Find his Amek 9099 null video. I liked how relatable it was, talking about how he bought a plugin or two that he kind of regretted from a PA sale. (I’ve been there. Masterdesk Pro).
Oh, it's Wytse who banned me from his channel because I said he wasn't independent anymore and that he just does adverts for his affiliate links... how's that going?
@@tonruscan dude, I'm not his social affiliate manager, so I can't tell, because I haven't used any of his links tho. So why do you cryout at random people about his business?
The section from 18:00 onwards is such a good way to represent the problem of folks "analysing" plugins. I'm going to be linking that section to many people!
Already switched the All-Pass-Filter in and out behind the scenes... Dan is really getting tired of too many people trying to bs themselves XD Love it! Always staying two steps ahead ;D (Careful dumb audio Joke incoming) Sounds Like Dan got his own Lookahead setting dialled to the max XD
"magick audiophile pebbles aligned with ley lines"... the woo-woo audiophile razz in this scroll is next level. thank you always for being a voice of reason, I used to work in the 'High End' consumer audio industry and some of the shit that came out of people's mouths, from both electro-mechanical engineers and lay-person customers alike, was so eye watering-ly stupid it was actually exhilarating.
@@DanWorrall Very interesting. Do you know why the drifting took place? Is it because of the processing internally, perhaps enumerating the channels very fast, but still introducing some latency of a couple of samples? Did you have to align the peaks manually? Thanks for your effort, it was worth the educational bonus.
@@basroos_snafu I think just tiny inaccuracies in frequency, which would never matter except in a case like this. My solution was to generate them using Reaktor's sine bank module (I think that's what it's called) which is specifically designed for additive synthesis. Then set it to produce one partial at a time.
And there 're other annoying digital non-linearities to account for like freq delays... Music mixed by musicians, often it kinda suffers , trying to do everything yourself and have no one to learn from, unlike in a pro studio, it's much more difficult than you thought it was! Deleting comments & hacking existing ones , nice channel! Job insecurities.
@@MrPete0282 hurr durr damn the millennials because they mix their own music on a laptop! Get over it, there are people who swear by hardware and consoles and there are people who wins Grammy using only Waves.
@@XiyuYang So one idiot calls me a boomer all of a sudden i need to let millennials do their thing with laptops and whatnot... lmao yeah very boomer much anti-millennial u triggered or waves spam bot? I'm sure i did not mention age. Sure buy waves.. buy 2 plugins get 1 Grammy for free, offer stands only if you 're under 38 years of age (or whatever the definitive threshold of generations the experts seem to disagree), forbidden for boomers who mix only in analog consoles like me. Thanks for the laughs!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Luckiky I’ve got a decent drive home in a bit so I. An live it up. I’ve always wondered how well my car’s auto braking system works anyways.
What makes these videos truly be in a class of their own is that they give me the feeling that Dan has just as much fun talking about these topics as we enjoy listening
This is brilliant and helpful stuff - and even though I try to make really simple testing of plugins available on my website, it is always to encourage people to do their own testing and evaluations. His section about how nonlinear modeling will totally mess with linear analysis is such a worthwhile and easy-to-understand explanation! Tests always have their own limitations to be aware of, but they also allow you to quickly determine which plugins are masquerading as "analog" or where there are flaws. One of the few things on youtube I wish I would have created!! Thank you, Dan!
The only thing I like about your vids better that the clear logic of the analysis presented, is the the bone dry wit and the dripping wet sarcasm you frost the delivery with so well. I am always in the mood to get the most out of what I have been working on by any and all means when I watch your vids. Thanks.
Perhaps THE best video ever in the entire audio community! I wish everyone just watched this (including the plugin devs)!! I would love a detailed video on hearing as well, as that is something i’ve been wondering about for a long time. How the decoding works, how we should prepare for a mixing session, what biases we have, and mostly just a lot of demonstrations on how easy it is to fool the ears. So that the next time we end up in a debate with an audiophile or ”believer” engineer we can just link the video. :) amazing work Dan! Thank you!!! ❤
Great song title for his one, Dan. And hugely validating video as well. This is all stuff I've picked up slowly over the years, either from you, or from my own tests working on my own DSP. Realizing what is and is not a valid result, and how to do blind tests, as well as the all important "but do I like what I hear in context" tests.
One minor correction: Using a linear phase filter is *not* a guarantee that you will not increase peak levels either. Try EQing a (gently band limited to round off the corners and avoid true peak excursion) square wave to cut off all but the fundamental with a linear phase EQ. Depending on exactly what filter you use, you can wind up with a +2dB increase in peaks. Peak level just doesn't mean anything once you introduce EQ in any form, even without phase shift. The peaks are, after all, a time domain phenomenon, and there's no telling what will happen to them when you introduce frequency-dependent processing.
Proud student of DWU! Dan Worral University. Awesome video. While this was a FF sponsored video, DDMF should’ve pitched in since you taught us how to properly use Plug-In Doctor. Many thanks Dan! Will watch again and again.
I watched a video the other day by a bafflingly popular TH-camr that had me pulling my hair out when he loaded up Plugin Doctor. Thanks for this video. It’s helping all of us become better informed engineers and hopefully more selective in who we choose to devote our time and attention to.
Thanks Dan. I'll be back to watch this again. I love the blind test. I think I will be asking audio techs to take the test in front of me often, from now on.
I love Bertom EQ analyzer (which is free), it is a VST and analyze the FX chains. It do have less feature but it is a good alternative. Also for null testing, I have made a JS effect to detect silence, which is cool to be sure there is absolutely no difference at all. JS: Silence Meter it is called. Thx for the video! All the harmonics analysis in PD seems indeed very cool!!
@@eegoal Ok but it doesnt analyze the chain, it still works with the Load VST button. Bertom EQ analyzer works withthe FX chain in the DAW (it need two instances, one to geenrate sound before FX, and one for analysing the modified sounds post fx)
Upcoming music producer here, this video is simply amazing! This is a life saver for people out there like me who self-teach... I was not aware of many of the issues plugins could have been doing to my mixes before this video. Thanks Dan!
Thanks for the validation that I never once fell down this rabbit hole, and have forever used the blind bypass switch method. I mainly watched this video because you are entertaining.
Amazing work as always Dan! I loved that the video is essentially a one hour long prelude to the classic "if it sounds good, it is good", which in the end is truly the only rule there is
A full hour (plus) of balls-to-the-wall nerding out! I'm all in! I enjoyed the science, the math and the off-the cuff humor (as always). The magic pebbles and ley lines comment was priceless. But most of all, I enjoyed the proper way to compare compressors and the only test that matters.
Hi Dan, Have you ever used the browser add on, "Audio Compressor"? I use it in both Chrome and Firefox for youtube/movies/Twitch/etc. However for videos like yours, I have to turn it off because I'm hitting it fairly hard and the best creators already have mixed down to professional standards. I would love to know more about this, plug-in(?), and what is driving it, how it works with windows, etc. It doesn't work on some pages like embedded video and specifically Twitch Clips comes to mind. On Twitch clips the audio will just be not present requiring a refresh of the page. Not sure if you'll ever tackle this but thought it might make a decent shorter video.
This is an incredible video. As someone who, in the distant past, got a master's degree focusing on signal processing and recently has gotten into writing and mixing music it's such good info. Thanks for approaching the material from both the mathematical/scientific side and from the musical side. Amazingly high-quality content.
3:10 two files that null perfectly can’t sound different. But two files that don’t null perfectly can sound perfectly identical. Thanks for the video. Great content. Very informative
Whenever a new Dan's video comes up I always learn new things but I have a real question.........WTF do you know all these!!!!!!😅I am truly gobsmacked and jealous of your deep knowledge💙
I always learn something useful and interesting watching your vids. And, when I return, I learn a bit more, probably because the first time I watch, I am out of my technical depth. Slowly, however, more of it sits in place. So I want to thank you for these vids, and this one must have taken some time to make.
Null test on oversampling can always be done, no matter if it is linear-phase or not. Create two tracks, with both an instance with oversampling and an instance without oversampling (4 in total). Apply the effect on oversampled instance in track one, and on non-oversampled instance on track two. Phase shift are compensated. And supernatural clean mastering mode on pro-c2 happens when compressor use some hidden hold function or an equivalent release filter with at least 4-pole lowpass structure. You can see its hold-like behaviour on transient test with long release (and boost volume for easier observation).
Hey Dan, could you have a look at PI from Sound Radix? It's supposed to dynamically adjust the phase rotation of individual tracks in comparison to others to minimize destructive interference. It'd be really interesting to see how it works (delay or rotation) and if there are any problems with it :)
Another fine set of considerations. Thank you for all your contributions to the legacy of excellent audio for music. Also, I never tire of dunking on audiophiles. Now that I think about it, Dave Rat rather gracefully didn't shit on them in a recent video and I was actually inspired by his approach. He said something along the lines of, "Not everyone is going for studio accuracy in their speaker or listening space. Sometimes it's cool just to own a piece of art that goes with the room." I'm not saying this to criticize your tact. I was simply reminded by my original comment and really do like that I hadn't heard it stated like that before. In my heart of hearts, I align with your sentiment perfectly. A null test would produce complete cancelation.
I made it all the way to the end of the video! Thanks again Dan! Have a question: Should we manually calibrate everyone of our plugins before mixing, and if so, how would you recommend we go about doing this task?
One thing worth noting is that even though two bits of audio can be identical and null perfectly, there can be an audible difference based on how speakers react positively/negatively. Try this on a kick drum, the difference can be pretty obvious
One question though: The aliasing of compressors for sure would be more audible when using extreme attack and release times though, right? And probably less so with oversampling?
This is interesting…but is it possible that your null test doesn’t account for a delayed signal that is otherwise identical to the input? Or is a simple one- or more-sample delay considered altering a signal?
Great vid Dan. I feel like every studio engineer or producer would benefit from doing some FOH or monitors engineering. Unless you're on a console with a display like an M7 or Midas (which most small venues won't) you're never gonna get bogged down by the numbers and even if you are on a console with more plugin style effects and a digital display, you're generally watching the band not the board. Really forces you to be more listening focussed and also fast (sound checks last minutes, not weeks). Anyone can basically sign up to most venues as a Cazzy (Casual Technical) which is basically a zero hour contract and you'll probably get some work after shadowing for a while. I've worked at dozens of venues and done countless tours and there's always noobs on the crew. Because it pays so poorly they're generally desperate for extra hands and if you're on the list you'll definitely end up getting a call once someone inevitably has a sick day. I wouldn't advise it as a career though lol. Not unless you want to be permanently knackered and skint.
Dan, wonderful work. And also thanks to FabFilter, who did the whole audio industry a service by sponsering this vid. Yes, debunking myths help them of course, but it also helps all the other honest plugin makers. I don't have their plugs, so I'm not speaking as a fan boy, just respect where it's due.
Well watched the whole video, watched the part with "why eq cuts get louder" twice... Very nice video again learned a lot but also have to watch sections again at least 3-4 times...i still don't get the part with harmonic anaw and Hammerstein...i use harmonic dist. Frequently And I like what it does but the way it was displayed by doctor confused me...aliasing also have to watch this really again because I think this is the best video in TH-cam for people mixing on there computer...thanks a lot Dan❤️👍
Not sure if you have read Angelo Farina's papers about using exponential sine sweeps for measuring distortion characteristics. But basically the reason why he uses exponential sine sweeps is that he can then turn them into the IRs of the individual harmonics -- i.e. in cases where he does indeed want to know how exactly the system is distorting the signal, this method allows him to separate the component IRs from each other, provided the reverberation time is short enough (the IRs of the harmonics are located at exact time positions relative to the actual linear IR).
"that sophisticated, complex, powerful tool in our heads" Dan Worrel then proceeds to destroy mine with ultra-brain knowledge and insights. you sunk my battleship. :( owie. great content as always, Dan. Now i have to sit and process all of this for a couple of months.
The main enemy to me completing a mix lays within what you said about conative bias. I often close my eyes when making changes, so as to not be influenced by my sight, but sometimes struggle to stay awake and start nodding off if I am getting a bit tired at the time! 😴😂
A one hour Dan Worrall video? Hell yes!
This is real treat
Comfy chair 💺 popcorn 🍿 headphones 🎧 READY 😊
Yuppp
Find his Amek 9099 null video. I liked how relatable it was, talking about how he bought a plugin or two that he kind of regretted from a PA sale.
(I’ve been there. Masterdesk Pro).
You’ve literally saved me a lot of hours about things I still wanted to study 😊🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
just came up and thought of mentioning your channel :D
Oh, it's Wytse who banned me from his channel because I said he wasn't independent anymore and that he just does adverts for his affiliate links... how's that going?
@@tonruscan Some things are just not what you think it is.
@@tonruscan dude, I'm not his social affiliate manager, so I can't tell, because I haven't used any of his links tho. So why do you cryout at random people about his business?
Why does White Sea paint his nails?💅
Does he have a daughter who does it?
The section from 18:00 onwards is such a good way to represent the problem of folks "analysing" plugins. I'm going to be linking that section to many people!
goat
SO is plugin doctor any good?'
So very satisfying that the first sine wave test tone was in tune with the key of the song that preceeded it. Serious game.
It wasn't actually planned. But the music was in D, and the test tone defaults to A=440Hz, and yes that was satisfying :)
@@DanWorrall The unconscious competence of pro engineers
@@raphaelkuttruf good point
Already switched the All-Pass-Filter in and out behind the scenes...
Dan is really getting tired of too many people trying to bs themselves XD
Love it!
Always staying two steps ahead ;D
(Careful dumb audio Joke incoming) Sounds Like Dan got his own Lookahead setting dialled to the max XD
You got the smile out of me with that joke. ;D
@@anteshell thanks!
That's all I wanted.
This is a good day!
That was a good one
Eagerly awaiting the Fabfilter Pro-DW, with up to 32000ms of lookahead 😂
That's a good one, made me smile 😂
"magick audiophile pebbles aligned with ley lines"... the woo-woo audiophile razz in this scroll is next level. thank you always for being a voice of reason, I used to work in the 'High End' consumer audio industry and some of the shit that came out of people's mouths, from both electro-mechanical engineers and lay-person customers alike, was so eye watering-ly stupid it was actually exhilarating.
I love the saw tooth recreation, Dan! A simple and elegant (yet immensely powerful) demonstration of basic audio principles.
It was surprisingly difficult to generate sine waves that didn't drift out of phase as I was talking!
@@DanWorrall I'm glad you pulled it off. I feel smarter after watching the demonstration of your hand made phase shift causing increased peak levels
@@DanWorrall Very interesting. Do you know why the drifting took place? Is it because of the processing internally, perhaps enumerating the channels very fast, but still introducing some latency of a couple of samples? Did you have to align the peaks manually? Thanks for your effort, it was worth the educational bonus.
@@basroos_snafu I think just tiny inaccuracies in frequency, which would never matter except in a case like this. My solution was to generate them using Reaktor's sine bank module (I think that's what it's called) which is specifically designed for additive synthesis. Then set it to produce one partial at a time.
@@DanWorrall Thank you for your answer, and effort again and again. Nice you came up with the solution as well. Enjoy your weekend!
I'm in the middle of mixing and saw notification for this vid, glad I know my priority, mixing can wait.
Thank you for all that you do. Your channel is incredible and I really appreciate you sharing your expertise with all of us.
funny seeing you here, and yes, I absolutely agree!
This is basically my 2 years of Masters degree learning in Music Technology in 1 hour.
And there 're other annoying digital non-linearities to account for like freq delays...
Music mixed by musicians, often it kinda suffers , trying to do everything yourself and have no one to learn from, unlike in a pro studio, it's much more difficult than you thought it was!
Deleting comments & hacking existing ones , nice channel! Job insecurities.
@@MrPete0282 i love when boomers just ramble, what a mess of paragraphs
@@MrPete0282 hurr durr damn the millennials because they mix their own music on a laptop!
Get over it, there are people who swear by hardware and consoles and there are people who wins Grammy using only Waves.
@@XiyuYang So one idiot calls me a boomer all of a sudden i need to let millennials do their thing with laptops and whatnot... lmao yeah very boomer much anti-millennial u triggered or waves spam bot? I'm sure i did not mention age. Sure buy waves.. buy 2 plugins get 1 Grammy for free, offer stands only if you 're under 38 years of age (or whatever the definitive threshold of generations the experts seem to disagree), forbidden for boomers who mix only in analog consoles like me. Thanks for the laughs!
School is for a piece of paper, you can do it all on here.
DAN PLEASE DON’T DO THIS I HAVE WORK TO DO TODAY😭
I laughed so hard just now at this comment because it’s so relatable. 😂😂😂
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Luckiky I’ve got a decent drive home in a bit so I. An live it up. I’ve always wondered how well my car’s auto braking system works anyways.
impulse driven
I lost it at this comment hahahaha
I watched the video after I read your comment ... agree ...
finally a one hour video that i have been waiting from Dan Worrall! these tests are mind blowing
What makes these videos truly be in a class of their own is that they give me the feeling that Dan has just as much fun talking about these topics as we enjoy listening
Glad to be back Dan. Hope you're good.
This was one of the best DW videos so far. Pure gold from start to finish. Do not underestimate how much effort went into this video.
I learned more in the last hour than I have learned in the last two years of my music mixing journey. THANKS FOR THIS!
This is brilliant and helpful stuff - and even though I try to make really simple testing of plugins available on my website, it is always to encourage people to do their own testing and evaluations. His section about how nonlinear modeling will totally mess with linear analysis is such a worthwhile and easy-to-understand explanation!
Tests always have their own limitations to be aware of, but they also allow you to quickly determine which plugins are masquerading as "analog" or where there are flaws.
One of the few things on youtube I wish I would have created!! Thank you, Dan!
The only thing I like about your vids better that the clear logic of the analysis presented, is the the bone dry wit and the dripping wet sarcasm you frost the delivery with so well. I am always in the mood to get the most out of what I have been working on by any and all means when I watch your vids. Thanks.
The depth of information in this video is beyond amazing
Made it all the way to end Dan! And I will watch it again. You’ve taught more here in 1 hr 11 mins that an entire “audio” school. Thank you!
Perhaps THE best video ever in the entire audio community! I wish everyone just watched this (including the plugin devs)!! I would love a detailed video on hearing as well, as that is something i’ve been wondering about for a long time. How the decoding works, how we should prepare for a mixing session, what biases we have, and mostly just a lot of demonstrations on how easy it is to fool the ears. So that the next time we end up in a debate with an audiophile or ”believer” engineer we can just link the video. :) amazing work Dan! Thank you!!! ❤
Great song title for his one, Dan. And hugely validating video as well. This is all stuff I've picked up slowly over the years, either from you, or from my own tests working on my own DSP. Realizing what is and is not a valid result, and how to do blind tests, as well as the all important "but do I like what I hear in context" tests.
@@mal2ksc Is that a play on words or a song title of Dan's that I missed?
One minor correction: Using a linear phase filter is *not* a guarantee that you will not increase peak levels either. Try EQing a (gently band limited to round off the corners and avoid true peak excursion) square wave to cut off all but the fundamental with a linear phase EQ. Depending on exactly what filter you use, you can wind up with a +2dB increase in peaks.
Peak level just doesn't mean anything once you introduce EQ in any form, even without phase shift. The peaks are, after all, a time domain phenomenon, and there's no telling what will happen to them when you introduce frequency-dependent processing.
Woah, MARCAN is here? 😮
Love your work Dan, it's always a good day when I get to wrap my eyes and ears around another one of your videos :)
Hour long deep dive, even allowed both ads to play without skipping!
Thanks
The work you put into these vids is incredible. I always learn something new.
PS: Reaper's Delta solo is a real treat, I use that all the time.
Cheers
This channel clears out most of the clutter. Priceless.
Proud student of DWU! Dan Worral University. Awesome video. While this was a FF sponsored video, DDMF should’ve pitched in since you taught us how to properly use Plug-In Doctor. Many thanks Dan! Will watch again and again.
This was a delightful video. And the conclusion at the end is right on the money. Thanks Dan!
Dan's first feature-length film. Love it.
I watched a video the other day by a bafflingly popular TH-camr that had me pulling my hair out when he loaded up Plugin Doctor. Thanks for this video. It’s helping all of us become better informed engineers and hopefully more selective in who we choose to devote our time and attention to.
oh, this one is going on repeat for a while! thanks Dan & FabFilter team!!!
Thanks Dan. I'll be back to watch this again. I love the blind test. I think I will be asking audio techs to take the test in front of me often, from now on.
So excited. One hour+ !!
Such a great video. I have to be somewhere in an hour but I'm glued watching this. Fantastic Dan thank you so much!
I love Bertom EQ analyzer (which is free), it is a VST and analyze the FX chains. It do have less feature but it is a good alternative.
Also for null testing, I have made a JS effect to detect silence, which is cool to be sure there is absolutely no difference at all. JS: Silence Meter it is called.
Thx for the video! All the harmonics analysis in PD seems indeed very cool!!
Plugin doctor can run inside your daw.
@@eegoal right, corrected !
@@eegoal Ok but it doesnt analyze the chain, it still works with the Load VST button. Bertom EQ analyzer works withthe FX chain in the DAW (it need two instances, one to geenrate sound before FX, and one for analysing the modified sounds post fx)
@@eegoal It doesn't run on all operating systems, where Bertom EQ does.
Thank you for making this Dan. Definitely a must watch for any audio engineer, upcoming or otherwise.
SO is plugin doctor any good?
@@rickythethirdyes.
Popular opinion: learned more in 1 hour than in my last 10 years of pondering. Only complaint? The video wasn't long enough.
ah I was dangerously close to going out for a run. Thankyou for the procrastination opportunity!
Stay focused bro, listen to the video on your run or in the gym, there‘s no excuse for not doing both haha
The way you explain such complex issues in such simple ways is absolutely mind-blowing. Thank you so much for helping us beginners! ❣️
Insanely useful tips thank you although the bias shots at ummmm Kirchhoff obviously was hilarious 😂
Dan returns, and it’s an hour plus video. Hell yes 🙌!!
Upcoming music producer here, this video is simply amazing! This is a life saver for people out there like me who self-teach... I was not aware of many of the issues plugins could have been doing to my mixes before this video. Thanks Dan!
Thanks for the validation that I never once fell down this rabbit hole, and have forever used the blind bypass switch method. I mainly watched this video because you are entertaining.
Insane work as always. Thank you for what you do to educate people.
I pitch shift my audio up into the Ghz range and route it through an amethyst geode for the best separation of church and state.
i love this sentence
Amazing work as always Dan! I loved that the video is essentially a one hour long prelude to the classic "if it sounds good, it is good", which in the end is truly the only rule there is
After listening to this on a loop for 3 days, I can now speak fluent Russian and have mastered nuclear fission using only stock plugins.
A full hour (plus) of balls-to-the-wall nerding out! I'm all in! I enjoyed the science, the math and the off-the cuff humor (as always). The magic pebbles and ley lines comment was priceless. But most of all, I enjoyed the proper way to compare compressors and the only test that matters.
Just found your channel today, and you're really helping me learn how to analyze audio, and how to model it inside my head. Thank you!
Hi Dan, Have you ever used the browser add on, "Audio Compressor"? I use it in both Chrome and Firefox for youtube/movies/Twitch/etc. However for videos like yours, I have to turn it off because I'm hitting it fairly hard and the best creators already have mixed down to professional standards. I would love to know more about this, plug-in(?), and what is driving it, how it works with windows, etc. It doesn't work on some pages like embedded video and specifically Twitch Clips comes to mind. On Twitch clips the audio will just be not present requiring a refresh of the page. Not sure if you'll ever tackle this but thought it might make a decent shorter video.
This is an incredible video. As someone who, in the distant past, got a master's degree focusing on signal processing and recently has gotten into writing and mixing music it's such good info. Thanks for approaching the material from both the mathematical/scientific side and from the musical side. Amazingly high-quality content.
The only trustful source of audio knowledge on youtube, I've learned a lot from you Dan. Thanks for taking the time to produce such as video
hahahaha
3:10 two files that null perfectly can’t sound different. But two files that don’t null perfectly can sound perfectly identical.
Thanks for the video. Great content. Very informative
I can't believe this video is available for free. Incredible presentation and information.
The timing of the music/voiceover/topic at 10:58 is superb
Well, I wanted to watch two or three minutes tonight and tomorrow watch the whole video with calm. But here am I, at 3:40 am finishing this jewel.
Notification for a new Dan Worral video pops up. 🙂
It is over an hour long. ☺
It is sponsored by FabFilter. 😀
Whenever a new Dan's video comes up I always learn new things but I have a real question.........WTF do you know all these!!!!!!😅I am truly gobsmacked and jealous of your deep knowledge💙
30 years of not having any other hobbies ;)
I always learn something useful and interesting watching your vids. And, when I return, I learn a bit more, probably because the first time I watch, I am out of my technical depth. Slowly, however, more of it sits in place. So I want to thank you for these vids, and this one must have taken some time to make.
Null test on oversampling can always be done, no matter if it is linear-phase or not. Create two tracks, with both an instance with oversampling and an instance without oversampling (4 in total). Apply the effect on oversampled instance in track one, and on non-oversampled instance on track two. Phase shift are compensated.
And supernatural clean mastering mode on pro-c2 happens when compressor use some hidden hold function or an equivalent release filter with at least 4-pole lowpass structure. You can see its hold-like behaviour on transient test with long release (and boost volume for easier observation).
Tickled and proud to see my humble ABX software in a Dan video - thanks for the video and the link!
ALWAYS something to learn with Dan testing.
Hey Dan, could you have a look at PI from Sound Radix? It's supposed to dynamically adjust the phase rotation of individual tracks in comparison to others to minimize destructive interference. It'd be really interesting to see how it works (delay or rotation) and if there are any problems with it :)
Another fine set of considerations. Thank you for all your contributions to the legacy of excellent audio for music. Also, I never tire of dunking on audiophiles.
Now that I think about it, Dave Rat rather gracefully didn't shit on them in a recent video and I was actually inspired by his approach. He said something along the lines of, "Not everyone is going for studio accuracy in their speaker or listening space. Sometimes it's cool just to own a piece of art that goes with the room."
I'm not saying this to criticize your tact. I was simply reminded by my original comment and really do like that I hadn't heard it stated like that before. In my heart of hearts, I align with your sentiment perfectly. A null test would produce complete cancelation.
sir i am immensely thankful for your effort and kindness in sharing your knowledge with us.
Very happy to hear you are back, Dan. Where have you been?
I made it all the way to the end of the video! Thanks again Dan!
Have a question:
Should we manually calibrate everyone of our plugins before mixing, and if so, how would you recommend we go about doing this task?
One thing worth noting is that even though two bits of audio can be identical and null perfectly, there can be an audible difference based on how speakers react positively/negatively. Try this on a kick drum, the difference can be pretty obvious
If they null perfectly then they are not identical 😉 but yes i get what you mean.
Can you elaborate?
Nope. Unless you mean the kick drum will sound different on different speakers - which is obvious.
One question though: The aliasing of compressors for sure would be more audible when using extreme attack and release times though, right? And probably less so with oversampling?
The faster and more extreme the gain modulation, the more harmonics will be added, so the greater risk of audible aliasing. So yes.
@@DanWorrallThanks!
Dan is the only one I trust on TH-cam! Keep up the great work!
Please keep producing great content like this, I really appreciate this.
1 hour of knowledge bombs and fact-checking. Love it. Everyone should know about your channel at this point. Congrats Dan!
Hi Dan, I don't test my plugins. You do it for me. Thank you!!!
OK, I gave this a like already at the 3.5 minute mark. You really got me with that crystal healing and homeopathy remark. Brilliant!
Great video, bold of you to try and fight the cognitive bias. Hope this reaches the "cable elevator" crowd and isn't just preaching to the choir
I had never heard of cable elevators before. I feel dumber now, having acquired that knowledge.
School is out! Thanks Dan... the internet needed this. (love the Kirchoff burn 😎)
at 51:17 I thought my audio interface had randomly changed sample rate
great video as usual, thanks for everything
I'm only 4 minutes in and the savage burns are already hitting legendary levels. Dan Worrall was made different that's for sure.
Great video Dan! Nice guitar track as well!
Every video just nails it. Such great work, dan! I learn a lot every video!
This is interesting…but is it possible that your null test doesn’t account for a delayed signal that is otherwise identical to the input? Or is a simple one- or more-sample delay considered altering a signal?
Great vid Dan. I feel like every studio engineer or producer would benefit from doing some FOH or monitors engineering. Unless you're on a console with a display like an M7 or Midas (which most small venues won't) you're never gonna get bogged down by the numbers and even if you are on a console with more plugin style effects and a digital display, you're generally watching the band not the board. Really forces you to be more listening focussed and also fast (sound checks last minutes, not weeks). Anyone can basically sign up to most venues as a Cazzy (Casual Technical) which is basically a zero hour contract and you'll probably get some work after shadowing for a while. I've worked at dozens of venues and done countless tours and there's always noobs on the crew. Because it pays so poorly they're generally desperate for extra hands and if you're on the list you'll definitely end up getting a call once someone inevitably has a sick day. I wouldn't advise it as a career though lol. Not unless you want to be permanently knackered and skint.
Love the plugin doctor discussion here, I don't know how to use it like I should a year later ... thanks!
Dan, wonderful work. And also thanks to FabFilter, who did the whole audio industry a service by sponsering this vid.
Yes, debunking myths help them of course, but it also helps all the other honest plugin makers. I don't have their plugs, so I'm not speaking as a fan boy, just respect where it's due.
The movie I didn't know I needed to watch tonight. Great review and I learned so much too! Thank you!
Are you familiar with Compassion from DMG Audio? I would love to see a collab with you and Dave Gamble on in-depth compressor design!
Well watched the whole video, watched the part with "why eq cuts get louder" twice... Very nice video again learned a lot but also have to watch sections again at least 3-4 times...i still don't get the part with harmonic anaw and Hammerstein...i use harmonic dist. Frequently And I like what it does but the way it was displayed by doctor confused me...aliasing also have to watch this really again because I think this is the best video in TH-cam for people mixing on there computer...thanks a lot Dan❤️👍
Outstanding video! im gonna need to watch this a few times as i doo with all your videos.
Amazing! Another video I need but didn't know! Thanks for reading my mind! ☺️
Not sure if you have read Angelo Farina's papers about using exponential sine sweeps for measuring distortion characteristics. But basically the reason why he uses exponential sine sweeps is that he can then turn them into the IRs of the individual harmonics -- i.e. in cases where he does indeed want to know how exactly the system is distorting the signal, this method allows him to separate the component IRs from each other, provided the reverberation time is short enough (the IRs of the harmonics are located at exact time positions relative to the actual linear IR).
who wouldn't watch everything? thank you for sharing!
Excellent work. Thank you for taking so much time to do this and I look forward to the next
Thanks for this! Lots of things to take in and try out.
Thanks for the scientific explanation of what I hear!
"that sophisticated, complex, powerful tool in our heads" Dan Worrel then proceeds to destroy mine with ultra-brain knowledge and insights. you sunk my battleship. :( owie. great content as always, Dan. Now i have to sit and process all of this for a couple of months.
The main enemy to me completing a mix lays within what you said about conative bias. I often close my eyes when making changes, so as to not be influenced by my sight, but sometimes struggle to stay awake and start nodding off if I am getting a bit tired at the time! 😴😂
Great Video as always. Thank You Dan! one question / comment though, what mic do you use in your videos ? The high frequencies sound kind of harsh
“Does it matter?” Loven’ it.
HOORAY and thanks for the detailed explanations i’ve missed you