death row? Hero’s put them in jail, they inevitable break out, go back to killing some more. A great example is the joker, he’s been to jail, mental institution multiple times and he always get out and kills more. Though I respect Batman and love his character, he could have saved hundred of lives if he had taken one life.
@@jessev2295 but he would get corrupted, just like punisher for example, you dont decide who gets redemption and who dont. You cant just play judge jury and executioner, even less if you are a superpowered or full of gear/resources vigilante. Who are you going to answer to ?
@@andresaguilarcampoy631 so who does decide? A justice system that debatably fails consistently to actually stop crime? In this case there was a balance, you have hero’s like Cap who have a moral code that saves his purity, but because of this people die. Then you have hero’s like punisher who sacrificed his purity to put an end and complete stop on acts of evil. Those villains he killed will never harm another person again, at least I believe that is his logic. Given his history with violence, loss, trauma, I understand his motives. I get where you’re coming from, I do believe that there’s a better way on stoping crime, but I’d be ignorant if I were to think that everyone can be saved or deserves a second chance.
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
punisher is what batman would really be irl cuz u can’t let any murderers or superpowered criminals live or they do it again
how can his spider sense can't detect a bomb ticking
It did but he was to damaged to actually fight back or dodge, all he could do was run.
To add context of civil war, this story line was a dig at US policy and Guantanamo Bay. Because all the hero's and villains were sent to the negative zone that housed a supermax for the super powered, because you refused to comply to the superpower act. Regardless if you lived a normal life, crime fighter or villain you were guilty, no trial....just incarceration. This ultimately lead to the death of Captain America, and find out that it was Red Skull who was manipulation the whole thing.
To be honest, this doesn't really seem like the Cap from the comics. Cap would have asked Punisher to leave without raising his hand and even respect his military credentials and understanding Castle since he has also been at the other end of the war.
It seems like half the interactions in these civil war comics is Tony wanting to talk things out peacefully and team cap just starts blasting. I mean I understand their point of view, but being so arrogant that they're completely unable to compromise is kinda offputting
No... Frank Castle was right. Only Frank lives in the real world and Cap still lives in make believe land where there's always a way. Even Peter is old enough to see through Caps BS every time and push Caps SH! in when it's warranted, every time.
No he wasn’t. Killing people without having any kind of due process is insane. These two villains specifically were only thieves. Death was not suitable for their crimes. In fact, one of them(I believe his name is plunderer) turned out to not be the real plunderer but someone he hired to wear his suit
Punisher like cap believes in what he does is good and thats why even the ghost riders penance stare doesn't affect him because he doesn't feel guilty killing criminals.
I don't know if it's ever happened, but I would love for someone to tell Punisher:
"There are no good guys or bad guys; besides your costume, nothing in life is that black and white"
The smoke coming off the gun was amazing
the heroes acting like frank is worse than the mass murderers he kills is just mind boggling to me
The problem is Frank is a vigilante who actually kills criminals and believes he's above the law to not allow due process. Frank is actually scary because how capable he is to invade law taking him in for murdering criminals. Frank doesn't see grey, either you are good or bad, no in between. The heroes hate him because he does what they don't do. They won't cross the line and will try to reason with criminals and even save them. They are vigilantes that can't be taken in by normal street PD but they know they are trusted to let the police handle criminals. Frank is right and wrong at the same time on criminals. Him killing rapist, traffickers, warlords, and ped0s isn't wrong but a guy robbing a convenience store to feed their family doesn't deserve it.
Just like the modern justice system, they are more angry at people that face criminals than the criminal theirselves.
honestly I think it would be interesting if the punisher had an arch nemesis who fought on the opposite side of the war. The arch nemesis would kill rich people, and cops which would be the opposite of the punisher but this time she would also be like him thinking that by killing all the corrupt rich people and cops the world would be better. It would be interesting since Frank Castle would have someone who despite have different views on how to fight evil would also understand him and his ptsd and also sympathize with frank castle's killing unlike the rest of the marvel universe.
It's not that he kills mass murderers and rapists. It's that he'll also kill literally anyone wearing a mask if he doesn't know them