BSA Defiant (Plus)
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Picked mine up on the 1st from Vector Air, great service and coffee as usual, very accurate and 110 shots per charge in .177
Thanks for letting us know the shot count as this is an important part of a gun review but is not usually mentioned on this channel
@@cedhome7945 110/120 @ 4:25 mins in
@@cedhome7945 He did mention the shot count in this video and has done on most of his other videos?
@@hedleypitts7366 i dont get a coffee lol
Thank you Andy, morning everyone. Perfect Friday morning. Glad to see a sensible price and dare I say a bargain.
THANKS Andy just ordered myself one 🎯🇬🇧👍🏼 THANKYOU Sir
"The wind again" but it's a nice tight little group.
Hi Andy, It was great to meet you yesterday.
Fantastic looking gun, i managed to pick the last 1 up from vectorair yesterday and i can't wait to get it to the ranger.
Solid gun. Bloke at our club has one and it shoots really nice. Tell you what getting a gun like this at half price is a bargain. Supporting British made products is always a win for me. 👍
That's a 'wowza' Andy!
I have to agree that >1K it was a non-starter, but at the latest price point, it has to be an absolute winner!
You did it justice matey!!
Nice little gun.I like the video and it didn't seem to inaccurate even with the wind.
I bought mine in the lovely black pepper laminate stock and love it. It's as accurate as shown in the video. It's louder than I would like, so I'm looking at a carbon sleeve and a carbon Twink. The valve does bounce on firings causing a bit of a fart sound so I'm looking at getting that done as well which should increase the shot count even more. The rifle is heavy as mentioned but feels nice in the shoulder. If only BSA had put a bit more effort into this rifle (a pic rail as on this one tested) it could have been the rifle it should have been in the first place..
Who would pay over a grand for a Defiant boggles the mind . 500 quid is what they always should have cost in the first place .
If I see you up at the hot air range I'll let you have a go of my black pepper laminate version ist easy up there in the £1000 price bracket for accuracy and build quality no rattley side leavers on these bad boys. 👍
What a rifle for that price bracket............... Wasn't looking for a pcp until watching this....... Thanks............... I think!?!
Looks nice
A keeper for you for sure.😀
Nearly fell off my chair when you quoted the price 😆 That's astonishing value for a whole lot of quality features, with only the weight a cause for concern but, hey, some folks shoot under-lever springers 🐘
Excellent review, have a lovely BSA . People moan about price may be . But everyone want higher wages until it's uk made. Then it's to expensive 🤷♀️ same for uk farmers etc. Just bought an orange full Sus uk made mountain bike , with loads of hope Tec stuff uk made.
That one of the most accurate rifles that you’ve shot. And it’s British. 👍👍👍👍👍
Its only 15 meters which is odd? Maybe trying to make it look better than it is so no comparison to any other rifle on this channel which are shot at 30 and 40 meters, guessing you could double that size group at 30 meters but there was a breeze i guess
@@nicholasjebull3937 he says "...down at 40 metres" at 10:48, just before shooting.
He was shooting at 40m.
@@robofclanlennox I'm little hard of hearing now, that is quality then
@@rc8rider thats a great little performer then and you could tell he had a better group off camera as he seemed disappointed when a few just went outside the one hole knowing it could do better. I'm impressed
off to the barbers for you after this vid, young man!!! lol,lol, brilliant review.
Good vid brother.
Watched this with subtitles and because Andy has a slight accent it's come up with "bull-poop" every time Andy says bullpup.
Nice review of a decent bit of kit.
Beware of the gauge that turns to expose the filling port. . .the edge of the port is razor sharp. . .turn the gauge and keep fingers away from the area of the port!
Hi Andy, another great vid. Is the scope FFP or SFP please?
Looked at this rifle a few years ago - price put me off but it’s a no brainier at half price - may just go and buy me one😀👍🏻
I have HW TK 100 and HW 99s that are so accurate, this BSA wouldnt break my bank, but I have also a HW57 and a couple of pcp sig mulitshot virtus that are a lot of fun. For me to acquire anything else I really need to trade out the later 3.
Thanks
Great review again Andy, My bullpup (Hatsan Gladius) is very heavy with a scope, what do you think about using a Red Dot scope, and how accurate are they at say 40 yards ? Thanks.
They’re really not that accurate at 40m unless you have very good eyesight or a magnifier, but then you may as well fit a scope weight wise.
Much better price point, not being a snob about it but that £1000 price point put it in the same territory as the impact and some other bullpups with better shot counts and also put it in the same territory as traditional air rifle with more premium stocks etc.
Struggling to find room for more guns. Wifes going mad at me now. Saying why do you want more guns you only need 1 😂
I explained to my wife guns are also works of art and craftmanship. "They pretty"... Women get pretty... I explained to her I have more that one gun, because of the fun of variety in loadings/cocking methods. Variety is the spice of life in a hobby and interest.
I have FX dreamline tactical , Wildcat sniper ….. now can’t stop thinking about this ?
"If you need to screw in a screw, would you only need "just" a hammer in your toolkit? If you needed to iron a blouse, would you need "just" a hoover?"
Ask her how many pairs of shoes she has 😅
@@payres48 I have mate she said they are not 500 each are they ha 😜
Andy which pellets did you use to get your groups and are you using the high mounts that come with the scope?
Nice.
Good review and sales pitch. Is the reduced price due to it being discontinued soon or that is was very overpriced in the first place?
I own one such a superb gun well made and apropper little workhorse
No comment on the gauge at the "business end"?
Which would you prefer this rifle or the Reximex myth, both have good reviews and results and are roughly priced the same? Any advice.
I bought mine at the full price ,dont care if you can buy one half now ,bought a special gun and I love it
Can you fit an aftermarket moderator with the shroud?
That is a lovely rifle results wise, no qualms there at all. The addition of the sling pic rail to the 6 o clock is a great idea, allowing you to run sling AND bipod or a sling and grip bipod underneath (you'll need it with it weighing in at a large baby in weight!). The eagle vision pic rail on top is great, it looks like it'll take a 45° chanted pic rail for a red dot for a bit of mixed environment pest control, such as barns and open spaces.
Well done Vector air on that!
I am a bit put off by the safety position, it would have been nice for it to be a bit closer to the trigger guard, or even an in trigger guard item. If you're pest controlling, I can see it taking extra time in firing the next shot if it's an automatic safety on cocking? The style of the butt stock is a bit marmite too? Is it fixed and why does it look a lot like a dog taking a dump in the woods? Hmmmmmm 🤔
Hi Andy and team... Just a quick note today thank you for these reviews... I found myself coming back and thought it totally necessary to subscribe... Having shot 7.62 floating barrel rifles in my past I have now found the love and appreciation of air guns. (Much easier to utilise in daily life).. I was going to pop up some reviews of my own and would be interested in your opinion... (I am by no way in competition with you, but rather having fun and sharing my passion)... All the very best and good luck keeping up the good work.
looks like you have done some reviews before, by all means make some more, enjoy it and the best of luck.stay safe. Andy
Hi Andy
Although I'm a replica air gun person, I still really enjoy all of your reviews, thanks very much again for all the hard work that you and your team put into these reviews.
Cheers Andy from the Wirral
Not long bought a Gamo GX250, which I am happy with, maybe this could be worth changing to at that price.
But I can’t find a link. I would order one now.
That's going to be a hard pill to swallow if you recently paid full price for one.
If this beauty had been priced at £500 when I saw it at the Gun Show a few months ago I would have snapped it up.
Another supplier has offered it at£466 so I ordered and paid for it but after several weeks I contacted them to find out they were having trouble with deliveries from BSA
Hope VA have better luck cos it’s a smashing gun
What suppliers are selling these for under 500 a been looking everywhere for 1
@@valiantthor9363it was Pelpax , couple of months ago now so don’t know if the offer is still on
Hopefully more successful than the Boulton Paul Defiant!
I like your presentation.
I like it when you are a patriot .
Iam lucky, just ordered mine in 177, for a sub 12ftb a lot cheaper than a wild cat mk3.
Well i❤ it Andy I might see if they might take my FAC bt65 hatsan in part Ex.
You really have temped me to give up my ticket
Wouldn't it be lovely to go to America to compete and turn up with this little British gun with no extra modifications.
Watched this first thing Friday, had a major brain f*rt , went online and bought one! Saturday morning 8:45 delivery made… no time for buyers regret! Bit different to the super meteor I was planning to buy…. Whoops!
Looks a lot like a FX Wildcat.
BSA, bullpup, bloody amazingly fierce price point ! This one shoots as good as it looks too. I reckon Vector will need to grease those shop doors because this ones going to fly out !!!
Nice review Andy , great rifle at a great price.
Dave
I recently bought one of these in it's a standard configuration and to be fair I did like how it felt when shouldered, though I had a number of issues with it, duff gauge, rotating dust cap on the fill port not being able to rotate without brute force, accuracy of mine was all over the place, power at just over 10ft-lb energy maximum, shot count very low and build quality wasn't very good wither, confidence in it lost so its going back now for a refund, which I'm gutted about.
My local dealer wont sell BSA's anymore due to the amount of returns. I was going to buy one, but they put me off.
Gutted. Sold out already. Fingers crossed for more stock soon.
Got my fingers burnt by a BSA Firebird when it leaked they didn't want to help.....can we have a shot count or approximate guess please
Hmm, so is it discounted because a V2 is immanent, or to stimulate some sales?
When you said I really like the feel of this, yeah', you sounded like Rocket from the Guardians of the Galaxy when he got to hold new powerful weapon.
Can BSA Defiant be an alternative to FX Wildcat ?
No! They are worlds apart and here in Sweden the Wildcat is less expensive even at Defiants reduced price. BSA is also restricted to just 15-16 joule.
What is the best under £600 brake barrel bsa any one help it’s for my husband
Reviewed a month too late for me. Just purchased the XM1 bullpup as my rodent gun. Very happy with it, but I would have definately had the BSA instead. Ah well.
A was also going to buy the XM1 but if a can get the BSA for similar price a will be changing g my mind from the Stoeger
Hi Andy can you do a review of the brocock pathfinder xr please am looking to purchase one but all the over reviews are not as good as yours thanks 🙏
I would be tempted to save up a little more and buy the KalibrGun Snipe. stay safe, Andy
hi.....can anyone help, tell me where I can purchase the now vector air defiant....??....
Do you ship to Germany aswell?
Watch the cost there. UK is not within the EU. Add +12.50% import duty and national VAT. Expect a 6-12 week wait. Where to find spares in the future?
Nice advertisement 😊
So? The results speak for themselves. Advertisement enough with that grouping.
Hi bud. Just a quick message to ask do vector air still have the defiant in stock for the 400 quid mark? If so could you please put me in touch with them asap? I was at the NSS this weekend and couldn't find one for less than a grand. Really like everything about this rifle now as I got to have a shot with one and that price suits me. Hope you can help. Hope all's well cheers
apparently they sold out on the first day. No surprise really.
Ok no worries. Typical missed out again lol
Price??
I have the black pepper laminate version, but it still has the soft touch rubber cheekpiece. After about a year this became so sticky it was unusable. I contacted BSA about it but had no reply. In the end I made one out of Laminate to replace it. The gun itself I am very pleased with, great ratting gun in the barns.
Rubber going sticky is what puts me off rifles like this.
a few years ago I wanted a Defiant in FAC power levels, BSA would not oblige and therefore lost a sale to a rival manufacturer, I always try to buy British but not possible in this case, at least from BSA
I believe they do an FAC in the platform
FAC are tricky to get from BSA. Got my MMC Ultra as FAC back in 2006 thanks to Lloyd at BAR. Check out the Wildcat instead
@@innescampbell7428 BSA would not oblige, this was a few years ago - their loss as I wont/haven't obtained any gun from them due to this lack of customer awareness. have FAC air arms in 25 cal and many FX FAC air rifles -
a reasonably priced beezer me want
will it kill a squirrel?
Hi are these still available?
No, sorry apparently they all went on the first day
Even at a grand it wasn’t over priced, I paid 2k for a Uragan 2 Carbon, it’s a bit of a sickener for those that paid the full price for one though and crashes the resale value🤷🏻♂️ is it U.K. made, thought Gamo made them in Spain?
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You said the .177 get 110 shots and the .22 get 120. Why does the 22 version get more shots?
That's a really complex question to answer. Best I can do is, assuming the rifle is limited to 12ftlbs, that to get the same muzzle energy the heavier .22 pellet has to leave the muzzle at around 560 fps, the lighter .177 has to be around 720 fps, so you need a higher pressure in a smaller volume .177 barrel, pushing against a smaller base of the .177 pellet to achieve the higher velocity. There's also frictional losses pushing air down the narrower .177 barrel - best analogy for that is it's a lot harder to blow/suck through a straw than a hosepipe, so again more pressure needed. Other people can probably explain it better. I'm actually surprised at the small difference (10 shots) in shot count between .177 and .22 in this rifle, it's usually much greater.
Ahh right I forgot about the the fpe limit.
Review sometimes fac guns 😂
I remember these when they first came out and they were getting good revues , but at this price and with the with the Vector Air's improvements added to a rifle of this quality from BSA with their time proven cold hammer forged barrel it has to be the best bargain of 2024 and another bonus it's Made in Great Britain, and cheaper than a lot of imported rifles what more to You want . Would it be better with a nice Walnut stock ? Yes but then it it would add to the cost and a synthetic stock is much better in the field and You wouldn't be too bothered about the knocks and bumps scuffs & scratches that are almost certain when to occur when sneaking through woodland for tree rats . T I've seen a couple of reviews of this rifle and been hoping You'd do Your own . Just one problem now , how do I convince My wife that I really need another rifle ? . Thanks Andy catch You next time . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well.
What’s not to like at that price
Looks a bit like a Brocock compatto
I watch your channel from time to time and I take note of your thoughts..I have an np02 which I will never sell..next I got a Walther reign MK2 oh mother once setup I have decided another keeper.... If u saying the bsa are that price well I shall try....btw I have the veyron optics and u r right they are very good..I was happy with that buy...I will say these budget to midrange bullpups are I think 🤔 the future well at least for me..sold my gas rams and break barrells now zeropcp recoil is the way to go..keep up the good work.
Thank you for another review! I was wondering if you would consider organizing your channel’s playlists into FAC Reviews and Sub-12 Reviews. For those of us outside the UK the Sub 12 foot pound limit is arbitrary and I find the FAC reviews much more applicable.
I wonder why HW
Or Daystate 🤔 doesn’t sell their rifles half price 🤔
It’s a great shame it’s not ambidextrous as I’d love to have one but I’m a lefty ☹️!
So BSA was charging over a grand...smh
And they weren't selling. Now it is competitively priced they'll sell.
Morning all
Think I’d be proper cheesed off if I’d paid full price
Fk wildcat springs to mind
I checked my self no wout I have shed to you
.22 out of stock :(
The Defiant was always overpriced, which is why nobody ever bought one, should have been sub £500 right from the start, I have never ever seen anyone with one, which is a shame, 🙄
Agreed. That's actually a more realistic price.
I will pop down to Vector and buy one today.
A bsa for £500 is very tempting.
£500 from the start ? Have you shot or even held one of these? My black pepper laminate is the most accurate gun I own I also have Daystate's and a Weihrauch and the build quality on the BSA is second to none
I bought a black pepper one when they came out , yes it was a bit over priced but it was brilliant, very accurate even at target upto 50m plus , the one I had loved jsb heavys, the only down side was it was very heavy for its size .
Been out a long time nobody wants them then 🤔
massively overpriced in the past.
Nice gun at a bargin price for sure
Its a bit heavy
Looks like am going back to gym 😊
👍🏴😁✌️
Heavy is good except for carrying.
This is nothing against the channel mate but bought the reximex pretensis! around 50 pellets shot before both magazines broke :( bad but not as bad as the top rail, which is not centered. using dove and picatinny rail mounts and two different scopes. one budget, one mtc ffp both centered right of barrel. very disappointed as its a beautiful rifle but would recommend avoiding this particular rifle.
shame about the hideous weight!! no carbon fibre bottle! the rail on the forstock, if you have a sling on the gun, anything fitted behind it will get in the way of the sling when carring the gun, maybe on futre models, even if the price would have to increase.
can we buy here in the us ?
Terrible gun I shot one of these when looking to replace my reliable bsa scorpion so had a go with one of these found it uncomfortable and quite noisy to shoot and it was pricey so tried a hw100 end of story.
That looks like a rat killer!
It's the Gamo boxer... Exactly the same just a slightly different plastic stock.
Stick a huma air reg in it and it's the same gun.
XM1 bullshark is still better 🤷🏾♂️
The worst looking trigger guard in history , what were they thinking .
Watching the end of this and how Andy looked cocking the rifle, is there an argument for a l-ft-side cocking lever on these short rifles? For us righties that is...