It’s nice to see a bunch of options on the market, it’s also very educational to know the origins of this in terms of D/A hardware. Thanks for that. I only found the demonstration itself to be lacking any real value to me. Just playing audio through a limiter and switching Clippers on/off at 12db (or whatever you set it to) tells us very little other than that they are doing ‘something’. Great, but it leaves me with way more questions than answers. These products are built for real world Mastering applications, and understanding these products in that sweet spot is the real value to understanding the differences between one and the other. For example, Clipping transients that are only a few samples long can often give you back headroom with nearly zero perceptual difference, which at the mastering level is how we’d use these products. So why not demonstrate some of this? As a potential consumer trying to purchase one (or at most two) that work the best for me, this is why I’m seeking out videos like yours. Maybe food for thought? Good to have a list of products though, so thanks, but I’ll keep searching for the video I wanted to see.
I have just gotten the TDR Limiter 6 GE, not used it much just yet. I also have Venomode Maximal 3, a limiter with an input clipper. The one I use right now on my Studio One 6.5+ 2 bus as an insert is the LVC Clipped-MAX. I send that clipped signal into LVC Limited-MAX. The limiter is just to make certain peaks don't go over my -1.0 ceiling.
And yes, I'm aware I haven't put out a video in months. I'm hoping to rectify that soon. I've had both a) a shedload of personal stuff crop up that's drained a lot of my time and b) I'm heads-down on the new Klack record...it's almost done! It's so close!
Regarding Box Big CLipper 2, I think you have a high pass filter at 200Hz, which could explain why it doesn’t clip as much as the other clippers, it must let peaks below 200 Hz unclipped.
Same. Was blown away after years of finding and detailed comparing almost every clippers/limiters in vst (DMG, l2, Softube Weiss, Elixir, AOM and so on). All of them muffles and degrade material more or less. Ash makes it sound like what you finally can name «mastered» in some very natural way.
Alas I didn't have Ash when I made this video. I'd have like to have added it to the shootout. To be honest Im always a bit hesitant to pull the trigger on any Acustica plugins - I had a few not long ago and they were so bloated and their UIs were so kludgy that they were borderline unusable. I hope they've improved since then but it really did leave a bad taste in my mouth, and the recent revelations about their copy protection still leaves me gunshy.
May i ask what you mean when clipping with the Tdr 6 Limiter clipping module you say „it shows 3 db but i know i am clipping more“ , why would the meter lie ? I consider Tdr plugins to be among the best when it comes down to reliability thats why i am asking. Btw Saturate is not multiband. To the summary, yes they all are very similar. Thats my conclusion over the years. We have a lot of productions at -2 -3 lufs so clipping is here to stay (for now). There is a lot of „incredible loudness“ as you say. I personally find everything „louder than -7, -8 lufs to be very fatiguing
I...honestly don't remember why I made that statement. I think I might have been reacting to the fast response of the needle in L6, which can make it a little difficult to get an exact reading. But I might have been thinking of something else. I need to stick to my script and not ad-lib. :) Most of the time I try not to really exceed -9, -10LUFS - there's little point in going hotter than that unless it's for some specific effect, and as you say, anything louder that about 8 is just tiring. In these cases clipping probably doesn't get you a whole lot that limiting couldn't, other than a better transient response. I find myself using clipping a lot more for client work than for my own, since when I'm dealing with my own mixes I can manage the gain staging and transient stuff at the mix stage and don't really have to worry about it so much in the master.
@@nulldeviceband i hear ya. Dont worry, my life consists of things i cant remember what and why i tried to say in the first place and then people look at me funny :-)
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Thanks so much for this video. I use Logic and am trying to decide which soft clipper to get and this was so helpful. Subbed!
Phat fx does it and for free! Also all the compressors have a clip mode on them too.
It’s nice to see a bunch of options on the market, it’s also very educational to know the origins of this in terms of D/A hardware. Thanks for that.
I only found the demonstration itself to be lacking any real value to me. Just playing audio through a limiter and switching Clippers on/off at 12db (or whatever you set it to) tells us very little other than that they are doing ‘something’. Great, but it leaves me with way more questions than answers. These products are built for real world Mastering applications, and understanding these products in that sweet spot is the real value to understanding the differences between one and the other. For example, Clipping transients that are only a few samples long can often give you back headroom with nearly zero perceptual difference, which at the mastering level is how we’d use these products. So why not demonstrate some of this? As a potential consumer trying to purchase one (or at most two) that work the best for me, this is why I’m seeking out videos like yours.
Maybe food for thought? Good to have a list of products though, so thanks, but I’ll keep searching for the video I wanted to see.
I have just gotten the TDR Limiter 6 GE, not used it much just yet. I also have Venomode Maximal 3, a limiter with an input clipper. The one I use right now on my Studio One 6.5+ 2 bus as an insert is the LVC Clipped-MAX. I send that clipped signal into LVC Limited-MAX. The limiter is just to make certain peaks don't go over my -1.0 ceiling.
And yes, I'm aware I haven't put out a video in months. I'm hoping to rectify that soon. I've had both a) a shedload of personal stuff crop up that's drained a lot of my time and b) I'm heads-down on the new Klack record...it's almost done! It's so close!
Regarding Box Big CLipper 2, I think you have a high pass filter at 200Hz, which could explain why it doesn’t clip as much as the other clippers, it must let peaks below 200 Hz unclipped.
Ash is the best I’ve tried
Same. Was blown away after years of finding and detailed comparing almost every clippers/limiters in vst (DMG, l2, Softube Weiss, Elixir, AOM and so on). All of them muffles and degrade material more or less. Ash makes it sound like what you finally can name «mastered» in some very natural way.
Alas I didn't have Ash when I made this video. I'd have like to have added it to the shootout. To be honest Im always a bit hesitant to pull the trigger on any Acustica plugins - I had a few not long ago and they were so bloated and their UIs were so kludgy that they were borderline unusable. I hope they've improved since then but it really did leave a bad taste in my mouth, and the recent revelations about their copy protection still leaves me gunshy.
May i ask what you mean when clipping with the Tdr 6 Limiter clipping module you say „it shows 3 db but i know i am clipping more“ , why would the meter lie ? I consider Tdr plugins to be among the best when it comes down to reliability thats why i am asking.
Btw Saturate is not multiband. To the summary, yes they all are very similar. Thats my conclusion over the years.
We have a lot of productions at -2 -3 lufs so clipping is here to stay (for now). There is a lot of „incredible loudness“ as you say.
I personally find everything „louder than -7, -8 lufs to be very fatiguing
I...honestly don't remember why I made that statement. I think I might have been reacting to the fast response of the needle in L6, which can make it a little difficult to get an exact reading. But I might have been thinking of something else. I need to stick to my script and not ad-lib. :)
Most of the time I try not to really exceed -9, -10LUFS - there's little point in going hotter than that unless it's for some specific effect, and as you say, anything louder that about 8 is just tiring. In these cases clipping probably doesn't get you a whole lot that limiting couldn't, other than a better transient response. I find myself using clipping a lot more for client work than for my own, since when I'm dealing with my own mixes I can manage the gain staging and transient stuff at the mix stage and don't really have to worry about it so much in the master.
@@nulldeviceband i hear ya. Dont worry, my life consists of things i cant remember what and why i tried to say in the first place and then people look at me funny :-)