I remember a bit in Zombie Island, I think during the "Terror Time" chase, where Scooby falls into quicksand and a zombie hands Shaggy a length of vine. At first, it just looks like one of those gags they like to use during chases, but it was actually foreshadowing that the zombies weren't the true villains of the piece.
I agree. It was definitely subtle foreshadowing of the zombies' possible good intentions. However, I can't help but notice how after Simone, Lena and Jacques miss the midnight deadline and recreate the end of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark', the zombies are seen lurching menacingly toward the Gang before they, too, evaporate. It almost looked like they were ready to hurt the Gang themselves. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Maybe more then actually caring for the gang, the zombies or at least some of them actually wanted to use the gang to defeat the cat creatures. It has been noted that at first Moonscar seems to want to kill Shaggy and Scooby when resurrected. After all if they died, the villains would be left without food. This tough doesn't explain while that one zombie saved Shaggy and Scooby so maybe at least that one was actually benevolent. Or he tough that if the gang where al tougheter they would have more opportunity to save themself from the cats.
Yeah, it'd have been one thing if 'Return to Zombie Island' had been produced by the same team that wrote the original, but what we got was a cynical cash grab. They should have made a completely original film instead of trying to rehash fan nostalgia. Thanks for watching and commenting!
This was fantastic. It's great to see they got a good score even with the outfit score giving them a disadvantage. On a another note I personally think A Pup Named Scooby Doo wouldn't count as a low point. That show actually tries to be a decent kids show and some of the monsters and schemes are completely insane even if the franchise itself was on life support.
'A Pup Names Scooby-Doo' has a LOT of fans, despite my not being one of them. To be fair, before re-watching 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies', I figured I'd dislike them much more than I did. If and when I visit 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo', it's possible my view might change, but it's unlikely. People complain about the art in 'Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!' but that was Studio Ghibli compared to what we got in the other series. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
Fun Fact: Scooby Doo on Zombie Island was cannibalised from an unmade episode of Swat Kats The Radical Squadron called Succubus which also became The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest episode Eclipse.
I actually never watched Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island...I read it. I still have this Scooby-Doo book from back when I was a little girl that consists of four stories, three of which being based on Scooby-Doo movies: The Legend of the Vampire, Witch's Ghost, and Zombie Island. The Zombie Island story actually stayed true to the movie so props to that...even though it genuinely scared me as a child 😅
I grew up in the 1970s and home video wasn't a thing, so the closest I got at the time was a toy that featured little reels on 8mm film of maybe 15 seconds of footage from the show. The only one I remember having with clarity was the Snow Ghost chasing Velma and Scooby on the log. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Simone and Lena's fatal flaw was underestimating Shaggy and Scooby. Sure, they aren't particularly smart, but they are fast and destructive. Those two ending the reign of terror of supernatural mass murderers will always be the pinnacle of the characters.
Underestimating the raw power of panicked cowardice has foiled more than one villain scheme, that's for certain! Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
This was certainly a pleasant surprise! As much as I'm looking forward to The Scooby-Doo Show, this was a good (and well-deserved) break in-between long shows. I fully agree with referring to these four movies as the "Scooby-Doo Renaissance" films for the reasons you stated. I've referred to them as such for many years, though that's due to me considering the mid-late '90s and early 2000s as a major renaissance period for animation in general, and these movies definitely played a large part.
It really was a good time for animation, wasn't it? I think it's because so many who grew up with 1970s and 1980s shows started making their own TV series and took their love of animation seriously. Thanks for watching and commenting!
That’s their own decision in going down that dark path. Not to mention, they were worshipping an idol that is condemned by religious people who worship God.
I read that once as a child and it horrified me. Let's just leave it at saying the kindly Tin Woodsman USED his axe. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
Can you really blame them, though? If you're in the middle of a scheme and a talking dog and a beatnik show up and run away from literally themselves making scary faces, do you really think your plan is in that much danger? Thanks for watching and commenting!
Here's a scene I would have added: the gang talk with Moonscar's spirit, stating with was because of him and his crew that innocent people were lured to the island. Moonscar, not denying he and his crew committed countless atrocities, many for mere amusement, replies that no soul, be they guilty or innocent, deserves the fate they ended up with.
That would have indeed added some pathos to what would have otherwise been an entirely irredeemable villain. Pity we never got a sequel or they could have explored this idea. Yup. We never got a sequel. Never. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
Scooby doo zombie island trvia from IMDB - This film marks the first time someone besides Casey Kasem voices Shaggy. Reason being, Kasem refused to provide the voice of Shaggy if he would not be vegetarian like himself (Shaggy eats crayfish in this movie). Instead, Shaggy is voiced by Billy West. Lillard became the official voice of Shaggy Rogers after Casey Kasem retired from the role in 2009. He and Kasem collaborated for the first time on the series Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated (2010), wherein Lillard portrayed Shaggy and Kasem portrayed Shaggy's father, Colton. After bringing the beloved character to life in live-action with 2002’s Scooby-Doo and its 2004 sequel Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed, actor Matthew Lillard has went on to firmly establish himself as the voice of Norville ‘Shaggy’ Rogers in the various Scooby-Doo animated outings since 2010.
The way I've always viewed the Curse is that anyone who is drained completely and killed by a cursed creature are, themselves, cursed to return as the undead on the night of the harvest. Some are able to manifest as spirits prior, but for most it is only when the moon is at its highest. The other thing is, I don't think it matters what they did to the bodies. We see with Moonscar that they will manifest from almost nothing, including roughly recreating whatever they wore at the time of death. The two of them could have kept a mulcher around and ground their bones to make their bread and they'd still rise from the swamp as zombies the year after. That's the thing with a full on absolute supernatural curse from an ancient God- reality is what they decree and logic is only a suggestion. The interesting thing to me is why would they allow such a thing to happen, specifically, the Cat God they worshiped. And I believe its an interesting look at karmic justice. They made a deal with the cat god to get revenge for the deaths of their people. That should have been the end of it. The cat worshipers on the island before then were, presumably, peaceful. They didn't practice human sacrifice or the like. Yes that means that they would have been doomed to die relatively soon, but that's the price you pay for revenge- literally. But they kept it going far beyond revenge. They kept adding more and more victims for reasons that went beyond their God, but for their own greed and survival. For the sake of self instead of worship and people. As far as we know their God never told them to keep doing that shit, and it would stand to reason, the zombies that grew in number year after year, coming after them and haunting them and trying to stop them, that is the logical curse on *them*. They could choose to let it end, that it was enough and they were content, but they never were- so the zombies kept growing and growing and eventually would have overrun them.
I may not have done a good enough job explaining it in my video, but one of my takes is that the reason the zombies didn't attack Simone or Lena is because they didn't appear until AFTER Shaggy and Scooby disturbed the remains of Morgan Moonscar. Up to that point, the cat creatures' victims could only manifest as incorporeal spirits capable of little more than petty vandalism and other minor poltergeist activities. As to what happens to the victims' bodies, if we go by the classic Dracula conventions, only those drained by Simone or Lena who LIVED would be able to remain as a typical undead. Which begs the question: how did they turn Jacques? Was he one of their victims they drained but didn't kill, so he recovered and then became a cat creature himself? Or did they have to pray with him at the altar just like they did two centuries earlier? Of course, in the first scenario, that would make Shaggy and Scooby cat creatures themselves now, as they were briefly drained by Simone and Lena. Then again, it's also possible with the death and evaporation of the two women, whatever curse remained in the teen and dog was removed before they ever got a chance to change themselves. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
well as for the ghosts not outright saying what they should maybe they can. Maybe talking to the living even with those two-word phrases is a monumental task but he did say four words so "Simon Lina are murderers" may have been a better bet
I always planned on doing them, but figured I'd wait until they came up chronologically (meaning long after I finish 'The Scooby-Doo Show' and other releases). After finally finishing 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies', I needed a break from the series and said to hell with it and covered my all-time favorite Scooby film. I will likely do the other Renaissance films in between videos of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' villains, so look for 'Witch's Ghost' in the not too distant future (hopefully). Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
@JoeGoesOver I'm really glad that you've always planned to do these! Yeah, needing a break is understandable that was a pretty hard series to get through, covering your favourite movie is the best one to do too! That'd be interesting to see you do it between Scooby Doo Show villain rankings No problemo thank you for the incredible content as always!
This is a great start to some of the early Movies that reignited the franchise. Also, take your time with the rest of the Movies since Thanksgiving coming up followed by the Holidays and New Years so be sure to take a well deserved break to spend some time with family.
I appreciate the sentiment! And trust me, I take plenty of breaks. After all, SOMEONE has to save Sandrock from that wicked outlaw Logan! Unfortunately, most of my family and friends have moved away from my area, so the holiday season is mostly spent with just my wife and my son and his girlfriend. This works out, though, because I hate driving like Johnny Depp hates baths. Thank you for watching and commenting!
What an unexpected surprise! I wondered I'd you were going to be doing any of the films, and it seems I have been answered. Unfortunately, I didn't grow up with the 90's Scooby movies so I don't love them as much as my two favorite films "Stage Fright" & "Campscare", but they're all still undeniably fantastic pictures. Of all the Scooby films, Simone is personally one of my favorite antagonists, but for a very childish reason... Her utterly over-the-top French accent! I'm a Mongol that had lived in France for a while and, while the accent isn't too far off, it's still pretty exaggerated and I do love that. Once again, great video, Joe! You deserved a little reward after seeing Scooby & faded celebraties run from incredibly non-frightening individuals.
Thank you very much! This was definitely a needed change of pace from the series I just covered. Though not French myself, Adrienne Barbeau definitely did a passable accent (to my ears). Is it possible that as she's two hundred years old, her accent is more inline with the original French settlers colonizing the Louisiana territory, and since she wasn't around modern speakers, she wouldn't know to tone it down a bit? Uh, Simone the character is two hundred years old. Not Adrienne Barbeau the actress. Who frankly looks amazing for someone approaching 80. Thanks for watching!
@@JoeGoesOver I've been to New Orleans and, now that you mention it, many old Frenchies I know there that were cohorts of my grandmother's have a similar accent to Simone so, that does seem to be a plausible case.
I was wondering why you had to re-upload it. It's a shame that you have to remove that extra section, but I suppose it was necessary to avoid getting a copyright. That said, that was an awesome video. I like the rating you gave the villains of Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island. I'm looking forward to seeing what D.O.O. score you plan on giving the other villains of the Scooby-Doo Renaissance movies. I'm also looking forward to seeing show videos for the Scooby-Doo Show.
I've started the script for the first episodes of 'The Scooby-Doo Show'. I'll have to see how it goes, but I think I'll do a few videos on that series, then hit 'Witch's Ghost' and/or the other two films. It will mostly depend on how well everything flows. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Daphne wiping her hands on her skirt in disgust after touching the zombie is another one of the priceless little touches that made this such a stellar film! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Considering the zombies disintegrated as soon as Simone Lina and Jacque died, my guess is that the curse that transformed them also prevented the zombies from being disposed of, meaning that they couldn’t rest until the curse was broken. That, or like ghosts in film, the zombies being alive were the direct result of their murderers being still alive and thus they couldn’t rest until their murderers were dead. Like Velma said “Their spirits have been avenged, Shaggy, so they can finally rest in peace”. In other words, they had been cursed to wander around as zombies for as long as Simone and Lina remained alive, and they were finally released from it when the werecats died..
Glad this is finally uploaded properly, as soon as you said it was a patrons only early access mistake i actually just put on the older episodes. I didn't wanna take advantage of that. I'm so excited to properly watch it, this was my first real horror experience as a kid. Because going into it around '08 I never knew it existed, and what it was about.
Count yourself lucky if you could have seen the uncut version. I had to excise half of the video before it passed content matching, and even now I'm nervous I'll get hit with another one at some point! 'Where Are You?' scared the hell out of me as a kid in the 1970s, but 'Zombie Island' reignited my Scooby fandom, long since cooled by the Scrappy years. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JoeGoesOver I sadly didn't actually watch it when I commented last night. It's not a huge deal. But I fucking love your content Joe, seeing your love for this series, you uploading Is a highlight of my week. Keep doing what you do Joe
I had planned on a Saturday release, but after all the TH-cam content match issues, I figured I'd upload it now and hope for the best. It's been a while since I've had to re-encode and re-upload so many times before it went through, and I'm still nervous about it seeing it flagged when I wake up tomorrow. Usually, content match happens immediately with my stuff. This time around, despite being initially given the okay, it took over a day later for my video to get dinged. Thanks for watching and commenting!
This Scooby renaissance really capitalized on people like me born in the early 90's with parents born in the early 60's. Our local move store (not rental store, but a store) had all the vhs tapes and we'd buy all the classic episodes (the 20 out of 25 available), these four renaissance movies and the three red shirt movies. We also got Arabian nights which was an absolute dud in my house.
Yeah, I really can't count 'Arabian Nights' as a Scooby film. I've watched Scooby almost my entire half century of being, but didn't actually get home video until the DVD era when I wanted my kids to watch. My son didn't care much for the show but my daughter is a huge fan at least. It's one of the few shows we watched together and she's the one who pushed me into making Scooby stuff on my channel. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I'd still argue their human forms are disguises, as they did create a cover for themselves that is not indicative of their factual origins, intentions and lives. Also, I just love the idea that this is a Scooby Doo story where the monsters disguise themselves as humans, rather than the other way around. I would argue human skinsuits the Spooky Island demons use in the first live action movie should also count as the outfit score, and should be low, because of how bad they are at imitating humans. Lastly, to go back to the Batman analogue, I don't think Bruce Wayne is just nothing, an empty husk Batman wears as a disguise, I do believe the public persona Bruce has very much is just a mask, that is not who he is, he's a smart, heroic, caring man who fights crime and takes care of his family, he can't be that while he's out on the town, he can only be himself in privacy, with friends, or while he's in disguise as Batman so no one can recognize him. Same here. Lena and Simone's personalities did not get overriden by the cat god, but Simone the rich plantation owner and Lena the housekeeper are not who they really are, the cruel killers with magic powers who lived for centuries are what they are.
You make a good argument for Simone and Lena's "disguises". There have been other moments in Scooby-Doo where a "monster" is disguised as a human. 'Alien Invaders' comes immediately to mind, though I don't think benevolent aliens should be classified as "monsters". Batman has gone through so many different personas over the years, and the "single-minded vigilante pretending to be a billionaire" is just one of them. My memory is fuzzy, but I believe in one of the animated series, there was a moment when Batman's secret identity was protected from a psychic attack because he only ever saw himself as Batman and not Bruce Wayne. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
Thanks for the kind words! I've had videos give me issues before, but this one was just unrelenting trying to get through the copyright matching system. I wish TH-cam would learn that "fair use" isn't only meant to be stamped on corn dog fryers! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I’d like to think that they hid the bodies in the swamp as a way to cover up their sacrifice after all and investigator usually just looks for signs of foul play if the bodies are found, they could just say oh they probably just died in the swamp or something
But if any bodies were found, regardless of their condition the authorities would likely order an autopsy. I'm not sure what a coroner would find examining a corpse that had its life force sucked dry, but it's likely it would be weird enough that the death would not be ruled "accidental". Worse (for Simone and Lena), once one body was uncovered, it's likely investigators would start digging for more. And have you SEEN how many zombies started popping up all over the place? It's practically planet Gideon of corpses on Moonscar Island! Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
@@JoeGoesOver usually op, topsy’s are used to find signs of foul play, poisoning, or stabs wounds, if examining the corpse doesn’t find anything that seems foul play, they would not assume murder, plus if they killed them in their cat forms, they can just say it was like some sort of wild animal they killed them
Okay so i got to tell this story about zombie island and my experience. My first exposure to it was a junior book which summarized the whole film in 10 or so pages in Indonesian. I got to the part when shaggy and scooby drank swamp wayer and i got disguted and then i turned some pages to when both almost got their life force sucked out and i thought they got that way because of drinking swamp water
Thank you for your nice comments! The first part of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' Villain Rankings is now live for my Patreon members and should be available for everyone else in a day or two, barring any unforeseen TH-cam shenanigans. Thanks for watching!
Be forewarned, I'm taking notes. When you get around to the first live-action Scooby-Doo movie, we'll see if you can give that a score based in objectivity as well; since when you think about it, the villain in that one and this movie are using the exact same tactics... except the live-action villain was way more successful at it.
There are quite a few similarities between 'Zombie Island' and 'Scooby-Doo' (2002). Whenever I get there, I will likely point that out and it should definitely have some bearing on the design score! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hah! Nope! I'm actually in the middle of the script going over the first episodes of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' and have finished most of the supporting art. I promise this will be my next upload!
I just love rewatching this movie. Last time I did it, I tried to match all the zombies with their alive counterparts that appeared in the flashbacks. Found all the pirates, but as for the spice traders, I only found bearded guy on the boat (the blonde zombie in a blue coat) and the long haired guy behind him.
That's awesome! Apart from Moonscar, it never even occurred to me to try matching zombies to their flashback counterparts! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I feel like the zombies might just be manifested from the clay and roots of the swamp, and moonscar is just a special exception cuz his bones are still around. I also LOVE the idea that the zombies were only summoned cuz of shaggy and scooby, brings a whole new light on the film now. I'd also argue that their human forms are their disguise, and that with the human face being a mask, they can change it however they want with makeup. After all, their real identities are over 200 years old, so there's no way anyone would think of their real names. and what judge would sign an arrest warrant for a 200+ year old person?
Plenty of southern judges hold grudges that transcend time and space. I mean, a lot of them are still fighting on the losing side of the American Civil War, so I'd bet it'd be easy to find half a dozen in Louisiana willing to sign off on a warrant for Simone and Lena, especially since so many of their victims were Confederate soldiers. Hell, English Royalists dug up Oliver Cromwell's corpse and "executed" him three years after he actually died, so there's precedent! Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
I was hoping that the movies would eventually get covered. I'm eagerly looking forward to when you poke the many, many holes in Monster of Mexico's scheme.
@@JoeGoesOver Oh yeah, I was thinking it would be at least a year or two down the road depending on whether you decide to skip some series, if not longer. I'm just looking forward to it because as far as plans go, the bad guy's scheme in that movie barely ranks above Karl the Stuntman.
@@Zacman1123 thank you. Also, all magic and voodoo aside, vengeance alone is very much a traditional animating force for zombies of murdered people, even if they kind of had it coming, in the pirate’s case.
I was hoping for this Ranking Villains for A Pup Named Scooby Doo too, but this was also a lot of fun. :p I wish they didn't try to ruin it with Return for no reason...
I'm afraid it's unlikely that I'll be covering 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' in the foreseeable future. It's not a series I particularly liked, though I'm forced to appreciate it has its own very loyal fandom. I won't 100% rule it out, though. Who knows? I didn't think I'd ever complete 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies' either, and I went into that dreading what most of the episodes would be like. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
@@JoeGoesOver Its just all the work you put in to in, Allthough i sometime disagree with some of the points i really appreaciate when passionated fans gives us this kind of content, Your points is valid but i think my scale for a good Scooby Doo episode is do i fell entertained by this episode.
Well this movie was originally meant to be an episode for the Swat Kats which got cancelled and then later it was used in the Jonny Quest episode Eclipse as they have the same writers for this movie. Well about the Batman thing where it’s not only the Alter Ego thing but it’s also that the cat people (as I thought you were going to mention the Cat People from the 40’s and the Sleepers as they are doing the same thing) who half the cast are voiced acted in Batman TAS but the Green goblin from Spider-Man where Norman Osborn is the Mask and the Green goblin is real face as that was not the case in movies Well I do wonder what the Cat people have been doing all those years like we don’t know much about Simone and Lena lives before Moon-scar came along because it never stated that were they married like Simone was definitely the Leader without a husband and Lena never mention having one ether because they are definitely a Dracula and Renfield type relationship as well as Jaques which speaking of I would have imagine it being like Hela and Skurge in Thor Ragnarok on how they first met as they would teach him how to use the power, but I don’t get why they need wax anyway because they are fast as cheetahs (ha get it from Wonder Woman 1984) as Shaggy and Scooby are afraid of everything and are so easy to fool but finally they really need to be immortal because all they wanted to do was kill the pirates for killing their people but I guess the power got into their heads and that why they continue on with this.
I touch on Simone and Lena's motivations in my 'Zombie Island Murders' video. In the end, regardless of WHY they became cat creatures, they were still evil because they didn't need to live forever. They could have stopped killing people and died of old age, but they got greedy.
18:18-18:27 no worries. The context is what matters, people keep forgetting that. Maybe I should make a wish to give people better brain cells to actually function as human beings. Make of that what you will..
Assuming of course you continue to publish these videos (Love your content btw) I would love to hear your thoughts on why you see A pup named Scooby Doo as being as bad as it was, great video as always
Several reasons. Thank you for the nice words! Sorry that I'm about to answer with less-than-nice ones when it comes to my feelings on 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'. For starters, I've never liked "child" versions of established characters. They're usually a studio's cynical answer to trying to reinvigorate a franchise and they seldom work (which is why I always hated Scrappy, even as a kid in the 1970s). I also didn't like the voices. Sure they brought back Messick and Kasem, but I didn't think much of the other actors. It was also jarring to hear adult Shaggy's voice coming out of the kid, despite the other recast roles featuring younger actors (RIP Fred's voice actor). Finally, the animation was just atrocious, mainly due to Glen Kennedy, one of the worst animators who ever lived. 'Tiny Toon Adventures' was known for being hit and miss when it came to quality due to the work being doled out to several different studios. If you pick out the ugliest episodes in that series, Glen Kennedy was likely responsible. To me, 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' was a perfect storm of bad. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JoeGoesOver Of course and thank you for responding. That's also extremely fair since the show even though I enjoyed it, always felt like a "Love it or hate it" kinda deal which makes sense. Also I've been meaning to type this as well but do you have any plans of showing the ranking of the series with all seasons of a show going forward? For example after reviewing every episode of the Scooby Doo Show I'd absolutely love to see how the villains from season one compare to the villains of season two by having them all meshed together, completely understand if not of course but I think it'd be it neat to look back on once a show is completed
I wouldn't rule it out, but right now my focus is on continuing forward rather than revisiting episodes I've already covered (with the exception of my next villain ranking, which covers a Scooby film I've discussed before). You're not alone in liking 'Pup', though. Despite my negative feelings, it appears to be an extremely popular series in the fandom, based on how much love I see it receives on Reddit!
I remember when the film was run on Cartoon Network, and as a long time fan, I couldn't wait to see how it was go! My expectations were surpassed! I thought it was fitting for the gang to step it up and deal with actual supernatural beings! It's one reason why SDMI also resonated with me (and others). Not to mention more maturity for the gang as well. My main complaint though was Velma resigning herself to a bookshop owner (I like to think she would more likely work for Quest Industries) and Shaggy and Scooby working as customs agents. These two would be living on the fringe of society - Shaggy always reminded me of the proverbial free spirit, not working in a conventional job. If anything it would have been more in character for him to have been the guy who makes a living as a competitive eater (think Joey Chestnut). It would give him a good outlet for his cast iron stomach. I used to think if they went ahead with another series, it would have belonged in this universe and we would get the mature series die hard fans hoped for. The gang would be working their professional lives, but still have them tied to supernatural events and watching their relationships mature as well. Re: Lena's and Simone's lives: They lived on the island with other colonists. Obviously they were French (not uncommon as N.O. and New France was full of them) and had a unique religion centered upon a cat god. They sought religious freedom (as French were largely Catholic) and the island gave their group the isolation and freedom to practice. The invasion by Moonscar ruined their peaceful plans. After killing the pirates, they could have chosen to let the curse end by turning to dust at the next harvest moon but choose to continue living and wrecking havoc on those who came to the island over the next 2 centuries. Perhaps the immortality curse triggered something and made them want to keep living, as opposed to being willing to end things? RE: the body count : After draining the souls of their victims, the girls probably thought they could just dump the bodies in the swamp, assuming the gators would do the rest. They may not have known that the gators didn't get rid of the bodies, or that the moon's light would bring the victim's back to life. Of course one would wonder how they never noticed zombies wandering around before but perhaps that's because they had live potential victims to warn this time. Despite being cat creatures, these were still women so they would still need men periodically to help with various jobs around the plantation when all the other residents were killed or fled. Maintaining a large property would take a lot so they would have needed people to repair the house, take care of landscaping, etc. It's also plausible they opened the island briefly for tourist stays or as a hideout for pirates and other outlaws (more victims who wouldn't be missed). Of course by the 90s, it would be harder to make people disappear and not have attention drawn to it. If the gang hadn't come along, their operation would have failed eventually. As you pointed out, if the cop had been another victim, the police might have been all over the island looking for answers and the two would have been suspects.
The longer you think about the Moonscar Island scenario, the more things don't make sense. But as true of all good movies, you only think about these things long, long after you watch it because at the time, you're absorbed by the excellent story, acting and production! The ONLY career that would pay for Shaggy and Scooby's gluttony would be food competitions or perhaps restaurant critics. Any newspaper that'd hire them, though, would be bankrupt. Well, bankrupt thirty years earlier than expected, at any rate. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
Sorry, Joe, but, to me, your point about the clothing of the zombies doesn't hold water. We see Moonscar's naked skeleton grow both flesh and clothing in the pit with Scooby and Shaggy.
Fair point, but we only see Moonscar's body and clothing reconstitute. All the other zombies burst out of the ground or water fully formed. We never get a scene of them reforming their flesh or clothing. So it's conceivable they were buried whole after being drained. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
Unfortunately with the topic you cover you must walk a fine line to avoid content warnings/copyright issues...you've done a great job again. I was pleased to see a review of a well done movie for a change, although I was disappointed that Casey Kasem declined to take part in these movies. I enjoyed that they made a more grown up version that spoke to use who grew up with the original series. I am looking forward to The Witch's Ghost - my absolute favourite of this phase.
Asking me to choose between 'Zombie Island' and 'Witch's Ghost' as my favorite is like asking me to choose which of my kids is my favorite. It's my son. Definitely my son. I love my daughter, too, but since she never watches my stuff or reads the comments, I can safely say this here. I do plan on hitting 'Witch's Ghost' in the future, but I'm not sure when. I will probably do a few videos on 'The Scooby-Doo Show' before taking a break to give Ben Ravencroft another visit. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing! Oh, and if you do happen to read this, you know Daddy's just kidding, sweetie. Probably.
@@JoeGoesOver If I were to view Zombie Island and Witch’s Ghost as my own children, Zombie Island would be the Son and Witch’s Ghost would be the Daughter. Both have a great tale to tell involving the usual Scooby formula, but they have their unique takes on how they tell it. To me, I treat the first two as equals. BTW, I don’t think people of modern times ever heard of a werecat before… maybe in that Michael Jackson film with the Zombies.
Yeah in that version of Wizard of Oz but if you read the books and I'm talking about there's a whole series of them it's a lot darker in the Land of Oz.
It's been a long, LONG time since I read the original 'Wizard of Oz' novel, but I still remember being horrified as a child by how violent and gory it was. Seems the Tin Woodsman used that axe for more than trees.
@@JoeGoesOver You get to see some of that in a silent film version of the OZ tale. Oliver Hardy (yes THAT Oliver Hardy) played the Tin Man in that one. When I saw him use the ax, it startled me!
Oh, I know that wasn't the first one. I just used a quick clip that I had handy as an illustration of the live action films. In hindsight, that was a confusing mistake on my part. I'd say it won't happen again, but who am I kidding? There's no way that I won't make confusing or lazy mistakes in the future!
@@JoeGoesOver I was just teasing you; I did say Monsters Unleashed is the much better live-action film, as the first live-action film is just a repeat of Zombie Island, except Scrappy is the villain… as stated, I can probably understand why the execs wanted to get rid of him, as Scrappy almost got Fred Jones arrested for a crime he didn’t commit, while they’re attending a birthday reunion no less: th-cam.com/video/BI-nuUK1aKg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4LhRXnw5r0fvi8mV
Hey Joe, don't worry about the scooby doo show. We enjoy your scooby videos because of the way you make them, not which show it's about, so to me this video is awesome 👍🏼.
I'm also sorry that you had to cut out the last segment of the video after the doo ranking. I've come to really enjoy that segment and it's sad to see it go here
Thank you very much for saying so! I'm hoping there are enough 'Zombie Island' fans that they'd forgive me for slightly delaying 'The Scooby-Doo Show'. Thanks for watching and supporting me!
Yeah, in the end I just could not get them to work for TH-cam's content matching system. I may try to find a way to upload them separately and either find a different hosting site and if nothing else, let my Patreon members have the option of seeing it uncut.
I own the original design drawing for the cover art of the Witch's Ghost! And actually, fun fact. The guy I bought it from directed these 4 movies and said that the original plan was for Velma to be redesigned as a goth, but they changed their minds at the last minute!
Oh my god! That's incredible! I'm so jealous! About the closest I have to anything like that is a plastic chair mat I was given by the guy who voiced "He-Man". It's in pieces now, but I still have it in my attic because I can't bring myself to toss it. If Scooby hadn't been around the last fifty years and they tried creating the show today, there's a better than even chance Velma would have been a goth. Thanks for watching and commenting!
One thing that confounds me. If the police would have been investing the potential disappearance of Beau, then why didn’t the rest, or at least a large contingent of the army investigate the disappearance of Colonel Pettigrew and and the rest of the 8th Louisiana Regiment? How did Simone and Lena cover that up?
My best guess is the Confederate Army assumed the Union Army did it and either didn't bother investigating any further (they were in the middle of losing a war, so they had more important things to deal with), or they did investigate, found nothing and decided to cover it up out of embarrassment over losing an entire regiment. Never underestimate the power of the confusion of war or the importance the upper echelons of any power structure place on covering their own butts. Thanks for watching and commenting!
That's not a bad idea, but you really don't see enough of them to really know much about them, other than their suits. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
@JoeGoesOver well the moat monster was counterfeiting The ghost was scamming people I think The bat monster was looting Graves I think the crab monster was getting revenge?
I know you would think that cutting up the body to examine it may put the villains under suspicion, but I don’t think so after all, if there’s no sign of stab marks, poisoning, or any signs of a struggle plus them scratching the bodies may make it look like they were just attacked by a wild animal.
Pathologists can be miracle workers, though, and a dot on an eyeball can lead them to discovering what was originally thought of as a heart attack was actually strangulation. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
One of the biggest complaints about 'Be Cool, Scooby-Doo' was the animation. That's the biggest complaint I have with 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'. I hate that "quality" of animation like it cheated on me and left me after after two weeks of marriage. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Well this was unexpected because I thought you were going for the Scooby Doo show villains or the Scooby Doo crossover that should have happen as I forgot to mention Jimmy Carter as the fan theory about Scooby and the gang being Draft Dodgers as Jimmy Carter giving the Dodgers patrons after the Vietnam War and also on the Spider-Man part have you seen the Me and the Boys meme well that’s what I meant about the sinister six as they would be based on 60’s Spider-Man cartoon as the episode was called “To catch a Spider” I hope you do the Live Action Scooby Doo movie villains
I decided to reward myself with a visit to 'Zombie Island' after finishing 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies', as it's my favorite Scooby-Doo film. My next upload will definitely be the first episodes of 'The Scooby-Doo Show'. I'm already writing the script and have most of the supporting art ready to go. I don't know when, but I expect to hit the James Gunn-penned films at some point. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Harem anime used to be near the bottom when it comes to "trash", but enough people are getting sick of isekai that the two are probably on the same rung anymore. Not that I care. I like 'em both. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I think the main inspiration for the supernatural elements of this movie was Egyptian magic. Cat god, they were known to use wax dolls for sympathetic magic and what not. The zombies were just a side effect of the curse trapping their souls into this plane, that is vague enough to not connect directly to any culture (they wouldn't mummify their attackers or victims so, plain zombies instead of mummies it was)
There was definitely some Egyptian influence in the episode with the cat worship, but overall I'd say it was more Haitian and African with the zombies and voodoo dolls. Thanks for watching and commenting!
This is brilliant, this movie is just amazing, just watched it again last Sunday so perfect watching this video now the twist with them being villains and cat creatures and the zombies being the good guys shocked me when I first saw this film
I’ll be honest, the main reason I questioned if investigators would find anything out of the ordinary is due to harry potter and the killing curse when investigators examine the victims and then find anything out of the ordinary they just dismissed it I know it was like in the 40s or 50s I had investigators have to use logic to figure out what happened to a victim if there’s no scientific explanation I doubt they’re going to use anything magical as an explanation plus some of the relatively recent bodies like 30 years or so. I doubt investigative would think the two villains were involved due to the logic of how old they look
I suppose it depends on the local police. Are they the kind who think they know who's guilty and try to find evidence, or the kind who KNOW who's guilty and they make up their own evidence?
The regular Scooby-Doo was targeted for young and audience, but no live action version of Scooby-Doo was meant to be targeted as for teenagers or like child up but teenagers cause how much how much lively it is and how much was the little kids and give them little nightmares they always get nightmares in their headscary Scooby Doo
I was expecting and hoping an highter score for this villains (not necessarly 5 because I know they couldn't have gotten a perfect outfit score and also them not creating dolls of Shaggy and Scooby was an objective mistake) but yoyr reasoning make sense. I was at least hoping for a 5 in design, never noticed the similirities with Dracula. This movie is one of the main reasons why I feel iffy on the outfit score being so necessary in ranking the villains. While it works most of the times, and it's true that an human villain not wearing an outfit should be rightfully penalized if he is trying to be a Scooby Doo villain (with maybe a few exeptions), Simone and Lena where intentional subversions of the Scooby Doo formula and that's one of the most well recived aspect of both the movie and them as villains, so it feel weird to penalize them for it. They are as iconic as the costumed bad guys ai would say. You are right in not considering the sequel. It blatantly retconned and contraddicted many point of the movie, either intentionally or not. I had an idea for a whilr that Velma's levitation could have been caused not by the ghosts, but by Lena testing a Voodoo doll she already made. I have not watched the movie since tough, so I am not 100% sure it holds up. I vaguely remember that shortly before Velma lost one object on her possession wich the bad guys where using to link the dolls to the victims, it's possible they made the shape before since they purposly invited them. So it's possible the ghost could't interact with the living's world more then by carving on the walls. But even then yes, i always wonderd why they wheren't more explicity with their warning. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to spell everything in front of the villains, but they could have done it in their rooms. Maybe they feared that no one would trust a bunch of ghosts over normal people and scare tattics where more effective, but they could have leasr tried... Or maybe they did tried with the former victims and no one ever belived them. This would explain many things. I also always wondered why the zombies never attacked them, i love your explainayion iy makes so much sense. Cut some slacks to Fred for hitting those zombies, he tought they where trying to kill him! As for the fisherman, i wonder why Simone and Lena didn't seem intended on killing him as well. Another thing that always bugs me: who sent a sole police officer to investigate a case of mass disappearences wich could have very well be murders alone and apparently unarmed (at least, he never pulled out a gun). Even if the villains wheren't cat creatures, he could have been in severe danger if they ever got suspicious. I am curious, from what kind of voodoo tradition voodoo dolls are from? I do not know much about this stuff. I didn't fully understand if you intend on doing the other three movies next or alternate them with the Scooby Doo Show. Either way i look foward to it, I like both products so it's a win win situation for me. Witch's ghost it's interested because it arguably has three unaffiliated bad guys or groups of them: the townspeople, Ben Ravencroft and Sarah Ravencroft. I wonder if you would include the mummies/zombies/whatever they where at the beginning of the episode in Ben's outfit score. While he didn't personally wore any disguise, those masked bad guy where still working for him and part of his scheme. Alien Invaders has the more tradictional bad guys out of the four, while with Cyber Chase the Phantom Virus even if not a disguise could be in a situation similar to Charlie for what I personally think, but ut would be your decision to include it or no. The human bad guy of that movie could be one of the dumber since Carl. Why did he put his sport obsession into the virus? And why he runned away when the gang accused him despite the evidence being circumstantial and he could have easly tried to claim that there where attempts at framung him (wich onestly would have been more belivable)? I would be surprised if he gets more then 1 for operation (I also managed to watch the part post rating, as you can tell by a few comments being about it, shame you had to cut it)
The Scooby-Doo formula has always been, at it's heart, "a bad guy wearing a mask". Occasionally, some media will ignore this, but overall, this is how the franchise works. Setting out, this was how I decided to base my ranking. I didn't think it would be fair to just do what others have done by just assigning a ranking and be done with it. By breaking the score into design, outfit and operation, I felt it would do a better job at determining an overall score. Unfortunately, this gives a distinct disadvantage for those few Scooby villains who don't actually wear a disguise. Without this ranking method, Simone and Lena would have undoubtedly been awarded a 5 simply because I love them so much. That's hardly fair, though. I did consider that perhaps Velma could have been levitated via Simone or Lena to "test" their dolls, and it's possible that was the producers' intention, but ultimately decided it was unlikely due to a) Velma being the only one levitated like that, despite Fred, Daphne and Beau all having dolls, b) Simone and Lena had to reason to levitate Velma at that stage, c) they were already in the throes of supernatural shenanigans with the ghostly writing on the wall and d) it didn't appear as though Simone or Lena had an opportunity by that stage to make the dolls or be using them at that moment. It's not unusual for undercover police officers to enter a dangerous situation by themselves. Sometimes, that's the only way to get the information they need. It's their job, after all. I will probably do a few videos focusing on 'The Scooby-Doo Show' then maybe toss in 'Witch's Ghost' and/or the others. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JoeGoesOver I am not saying that you shouldn't have broken the ranking the way you did, and usually outfit is a good category, and in retrospective i think it's fair to penalize those shows and movies that break the formula for no good reason often eliminating what should be the core aspect of the franchise, the mystery solving. The jeanie episode, the entirety of the series with just Shaggy Scooby e Scrappy, two out of three of the red shirt shaggy movies ecc. However i feel zombie island is a special case. It broke the formula with a specific purpouse, while at the same time keeping the heart of the series intact (there is still a mystery to solve) and is for such reason that it ended up being so well recived. In a ranking that value originality so much, penalizing them for doing something new wich is the entire reason while they are considered so beloved and memorable, feel counter intuitive. Is giving them an handicap for what almost everyone consider the best aspect of them. I am not saying they should have got a perfect score. I am perfectly ok with penalizing them for the lack of originality in the scheme (personaly I wouldn't have done that since their scheme is very original for Scooby doo and I think it had enough to separate it from Dracula as well to me, but at least I see your point and it's a fair reasoning) and expecially for their mistakes in operation wich are the real problems with them as villains. I am not saying you should only went with personal tastes, I am fhe first to fear thta maybe Space Kook had got a bit too much (mostly because the patriotic stuff seems to much of theory to take it into consideration that much and for ignoring him trapping himself, altough that ultimatly more excusable because he was in a panic). And I also not saying outfit should be eliminated as a categpry altougheter i just feel that it should be made more flexible to accomodate for those villains that manage to not use a disguise and still keep the spirit of the franchise, solving mysteties related to the supernatural. Maybe you could have rated their looks as wherecats, even if it's not strictly a disguise being the close equifor how much you do not like it, rating the humans form as disguises is a good idea since they ended up having fhe same purpouse that the monster disguises usually have, hiding their true nature and keeping the mystery, with the scene in wich they trasform feeling like a bit of a reverse unmasking. I still love this rating, I wanf this to be clear, i rewatch your videos constantly and i leave huge comments every times, that's exactly why I want to give suggestions to improve them to fix what's to me a small flaw (altough we had passed the istance in wich I think it would have been really unfair, for the rest the only other problem that I still have are those episodes of What's New and Mystery Inc that have things like robots and other stuffs in place of disguise, but sincd you where flexible with Charlie maybe you would be with those as well, but I really feel that Simone and Lena really got thd short end of the stick in an unfair way. For the cop, I get going alone, but they do not allow them to at least carry a weapon irl, maybe hidden to not blow up the cover? Yeah I don't think there is much support for the levitation theory, altough it could have been an accident, with Lena lifting the Voodoo doll in a way she shouldn't have (altough admitedly, that would happen regardless while tryinh to move them so it would make more sense to apply the cloth only when they are in their hidden cove)
Wasn't expecting Zombie Island to be the next Scooby review, but it's definitly a nice break from Scooby-Doo and the not-so-great animation. A couple of tidbits, first Velma researched the island and found out that there was lots of disappearances over the years. So, it may have had some minor investigations over the years, but noone came back. We wouldn't be able to prove that no one came back if investigators never came back. But it probably does mean that no one w/ major connections went disappearing there. Secondly, having Jacque as their ferryman is actually great strategy. If someone was to actually arrive on the island, then get scared enough by the zombies and/or ghosts and wanted to leave. All Jacque had to do was pretend the ferry boat was stalled or needed some engine repairs and couldn't be used right now. It's not like croc hunter dude and Mojo were going to give any tourists a ride back to the main land. Thirdly, would they have really cared whether or not Bo (Beaux?) was an police investigator? Say he goes missing after doing a missing persons investigation. Police Chief and judges send more police out to the island to investigate. That's just more victims for them. We don't get to see the full extent of their powers, but I fee like that between their huge success rate, and probably large egos, they would be up to the challenge of fighting against a SWAT team if they arrived on shore. They'll probably all find out if the cat creatures are bulletproof when that happens. Also, I finished watching volume 2 of RWBY during breaks at work today, and I had to pick one of the several scooby-doo movies on my surface to watch next. And then I saw Zombie Island, and I thought that would be a perfect time to start it again.
It's an interesting thought experiment when it comes to just how powerful Simone and Lena (and to a lesser extent, Jacques) are when it comes to fighting governmental authorities. While it's difficult to say with certainty just how powerful magical beings are who are under a curse by a literal god, on the other hand there are just two/three of them and there has to be limit to what they can defend against. Once authorities accepted they were dealing with an actual supernatural threat in the form of two/three cat creatures, how would they react? If they lose contact with a trained SWAT team, what would be the next step? Likely a call to the Louisiana governor to request deployment of that state's National Guard troops. Eventually the government would employ enough firepower than Simone and Lena would not be able to cope. It's like the old nerd argument about the resurrection ability of werewolves. If they can always regenerate injured flesh, at what point would this not be practical? What if instead of just shooting the monster with a silver bullet and leaving the body alone, you instead put the remains in a shredder or other industrial machine. You render the flesh down to a slurry, then burn it in a furnace. You then take the ashes and spread them all over the planet, putting thousands of miles between each dump. Would that be enough to finally stop the werewolf from coming back, or would it eventually reconstitute, even if it takes hundreds or thousands of years for each individual cell to find its way back to the whole? Thanks for watching and commenting!
This actually reminds me@@JoeGoesOver Deadliest Warrior did their finale on vampires vs zombies. (The Twilight kind of vampires w/ the glimmering bodies and lots of magic.) But apparently, according to their fully scientific analysis on vampires and zombies, each vampire can defeat ~83 zombies before getting eaten. Don't know how well that relates to cat creatures, but it does seem like that Simone, Lena, and Jacque could handle a dozen zombies each at least, considering they've survived so long already. But yeah, thanks for the awesome vids!
@@JoeGoesOver what you said about grinding the werewolf body to mush, reminds me of that ending to Renfield, which is a good movie, all things considered.
I enjoyed both of the James Gunn-written live action films, but I boycotted 'Scoob' over how the voice actors were treated by the studio. It's bad enough they were replaced by non-voice actors, but the studio didn't even bother giving them a head's up over being recast. Lillard and the rest found out from a post on social media!
Funny enough this movie was my introduction to Scooby Doo. I think I was maybe 4-5 at the time when my older sister put it on when it aired on Cartoon Network (rip). And it freaked me out and I didn’t wanna watch Scooby doo stuff for awhile. Though within the next year or two between retiring of older Scooby doo shows and I was given a couple VHS tapes of where are you episodes my fear of this film went away.
Your experience mirrors mine with the Space Kook episode. It's been way too long to be certain, but I suspect it was the first episode of Scooby-Doo I ever saw and for that reason, four-year-old me would run screaming from the room whenever the opening credits to 'Where Are You?' would appear on our old TV screen. It took a few years for my love of Scooby to get past that! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JoeGoesOver hey no problem I love your stuff. Though at least you were introduced to Scooby Doo proper and Zombie Island is very different from typical Scooby Doo affair.
Actually I live right down the street from the largest Confederate Cemetery North of the Mason-Dixon line. Camp Chase Confederate Cemetery in Columbus Ohio.
I Don’t care what you think, A Pup Named Scooby-Doo is nowhere near the worst of this franchise especially when something like Velma exists. At least APNSD was a more sincere self parody while Velma is just cynical and spiteful.
As little as I like the show, I recognize that 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' has a large audience in the Scooby fandom. I wanted to like 'Velma', because reimaginings of beloved franchises gave us 'Mystery Incorporated', but I couldn't get past the third episode. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JoeGoesOver at least we're on the same page with that last one. Mystery Incorporated and Be Cool Scooby-Doo are reimaginings that take some risks and succeed whereas Velma fails miserably.
@@JoeGoesOver funny enough, I dropped out of checking each new episode our after episode 4 and instead decided to rewatch Where Are You and the other shows of the franchise and instantly got reminded of why I love this franchise and what most of them have that Velma doesn't, likeability and charm.
Pup Named Scooby Doo may be a low point, but, it has a very odd nostalgia, for me. I've learned never to go back and rewatch it, but, when I avoid that, my memories are fond. The ghosts and monsters are BY FAR the overall stupidest concepts.
I recognize 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" is the favorite for a lot of people, but it never worked for me, mainly due to how poorly it was animated. Glen Kennedy was one of the forces behind the animation and that guy did garbage work. If you happened to watch 'Tiny Toon Adventures' and noticed how well some episodes were animated and others looked cheap and sloppy, those bad ones were likely handled by Kennedy's team. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yeah, I knew some would rather I'd have started 'The Scooby-Doo Show' first, but as I said, this was a reward for me getting through 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies'. My next upload will be 'The Scooby-Doo Show'. I promise you. The script is already started and I've already got much of the art prepared. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JoeGoesOver Hey I'm just happy you're covering it at all, it's got some of my favorite episodes. Besides, you deserve to treat yourself after some of the episodes from the last series. Thx for the reply! ^_^
It could be kinder to creators. What frustrates me and everyone else doing content is we're usually OBVIOUSLY covered by "Fair Use", but as TH-cam doesn't want to hire people to manually check videos, they automatically rule against the creator no matter what. Even their "Dispute" option is bot-run, meaning whenever someone wants to fight a copyright claim, they get automatically denied almost every time. I've seen channels with 1.5 MILLION subscribers treated like that, so I know there's no chance for any appeal on what I do, so when I get a content match, I pretty much have to go back to the drawing board and hope for the best. Thanks for the sympathy! And for watching and subscribing!
I know my dislike of 'A Pup Names Scooby-Doo' is at odds with a lot of the Scooby fandom, but I just can't get past the bad animation. There should be a restraining order that keeps Glen Kennedy 100 yards away from pencils. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I am the kind of person who think bad animation can be escused if there is good writing, characters commedy ecc. I always think the storytelling is more important then the visuals wich are still important mind you. I can't really speak for pup specifically since I have only saw something like two or three episodes, i am currently going trought the whole franchise so I would eventually got there and I could give a better opinion. I am currently on the second episode of the third season of tje Scooby Doo show. Scrappy is danguerously approaching...
I know the animation wasn't everyone's cup and tea but it was still leagues over Be Cool Scooby Doo. That show look like it belonged in a Seth McFarland cartoon.
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The root Shaggy pulls on that ends up revealing Moonscar's bones is no more than two feet underground. That sounds like it should be enough, but it's still very shallow and a determined scavenger would have little trouble digging up a meal. Thanks for watching and commenting
I was camping this weekend and hadn’t seen zombie island yet so that’s why there’s a delay Nevertheless Space Kook 5.0 Green Ghosts 4.3 Captain Cutler 4.3 Ghost Clown 4.2 Snow Ghost 4.0 Ghost of the Red Baron 4.0 Spirit of Fireball McPhan 4.0 Wax Phantom 3.8 Simone and Lena 3.7 Green Globs 3.7 Shark Men 3.3 Mr. Hyde etc. 3.3 Headless Spector 3.2 Witch and Zombie 3.2 Scarecrow 3.2 Caveman 3.0 Werewolf 3.0 Paul Revere, Minuteman, and Redcoat Ghost 3.0 Charlie the Robot 3.0 Captain Moody’s Ghosts 2.8 Ghost of Mr. Hyde 2.8 Haunted Horseman and Moat Monster 2.8 Gunslinger and Native American Chief 2.7 Viking and Davy Crockett 2.7 Hooded Ghosts 2.7 Ghost of Redbeard 2.5 Witch Doctor 2.5 Miner 49er 2.5 Abdullah and Jadal 2.5 Puppet Master 2.5 Mummy of Ankha 2.3 Phantom 2.3 Ghostly Strongman 2.3 Ghost of Elias Kingston 2.3 Black Knight 2.2 Big Bob Oakley’s monsters 2.2 Ghost of redbeard II 2.2 Gargoyle/phantoms 2.0 Ghost of Bigfoot 2.0 Skeleton man 1.8 Ghost of Captain Scavenger and I______ Joe 1.8 Zen Tuo 1.8 Chumley’s monsters 1.8 Windmakers 1.7 Joker Penguin and hooded man 1.7 Dryad and Troll 1.5 Fake housekeepers 1.5 Creeper 1.5 Indian witch doctor 1.3 Phony phantom 1.0 And of corse f*cking Carl the stuntman Ape man 1.0
So the curse is kind of like the cat friendly version of the creatures from Sleepwalkers. The cat killing, feeding on beautiful girls and gross relationship would have been too much for kids.
If only the Scooby Renaissance came in the 1980s. With "children's" films like 'Return to Oz', who knows how dark 'Zombie Island' could have become with that mindset? Thanks for watching and commenting!
I won't have given them that high a score. They didn't want the immortality they just wanted to get rid of the pirate. They did this to keep something that they did not ask for pointless But the movie is great
It's easy to say they should have stopped at killing the pirates, but who knows how we'd all react when presented with the real possibility of actual immortality. It's like how lottery winners often go crazy with their money and end up bankrupt. Most of us read stories like that and swear that WE'D never be that dumb, but until you're sitting on $200 million after a lifetime of poverty, who can say? Thanks for watching and commenting!
Even if the werecats did proceed to successfully kill the gang and Bo and a investigation for Bo take place and swat or polices go to the island and investigate Bo disappearence that's more souls for the werecats to drain like when they were in hiding and drained soldiers, spice traders etc and from the zombies ressurecting their bodies were buried deep in the ground and bayou so no alligators would have their bodies to feast.
At some point, though, if the government loses enough agents on the mysterious island, they will go in with their big guns. If nothing else, the U.S. Navy could bombard Moonscar Island from a mile away and completely eradicate whatever is there killing people. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JoeGoesOver Well I don't think such drastic measures like that would happen lol and like you said in your video Simone and Lena are smart and won't leave evidence behind of their victims and nobody would suspect Simone and Lena of being up to no good as they come off nice and very welcoming someone did a video about Simone and Lena and how they even have soldiers as their victims but anyway great content!
Sometimes you have to wonder just what law enforcement is doing in the Scooby-Dooniverse. It's like how almost literally every criminal on Perry Mason was innocent. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Combine real zombies with some things leftover from *Swat Kats* plus one character that resembles a precursor to *He-Man* 2002 (and voiced by him) and that's it.
I know it's the favorite for a lot of people, but the bad animation was always a deal breaker for me. My least favorite episodes of 'Tiny Toon Adventures' were the ones animated by Kennedy Cartoons and they did 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'. There was just something about the way they drew cartoon characters that just makes my eyeballs squeeze into a quantum singularity of cringe.
TH-cam kept demonetizing it over and over again hours after it passed the copyright match. This has happened before, but I've never been hit with a content match HOURS after the upload before. Very frustrating. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
While I agree that the period after the Scooby Doo Show was one of/the lowest point in Scooby Doo history and A pup named Scooby Doo being one of those low points due to the "let's make everyone kids "trope (even if the series was decent and with a catchy intro) ,I disagree about the red shirt Shaggy movies being one of the low points .The movies had some controversial things like the red shirt or the fact that those 3 movies were focused on Shaggy ,Scooby and Scrappy (which is actually tolerable in the movies)while the rest of the gang weren't even mentioned ,but it's pretty clear that those movies left a deep mark in the fandom ,especially Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School.
I haven't ruled out revisiting the Red Shirt Shaggy films in my analyses, so it's always possible my opinion may have changed from when I was a kid, but overall I was never fond of that period in the Scooby-Dooniverse. Thanks for watching and commenting!
But…the monsters were real before Zombie Island. 13 Ghosts in particular is an entire series of real mobsters. But…I’m sure everyone reading these comments knows that.
Honestly I do feel bad for simone and Leena they did lose alot of what they love and like most people turned to their God for help it just came down to this their way of life was interrupted by a new form ( moonscar pirates ) of life I don't Condone what they did but I mean they did ask for it it's how they got revenge I don't think they had a certain way it could of played out maybe they didn't expect to turn to cat creatures but it's what their God gave them
Admittedly, like many villains born from trauma, they are sympathetic. However, the line between sympathy and revulsion must eventually be drawn, specifically when the villain crosses the point of no return. Potentially murdering thousands of people for a selfish need for immortality clearly meets that standard in my opinion. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I theorize the Curse Cat folk weren't completely obliterated and more of having the immortality and souls forcibly taken to the Cat God's Domain, wherever that place is in our mythology?! The Cat God has 3 reclaimed slaves and was tired of the sacrifices the cult used so it presumably planned his own cult's demise for whatever reason we simply CANNOT comprehend. Have fun sleeping with another WH40k horror idea!
Frankly, your take would have been a much better way to revisit 'Zombie Island' than what we got a couple of years ago. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I enjoyed Scooby Doo on Zombie Island since I was little, and Scooby Doo is one of my favorite characters, looking back on it now, I looked it up, it seems to involve Paganism which is holding religious beliefs other than those of the main or recognized religions, that nature is sacred and that natural cycles of birth, growth, and death observed in the world around in the world around us carry spiritual meanings, or those who still believe and worship false gods, and cats have a part in it, and there's no doubt about it that Simone and Lena and their follow settlers may be Pagans, it could be possible that they may have move from somewhere in Europe to Moonscar Island in Louisiana to escape persecution as Paganism has always been looked down upon by Christian culture and society, and Pagan persecution goes back to the late Roman Empire when Christianity become it's main religion, and Christian leaders made it their goal to do away with Paganism, the movie did foreshadowed that Simone, Lena, and Jacque were the true villains and the twist caught me off guard even to this day and was done well, the foreshadowing and twist was also done well with Ben Ravencroft from The Witch's Ghost, and Bill from Cyberchase, I didn't think Scrappy Doo was bad, cocky, and overconfident true, but he still had some fans, and if it weren't for him the Scooby series would have been dead, I do get negative reception he got, and where the haters are coming from, but they could have done more and better with him, there are pros and cons to a character, I didn't like that they made him the main villain of the first live action Scooby Doo movie, they should have kept the idea of Old Man Smithers aka the Luna Ghost as the villain wanting revenge, I enjoyed A Pup named Scooby Doo, it did brought the series back to it's roots, and explored the gang's younger years, I think that Young Fred blaming Red Herring when it wasn't him was supposed to be a gag even though he did took his aunt's motorcycle one time and for a good reason too, as he got her a side car to help her with her groceries showing that he's not a completed bad person who just loves his aunt, despite being a bully to Fred and the gang.
I believe I touched on the aspects of their paganism in my other 'Zombie Island' video (the one where I added up all the murders committed by Simone and Lena over the years). A good argument could be made that Scrappy did save the series, but personally, as one who grew up at the time and was the target audience, I never liked him. Even as a kid. So for me, it's not like how people my age pretend they hated Ewoks back in 1983 when pretty much all of us at the time still bought Wicket action figures. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I remember a bit in Zombie Island, I think during the "Terror Time" chase, where Scooby falls into quicksand and a zombie hands Shaggy a length of vine. At first, it just looks like one of those gags they like to use during chases, but it was actually foreshadowing that the zombies weren't the true villains of the piece.
I agree. It was definitely subtle foreshadowing of the zombies' possible good intentions.
However, I can't help but notice how after Simone, Lena and Jacques miss the midnight deadline and recreate the end of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark', the zombies are seen lurching menacingly toward the Gang before they, too, evaporate.
It almost looked like they were ready to hurt the Gang themselves.
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Maybe more then actually caring for the gang, the zombies or at least some of them actually wanted to use the gang to defeat the cat creatures. It has been noted that at first Moonscar seems to want to kill Shaggy and Scooby when resurrected. After all if they died, the villains would be left without food. This tough doesn't explain while that one zombie saved Shaggy and Scooby so maybe at least that one was actually benevolent. Or he tough that if the gang where al tougheter they would have more opportunity to save themself from the cats.
@@JoeGoesOver i somewhat wonder if being undead has some adverse effects on one's personality, most of them do seem rather feral after all.
Since Zombie Island eventually became a plantation and this is antebellum America I'm sure many of their victims would have been slaves.
More than likely.
As Moonscar Island hosted Confederate troops, I can't help but think there some enslaved people there as well.
@JoeGoesOver yeah you saw something similar in the movie Interview with a Vampire.
Well, I do know one thing there was no need for a Return to Zombie Island.
Yeah, it'd have been one thing if 'Return to Zombie Island' had been produced by the same team that wrote the original, but what we got was a cynical cash grab.
They should have made a completely original film instead of trying to rehash fan nostalgia.
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Or spit on it in this case.@@JoeGoesOver
It was Petty Bad!
That was So Bad.
Welp looks like it's Terror time again.
I think there’s zombies on the prowl
Oh, this song has been a bit on repeat in my brain playlist for over a week now.
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@@JoeGoesOver I'd love to see your video on the red shirt shaggy era
And we might just die of fright. It is a terrifying time, after all..😂
This was fantastic. It's great to see they got a good score even with the outfit score giving them a disadvantage. On a another note I personally think A Pup Named Scooby Doo wouldn't count as a low point. That show actually tries to be a decent kids show and some of the monsters and schemes are completely insane even if the franchise itself was on life support.
'A Pup Names Scooby-Doo' has a LOT of fans, despite my not being one of them.
To be fair, before re-watching 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies', I figured I'd dislike them much more than I did.
If and when I visit 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo', it's possible my view might change, but it's unlikely.
People complain about the art in 'Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!' but that was Studio Ghibli compared to what we got in the other series.
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the only episodes i remember were the one with the robot trying to frame velma for some reason
and the 1 time it actually was.... RED HERRING!
Fun Fact: Scooby Doo on Zombie Island was cannibalised from an unmade episode of Swat Kats The Radical Squadron called Succubus which also became The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest episode Eclipse.
I actually never watched Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island...I read it. I still have this Scooby-Doo book from back when I was a little girl that consists of four stories, three of which being based on Scooby-Doo movies: The Legend of the Vampire, Witch's Ghost, and Zombie Island. The Zombie Island story actually stayed true to the movie so props to that...even though it genuinely scared me as a child 😅
I grew up in the 1970s and home video wasn't a thing, so the closest I got at the time was a toy that featured little reels on 8mm film of maybe 15 seconds of footage from the show. The only one I remember having with clarity was the Snow Ghost chasing Velma and Scooby on the log.
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I also had that book to go with the movie. Loved the art in it
Simone and Lena's fatal flaw was underestimating Shaggy and Scooby. Sure, they aren't particularly smart, but they are fast and destructive. Those two ending the reign of terror of supernatural mass murderers will always be the pinnacle of the characters.
Underestimating the raw power of panicked cowardice has foiled more than one villain scheme, that's for certain!
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This was certainly a pleasant surprise! As much as I'm looking forward to The Scooby-Doo Show, this was a good (and well-deserved) break in-between long shows.
I fully agree with referring to these four movies as the "Scooby-Doo Renaissance" films for the reasons you stated. I've referred to them as such for many years, though that's due to me considering the mid-late '90s and early 2000s as a major renaissance period for animation in general, and these movies definitely played a large part.
It really was a good time for animation, wasn't it? I think it's because so many who grew up with 1970s and 1980s shows started making their own TV series and took their love of animation seriously.
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They started out as the victims and then they became the villains, quite interesting and they had no type of redemption arc.
That’s their own decision in going down that dark path. Not to mention, they were worshipping an idol that is condemned by religious people who worship God.
0:30 And in the book the film was based on, she really did travel far away to Oz. Auntie Em even wondered where she had been when she returned.
I read that once as a child and it horrified me. Let's just leave it at saying the kindly Tin Woodsman USED his axe.
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That's the problem with all the bad guys of Scooby-Doo, always underestimating the comic relief/scary cat characters
Can you really blame them, though?
If you're in the middle of a scheme and a talking dog and a beatnik show up and run away from literally themselves making scary faces, do you really think your plan is in that much danger?
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Here's a scene I would have added: the gang talk with Moonscar's spirit, stating with was because of him and his crew that innocent people were lured to the island. Moonscar, not denying he and his crew committed countless atrocities, many for mere amusement, replies that no soul, be they guilty or innocent, deserves the fate they ended up with.
That would have indeed added some pathos to what would have otherwise been an entirely irredeemable villain.
Pity we never got a sequel or they could have explored this idea.
Yup. We never got a sequel.
Never.
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There’s no way! I just watched Zombie Island last night!
*Twilight Zone music*
Scooby doo zombie island trvia from IMDB - This film marks the first time someone besides Casey Kasem voices Shaggy. Reason being, Kasem refused to provide the voice of Shaggy if he would not be vegetarian like himself (Shaggy eats crayfish in this movie). Instead, Shaggy is voiced by Billy West.
Lillard became the official voice of Shaggy Rogers after Casey Kasem retired from the role in 2009. He and Kasem collaborated for the first time on the series Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated (2010), wherein Lillard portrayed Shaggy and Kasem portrayed Shaggy's father, Colton.
After bringing the beloved character to life in live-action with 2002’s Scooby-Doo and its 2004 sequel Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed, actor Matthew Lillard has went on to firmly establish himself as the voice of Norville ‘Shaggy’ Rogers in the various Scooby-Doo animated outings since 2010.
The way I've always viewed the Curse is that anyone who is drained completely and killed by a cursed creature are, themselves, cursed to return as the undead on the night of the harvest. Some are able to manifest as spirits prior, but for most it is only when the moon is at its highest.
The other thing is, I don't think it matters what they did to the bodies. We see with Moonscar that they will manifest from almost nothing, including roughly recreating whatever they wore at the time of death. The two of them could have kept a mulcher around and ground their bones to make their bread and they'd still rise from the swamp as zombies the year after. That's the thing with a full on absolute supernatural curse from an ancient God- reality is what they decree and logic is only a suggestion.
The interesting thing to me is why would they allow such a thing to happen, specifically, the Cat God they worshiped. And I believe its an interesting look at karmic justice.
They made a deal with the cat god to get revenge for the deaths of their people. That should have been the end of it. The cat worshipers on the island before then were, presumably, peaceful. They didn't practice human sacrifice or the like. Yes that means that they would have been doomed to die relatively soon, but that's the price you pay for revenge- literally.
But they kept it going far beyond revenge. They kept adding more and more victims for reasons that went beyond their God, but for their own greed and survival. For the sake of self instead of worship and people. As far as we know their God never told them to keep doing that shit, and it would stand to reason, the zombies that grew in number year after year, coming after them and haunting them and trying to stop them, that is the logical curse on *them*. They could choose to let it end, that it was enough and they were content, but they never were- so the zombies kept growing and growing and eventually would have overrun them.
I may not have done a good enough job explaining it in my video, but one of my takes is that the reason the zombies didn't attack Simone or Lena is because they didn't appear until AFTER Shaggy and Scooby disturbed the remains of Morgan Moonscar.
Up to that point, the cat creatures' victims could only manifest as incorporeal spirits capable of little more than petty vandalism and other minor poltergeist activities.
As to what happens to the victims' bodies, if we go by the classic Dracula conventions, only those drained by Simone or Lena who LIVED would be able to remain as a typical undead. Which begs the question: how did they turn Jacques? Was he one of their victims they drained but didn't kill, so he recovered and then became a cat creature himself? Or did they have to pray with him at the altar just like they did two centuries earlier?
Of course, in the first scenario, that would make Shaggy and Scooby cat creatures themselves now, as they were briefly drained by Simone and Lena. Then again, it's also possible with the death and evaporation of the two women, whatever curse remained in the teen and dog was removed before they ever got a chance to change themselves.
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well as for the ghosts not outright saying what they should
maybe they can. Maybe talking to the living even with those two-word phrases is a monumental task
but he did say four words so "Simon Lina are murderers" may have been a better bet
Fair enough.
It took Patrick Swayze so much effort to learn how to push a penny, after all!
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I didn't expect to see these films covered but I'm certainly glad you're covering them!
I always planned on doing them, but figured I'd wait until they came up chronologically (meaning long after I finish 'The Scooby-Doo Show' and other releases).
After finally finishing 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies', I needed a break from the series and said to hell with it and covered my all-time favorite Scooby film.
I will likely do the other Renaissance films in between videos of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' villains, so look for 'Witch's Ghost' in the not too distant future (hopefully).
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@JoeGoesOver I'm really glad that you've always planned to do these! Yeah, needing a break is understandable that was a pretty hard series to get through, covering your favourite movie is the best one to do too! That'd be interesting to see you do it between Scooby Doo Show villain rankings
No problemo thank you for the incredible content as always!
This is a great start to some of the early Movies that reignited the franchise.
Also, take your time with the rest of the Movies since Thanksgiving coming up followed by the Holidays and New Years so be sure to take a well deserved break to spend some time with family.
I appreciate the sentiment! And trust me, I take plenty of breaks. After all, SOMEONE has to save Sandrock from that wicked outlaw Logan!
Unfortunately, most of my family and friends have moved away from my area, so the holiday season is mostly spent with just my wife and my son and his girlfriend.
This works out, though, because I hate driving like Johnny Depp hates baths.
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What an unexpected surprise! I wondered I'd you were going to be doing any of the films, and it seems I have been answered. Unfortunately, I didn't grow up with the 90's Scooby movies so I don't love them as much as my two favorite films "Stage Fright" & "Campscare", but they're all still undeniably fantastic pictures.
Of all the Scooby films, Simone is personally one of my favorite antagonists, but for a very childish reason... Her utterly over-the-top French accent! I'm a Mongol that had lived in France for a while and, while the accent isn't too far off, it's still pretty exaggerated and I do love that.
Once again, great video, Joe! You deserved a little reward after seeing Scooby & faded celebraties run from incredibly non-frightening individuals.
Thank you very much! This was definitely a needed change of pace from the series I just covered.
Though not French myself, Adrienne Barbeau definitely did a passable accent (to my ears). Is it possible that as she's two hundred years old, her accent is more inline with the original French settlers colonizing the Louisiana territory, and since she wasn't around modern speakers, she wouldn't know to tone it down a bit?
Uh, Simone the character is two hundred years old. Not Adrienne Barbeau the actress.
Who frankly looks amazing for someone approaching 80.
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@@JoeGoesOver I've been to New Orleans and, now that you mention it, many old Frenchies I know there that were cohorts of my grandmother's have a similar accent to Simone so, that does seem to be a plausible case.
The maybe the curse caused the victims to be ‘indigestible’ by the swamp scavengers, preserving the bodies.
I was wondering why you had to re-upload it. It's a shame that you have to remove that extra section, but I suppose it was necessary to avoid getting a copyright.
That said, that was an awesome video. I like the rating you gave the villains of Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island. I'm looking forward to seeing what D.O.O. score you plan on giving the other villains of the Scooby-Doo Renaissance movies. I'm also looking forward to seeing show videos for the Scooby-Doo Show.
I've started the script for the first episodes of 'The Scooby-Doo Show'. I'll have to see how it goes, but I think I'll do a few videos on that series, then hit 'Witch's Ghost' and/or the other two films. It will mostly depend on how well everything flows.
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I loved Zombie Island! When they try and unmask a zombie and his head comes off is priceless!
Daphne wiping her hands on her skirt in disgust after touching the zombie is another one of the priceless little touches that made this such a stellar film!
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Considering the zombies disintegrated as soon as Simone Lina and Jacque died, my guess is that the curse that transformed them also prevented the zombies from being disposed of, meaning that they couldn’t rest until the curse was broken. That, or like ghosts in film, the zombies being alive were the direct result of their murderers being still alive and thus they couldn’t rest until their murderers were dead. Like Velma said “Their spirits have been avenged, Shaggy, so they can finally rest in peace”. In other words, they had been cursed to wander around as zombies for as long as Simone and Lina remained alive, and they were finally released from it when the werecats died..
Glad this is finally uploaded properly, as soon as you said it was a patrons only early access mistake i actually just put on the older episodes. I didn't wanna take advantage of that. I'm so excited to properly watch it, this was my first real horror experience as a kid. Because going into it around '08 I never knew it existed, and what it was about.
Count yourself lucky if you could have seen the uncut version.
I had to excise half of the video before it passed content matching, and even now I'm nervous I'll get hit with another one at some point!
'Where Are You?' scared the hell out of me as a kid in the 1970s, but 'Zombie Island' reignited my Scooby fandom, long since cooled by the Scrappy years.
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@@JoeGoesOver I sadly didn't actually watch it when I commented last night. It's not a huge deal. But I fucking love your content Joe, seeing your love for this series, you uploading Is a highlight of my week. Keep doing what you do Joe
This is a great surprise on a Friday!!!
I had planned on a Saturday release, but after all the TH-cam content match issues, I figured I'd upload it now and hope for the best.
It's been a while since I've had to re-encode and re-upload so many times before it went through, and I'm still nervous about it seeing it flagged when I wake up tomorrow. Usually, content match happens immediately with my stuff. This time around, despite being initially given the okay, it took over a day later for my video to get dinged.
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This Scooby renaissance really capitalized on people like me born in the early 90's with parents born in the early 60's. Our local move store (not rental store, but a store) had all the vhs tapes and we'd buy all the classic episodes (the 20 out of 25 available), these four renaissance movies and the three red shirt movies. We also got Arabian nights which was an absolute dud in my house.
Yeah, I really can't count 'Arabian Nights' as a Scooby film.
I've watched Scooby almost my entire half century of being, but didn't actually get home video until the DVD era when I wanted my kids to watch. My son didn't care much for the show but my daughter is a huge fan at least. It's one of the few shows we watched together and she's the one who pushed me into making Scooby stuff on my channel.
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I'd still argue their human forms are disguises, as they did create a cover for themselves that is not indicative of their factual origins, intentions and lives.
Also, I just love the idea that this is a Scooby Doo story where the monsters disguise themselves as humans, rather than the other way around. I would argue human skinsuits the Spooky Island demons use in the first live action movie should also count as the outfit score, and should be low, because of how bad they are at imitating humans.
Lastly, to go back to the Batman analogue, I don't think Bruce Wayne is just nothing, an empty husk Batman wears as a disguise, I do believe the public persona Bruce has very much is just a mask, that is not who he is, he's a smart, heroic, caring man who fights crime and takes care of his family, he can't be that while he's out on the town, he can only be himself in privacy, with friends, or while he's in disguise as Batman so no one can recognize him.
Same here. Lena and Simone's personalities did not get overriden by the cat god, but Simone the rich plantation owner and Lena the housekeeper are not who they really are, the cruel killers with magic powers who lived for centuries are what they are.
You make a good argument for Simone and Lena's "disguises".
There have been other moments in Scooby-Doo where a "monster" is disguised as a human. 'Alien Invaders' comes immediately to mind, though I don't think benevolent aliens should be classified as "monsters".
Batman has gone through so many different personas over the years, and the "single-minded vigilante pretending to be a billionaire" is just one of them. My memory is fuzzy, but I believe in one of the animated series, there was a moment when Batman's secret identity was protected from a psychic attack because he only ever saw himself as Batman and not Bruce Wayne.
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No problem Joe, great vid and glad you made it. Thank you
Same here joe!
Thanks for the kind words!
I've had videos give me issues before, but this one was just unrelenting trying to get through the copyright matching system.
I wish TH-cam would learn that "fair use" isn't only meant to be stamped on corn dog fryers!
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I’d like to think that they hid the bodies in the swamp as a way to cover up their sacrifice after all and investigator usually just looks for signs of foul play if the bodies are found, they could just say oh they probably just died in the swamp or something
But if any bodies were found, regardless of their condition the authorities would likely order an autopsy.
I'm not sure what a coroner would find examining a corpse that had its life force sucked dry, but it's likely it would be weird enough that the death would not be ruled "accidental".
Worse (for Simone and Lena), once one body was uncovered, it's likely investigators would start digging for more.
And have you SEEN how many zombies started popping up all over the place?
It's practically planet Gideon of corpses on Moonscar Island!
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@@JoeGoesOver usually op, topsy’s are used to find signs of foul play, poisoning, or stabs wounds, if examining the corpse doesn’t find anything that seems foul play, they would not assume murder, plus if they killed them in their cat forms, they can just say it was like some sort of wild animal they killed them
Okay so i got to tell this story about zombie island and my experience. My first exposure to it was a junior book which summarized the whole film in 10 or so pages in Indonesian. I got to the part when shaggy and scooby drank swamp wayer and i got disguted and then i turned some pages to when both almost got their life force sucked out and i thought they got that way because of drinking swamp water
Honestly, they SHOULD have at least had a small bout of dysentery considering they were drinking CORPSE WATER!
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excellent video and analysis man, really liked it. can't wait to see the scooby doo show or the rest of the movies in the renaissance
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The first part of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' Villain Rankings is now live for my Patreon members and should be available for everyone else in a day or two, barring any unforeseen TH-cam shenanigans.
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Be forewarned, I'm taking notes. When you get around to the first live-action Scooby-Doo movie, we'll see if you can give that a score based in objectivity as well; since when you think about it, the villain in that one and this movie are using the exact same tactics... except the live-action villain was way more successful at it.
There are quite a few similarities between 'Zombie Island' and 'Scooby-Doo' (2002).
Whenever I get there, I will likely point that out and it should definitely have some bearing on the design score!
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Oh, a re-upload. For a minute, I thought you were skipping the New Scooby Doo show.
Hah! Nope! I'm actually in the middle of the script going over the first episodes of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' and have finished most of the supporting art.
I promise this will be my next upload!
I just love rewatching this movie. Last time I did it, I tried to match all the zombies with their alive counterparts that appeared in the flashbacks. Found all the pirates, but as for the spice traders, I only found bearded guy on the boat (the blonde zombie in a blue coat) and the long haired guy behind him.
That's awesome! Apart from Moonscar, it never even occurred to me to try matching zombies to their flashback counterparts!
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@@JoeGoesOver this movie is addictive. I love it.
I feel like the zombies might just be manifested from the clay and roots of the swamp, and moonscar is just a special exception cuz his bones are still around. I also LOVE the idea that the zombies were only summoned cuz of shaggy and scooby, brings a whole new light on the film now.
I'd also argue that their human forms are their disguise, and that with the human face being a mask, they can change it however they want with makeup. After all, their real identities are over 200 years old, so there's no way anyone would think of their real names. and what judge would sign an arrest warrant for a 200+ year old person?
Plenty of southern judges hold grudges that transcend time and space. I mean, a lot of them are still fighting on the losing side of the American Civil War, so I'd bet it'd be easy to find half a dozen in Louisiana willing to sign off on a warrant for Simone and Lena, especially since so many of their victims were Confederate soldiers.
Hell, English Royalists dug up Oliver Cromwell's corpse and "executed" him three years after he actually died, so there's precedent!
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"Fucking Carl the Stuntman " will never get old.😂😂
He should be followed by street urchins who constantly jeer and toss rotten fruit at him.
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@@JoeGoesOver, hey, he may be awful, but at least we got one of Scooby Doo’s most heroic moments out of it..😊
I was hoping that the movies would eventually get covered. I'm eagerly looking forward to when you poke the many, many holes in Monster of Mexico's scheme.
I may get there some day, but it might take a while.
There's an awful lot of Scooby stuff between here and there.
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@@JoeGoesOver Oh yeah, I was thinking it would be at least a year or two down the road depending on whether you decide to skip some series, if not longer. I'm just looking forward to it because as far as plans go, the bad guy's scheme in that movie barely ranks above Karl the Stuntman.
I say Moonscar was one of the central focuses of the curse. His bones exposed was the linchpin of the zombie uprising; I feel you are on the money.
I agree
@@Zacman1123 thank you. Also, all magic and voodoo aside, vengeance alone is very much a traditional animating force for zombies of murdered people, even if they kind of had it coming, in the pirate’s case.
The more I thought about it, the more convinced I was. Thank you!
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I was hoping for this Ranking Villains for A Pup Named Scooby Doo too, but this was also a lot of fun. :p I wish they didn't try to ruin it with Return for no reason...
I'm afraid it's unlikely that I'll be covering 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' in the foreseeable future. It's not a series I particularly liked, though I'm forced to appreciate it has its own very loyal fandom.
I won't 100% rule it out, though. Who knows? I didn't think I'd ever complete 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies' either, and I went into that dreading what most of the episodes would be like.
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Amazing video
Thank you very much!
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Really admire your passion for scooby doo and the work you put in to your videos man :-D
Thank you very much! Comments like that keep me motivated to keep working!
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@@JoeGoesOver Its just all the work you put in to in, Allthough i sometime disagree with some of the points i really appreaciate when passionated fans gives us this kind of content, Your points is valid but i think my scale for a good Scooby Doo episode is do i fell entertained by this episode.
And other cartoon episodes in general, Are they rewatchable
Well this movie was originally meant to be an episode for the Swat Kats which got cancelled and then later it was used in the Jonny Quest episode Eclipse as they have the same writers for this movie.
Well about the Batman thing where it’s not only the Alter Ego thing but it’s also that the cat people (as I thought you were going to mention the Cat People from the 40’s and the Sleepers as they are doing the same thing) who half the cast are voiced acted in Batman TAS but the Green goblin from Spider-Man where Norman Osborn is the Mask and the Green goblin is real face as that was not the case in movies
Well I do wonder what the Cat people have been doing all those years like we don’t know much about Simone and Lena lives before Moon-scar came along because it never stated that were they married like Simone was definitely the Leader without a husband and Lena never mention having one ether because they are definitely a Dracula and Renfield type relationship as well as Jaques which speaking of I would have imagine it being like Hela and Skurge in Thor Ragnarok on how they first met as they would teach him how to use the power, but I don’t get why they need wax anyway because they are fast as cheetahs (ha get it from Wonder Woman 1984) as Shaggy and Scooby are afraid of everything and are so easy to fool but finally they really need to be immortal because all they wanted to do was kill the pirates for killing their people but I guess the power got into their heads and that why they continue on with this.
I touch on Simone and Lena's motivations in my 'Zombie Island Murders' video.
In the end, regardless of WHY they became cat creatures, they were still evil because they didn't need to live forever. They could have stopped killing people and died of old age, but they got greedy.
@@JoeGoesOver exactly
18:18-18:27 no worries. The context is what matters, people keep forgetting that. Maybe I should make a wish to give people better brain cells to actually function as human beings. Make of that what you will..
The plot kinda reminds me of Welcome to Dead House from Goosebumps.
'Goosebumps' was missed my childhood by about a decade, so I can't add anything.
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Assuming of course you continue to publish these videos (Love your content btw) I would love to hear your thoughts on why you see A pup named Scooby Doo as being as bad as it was, great video as always
Several reasons.
Thank you for the nice words! Sorry that I'm about to answer with less-than-nice ones when it comes to my feelings on 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'.
For starters, I've never liked "child" versions of established characters. They're usually a studio's cynical answer to trying to reinvigorate a franchise and they seldom work (which is why I always hated Scrappy, even as a kid in the 1970s).
I also didn't like the voices. Sure they brought back Messick and Kasem, but I didn't think much of the other actors. It was also jarring to hear adult Shaggy's voice coming out of the kid, despite the other recast roles featuring younger actors (RIP Fred's voice actor).
Finally, the animation was just atrocious, mainly due to Glen Kennedy, one of the worst animators who ever lived. 'Tiny Toon Adventures' was known for being hit and miss when it came to quality due to the work being doled out to several different studios. If you pick out the ugliest episodes in that series, Glen Kennedy was likely responsible.
To me, 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' was a perfect storm of bad.
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@@JoeGoesOver Of course and thank you for responding. That's also extremely fair since the show even though I enjoyed it, always felt like a "Love it or hate it" kinda deal which makes sense. Also I've been meaning to type this as well but do you have any plans of showing the ranking of the series with all seasons of a show going forward? For example after reviewing every episode of the Scooby Doo Show I'd absolutely love to see how the villains from season one compare to the villains of season two by having them all meshed together, completely understand if not of course but I think it'd be it neat to look back on once a show is completed
I wouldn't rule it out, but right now my focus is on continuing forward rather than revisiting episodes I've already covered (with the exception of my next villain ranking, which covers a Scooby film I've discussed before).
You're not alone in liking 'Pup', though. Despite my negative feelings, it appears to be an extremely popular series in the fandom, based on how much love I see it receives on Reddit!
@@JoeGoesOver Oh no I was referring to the videos going forward not at all saying remake your older videos of course, sorry for the confusion
I remember when the film was run on Cartoon Network, and as a long time fan, I couldn't wait to see how it was go! My expectations were surpassed! I thought it was fitting for the gang to step it up and deal with actual supernatural beings! It's one reason why SDMI also resonated with me (and others). Not to mention more maturity for the gang as well. My main complaint though was Velma resigning herself to a bookshop owner (I like to think she would more likely work for Quest Industries) and Shaggy and Scooby working as customs agents. These two would be living on the fringe of society - Shaggy always reminded me of the proverbial free spirit, not working in a conventional job. If anything it would have been more in character for him to have been the guy who makes a living as a competitive eater (think Joey Chestnut). It would give him a good outlet for his cast iron stomach.
I used to think if they went ahead with another series, it would have belonged in this universe and we would get the mature series die hard fans hoped for. The gang would be working their professional lives, but still have them tied to supernatural events and watching their relationships mature as well.
Re: Lena's and Simone's lives: They lived on the island with other colonists. Obviously they were French (not uncommon as N.O. and New France was full of them) and had a unique religion centered upon a cat god. They sought religious freedom (as French were largely Catholic) and the island gave their group the isolation and freedom to practice. The invasion by Moonscar ruined their peaceful plans. After killing the pirates, they could have chosen to let the curse end by turning to dust at the next harvest moon but choose to continue living and wrecking havoc on those who came to the island over the next 2 centuries. Perhaps the immortality curse triggered something and made them want to keep living, as opposed to being willing to end things?
RE: the body count : After draining the souls of their victims, the girls probably thought they could just dump the bodies in the swamp, assuming the gators would do the rest. They may not have known that the gators didn't get rid of the bodies, or that the moon's light would bring the victim's back to life. Of course one would wonder how they never noticed zombies wandering around before but perhaps that's because they had live potential victims to warn this time.
Despite being cat creatures, these were still women so they would still need men periodically to help with various jobs around the plantation when all the other residents were killed or fled. Maintaining a large property would take a lot so they would have needed people to repair the house, take care of landscaping, etc. It's also plausible they opened the island briefly for tourist stays or as a hideout for pirates and other outlaws (more victims who wouldn't be missed). Of course by the 90s, it would be harder to make people disappear and not have attention drawn to it. If the gang hadn't come along, their operation would have failed eventually. As you pointed out, if the cop had been another victim, the police might have been all over the island looking for answers and the two would have been suspects.
The longer you think about the Moonscar Island scenario, the more things don't make sense.
But as true of all good movies, you only think about these things long, long after you watch it because at the time, you're absorbed by the excellent story, acting and production!
The ONLY career that would pay for Shaggy and Scooby's gluttony would be food competitions or perhaps restaurant critics. Any newspaper that'd hire them, though, would be bankrupt.
Well, bankrupt thirty years earlier than expected, at any rate.
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I think Both lost their Family to the Pirates.
Sorry, Joe, but, to me, your point about the clothing of the zombies doesn't hold water. We see Moonscar's naked skeleton grow both flesh and clothing in the pit with Scooby and Shaggy.
Fair point, but we only see Moonscar's body and clothing reconstitute.
All the other zombies burst out of the ground or water fully formed. We never get a scene of them reforming their flesh or clothing.
So it's conceivable they were buried whole after being drained.
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Unfortunately with the topic you cover you must walk a fine line to avoid content warnings/copyright issues...you've done a great job again. I was pleased to see a review of a well done movie for a change, although I was disappointed that Casey Kasem declined to take part in these movies. I enjoyed that they made a more grown up version that spoke to use who grew up with the original series. I am looking forward to The Witch's Ghost - my absolute favourite of this phase.
Asking me to choose between 'Zombie Island' and 'Witch's Ghost' as my favorite is like asking me to choose which of my kids is my favorite.
It's my son. Definitely my son. I love my daughter, too, but since she never watches my stuff or reads the comments, I can safely say this here.
I do plan on hitting 'Witch's Ghost' in the future, but I'm not sure when. I will probably do a few videos on 'The Scooby-Doo Show' before taking a break to give Ben Ravencroft another visit.
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Oh, and if you do happen to read this, you know Daddy's just kidding, sweetie.
Probably.
@@JoeGoesOver If I were to view Zombie Island and Witch’s Ghost as my own children, Zombie Island would be the Son and Witch’s Ghost would be the Daughter. Both have a great tale to tell involving the usual Scooby formula, but they have their unique takes on how they tell it. To me, I treat the first two as equals.
BTW, I don’t think people of modern times ever heard of a werecat before… maybe in that Michael Jackson film with the Zombies.
Glad we’re ignoring the “swamp gas” theory.
People hate farts so much that they blame EVERYTHING on them, huh?
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Yeah in that version of Wizard of Oz but if you read the books and I'm talking about there's a whole series of them it's a lot darker in the Land of Oz.
It's been a long, LONG time since I read the original 'Wizard of Oz' novel, but I still remember being horrified as a child by how violent and gory it was.
Seems the Tin Woodsman used that axe for more than trees.
@@JoeGoesOver You get to see some of that in a silent film version of the OZ tale. Oliver Hardy (yes THAT Oliver Hardy) played the Tin Man in that one. When I saw him use the ax, it startled me!
Zombie Island is a vhs classic
Indeed!
3:25: Shown here, not the first live-action movie, but the much better sequel.
Oh, I know that wasn't the first one. I just used a quick clip that I had handy as an illustration of the live action films.
In hindsight, that was a confusing mistake on my part.
I'd say it won't happen again, but who am I kidding?
There's no way that I won't make confusing or lazy mistakes in the future!
@@JoeGoesOver I was just teasing you; I did say Monsters Unleashed is the much better live-action film, as the first live-action film is just a repeat of Zombie Island, except Scrappy is the villain… as stated, I can probably understand why the execs wanted to get rid of him, as Scrappy almost got Fred Jones arrested for a crime he didn’t commit, while they’re attending a birthday reunion no less: th-cam.com/video/BI-nuUK1aKg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4LhRXnw5r0fvi8mV
I think the reason the zombies came back when the gang was there is they could sense they'd be able to set them free
That's not bad reasoning, but they still acted a bit threatening at the end after Simone and the rest evaporated.
Hey Joe, don't worry about the scooby doo show. We enjoy your scooby videos because of the way you make them, not which show it's about, so to me this video is awesome 👍🏼.
I'm also sorry that you had to cut out the last segment of the video after the doo ranking. I've come to really enjoy that segment and it's sad to see it go here
Thank you very much for saying so!
I'm hoping there are enough 'Zombie Island' fans that they'd forgive me for slightly delaying 'The Scooby-Doo Show'.
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Yeah, in the end I just could not get them to work for TH-cam's content matching system.
I may try to find a way to upload them separately and either find a different hosting site and if nothing else, let my Patreon members have the option of seeing it uncut.
I own the original design drawing for the cover art of the Witch's Ghost!
And actually, fun fact. The guy I bought it from directed these 4 movies and said that the original plan was for Velma to be redesigned as a goth, but they changed their minds at the last minute!
Oh my god! That's incredible! I'm so jealous!
About the closest I have to anything like that is a plastic chair mat I was given by the guy who voiced "He-Man". It's in pieces now, but I still have it in my attic because I can't bring myself to toss it.
If Scooby hadn't been around the last fifty years and they tried creating the show today, there's a better than even chance Velma would have been a goth.
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One thing that confounds me. If the police would have been investing the potential disappearance of Beau, then why didn’t the rest, or at least a large contingent of the army investigate the disappearance of Colonel Pettigrew and and the rest of the 8th Louisiana Regiment? How did Simone and Lena cover that up?
My best guess is the Confederate Army assumed the Union Army did it and either didn't bother investigating any further (they were in the middle of losing a war, so they had more important things to deal with), or they did investigate, found nothing and decided to cover it up out of embarrassment over losing an entire regiment.
Never underestimate the power of the confusion of war or the importance the upper echelons of any power structure place on covering their own butts.
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Very good video
Would it be possible for the montage monsters and the flash back one to be ranked within a short
That's not a bad idea, but you really don't see enough of them to really know much about them, other than their suits.
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@JoeGoesOver well the moat monster was counterfeiting
The ghost was scamming people I think
The bat monster was looting Graves
I think the crab monster was getting revenge?
The guy's shirt ripped at the chest because he gains like half a foot in shoulder width when he transforms
It's definitely attention grabbing!
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I know you would think that cutting up the body to examine it may put the villains under suspicion, but I don’t think so after all, if there’s no sign of stab marks, poisoning, or any signs of a struggle plus them scratching the bodies may make it look like they were just attacked by a wild animal.
Pathologists can be miracle workers, though, and a dot on an eyeball can lead them to discovering what was originally thought of as a heart attack was actually strangulation.
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I actually liked the pup verison too, the theme song hits different but Zombie island was the legit most scary kids show ever
One of the biggest complaints about 'Be Cool, Scooby-Doo' was the animation.
That's the biggest complaint I have with 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'. I hate that "quality" of animation like it cheated on me and left me after after two weeks of marriage.
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Well this was unexpected because I thought you were going for the Scooby Doo show villains or the Scooby Doo crossover that should have happen as I forgot to mention Jimmy Carter as the fan theory about Scooby and the gang being Draft Dodgers as Jimmy Carter giving the Dodgers patrons after the Vietnam War and also on the Spider-Man part have you seen the Me and the Boys meme well that’s what I meant about the sinister six as they would be based on 60’s Spider-Man cartoon as the episode was called “To catch a Spider”
I hope you do the Live Action Scooby Doo movie villains
I decided to reward myself with a visit to 'Zombie Island' after finishing 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies', as it's my favorite Scooby-Doo film. My next upload will definitely be the first episodes of 'The Scooby-Doo Show'. I'm already writing the script and have most of the supporting art ready to go.
I don't know when, but I expect to hit the James Gunn-penned films at some point.
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@@JoeGoesOver okay then
Terror time again 🎶
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Monster Musume nice 😏
Harem anime used to be near the bottom when it comes to "trash", but enough people are getting sick of isekai that the two are probably on the same rung anymore.
Not that I care. I like 'em both.
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I think the main inspiration for the supernatural elements of this movie was Egyptian magic. Cat god, they were known to use wax dolls for sympathetic magic and what not. The zombies were just a side effect of the curse trapping their souls into this plane, that is vague enough to not connect directly to any culture (they wouldn't mummify their attackers or victims so, plain zombies instead of mummies it was)
There was definitely some Egyptian influence in the episode with the cat worship, but overall I'd say it was more Haitian and African with the zombies and voodoo dolls.
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Agreed.
Definitely.
This is brilliant, this movie is just amazing, just watched it again last Sunday so perfect watching this video now the twist with them being villains and cat creatures and the zombies being the good guys shocked me when I first saw this film
It's always been my favorite Scooby film!
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@@JoeGoesOver same
I’ll be honest, the main reason I questioned if investigators would find anything out of the ordinary is due to harry potter and the killing curse when investigators examine the victims and then find anything out of the ordinary they just dismissed it I know it was like in the 40s or 50s I had investigators have to use logic to figure out what happened to a victim if there’s no scientific explanation I doubt they’re going to use anything magical as an explanation plus some of the relatively recent bodies like 30 years or so. I doubt investigative would think the two villains were involved due to the logic of how old they look
I suppose it depends on the local police.
Are they the kind who think they know who's guilty and try to find evidence, or the kind who KNOW who's guilty and they make up their own evidence?
The regular Scooby-Doo was targeted for young and audience, but no live action version of Scooby-Doo was meant to be targeted as for teenagers or like child up but teenagers cause how much how much lively it is and how much was the little kids and give them little nightmares they always get nightmares in their headscary Scooby Doo
I was expecting and hoping an highter score for this villains (not necessarly 5 because I know they couldn't have gotten a perfect outfit score and also them not creating dolls of Shaggy and Scooby was an objective mistake) but yoyr reasoning make sense. I was at least hoping for a 5 in design, never noticed the similirities with Dracula.
This movie is one of the main reasons why I feel iffy on the outfit score being so necessary in ranking the villains. While it works most of the times, and it's true that an human villain not wearing an outfit should be rightfully penalized if he is trying to be a Scooby Doo villain (with maybe a few exeptions), Simone and Lena where intentional subversions of the Scooby Doo formula and that's one of the most well recived aspect of both the movie and them as villains, so it feel weird to penalize them for it. They are as iconic as the costumed bad guys ai would say.
You are right in not considering the sequel. It blatantly retconned and contraddicted many point of the movie, either intentionally or not.
I had an idea for a whilr that Velma's levitation could have been caused not by the ghosts, but by Lena testing a Voodoo doll she already made. I have not watched the movie since tough, so I am not 100% sure it holds up. I vaguely remember that shortly before Velma lost one object on her possession wich the bad guys where using to link the dolls to the victims, it's possible they made the shape before since they purposly invited them. So it's possible the ghost could't interact with the living's world more then by carving on the walls. But even then yes, i always wonderd why they wheren't more explicity with their warning. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to spell everything in front of the villains, but they could have done it in their rooms. Maybe they feared that no one would trust a bunch of ghosts over normal people and scare tattics where more effective, but they could have leasr tried... Or maybe they did tried with the former victims and no one ever belived them. This would explain many things. I also always wondered why the zombies never attacked them, i love your explainayion iy makes so much sense.
Cut some slacks to Fred for hitting those zombies, he tought they where trying to kill him! As for the fisherman, i wonder why Simone and Lena didn't seem intended on killing him as well.
Another thing that always bugs me: who sent a sole police officer to investigate a case of mass disappearences wich could have very well be murders alone and apparently unarmed (at least, he never pulled out a gun). Even if the villains wheren't cat creatures, he could have been in severe danger if they ever got suspicious.
I am curious, from what kind of voodoo tradition voodoo dolls are from? I do not know much about this stuff.
I didn't fully understand if you intend on doing the other three movies next or alternate them with the Scooby Doo Show. Either way i look foward to it, I like both products so it's a win win situation for me. Witch's ghost it's interested because it arguably has three unaffiliated bad guys or groups of them: the townspeople, Ben Ravencroft and Sarah Ravencroft. I wonder if you would include the mummies/zombies/whatever they where at the beginning of the episode in Ben's outfit score. While he didn't personally wore any disguise, those masked bad guy where still working for him and part of his scheme. Alien Invaders has the more tradictional bad guys out of the four, while with Cyber Chase the Phantom Virus even if not a disguise could be in a situation similar to Charlie for what I personally think, but ut would be your decision to include it or no. The human bad guy of that movie could be one of the dumber since Carl. Why did he put his sport obsession into the virus? And why he runned away when the gang accused him despite the evidence being circumstantial and he could have easly tried to claim that there where attempts at framung him (wich onestly would have been more belivable)? I would be surprised if he gets more then 1 for operation
(I also managed to watch the part post rating, as you can tell by a few comments being about it, shame you had to cut it)
The Scooby-Doo formula has always been, at it's heart, "a bad guy wearing a mask". Occasionally, some media will ignore this, but overall, this is how the franchise works. Setting out, this was how I decided to base my ranking. I didn't think it would be fair to just do what others have done by just assigning a ranking and be done with it. By breaking the score into design, outfit and operation, I felt it would do a better job at determining an overall score. Unfortunately, this gives a distinct disadvantage for those few Scooby villains who don't actually wear a disguise.
Without this ranking method, Simone and Lena would have undoubtedly been awarded a 5 simply because I love them so much. That's hardly fair, though.
I did consider that perhaps Velma could have been levitated via Simone or Lena to "test" their dolls, and it's possible that was the producers' intention, but ultimately decided it was unlikely due to a) Velma being the only one levitated like that, despite Fred, Daphne and Beau all having dolls, b) Simone and Lena had to reason to levitate Velma at that stage, c) they were already in the throes of supernatural shenanigans with the ghostly writing on the wall and d) it didn't appear as though Simone or Lena had an opportunity by that stage to make the dolls or be using them at that moment.
It's not unusual for undercover police officers to enter a dangerous situation by themselves. Sometimes, that's the only way to get the information they need. It's their job, after all.
I will probably do a few videos focusing on 'The Scooby-Doo Show' then maybe toss in 'Witch's Ghost' and/or the others.
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@@JoeGoesOver I am not saying that you shouldn't have broken the ranking the way you did, and usually outfit is a good category, and in retrospective i think it's fair to penalize those shows and movies that break the formula for no good reason often eliminating what should be the core aspect of the franchise, the mystery solving. The jeanie episode, the entirety of the series with just Shaggy Scooby e Scrappy, two out of three of the red shirt shaggy movies ecc. However i feel zombie island is a special case. It broke the formula with a specific purpouse, while at the same time keeping the heart of the series intact (there is still a mystery to solve) and is for such reason that it ended up being so well recived. In a ranking that value originality so much, penalizing them for doing something new wich is the entire reason while they are considered so beloved and memorable, feel counter intuitive. Is giving them an handicap for what almost everyone consider the best aspect of them. I am not saying they should have got a perfect score. I am perfectly ok with penalizing them for the lack of originality in the scheme (personaly I wouldn't have done that since their scheme is very original for Scooby doo and I think it had enough to separate it from Dracula as well to me, but at least I see your point and it's a fair reasoning) and expecially for their mistakes in operation wich are the real problems with them as villains. I am not saying you should only went with personal tastes, I am fhe first to fear thta maybe Space Kook had got a bit too much (mostly because the patriotic stuff seems to much of theory to take it into consideration that much and for ignoring him trapping himself, altough that ultimatly more excusable because he was in a panic). And I also not saying outfit should be eliminated as a categpry altougheter i just feel that it should be made more flexible to accomodate for those villains that manage to not use a disguise and still keep the spirit of the franchise, solving mysteties related to the supernatural. Maybe you could have rated their looks as wherecats, even if it's not strictly a disguise being the close equifor how much you do not like it, rating the humans form as disguises is a good idea since they ended up having fhe same purpouse that the monster disguises usually have, hiding their true nature and keeping the mystery, with the scene in wich they trasform feeling like a bit of a reverse unmasking. I still love this rating, I wanf this to be clear, i rewatch your videos constantly and i leave huge comments every times, that's exactly why I want to give suggestions to improve them to fix what's to me a small flaw (altough we had passed the istance in wich I think it would have been really unfair, for the rest the only other problem that I still have are those episodes of What's New and Mystery Inc that have things like robots and other stuffs in place of disguise, but sincd you where flexible with Charlie maybe you would be with those as well, but I really feel that Simone and Lena really got thd short end of the stick in an unfair way.
For the cop, I get going alone, but they do not allow them to at least carry a weapon irl, maybe hidden to not blow up the cover?
Yeah I don't think there is much support for the levitation theory, altough it could have been an accident, with Lena lifting the Voodoo doll in a way she shouldn't have (altough admitedly, that would happen regardless while tryinh to move them so it would make more sense to apply the cloth only when they are in their hidden cove)
Wasn't expecting Zombie Island to be the next Scooby review, but it's definitly a nice break from Scooby-Doo and the not-so-great animation.
A couple of tidbits, first Velma researched the island and found out that there was lots of disappearances over the years. So, it may have had some minor investigations over the years, but noone came back. We wouldn't be able to prove that no one came back if investigators never came back. But it probably does mean that no one w/ major connections went disappearing there.
Secondly, having Jacque as their ferryman is actually great strategy. If someone was to actually arrive on the island, then get scared enough by the zombies and/or ghosts and wanted to leave. All Jacque had to do was pretend the ferry boat was stalled or needed some engine repairs and couldn't be used right now. It's not like croc hunter dude and Mojo were going to give any tourists a ride back to the main land.
Thirdly, would they have really cared whether or not Bo (Beaux?) was an police investigator? Say he goes missing after doing a missing persons investigation. Police Chief and judges send more police out to the island to investigate. That's just more victims for them. We don't get to see the full extent of their powers, but I fee like that between their huge success rate, and probably large egos, they would be up to the challenge of fighting against a SWAT team if they arrived on shore. They'll probably all find out if the cat creatures are bulletproof when that happens.
Also, I finished watching volume 2 of RWBY during breaks at work today, and I had to pick one of the several scooby-doo movies on my surface to watch next. And then I saw Zombie Island, and I thought that would be a perfect time to start it again.
It's an interesting thought experiment when it comes to just how powerful Simone and Lena (and to a lesser extent, Jacques) are when it comes to fighting governmental authorities.
While it's difficult to say with certainty just how powerful magical beings are who are under a curse by a literal god, on the other hand there are just two/three of them and there has to be limit to what they can defend against.
Once authorities accepted they were dealing with an actual supernatural threat in the form of two/three cat creatures, how would they react? If they lose contact with a trained SWAT team, what would be the next step? Likely a call to the Louisiana governor to request deployment of that state's National Guard troops. Eventually the government would employ enough firepower than Simone and Lena would not be able to cope.
It's like the old nerd argument about the resurrection ability of werewolves. If they can always regenerate injured flesh, at what point would this not be practical? What if instead of just shooting the monster with a silver bullet and leaving the body alone, you instead put the remains in a shredder or other industrial machine. You render the flesh down to a slurry, then burn it in a furnace. You then take the ashes and spread them all over the planet, putting thousands of miles between each dump. Would that be enough to finally stop the werewolf from coming back, or would it eventually reconstitute, even if it takes hundreds or thousands of years for each individual cell to find its way back to the whole?
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This actually reminds me@@JoeGoesOver
Deadliest Warrior did their finale on vampires vs zombies. (The Twilight kind of vampires w/ the glimmering bodies and lots of magic.) But apparently, according to their fully scientific analysis on vampires and zombies, each vampire can defeat ~83 zombies before getting eaten. Don't know how well that relates to cat creatures, but it does seem like that Simone, Lena, and Jacque could handle a dozen zombies each at least, considering they've survived so long already.
But yeah, thanks for the awesome vids!
@@JoeGoesOver what you said about grinding the werewolf body to mush, reminds me of that ending to Renfield, which is a good movie, all things considered.
My favorite Scooby-Doo movie is Scooby-Doo 2 and Scoob
I enjoyed both of the James Gunn-written live action films, but I boycotted 'Scoob' over how the voice actors were treated by the studio.
It's bad enough they were replaced by non-voice actors, but the studio didn't even bother giving them a head's up over being recast.
Lillard and the rest found out from a post on social media!
Funny enough this movie was my introduction to Scooby Doo. I think I was maybe 4-5 at the time when my older sister put it on when it aired on Cartoon Network (rip). And it freaked me out and I didn’t wanna watch Scooby doo stuff for awhile. Though within the next year or two between retiring of older Scooby doo shows and I was given a couple VHS tapes of where are you episodes my fear of this film went away.
Your experience mirrors mine with the Space Kook episode.
It's been way too long to be certain, but I suspect it was the first episode of Scooby-Doo I ever saw and for that reason, four-year-old me would run screaming from the room whenever the opening credits to 'Where Are You?' would appear on our old TV screen.
It took a few years for my love of Scooby to get past that!
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@@JoeGoesOver hey no problem I love your stuff. Though at least you were introduced to Scooby Doo proper and Zombie Island is very different from typical Scooby Doo affair.
I watched Zombie island…. In DAYCARE!!!!
Whereas I first saw it on a VHS video tape.
On a CRT television.
Me and the other cavemen.
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@@JoeGoesOver my pleasure
Actually I live right down the street from the largest Confederate Cemetery North of the Mason-Dixon line. Camp Chase Confederate Cemetery in Columbus Ohio.
I've visited a few Civil War sites as a kid during one of the many interminable vacations my family dragged me on.
I Don’t care what you think, A Pup Named Scooby-Doo is nowhere near the worst of this franchise especially when something like Velma exists.
At least APNSD was a more sincere self parody while Velma is just cynical and spiteful.
As little as I like the show, I recognize that 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' has a large audience in the Scooby fandom.
I wanted to like 'Velma', because reimaginings of beloved franchises gave us 'Mystery Incorporated', but I couldn't get past the third episode.
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@@JoeGoesOver at least we're on the same page with that last one. Mystery Incorporated and Be Cool Scooby-Doo are reimaginings that take some risks and succeed whereas Velma fails miserably.
@@JoeGoesOver funny enough, I dropped out of checking each new episode our after episode 4 and instead decided to rewatch Where Are You and the other shows of the franchise and instantly got reminded of why I love this franchise and what most of them have that Velma doesn't, likeability and charm.
Pup Named Scooby Doo may be a low point, but, it has a very odd nostalgia, for me. I've learned never to go back and rewatch it, but, when I avoid that, my memories are fond. The ghosts and monsters are BY FAR the overall stupidest concepts.
I recognize 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" is the favorite for a lot of people, but it never worked for me, mainly due to how poorly it was animated. Glen Kennedy was one of the forces behind the animation and that guy did garbage work.
If you happened to watch 'Tiny Toon Adventures' and noticed how well some episodes were animated and others looked cheap and sloppy, those bad ones were likely handled by Kennedy's team.
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@@JoeGoesOver I was the target age when it first aired. For me, it was Scooby, but cartoonier, more action and wacky shenanigans.
Do you think that confederate ghost from the now deleted mirror scene knew Shaggy's great great uncle?
Well, if they hold right-wing political rallies in the afterlife, they'll probably get to know each other then.
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Aw man, no Scooby-Doo Show then?
Edit: Oh okay just finished the vid, nevermind.
Yeah, I knew some would rather I'd have started 'The Scooby-Doo Show' first, but as I said, this was a reward for me getting through 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies'.
My next upload will be 'The Scooby-Doo Show'. I promise you. The script is already started and I've already got much of the art prepared.
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@@JoeGoesOver Hey I'm just happy you're covering it at all, it's got some of my favorite episodes. Besides, you deserve to treat yourself after some of the episodes from the last series. Thx for the reply! ^_^
Man TH-cam really does suck.
It could be kinder to creators.
What frustrates me and everyone else doing content is we're usually OBVIOUSLY covered by "Fair Use", but as TH-cam doesn't want to hire people to manually check videos, they automatically rule against the creator no matter what.
Even their "Dispute" option is bot-run, meaning whenever someone wants to fight a copyright claim, they get automatically denied almost every time.
I've seen channels with 1.5 MILLION subscribers treated like that, so I know there's no chance for any appeal on what I do, so when I get a content match, I pretty much have to go back to the drawing board and hope for the best.
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But I Iove a pup named scooby doo. The Scrappy stuff however can definitely stay gone forever.
I know my dislike of 'A Pup Names Scooby-Doo' is at odds with a lot of the Scooby fandom, but I just can't get past the bad animation.
There should be a restraining order that keeps Glen Kennedy 100 yards away from pencils.
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I am the kind of person who think bad animation can be escused if there is good writing, characters commedy ecc. I always think the storytelling is more important then the visuals wich are still important mind you.
I can't really speak for pup specifically since I have only saw something like two or three episodes, i am currently going trought the whole franchise so I would eventually got there and I could give a better opinion. I am currently on the second episode of the third season of tje Scooby Doo show. Scrappy is danguerously approaching...
I know the animation wasn't everyone's cup and tea but it was still leagues over Be Cool Scooby Doo. That show look like it belonged in a Seth McFarland cartoon.
Simone and Lena are my favorite Scooby-Doo villains 🦹♀️ 🦹♀️. I just love me some horror women 🧛♀️ 🧟♀️. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰.
Not to mention for 200 year-old cat demons, they had nice figures!
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@@JoeGoesOverYou're welcome!
Moonscar was actually barrier much farther down but his grave was clearly dug up by the cop Gardner
The root Shaggy pulls on that ends up revealing Moonscar's bones is no more than two feet underground. That sounds like it should be enough, but it's still very shallow and a determined scavenger would have little trouble digging up a meal.
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@@JoeGoesOver true. Keep up the good work I enjoy your videos
The only annoying thing is Return to Zombie Island made that agitating 'Retcon'
I was camping this weekend and hadn’t seen zombie island yet so that’s why there’s a delay
Nevertheless
Space Kook 5.0
Green Ghosts 4.3
Captain Cutler 4.3
Ghost Clown 4.2
Snow Ghost 4.0
Ghost of the Red Baron 4.0
Spirit of Fireball McPhan 4.0
Wax Phantom 3.8
Simone and Lena 3.7
Green Globs 3.7
Shark Men 3.3
Mr. Hyde etc. 3.3
Headless Spector 3.2
Witch and Zombie 3.2
Scarecrow 3.2
Caveman 3.0
Werewolf 3.0
Paul Revere, Minuteman, and Redcoat Ghost 3.0
Charlie the Robot 3.0
Captain Moody’s Ghosts 2.8
Ghost of Mr. Hyde 2.8
Haunted Horseman and Moat Monster 2.8
Gunslinger and Native American Chief 2.7
Viking and Davy Crockett 2.7
Hooded Ghosts 2.7
Ghost of Redbeard 2.5
Witch Doctor 2.5
Miner 49er 2.5
Abdullah and Jadal 2.5
Puppet Master 2.5
Mummy of Ankha 2.3
Phantom 2.3
Ghostly Strongman 2.3
Ghost of Elias Kingston 2.3
Black Knight 2.2
Big Bob Oakley’s monsters 2.2
Ghost of redbeard II 2.2
Gargoyle/phantoms 2.0
Ghost of Bigfoot 2.0
Skeleton man 1.8
Ghost of Captain Scavenger and I______ Joe 1.8
Zen Tuo 1.8
Chumley’s monsters 1.8
Windmakers 1.7
Joker Penguin and hooded man 1.7
Dryad and Troll 1.5
Fake housekeepers 1.5
Creeper 1.5
Indian witch doctor 1.3
Phony phantom 1.0
And of corse f*cking Carl the stuntman
Ape man 1.0
Oooohhhh christmas came early
I am a jolly fat guy, so... appropriate?
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@@JoeGoesOver always i keep rewatching these cause i love your take on scooby doo diving deep into the villains motivations and design
So the curse is kind of like the cat friendly version of the creatures from Sleepwalkers. The cat killing, feeding on beautiful girls and gross relationship would have been too much for kids.
If only the Scooby Renaissance came in the 1980s.
With "children's" films like 'Return to Oz', who knows how dark 'Zombie Island' could have become with that mindset?
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I won't have given them that high a score. They didn't want the immortality they just wanted to get rid of the pirate. They did this to keep something that they did not ask for pointless
But the movie is great
It's easy to say they should have stopped at killing the pirates, but who knows how we'd all react when presented with the real possibility of actual immortality.
It's like how lottery winners often go crazy with their money and end up bankrupt. Most of us read stories like that and swear that WE'D never be that dumb, but until you're sitting on $200 million after a lifetime of poverty, who can say?
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I bet in some alternate universe the scooby gang got drain of there life force for these cat monsters
Even if the werecats did proceed to successfully kill the gang and Bo and a investigation for Bo take place and swat or polices go to the island and investigate Bo disappearence that's more souls for the werecats to drain like when they were in hiding and drained soldiers, spice traders etc and from the zombies ressurecting their bodies were buried deep in the ground and bayou so no alligators would have their bodies to feast.
At some point, though, if the government loses enough agents on the mysterious island, they will go in with their big guns.
If nothing else, the U.S. Navy could bombard Moonscar Island from a mile away and completely eradicate whatever is there killing people.
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@@JoeGoesOver Well I don't think such drastic measures like that would happen lol and like you said in your video Simone and Lena are smart and won't leave evidence behind of their victims and nobody would suspect Simone and Lena of being up to no good as they come off nice and very welcoming someone did a video about Simone and Lena and how they even have soldiers as their victims but anyway great content!
I enjoy Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island.
Did real criminals got away with their crimes wen the gang were not going out looking for myseries?
Sometimes you have to wonder just what law enforcement is doing in the Scooby-Dooniverse.
It's like how almost literally every criminal on Perry Mason was innocent.
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Or as I call them the goats
The Scooby Renaissance films definitely hold a place in my heart, that's for certain!
G-g-g-g-g...GOATS? Zoinks!
@@lonedragon3261 lol 😂
Combine real zombies with some things leftover from *Swat Kats* plus one character that resembles a precursor to *He-Man* 2002 (and voiced by him) and that's it.
He'll always be Leonardo to me!
Made me sad to hear you say pup was the low point…..it’s my favorite series
I love it too
I know it's the favorite for a lot of people, but the bad animation was always a deal breaker for me.
My least favorite episodes of 'Tiny Toon Adventures' were the ones animated by Kennedy Cartoons and they did 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'. There was just something about the way they drew cartoon characters that just makes my eyeballs squeeze into a quantum singularity of cringe.
Why did you re-upload this
TH-cam kept demonetizing it over and over again hours after it passed the copyright match.
This has happened before, but I've never been hit with a content match HOURS after the upload before.
Very frustrating.
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While I agree that the period after the Scooby Doo Show was one of/the lowest point in Scooby Doo history and A pup named Scooby Doo being one of those low points due to the "let's make everyone kids "trope (even if the series was decent and with a catchy intro) ,I disagree about the red shirt Shaggy movies being one of the low points .The movies had some controversial things like the red shirt or the fact that those 3 movies were focused on Shaggy ,Scooby and Scrappy (which is actually tolerable in the movies)while the rest of the gang weren't even mentioned ,but it's pretty clear that those movies left a deep mark in the fandom ,especially Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School.
I haven't ruled out revisiting the Red Shirt Shaggy films in my analyses, so it's always possible my opinion may have changed from when I was a kid, but overall I was never fond of that period in the Scooby-Dooniverse.
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But…the monsters were real before Zombie Island. 13 Ghosts in particular is an entire series of real mobsters. But…I’m sure everyone reading these comments knows that.
Advertising firms aren't exactly known for respecting history.
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Honestly I do feel bad for simone and Leena they did lose alot of what they love and like most people turned to their God for help it just came down to this their way of life was interrupted by a new form ( moonscar pirates ) of life I don't Condone what they did but I mean they did ask for it it's how they got revenge I don't think they had a certain way it could of played out maybe they didn't expect to turn to cat creatures but it's what their God gave them
Admittedly, like many villains born from trauma, they are sympathetic.
However, the line between sympathy and revulsion must eventually be drawn, specifically when the villain crosses the point of no return.
Potentially murdering thousands of people for a selfish need for immortality clearly meets that standard in my opinion.
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I theorize the Curse Cat folk weren't completely obliterated and more of having the immortality and souls forcibly taken to the Cat God's Domain, wherever that place is in our mythology?! The Cat God has 3 reclaimed slaves and was tired of the sacrifices the cult used so it presumably planned his own cult's demise for whatever reason we simply CANNOT comprehend. Have fun sleeping with another WH40k horror idea!
Frankly, your take would have been a much better way to revisit 'Zombie Island' than what we got a couple of years ago.
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I enjoyed Scooby Doo on Zombie Island since I was little, and Scooby Doo is one of my favorite characters, looking back on it now, I looked it up, it seems to involve Paganism which is holding religious beliefs other than those of the main or recognized religions, that nature is sacred and that natural cycles of birth, growth, and death observed in the world around in the world around us carry spiritual meanings, or those who still believe and worship false gods, and cats have a part in it, and there's no doubt about it that Simone and Lena and their follow settlers may be Pagans, it could be possible that they may have move from somewhere in Europe to Moonscar Island in Louisiana to escape persecution as Paganism has always been looked down upon by Christian culture and society, and Pagan persecution goes back to the late Roman Empire when Christianity become it's main religion, and Christian leaders made it their goal to do away with Paganism, the movie did foreshadowed that Simone, Lena, and Jacque were the true villains and the twist caught me off guard even to this day and was done well, the foreshadowing and twist was also done well with Ben Ravencroft from The Witch's Ghost, and Bill from Cyberchase, I didn't think Scrappy Doo was bad, cocky, and overconfident true, but he still had some fans, and if it weren't for him the Scooby series would have been dead, I do get negative reception he got, and where the haters are coming from, but they could have done more and better with him, there are pros and cons to a character, I didn't like that they made him the main villain of the first live action Scooby Doo movie, they should have kept the idea of Old Man Smithers aka the Luna Ghost as the villain wanting revenge, I enjoyed A Pup named Scooby Doo, it did brought the series back to it's roots, and explored the gang's younger years, I think that Young Fred blaming Red Herring when it wasn't him was supposed to be a gag even though he did took his aunt's motorcycle one time and for a good reason too, as he got her a side car to help her with her groceries showing that he's not a completed bad person who just loves his aunt, despite being a bully to Fred and the gang.
I believe I touched on the aspects of their paganism in my other 'Zombie Island' video (the one where I added up all the murders committed by Simone and Lena over the years).
A good argument could be made that Scrappy did save the series, but personally, as one who grew up at the time and was the target audience, I never liked him. Even as a kid.
So for me, it's not like how people my age pretend they hated Ewoks back in 1983 when pretty much all of us at the time still bought Wicket action figures.
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You are welcome.