Appreciate the thoughts on staying natural and taking a firm stance against drugs. We'll all need to do much more to make a difference considering how many young guys are jumping on gear or TRT without being remotely aware of the consequences.
This is one of his best appearances on another channel. You asked great answers, provided equally valid points. I thoroughly enjoyed this as I have been watching your channels for quite some time and found them around the same time as well.
Lots of great stuff here, I personally don’t watch NH on a regular basis but I must say his knowledge of programming is insane. I kind of wrote him off bc his actual training isn’t very applicable to myself (there’s no way I could recover lifting like he does 6 times a week) but his knowledge of lifting is very deep indeed.
Finally getting around to this, I have not watched much of NH so this is incredibly interesting. 50 minutes in and I am quite curious to check out some of his videos. Stellar job Abel, as usual.
I really needed this. Been making videos with a similar motivation, just as an outlet. All of a sudden everyone seems to want to give me advice about my upload schedule and thumbnails and using shorts, etc. Just going to focus on doing it the right way, just record and share, don't worry about the editing and marketing and BS.
I enjoyed every second of this. I think the two of you share a lot of similarities in the type of audience you attract. Really intelligent, humble guys and it's been a pleasure watching countless of your videos. Great questions as always Abel and NH gave a lot of thought provoking answers. Please do a part 2!
Great interview, man. I find this blackpill/white pill stuff very interesting. I think this recent fight against the black pull is pushing too far towards naive optimism, creating unrealistic expectations, and thus setting people up for disappointment and disillusionment. I don't think it's a good way to build self-esteem or good lifting habits. Hearing you guys talk about it gave me some good counterarguments to consider.
Wholesale facts. I cannot enjoy a concise, ‘do-this for growth’ or ‘here’s five quick facts’ style video. It repels me. The sprawling, meandering nature of NH’s content is right where I land. Thank you for another exceptional dialogue SSD!
NH is really quickly becoming my favorite fitness youtuber....scratch that, he's my favorite TH-camr period he is honest, minimalist, wise and doesn't sell out, you can tell he is a genuine person
Two very intelligent men. Looking forward to this chat. I’m a fan boy Abel 😂. So that’s one. The fan boys I really can’t stand are the Greg Doucette club. I find that baffling. I’ve posted quite a few negative comments on his channel and you should see the ridiculous responses coming to his defence.
That was very enjoyable and interesting. I especially liked your take on the IQ stuff and the periodization psychology. Two really bright minds who I would love to see more often in one podcast 😀👍
Love the part of fanboys, i just discover your channel like 3 days ago. So far I like it but is as you say, you tend to present ideas like, well you have to think and understand the basics instead of saying this is the true, so that kill the fanboysing
Regarding the limits part, think of it as a perpetual newbie gauging RIR. I agree with NH here because there is no psychological sense with which we can gauge against what measure we are pushing ourselves. You only get the sense that it gets harder but thats about it. It happens with nearly every skill you can think of. There are supposedly biologically stamped phenomena/abilities you are never supposed to make improvement in until there is some researcher/anecdotal evidence to push against that perception. Pitch recognition being one, now we know its perfectly possible to get a nearly identical to "percect pitch" pitch recognition with some training. And like this, there are a Myriad of other scenarios/endeavours. Yes, how fast/far you progress will always take your genetic predispositions into account but even then epigenetics can and often do workaound these limitations to some extent. There will always be a hard cap at some point but its extremely unlikely the average person will ever reach it before old age makes you decline.
1:19:00 bruh this is me with calf raises. every time I try to do them with a decent rep range for multiple sets on 1 day like all my other muscles... I get horrible doms and think "fuck that" so I started to do 1 set every work out, with that same rep range... and it's working.
People not believing NH is natural is kind of crazy… he says 6ft2in @210 lbs. Visually, I’d estimate him to be no leaner than 16% body fat in recent content. That puts him at FFMI of around 22. That’s unquestionably achievable naturally, for most people actually, if they learn how to train hard
I don't think either of you described double progression correctly. It means you have two ways of progressing: either by adding weight or adding reps. It's the same as NH's evolving rep range concept, because you progress in reps as long as you're within the range, but you progress in weight any time you reach the top end of the rep range. The increase in weight should put you back in the low end of the rep range and you focus on adding reps again and so on.
Mindset is so important. Approaching lifting with an idea of a limit will limit someone. It’s sad seeing people hold themselves back. The brain and it’s chemistry cannot be separated from the body.
it took 2,5 years until someone explained to NH that his evolving reps/sets is just variation of double/triple progression, however i'm pretty sure he to this day treats it same way i.e. "its different from what others talk about and it wasn't explained before i did it" instead of just saying "here is my version of double progression and my reasoning behind it" also this IQ take is as confident as it is stupid, however there is still no video of NH about IQ or twin studies as of implications of the fact, that IQ is 90% genetics, consider less redistribution of wealth within the country and between countries, from wealthy to poor, from whites to blacks, from west to africa etc you yourself could come up with hundreds of implications if you actually accepted this fact
haha I should do a vid where I talk about this amongst other things, but it is kinda similar to double progression, Sean N....not sure what his name is, has a good video on that.
It's basically the same, NH doesn't seem to realize what double progression is. But as he said, the main difference with evolving rep ranges is that you'll use the same weight for all sets instead of increasing weight in some sets but not other like you would do with DDP
@@Spike00773 yep, he did mention that, but I think with some iterations of double progression you also do that. So it would be like, for example: 8-12 reps, 3 sets on the bench Week 1: 80 kgs x 11, 9,7 Week 2: 80 kgs x 12, 9,7 Week 3: 80 kgs x 12, 10,7 Week 4: 80 kgs x 12,10,8 --> now you can increase the weight. I'm pretty sure double progression is often applied this way by many.
@@ssdabel @spike From my understanding, a STANDARD DP would not have you increase the weight until ALL sets hit top of rep range. I.e. 12-12-12 then increase. DDP would be variable, where each set operates on it's own spectrum. If ONE SET hits 12 reps, then you increase weight. So it could be like: 80 x 12-10-8 (so next week you would increase to 85 for the FIRST set, but leave the subsequent sets at 80). It seems NH approach is like a hybrid, where you would increase ALL sets, once ONE SET hits the top of the rep range.
I followed this guy for a while but I can’t really get past the fact that he doesn’t have any citations for any of his theories. His entire approach to training seem to be based on speculation and his own logical conclusions that lack arguments. Sure, it obviously works well for him - he’s got an impressive physique. But many things work for many people for a variety of reasons, eg. good genes etc. Doesn’t mean it’s appropriate advice for the majority of people which is is why scientific research is useful
From his videos to me it's clear that he at least learned from people who are rather scientific in their thinking, or he is familiar with the scientific consensus on most topics. Either way, I think if there is additional input he could benefit from would be to work with more people and see what others respond well to -much more so than being more familiar with the literature. I think this generally applies to everyone.
It’s all speculation and anecdote delivered in rambling, disjointed diatribes as if to be deliberately incoherent. Just look at the numerous comments here from people who still don’t understand how his rep ranges work despite the fact that he has a series of like 15 videos long “explaining” the concept.
These kind of comments always crack me up. Do you honestly expect someone to cite "science" for you anytime they tell you something? If they did so, would you go and look up said article and confirm said conclusion was actually correct and not taken out of context? Would you then look up all the other articles surrounding the topic to make sure this study represents the entire literature and isn't just a one off? Insane. You're not going to be able to figure out everything there is to know by studying scientific articles, this activity is more of an art than a science. There are multiple ways of going about things and even if you did know all the "science" then you're still going to have to do your own experiments because not everyone responds the same way to training. You're better off talking to an experienced coach than someone who only reads research articles and doesn't train hard at all. Sure some research is interesting and useful but with lifting you're better off experimenting with a few ideas, seeing how they work, then adjusting and tweaking from there. If you really want results, get an experienced coach who's trained a lot of clients with good success.
I also think IQ is a poor measurement of inteligence. Is the braini a pattern recognition machine? Well, tecbically yes, but it can do many other things wich are not measured with an IQ test.
Isn't Abel Dutch or Belgian or something? Technically they are from neighbouring countries (NH c'est français) and yet are conversing in a language foreign to both. Now, I know why they are doing it, I am just pointing out the irony.
yep, Hungarian as @SPB SPB mentioned. I'll take those assumptions as a compliment though, I'm a big fan of some of their football players and I like their national teams too haha.
![โรงเรียนดัดสันดาน นักเรียนเถื่อน..!! [โรงเรียนไดเม่]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vRKPeXn4Fl4/mqdefault.jpg)
Not sure what's going to be better, the content or the accents 🙏🏻
hahah - I'll try to add some flavour with mine, it's hard to make it sound as cool as his haha
HAHAHAHAHAHHA where is Abel from???
@@magda386 Hungary as far as I'm aware
@@ashmaypt I saw him using an argentinian soccer shirt in a video like this. But idk
Man, the intersection of both dry humors makes this a really funny podcast
haha thanks bro 💪💪
Elojutub 😂 really appreciative for this collab 🙌 Thanks brothers!
Ello! And thank you!:) hope you enjoy it!
Appreciate the thoughts on staying natural and taking a firm stance against drugs. We'll all need to do much more to make a difference considering how many young guys are jumping on gear or TRT without being remotely aware of the consequences.
This is one of his best appearances on another channel. You asked great answers, provided equally valid points. I thoroughly enjoyed this as I have been watching your channels for quite some time and found them around the same time as well.
very honored to hear, thanks a lot!!:)
Lots of great stuff here, I personally don’t watch NH on a regular basis but I must say his knowledge of programming is insane. I kind of wrote him off bc his actual training isn’t very applicable to myself (there’s no way I could recover lifting like he does 6 times a week) but his knowledge of lifting is very deep indeed.
NH's low edit style is a national treasure lol. Great job asking meaningful questions Abel!
Also, NHs reaction when the cat jumped into frame killed me. “Oh, Kitty” lol.
NH just ripped the black pill apart
haha the blackpill slayer, would be a cool fantasy character name
Wow i LOVED this!!
Need NH to do another interview ASAP!
Finally getting around to this, I have not watched much of NH so this is incredibly interesting. 50 minutes in and I am quite curious to check out some of his videos. Stellar job Abel, as usual.
Epic. Thanks for having NH on, Abel.
my pleasure!
I am seriously grateful 🙏❤️❤️thank you thank You!
thank you!!:)
"It doesn't matter who we are. What matters is our plan." -Bane
"No one cared who i was until i put on the mask" -Bane
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" - Bane
You shouldn't have questioned my authority
-bane
I really needed this. Been making videos with a similar motivation, just as an outlet. All of a sudden everyone seems to want to give me advice about my upload schedule and thumbnails and using shorts, etc. Just going to focus on doing it the right way, just record and share, don't worry about the editing and marketing and BS.
So cool to finally see these two together!
hope you'll like it!:)
Awesome! Thanks for introducing him to me, bro! Definitely will check out his channel! ✌️
Oh this made my sunday, love both contents
thanks so much bro!
Ello Yuchub. Awesome podcast. I never knew about the white pill. I learned something new today. Please invite Brawny King to the podcast next.
glad you enjoyed it! yeah, wasn't familiar with all those pills:)
My missus just walked into the living room, heard NH and said Ello Yuchub 🤣🤣
hahah the hole householdis hooked huh? :D
I enjoyed every second of this. I think the two of you share a lot of similarities in the type of audience you attract. Really intelligent, humble guys and it's been a pleasure watching countless of your videos. Great questions as always Abel and NH gave a lot of thought provoking answers. Please do a part 2!
Thanks so much, I really appreciate the kind words! I think very highly of him so saying we have similarities is a big compliment:)
This is one of the best fitness interviews of all time
ouu thank you! glad you liked it!
Great interview, man. I find this blackpill/white pill stuff very interesting. I think this recent fight against the black pull is pushing too far towards naive optimism, creating unrealistic expectations, and thus setting people up for disappointment and disillusionment. I don't think it's a good way to build self-esteem or good lifting habits. Hearing you guys talk about it gave me some good counterarguments to consider.
Wholesale facts. I cannot enjoy a concise, ‘do-this for growth’ or ‘here’s five quick facts’ style video. It repels me. The sprawling, meandering nature of NH’s content is right where I land. Thank you for another exceptional dialogue SSD!
Always a pleasure to see the red-pilled and based Frenchman make an appearance.
The NH "it doesnt matter who I am" hitted so hard.
NH is really quickly becoming my favorite fitness youtuber....scratch that, he's my favorite TH-camr period he is honest, minimalist, wise and doesn't sell out, you can tell he is a genuine person
Sir Nh is my favourite channel period so this interview is a godsend to get my weekly exposure up
Thanks men. I'll be coming back to this one. Great interview
thank you!
These chats are goldmines
Really love the videos that you both make. Cheers!
thanks so much!
Two very intelligent men. Looking forward to this chat. I’m a fan boy Abel 😂. So that’s one. The fan boys I really can’t stand are the Greg Doucette club. I find that baffling. I’ve posted quite a few negative comments on his channel and you should see the ridiculous responses coming to his defence.
haha thank you brother, you're very much appreciated!:)
That was very enjoyable and interesting. I especially liked your take on the IQ stuff and the periodization psychology. Two really bright minds who I would love to see more often in one podcast 😀👍
🙏🙏 thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!:) hope to get him back soon!
Love the part of fanboys, i just discover your channel like 3 days ago. So far I like it but is as you say, you tend to present ideas like, well you have to think and understand the basics instead of saying this is the true, so that kill the fanboysing
great conversation.
Regarding the limits part, think of it as a perpetual newbie gauging RIR. I agree with NH here because there is no psychological sense with which we can gauge against what measure we are pushing ourselves. You only get the sense that it gets harder but thats about it. It happens with nearly every skill you can think of. There are supposedly biologically stamped phenomena/abilities you are never supposed to make improvement in until there is some researcher/anecdotal evidence to push against that perception. Pitch recognition being one, now we know its perfectly possible to get a nearly identical to "percect pitch" pitch recognition with some training. And like this, there are a Myriad of other scenarios/endeavours. Yes, how fast/far you progress will always take your genetic predispositions into account but even then epigenetics can and often do workaound these limitations to some extent. There will always be a hard cap at some point but its extremely unlikely the average person will ever reach it before old age makes you decline.
oh, dang. it's a long one 👀😁
hell yeeea 😁
This is going to be good!!
I thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you .
I remember seeing NH comment on videos I was watching for years. I started watching a few months ago because I recognized that same profile pic.
Great discussion but would love this in podcast form. Will you be updating the podcast feed?
yep asap!!
1:19:00 bruh this is me with calf raises. every time I try to do them with a decent rep range for multiple sets on 1 day like all my other muscles... I get horrible doms and think "fuck that"
so I started to do 1 set every work out, with that same rep range... and it's working.
Accurate and interesting questions. Great podcast.
People not believing NH is natural is kind of crazy… he says 6ft2in @210 lbs. Visually, I’d estimate him to be no leaner than 16% body fat in recent content. That puts him at FFMI of around 22. That’s unquestionably achievable naturally, for most people actually, if they learn how to train hard
NH is 6ft bro, but your point still stands
I don't think either of you described double progression correctly. It means you have two ways of progressing: either by adding weight or adding reps. It's the same as NH's evolving rep range concept, because you progress in reps as long as you're within the range, but you progress in weight any time you reach the top end of the rep range. The increase in weight should put you back in the low end of the rep range and you focus on adding reps again and so on.
Dunno how I missed it but it was amazing!
Great chat
Crikey! Not understanding double progression set those red flags a'flapping for me.
How did i missed that one? YT can be weird, sometimes... But it was a matter of time for you both to talk together!
Mindset is so important.
Approaching lifting with an idea of a limit will limit someone. It’s sad seeing people hold themselves back. The brain and it’s chemistry cannot be separated from the body.
NH is great. Learned a lot from the gentleman.
Im a big fan of your show @SSD Abel. But I miss the lower training volume days and borge days.
thank you bro - well, Borge was nice to have around indeed, I do miss him too...:)
Great interview Abel.
Can I recommend interviewing another interesting TH-camr: Fazlifts.
Thank you, I do plan to get him on if he is up to it:)
👍👍👍
it took 2,5 years until someone explained to NH that his evolving reps/sets is just variation of double/triple progression, however i'm pretty sure he to this day treats it same way i.e. "its different from what others talk about and it wasn't explained before i did it" instead of just saying "here is my version of double progression and my reasoning behind it"
also this IQ take is as confident as it is stupid, however there is still no video of NH about IQ or twin studies
as of implications of the fact, that IQ is 90% genetics, consider less redistribution of wealth within the country and between countries, from wealthy to poor, from whites to blacks, from west to africa etc
you yourself could come up with hundreds of implications if you actually accepted this fact
Top vid
Maybe I’m an idiot but I still don’t understand his evolving rep ranges and how they differ from DDP
haha I should do a vid where I talk about this amongst other things, but it is kinda similar to double progression, Sean N....not sure what his name is, has a good video on that.
It's basically the same, NH doesn't seem to realize what double progression is. But as he said, the main difference with evolving rep ranges is that you'll use the same weight for all sets instead of increasing weight in some sets but not other like you would do with DDP
@@Spike00773 yep, he did mention that, but I think with some iterations of double progression you also do that. So it would be like, for example:
8-12 reps, 3 sets on the bench
Week 1: 80 kgs x 11, 9,7
Week 2: 80 kgs x 12, 9,7
Week 3: 80 kgs x 12, 10,7
Week 4: 80 kgs x 12,10,8 --> now you can increase the weight.
I'm pretty sure double progression is often applied this way by many.
@@ssdabel @spike
From my understanding, a STANDARD DP would not have you increase the weight until ALL sets hit top of rep range. I.e. 12-12-12 then increase.
DDP would be variable, where each set operates on it's own spectrum. If ONE SET hits 12 reps, then you increase weight. So it could be like:
80 x 12-10-8 (so next week you would increase to 85 for the FIRST set, but leave the subsequent sets at 80).
It seems NH approach is like a hybrid, where you would increase ALL sets, once ONE SET hits the top of the rep range.
It feels like a NH video but it's not. Let that sink in
I followed this guy for a while but I can’t really get past the fact that he doesn’t have any citations for any of his theories. His entire approach to training seem to be based on speculation and his own logical conclusions that lack arguments. Sure, it obviously works well for him - he’s got an impressive physique. But many things work for many people for a variety of reasons, eg. good genes etc. Doesn’t mean it’s appropriate advice for the majority of people which is is why scientific research is useful
From his videos to me it's clear that he at least learned from people who are rather scientific in their thinking, or he is familiar with the scientific consensus on most topics. Either way, I think if there is additional input he could benefit from would be to work with more people and see what others respond well to -much more so than being more familiar with the literature. I think this generally applies to everyone.
It’s all speculation and anecdote delivered in rambling, disjointed diatribes as if to be deliberately incoherent. Just look at the numerous comments here from people who still don’t understand how his rep ranges work despite the fact that he has a series of like 15 videos long “explaining” the concept.
These kind of comments always crack me up. Do you honestly expect someone to cite "science" for you anytime they tell you something? If they did so, would you go and look up said article and confirm said conclusion was actually correct and not taken out of context? Would you then look up all the other articles surrounding the topic to make sure this study represents the entire literature and isn't just a one off? Insane.
You're not going to be able to figure out everything there is to know by studying scientific articles, this activity is more of an art than a science. There are multiple ways of going about things and even if you did know all the "science" then you're still going to have to do your own experiments because not everyone responds the same way to training. You're better off talking to an experienced coach than someone who only reads research articles and doesn't train hard at all. Sure some research is interesting and useful but with lifting you're better off experimenting with a few ideas, seeing how they work, then adjusting and tweaking from there. If you really want results, get an experienced coach who's trained a lot of clients with good success.
Uh! Kitty!
the long awaited meeting!
Athlean X is my favorite source of advice.
I mean, if I want to learn about body-paints, me too (always liked how he can use his delts as a colouring-book)
He’s my go to for face pull advice.
Jason blaha podcast will be goood you get 1 milion subs after))
NH saying that if 3x5 doesnt work, switch to 3x3-5 lol
If you are maintaning the same rep for 3-4 sets you are not pushinf it hard. 3-5 means that
I also think IQ is a poor measurement of inteligence. Is the braini a pattern recognition machine? Well, tecbically yes, but it can do many other things wich are not measured with an IQ test.
Isn't Abel Dutch or Belgian or something? Technically they are from neighbouring countries (NH c'est français) and yet are conversing in a language foreign to both. Now, I know why they are doing it, I am just pointing out the irony.
Hungarian
yep, Hungarian as @SPB SPB mentioned. I'll take those assumptions as a compliment though, I'm a big fan of some of their football players and I like their national teams too haha.
@@ssdabel Haha, my bad