Was Simone Biles underscored on floor????(MY OPINION)

[@tambam6744]

Artistry and dance element deductions you didn’t take. It’s not really Biles, it’s more so this crappy CoP.

[@sagemoonchild333]

That wolf turn gets deductions for the arm adjustments. A perfect wolf turn should have the arms completely stationary during the entire turn. She flailing just like everyone else. I think that garners another .1 at least. I don't think she was underscored. But it doesn't matter because no one else will get close to her.

[@erick_yuri]

Folks, I didn't know. She thought the arms were part of the choreography or at least possible for balance. Anyway, I think her Wolf Turn is the best among gymnasts. It is undeniable that she does it very quickly.

[@aguti7920]

what does she have to do, to not get a flexed feet deduction on her double layout? Cause she is pointing her feet throught probably 3/4 of the skill. Anyway her shape in the air is so good, if she hits the landings there is hardly anything to take off

[@blakegillpuente3904]

I genuinely think judges (and fans) are throwing out "flexed feet" on any gymnast doesn't go beyond a 180° split- which is stupid, because that isn't even the standard or requirement. But basically, anyone who doesn't over-split like Nastia, Mustafina, or Komova, they're going to call their feet flexed, even though knees/thighs and feet are totally separate body parts. 💀
And it seems like, especially if it's a power gymnast like Simone, Aly Raisman, Vanessa Ferrari, etc, they just assume all their feet positions are flexed anyway, even when they're not.

[@aguti7920]

@@blakegillpuente3904 well i mean Simone has flexed feet during some of her leaps (beam mount, switch 1/2 on beam and the two D value leaps on floor) but not during her tumbling and obviously she has to flex them before she lands

[@blakegillpuente3904]

@aguti7920 I watched this routine *again* at 0.25x speed, and I froze the screen and went frame-by-frame for both her leaps. Neither of her D-level leaps have flexed feet. Look at her toe point on the extended leg of her wolf turn: that is what her toe point looks like. She does not have arched feet like Komova or Liukin.
That goes back to what I said about how judges and fans got used to the form of Russian & Chinese gymnasts, and Nastia (btw, who is Russian & trained by Russians) when it comes to split positions and toe points. The requirement is only 180° for splits, and pointed toes. However, because those gymnasts became the standard in peoples' minds about what artistry and execution are, it seems like to them, any gymnast who doesn't do *over*splits and have arched feet isn't meeting the requirement, and they call it a deduction. But it's not. Most gymnasts who don't train in ballet don't have those arches. That doesn't mean their toes aren't pointed. I remember Aly Raisman in 2012 FX Finals getting flack too because of her 9.1 E Score, and someone on the internet put together a bunch of slow-mo gifs and videos to show she truly did hit all her splits at 180°, and her toes were pointed for all her leaps. But people were just mad bc Aly isn't known for artistry or elegance, so they just assumed all her leaps and toes were bad without even actually checking. In reality, it's bc they expected oversplits and arched feet like Mustafina had.
MyKayla Skinner is a perfect example of flexed feet, and Simone's feet here (or on BB) look NOTHING like Skinner's. Lol.

[@aguti7920]

@@blakegillpuente3904 yeah but atp we have to have a different definiton of flexed feet, look at her beam mount for example, one of her feet is pointed, she hits 180, but her front leg has a flexed foot, it isn't pointed as it dosen't continue the line of her leg

[@blakegillpuente3904]

@aguti7920 I wasn't talking about BB; I was talking about the two D skills you mentioned in this video where neither of her feet are flexed.
I would say (without looking) I fully believe her front foot is flexed on her BB mount, especially since that is the foot she is going to land on. So, if she's deducted there, it makes total sense. But even still, it kinda proves my point that because her feet don't look like those gymnasts I mentioned, and because she does SOMETIMES have a flexed foot, judges and fans just assume that all or most of her feet are flexed. And that's just not the case.

[@blakegillpuente3904]

I watched it in slow-mo and even paused. She had some slight leg separation in her last pass, but those toes were pointed 100% of the salto.
I feel like a lot of people just throw out "flexed feet" and "artistry" and any/all American gymnasts bc it is a common theme. But Simone's form on FX is actually far and away better than you're going to see from almost any other gymnast from any country-- especially if we look at tumbling form. Her feet are pointed for the majority of her skills and dance elements. I think y'all just assume any gymnast who isn't doing >180° in their splits (which isn't the standard or requirement, btw) must also probably have flexed feet.

[@kingbootie5849]

judges dont see in slow motion, they only watch in live, thats why they dont see that little mistakes

[@blakegillpuente3904]

@kingbootie5849 Right, but my point is: I watched it in slow motion and still didn't see any flexed feet.
Her toes are pointed. People are just assuming because she's 1) a power gymnast, 2) American, and 3) not going past a 180° on her split leaps that her feet are flexed. They aren't. So, if judges can't even see that they're not flexed and are taking off points because they assume they are, they are unqualified for their jobs. They should only deduct what they actually see.

[@bagelized]

“Ideal arm position” girl be honest with yourself 😭.
Also you’re not taking any artistry deductions

[@adamtak3128]

artistry deductions for what? she has cool bits of dances, leaps, turns, in sync with the music. she has 4 hard tumbling passes she needs to do, why tire herself out adding more "artistic" elements ... which by the way is highly subjective.

[@bagelized]

@@adamtak3128 Have you seen artistry deductions these days? Almost nobody has gotten away with 0 artistry deductions. This has nothing to do with what I personally think about artistry within WAG, whether Simone should focus on them or not, but the fact that judges are harsh on it.

[@pamelaansah9631]

She did a great job. She is the best you know, I love her so much,

[@davidgymnastics12]

ok Your opinion is pretty but my opinion is that you should take off 0.1 for control on her switch split leap 1/1 and a 0.1 deduction for soft knees on her biles I and on her double layout 0.1 because of an small adjustmant ( no hate I love your vids )

[@ismaelpedroza7918]

16.7 still will be underscored

[@andreavernon3994]

I totally agree she was under scored ( her performance was perfect)

[@gymlandia4467]

I think the chuso had no deductions but the hop as well as the double layout. Yet the slight artistry deductions.

[@aguti7920]

maybe they took off 0.2 for her slightly bent knees and a very uncharacteristic leg seperation on the biles, 0.1 for the adjustment on the double layout, 0.1 for flexed foot on the switsch leap 1/1 and something on artistry, even tho I think they shouldn't... Anyway internationaly judges better don't give her anything less than the US judges on such a beautiful routine

[@tambam6744]

The twitter girlies are gonna come for you!

[@bernadettepotenti301]

no sound with this video?

[@darklight1030]

Judges are sharper, better and more experienced at seeing deductions. In this case, I would expect our estimates to be higher than actual score. I would be surprised if u thought the judges overscored her

[@__Tiziana__]

I'm not sure and totally okay with getting checked real quick, but I'm afraid this particular routine (while being awesome, maybe my favorite from Simone...her cleanliness and technique really shined that day!) could potentially incur in some artistry deductions due to the (apparent?) lack of complex choreography. Your work is excellent as always!

[@ismaelpedroza7918]

lack of complex choreography ... I hate this new COP ... this is so subjective ... I mean, her coreo is amazing ... she is a gymnast not a dancer

[@bluepanther1013]

This routine does have complex choreography. The ending is the complex choreography. Complex choreography is defined as choreography that requires coordination and prior training. The roundoff to half turn to bounce is considered complex choreography.

[@__Tiziana__]

@@ismaelpedroza7918 I agree with you. If they were to remove the music and the choreo altogether by tomorrow, I personally wouldn't cry about it. I respect different opinions, though; many people say the sport is called artistic for a reason and they are not wrong. Regardless of our personal preferences, the new code is what it is and gymnasts have to comply or accept the idea they'll get slammed by the judges. Not saying Simone is risking any crazy deductions, I don't even understand the code that well, but I have a feeling the choreography won't be considered hard enough. Happy to be proven wrong anytime!

[@__Tiziana__]

@@bluepanther1013 Thank you! So the ending butt bounce is "enough" to be considered a complex move? Not shading it, I love it and I can tell it required some prior pretty extensive training! I'm just amazed because it's been a few years and I'm still not getting the new artistry requirements. Thank you for the correction!

[@ismaelpedroza7918]

@@__Tiziana__ The music and the choreo is nice, but I really dont know what they expect. And true, it is what it is... but is BS... Men's gymnastics is also artistic gymnastic but just the girls need to dance and smile ... and now no one is throwing big skills because excess of deductions... Vault is now the most boring event everyone doing a DTY ... I think in many years this COP will be remember as sexist and stupid

[@bannockmuncher]

have anyone seen the video where the judge is looking away when she is performing a element here and there and her score was down because the judge can only judge what they see.

[@ilaria.acquaroli]

0.3 on the landing of the gogean, artistry deductior like 0.2 compared to the last year worlds ef
I also think there could be a piked at the end of the chuso, but this angle doesn't help

[@aguti7920]

Why 0.3 on that landing? It was not really uncontrolled and what artisty deductions would she get, i rather think the took points for leg seperations on the layouts

[@ilaria.acquaroli]

@aguti7920 i dont really know the penalties of artristy but someone gave 0.2 for jessica gadirova, also rebe andrade got 0.2/0.5, i dont think she will have 0 deductions, no one last year did
and she landed the gogean with a step and she rotate it

[@aguti7920]

@@ilaria.acquaroli but this time she fully rotated it, she had a step, but not such a big one

[@ilaria.acquaroli]

@aguti7920 after the landing she rotate i mean this

[@eliseperron1928]

Off topic but I’m surprised this is BJ Das choreography. It is bland as can be.

[@saddie63]

I agree they cheated her!

[@withlove312]

Simone has never been underscored on a floor routine in her life imo.
edit: nvm Simone has always been perfectly scored :/

[@eduardorocha9936]

omg YES hahahahahaha

[@aguti7920]

so you say she has been perfectly scored or overscored any other time?

[@withlove312]

@@aguti7920 Perfectly scored? No.
Overscored? Sure but that's partly the codes fault rather than the judges error.
Underscored? Like truly, truly underscored? Nah.

[@aguti7920]

@@withlove312 in comparison to who? Simone probably has the best tumbling shape out of all elite gymnasts, ofc she has less deductions and in earlier codes there were less deductions in general, if Simone was overscored, others were even more, Aly Raisman for example often got pretty similar execution to Simone back in 2016 and her tumbling shape is for sure worse and she would get deducted much more today, just as an example

[@blakegillpuente3904]

@withlove312 It is impossible say she was overscored due to the CoP. The CoP literally dictates what each skill, connection, composition requirement, and each deduction is. If she got a certain score bc of the code, you cannot say she was overscored; she was accurately and appropriately scored. You just disagree with the values in the CoP, and that's a different matter.

[@brenden6218]

Her biggest deduction of the floor would be flexed feet throughout

[@aguti7920]

not throughout, as one of the very few gymnasts she is actually pointing her toes during her tubmling passes

[@saucesebastien9453]

No she deserv this very good 15.400

[@ciprianadesouza9808]

Sem dedução artística, é pra rir...ela nem se dá ao trabalho de tentar uma coreografia

[@Cendon12]

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