PCR: Fairbairn's object relations theory in the clinical setting by David P. Celani
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- A wonderful starting point to both understand and use the psychoanalytic model developed by the scottish psychoanalyst and Psychiatrist William Ronald Fairnbairn.
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Celani has some great work on Fairbairn's theories. Basically the only one who seems to be dedicating his work on Fairbairn's model.
I full heartedly agree with you
Yesterday I happened onto a simplification of Fairbairn's 6 ego positions. After listening to that video, this presentation is a more complete interpretation of Fairbairn's ego perspectives and his therapy goals. I've saved this video for reference. thanks!
Thank you for your feedback. Fairbairn ideas aren't necessarily easy to understand or to explain glad this video was of interest/help to you !
Fairnbairns theory of obsession sounds extremely interesting.
Thank you for sharing :)
Glad you enjoyed it! However I forgot to mention it but the obsessive 'mentality' is described by Celani using Fairnbairn metapsychology. For Fairnbairn this Obsessive mentality would have been called the schizoid personality. Sorry for the lack of precision in the video
Celani has a freely available paper online ; A Structural Analysis of the Obsessional Character: A Fairbairnian Perspective
@@Nobody-Nowhere thank you for your comment. I absolutely have to read it 😃
I think it's called the Libidinal Ego.
I haven't heard this specific concept of "moral narcissism" used in the way you've described it here, but it's brilliant. It is indeed a totally immoral or morally degenerate landscape, with impossible to understand rules. It leaves you (my experience of it) constantly on eggshells, constantly on thin ice, never knowing what will set them off. Your own personal conscience, authenticity, sense of right/wrong is totally repressed, and you try to navigate a morally inexplicable terrain. Objectively, it's no longer about being good or moral in the true sense of that word, and it's about being their version of good - obedient, submissive, quiet, without needs or demands, without feelings or expressions, etc. - rooted in survival or self-protection from further harm. It's similar in atmoshpere to tyrannical regimes, where normal essential human morality is negated, and everyone is subject to the caprices of the tyrant.
Thanks for your comment I think you have explained and expanded the idea in great detail thank you !
thanks for this.. i have loved celani for years
Thank you for watching my video. I love Celani as well in my opinion he is one of the best educators on Fairbairn's ideas and his books gave me the 'tools' to better understand Fairbairn.
Excellent work 👌 it’s an excellent model. Especially when we consider how the lives of people who this fits with, play out.
Thank you very much!
Have you watched Baby Reindeer? Richard Gadd fits this perfectly… “Echoism”
If you have watched it. Here’s my thoughts 💭 One thing tho amazes me, no one has picked up on Gadds own disorder. Which in fairness I do think he has tried to get across, but the media have missed it. Actually mostly everyone has missed it. Richard appears to have a disorder called “Echoism”… a disorder which compelled him to forgoes how he really feels about things. Inc sexuality & living out the abuse was his way of getting any satisfaction out of life. His natural position is be submissive. That includes being submissive to those who will abuse others, even carrying out their abuses in an effort to not be seen for who he really is. An echoist will reject the “true” self & the “false” self. This pushes them out of a central ego position, meaning two polar opposite’s in both rejection & excitement. (Fairburn object relations & attachment types) It’s a constant battle between the ego states. Due to his inabilities to defend boundaries, & the constancy in his actions towards others abuse, or abuse to others in fear of being seen. Has led him to a position where he repeats these patterns with repetitive compulsion. In an effort to both excuse his actions of “allowing” the abuse & the actions of his abusers. This is the less painful option for him, rather than “voice” his true self. Echoism is inverted narcissism. They will be preoccupied with not looking narcissistic. Preoccupied with keeping hidden, much like a person with NPD. This is an object relations issue. He doesn’t feel “whole” in the sense that he can’t separate himself from others. See the good and bad in them, see them as whole, him as whole and accept their and his flaws & make sensible choices for him and them. I guarantee you, if you watch it again with this in mind. You’ll see Gadd in a totally different light.
as far as I’m aware he’s not diagnosed. But he obviously admits to having mental health issues. What that is, I’m not sure. I do though think he tells his story, I think he’s acknowledging it tbh. It’s been missed by mostly everyone.
Regards the comedy. When we consider his incompetence in organising his shows etc. He was accepting of his position. Being less than, being ignored, not laughed at or even having the tv on, with no control over it could make him change his pattern. Until Darrian turned up. The rush he got from the interaction & the possibility of a “quick fix” to his own lack of ability to be effective. Was so attractive for him, his “need” to finally have a way to escape himself. He “allowed” the abuse in its worst form. Not only did he allow it, he became addicted to both it & the drugs. This is repetitive compulsion. He thought he was escaping, when in fact he doubled down & went deeper into his own psyche than he ever did before (think of scene where he ignores his partner & repeatedly engages in contact. At that point it was self harm. So yes, this is my own supposition. However, if we consider the opposing beliefs within his psyche (libidinal & anti-libidinal ego) his need for the exciting object, & rejection of the self, done by surpressing his anger, hatred, contempt & then compounding his issues with compulsive repetition. Is so over powering, that even if neglected, will cause him to “need” it more. Fairburns Moral defence of bad objects.
then if we think about how he worked his way back to Martha. How he fantasised over her, did sexual acts over her picture etc. His obsession with listening to her voicemails, the attention was overwhelming for him. Not in repulsive ways, but in a way he actually describes himself as being his “need” how compelling it was for him. Fairburns theory of obsession. It’s a state of purgatory 😮
@@ClusterBombed01 this is a great and in-depth analysis thank you so much for taking the time to write it down and go into so much detail. I have watched the show yet but your analysis seems excellent and you drew my attention to echoism which I didn't know about so thank about that. So would it be fair to say that echoists are 'closet narcissists' or is that to much of a simplification ? Anyway thanks again and have a great day/night.
@@talkingpsychology it’s an inverted narcissistic personality. Full of empathy, love and desire for connection. But as you so eloquently described. The constancy in anti libidinal ego has left them “comfortable” in this state. Unable to get out of it & prone to repetitive patterns of very destructive behaviour. It’s codependency on steroids, with the proclivity to punish oneself as they believe they’re deserving of it. There’s also a masochistic element, the repressive anger, hatred, contempt for the rejecting object & oneself for not being able to voice their own thoughts and feelings. It leads to repeated abusers and abusing situations. Even abusing others, at the behest of their rejecting object. In order to make believe they’re a loving object. Thank you 🙏 such kind words. I do think I’ve a few details wrong. I’d be happy for you to let me know what you think. You’ll find the show absolutely fascinating. Nobody is talking about Richard Gadd, the main character. Only his stalker.. 🤯
@@ClusterBombed01 thank you for this thorough explanation of the echoist personnality it is very interesting indeed and I will try and investigate it at some point. Also I think people are more fascinated with the perpetrator rather than the abused it the same phenomenon when there is a violent crime. I guess many humans are drawn to fascination when it comes to transgression and the breaking of societal taboos. Anyway thanks again!
@@talkingpsychology yes I also believe it also suits society to have codependent and echoistic people. I often wonder if it’s because psychology has often focused in areas of personality disorder, as it caused issues amongst high flying society. Thus trying to remove what they don’t want people to see. Keeping the status quo so to speak. Money has always been a motivator in new and emerging therapies. This is in no way a slight on the psychiatry field, more an observation of how things emerge. Due to the funding structures & where they ultimately come from, which is industry and governmental bodies. Each with a high percentage of high achievers, ruthless and cut throat people. In opposition to that are the people that suffer their abuse. Especially in work & professional environments. Where you’re just a number and sadly treated like so. Just a postulation 🤔