Luai has gone under the radar for having one of the best years. Carried without Nathan for a lot of the season, had an outstanding Origin series and played awesome in the GF. Losers will still find a way to hate and bring him down.
Jarome has always been a great player and now he has a family life is more settled. He is going to get wests off the bottom of the table and he will be missed at the panthers.
Can't wait to see him at the Tigers next year. Not only because he is a great player but also because with three ex Panthers on the books they should be able to change the culture for the better.
Masons break down of the game is legendary. Freakish. He explains the game in a way where an upcoming coach will find it insightful or a doctor doing a 9-5 and and is a casual fan of the game will learn every podcast. Perfect pair, no ego. Complement each other soo well.
What a year from LEVELS!!! Congratulations to Scope & Mase for a phenomenal season 2. Thank you guys for your consistent effort in bringing us the amazing content week in & week out. THANK YOU!
Let's just appreciate what a dog of a team Penrith are, win or lose they absolutely try and break you mentally and physically, then emotionally. We are honestly witnessing history before our eyes but everyone keeps coming up with reasons why they aren't the best. The coaching staff are absolute chess masters Ivan is on another level he's the ultimate strategist Also the biggest point of the game everyone is missing. Munster knocks on and Fisher Harris just stares at him, not pat on the head or abuse to ruffle him up, big fish new if he gets under munsters skin Munster uses that as fuel and goes on a tear, fish just looked at him stoned cold emotionless and that won the game.
Haters will always hate mate. That's just the way it is. I've been guilty of it myself at times over the years so I get it. We're absolutely witnessing greatness here. Being a Panthers fan just makes it easier to admire it. The fact that we beat such a dominant Melbourne team just solidifies the greatness of what they've done. If we'd had lost this GF the haters would harp on that we weren't that good because we couldn't knock of the best team of the last 20 years in a GF. Well we did, and the haters can't. So f*** em!! 😉
@@bushybill7189 yeah I'm not a Panthers fan mate, I just love rugby league and that GF was one for the purests, casual fans who don't know the game can't appreciate what a war that was on so many levels. It was something else and I'm in admiration of both the storm and the Panthers, it almost reminded me of the early 80s GFs with parra and Bulldogs.
Ivan really showed us how good of a coach he is when he switched up the variation on that double lead shape that they run on the left side knowing that craig would of done video on it all week since they ran it against roosters with a grubber, 2nd with the sharks with a face ball to alomoti, this time storm defend it perfectly but nah panthers had another trick up their sleeves while hitting alomoti then turning around passing out the back, beautiful to watch
5/6 grandfinal wins since 2000 for Panthers. Its a pretty good return 👌 17 years in the wilderness between 03 and 20 but this has been dreamland stuff as a fan.
Ivan screwed up by including May in the centres in which he wasn't a centre at all in that 2020 gf. I reckon he listened to his son too much as May was his best mate, you know how that bullshit ends. There was some uncharacteristic plays by the Panthers in that gf which left me gob smacked by ht. If they would have simply stuck to their normal game plan similar to during the year, this would have been the Panthers 5th in a row. But hey, 4 in a row?, yea we'll take it.
@youchwb6005 Agree, I think Tyrone was below average and I am glad to see both out of the club. Both of them off the feild just seem to be total losers that bring the rest down. The way Taylan blew up his career at the start of this season was baffling. You have literally a golden chance to be part of history, gets a new contract and went off the rails as quick as he possibly could. Alamoti seems to have his head screwed on properly and he has made that spot his own since! Been really impressive!
@@AzzaT90 May was becoming a good 5/8 or lock. Just as well Penrith from that point had a no dik-head policy. Sadly the other May lad has screwed his life up, and I doubt anyone in the NRL will touch him. Probably will head off to super-league.
Once again Horo trying to undermine Penriths achievements. What a drop kick fool!!! It's obvious Penrith the Storm cheated 2 premierships. What a true idiot!
massive thanks for the season lads. levels has been my weekly double dose of nrl outside of games. love everything you guys are doing. cheers cheers and cheers
I actually think Erin Clark really deserves his spot for the kiwi's. His game has developed and changed so much since he started as a halfback and he can almost have that Spencer Lenui effect if they play him off the bench for shorter minutes. He's a really impactful player and super versatile because of his ball playing ability
@@countrytodd4614 Well said but if that's the case Glen Lazarus won premierships for Canberra, Broncos and the Storm in every case it was the clubs first premiership. He's actually very similar to fish in the sense that there wasn't anything flashy about them but they lead from the front in attack and defence, come with me and I'll show you how to win type of player that team mates lifted for because of their fearlessness and relentless desire to overcome their opponents.
He a beast but prob a future hall of famer but sorry you gotta be a different level to be immortal. Hope the best for him tho cos I love the way he plays. See how he goes for the nxt cpl seasons now he won't have the same team around him.
Robson is so underrated by the fans, he was NSWs best player in Origin 1 and was huge in em winning the series. Makes the Cows a much better side too. An Australian call up should’ve been expected
The way Horo explained Koori knockout backstory was awesome, cut a better promo than The Rock with that awesome storyline of two sides growing up together and then settling it on the field.
the thing that impresses me somuch about the panthers is their ability to play flashy and expansive but then grind it out and then go beast mode they can switch it up whatevr it take theyre prepared to do it and can execute for long sustained periods at an elite level no one can hang with them
Regarding New Zealand possible immortals Sonny Bill should be an immortal. I don’t care He didn’t play many years in the NRL. He won a comp as a rookie and then came back and won AGAIN after being one of the best in the world in the other code. He also won the World Cup if I’m not mistaken! Otherwise James Fisher Harris could get into the discussion with taking Warriors to a big finals run in the coming years, or captains NZ to World Cup glory… Thoughts gents?
Better coaching at Penrith. Had issues with catching play 5 kicks everytime they played Storm and their tall boys. They caught Bellyache out with letting storm catch and smothering their wingers. Then Alimoti caught that massive one at the end. Phenomenal machine are the Panthers.
for the immortals question, the answer is simple. We have Australian immortals, nzrl can organize there own immortals and the and england can do the same.
Immortals was started by rugby league week magazine, it really wasn't all that important at the time, it was a promotion, same as the dally m it was a newspaper award. The poms have a RL hall of fame.
this is the highlight of the week as always🔥🔥 how good was the 2024 season. Just lightly you boys added some fantastic content during every week of each round and we all appreciate you boys. Thoughts on this: 2025 levels road trip, you mase and lukey can do some live shows across the nation with fans in attendance and then at each stop a golf day is included. Love your work always legends. Enjoy the time you both get off this offseason, thank you for all the great content week in and out. ❤
Obviously way more factors to consider but it’s crazy to look at the probability of winning 4 in a row - 2 years with 16 teams, 2 years with 17 teams. Comes out at a 1 in 73,984 chance 🤯
Hey boys I know the golf day spots are limited, but what about a spot for the ' levels follower of the year" . Best comment or question. Consider this my question for next yrs spot..... keep up the great stuff
Hey boys, love the poddy. Benji is the closest to an immortal for the kiwi’s, he changed an entire generation of footballers. The only team that I think that could beat the Panthers is the Maroons team from 2008-2014.
how is james fisher Harris not being considered as an immortal? he's a 4 time premiership winner and a major reason for it, and a golden boot winner. if he wins a comp with the wahs and a world cup hes a lock for nz first immortal
I’m a storm supporter, there’s all this “ref this, ref that nonsense” I was at the game, panthers looked and felt like they ran hard and tackled harder. They where the best team on the night and that’s what it’s about, Storm where the best team all year but panthers where the best team on the most important night.
@@davidcarroll6222 I think the options where fine but our kick chase was terrible Katoa is one of the best forwards at contesting the high ball, in the first half there’s a 5th tackle kick and he literally walks he is 20-30m behind the ball and Edward’s makes a half break exactly where he would have been and that pretty much sums up the entire night
Storm made the same mistake Brisbane made. They got ahead and wanted to try play the grind game with Panthers. Nobody grinds better. They burnt out their own attack by gravitating toward the hitup gameplan. Hitups for 80 = no points.
@@SlaintheMhath I'm honestly perplexed that they didn't move the ball like they did so beautifully the week before. I still am puzzled. The conditions were dry.
LESGO PANTHERS 🎉🎉🎉🎉 storm this year was the team to beat, they cleared the table pretty well , felt the fall in 2020 that feeling is long gone now 4 PEAT CHEEEHHHOOOOOO
Crackin boys! L1/Day1 here and love what you guys are doing and how this whole thing has evolved since you kicked off fresh. Just wanted to float something which is probably more in the realm of Rando's space (when it comes to certain stats) or whoever does the Netflix doco for Panthers dynasty. But would love to see some off season stuff from content creators that really takes a deep look or discussion on the past few years for these penrith boys and how the league has evolved and shaped not only with them but from them. Notable things that really shape what has happened with these boys are 1. A hatred for Luai not only for his game tactics but how so many 6's were more highly touted than him especially when it came to origin selections and how for numerous reasons hes silenced critics taking the 7 jumper in 24, leaving to play in 7. Being in Cleary's shadow more so due to game plan/game management and staying left and right side of the ruck respectively almost up until 2023 finals.2. The injuries that were prominent during this era edwards foot 2021*? GF, Laui shoulder 23 GF, Cleary MCL in the first minutes of 23 GF, Cleary Sublux ongoing and reinjury r24, 2024 leading into GF where all media and even yourself Scope said "we hoped he'd get injured" or words to that effect whereby I feel maybe you more-so meant hoped it would play a factor in the GF competion. 3. how many feel the Origin legacy is what separates Cleary from other greats but also perhaps how regular Cleary kicking tactics were not implemented under fittler. (Eg kicking for repeat sets pre-short drop-out era) rumours were that fittler didnt like this style of play which was key to panthers try line pressure and dominance jn 21/22. 4. How adapting Yeo's run/v/pass game has made them less predictable and whether we think this is due to the general publics hatred of dominant panther selection esp 7,9,6 in 2021/22 origins or just an adaptation to staying fresh in panthers game plans. 5. How the Winger hits irrespective of the first person to do it have changed the way the game is played and how it considers rest periods for front rowers. This appeared to be far more prominent with panthers, and to be fair tall or short winger argument aside the best team ive seen to do it in recent memory was a combo or Sualii, and Manu, Toupu with an early 24 game and the metres gained. And how this game plan of kick return metres and momentum offer advantages to teams especially in correspondence with repeat arguments by fans about flashy fullbacks being better than Dyl and Teddy because they dont necessarily employ a kicking game and other parts that Drinky, Walsh and Ponga do. (Noting that all teams rely on talent where they have deficiencies and not all 7's and 1's are created equal in team environments. This can possibly also be observed with which teams have Dally M medalists and which dont due to roster management and talent/skill balance in squads. 6. How Mitch Kenny was not regarded highly as he did not possess deception like Api did in a dual hooker season and at times was predictable with attempts in deception and quickly grew to be one of the most reliable in the competition. A hooker than hits like a truck and plays 80 minutes in an era or at the cusp of an era where a 9/14 rotation is praised and deemed necessary following success with Grant/Smith and Melbourne and Grant/Hunt in origin. And is now only just overshadowed by extremely good performances by men such as Reece Robson in recent origin years. How Mitch has not tried to mimic too many recent styles and allowed subtle deception and quickly grew early ball to the correct recipient to dictate his part in a bigger picture. 7. How one of the most calm and measured coaches we have seen will make a decision and not always publicise his reasons but look to seek the greater good. Ivan loses Webster coach of the year 2023??, a tenacious Ciraldo whom is the most sought after NRL asset in 22 and quickly followed by a strike backrower at his peak in Bill Kikau known for charge downs, agression, tip ons, grubbers, lifting low balls off the ground and all round flare for a big fella, and a centre who dreamed to be a 6, leaving what people expected to be a gaping hole in panthers left edge. And still Ivan and his team encourage, and carry a team to a further two victories over teams people could argue were their greatest adversaries. Bunnies were without Latrell due to suspension, and Broncos and Storm had all their fast, flashy and strike weapons in full effect. This could go on for some time. But I hope that in this golden era of our game that some truly in depth discussion talks of the game as a whole and how its being influenced, but also how some of these team efforts have been achieved. Sorry for the chapters boys! Keen for some more content. Theres levels to this stuff!
@@sharkfrenzymma storm for consistency as a club and organisation but Penriths current team for 5 GFs and 4 wins in a row. It's an incredible feat to make a grand final but to win one and 4 in a row is something else. Both teams are levels ahead of the pack because of the way the club as a whole is managed
Hey guys love the show. I was wondering have you guy Heard about the Theory that when panthers beat you in the gf they take everything from you like every team panthers beat in the gf they mis the 8 and sack there coach And do you guys see this happen to Melbourne now
Panthers fan here and that has happened to the other teams they've beat but it won't happen to Melbourne they have lost gfs before bellyahce is to good of a coach and demands excellence from his squad they will be top 4 again next year without a doubt
@@FunnyKueen How do they do it? Look at who the panthers have lost to the cap but the storm just keep their star players and build. How much are Munster, Hughes, Papenhuyzen, Grant worth, would you get change from $5 million, then you got a swag of other stars and they are all staying AND they got Stefano who was offered $900k by wests. How do they do it?
Penrith supporter here. I agree with Justin on the no try. If it had been given a try by Klein I think the bunker would have supported him and based on what I saw during the game it would have been hard to disagree. Surely there needs to be a system where the bunker can in real time provide the broadcasters with the footage on which they base their decision, surely that can't be that hard to do? So proud of my team. Willie is right in that you can't compare era's so I'll just look at the numbers which tell us that Penrith are statistically the best team we've seen for the last 60 odd years. I'm happy with that. Regardless of how the game was played in that era, we should never ever see that Dragons run of 11 premierships in as many years as the best the game has ever seen. Cleary is up the there with Bennett and Bellamy IMO, because while those 2 have admittedly done things that Cleary hasn't, neither of them has got close to what running up 4 in a row, and to be fair are unlikely ever to do so. Thanks for the content this year gents, stellar work by you both. No one talks about footy quite the way that Willie does :) Bring on next year!!
Hey Lads, love the poddy and tuning in every week I have a thought for you. Do you think Panthers losing a couple of players each year could be a blessing in disguise. i know losing Api, kiks, critta and so on would be difficult to replace. but bring in new players who are hungry to win, While keeping some players to drive the culture and standards of the club. I know they would rather keep those players as long as they can, but its something to think about. Keep up the amazing work!!
Willie, your old club and mine Hull KR are in the grand final this coming Saturday, what's your thoughts on this and if you've seen any of the games for this year? And both thoughts on Panthers pulling out of WCC?
Love the chat lads! just on the NSW coaching position. What is your opinion on Boyd Cordiner? I'm certain he would get the respect Willie talks about! Has achieved everything in the game even being cut so short
I've heard about how Slater had changed the role of a fullback and I now think of what Yeo is doing for the Lock role. If the greatest halfback discussion looks busy with the likes of Johns and Thurston and Cronk, the greatest Lock role is looking pretty easy to asign to Yeo hands down. Definitely a future immortal.
Fisher harris and leota four prems , already beaten the Aussies with Fish at skipper. If they keep winning at test level are they a chance at Immortality? Hard to argue against
Big fan xx Reckon ponga will leave Newcastle? And i reckon knights should go after weekes and play him as a dominant 6 cogger at 7 and crossland at 9 and ponga 1 pretty solid spine
Panthers 1st Grade players all have HIGH Footy IQ. It's like they all feel & read the game, then communicate on what each player is feeling & reading, then they pull out the tools they've practiced to get over whatever defense presents. 2024 GF had a Test Match feel, it was like watching a Dragon Ball Super fight.
Isaah Yeo is a freak super fit and such a smart footy player. I don't know why I thought he was a bit of a mudders but that dude is ripped to the bone 😂
Hey boys, thanks for the content all season, particularly the engagement in the comments. Two things; firstly, couldn’t agree more with Scope about the fact that Melbourne couldn’t have done much more, they were too gassed by trying to stay with Penrith. It was evident by the 3-4 times that Melbourne made half a break down the left edge and Munster wanted to play off of it fast and they panned to the wide shot to see the whole Storm line 15-20 metres back which meant Munster either had to swing it all the way back or tuck it in and run. Secondly, interested to know your thoughts about the NSW coaching position and people like Gus saying a club coach could do it like Ivan or Belly. Something that I am surprised hasn’t been mentioned is that a factor stopping this is also the fact that it may mean that the coach overlooks players in their club team that are in contention e.g. Ivan leaving out Luai for the Blues and what that could do for relationships in club land. Can’t remember it being an issue in the past and could be because their used to be “selectors” when there were club coaches, but I think it is something that could cause issues in the modern game where it doesn’t take much to start fractures in a club. Sorry for the long one boys, appreciate it
To’o is part of that big 3, not Edwards. He’s changed how wingers are expected to play and is so crucial to the panthers system. He’s the only outside back they have that doesn’t rack up kick return meters yet routinely breaks 200 every game
Shout out for a great season boys! Next year, gotta do a tour and pop up at least one home game per team with a live poddy or event on the road? LOCK IT IN!
Clubs should be allowed to increase their salary cap by at least 50k for each GF won, enough to add just a minuscule more to current players but not enough to compete with a serious offer from another team. Or even more leeway with 3P sponsorships or what have you. Maybe even have NRL pay for admin staff fees or membership fees. Penrith should be rewarded basically, they've lost too many stars, too many development players, too many coaches, and probably even admin staff as well. 4 out of 5 GFs IN A ROW (not spread out but IN A ROW) should be properly compensated.
OG n scope sheeesh dawgs at breaking down games. Could be wrong but bizza was leading the metres n post contact metres then went off injured at around 58min mark and only got beat by yeo or edwards think Might have to check boys but man, if he had stayed on he could’ve broke 250m and 100m post contact in my opinion
Have you guys seen Mikey Lewis play? What club in nrl would he suit? I think he’s nrl level after winning man of steel and taking Hull KR to their first grand final. His stats are insane
Boys what are your thoughts on the tigers going into 2025 with their signings? The lack of experience in the coaching ranks concerns me as a fan. Brett hodgsons appointment seems like they are getting the boys back together again as opposed to getting the best person for the job?
Hey Levels, Nicho Hynes won the Dally M and was overlooked for the Aussie jumper. No one was jumping around then. He also won it by a mile and nobody was even close to him. Kernick should have been picked, but it’s not the first time. Anyone remember Ben Barba also? Can’t pick em all.
I wouldn’t be too mad if Bizza left. A bunch of those players have achieved a lot at Penrith but I feel like starting fresh at a new club, taking on more of a leadership role and then improving it (like crittas done) would look better on the resume than staying at the top squad and continuing to win. It’s more of a challenge which is why I applaud Luai bc that’s one hell of a challenge to do at the tigers
i was confident penrith would win after they won last year against Broncos which was a miracle, and penrith will not lose 3 times to one team in one year
kiwi players Unavailable: Ronaldo Mulitalo (knee), Dylan Brown (knee), Kieran Foran (ankle), Moses Leota (shoulder), Brandon Smith (knee), Jeremy Marshall-King (knee), Briton Nikora (ankle), Kayal Iro (hamstring), Te Maire Martin (neck), Nelson Asofa-Solomona (suspension), Joseph Manu (rugby union)
NZ dont have a strong side this year, missing Solomona,Leota,Brown,Joseph Manu,Mulitalo, Foran a few that trash ozzie last year I was surprised how comfortable Panthers were i mean Storm didnt do enough to win it. Willie is great to listen to always structure opinion from big Willie
QUESTION FOR THE BOYS: If you could pick a top 17 from the Panthers 5 GF appearances, who would it be? Interesting side note - despite the attrition the Panthers have had over the past 5 years, 7 of their players have started in the same position for all 5 GFs (Edwards, To'o, Luai, Cleary, Fisher-Harris, Martin and Yeo). Honourable mention to Leota who started at prop for the last 4, but was on the bench in 2020.
Talking about immortals, if Samoa won the World Cup, Luai has to be in the mix as well. Luai over Critta with this 4th ring and probably edging out To'o. As for the Kiwis, honorable mentions has to be SBW, Jones, Wiki, Asotasi, Cayless. And with at least 1 GF win, SJ would be undoubtable.
I think their game plan was pretty simple.. take hughes out of the play.. best 7 in the game was restricted all game.. munster doesnt have much of a kicking game, so he wasnt as much of a threat.. then they just jammed up their inexperienced middle edge.. any other team panthers put in 50.. Cleary outcoached the Supercoach
Hey boys! Not sure if yous will see this comment but just in reguards to the talk about bellamy ending the penrith dynasty next year, do you think it wont be as satisfying for him because he wont be ending the 2021-2024 squad? He'll be ending the dynasty of a team with the likes of cleary yeo and edwards, but he will never be able to get revenge on the squad that started it all with the likes of critta luai leniu kikau capewell burto koroisau fisher harris etc? Me personally i feel like next year would be too late to end it in terms of how satisfied he'd feel ending the dynasty because hes basically beating a whole new penrith team, would love to hear your guys thoughts on the next poddy TRIPPLE OG AND HOZZZZ!!!
I’ve said it throughout the year, Mitch Kenny needs to be the 9 for the blues. Dude is a 3x premiership winning hooker and tackles hard. Tailor made for origin.
Someone on reddit said Bellamy’s record isn’t that good in big games. 0 in origin. 2 cheating years with a stacked team. 6 minor premierships that didn’t equal a win in the gf. Wins 2012 and 2017with a stacked team and a weakened comp. 2020 with smith. 2024 another minor premiership with no gf win.
Luai has gone under the radar for having one of the best years. Carried without Nathan for a lot of the season, had an outstanding Origin series and played awesome in the GF. Losers will still find a way to hate and bring him down.
Jarome has always been a great player and now he has a family life is more settled. He is going to get wests off the bottom of the table and he will be missed at the panthers.
Luai has more rings than every other teams 5/8s combined
I guarantee he changes the Tigers 25 szn
Can't wait to see him at the Tigers next year. Not only because he is a great player but also because with three ex Panthers on the books they should be able to change the culture for the better.
Bro i been saying this, hes gone underated his whole career. Tigers will not win a spoon next year thats fact
I thought Mitch Kenny went under the radar. How hard he tackled must have shaken the confidence of the storm players trying to come through the middle
I thought he was epic so staunch in the middle .
Kenny copped a late dog shot in the back and nothing from the ref or match review committee .......
Masons break down of the game is legendary. Freakish.
He explains the game in a way where an upcoming coach will find it insightful or a doctor doing a 9-5 and and is a casual fan of the game will learn every podcast.
Perfect pair, no ego. Complement each other soo well.
What a year from LEVELS!!! Congratulations to Scope & Mase for a phenomenal season 2. Thank you guys for your consistent effort in bringing us the amazing content week in & week out. THANK YOU!
Willie…’go have a rest c&$!…that’s gold 😂😂
Let's just appreciate what a dog of a team Penrith are, win or lose they absolutely try and break you mentally and physically, then emotionally.
We are honestly witnessing history before our eyes but everyone keeps coming up with reasons why they aren't the best.
The coaching staff are absolute chess masters
Ivan is on another level he's the ultimate strategist
Also the biggest point of the game everyone is missing. Munster knocks on and Fisher Harris just stares at him, not pat on the head or abuse to ruffle him up, big fish new if he gets under munsters skin Munster uses that as fuel and goes on a tear, fish just looked at him stoned cold emotionless and that won the game.
Haters will always hate mate. That's just the way it is. I've been guilty of it myself at times over the years so I get it. We're absolutely witnessing greatness here. Being a Panthers fan just makes it easier to admire it. The fact that we beat such a dominant Melbourne team just solidifies the greatness of what they've done. If we'd had lost this GF the haters would harp on that we weren't that good because we couldn't knock of the best team of the last 20 years in a GF. Well we did, and the haters can't. So f*** em!! 😉
@@bushybill7189 yeah I'm not a Panthers fan mate, I just love rugby league and that GF was one for the purests, casual fans who don't know the game can't appreciate what a war that was on so many levels.
It was something else and I'm in admiration of both the storm and the Panthers, it almost reminded me of the early 80s GFs with parra and Bulldogs.
@@jaycee571 Agree 100%. Those 80's GF's were great games. This years GF was a proper war too.
@@bushybill7189 Storm are not the best team of the past 20 years, the panthers have 5 GF wins and the storms have 4 legitimate GF wins.
Ivan really showed us how good of a coach he is when he switched up the variation on that double lead shape that they run on the left side knowing that craig would of done video on it all week since they ran it against roosters with a grubber, 2nd with the sharks with a face ball to alomoti, this time storm defend it perfectly but nah panthers had another trick up their sleeves while hitting alomoti then turning around passing out the back, beautiful to watch
@@AndrewWebster-iu2fh chess master
5/6 grandfinal wins since 2000 for Panthers. Its a pretty good return 👌 17 years in the wilderness between 03 and 20 but this has been dreamland stuff as a fan.
'67 to '90 was a long wait and they lost to a stacked raiders side but got them the next year so it is 6/8 which is 75%.
Ivan screwed up by including May in the centres in which he wasn't a centre at all in that 2020 gf. I reckon he listened to his son too much as May was his best mate, you know how that bullshit ends. There was some uncharacteristic plays by the Panthers in that gf which left me gob smacked by ht. If they would have simply stuck to their normal game plan similar to during the year, this would have been the Panthers 5th in a row. But hey, 4 in a row?, yea we'll take it.
@youchwb6005 Agree, I think Tyrone was below average and I am glad to see both out of the club. Both of them off the feild just seem to be total losers that bring the rest down. The way Taylan blew up his career at the start of this season was baffling. You have literally a golden chance to be part of history, gets a new contract and went off the rails as quick as he possibly could. Alamoti seems to have his head screwed on properly and he has made that spot his own since! Been really impressive!
@@AzzaT90 May was becoming a good 5/8 or lock. Just as well Penrith from that point had a no dik-head policy.
Sadly the other May lad has screwed his life up, and I doubt anyone in the NRL will touch him. Probably will head off to super-league.
Once again Horo trying to undermine Penriths achievements. What a drop kick fool!!! It's obvious Penrith the Storm cheated 2 premierships. What a true idiot!
massive thanks for the season lads. levels has been my weekly double dose of nrl outside of games. love everything you guys are doing. cheers cheers and cheers
I actually think Erin Clark really deserves his spot for the kiwi's. His game has developed and changed so much since he started as a halfback and he can almost have that Spencer Lenui effect if they play him off the bench for shorter minutes. He's a really impactful player and super versatile because of his ball playing ability
49:30 When your Uncle Wiremu sees you outside working hard in the sun.
Hahahahahahahh
If Fish wins a world cup, and takes the Wahs to their first title, he's got to be a massive chance for Immortal
I second that 👍🏼
Imagine that! I'm here for it
I think he has to win a couple WCs and maybe lead the wahs to 2 premierships but he’s definitely NZs best chances at being an immortal
@@countrytodd4614 Well said but if that's the case Glen Lazarus won premierships for Canberra, Broncos and the Storm in every case it was the clubs first premiership. He's actually very similar to fish in the sense that there wasn't anything flashy about them but they lead from the front in attack and defence, come with me and I'll show you how to win type of player that team mates lifted for because of their fearlessness and relentless desire to overcome their opponents.
He a beast but prob a future hall of famer but sorry you gotta be a different level to be immortal. Hope the best for him tho cos I love the way he plays. See how he goes for the nxt cpl seasons now he won't have the same team around him.
Would have loved to see mitch kenny get the nod over either Robson or Ben hunt
He would not let the kangaroos jersey down
Robson is so underrated by the fans, he was NSWs best player in Origin 1 and was huge in em winning the series. Makes the Cows a much better side too. An Australian call up should’ve been expected
@@alightthatnevergoesout there is nothing Robson can do that mitch couldn't...
I agree - Hunts got the experience though and Mal has always been pretty loyal with his picks. I’d take Kenny over Robson though
First time watching boys, great podcast.
The way Horo explained Koori knockout backstory was awesome, cut a better promo than The Rock with that awesome storyline of two sides growing up together and then settling it on the field.
the thing that impresses me somuch about the panthers is their ability to play flashy and expansive but then grind it out and then go beast mode they can switch it up whatevr it take theyre prepared to do it and can execute for long sustained periods at an elite level no one can hang with them
Regarding New Zealand possible immortals Sonny Bill should be an immortal.
I don’t care He didn’t play many years in the NRL. He won a comp as a rookie and then came back and won AGAIN after being one of the best in the world in the other code. He also won the World Cup if I’m not mistaken!
Otherwise James Fisher Harris could get into the discussion with taking Warriors to a big finals run in the coming years, or captains NZ to World Cup glory…
Thoughts gents?
Better coaching at Penrith. Had issues with catching play 5 kicks everytime they played Storm and their tall boys. They caught Bellyache out with letting storm catch and smothering their wingers. Then Alimoti caught that massive one at the end. Phenomenal machine are the Panthers.
You could see the looks on the Faces of Coates and Warbrick. Like that didn't go according to plan. Catch and smash em, brilliant.
Correction. Melbourne storm have only won 4 premierships not 5. Their 2007 was stripped because they were cheating by breeching the salary cap.
07 and 09 were stripped and manly flogged them by a record score in 08.
for the immortals question, the answer is simple. We have Australian immortals, nzrl can organize there own immortals and the and england can do the same.
Immortals was started by rugby league week magazine, it really wasn't all that important at the time, it was a promotion, same as the dally m it was a newspaper award.
The poms have a RL hall of fame.
this is the highlight of the week as always🔥🔥 how good was the 2024 season. Just lightly you boys added some fantastic content during every week of each round and we all appreciate you boys. Thoughts on this: 2025 levels road trip, you mase and lukey can do some live shows across the nation with fans in attendance and then at each stop a golf day is included. Love your work always legends. Enjoy the time you both get off this offseason, thank you for all the great content week in and out. ❤
Hands down the best analysis of the GF I have seen, great show boys.
Obviously way more factors to consider but it’s crazy to look at the probability of winning 4 in a row - 2 years with 16 teams, 2 years with 17 teams. Comes out at a 1 in 73,984 chance 🤯
Panthers spent all their time on one thing - take the oppositions legs out in defence. Can’t win if you can’t feel your legs!!
Hey boys I know the golf day spots are limited, but what about a spot for the ' levels follower of the year" . Best comment or question. Consider this my question for next yrs spot..... keep up the great stuff
Hey boys, love the poddy.
Benji is the closest to an immortal for the kiwi’s, he changed an entire generation of footballers.
The only team that I think that could beat the Panthers is the Maroons team from 2008-2014.
how is james fisher Harris not being considered as an immortal? he's a 4 time premiership winner and a major reason for it, and a golden boot winner. if he wins a comp with the wahs and a world cup hes a lock for nz first immortal
To be fair Yeo can tuck the ball and get the metres in Origin. He proved it this year
I’m a storm supporter, there’s all this “ref this, ref that nonsense”
I was at the game, panthers looked and felt like they ran hard and tackled harder.
They where the best team on the night and that’s what it’s about, Storm where the best team all year but panthers where the best team on the most important night.
Props to you my guy… an honest and a fan with his head screwed on. Finally 👏🏽
What did u think about storms last tackle options in the second half when the game was on the line ..went missing badly IMO
@@davidcarroll6222 I think the options where fine but our kick chase was terrible
Katoa is one of the best forwards at contesting the high ball, in the first half there’s a 5th tackle kick and he literally walks he is 20-30m behind the ball and Edward’s makes a half break exactly where he would have been and that pretty much sums up the entire night
Storm made the same mistake Brisbane made. They got ahead and wanted to try play the grind game with Panthers. Nobody grinds better. They burnt out their own attack by gravitating toward the hitup gameplan. Hitups for 80 = no points.
The only reason Grant scored was because Cleary was being held down after the tackle .....
@@SlaintheMhath I'm honestly perplexed that they didn't move the ball like they did so beautifully the week before. I still am puzzled. The conditions were dry.
LESGO PANTHERS 🎉🎉🎉🎉 storm this year was the team to beat, they cleared the table pretty well , felt the fall in 2020 that feeling is long gone now 4 PEAT CHEEEHHHOOOOOO
Player that went under the radar was Mitch Kenny
He is one of the reasons why Storm kept running towards their edges
You leave my To'o alone!
Crackin boys!
L1/Day1 here and love what you guys are doing and how this whole thing has evolved since you kicked off fresh.
Just wanted to float something which is probably more in the realm of Rando's space (when it comes to certain stats) or whoever does the Netflix doco for Panthers dynasty. But would love to see some off season stuff from content creators that really takes a deep look or discussion on the past few years for these penrith boys and how the league has evolved and shaped not only with them but from them. Notable things that really shape what has happened with these boys are 1. A hatred for Luai not only for his game tactics but how so many 6's were more highly touted than him especially when it came to origin selections and how for numerous reasons hes silenced critics taking the 7 jumper in 24, leaving to play in 7. Being in Cleary's shadow more so due to game plan/game management and staying left and right side of the ruck respectively almost up until 2023 finals.2. The injuries that were prominent during this era edwards foot 2021*? GF, Laui shoulder 23 GF, Cleary MCL in the first minutes of 23 GF, Cleary Sublux ongoing and reinjury r24, 2024 leading into GF where all media and even yourself Scope said "we hoped he'd get injured" or words to that effect whereby I feel maybe you more-so meant hoped it would play a factor in the GF competion. 3. how many feel the Origin legacy is what separates Cleary from other greats but also perhaps how regular Cleary kicking tactics were not implemented under fittler. (Eg kicking for repeat sets pre-short drop-out era) rumours were that fittler didnt like this style of play which was key to panthers try line pressure and dominance jn 21/22. 4. How adapting Yeo's run/v/pass game has made them less predictable and whether we think this is due to the general publics hatred of dominant panther selection esp 7,9,6 in 2021/22 origins or just an adaptation to staying fresh in panthers game plans. 5. How the Winger hits irrespective of the first person to do it have changed the way the game is played and how it considers rest periods for front rowers. This appeared to be far more prominent with panthers, and to be fair tall or short winger argument aside the best team ive seen to do it in recent memory was a combo or Sualii, and Manu, Toupu with an early 24 game and the metres gained. And how this game plan of kick return metres and momentum offer advantages to teams especially in correspondence with repeat arguments by fans about flashy fullbacks being better than Dyl and Teddy because they dont necessarily employ a kicking game and other parts that Drinky, Walsh and Ponga do. (Noting that all teams rely on talent where they have deficiencies and not all 7's and 1's are created equal in team environments. This can possibly also be observed with which teams have Dally M medalists and which dont due to roster management and talent/skill balance in squads. 6. How Mitch Kenny was not regarded highly as he did not possess deception like Api did in a dual hooker season and at times was predictable with attempts in deception and quickly grew to be one of the most reliable in the competition. A hooker than hits like a truck and plays 80 minutes in an era or at the cusp of an era where a 9/14 rotation is praised and deemed necessary following success with Grant/Smith and Melbourne and Grant/Hunt in origin. And is now only just overshadowed by extremely good performances by men such as Reece Robson in recent origin years. How Mitch has not tried to mimic too many recent styles and allowed subtle deception and quickly grew early ball to the correct recipient to dictate his part in a bigger picture. 7. How one of the most calm and measured coaches we have seen will make a decision and not always publicise his reasons but look to seek the greater good. Ivan loses Webster coach of the year 2023??, a tenacious Ciraldo whom is the most sought after NRL asset in 22 and quickly followed by a strike backrower at his peak in Bill Kikau known for charge downs, agression, tip ons, grubbers, lifting low balls off the ground and all round flare for a big fella, and a centre who dreamed to be a 6, leaving what people expected to be a gaping hole in panthers left edge. And still Ivan and his team encourage, and carry a team to a further two victories over teams people could argue were their greatest adversaries. Bunnies were without Latrell due to suspension, and Broncos and Storm had all their fast, flashy and strike weapons in full effect. This could go on for some time. But I hope that in this golden era of our game that some truly in depth discussion talks of the game as a whole and how its being influenced, but also how some of these team efforts have been achieved. Sorry for the chapters boys! Keen for some more content. Theres levels to this stuff!
Since 1999
Storm: 6 premierships 5 runner up
Panthers 5 premierships 1 runner up
Next 5 years will tell who is the best in modern era
@@sharkfrenzymma storm for consistency as a club and organisation but Penriths current team for 5 GFs and 4 wins in a row.
It's an incredible feat to make a grand final but to win one and 4 in a row is something else.
Both teams are levels ahead of the pack because of the way the club as a whole is managed
Melbourne 4 mate, salary cap breach 7 and 9, chooks will be found out to for cheating the salary cap😂😂😂
The great Storms nor Roosters could do 5 GFs in a row, let alone win 4 of them. This Panthers reign is something else.
Hey guys love the show. I was wondering have you guy Heard about the Theory that when panthers beat you in the gf they take everything from you like every team panthers beat in the gf they mis the 8 and sack there coach And do you guys see this happen to Melbourne now
I think storm is not that team, they gonna be favourite for next year. They loosing no one
If Bellamy wasn't a super coach, I'd probably agree.
Panthers fan here and that has happened to the other teams they've beat but it won't happen to Melbourne they have lost gfs before bellyahce is to good of a coach and demands excellence from his squad they will be top 4 again next year without a doubt
Na Melbourne will Bounce back determined
@@FunnyKueen How do they do it?
Look at who the panthers have lost to the cap but the storm just keep their star players and build. How much are Munster, Hughes, Papenhuyzen, Grant worth, would you get change from $5 million, then you got a swag of other stars and they are all staying AND they got Stefano who was offered $900k by wests.
How do they do it?
Thoughts on Liv Kernick situation? And with Liam pulling out off the kangaroos, will kernick take his spot?
Penrith supporter here. I agree with Justin on the no try. If it had been given a try by Klein I think the bunker would have supported him and based on what I saw during the game it would have been hard to disagree. Surely there needs to be a system where the bunker can in real time provide the broadcasters with the footage on which they base their decision, surely that can't be that hard to do? So proud of my team. Willie is right in that you can't compare era's so I'll just look at the numbers which tell us that Penrith are statistically the best team we've seen for the last 60 odd years. I'm happy with that. Regardless of how the game was played in that era, we should never ever see that Dragons run of 11 premierships in as many years as the best the game has ever seen. Cleary is up the there with Bennett and Bellamy IMO, because while those 2 have admittedly done things that Cleary hasn't, neither of them has got close to what running up 4 in a row, and to be fair are unlikely ever to do so. Thanks for the content this year gents, stellar work by you both. No one talks about footy quite the way that Willie does :) Bring on next year!!
Hey Lads, love the poddy and tuning in every week
I have a thought for you. Do you think Panthers losing a couple of players each year could be a blessing in disguise. i know losing Api, kiks, critta and so on would be difficult to replace. but bring in new players who are hungry to win, While keeping some players to drive the culture and standards of the club.
I know they would rather keep those players as long as they can, but its something to think about.
Keep up the amazing work!!
love tha koori knockout! and the podcast!
Willie, your old club and mine Hull KR are in the grand final this coming Saturday, what's your thoughts on this and if you've seen any of the games for this year? And both thoughts on Panthers pulling out of WCC?
We talking bout how good Katoa played even though they lost ? He saved them a try.
Did you gets get any cart cams or some videos of a couple holes ? Sort of like a good good golf concept
Threw in a Bizza rumour again to cap it off 😂. He’s already confirmed he’s not looking to move on.
I hope they're wrong there. My understanding is that he's already the highest paid winger in the game at Penrith. I could be wrong though?
@@bushybill7189he can definitely get more elsewhere though - and he deserves it
@@bushybill7189 he’s on 625k a year… not sure how that compares.
Love the chat lads! just on the NSW coaching position. What is your opinion on Boyd Cordiner? I'm certain he would get the respect Willie talks about! Has achieved everything in the game even being cut so short
Does triple og have a front load washing machine
I've heard about how Slater had changed the role of a fullback and I now think of what Yeo is doing for the Lock role. If the greatest halfback discussion looks busy with the likes of Johns and Thurston and Cronk, the greatest Lock role is looking pretty easy to asign to Yeo hands down. Definitely a future immortal.
Fisher harris and leota four prems , already beaten the Aussies with Fish at skipper. If they keep winning at test level are they a chance at Immortality? Hard to argue against
Big fan xx
Reckon ponga will leave Newcastle? And i reckon knights should go after weekes and play him as a dominant 6 cogger at 7 and crossland at 9 and ponga 1 pretty solid spine
Panthers 1st Grade players all have HIGH Footy IQ.
It's like they all feel & read the game, then communicate on what each player is feeling & reading, then they pull out the tools they've practiced to get over whatever defense presents.
2024 GF had a Test Match feel, it was like watching a Dragon Ball Super fight.
Theres a Pacific league comp on now in NZ the college kids are playing this weekend 😁
Penrith the best team in the modern era. Melbourne defeat prove that.
Isaah Yeo is a freak super fit and such a smart footy player. I don't know why I thought he was a bit of a mudders but that dude is ripped to the bone 😂
Are small fast fullbacks a weakness for a team in tough games when your trying to get out of yardage??
Fucking if I had a dollar for everyone I have heard “trellis looking fit” every year 😂
Hey boys, thanks for the content all season, particularly the engagement in the comments. Two things; firstly, couldn’t agree more with Scope about the fact that Melbourne couldn’t have done much more, they were too gassed by trying to stay with Penrith. It was evident by the 3-4 times that Melbourne made half a break down the left edge and Munster wanted to play off of it fast and they panned to the wide shot to see the whole Storm line 15-20 metres back which meant Munster either had to swing it all the way back or tuck it in and run. Secondly, interested to know your thoughts about the NSW coaching position and people like Gus saying a club coach could do it like Ivan or Belly. Something that I am surprised hasn’t been mentioned is that a factor stopping this is also the fact that it may mean that the coach overlooks players in their club team that are in contention e.g. Ivan leaving out Luai for the Blues and what that could do for relationships in club land. Can’t remember it being an issue in the past and could be because their used to be “selectors” when there were club coaches, but I think it is something that could cause issues in the modern game where it doesn’t take much to start fractures in a club. Sorry for the long one boys, appreciate it
Any thoughts to upgrade the studio for 2025 season pod?
To’o is part of that big 3, not Edwards. He’s changed how wingers are expected to play and is so crucial to the panthers system. He’s the only outside back they have that doesn’t rack up kick return meters yet routinely breaks 200 every game
Wellington Maori vs Wellington Wedgetales are playing here in Wellington NZ this weekend
Shout out for a great season boys! Next year, gotta do a tour and pop up at least one home game per team with a live poddy or event on the road? LOCK IT IN!
Clubs should be allowed to increase their salary cap by at least 50k for each GF won, enough to add just a minuscule more to current players but not enough to compete with a serious offer from another team. Or even more leeway with 3P sponsorships or what have you. Maybe even have NRL pay for admin staff fees or membership fees. Penrith should be rewarded basically, they've lost too many stars, too many development players, too many coaches, and probably even admin staff as well. 4 out of 5 GFs IN A ROW (not spread out but IN A ROW) should be properly compensated.
Ngati NRL the show was called on maori tv. Your Dad was on it. It had Tamou, taumata, Billy Ngawini, Aaron Heremaia, Rapana and heaps of others.
OG n scope sheeesh dawgs at breaking down games. Could be wrong but bizza was leading the metres n post contact metres then went off injured at around 58min mark and only got beat by yeo or edwards think
Might have to check boys but man, if he had stayed on he could’ve broke 250m and 100m post contact in my opinion
Have you guys seen Mikey Lewis play? What club in nrl would he suit? I think he’s nrl level after winning man of steel and taking Hull KR to their first grand final. His stats are insane
Olsen Filipaina should be an immortal
Difference between Lyon and Ponga is that Lyon 'retired' from rep footy where Ponga just made himself unavailable this time around
Boys what are your thoughts on the tigers going into 2025 with their signings? The lack of experience in the coaching ranks concerns me as a fan. Brett hodgsons appointment seems like they are getting the boys back together again as opposed to getting the best person for the job?
Bizza topic went quite cauze he posted on his Instagram he wasn't leaving penrith scope u knew that too stop hating on the Samoa boys
Mitch Kenny for State of Origin Hooker 2025
Hey Levels, Nicho Hynes won the Dally M and was overlooked for the Aussie jumper. No one was jumping around then. He also won it by a mile and nobody was even close to him. Kernick should have been picked, but it’s not the first time. Anyone remember Ben Barba also? Can’t pick em all.
I wouldn’t be too mad if Bizza left. A bunch of those players have achieved a lot at Penrith but I feel like starting fresh at a new club, taking on more of a leadership role and then improving it (like crittas done) would look better on the resume than staying at the top squad and continuing to win. It’s more of a challenge which is why I applaud Luai bc that’s one hell of a challenge to do at the tigers
i was confident penrith would win after they won last year against Broncos which was a miracle, and penrith will not lose 3 times to one team in one year
Ran into Scope at the Sydney Mara, I was very surprised how tall he is hahaha
Met Matty Burton and GI at the gf they visted in the corporate box absolute giants.
kiwi players Unavailable:
Ronaldo Mulitalo (knee), Dylan Brown (knee), Kieran Foran (ankle), Moses Leota (shoulder), Brandon Smith (knee), Jeremy Marshall-King (knee), Briton Nikora (ankle), Kayal Iro (hamstring), Te Maire Martin (neck), Nelson Asofa-Solomona (suspension), Joseph Manu (rugby union)
pahs are the top 3 all time teams now. also can the nrl rlease that secret camera angle showing the no try?
They have realised it 😂😂
@@whatalife212 cheers ill go have a look for it
Nice win Panthers 4 n a row / 5 is too good best team since 80s 3:46
NZ dont have a strong side this year, missing Solomona,Leota,Brown,Joseph Manu,Mulitalo, Foran a few that trash ozzie last year
I was surprised how comfortable Panthers were i mean Storm didnt do enough to win it.
Willie is great to listen to always structure opinion from big Willie
Mad listen boys 👍
If Bellamy wins it next year, he will be fired up to go again for the back to back.
Odonnel on JTs side at the cowboys?
QUESTION FOR THE BOYS: If you could pick a top 17 from the Panthers 5 GF appearances, who would it be?
Interesting side note - despite the attrition the Panthers have had over the past 5 years, 7 of their players have started in the same position for all 5 GFs (Edwards, To'o, Luai, Cleary, Fisher-Harris, Martin and Yeo). Honourable mention to Leota who started at prop for the last 4, but was on the bench in 2020.
What’s a triple OG ?
Question: if Trent Robinson had won 4x in a row, would he gets more praise than what coach Cleary is getting???
Haven’t the dogs had enough from the panthers without trying to get to’o. Panthers B team
KP will be glad. He didnt really want to play anyway. I think MM had a plan and KP was informed, just to save face👍🏽
All time Melbourne Storm team vs all time Penrith Panthers team. Who wins?
Smith Slater Cronk ingles sika marnou. Glen lazzaras pap's Harry Grant. For a Start would be a good match up!👌
Salary cap or no salary cap?
@@SlaintheMhath you couldn't have a salary cap for state of origin!
So it would have to be no salary cap?
To’o is contracted to the end of 2027, what makes you think he will leave in the next year or 2??
Could JFH be a future immortal? 4 rings, Golden Boot winner and more to come.
Talking about immortals, if Samoa won the World Cup, Luai has to be in the mix as well. Luai over Critta with this 4th ring and probably edging out To'o.
As for the Kiwis, honorable mentions has to be SBW, Jones, Wiki, Asotasi, Cayless. And with at least 1 GF win, SJ would be undoubtable.
Wow scope saying they done a good job on bizza lmao scope i hater 213m and only played 58minutes
Burton the bandit 🤣
I think their game plan was pretty simple.. take hughes out of the play.. best 7 in the game was restricted all game.. munster doesnt have much of a kicking game, so he wasnt as much of a threat.. then they just jammed up their inexperienced middle edge.. any other team panthers put in 50.. Cleary outcoached the Supercoach
If this does go for atleast 2 hours I’m rioting
Reuben wiki?? Probably the nearest kiwi immortal in my opinion
Did Ponga achieve what he set out to do by making himself unavailable in the 1st place??
Melbourne with Billy GI and cronk. Beating Parramatta team with Hayne on fire were great
*cheating
Isn’t that the year they got caught cheating lol
😂😂😂😂😂
I googled and Parra were caught 3 time's to 😮 All team's were there!
@@user-mg1p Not by $3 million when the cap was around $7 million and not over years, and running 2 sets of books.
Hey boys! Not sure if yous will see this comment but just in reguards to the talk about bellamy ending the penrith dynasty next year, do you think it wont be as satisfying for him because he wont be ending the 2021-2024 squad? He'll be ending the dynasty of a team with the likes of cleary yeo and edwards, but he will never be able to get revenge on the squad that started it all with the likes of critta luai leniu kikau capewell burto koroisau fisher harris etc? Me personally i feel like next year would be too late to end it in terms of how satisfied he'd feel ending the dynasty because hes basically beating a whole new penrith team, would love to hear your guys thoughts on the next poddy TRIPPLE OG AND HOZZZZ!!!
Mannering did all of shaun johnsons tackles for years
I’ve said it throughout the year, Mitch Kenny needs to be the 9 for the blues. Dude is a 3x premiership winning hooker and tackles hard. Tailor made for origin.
Someone on reddit said Bellamy’s record isn’t that good in big games. 0 in origin. 2 cheating years with a stacked team. 6 minor premierships that didn’t equal a win in the gf. Wins 2012 and 2017with a stacked team and a weakened comp. 2020 with smith. 2024 another minor premiership with no gf win.