Both the Narrator and the ending Shifting Mound being like "I am not wrong. I can't be wrong", shows how they are both similar to each other in a way. They both can't accept they can be wrong.
@@spandanganguli6903 The narrator from Happily Ever After wasn't unique. He was as stubborn as he always was, and that route had him shaken to his core. Seeing how the Narrator always starts the same, whatever affects one version of him will affect *every* version of him.
@@danklegosi6084 when shes buulding herself not really but at her final stage she is very arrogant and thinks that all she says is the only truth. When the hero brings us back to the cabin and we can talk to the princess she says how she feels different than "her" she doesn't actually want to be a goddess. She can even say, "it must be lonely thinking of yourself as the only thing that matters".
The final ending is the Echo/Narrator's perfect ending. It's his ending. A stagnant, deathless world, but now ruled by a god that ultimately is a nihilistic god. The Long Quiet is a being of stasis, a reactive entity which represents stagnant decay. He is a quiet, ordered entity. While Shifty is certainly extreme, she isn't incorrect. She is chaos, the insanity of life itself, and the finality of death. Her flaw is that, like the Narrator, she believes herself infallible. She doesn't have to end the universe NOW. She could do it in a slower rate. She is a essentially a hyperactive child, compared to the Long Quiet. Worst of all: You're alone. You have nothing to offer perspectives, as the Voices are gone. You are a dull, empty entity. That's why the two gods need each other. The issue is that Shifty is too overbearing. I'd have preferred if you could, by beating her argument, convince her that she can, essentially, calm down and moderate. This doesn't feel like an ending that is deserving of having to get 5 Red Text options.
She's not the one that ends the universe tho. Like, she doesn't control change or make it happen, she is change itself. So there is nothing to 'moderate' or 'calm down', it's either she exists or she doesn't. And if she does, that universe is going to end.
@@Zigzf The way I see it is that TLQ is what "slows" her rate of change, in the Stranger route we see what an existence would be like without TLQ to have a function of non-change present and it's utter chaos, nothing stays the same for even a moment, to me this shows his existence acts sort of like a break to slow the rate of change, to give periods where things don't change. Considering what TLQ and TSM are I'd find it odd that they can't alter the ratio between them for how quickly the universe changes through their wills, I would have liked if going through the 5 red options allowed a compromise ending that way, the ending also makes a statement that TLQ is able to exist without TSM "defining his shape" as she put it, which is a powerful statement in and of itself.
"But I'm not wrong! I can't be wrong!" I remember when the spectre said that the narrator was a lot like her. Well, *she was right in more ways than one :)*
Yeah, it looks like specific vessels have certain animations in their re-introduction. Like, creepy ones have the lights flashing, aggressive one have her jumping forward with worry. Some of them also have her jumping forward with glee and some have her covering your eyes in surprise.
Still more routes to explore, as the variants for some of them like the Den having two different versions depending on having the Voice of the Skeptic or Stubborn makes it interesting to see how things can play out differently.
@@CrankyTemplarI saw a pretty detailed route map from before the Pristine Cut that showed you how to get to each chapter WITH each combination of voices. I hope a new one pops up for the Pristine Cut.
The ending where Princess and Quiet abandon their divinity and just decide to be together just wrung my heart, I think I needed an overwhelmingly sweet ending right now, and man, did I get it.
Didn't this ending already exist in the game? Where you could just leave with the first version of the princess you met? (If you didn't take the blade, she'd be extremely kind, if you did, she'd be a bit mean.)
7:45 So when our Arms and body grab the Shifting mound are we simmilar looking to the shifting mound or something else since there multiple hands and wings just like the shifting mound how she has 6 arms and swarm with herself. So would we be simmiliar to her then?
From my knowledge in the original, the game describes us also changing when we either defeat the Shifting Mound or leave with the Shifting Mound. It describes how our wings grow larger and how our body adapts to some kind of godhood in the same way the Shifting mound does. So… yeah, I think we do kind of look similar to the shifting mound.
@@reicho3034 The wiki also says that at some routes we change according to the princess or to what we believe. For example, in the wrath we see pur legs and pretty much half our lower body so its pretty safe to say that we dont have any clothing, as also in the fury route when she 'unwounds us' we dont see any fabric or whatsoever However, in the prisoner route, when we ask Narrator for evidence, he asks us to check our pockets and we are able to do that. Hence, if we have pockets we have pants or lower clothing at the least. He made us believe something, and it came true. It seems that he can simply shift the construct however he wants aslong as we believe what he says Also in the Thorn, we are able to kiss her, hence no beak, however, in the Adversary, when she punches our face we are able to see our beak splattered on the walls of the cabin. Hence, we do have a beak My point is, we also, similarly to the princess, shift according to our own belief. In the new dawn ending, our wings expand, that is because the Long Quiet is us (or more accurately our wings that we have no awareness of) and then our wings grow, and the void opens, that is because our wings were glued or sticked together, working as a cage, then when they grew they started detaching, hence opening the void Like what the video of Princess Pointless dump said, we are the wardens of our own prison
The New Slayer ending is the literal worst outcome possible. A literal world with no movement or time. In statues for living people we literally turn into the villain here no wonder it's red dialogue.
But we still have a piece of change within us that will allow time and movement to continue, but with restrictions of course. Unless we somehow destroy that part of us as well but that can't be possible, right? I guess that's what the ocean represents. It just does it better than a red dwarf star looming over everything. Waves crash into each other, become part of each other then fall back into the sea. Then it repeats.
@reubensalter8125 without the voices there's nothing to really say there's any change that's going to happen. That entire ending was virtually him saying there is no reason for change. It's why time seems to stop and the people that he puts into his world is just going to be watching. This is the most pure static world without the voices well there's no conflicting opinion he's just there. He actually does just straight up destroy reality and remake it in his own image
@@jawaunw1 But again, we still have change in us. If anything that makes it better than oblivion, which will always be the worst one for me. There's nothing left there.
@@reubensalter8125 But until when does one run out of change with no more different stimuli to react and take inspiration from? When it reaches the even horizon of this line of thought? I think at that point, it is oblivion, complete lack of thought and reaction. The only difference is that if some random being higher than God stumble upon it, it will see an oblivion with shape, instead of a shapeless one.
Yeah. But she also said that it doesn't matter what we are or what we call ourselves, we don't need labels to define us. But then she also said that we are and have always been gods and that will never change and that we can't deny such an important part of ourselves. So we might as well embrace it.
Trying to 100% the game and cant defeat her so taking notes dont mind me The grey The apotheosis - with blade The stranger - with blade The den - blade, fight Happily ever after - slain
There's three versions of her at the cabin based on your first route. The one in this video is from not bringing the knife to your first encounter. It sounds like you brought the knife to your first cabin visit. There's another version if you do the Stranger route first (which also has the Voice of the Contrarian show up at the cabin).
a world without death will eventually turn into a world of endless suffering, the lack of an end is a lack of a choise, this ending is a loop that will never end, a loop you can now not forget until you truely are not yourself. it is not freedom, it is the saddest ending.
Not without death, without entropy. Disorder will no longer grow in a closed system. In theory pre-existing systems like living things will be passed into the new paradigm but they'll be changed to fit that paradigm. Though every living thing will be, according to the Narrator, a eternally happy immortal with no capacity to form long term memories. At least that's my understanding, everyone everywhere will essentially be immortal happy drunks.
nah i like this ending, it was my favorite and actually made me the happiest out of all the endings in this game, I felt happy in that game for the first time i could finally be forever just because i could and do it with an actual world. so have to disagree with you there this can be considered the happiest ending
@@agorostriker611you do understand that in this ending everyone is stuck in a dying universe for all eternity? No new births, no new advancements, nothing new. Just..existence. Hell an argument could be made that no change would ever occur. The only aspect of the king quite that changes are the voices and they are gone. The voices are change, we by ourselves do not facilitate this. So now we have a world in a picture. Forever just stagnate. The people frozen in place. The other un-ending dawn end is better than this one. But it also sucks. You trade an infinite number of future births for the finite amount of life present in the dying universe. Sure , you prevent their eventual deaths but they never existed in the first place so they don’t count . Infinite is larger than finite so it’s a net loss.
@@agorostriker611 Honestly really glad to see someone else likes the ending (I am also a big fan of the original "A New Dawn" ending). I thought I was the only one, and it kinda sucks how a lot of people treat it like it's just a slow, dulling stagnation of nothingness. The ending literally describes how you, being the new god of this world, can make up or create anything you wish, alter reality to your very whim; you alone can make it an eternal, ever growing, ever lasting paradise, ever moving, but never decaying. It's not the "Happily Ever After" route where everything that happens gets worse and worse, it's the opposite. The concept of immortality isn't good or bad, it's what you do with that which is what matters; the Narrator wanted to end the Shifting Mount so that he could save everyone in his dying universe, and he specifies that he made the cut rough on purpose so that it wouldn't literally end change itself, but rather death, so that you can continue to experience new things, forever, rather than being stuck and frozen. I am so sick and tired of how people continue to bastardize the concept and make it unnecessarily horrifying for no damn reason.
The new ending kinda makes the game more sad to me. Why is the outcome of destroying her so positive? 😢 A world full of potential, it looks peaceful, no decay, it's like how many people would describe heaven. Potential but no death. It's almost the best canon ending. When you both stay Gods it's never-ending conflict, destruction and chaos. And if you leave with the Princess it is unclear what happens, you might still be stuck in the loop. So considering this the new ending of destroying her almost seems the most best in terms of what is canon... and I don't like that.
a world without death will eventually turn into a world of endless suffering, the lack of an end is a lack of a choise, this ending is a loop that will never end, a loop you can now not forget until you truely are not yourself. it is not freedom, it is the saddest ending.
@@RowanCramer Do we know this though? He's a God. Think about heaven and the afterlife are portrayed without death and everyone is happy. As a God he can remove boredom and sadness.
@@Miramisu but it is the knife that makes one forget, he can not do that right? to never forget, to live forever, is to be trapped in a loop for eventualy you will do everything, and then then do it again and again and again and again and forever more, the lack of an ending is the saddest thing for it is the scarcity that gives value, life without end will lose its flavor.
The funny thing is, Shifty turns out to be right... Both endings in which you kill her, you end up with a broken world, where every living thing is either cursed to relive their lives over and over again, or exists in the eternal stagnation, just like in the Happily Ever After ending. Shifty is overbearing for sure, but she's absolutely right. Which totally makes sense, since she's literally an aspect of creation.
Yeah. Reardless of how you feel about her or what she says or how she says it, she is still right. However, the Happily Ever After ending is different because in the narrator's world, everyone would forget everything before doing it again.
@@reubensalter8125 i meant what was happening in case you stay in the cabin with the princess in the Damsel root. They added this ending in the update. Narrator there realizes that he made a "horrible mistake", while watching LQ and SM, meaning that version of him understood that constant existence without change would be hell.
@@brainworm232 Yeah I know what you meant. But the one thing that made it different was in his ideal world everyone wouldn't get bored of doing the same thing over and over because they'd be forgetting every time they finish it
About obtaining this ending: do you need routes where you slay the princess in the final chapter or can you also get this ending by getting one in which you slay the princess in a previous chapter (Spectre, Tower-Fury, ETC.)?
Dying at the same time works - I got a red one from burning Grey "I was watching you burn". And some rejections also count - like tossing the head in the Cage. "You always need me, but I don't need you"
Why nobody says anything about the fact that a world without the embodiment of Change (like the one at 17:14) would never allow new births? No more babies, meaning no more cries and fears, but also no more growth and joy. No more learning, because learning means making mistakes and then struggling to realize what was wrong in what you did. No more arts, because creating something anew would be destroying something to make something else. All those events require the possibility to carry out so many changes that would be never be possible in that Brave New World. Sure, that world would tolerate enough changes to allow movement and the pacing of life (the workings of life is based on continuous changes), meaning that survival would be guaranteed, but just that. It seems to me a gray world for misanthropists.
Yeah, also I think the voices carried a part of what needed to to be a part of you which can explain why that ending is different with the voices have that red background
@miche9611 People make really big assumptions that there would be enough change for conventional life and consciousness at all I find. You can pretty easily break down the Narrarators arguments over context to find him unreliable. Change for consciousness, the impulse of your nerves and blood is very much in the larger scald of change.
@@travislyonsgary To support it even more it says that the new world is ever moving without interuptions, this could mislead the player into thinking that life is still going to continue, but there technically nothing important and meaningfull to live a life without deaths and interuptions.
@@travislyonsgary Right. That Brave New World would be totally alien to us. No conventional life would be possible. Still, some imitation of life may have some place there. Dolls in place of people, like in Westworld. The point is: would some of the people living into the prior universe have their consciousness back in the new one? If so, sooner or later that new reality would become a "living" everlasting hell, at least by their prior standards. And that only because that f***ing egocentric mad scientist who made the construct and the AI known as "the Narrator" thought he could decide what was right and what was not for everyone else.
We keep trying to examine how imprecise the tear between LQ & SM is, but nobody seems to remember that the Narrator was careful enough to make an imprecise split specifically to avoid the agony of stagnation
the ending of the fight where we choose to destroy her feels a bit anticlimactic, doesn't it? like, we just press a button and pop she goes, vanishing into nowhere
That's the whole point. We just erased the concept of change itself from existence. It was never going to be anything more than that. It's exatcly as if it doesn't exist.
@@reubensalter8125 i get that we erase her from existence, my problem is how abrupt it is - one moment she's here, next she ain't, music stops and we transition to next scene, she doesn't even get to say any last words
@@giogio51592 It's supposed to be abrupt. That's what should happen to the very concepts that define the world we live in - they cease to exist like they never even existed in the first place. Like the last change ever made was the erasure of change itself.
Same here, I wished that there were at least a bit more of narration or a sequence like the other ending with the VoHero who shows some sketches of the woods and the cabin before going to talk with the princess.
@@ReadilyAvailibleChomper You only get the red options from certain choices in routes that are basically slaying the princess (the stranger gives a red option by default). Since you need to pick all five of them it's not something you'll get unless specifically going for it.
To be honest, I thought the new ending was going to be that TLQ somehow finds a way to end himself and let Shifty be the only god. Or an ending where they both exist but it'll be like a divorced relationship instead of being together. But I guess that's what the oblivion ending is, huh? They just both die. I personally think it's unnecessary since the New Dawn (all voices hate you) ending is pretty much the worst one in my eyes. This one is practically the same but you're COMPLETELY alone and everything is stagnate. It's honestly worse because there is no one to accompany you at all. Idk, I was fine with another bad ending with Shifty having problems of her universes dying too fast or something. Plus, it finally gives her absolute control for once instead of TLQ making choices for her. Idk. There's definitely way more potential.
@@maybeimtorn5712 But it's fine because oblivion is still worse - there really are worse things to be alone. And you still have that piece of her inside you so you're not truly alone. And the devs wouldn't have made it like this if it weren't for a reason.
I like it because it was kinda strange you couldn’t slay the shifting mound without a voice when TLQ is a god of equal power. plus the game’s theme of choice and breaking harmful patterns of behavior is stronger knowing TLQ could put an end to shifty on his own, but chooses not to.
Ending seems good. Don't know why the nihilists in the comment section like to do head cannons. Though I guess that's society nowadays. Thanks for uploading.
For someone, who so says "there's no death, only transformation", the Princess is too mad about being destroyed and the world transformed and maintained without her. Even Narrator can see his flaws and accept his mistakes, but SM just believes she is important
A new thought came to me when the update come. It is about what we and the princess was before the Construct: We are the single unchanging law of the universe: Everything will change Then the Narrator came with his Construct and separated the law and its content so he can achieve eternity. In the ending we step out with just us and the princess, the law and the contents remain separated but they still somehow coexist which will create a new universes that is unknown to both of them
Maybe that's because she has a part of us inside her, that is stagnation? And maybe that's because she is actually right in her important? Isn't that what the whole fight is about - her importance to the universe itself? Plus words are difficult for her.
@@reubensalter8125 I don't think so. The Narrator has royally fucked up and given thought to these concepts. He has created gods with qualities similar to him. That means immensely powerful beings with opinions and ideas. This is a disaster no matter what.
The god of eternity or stasis wants to stay with the god of change forever, but that eternity must end because of the god of change. The princess needs change, she doesn't want eternity even if she loves The Long Quiet. She will seek a way to end this or escape from the unchanging world. as shown by other endings were she leaves after saying 'it's cold'.
Wait, so in the pristine cut, in the cabin conversation ending, is it no longer possible for the princess to call you “hero”? Did that get removed in the pristine cut?😯
It is still possible, dependent on the decision to take/not take the blade on your very first iteration out of the five, THEN AT THE END choosing to not take the blade in the final cabin no matter what. Blade = "Hero", No Blade = "Quiet"
I don't really get the point of the show mercy option. Since you still end up inside her. The voice of the hero jumps in saying the same stuff about "how you can't do this alone" which is nonsense as you were clearly overpowering her. It would have been interesting if she had accepted a servial role or something with you as the ruling power of your new reality. Either that or just absorb her entirely and become corrupted with her perspective on things.
End routes with carrying out slaying the princess (so the Thorn route doesn't work because even if you choose to slay her, the thorns stop you). The Stranger gives the red text by default. The Drowned/Burned Grey also do. You need to resolve five routes this way and pick all of the red options to get the new ending.
@@reubensalter8125 Why tho? This ending isn’t much different from the regular slay ending you just kill her in true form instead of the ‘core’, so why they made it so unfulfilling
@@djmewtwo6981 Not really. The voices are gone and there's better symbolism over what our new world looks like. It kinda is like an ocean when you think about it. And to answer the "why", it's all about perspective really, isn't it? I've given mine. Plus, anything is indeed better than the oblivion ending.
@@reubensalter8125 actually he's right, this ending just suddenly pops up, they forgot to add animations or something, or at least some text saying the MC just instantly yeeted her outta existence to explain the instant transmission lmao
@@Pulowski They didn't forget to add animations at all. Plus they even said animations take considerable amounts of time and effort and money. And they know exactly what they're doing otherwise they wouldn't have put it in there. And also it makes sense that she just disappears, especially since she was having an identity crisis based on the dialogue. Isn't that what destroying an actual concept is supposed to look like? And it doesn't just "pop up" it requires you to make certain choices during curtains routes.
Both the Narrator and the ending Shifting Mound being like "I am not wrong. I can't be wrong", shows how they are both similar to each other in a way. They both can't accept they can be wrong.
The Narrator is an echo of a being. He literally doesn't have the capacity to change his mind.
@@spandanganguli6903 I already know that, i am meaning the way both thinking they cant be wrong.
@@spandanganguli6903he can and he did in one of the routs. He just can't realise that he is wrong without seeing world without princes.
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The narrator from Happily Ever After wasn't unique. He was as stubborn as he always was, and that route had him shaken to his core.
Seeing how the Narrator always starts the same, whatever affects one version of him will affect *every* version of him.
@@justjoking5252Except he wasn't stubborn then, he became more open as it went and he was the only one who was affected. Sand the one in the mirror.
Slay the princess, the perfect blends of Lovecraftian horror; philosophy of life and death; the entire world movement; and love.
You monster!!! How can you not say I missed you too???
I felt that because the dialogue options for the new ending were more aggressive it wouldn't flow as well. I did pick that in my endings compilation.
Chill smitten
The shifting mound is kinda of an ass
@@orleanswarrior1834 how so?
@@danklegosi6084 when shes buulding herself not really but at her final stage she is very arrogant and thinks that all she says is the only truth. When the hero brings us back to the cabin and we can talk to the princess she says how she feels different than "her" she doesn't actually want to be a goddess. She can even say, "it must be lonely thinking of yourself as the only thing that matters".
The final ending is the Echo/Narrator's perfect ending. It's his ending. A stagnant, deathless world, but now ruled by a god that ultimately is a nihilistic god. The Long Quiet is a being of stasis, a reactive entity which represents stagnant decay. He is a quiet, ordered entity.
While Shifty is certainly extreme, she isn't incorrect. She is chaos, the insanity of life itself, and the finality of death. Her flaw is that, like the Narrator, she believes herself infallible. She doesn't have to end the universe NOW. She could do it in a slower rate. She is a essentially a hyperactive child, compared to the Long Quiet.
Worst of all: You're alone. You have nothing to offer perspectives, as the Voices are gone. You are a dull, empty entity.
That's why the two gods need each other. The issue is that Shifty is too overbearing. I'd have preferred if you could, by beating her argument, convince her that she can, essentially, calm down and moderate. This doesn't feel like an ending that is deserving of having to get 5 Red Text options.
Going to the final cabin and talking to the base princess is basically shifty calming down and remembering her humanity again
You get 5 red text by killing 5 vessels.
Not exactly the most convincing.
She's not the one that ends the universe tho. Like, she doesn't control change or make it happen, she is change itself. So there is nothing to 'moderate' or 'calm down', it's either she exists or she doesn't. And if she does, that universe is going to end.
nah shes wrong. We don't need her
@@Zigzf The way I see it is that TLQ is what "slows" her rate of change, in the Stranger route we see what an existence would be like without TLQ to have a function of non-change present and it's utter chaos, nothing stays the same for even a moment, to me this shows his existence acts sort of like a break to slow the rate of change, to give periods where things don't change.
Considering what TLQ and TSM are I'd find it odd that they can't alter the ratio between them for how quickly the universe changes through their wills, I would have liked if going through the 5 red options allowed a compromise ending that way, the ending also makes a statement that TLQ is able to exist without TSM "defining his shape" as she put it, which is a powerful statement in and of itself.
"But I'm not wrong! I can't be wrong!" I remember when the spectre said that the narrator was a lot like her. Well, *she was right in more ways than one :)*
I am loving these new animations when she shifts vessels.
... It's almost as if shifty rushes forward to intercept the beast when she pops up
That's the Den. Beast is smaller 😁
Yeah, it looks like specific vessels have certain animations in their re-introduction.
Like, creepy ones have the lights flashing, aggressive one have her jumping forward with worry. Some of them also have her jumping forward with glee and some have her covering your eyes in surprise.
@@Penguinmanereikel That's not worry, that's aggression. She's channelling the vessels as they appear. Even the mini-shifties have the same expression
She clearly just lunges at you. Like, you all of her has this angry expression as she jumps you.
I can never get this ending, because I cannot be mean to anyone physically and virtually
Peak is back on the menu boys!
Still more routes to explore, as the variants for some of them like the Den having two different versions depending on having the Voice of the Skeptic or Stubborn makes it interesting to see how things can play out differently.
Waiter waiter! Several more orders for peak!
@@CrankyTemplarI saw a pretty detailed route map from before the Pristine Cut that showed you how to get to each chapter WITH each combination of voices. I hope a new one pops up for the Pristine Cut.
i love the princess, shes one of my favorite personfication of life or energy
17:14 *"Those aren't mountains, They're waves"*
*Tick tock*
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The ending where Princess and Quiet abandon their divinity and just decide to be together just wrung my heart, I think I needed an overwhelmingly sweet ending right now, and man, did I get it.
Didn't this ending already exist in the game? Where you could just leave with the first version of the princess you met? (If you didn't take the blade, she'd be extremely kind, if you did, she'd be a bit mean.)
@@PenguinmanereikelAnd if you got the Stranger, you'd leave with her instead
7:45 So when our Arms and body grab the Shifting mound are we simmilar looking to the shifting mound or something else since there multiple hands and wings just like the shifting mound how she has 6 arms and swarm with herself. So would we be simmiliar to her then?
From my knowledge in the original, the game describes us also changing when we either defeat the Shifting Mound or leave with the Shifting Mound. It describes how our wings grow larger and how our body adapts to some kind of godhood in the same way the Shifting mound does. So… yeah, I think we do kind of look similar to the shifting mound.
@@reicho3034 The wiki also says that at some routes we change according to the princess or to what we believe. For example, in the wrath we see pur legs and pretty much half our lower body so its pretty safe to say that we dont have any clothing, as also in the fury route when she 'unwounds us' we dont see any fabric or whatsoever
However, in the prisoner route, when we ask Narrator for evidence, he asks us to check our pockets and we are able to do that. Hence, if we have pockets we have pants or lower clothing at the least. He made us believe something, and it came true. It seems that he can simply shift the construct however he wants aslong as we believe what he says
Also in the Thorn, we are able to kiss her, hence no beak, however, in the Adversary, when she punches our face we are able to see our beak splattered on the walls of the cabin. Hence, we do have a beak
My point is, we also, similarly to the princess, shift according to our own belief. In the new dawn ending, our wings expand, that is because the Long Quiet is us (or more accurately our wings that we have no awareness of) and then our wings grow, and the void opens, that is because our wings were glued or sticked together, working as a cage, then when they grew they started detaching, hence opening the void
Like what the video of Princess Pointless dump said, we are the wardens of our own prison
fan art of that is gonna be funky@@reicho3034
17:08 “Those aren’t mountains…
They’re waves…”
and the background....im pretty sure thats TON 618
*_cue Hans Zimmer music_*
Our squad is dead either...
The New Slayer ending is the literal worst outcome possible. A literal world with no movement or time. In statues for living people we literally turn into the villain here no wonder it's red dialogue.
But we still have a piece of change within us that will allow time and movement to continue, but with restrictions of course. Unless we somehow destroy that part of us as well but that can't be possible, right?
I guess that's what the ocean represents. It just does it better than a red dwarf star looming over everything. Waves crash into each other, become part of each other then fall back into the sea. Then it repeats.
@reubensalter8125 without the voices there's nothing to really say there's any change that's going to happen. That entire ending was virtually him saying there is no reason for change. It's why time seems to stop and the people that he puts into his world is just going to be watching. This is the most pure static world without the voices well there's no conflicting opinion he's just there.
He actually does just straight up destroy reality and remake it in his own image
@@jawaunw1 But again, we still have change in us. If anything that makes it better than oblivion, which will always be the worst one for me. There's nothing left there.
@@reubensalter8125 But until when does one run out of change with no more different stimuli to react and take inspiration from? When it reaches the even horizon of this line of thought? I think at that point, it is oblivion, complete lack of thought and reaction. The only difference is that if some random being higher than God stumble upon it, it will see an oblivion with shape, instead of a shapeless one.
@@joaoarthur3652 Never. That's the whole point. It's an endless cycle. The change is the cycle.
14:32 guys, guys.... THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!! THAT'S WHAT THE PRINCESS SAID.
Yeah. But she also said that it doesn't matter what we are or what we call ourselves, we don't need labels to define us.
But then she also said that we are and have always been gods and that will never change and that we can't deny such an important part of ourselves. So we might as well embrace it.
@@reubensalter8125pretty sure the op was making a dick joke.
@@reubensalter8125Oh, yeah, embrace it alright
@@Fiufsciak should we tell him what the joke was?
Ultimately eternity wants change, but change will destroy it. And there is no change if there’s no eternity for it to change.
Trying to 100% the game and cant defeat her so taking notes dont mind me
The grey
The apotheosis - with blade
The stranger - with blade
The den - blade, fight
Happily ever after - slain
You need to slay her in the happily ever after route to get the red dialogue.
@CrankyTemplar yes i figured that out the hard way haha, thank you tho!!
Gracias a tu comentario por fin pude terminar el juego
Why does my princess at the end seem more sharp than timid at the end compared to your video
There's three versions of her at the cabin based on your first route. The one in this video is from not bringing the knife to your first encounter. It sounds like you brought the knife to your first cabin visit. There's another version if you do the Stranger route first (which also has the Voice of the Contrarian show up at the cabin).
a world without death will eventually turn into a world of endless suffering, the lack of an end is a lack of a choise, this ending is a loop that will never end, a loop you can now not forget until you truely are not yourself. it is not freedom, it is the saddest ending.
Not without death, without entropy. Disorder will no longer grow in a closed system. In theory pre-existing systems like living things will be passed into the new paradigm but they'll be changed to fit that paradigm.
Though every living thing will be, according to the Narrator, a eternally happy immortal with no capacity to form long term memories. At least that's my understanding, everyone everywhere will essentially be immortal happy drunks.
nah i like this ending, it was my favorite and actually made me the happiest out of all the endings in this game, I felt happy in that game for the first time i could finally be forever just because i could and do it with an actual world. so have to disagree with you there this can be considered the happiest ending
@@agorostriker611you do understand that in this ending everyone is stuck in a dying universe for all eternity? No new births, no new advancements, nothing new. Just..existence.
Hell an argument could be made that no change would ever occur. The only aspect of the king quite that changes are the voices and they are gone. The voices are change, we by ourselves do not facilitate this.
So now we have a world in a picture. Forever just stagnate. The people frozen in place.
The other un-ending dawn end is better than this one. But it also sucks. You trade an infinite number of future births for the finite amount of life present in the dying universe. Sure , you prevent their eventual deaths but they never existed in the first place so they don’t count . Infinite is larger than finite so it’s a net loss.
@@ThelordHayden34 yeah im fine with this my dude
@@agorostriker611 Honestly really glad to see someone else likes the ending (I am also a big fan of the original "A New Dawn" ending). I thought I was the only one, and it kinda sucks how a lot of people treat it like it's just a slow, dulling stagnation of nothingness. The ending literally describes how you, being the new god of this world, can make up or create anything you wish, alter reality to your very whim; you alone can make it an eternal, ever growing, ever lasting paradise, ever moving, but never decaying. It's not the "Happily Ever After" route where everything that happens gets worse and worse, it's the opposite.
The concept of immortality isn't good or bad, it's what you do with that which is what matters; the Narrator wanted to end the Shifting Mount so that he could save everyone in his dying universe, and he specifies that he made the cut rough on purpose so that it wouldn't literally end change itself, but rather death, so that you can continue to experience new things, forever, rather than being stuck and frozen. I am so sick and tired of how people continue to bastardize the concept and make it unnecessarily horrifying for no damn reason.
The new ending kinda makes the game more sad to me. Why is the outcome of destroying her so positive? 😢
A world full of potential, it looks peaceful, no decay, it's like how many people would describe heaven. Potential but no death.
It's almost the best canon ending. When you both stay Gods it's never-ending conflict, destruction and chaos.
And if you leave with the Princess it is unclear what happens, you might still be stuck in the loop.
So considering this the new ending of destroying her almost seems the most best in terms of what is canon... and I don't like that.
I just realised this ending is very similar to the end of evangelion when the third impact occure.
It has the same vibe
a world without death will eventually turn into a world of endless suffering, the lack of an end is a lack of a choise, this ending is a loop that will never end, a loop you can now not forget until you truely are not yourself. it is not freedom, it is the saddest ending.
@@RowanCramer Do we know this though? He's a God. Think about heaven and the afterlife are portrayed without death and everyone is happy. As a God he can remove boredom and sadness.
@@Miramisu but it is the knife that makes one forget, he can not do that right? to never forget, to live forever, is to be trapped in a loop for eventualy you will do everything, and then then do it again and again and again and again and forever more, the lack of an ending is the saddest thing for it is the scarcity that gives value, life without end will lose its flavor.
@@Miramisu life burns bright because it burns, life is valued since it can end.
The funny thing is, Shifty turns out to be right... Both endings in which you kill her, you end up with a broken world, where every living thing is either cursed to relive their lives over and over again, or exists in the eternal stagnation, just like in the Happily Ever After ending.
Shifty is overbearing for sure, but she's absolutely right. Which totally makes sense, since she's literally an aspect of creation.
Head canon
@@CloverKyngNo. It's the truth
Yeah. Reardless of how you feel about her or what she says or how she says it, she is still right. However, the Happily Ever After ending is different because in the narrator's world, everyone would forget everything before doing it again.
@@reubensalter8125 i meant what was happening in case you stay in the cabin with the princess in the Damsel root. They added this ending in the update. Narrator there realizes that he made a "horrible mistake", while watching LQ and SM, meaning that version of him understood that constant existence without change would be hell.
@@brainworm232 Yeah I know what you meant. But the one thing that made it different was in his ideal world everyone wouldn't get bored of doing the same thing over and over because they'd be forgetting every time they finish it
About obtaining this ending: do you need routes where you slay the princess in the final chapter or can you also get this ending by getting one in which you slay the princess in a previous chapter (Spectre, Tower-Fury, ETC.)?
I got it with the tower-fury and the grey so I think it’s just a few outcomes from each big route that allow it
Dying at the same time works - I got a red one from burning Grey "I was watching you burn".
And some rejections also count - like tossing the head in the Cage. "You always need me, but I don't need you"
Basicly, It Has to Be 5 Vessels that Ended With Hostilitys
Why nobody says anything about the fact that a world without the embodiment of Change (like the one at 17:14) would never allow new births?
No more babies, meaning no more cries and fears, but also no more growth and joy.
No more learning, because learning means making mistakes and then struggling to realize what was wrong in what you did.
No more arts, because creating something anew would be destroying something to make something else.
All those events require the possibility to carry out so many changes that would be never be possible in that Brave New World.
Sure, that world would tolerate enough changes to allow movement and the pacing of life (the workings of life is based on continuous changes), meaning that survival would be guaranteed, but just that. It seems to me a gray world for misanthropists.
Yeah, also I think the voices carried a part of what needed to to be a part of you which can explain why that ending is different with the voices have that red background
@miche9611 People make really big assumptions that there would be enough change for conventional life and consciousness at all I find. You can pretty easily break down the Narrarators arguments over context to find him unreliable. Change for consciousness, the impulse of your nerves and blood is very much in the larger scald of change.
@@travislyonsgary To support it even more it says that the new world is ever moving without interuptions, this could mislead the player into thinking that life is still going to continue, but there technically nothing important and meaningfull to live a life without deaths and interuptions.
@@travislyonsgary Right. That Brave New World would be totally alien to us. No conventional life would be possible. Still, some imitation of life may have some place there. Dolls in place of people, like in Westworld. The point is: would some of the people living into the prior universe have their consciousness back in the new one? If so, sooner or later that new reality would become a "living" everlasting hell, at least by their prior standards.
And that only because that f***ing egocentric mad scientist who made the construct and the AI known as "the Narrator" thought he could decide what was right and what was not for everyone else.
We keep trying to examine how imprecise the tear between LQ & SM is, but nobody seems to remember that the Narrator was careful enough to make an imprecise split specifically to avoid the agony of stagnation
this new dawn ending actually made me smile, I never smiled in this game till before this, I can finally rest now having found my version of happiness
Why a black hole and the sea?
I get the other ending of the sun very close and you being alone with the voices but why this is different? 17:23
the ending of the fight where we choose to destroy her feels a bit anticlimactic, doesn't it? like, we just press a button and pop she goes, vanishing into nowhere
That's the whole point. We just erased the concept of change itself from existence. It was never going to be anything more than that. It's exatcly as if it doesn't exist.
I mean her death was the final change. Existence to non-existence.
@@reubensalter8125 i get that we erase her from existence, my problem is how abrupt it is - one moment she's here, next she ain't, music stops and we transition to next scene, she doesn't even get to say any last words
@@giogio51592 It's supposed to be abrupt. That's what should happen to the very concepts that define the world we live in - they cease to exist like they never even existed in the first place. Like the last change ever made was the erasure of change itself.
Same here, I wished that there were at least a bit more of narration or a sequence like the other ending with the VoHero who shows some sketches of the woods and the cabin before going to talk with the princess.
With the Pristine Cut you can't get the ending with the burning sun anymore? I don't have the game just relying on gameplays
You should still be able to, just don't pick the red options all five times, go to the cabin, take the knife, and slay the princess.
@@CrankyTemplar Oh okay
@@CrankyTemplarDo some of the routes not have red options?
@@ReadilyAvailibleChomper You only get the red options from certain choices in routes that are basically slaying the princess (the stranger gives a red option by default). Since you need to pick all five of them it's not something you'll get unless specifically going for it.
Were people clamouring for an end like this? Seems a bit unnecessary alongside the others, though I don’t know what I’d suggest for a new ending
People wanted more, and they got it, people wanted more choices, they got it.
@@indie_gamer7The devs also wanted more - and they delivered. They delivered hard.
To be honest, I thought the new ending was going to be that TLQ somehow finds a way to end himself and let Shifty be the only god. Or an ending where they both exist but it'll be like a divorced relationship instead of being together. But I guess that's what the oblivion ending is, huh? They just both die.
I personally think it's unnecessary since the New Dawn (all voices hate you) ending is pretty much the worst one in my eyes. This one is practically the same but you're COMPLETELY alone and everything is stagnate. It's honestly worse because there is no one to accompany you at all.
Idk, I was fine with another bad ending with Shifty having problems of her universes dying too fast or something. Plus, it finally gives her absolute control for once instead of TLQ making choices for her. Idk. There's definitely way more potential.
@@maybeimtorn5712 But it's fine because oblivion is still worse - there really are worse things to be alone. And you still have that piece of her inside you so you're not truly alone.
And the devs wouldn't have made it like this if it weren't for a reason.
I like it because it was kinda strange you couldn’t slay the shifting mound without a voice when TLQ is a god of equal power. plus the game’s theme of choice and breaking harmful patterns of behavior is stronger knowing TLQ could put an end to shifty on his own, but chooses not to.
5:34 i always laugh at her face lol
Ending seems good. Don't know why the nihilists in the comment section like to do head cannons. Though I guess that's society nowadays. Thanks for uploading.
For someone, who so says "there's no death, only transformation", the Princess is too mad about being destroyed and the world transformed and maintained without her.
Even Narrator can see his flaws and accept his mistakes, but SM just believes she is important
which is why the best ending is "she's no fun, let's ditch her" with the core princess xD
A new thought came to me when the update come. It is about what we and the princess was before the Construct:
We are the single unchanging law of the universe: Everything will change
Then the Narrator came with his Construct and separated the law and its content so he can achieve eternity. In the ending we step out with just us and the princess, the law and the contents remain separated but they still somehow coexist which will create a new universes that is unknown to both of them
Maybe that's because she has a part of us inside her, that is stagnation? And maybe that's because she is actually right in her important? Isn't that what the whole fight is about - her importance to the universe itself?
Plus words are difficult for her.
@@iepvienredstoneHuy007Or they'll just return to the laws and contents eventually and allow things to play out as they normally would.
@@reubensalter8125 I don't think so. The Narrator has royally fucked up and given thought to these concepts. He has created gods with qualities similar to him. That means immensely powerful beings with opinions and ideas. This is a disaster no matter what.
Can you get the new ending even if you meet the stranger first or do you need the five red dialogues?
I'm not 100% sure as I haven't tested that myself.
You need 5 red I believe
The god of eternity or stasis wants to stay with the god of change forever, but that eternity must end because of the god of change. The princess needs change, she doesn't want eternity even if she loves The Long Quiet. She will seek a way to end this or escape from the unchanging world. as shown by other endings were she leaves after saying 'it's cold'.
Wait, so in the pristine cut, in the cabin conversation ending, is it no longer possible for the princess to call you “hero”? Did that get removed in the pristine cut?😯
I think I've only been called quiet by her, even before the pristine cut.
@@CrankyTemplarreally? every time ive played before the update she called quiet a hero
It is still possible, dependent on the decision to take/not take the blade on your very first iteration out of the five, THEN AT THE END choosing to not take the blade in the final cabin no matter what.
Blade = "Hero", No Blade = "Quiet"
wait... water planet from interstellar?
Wait...what happened to the voices in the no-princess ending?
They were sent to live with the Princess on a farm further north in the construct where they'll be free to romp and play to their heart's content.
I don't really get the point of the show mercy option. Since you still end up inside her. The voice of the hero jumps in saying the same stuff about "how you can't do this alone" which is nonsense as you were clearly overpowering her. It would have been interesting if she had accepted a servial role or something with you as the ruling power of your new reality. Either that or just absorb her entirely and become corrupted with her perspective on things.
she soloes fiction
People who like the new ending (to the point it's their favorite ending) are kinda missing the point, I feel.
That's what selfishness, ignorance and laziness do at their best. (But it's still an intriguing perspective though.)
Let people experience their own things
I hate when people say stuff like this. Your allowed to interpret things your own way.
Nihilism has no thought for the future. Let's not spread such things.
And people who don't like that are also missing the other point - that there are no wrong decisions
How can i come to different similar endings?
What do you mean?
@@CrankyTemplar What conditions must be met in order to achieve new options for dialogue with her?
End routes with carrying out slaying the princess (so the Thorn route doesn't work because even if you choose to slay her, the thorns stop you). The Stranger gives the red text by default. The Drowned/Burned Grey also do. You need to resolve five routes this way and pick all of the red options to get the new ending.
@@CrankyTemplar Sounds like a bad ending
Todo esto es nuevo?
What is supposed to be the difference between this ending and the new dawn ending?
You are alone.
the new ending is my favorite ending feels like a good ending to me
This new ending felt rushed
If it did then it's supposed to. It's supposed to be unfulfilling, if you want to be.
@@reubensalter8125 Why tho? This ending isn’t much different from the regular slay ending you just kill her in true form instead of the ‘core’, so why they made it so unfulfilling
@@djmewtwo6981 Not really. The voices are gone and there's better symbolism over what our new world looks like. It kinda is like an ocean when you think about it.
And to answer the "why", it's all about perspective really, isn't it? I've given mine.
Plus, anything is indeed better than the oblivion ending.
@@reubensalter8125 actually he's right, this ending just suddenly pops up, they forgot to add animations or something, or at least some text saying the MC just instantly yeeted her outta existence to explain the instant transmission lmao
@@Pulowski They didn't forget to add animations at all. Plus they even said animations take considerable amounts of time and effort and money. And they know exactly what they're doing otherwise they wouldn't have put it in there.
And also it makes sense that she just disappears, especially since she was having an identity crisis based on the dialogue. Isn't that what destroying an actual concept is supposed to look like?
And it doesn't just "pop up" it requires you to make certain choices during curtains routes.