This channel is one of a few that have been a breath of freshsir for the duration of The Acolyte. I enjoyed the show and appreciated watching channels thst could st least remain neutral and discuss the lore and what the show was actually doing. I must say, thsnk you for that, it's not all doom and gloom. Star Wars can't die... it's immortal!
Wow you guys are so dense you literally admit you cannot stand when people have criticism and still don’t understand how that’s the issue and not the people criticizing
I am beyond happy that there are still a few channels that just radiate positivity and light even when there are so many people and channels that are full of negativity. You guys are awesome and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching this series with you! ❤
I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
@@MaxRamos8 I guess you didn’t realize that she was talking about The Empire Strikes Back, which is about the betrayal of Vader. What are you even talking about? Have you not seen the original trilogy? Did you not notice that she was talking about Episode V?
@@hannahbean9889?? Vader offers Luke to join him to control the galaxy. There was no hidden message or lies. How is that betrayal? Vader was always seeking to overthrow the Emperor and have Luke by his side
This channel and a few others have been a breath of fresh air throughout the runtime of this show. There are some creators I probably will never see the same again after the juvenile way they behaved throughout.
I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
I really do hope we get season 2 because it feels like Mae is being put into a revan-esque position and i hope she discovers herself again. the drama potential is high
Osha/Mae are a proto chosen one. But unlike Anakin they can't bring balance to the force because they cannot balance the light and dark within one being
The fact that people seem so confused about who is "good" and "evil" during this series is just wild to me. The Jedi were wrong. That doesn't mean they were evil.
Probably cause the writers kept flip flopping character decisions because they don’t belong in any writing room ever again and should’ve never gotten the job in the first place
@@kairos3855 You don't understand anything! Those who have been following since the classic and read the comics, know about the tales of holocrons and everything else were terribly insulted by this show. Star Wars was completely destroyed. Tell me how much you've read about Star Wars since creation, and then I'll tell you what level of knowledge about the lore you have.
Expanding on your thoughts on mind-wiping, there is precedence in modern psychology around hypnosis and a person's "suggestability". The tl;dr version is a person cannot be hypnotized against their will - they have to be willing to participate or it won't have an effect. As always, stellar stream!
The Acolyte, besides being a great show imo, also introduced me to your content and for that I'm super grateful :) I really enjoyed all the episode discussions
I love, love, love Ken (and Joseph and Jen at FC), but I found myself disagreeing vehemently on a point. Bc we tend to think of the Jedi as the good guys, we automatically assign nefarious motives to the senator who wants more oversight for the Jedi. Why? Do we know he had nefarious intentions? I would argue that we don’t know him well enough to say, one way or the other. Or are we assuming he’s acting in bad faith simply bc he’s opposing “our guys”? I would argue that you can’t have a genuinely free and just society without accountability and oversight. In fact, irl, we (well US in particular in this case) is having a massive issue with individuals wanting to be “above the law” and a certain body who has tremendous power and influence being accountable to no one but themselves. I don’t mean to get political, but these are core principles to a successful, free and just society. And that’s not just opinion. You need things to be accountable, you need things to be transparent and you need that type of oversight to a group that is answerable to the public/citizenry via elected officials. Can’t have a genuine democracy without it (channeling my inner Obi-wan). What’s more, doesn’t having two opposing sides which are sincerely and earnestly working for the good of the republic at large more interesting and nuanced than simply saying Senator X is a bad faith actor who is simply being unfair and mean to the Jedi? Isn’t it more interesting where you have two sides genuinely working to make the republic better, but coming at it from different angles? I would even extend this to Ep 2: AOTC. When Dooku captures Kenobi, I always, always, thought they missed out on a huge opportunity: what if Dooku wasn’t a Sith, but simply thought that the Separatists had a real and genuine grievance with the Republic? What if you had Kenobi and Dooku both sincerely thinking that they are on the right side of history? We would lose out on a fantastic villain during TCW, but other avenues would have opened up /and/ it would show how powerful and manipulative Palpatine was even more than he’s shown to be by being able to manipulate two genuinely good sides to fight each other. We know the Jedi are good so we have a knee jerk reaction to people who oppose them, but we just watched a whole series that show that, yes, while good, the Jedi aren’t flawless. They are good, but they aren’t perfect. And if that’s the case, they need oversight to people who are answerable to the public. Otherwise, you risk a massive blind spot in your system with a tremendously powerful organization answerable only to themselves. And while the story is written that “gubment oversight bad” - like in MCU’s Civil War and Stark - irl, it’s the only way to ensure a just, free society.
Absolutely! I don’t like this superficial application of US centrist managerialism in the analysis. I’m not deeply soaked in the lore but I think the take away was about this isn’t just about good and bad, it’s about power and control. The idea - a Lucas concept - that institutions can be flawed and should be held to account, shouldn’t be that controversial or immediately dismissed as ‘politicking’ rather than just being held to democratic account.
That intro song is so good 😅. I love the show, and all your shows. I'm also a huge Force Center fan, so cool to see you all chatting. Just settling in for 3 1/2 hours of Star Wars goodness 😊.
My two favourite Podcasts for Season Finale 🤗 couldn‘t be greater 🎉 Thank you Guys. Btw, couldn‘t sleep after watching the Finale and get the Show just not out of my mind, the whole time constantly thinking and talking about and its a good sign. Definitely want a second Season. Greetings and may the force be with you. ❤
So much of the season finale seemed to draw the audience towards sympathy for the dark side with Qimir & Osha, & honestly that's refreshing for Star Wars. Especially to see how the Sith are able to succeed in the long term
This is the beginning of the long slide downward for the Jedi, culminating with Order 66 and ending with Luke Skywalker deciding to hide away. The hope for the Jedi eventually will be Rey Skywalker and her new Jedi Order. Her new Jedi Order will have learned the mistakes of the past.
1:13:36 When the Sun and moon come together to form the titular eclipse (show's logo), darkness befalls planetary life that depend on said celestial entities.
@@nerevar2185I don't see how you can watch this TH-cam channel filled with positivity and love for the franchise but still have that kind of attitude.
@@austinbaccus that's not really the point I was trying to make. My point was that the dude was being an over dramatic bastard. Like the whole "I'm embarrassed were both star wars fans" just screams insufferable tool.
Great stream, I’ve watched you for years but after this series (which I enjoyed, but wanted to love. And I’ve enjoyed the good faith analysis and criticism even more!) I’m now a fan of Mollie and Alex! It’s so interesting how divided the (good faith) criticism has been on whether Mae or Osha works better for them. I think I’m more locked in on Osha, but I’m fascinated by how evenly divided people are on the characters.
This might have been answered so sorry I'd a repeat question. Alex when you got to talk to Leslye did she say why Vernestra Rwoh is bald in the series?
Yeah, but that scar looks like the result of a vicious attack, one that Vernestra didn’t expect him to survive, and he’s clearly afraid of her. Qimir didn’t show himself to Mae at all. He may be trying a different tack with Osha.
I like the extended movie/mini-series as a format, but 6 or 8 episodes is too short for the stories they are trying to tell here. It was perfect for Kenobi but The Acolyte and Ahsoka needed more. If The Acolyte had been a few episodes longer or if they had been guaranteed a second season before starting then they could have fit in everything they needed better without cramming the main story points into limited runtime at the expense of other aspects. Despite that I have no complaints about the season (apart from losing Jecki and Yord) and look forward to a second season. I'd rank Ahsoka and The Acolyte above Andor.
Whats all this about the title not showing up? I watched it the moment it was released and I saw the title and thumbnail. The next day people were saying the didn't show the title
The dark side of me always wants ForceCenter as the guests even though I know different perspectives are valuable and it’s not like I usually dislike other guests. I do wish the guests would stay for the whole show every week but understand asking people for an hour-ish instead of a variable amount of time that could be over 3 hours is much more reasonable.
Maybe this is just me, but I do feel like the older fans who tend to lionize the OT (and I do it too) and love it, but think modern SW is too kiddy or disappointed bc it’s not GOT in space are weird to me. Have they forgotten how family friendly the OT was/is? Or how goofy some of it was? I feel like they kept the nostalgia, but while they froze their memory of SW in time, their sensibilities grew to want the darker, grittier stuff? They confuse me.
I really enjoyed the acolyte, but It did have a lot of writing issues. I disagree with Molly, though, because I think there were more questions than answers. Here are a lot of questions I had after the show. 1. How were the girls created? 2. Who is Kiamier really and is truly a sith? 3. What is really the vengeance? Tree, planet, or the twins? 4. How were Kiamer scars created? Was it done in a fight or done as punishment? 4. Did Vanestra tell Yoda the truth, or did she tell him her truth 5. Was that plagues, and does Kiamer now him, or was he just observing them from a distance? 6. Did all the witches die, or did they just pass out? We see no skeletons when they return. It didn't burn down, so there still should be skeletons. 8. Who was Vanestra talking to when she says tell him I know who he is? It doesn't seem like she would give Master Yoda that news and not in private. 9. Why did they play Kylo Rens music on 3 different occasions & why did Leslie say there was a reason and not show it. 10. What did Master Toben do so bad, that he would take the vow for 10 years and then take his life? 11. If they thought May was dead, why Master Tobin act like he was expecting her? 12. Why did Endsra say " you, what are you doing here, instead of " omg your alive, we thought you were dead" 13. Why didn't Soul tell Osha that her mom turned her self & May into some kinda smoke monster? 14. Why didn't Soul tell Osha that May said they were going to sacrifice them? 15. Who trained Kiamer? 16. Why did Kelnocca draw all the witch symbols on his wall? 16. Did Kiamer know about the girls being created?, cause it looked surprised. 17. Why did Yord says he gets in his mind and stays there as If he is a witch like her mom? 18. Why didn't they just tell us the name of Kiamer's island,?
Alex, how about a young Palps who is just born a sociopath who wants everything his way and sees all people as a means to an end, just a born user and manipulator?
Senator Rancore wasn't good either. This show had no completely good guys. It was a challenging show; it was a very grown up show and I think that threw some people off.
The show had a lot of issues but I would have been fine with a S2 if the writing team was revamped and and completely overhauled. It raised too many questions and not enough answers, the pacing was awful, and they should have led off the show with all the past flashbacks instead and then bring it into the present. Also just not a fan of OSHA/Mae as a character
The show was really well made and it was fun to watch, but I'm not a fan of the grey morality. To me Star Wars is supposed to be more strait forward about who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. The fact that it showed the Jedi in a way that can be seen as "bad" and the Sith in a way that can be seen as "good" makes me uncomfortable.
The black and white nature of Star Wars is one of the few things I really don't like about it. I like it when things are more complicated. Shiny white knights vs. cackling mustache twirling villains just isn't very interesting.
What always made Luke interesting to me in the OT was how flawed he was, yet overcame things in the end because he always struggled towards his values, helped by his friends. He displays so much fear, anger, grief, disappoint. His desire to do the right thing while experiencing the full range of emotion is compelling. Splitting the human experience into harmony good passion bad just feels.... too simplistic and dishonest
Honestly, thank you for identifying what you specifically don't like about the show. I personally love the gray morality, but I appreciate your perspective and the fact that you took the time to explore and articulate what you don't like about it. Too often, I see people in the comments just saying, "lazy writing," and that's it.
Now that all of it is out, it's worth the watch. The second half is much better than the first, so if you can watch a couple back to back, it'll be a better experience than waiting week to week.
I've listened to Ken discuss each episode of the show over on force center and he DOES like the show and in no way wants to "crush" it. HE admits that he struggles with some ideas it presents and that it's more about issues he has to grapple with than what the show is trying to say.
This channel is one of a few that have been a breath of freshsir for the duration of The Acolyte. I enjoyed the show and appreciated watching channels thst could st least remain neutral and discuss the lore and what the show was actually doing. I must say, thsnk you for that, it's not all doom and gloom. Star Wars can't die... it's immortal!
Wow you guys are so dense you literally admit you cannot stand when people have criticism and still don’t understand how that’s the issue and not the people criticizing
I’m so happy to see my two fave SW shows chatting . All the best from London. Keep up the great work and positivity. Xxx
Hell yea, when ForceCenter and Explained unite you know it's gonna be a great discussion
Krystina's song is just the best. It brings me joy too. Thank you SO MUCH for the positive coverage I luv u guys!
Intelligent discussions by intelligent folks. Cheers y'all.
I am beyond happy that there are still a few channels that just radiate positivity and light even when there are so many people and channels that are full of negativity. You guys are awesome and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching this series with you! ❤
I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
@@MaxRamos8 I guess you didn’t realize that she was talking about The Empire Strikes Back, which is about the betrayal of Vader. What are you even talking about? Have you not seen the original trilogy? Did you not notice that she was talking about Episode V?
@@hannahbean9889?? Vader offers Luke to join him to control the galaxy. There was no hidden message or lies. How is that betrayal? Vader was always seeking to overthrow the Emperor and have Luke by his side
@@MaxRamos8 How is it not a betrayal when your father knows that you won’t make that switch and yet he still asks it of you?
This series was exciting, fun and full of potential. I hope a second season, thanks for the review 😊
@@adamsifford6228 The one that they set up.
This channel and a few others have been a breath of fresh air throughout the runtime of this show. There are some creators I probably will never see the same again after the juvenile way they behaved throughout.
I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
lol k bot
Quote of the episode?
“That is sooo many micro plastics.”
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1:21:09
A vote for Bone Zone! Bone Zone! Bone Zone!
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I really do hope we get season 2 because it feels like Mae is being put into a revan-esque position and i hope she discovers herself again. the drama potential is high
No one cares and it’s not getting a season 2 so just start crying
@@nerevar2185Buddy, they set up a second season. You sound very defensive for no reason
My two favourite channels. Yay!
My two favourite commentators! Love it!
I rlly hope we get a season 2,this show was so good.
Osha/Mae are a proto chosen one. But unlike Anakin they can't bring balance to the force because they cannot balance the light and dark within one being
I may be wrong, but I think you've closed-out most or all of these aftershow finales with FC, which I love. Definitely a welcome tradition!
The fact that people seem so confused about who is "good" and "evil" during this series is just wild to me.
The Jedi were wrong. That doesn't mean they were evil.
@@adamsifford6228 lmao
They weren’t really wrong the witch coven was a pretty horrible group of people for Mae and Osha to live with
Probably cause the writers kept flip flopping character decisions because they don’t belong in any writing room ever again and should’ve never gotten the job in the first place
@@nerevar2185 I'm sorry the writing was too complex for you to understand.
@@kairos3855 You don't understand anything! Those who have been following since the classic and read the comics, know about the tales of holocrons and everything else were terribly insulted by this show.
Star Wars was completely destroyed.
Tell me how much you've read about Star Wars since creation, and then I'll tell you what level of knowledge about the lore you have.
Expanding on your thoughts on mind-wiping, there is precedence in modern psychology around hypnosis and a person's "suggestability". The tl;dr version is a person cannot be hypnotized against their will - they have to be willing to participate or it won't have an effect. As always, stellar stream!
The Acolyte, besides being a great show imo, also introduced me to your content and for that I'm super grateful :) I really enjoyed all the episode discussions
it's a terrible show
That theme is incredible
This was such a good season, season 2 please 🙏🏻
This was such an enjoyable, thoughtful conversation. Thanks for always covering Star Wars in a measured and fun way. ❤
55:45 I really think Qimir was Vernestra's student when she was a Wayseeker. So she most likely wasn't around other Jedi when she was training him?
I love, love, love Ken (and Joseph and Jen at FC), but I found myself disagreeing vehemently on a point.
Bc we tend to think of the Jedi as the good guys, we automatically assign nefarious motives to the senator who wants more oversight for the Jedi. Why? Do we know he had nefarious intentions? I would argue that we don’t know him well enough to say, one way or the other. Or are we assuming he’s acting in bad faith simply bc he’s opposing “our guys”?
I would argue that you can’t have a genuinely free and just society without accountability and oversight. In fact, irl, we (well US in particular in this case) is having a massive issue with individuals wanting to be “above the law” and a certain body who has tremendous power and influence being accountable to no one but themselves.
I don’t mean to get political, but these are core principles to a successful, free and just society. And that’s not just opinion. You need things to be accountable, you need things to be transparent and you need that type of oversight to a group that is answerable to the public/citizenry via elected officials. Can’t have a genuine democracy without it (channeling my inner Obi-wan).
What’s more, doesn’t having two opposing sides which are sincerely and earnestly working for the good of the republic at large more interesting and nuanced than simply saying Senator X is a bad faith actor who is simply being unfair and mean to the Jedi? Isn’t it more interesting where you have two sides genuinely working to make the republic better, but coming at it from different angles?
I would even extend this to Ep 2: AOTC. When Dooku captures Kenobi, I always, always, thought they missed out on a huge opportunity: what if Dooku wasn’t a Sith, but simply thought that the Separatists had a real and genuine grievance with the Republic? What if you had Kenobi and Dooku both sincerely thinking that they are on the right side of history?
We would lose out on a fantastic villain during TCW, but other avenues would have opened up /and/ it would show how powerful and manipulative Palpatine was even more than he’s shown to be by being able to manipulate two genuinely good sides to fight each other.
We know the Jedi are good so we have a knee jerk reaction to people who oppose them, but we just watched a whole series that show that, yes, while good, the Jedi aren’t flawless. They are good, but they aren’t perfect. And if that’s the case, they need oversight to people who are answerable to the public.
Otherwise, you risk a massive blind spot in your system with a tremendously powerful organization answerable only to themselves. And while the story is written that “gubment oversight bad” - like in MCU’s Civil War and Stark - irl, it’s the only way to ensure a just, free society.
Absolutely! I don’t like this superficial application of US centrist managerialism in the analysis.
I’m not deeply soaked in the lore but I think the take away was about this isn’t just about good and bad, it’s about power and control. The idea - a Lucas concept - that institutions can be flawed and should be held to account, shouldn’t be that controversial or immediately dismissed as ‘politicking’ rather than just being held to democratic account.
the chappell roan mention is hilarious because we all know that would just end in Good Luck, Babe
Bazil was trying to save Pip!
He did try to headbutt Sols light saber, but thats when Sol turned it off. Thats what it looked like to me.
That intro song is so good 😅. I love the show, and all your shows. I'm also a huge Force Center fan, so cool to see you all chatting. Just settling in for 3 1/2 hours of Star Wars goodness 😊.
Finally beautiful English. Great guests!
Thanks to Mollie, Alex, Joseph and Ken! 🌑
Force Center rules!
Sith mates happily ever after... Why not? The Acolyte S2 should tread the Sith Rom-Com ground. We enjoy the many facets of the SW universe, right?
My two favourite Podcasts for Season Finale 🤗 couldn‘t be greater 🎉 Thank you Guys. Btw, couldn‘t sleep after watching the Finale and get the Show just not out of my mind, the whole time constantly thinking and talking about and its a good sign. Definitely want a second Season. Greetings and may the force be with you. ❤
So much of the season finale seemed to draw the audience towards sympathy for the dark side with Qimir & Osha, & honestly that's refreshing for Star Wars. Especially to see how the Sith are able to succeed in the long term
This is the beginning of the long slide downward for the Jedi, culminating with Order 66 and ending with Luke Skywalker deciding to hide away. The hope for the Jedi eventually will be Rey Skywalker and her new Jedi Order. Her new Jedi Order will have learned the mistakes of the past.
Great post! I think you are correct!
1:13:36 When the Sun and moon come together to form the titular eclipse (show's logo), darkness befalls planetary life that depend on said celestial entities.
I guess "Acolyte's Out" has a double meaning this time, considering this is the last episode ;_;
THEY STUCK THE LANDING
No they didn’t they shat all over Star Wars I’m embarrassed that we are both Star Wars fans
@@nerevar2185cry more
@@nerevar2185I don't see how you can watch this TH-cam channel filled with positivity and love for the franchise but still have that kind of attitude.
@@fragile4408 it doesn't help that the show wasn't very good.
This channel is good, but that doesn't mean the show was.
@@austinbaccus that's not really the point I was trying to make. My point was that the dude was being an over dramatic bastard. Like the whole "I'm embarrassed were both star wars fans" just screams insufferable tool.
The Jedi need to keep a close watch on Mae. when has a mind wipe ever worked!? The Jedi are going to end up with two dark siders.
Great stream, I’ve watched you for years but after this series (which I enjoyed, but wanted to love. And I’ve enjoyed the good faith analysis and criticism even more!) I’m now a fan of Mollie and Alex!
It’s so interesting how divided the (good faith) criticism has been on whether Mae or Osha works better for them. I think I’m more locked in on Osha, but I’m fascinated by how evenly divided people are on the characters.
I think because of how much Star Wars speaks about balancing the force, it makes sense that 1 is bad and 1 is good.
KEN & JOSEPH!
Ok. That's a Like for Mollie's Boomer Plagueis jokes 😂
This might have been answered so sorry I'd a repeat question. Alex when you got to talk to Leslye did she say why Vernestra Rwoh is bald in the series?
More aerodynamic when lightsaber fighting... 😝
@@Vulcanerd haaaaa!! Great answer!!!!!
she didn't say why
@@Mollie_Damon thank you 😊. Perhaps a mystery solved in season 2 🙂
Slight accident with her light-whip...
Yeah, but that scar looks like the result of a vicious attack, one that Vernestra didn’t expect him to survive, and he’s clearly afraid of her.
Qimir didn’t show himself to Mae at all. He may be trying a different tack with Osha.
I like the extended movie/mini-series as a format, but 6 or 8 episodes is too short for the stories they are trying to tell here. It was perfect for Kenobi but The Acolyte and Ahsoka needed more. If The Acolyte had been a few episodes longer or if they had been guaranteed a second season before starting then they could have fit in everything they needed better without cramming the main story points into limited runtime at the expense of other aspects. Despite that I have no complaints about the season (apart from losing Jecki and Yord) and look forward to a second season. I'd rank Ahsoka and The Acolyte above Andor.
Whats all this about the title not showing up? I watched it the moment it was released and I saw the title and thumbnail. The next day people were saying the didn't show the title
The dark side of me always wants ForceCenter as the guests even though I know different perspectives are valuable and it’s not like I usually dislike other guests. I do wish the guests would stay for the whole show every week but understand asking people for an hour-ish instead of a variable amount of time that could be over 3 hours is much more reasonable.
Maybe this is just me, but I do feel like the older fans who tend to lionize the OT (and I do it too) and love it, but think modern SW is too kiddy or disappointed bc it’s not GOT in space are weird to me.
Have they forgotten how family friendly the OT was/is? Or how goofy some of it was?
I feel like they kept the nostalgia, but while they froze their memory of SW in time, their sensibilities grew to want the darker, grittier stuff?
They confuse me.
Don’t know how anyone can call The Acolyte the gayest Star Wars has been when Han and Lando definitely are exes in Solo
Definitely not the gayest, it didn't have 3PO in it!
But, seriously, Andor (aka the good Star Wars) had a lesbian couple in it.
I really enjoyed the acolyte, but It did have a lot of writing issues. I disagree with Molly, though, because I think there were more questions than answers. Here are a lot of questions I had after the show.
1. How were the girls created?
2. Who is Kiamier really and is truly a sith?
3. What is really the vengeance? Tree, planet, or the twins?
4. How were Kiamer scars created? Was it done in a fight or done as punishment?
4. Did Vanestra tell Yoda the truth, or did she tell him her truth
5. Was that plagues, and does Kiamer now him, or was he just observing them from a distance?
6. Did all the witches die, or did they just pass out? We see no skeletons when they return. It didn't burn down, so there still should be skeletons.
8. Who was Vanestra talking to when she says tell him I know who he is?
It doesn't seem like she would give Master Yoda that news and not in private.
9. Why did they play Kylo Rens music on 3 different occasions & why did Leslie say there was a reason and not show it.
10. What did Master Toben do so bad, that he would take the vow for 10 years and then take his life?
11. If they thought May was dead, why Master Tobin act like he was expecting her?
12. Why did Endsra say " you, what are you doing here, instead of " omg your alive, we thought you were dead"
13. Why didn't Soul tell Osha that her mom turned her self & May into some kinda smoke monster?
14. Why didn't Soul tell Osha that May said they were going to sacrifice them?
15. Who trained Kiamer?
16. Why did Kelnocca draw all the witch symbols on his wall?
16. Did Kiamer know about the girls being created?, cause it looked surprised.
17. Why did Yord says he gets in his mind and stays there as If he is a witch like her mom?
18. Why didn't they just tell us the name of Kiamer's island,?
Bro delete everything but it had a lot of writing issues. And don’t expect answers to these questions we can only hope the series gets cancelled
I think they left a lot of those questions open for a second season. Hopefully we will get one!
Alex, how about a young Palps who is just born a sociopath who wants everything his way and sees all people as a means to an end, just a born user and manipulator?
Having her mind wiped is kind of like Revan in Kotor.
56:00 Five feet apart?
Senator Rancore wasn't good either. This show had no completely good guys. It was a challenging show; it was a very grown up show and I think that threw some people off.
And season 2 is canceled
The show had a lot of issues but I would have been fine with a S2 if the writing team was revamped and and completely overhauled. It raised too many questions and not enough answers, the pacing was awful, and they should have led off the show with all the past flashbacks instead and then bring it into the present. Also just not a fan of OSHA/Mae as a character
Horrible take on how Sith choose apprentices they only want the strongest it’s not favoritism Rule of TWO
It was mediocre. You use a lot of words just not to state that.
The show was really well made and it was fun to watch, but I'm not a fan of the grey morality. To me Star Wars is supposed to be more strait forward about who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. The fact that it showed the Jedi in a way that can be seen as "bad" and the Sith in a way that can be seen as "good" makes me uncomfortable.
The black and white nature of Star Wars is one of the few things I really don't like about it. I like it when things are more complicated. Shiny white knights vs. cackling mustache twirling villains just isn't very interesting.
I agree, it's always been tough. It's difficult to relate considering how one dimensional the characters and conflict can feel @Blinkptx
What always made Luke interesting to me in the OT was how flawed he was, yet overcame things in the end because he always struggled towards his values, helped by his friends. He displays so much fear, anger, grief, disappoint. His desire to do the right thing while experiencing the full range of emotion is compelling. Splitting the human experience into harmony good passion bad just feels.... too simplistic and dishonest
Honestly, thank you for identifying what you specifically don't like about the show. I personally love the gray morality, but I appreciate your perspective and the fact that you took the time to explore and articulate what you don't like about it.
Too often, I see people in the comments just saying, "lazy writing," and that's it.
I'm too scared to watch this show because of the constant negative reactions before and during its run.
You should try it out, the worst it can happen is that you actually don't like and it's fine... try to watch it with no bias and see what you think
Now that all of it is out, it's worth the watch. The second half is much better than the first, so if you can watch a couple back to back, it'll be a better experience than waiting week to week.
Ken wanted to crush this show so bad, but he was playing nice to not rock the boat on this super happy go lucky show
I've listened to Ken discuss each episode of the show over on force center and he DOES like the show and in no way wants to "crush" it. HE admits that he struggles with some ideas it presents and that it's more about issues he has to grapple with than what the show is trying to say.