@@alexbor8699 Nope, it's fine. In fact if you read the labeling of a genuine GM quart of VI it covers all the way back thru the original Dexron I from 1969. But personally I wouldn't use VI in a classic automatic calling for ATF Type A, suffix A. While Dexron III could cover back to 1949 and was fine as a Type A substitute, I don't recall ever seeing GM claim that Dexron VI can being fully synthetic now.
Great video, I used it to drop my pan on my 2008 Saturn Vue Greenline which has the 4T45 transmission in it. I just want to confirm that this transmission in this model year needed to have the magnet upgrade performed to it to fix "GM Service Bulletin 08-07-30-040B" which came out on May 6, 2009. This was the advisory you mentioned in the video and the full advisory can be found via a Google search. The nice thing is the bulletin describes where to place the magnets and that the old one should be removed so that the addition of the magnets doesn't damage the transmission. Also as far as leveling the car, I too don't have a lift. However, my driveway is on an angle to the street... an easy way to change the transmission oil was to point the front of the car to the street.. so that the front of the pan where the transmission fluid mostly will come out is pointed to the street as well. I was able to change the transmission fluid using the methods in your video, and what I did was put a level on the pan of the transmission after placing about 5 quarts in back in the transmission (note only about 4.75 quarts came out of mine). After torquing the pan properly using a good torque wrench (Craftsman) and your specifications - I put on my emergency break, blocked the tires and being very careful was able to to have my wife assist as we perfectly leveled the front of the car by jacking it up (remember the car is on an angle downward toward the street). Using this method I was able to get to the fill plug or at least see it and level the car out perfectly while I had my wife poor in the last 1.65 quarts. So basically 4.75 quarts may have come out, but it required total about 6.65 quarts to fill up my 4T45 transmission. The idea of counting quarts is a good idea, but since I've had this transmission serviced by others in the past I didn't trust them to fill it completely.. using this method I was able to ensure the proper transmission fluid level in the car and it drove like a dream after. Please note this can be dangerous however, and I'm not responsible if your jack gives way if you don't have jack stands or some other backup ensuring the safety of the technician under the car. I'm just saying it is possible to level off the car, and this is what I did, and why I did it. So call me silly... just not Sally. :) To get to the fill cap of the 2008 Saturn Vue Greenline 4T45 transmission I had to literally crawl in the top of the engine bay and reach around a bunch of cables and hoses to unscrew the cap. I recommend as you do that this the first thing you should do, so you may ensure you can get to the fill point of the transmission. However, just pointing this out because man it was tough and you can barely see the fill cap on this car for the transmission because of how tightly packed in everything is thanks to the hybrid technology. I also still have a ton of scratches on my arm from doing this, and don't drop your cap like I did... ug... it was a pain to get out. Also want to point out that even though the Greenline is a hybrid, it still needs to be serviced at the same intervals of a normal car according to the dealership (I've had people tell me I could go longer between fluid changes (oil/transmission), which is wrong and may result in premature wear and component failure). For more information of how to locate the fill plug on this vehicle check out the video on TH-cam called "Saturn vue transmission fluid change part 1 of 2" that helped me as well. Anyway I'm at 197,000+ and still no issues with the engine or transmission itself because of proper maintenance... however, I've had other issues with the cooling system and AC - which are horrible in these cars. :( I really appreciate your hard research and hope this helps. I also like how you didn't sponsor any particular transmission fluid and educated me on what Dexron actually is. I looked it up in Wikipedia and learned so much in the in process... very professional and educational!
I just did this for the 3rd time on my Saturn and now I'm watching a video on it. What sense does that make! With my mileage I don't plan on doing it again the procedure is a real hassle if laying on the ground. I must say though this high mileage transmission shifts like a dream. I wasn't expecting that kind of performance from a GM product.
Thank you I hate that they changed it to not be user serviceable. I unfortunately don't have much of a choice but to do it myself so thank you so much for your videos
Hey I just recently purchased a 2000 Oldsmobile Alero with over 200,000 plus miles on it never been serviced excellent video very clear precise and simple especially about the bushing using the Tin Pan and measuring your fluids thank you I hope to see some more videos from you man
Got a question for you what type of transmission fluid should I use in a 2000 Oldsmobile Alero V6 manual says dextron 3 dealer says dextron 3 Valvoline maxlife looks like a good deal but I don't understand the specification arguments and the screw-ups on the advertising and all that junk . I did some other research and ATF md3 is supposed to be compatible with Dexron 3 I just don't want to screw up my transmission I'm doing a lot of work on this car already anything you can tell me would be helpful
Page 7-250 of the 2004 genuine GM 4T40E/4T45E service manual calls for 124 inch lbs / 14Nm of torque on those particular bolts. But 89 is not that far off to cause concerns and is even mentioned in another section of the manual, I mention this at 29:35
I managed to reach the fill bolt with my cobalt on the ground. I have pretty long arms and had to do it blind, but checking the location before hand helped.
I know its an old video but I have à chevy malibu 06 v6 3.5l with an 4t45e and I didnt know about the fill plug overflow ... thx you help me alot withou knowing
Excelente video, me sera de gran utilidad, solo tengo un par de preguntas ¿se tiene que calentar el carro antes de vaciar el carter? ¿Para el llenado se tiene que hacer con el motor prendido?
Gracias. El coche no tiene que ser calentado para drenar. El procedimiento de llenado que muestro en este video no necesita el auto calentado ni el motor en marcha. Pero si desea usar el procedimiento del manual de servicio que mencioné, entonces necesita que la transmisión esté calentada y el motor en marcha y el nivel del vehículo para que pueda verificar el tapón de nivel en la parte posterior. Sin embargo, no mostré este procedimiento en el video.
I just finished doing the same thing on a 2008 cobalt. Unfortunately you can’t get access to the plug when the car is ground level. Owner’s manual says seven quarts(pan drop plus new filter) and the guys at the parts store said their system shows 6.9 quarts. What drained out of the car was a tick under seven. So when I refilled I left a little in the seventh quart.
If your car goes in reverse but not forward that metal rod that you see up under the pan might be cracked. It takes four bolts to take it out ,and you have to pull on it by the bracket to see if it's broke or not ,alot of mechanics miss it.
I'm changing my fluid, ATP brands filter, pan and gasket from Amazon, and maybe bolts (Autozone has 20 mm bolts) or hardware store, allegedly M6 x 1 x 19mm), on my 19 year old 2004 Grand Am w/ this trans., since it's at 110k and I don't know if any previous owners did it. Also, because I'm changing the trans cooling lines assembly that are rusted away and just about to break and threaten to ruin the trans. And my pan has a dent in it that's rusting. Who drove my car over a curb? I've done AT changes on other cars. - I just read an oil change post warning people about getting under my car while it's running, to check the level at that plug, and getting hurt when accidentally hitting the trans rod into gear. To prevent this, they recommend you have the car (front wheels at least) on jack stands. I also recently read how it's safer to have all 4 wheels on jack stands, rather than just 1 wheel off the ground - a practice I had been doing for years. But regardless, I always have a 2nd, backup jack or jack stand before I get under a car, so if the original jack or stand falls - which happens, you're not crushed. I also block 2 wheels so it can't roll, before I jack it up. I've used bricks, and rubber wheel chocks from Harbor Freight, and I've made my own from 2x4's.
Just finished this on daughters 2010 HHR. Easy peasy. Get OEM gasket. Put in 6.9 qts. Have 3 magnets in pan. Bought one but 2 were in there. Got out about 6.5 qts
Nice. My '05 Grand Am (ecotec) has never had a transmission fluid change. 350,000 miles one it. Think I should do this? It doesn't have any transmission problems yet, but I can't help but think it won't be long.
There's a school of thought that says when the mileage gets that high and you've not been doing the regular maintenance previously, you get into no good deed goes unpunished territory. ;-) While I would definitely argue strongly against ever letting a shop do a transmission fluid _flush_ on a high mileage vehicle, the pan drain approach is usually safe and often puts more life on the unit. Especially on the models where you can change out the filter. On mileage that high I'd change the pan gasket too for sure. Definitely only use genuine GM parts on a high mileage transmission, you don't need any substandard import stuff cutting its life short.
Man this is excellent, thank you I think I'll attempt this in my sunfire soon. Any videos on replacing shocks and struts or engine codes for the 2.2l ??
Great video and well explained sir! You seem very knowledgeable on these pan drops for GM transmissions. I'm getting ready to do this in my Cavalier. Quick question for your expertise; would you replace the square magnet found in the 4L/60 or 80 transmissions (one is Silverado HD & the other is a Tahoe) with one or both magnets like you did in this video or just leave the original in there? Thanks for any feedback!
Thanks. I would leave the original magnet(s) you find in a GM transmission/transaxle pan. Only if they are missing, or damaged (cracked/chipped etc), or there is a TSB (technical service bulletin) from GM requiring their replacement would I replace them with the same GM part number as they do not lose their magnetism over time and will basically outlive the vehicle otherwise.
Excelente video. Es el mismo procedimiento para un chevy malibu 2001?. Cuantos litros de aceite o fluido para transmisión debe llevar el malibu 2001? Saludos.
Gracias. Sí, el Chevrolet Malibu 2001 debería tener este mismo tipo de transmisión. Sin embargo, verifique la descripción del video para ver los códigos de opción para estar seguro.
Nice job on this step by step changing of the transmission fluid and filter.👍 However I noticed at the end of the video you had mentioned that you change yours at around $100,000. My manual says to change it every 50,000.I have a 2006 Chevy Malibu Lt 4cy that just hit 101,000 miles and luckily to date I have no transmission problems. Do you think I will have any transmission problems if I change out the fluid at this point? I am the second owner and I don't know if the previous owner did a transmission fluid. If you can add some light to anyone else watching I would appreciate it and thanks again for a well made video 😄
Thanks. You'll definitely want to defer to the maintenance schedule for your particular model year and GM brand. For whatever reason, the same transmission/transaxle may have different mileage recommendations across models and years. My advice on high mileage vehicles is do _not_ get a transmission flush done. This can cause problems on a high mileage vehicle due to the nature of the reverse flows involved with the flush machine. But a run of the mill pan drain and fill like shown here is typically going to be all good/neutral. Especially since it's the only way to get the filter replaced.
Thanks for sharing, it looks like it can be messy. Is there room to drill a hole in the transmission pan and place one of those oil plugs that are used when the oil plug is damaged? I have a question about draining the fluid under the filling plug; I think there is a 14 mm bolt that drains out fluid through there. does that fluid needs to get drain out or it all goes back to the pan?
Yes it can be messy, unfortunately. If you prefer, there are aftermarket pans with a drain plug added you can purchase for these models. The kind of drain plug mod you are thinking of would require welding to be leak free. The filling plug I believe you are mentioning I did not show but did point out. I didn't show it because in order to use that fill check technique you have to have a car lift or get all four wheels level off the ground on jack stands. That one is not a drain, it's just used, when the transmission reaches an appropriate temperature, to determine if it is full or not. You can do the same thing by measuring what you take out and only adding the same back in. This, of course, presumes you were not low to begin with. ;-)
For these particular automatic transaxles, for just checking the fluid level yeah you idle the engine to get the ATF up to temperature and then check it using the access bolt underneath the vehicle (there's no dipstick on the 4T40E or the 4T45E automatic).
Greetings! not so long ago I bought a car with a 4t40e transmission, I decided to change the fluid, as the previous owner said that the tears of virgins were flooded there. I bought Petro-Canada D3M, put a separate radiator, poured tears from the pallet, I got 5 liters from there by the way, poured the same amount of d3m, then I started the engine, removed the pipe from the radiator and drained the liter through the radiator, I turned off the engine, I added D3M liter . so I had 10 liters in total, and a beautiful liquid went. and recently I read that GM recommends pouring Dextron 6 instead of Dextron 3. It has lower viscosity, less hydraulic loss while maintaining traction, etc. What do you think if I'm in fresh dextron 3, share 5-6 dextron6 liters? Are my box performance better or not worth it? Or do I need to completely change the entire dextron? or is it worth nothing to pour?
The original GM guidance to dealers was to change ATF fluid in vehicles with these particular automatic transmission (transaxle) models EVERY 50K miles; but only if the vehicle was mainly driven in hilly terrain or trailer towing or heavy city traffic (what GM considered "severe" duty service). The GM claim was every other use case could let the original ATF fluid go indefinitely hence why there was no dipstick or filler tube provided. In practice though Dexron III was never *that* good, and other GM vehicles using the exact same Dexron III ATF fluid called for a fluid service every 100K miles. That's what I recommend to owners on these aging models too in order to help extend the life of the transmission as with heat and age the chemical properties of ATF do degrade and the fluid filter does degrade. Remember GM doesn't stay in business unless they are selling new vehicles, so I recommend taking manufacturer claims of being maintenance free for life skeptically when a lubricant or fluid gets over 10 years old & 100K miles of heat under it. ;-)
@@DrShock Thank you! Changed it 2 years ago . So far so good! Did not want to get under a running car, so I just measure how much was grained and put the same amount back in.
Hola buenas noches.... Tengo una duda en la cantidad de litros de aceite hidráulico que usa la caja del pontiac sunfire automatico , motor 2.4 ? Me puedes ayudar?
I have a 2003 Cavalier and I was looking into doing this fluid change. Great video btw, I have a few questions: - Dorman sells a fluid pan for this transmission that comes with a drain bolt (Part # 265809), it's available on RockAuto. Have you considered using that fluid pan? I'm gonna be ordering it myself for future fluid changes, as well as new circle magnets. - The vehicle I'll be doing the service on, it has over 140k miles. Would it be appropriate to use MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF from Valvoline, or should I use DEX VI or DEX III? The MaxLife fluid says it's compatible with DEX VI, and I know DEX VI is DEX III compatible, but I wanted a second opinion on the matter. Thanks for your time
ATF brand isn't so much of a concern as long as it's certified GM Dexron VI. I usually use ACDelco brand, but if I find another name brand cheaper I'll use that too. I will not use unknown off brands though. Personally I'm a fan of sticking to OEM genuine GM parts. This job is a bit messy for lack of a drain plug, but you have to drop the pan anyway to change the filter. Dorman products are usually of sketchy quality, so just be sure that the gasket sealing area, and drain bung, is manufactured well as leaks would be the primary risk with a Dorman pan.
@@DrShock Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I haven't had issues with Dorman parts in the past, but I'll keep that in mind going forward. Looking at reviews on Amazon, it appears to be quality and a lot of people have had good experiences with it. If you'd like, I can reply to this later on and let you know how it works out for me. Looking into it, Valvoline MaxLife appears to be "100 percent compatible with the DEXRON VI for mixing or flushing a system" so I going to be using that for the fluid/filter change. I, too, am not really concerned with the brand so long as it's a known quality brand. I was just trying to figure out compatibility.
@@willersmunk1 I also like Valvoline MAXlife AT fluid, especially if I'm concerned about compatibility for older cars. I usually buy it at Walmart at $20 gal, but just did a search and it's up to $24 or so now, while NAPA, believe it or not, today has it at a little over $20 in my region! As I have a different used car every few years, which it will likely be good in, and it can also be used in power steering pumps, I still buy it by the gallon to save money.
I have a 08 chevy Malibu with this same closed transmission. Should I change the fluid ? It has little over 74k miles on it, and I dont know if the transmission fluid ever was changed before. I got this car at 72k miles
It's often true that when no maintenance has ever been done on these GM transmissions, that it's best to leave them alone until they reach end of life. That's typically if someone has let 100K or more miles accumulate with no maintenance performed though. The reason is that performing the maintenance after that arbitrary mileage point can often introduce problems with tired out seals. For what you have, if it were me, I'd perform the maintenance if its specified in your owner's manual since its below that arbitrary threshold. Not all models called for any maintenance to be performed.
@@DrShock thank you for your response. The car did not come with the owners manual, however, I found one online for my model and the scheduled maintenance is supposed to be done at 50k intervals severe service only. Now, I do not know what actually constitutes severe service.
Severe service should be defined in the owner's manual before the maintenance schedules, it's typically defined as frequent stop and go type driving (i.e., a taxi), frequent towing, etc.
If I'm working on a rebuilt/remanufactured 4T4 transmission that is still under any sort of GM warranty, I only use ACDelco branded Dexron VI (links in the description) ATF (and save your receipts to avoid any warranty claim drama). But if the transmission is out of warranty, like in this vid, then I like O'Reillys' store brand of Dexron VI ATF.
Sir I wanted to ask. When you put the pan gasket did you use any silicone or grease on it ? Or did you just use the gasket itself? Has it had anyleaks ?
No, GM advises not to use anything but their gasket here. If you use a non-GM part, that guidance might not apply tho. And no, no leaks ever and I've done this on many Cobalts and Cavaliers. Right tools, right parts, right procedures - everything just works. ;-)
Only fasteners in this video with a torque value would be the pan bolts, specified at around 29:53 time index. The values are not in foot pounds as per GM specifications these small bolts are expressed in inch pounds to avoid damaging the aluminum transmission housing threads.
I have a 09 Malibu 4 cyl, in the past month I notice twice times that the vehicle does not pass 40 Miles, it was like if she was traying yo shift but she couldnt, you think the fluid change is gonna fix it?
Short answer, maybe. ATF is a lubricant, a hydraulic component, and to some degree a coolant for the automatic transmission. The reason for changing it is to restore the best chemical properties for all three needs that fade after 100K miles or so. And changing the filter is done to insure that fresh ATF is flowing freely and cleanly. Now that all said, if you're very low on ATF (e.g., due to a leak), or the fluid filter is clogged up, then this sort maintenance procedure could have a noticeable improvement. Like changing your engine's oil, this is something that needs to be done as preventative maintenance. Once something is already amiss it's rarely a fix so I would set your expectations on the low side.
The vehicle shown is a 2004 Cavalier which uses the 2.2L Ecotec engine, which does *not* have a camshaft sensor. None of the Cavalier/Sunfire models have this type of sensor.
@@DrShock thanks my check engine light is on I hooked up my code reader and it read "p0340 camshaft sensor circuit" in your experience what do you think would cause this?
I haven't chased that code on this model of vehicle. That code reader text you have there is generic of course, and can't account for engine designs that don't use a camshaft sensor (aka a CMP). For ones without a CMP it's going to be more involved tracking it down. The Ecotec 2.2L from the Cavalier era (thru 2005) would instead use an ignition control module (ICM). Barring any wiring problems between the ICM and the main computer (PCM), I'd start looking at the ICM. You'll need a service manual really as the ICM testing procedure is many steps long. The ICM signal is coming in from the ignition coil assembly, and that would be another place to check next.
If you use the fluid plug removal method I mentioned, but did not show, yes you need to get the power train up to temp. For that method though you'll need a lift or some other means of getting all four wheels off the ground and level. For the shade-tree method, no you don't have to worry about the temp because you're adding back only exactly the amount you removed.
Same engine but slightly newer transmission design. Most likely your 05 Classic model has the 4T45E transmission. Should be equivalent for this videos' topic though.
Didn't note these details. But one should only be using the actual transmission application rated magnet part specified and not a substitute in this case. There are stated differences in the GM service bulletin (provided in the video description) as to the material composition of this specific magnet as being different in order to prevent ferrous sediment saturation.
Nice and detailed! Thank you for your efforts! I have a 2000 2.2 Cavalier. I can't find the TSB. I do have same transmission. Are those magnets applicable to that car do you know? Thanks again.
Thank you sir! You are amazing. This apparently does not apply to my 2000 Cavalier, but I do have the same transmission you have and will be performing the same proceedure as the one you outlined. Your car is VERY clean and I think you are a stickler for detail based on what I can see. I can appreciate that! Thank you so much for taking the time to reply back, I really appreciate it. I'm subscribing, hitting the notification bell and of course commenting! Thank YOU! BTW: I just purchased this 2000 Cavalier from my next door neighbor who can no longer drive. He is the original owner and the car now has 80K miles. I have ALL service records and the car was driven like the 93 y/o man who owned it would typically drive. Initially I thought I'd sell it, but I tend to think it might be a good reliable back up. A/C works great, so important here in Florida. I just purchased a new set of Michelins and did a LONG list of items at RockAuto focused on radiator, hoses, thermostat, filters, etc.. I'm a capable home mechanic and have done all my own work on all my cars. Probably the only thing I would let someone else do is rebuild a transmission, but I've never had one go out as I service my cars a lot like you. Mobil 1 synthetic oil change today with Wix extreme filter. I suspect my $700 purchase price will pay off if I tend to the car like you do. Thanks again!
Podría serlo, aunque sorprendentemente las transmisiones automáticas de Honda también se usaron en algunas configuraciones. Verifique la etiqueta de información de piezas de servicio para el código de opción MN5; de lo contrario, es la de Honda. La etiqueta plateada para esto en un Vue, creo, está ubicada en una de las jambas de la puerta del lado del conductor. Adhesivo plateado con filas y filas de códigos de opción de tres caracteres. It might be, though surprisingly Honda automatic transmissions were used in some configurations as well. Check the service parts information sticker for option code MN5, otherwise it's the Honda one. The silver sticker for this on a Vue, I believe, is located on one of the drivers side door jambs. Silver sticker with rows and rows of three character option codes.
I have a question for you what type of transmission fluid should I use I have V6 2000 Oldsmobile Alero manual says dextron 3 dealer says dextron 3 and then research says ATF md3 meets the specs and some compatible with Dexron 3 what do you think about Valvoline maxlife multi engine compatibility
I always go with what the factory recommends for GM, Dexron. Though Dexron III is discontinued now, you can use Dexron VI which is backwards compatible with all previous formulations. Personally I don't think brand names matter but you want to avoid generic "ATF" fluids, and look for those that explicitly state Dexron VI compatible. I found O'Reily's and Walmart both had several products that did when this video was done.
Converting to electric engine with 4t40e/ 4t45e as in going with,removing crank shaft sensor ,and cam shaft sensor,from engine,and running it with the 2 transmission motion sensors together two,and two. Computer thinks the engine is still in the car,and easy go from there assembly.
If you have a four wheel lift like a QuickJack, I'd suggest using the fluid plug check method but it does requires a driving level position with the engine running while lifted. In my case I only recalled I didn't have access to a lift handy at the end of the video and went with measuring what I took out instead. Each car might be a little different depending on whether it was low or overfull to begin with, but in my case the ATF volume ended up being measured (by pouring the drain pan contents back into empties) as 6 full quarts and 4/5 of a 7th as mentioned at 32:44
First make sure you have located the correct bolt head for the fluid level control plug, it's on the passenger side facing the outwards towards the wheel. You'll have to have the vehicle on a lift to access it (car must be SAFELY & SECURELY on level ground, in park, with engine running during fill check procedure). Once fluid dribbles out it's full. I don't recall the exact size, but I *think* its a 11mm head bolt. Re-seal threads with GM 12345382 (aka Loctite 242) and re-torque to 124 INCH lbs.
I've only used Dexron as GM factory recommended fill. When GM recommended fluid and filter changes, it was every 100K miles, so I still follow that on these "maintenance free" models.
While I wasn't able to show that procedure here, you're only supposed to remove that when the transmission is up to temperature, and the vehicle is fully level with all four wheels off the ground. If you're getting fluid out of the top off bolt otherwise, you've over filled it to begin with or you don't have the vehicle level.
For those without a lift...drop the vehicle down making sure its not on a hill. Fill the top with oil until it starts to spill in the bottom. Jack the car back up and add the drain plug.
Personally I'm not one to modify from the factory design, but yes I think you would have room to drill and weld in the tap for one in a few spots that would not hit anything if the plug was short enough.
Andres, in the US we measure it in quarts of course and I'm not sure of the completely empty capacity including the converter. This particular repair won't trigger a full spec refill of ATF anyway as you have the converter still full only the pan and filter area is drained, so you can only add the same amount of ATF as you took out. Or as I mention in the video if you have a level lift you should use the ATF drain overfill plug to determine when its topped off to be more accurate. Would be a bad thought to just add ATF by the liter.
GM does not “make” ATF but they logo it from others. I mention in the video description you should be using DEXRON VI ATF. Your owners manual will specify the type as it varies by year but all the older ones have been superceded by now. The ATF brands that carry this DEXRON designation are all exactly the same as GM controls the formulation in order to use their trademark on the bottle.
@@DrShock 2005 - there are many re-marketed / Brand oils - but no one really knows whats inside / behind the label, so how does one tell if the exact specification/contents [are they honest/ priority / secret / truthful] are not listed on the label. What time frame is that description you state? Do they change the oil just to screw with the public even by just relabeling .....LOL
This is why you only should buy an ATF that carries the DEXRON trademark on the bottle. GM controls what's inside to use that mark. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEXRON
Thanks for the video! I bottomed out on a bad road and peeled the front of the trans pan back, losing fluid. I replaced the pan, gasket & filter, but unfortunately didn't have access to jack stands or a lift. Can I assume that 6.9 quarts would be the maximum the refill would take? Thanks again for taking the time, and for the effort inmaking this very helpful and clear video available for novices like me! All the best, Jan-Mikael
Maximum yes, but you will have some undetermined about in the torque converter is why I wouldn't say just fill it with 7 qts. In your situation though I'd be more concerned about cleaning all the dirt and debris out, definitely new filter time.
In the video description, there are the three character codes that you would find on your options sticker. That would tell if you have this transmission. The factory options sticker is usually in the glove box door, or in the rear trunk area.
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Great video. What type of transmission fluid is used? Thanks
Dexron VI is what GM specifies today. Back in the day when these were new, it would have been Dexron III.
@@DrShock thank you sir
@@DrShock DEXTRON 6 HAS LESS VISCOSITY THAN DEXTRON 3. DOESN'T HARM IT?
@@alexbor8699 Nope, it's fine. In fact if you read the labeling of a genuine GM quart of VI it covers all the way back thru the original Dexron I from 1969. But personally I wouldn't use VI in a classic automatic calling for ATF Type A, suffix A. While Dexron III could cover back to 1949 and was fine as a Type A substitute, I don't recall ever seeing GM claim that Dexron VI can being fully synthetic now.
@@alexbor8699 Dexron VI starts out thinner but maintains it's viscosity better than Dexron III which shears considerably over it's lifespan.
Great video, I used it to drop my pan on my 2008 Saturn Vue Greenline which has the 4T45 transmission in it. I just want to confirm that this transmission in this model year needed to have the magnet upgrade performed to it to fix "GM Service Bulletin 08-07-30-040B" which came out on May 6, 2009. This was the advisory you mentioned in the video and the full advisory can be found via a Google search. The nice thing is the bulletin describes where to place the magnets and that the old one should be removed so that the addition of the magnets doesn't damage the transmission.
Also as far as leveling the car, I too don't have a lift. However, my driveway is on an angle to the street... an easy way to change the transmission oil was to point the front of the car to the street.. so that the front of the pan where the transmission fluid mostly will come out is pointed to the street as well. I was able to change the transmission fluid using the methods in your video, and what I did was put a level on the pan of the transmission after placing about 5 quarts in back in the transmission (note only about 4.75 quarts came out of mine). After torquing the pan properly using a good torque wrench (Craftsman) and your specifications - I put on my emergency break, blocked the tires and being very careful was able to to have my wife assist as we perfectly leveled the front of the car by jacking it up (remember the car is on an angle downward toward the street). Using this method I was able to get to the fill plug or at least see it and level the car out perfectly while I had my wife poor in the last 1.65 quarts. So basically 4.75 quarts may have come out, but it required total about 6.65 quarts to fill up my 4T45 transmission. The idea of counting quarts is a good idea, but since I've had this transmission serviced by others in the past I didn't trust them to fill it completely.. using this method I was able to ensure the proper transmission fluid level in the car and it drove like a dream after. Please note this can be dangerous however, and I'm not responsible if your jack gives way if you don't have jack stands or some other backup ensuring the safety of the technician under the car. I'm just saying it is possible to level off the car, and this is what I did, and why I did it. So call me silly... just not Sally. :)
To get to the fill cap of the 2008 Saturn Vue Greenline 4T45 transmission I had to literally crawl in the top of the engine bay and reach around a bunch of cables and hoses to unscrew the cap. I recommend as you do that this the first thing you should do, so you may ensure you can get to the fill point of the transmission. However, just pointing this out because man it was tough and you can barely see the fill cap on this car for the transmission because of how tightly packed in everything is thanks to the hybrid technology. I also still have a ton of scratches on my arm from doing this, and don't drop your cap like I did... ug... it was a pain to get out.
Also want to point out that even though the Greenline is a hybrid, it still needs to be serviced at the same intervals of a normal car according to the dealership (I've had people tell me I could go longer between fluid changes (oil/transmission), which is wrong and may result in premature wear and component failure). For more information of how to locate the fill plug on this vehicle check out the video on TH-cam called "Saturn vue transmission fluid change part 1 of 2" that helped me as well. Anyway I'm at 197,000+ and still no issues with the engine or transmission itself because of proper maintenance... however, I've had other issues with the cooling system and AC - which are horrible in these cars. :(
I really appreciate your hard research and hope this helps. I also like how you didn't sponsor any particular transmission fluid and educated me on what Dexron actually is. I looked it up in Wikipedia and learned so much in the in process... very professional and educational!
I just did this for the 3rd time on my Saturn and now I'm watching a video on it. What sense does that make! With my mileage I don't plan on doing it again the procedure is a real hassle if laying on the ground. I must say though this high mileage transmission shifts like a dream. I wasn't expecting that kind of performance from a GM product.
Thank you I just did mine using your video! Shifting improved.
I'm going to be attempting this in 2 weeks. This video will be of great help. I will keep posted.
Kudos to you sir! Quality work is not dead! I appreciate the detailed video and specifically excellent lighting!
Thank you I hate that they changed it to not be user serviceable. I unfortunately don't have much of a choice but to do it myself so thank you so much for your videos
Hey I just recently purchased a 2000 Oldsmobile Alero with over 200,000 plus miles on it never been serviced excellent video very clear precise and simple especially about the bushing using the Tin Pan and measuring your fluids thank you I hope to see some more videos from you man
Got a question for you what type of transmission fluid should I use in a 2000 Oldsmobile Alero V6 manual says dextron 3 dealer says dextron 3 Valvoline maxlife looks like a good deal but I don't understand the specification arguments and the screw-ups on the advertising and all that junk . I did some other research and ATF md3 is supposed to be compatible with Dexron 3 I just don't want to screw up my transmission I'm doing a lot of work on this car already anything you can tell me would be helpful
Best tutorial video I've ever seen thanks
Dollar store turkey pan. One turkey saved. A transmission saved too.
thanks 4 video ,great example !
Thankyou for this video lol I am working on my 03 cavalier right now
Ive got an idea, scoot one of those small kiddie pools underneath and just go nuts with those bolts!!!
Torque used on 8mm bolts is 89 in manual but 124 in is what he recommends and I have had success.
Page 7-250 of the 2004 genuine GM 4T40E/4T45E service manual calls for 124 inch lbs / 14Nm of torque on those particular bolts. But 89 is not that far off to cause concerns and is even mentioned in another section of the manual, I mention this at 29:35
I cut a old brute garbage can down. Makes a great wide drain pan. Thanks for the video!
I managed to reach the fill bolt with my cobalt on the ground. I have pretty long arms and had to do it blind, but checking the location before hand helped.
Excellent video
Thank you for you video I got a malibu hybrid 09 and is no deep stick but I star today at 9 am and also engine oil change
Thanks Chevy for making life more difficult than it already is.
Great video, saved for future reference. Thank you
I know its an old video but I have à chevy malibu 06 v6 3.5l with an 4t45e and I didnt know about the fill plug overflow ... thx you help me alot withou knowing
Excelente video, me sera de gran utilidad, solo tengo un par de preguntas ¿se tiene que calentar el carro antes de vaciar el carter?
¿Para el llenado se tiene que hacer con el motor prendido?
Gracias. El coche no tiene que ser calentado para drenar. El procedimiento de llenado que muestro en este video no necesita el auto calentado ni el motor en marcha.
Pero si desea usar el procedimiento del manual de servicio que mencioné, entonces necesita que la transmisión esté calentada y el motor en marcha y el nivel del vehículo para que pueda verificar el tapón de nivel en la parte posterior. Sin embargo, no mostré este procedimiento en el video.
I just finished doing the same thing on a 2008 cobalt. Unfortunately you can’t get access to the plug when the car is ground level. Owner’s manual says seven quarts(pan drop plus new filter) and the guys at the parts store said their system shows 6.9 quarts. What drained out of the car was a tick under seven. So when I refilled I left a little in the seventh quart.
Advance auto says six quarts for just the pan plus two more if you drain the tork converters
Thank you very much for sharing! I'm from Ukraine!
Great Video man.
If your car goes in reverse but not forward that metal rod that you see up under the pan might be cracked. It takes four bolts to take it out ,and you have to pull on it by the bracket to see if it's broke or not ,alot of mechanics miss it.
I'm changing my fluid, ATP brands filter, pan and gasket from Amazon, and maybe bolts (Autozone has 20 mm bolts) or hardware store, allegedly M6 x 1 x 19mm), on my 19 year old 2004 Grand Am w/ this trans., since it's at 110k and I don't know if any previous owners did it. Also, because I'm changing the trans cooling lines assembly that are rusted away and just about to break and threaten to ruin the trans. And my pan has a dent in it that's rusting. Who drove my car over a curb? I've done AT changes on other cars. - I just read an oil change post warning people about getting under my car while it's running, to check the level at that plug, and getting hurt when accidentally hitting the trans rod into gear. To prevent this, they recommend you have the car (front wheels at least) on jack stands. I also recently read how it's safer to have all 4 wheels on jack stands, rather than just 1 wheel off the ground - a practice I had been doing for years. But regardless, I always have a 2nd, backup jack or jack stand before I get under a car, so if the original jack or stand falls - which happens, you're not crushed. I also block 2 wheels so it can't roll, before I jack it up. I've used bricks, and rubber wheel chocks from Harbor Freight, and I've made my own from 2x4's.
Good video. Going to do 2010 HHR soon.
Just finished this on daughters 2010 HHR. Easy peasy. Get OEM gasket. Put in 6.9 qts. Have 3 magnets in pan. Bought one but 2 were in there. Got out about 6.5 qts
Nice. My '05 Grand Am (ecotec) has never had a transmission fluid change. 350,000 miles one it. Think I should do this? It doesn't have any transmission problems yet, but I can't help but think it won't be long.
There's a school of thought that says when the mileage gets that high and you've not been doing the regular maintenance previously, you get into no good deed goes unpunished territory. ;-)
While I would definitely argue strongly against ever letting a shop do a transmission fluid _flush_ on a high mileage vehicle, the pan drain approach is usually safe and often puts more life on the unit. Especially on the models where you can change out the filter. On mileage that high I'd change the pan gasket too for sure. Definitely only use genuine GM parts on a high mileage transmission, you don't need any substandard import stuff cutting its life short.
Man this is excellent, thank you I think I'll attempt this in my sunfire soon. Any videos on replacing shocks and struts or engine codes for the 2.2l ??
Not for the Cavalier but Cobalt with same engine - th-cam.com/video/Eg1jU8itukA/w-d-xo.html
Great video and well explained sir! You seem very knowledgeable on these pan drops for GM transmissions. I'm getting ready to do this in my Cavalier. Quick question for your expertise; would you replace the square magnet found in the 4L/60 or 80 transmissions (one is Silverado HD & the other is a Tahoe) with one or both magnets like you did in this video or just leave the original in there? Thanks for any feedback!
Thanks. I would leave the original magnet(s) you find in a GM transmission/transaxle pan. Only if they are missing, or damaged (cracked/chipped etc), or there is a TSB (technical service bulletin) from GM requiring their replacement would I replace them with the same GM part number as they do not lose their magnetism over time and will basically outlive the vehicle otherwise.
Excelente video. Es el mismo procedimiento para un chevy malibu 2001?. Cuantos litros de aceite o fluido para transmisión debe llevar el malibu 2001? Saludos.
Gracias. Sí, el Chevrolet Malibu 2001 debería tener este mismo tipo de transmisión. Sin embargo, verifique la descripción del video para ver los códigos de opción para estar seguro.
Nice job on this step by step changing of the transmission fluid and filter.👍 However I noticed at the end of the video you had mentioned that you change yours at around $100,000. My manual says to change it every 50,000.I have a 2006 Chevy Malibu Lt 4cy that just hit 101,000 miles and luckily to date I have no transmission problems. Do you think I will have any transmission problems if I change out the fluid at this point? I am the second owner and I don't know if the previous owner did a transmission fluid. If you can add some light to anyone else watching I would appreciate it and thanks again for a well made video 😄
Thanks. You'll definitely want to defer to the maintenance schedule for your particular model year and GM brand. For whatever reason, the same transmission/transaxle may have different mileage recommendations across models and years. My advice on high mileage vehicles is do _not_ get a transmission flush done. This can cause problems on a high mileage vehicle due to the nature of the reverse flows involved with the flush machine.
But a run of the mill pan drain and fill like shown here is typically going to be all good/neutral. Especially since it's the only way to get the filter replaced.
Thanks
You can install drain plugs they sell kits.If only got 4 quarts your trans was very low on fluid should be at least 9 quarts
Good job
Great video, are you in the NY NJ PA CT area I would love to pay you to do the job in my 2003 Chevy caviler thanks.
Good video
Thanks for sharing, it looks like it can be messy. Is there room to drill a hole in the transmission pan and place one of those oil plugs that are used when the oil plug is damaged? I have a question about draining the fluid under the filling plug; I think there is a 14 mm bolt that drains out fluid through there. does that fluid needs to get drain out or it all goes back to the pan?
Yes it can be messy, unfortunately. If you prefer, there are aftermarket pans with a drain plug added you can purchase for these models. The kind of drain plug mod you are thinking of would require welding to be leak free. The filling plug I believe you are mentioning I did not show but did point out. I didn't show it because in order to use that fill check technique you have to have a car lift or get all four wheels level off the ground on jack stands. That one is not a drain, it's just used, when the transmission reaches an appropriate temperature, to determine if it is full or not. You can do the same thing by measuring what you take out and only adding the same back in. This, of course, presumes you were not low to begin with. ;-)
My 03 saturn ion, there is no pan but there's a drain plug how can I access the filter, I was told to partially take the transmission apart
It may be more similar to this model, where the filter cannot be accessed without a tear down/rebuild - th-cam.com/video/vWOiWWPrnEc/w-d-xo.html
Can you please tell me, do you check the ATF w/ the engine running, or off? TIA
For these particular automatic transaxles, for just checking the fluid level yeah you idle the engine to get the ATF up to temperature and then check it using the access bolt underneath the vehicle (there's no dipstick on the 4T40E or the 4T45E automatic).
Greetings! not so long ago I bought a car with a 4t40e transmission, I decided to change the fluid, as the previous owner said that the tears of virgins were flooded there. I bought Petro-Canada D3M, put a separate radiator, poured tears from the pallet, I got 5 liters from there by the way, poured the same amount of d3m, then I started the engine, removed the pipe from the radiator and drained the liter through the radiator, I turned off the engine, I added D3M liter . so I had 10 liters in total, and a beautiful liquid went.
and recently I read that GM recommends pouring Dextron 6 instead of Dextron 3. It has lower viscosity, less hydraulic loss while maintaining traction, etc.
What do you think if I'm in fresh dextron 3, share 5-6 dextron6 liters? Are my box performance better or not worth it? Or do I need to completely change the entire dextron? or is it worth nothing to pour?
Thanks for the detailed video. Can't fuck this up now. Shit, I shouldn't have said that... 🙄
Very good video! My friend has a 2006 Malibu with 115k miles, whose ATF has probably never been touched. Do you recommend changing the ATF now?
The original GM guidance to dealers was to change ATF fluid in vehicles with these particular automatic transmission (transaxle) models EVERY 50K miles; but only if the vehicle was mainly driven in hilly terrain or trailer towing or heavy city traffic (what GM considered "severe" duty service). The GM claim was every other use case could let the original ATF fluid go indefinitely hence why there was no dipstick or filler tube provided. In practice though Dexron III was never *that* good, and other GM vehicles using the exact same Dexron III ATF fluid called for a fluid service every 100K miles. That's what I recommend to owners on these aging models too in order to help extend the life of the transmission as with heat and age the chemical properties of ATF do degrade and the fluid filter does degrade. Remember GM doesn't stay in business unless they are selling new vehicles, so I recommend taking manufacturer claims of being maintenance free for life skeptically when a lubricant or fluid gets over 10 years old & 100K miles of heat under it. ;-)
@@DrShock Thank you! Changed it 2 years ago . So far so good! Did not want to get under a running car, so I just measure how much was grained and put the same amount back in.
Hola buenas noches.... Tengo una duda en la cantidad de litros de aceite hidráulico que usa la caja del pontiac sunfire automatico , motor 2.4 ? Me puedes ayudar?
Busca en el manual de tu carro en internet yo así encontré el mío
I have a 2003 Cavalier and I was looking into doing this fluid change. Great video btw, I have a few questions:
- Dorman sells a fluid pan for this transmission that comes with a drain bolt (Part # 265809), it's available on RockAuto. Have you considered using that fluid pan? I'm gonna be ordering it myself for future fluid changes, as well as new circle magnets.
- The vehicle I'll be doing the service on, it has over 140k miles. Would it be appropriate to use MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF from Valvoline, or should I use DEX VI or DEX III? The MaxLife fluid says it's compatible with DEX VI, and I know DEX VI is DEX III compatible, but I wanted a second opinion on the matter.
Thanks for your time
ATF brand isn't so much of a concern as long as it's certified GM Dexron VI. I usually use ACDelco brand, but if I find another name brand cheaper I'll use that too. I will not use unknown off brands though.
Personally I'm a fan of sticking to OEM genuine GM parts. This job is a bit messy for lack of a drain plug, but you have to drop the pan anyway to change the filter. Dorman products are usually of sketchy quality, so just be sure that the gasket sealing area, and drain bung, is manufactured well as leaks would be the primary risk with a Dorman pan.
@@DrShock Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I haven't had issues with Dorman parts in the past, but I'll keep that in mind going forward. Looking at reviews on Amazon, it appears to be quality and a lot of people have had good experiences with it. If you'd like, I can reply to this later on and let you know how it works out for me.
Looking into it, Valvoline MaxLife appears to be "100 percent compatible with the DEXRON VI for mixing or flushing a system" so I going to be using that for the fluid/filter change. I, too, am not really concerned with the brand so long as it's a known quality brand. I was just trying to figure out compatibility.
@@willersmunk1 I also like Valvoline MAXlife AT fluid, especially if I'm concerned about compatibility for older cars. I usually buy it at Walmart at $20 gal, but just did a search and it's up to $24 or so now, while NAPA, believe it or not, today has it at a little over $20 in my region! As I have a different used car every few years, which it will likely be good in, and it can also be used in power steering pumps, I still buy it by the gallon to save money.
I have a 08 chevy Malibu with this same closed transmission. Should I change the fluid ? It has little over 74k miles on it, and I dont know if the transmission fluid ever was changed before. I got this car at 72k miles
It's often true that when no maintenance has ever been done on these GM transmissions, that it's best to leave them alone until they reach end of life. That's typically if someone has let 100K or more miles accumulate with no maintenance performed though. The reason is that performing the maintenance after that arbitrary mileage point can often introduce problems with tired out seals.
For what you have, if it were me, I'd perform the maintenance if its specified in your owner's manual since its below that arbitrary threshold. Not all models called for any maintenance to be performed.
@@DrShock thank you for your response. The car did not come with the owners manual, however, I found one online for my model and the scheduled maintenance is supposed to be done at 50k intervals severe service only. Now, I do not know what actually constitutes severe service.
Severe service should be defined in the owner's manual before the maintenance schedules, it's typically defined as frequent stop and go type driving (i.e., a taxi), frequent towing, etc.
are these transmissions problematic ?
My 2004 needed couple more quarts after reached fill plug with car running.
What brand fluid weee you using?
If I'm working on a rebuilt/remanufactured 4T4 transmission that is still under any sort of GM warranty, I only use ACDelco branded Dexron VI (links in the description) ATF (and save your receipts to avoid any warranty claim drama). But if the transmission is out of warranty, like in this vid, then I like O'Reillys' store brand of Dexron VI ATF.
Sir I wanted to ask. When you put the pan gasket did you use any silicone or grease on it ? Or did you just use the gasket itself? Has it had anyleaks ?
No, GM advises not to use anything but their gasket here. If you use a non-GM part, that guidance might not apply tho. And no, no leaks ever and I've done this on many Cobalts and Cavaliers. Right tools, right parts, right procedures - everything just works. ;-)
Haha awesome alright sir thankyou very much you've been really great help
I wonder if it is safe to do this at 125,000 miles?
Safe? This procedure is a GM _required_ maintenance step, check your owners manual for the mileage interval your model specified.
how much torque is applied in lb ft
Only fasteners in this video with a torque value would be the pan bolts, specified at around 29:53 time index. The values are not in foot pounds as per GM specifications these small bolts are expressed in inch pounds to avoid damaging the aluminum transmission housing threads.
I have a 09 Malibu 4 cyl, in the past month I notice twice times that the vehicle does not pass 40 Miles, it was like if she was traying yo shift but she couldnt, you think the fluid change is gonna fix it?
Short answer, maybe. ATF is a lubricant, a hydraulic component, and to some degree a coolant for the automatic transmission. The reason for changing it is to restore the best chemical properties for all three needs that fade after 100K miles or so. And changing the filter is done to insure that fresh ATF is flowing freely and cleanly. Now that all said, if you're very low on ATF (e.g., due to a leak), or the fluid filter is clogged up, then this sort maintenance procedure could have a noticeable improvement. Like changing your engine's oil, this is something that needs to be done as preventative maintenance. Once something is already amiss it's rarely a fix so I would set your expectations on the low side.
What type of bolts to I use my bolt heads are off and I can’t tell I have a 02 cavalier
is the transmission pan on the driver side or passenger side?
Like in the video, it's the big "L" shaped pan on this transmission model, you can't miss it. Off center, slightly towards drivers side.
Hello sir do you happen to know where the camshaft sensor( not the crankshaft sensor) is located on this vehicle?
The vehicle shown is a 2004 Cavalier which uses the 2.2L Ecotec engine, which does *not* have a camshaft sensor. None of the Cavalier/Sunfire models have this type of sensor.
@@DrShock thanks my check engine light is on I hooked up my code reader and it read "p0340 camshaft sensor circuit" in your experience what do you think would cause this?
I haven't chased that code on this model of vehicle. That code reader text you have there is generic of course, and can't account for engine designs that don't use a camshaft sensor (aka a CMP). For ones without a CMP it's going to be more involved tracking it down.
The Ecotec 2.2L from the Cavalier era (thru 2005) would instead use an ignition control module (ICM). Barring any wiring problems between the ICM and the main computer (PCM), I'd start looking at the ICM. You'll need a service manual really as the ICM testing procedure is many steps long. The ICM signal is coming in from the ignition coil assembly, and that would be another place to check next.
@@DrShock much appreciated thanks for your time.
What gloves do you wear for this work? :-)
nitrile
@@DrShock TY :-)
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Do U not need to warm car to get correct level
If you use the fluid plug removal method I mentioned, but did not show, yes you need to get the power train up to temp. For that method though you'll need a lift or some other means of getting all four wheels off the ground and level. For the shade-tree method, no you don't have to worry about the temp because you're adding back only exactly the amount you removed.
i have a 2005 chevy classic with a 2.2 ecotec is that the same engine?
Same engine but slightly newer transmission design. Most likely your 05 Classic model has the 4T45E transmission. Should be equivalent for this videos' topic though.
@@DrShock thank you very much
Wwish you'd measure those magnets & tell me how thick they are? How tall?
Didn't note these details. But one should only be using the actual transmission application rated magnet part specified and not a substitute in this case. There are stated differences in the GM service bulletin (provided in the video description) as to the material composition of this specific magnet as being different in order to prevent ferrous sediment saturation.
On a 07 pontiac g5 2.2 vin -F......how do I know if I need a 4t40 or 4t45?
Nice and detailed! Thank you for your efforts! I have a 2000 2.2 Cavalier. I can't find the TSB. I do have same transmission. Are those magnets applicable to that car do you know? Thanks again.
TSB #08-07-30-040 with probably a "B" at the end depending on the most recent flavor. Applies to 2002 thru 2009 models only.
Thank you sir! You are amazing. This apparently does not apply to my 2000 Cavalier, but I do have the same transmission you have and will be performing the same proceedure as the one you outlined. Your car is VERY clean and I think you are a stickler for detail based on what I can see. I can appreciate that! Thank you so much for taking the time to reply back, I really appreciate it. I'm subscribing, hitting the notification bell and of course commenting! Thank YOU! BTW: I just purchased this 2000 Cavalier from my next door neighbor who can no longer drive. He is the original owner and the car now has 80K miles. I have ALL service records and the car was driven like the 93 y/o man who owned it would typically drive. Initially I thought I'd sell it, but I tend to think it might be a good reliable back up. A/C works great, so important here in Florida. I just purchased a new set of Michelins and did a LONG list of items at RockAuto focused on radiator, hoses, thermostat, filters, etc.. I'm a capable home mechanic and have done all my own work on all my cars. Probably the only thing I would let someone else do is rebuild a transmission, but I've never had one go out as I service my cars a lot like you. Mobil 1 synthetic oil change today with Wix extreme filter. I suspect my $700 purchase price will pay off if I tend to the car like you do. Thanks again!
How did you clean the pan?
Manually wiping down with those blue absorbent type shop towels from Scott brand. I don't recommend using any solvents.
esta transmision va en el saturn Vue 2008 ?
Podría serlo, aunque sorprendentemente las transmisiones automáticas de Honda también se usaron en algunas configuraciones. Verifique la etiqueta de información de piezas de servicio para el código de opción MN5; de lo contrario, es la de Honda. La etiqueta plateada para esto en un Vue, creo, está ubicada en una de las jambas de la puerta del lado del conductor. Adhesivo plateado con filas y filas de códigos de opción de tres caracteres.
It might be, though surprisingly Honda automatic transmissions were used in some configurations as well. Check the service parts information sticker for option code MN5, otherwise it's the Honda one. The silver sticker for this on a Vue, I believe, is located on one of the drivers side door jambs. Silver sticker with rows and rows of three character option codes.
@@DrShock Gracias 👌❤️
I have a question for you what type of transmission fluid should I use I have V6 2000 Oldsmobile Alero manual says dextron 3 dealer says dextron 3 and then research says ATF md3 meets the specs and some compatible with Dexron 3 what do you think about Valvoline maxlife multi engine compatibility
I always go with what the factory recommends for GM, Dexron. Though Dexron III is discontinued now, you can use Dexron VI which is backwards compatible with all previous formulations. Personally I don't think brand names matter but you want to avoid generic "ATF" fluids, and look for those that explicitly state Dexron VI compatible. I found O'Reily's and Walmart both had several products that did when this video was done.
Следуя Вашим видеорекомендациям ,сам поменял масло и фильтр в коробке 4t45e Saturn VUE.
124 would that be 9 LBS ? Of torque
Little over 10lbs.
Converting to electric engine with 4t40e/ 4t45e as in going with,removing crank shaft sensor ,and cam shaft sensor,from engine,and running it with the 2 transmission motion sensors together two,and two. Computer thinks the engine is still in the car,and easy go from there assembly.
google cannot find the magnets by #25935617 - where did you get yours
You've got a typo there, its GM 29535617. I have the numbers in the video description as well.
yeah, I have sex daily too, I mean dyslexia
thats what i do, i replace what came out
So you used 6.1 or 6.9 qts?
If you have a four wheel lift like a QuickJack, I'd suggest using the fluid plug check method but it does requires a driving level position with the engine running while lifted. In my case I only recalled I didn't have access to a lift handy at the end of the video and went with measuring what I took out instead. Each car might be a little different depending on whether it was low or overfull to begin with, but in my case the ATF volume ended up being measured (by pouring the drain pan contents back into empties) as 6 full quarts and 4/5 of a 7th as mentioned at 32:44
What size wrench is used for the fill indicator bolt? Great video by the way. Thanks for posting!
First make sure you have located the correct bolt head for the fluid level control plug, it's on the passenger side facing the outwards towards the wheel. You'll have to have the vehicle on a lift to access it (car must be SAFELY & SECURELY on level ground, in park, with engine running during fill check procedure). Once fluid dribbles out it's full. I don't recall the exact size, but I *think* its a 11mm head bolt. Re-seal threads with GM 12345382 (aka Loctite 242) and re-torque to 124 INCH lbs.
on a 2006 malibu maxx can i use dextron VI??
Each version of the GM Dexron specification supercedes the prior version so yes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEXRON
Sir, how many miles between transmission oil changes and do you use synthetic transmission fluid, Thks
I've only used Dexron as GM factory recommended fill. When GM recommended fluid and filter changes, it was every 100K miles, so I still follow that on these "maintenance free" models.
Thks, sir is that 2.2 motor s good motor and how many miles on engine,
212K
What size socket do i need ??
Mentioned at 1:10
If you take the bolt all the way out where you check to see if you have enough, you can drain most of it there, then you do the pan.
While I wasn't able to show that procedure here, you're only supposed to remove that when the transmission is up to temperature, and the vehicle is fully level with all four wheels off the ground. If you're getting fluid out of the top off bolt otherwise, you've over filled it to begin with or you don't have the vehicle level.
How many miles is on this car? And has it been changed before?
This was the second time for this vehicle at 150K miles now.
Mine is at 165k and i dont think its ever been service but manual
Rock auto n ATP brand has same good filters n gaskets for 14 to 21 bucks for the kit.oem.
For those without a lift...drop the vehicle down making sure its not on a hill. Fill the top with oil until it starts to spill in the bottom. Jack the car back up and add the drain plug.
Smart!!! I like it!
Sir, great video, is there room in transmission pan to install a drain plug, Thks
Personally I'm not one to modify from the factory design, but yes I think you would have room to drill and weld in the tap for one in a few spots that would not hit anything if the plug was short enough.
They selling aftermarket transmission pan that has a plug built in I think it's about 80 bucks
Is it same for manual?
No, manual transmission service is totally different
@@DrShock is it harder or easier?
@@DrShock its just a drain plug and refill aint it? 1.8 quarts
I'm not really sure, I haven't done a manual trans
How many liters?
The engine? The 2.2L
@@DrShock the automatic transmission.. motor 2.0
Andres, in the US we measure it in quarts of course and I'm not sure of the completely empty capacity including the converter. This particular repair won't trigger a full spec refill of ATF anyway as you have the converter still full only the pan and filter area is drained, so you can only add the same amount of ATF as you took out. Or as I mention in the video if you have a level lift you should use the ATF drain overfill plug to determine when its topped off to be more accurate. Would be a bad thought to just add ATF by the liter.
@@DrShock thanks
Well, don't use a torque wrench from harbor freight. Never heard or felt a click and ended up twisting off a bolt.
Harbor freight makes inexpensive tools and can be great for many hand tools, but yeah I wouldn't use them for something precision.
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Almost a great job - rate it only as a good job - -- WHY --- did not show what oil - type or kind you used or should be used !!!! (GM or aftermarket)
GM does not “make” ATF but they logo it from others. I mention in the video description you should be using DEXRON VI ATF. Your owners manual will specify the type as it varies by year but all the older ones have been superceded by now. The ATF brands that carry this DEXRON designation are all exactly the same as GM controls the formulation in order to use their trademark on the bottle.
@@DrShock 2005 - there are many re-marketed / Brand oils - but no one really knows whats inside / behind
the label, so how does one tell if the exact specification/contents [are they honest/ priority / secret / truthful] are not listed on the label. What time frame is that description you state? Do they change the oil just to screw with the public even by just relabeling .....LOL
This is why you only should buy an ATF that carries the DEXRON trademark on the bottle. GM controls what's inside to use that mark. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEXRON
Thanks for the video! I bottomed out on a bad road and peeled the front of the trans pan back, losing fluid. I replaced the pan, gasket & filter, but unfortunately didn't have access to jack stands or a lift. Can I assume that 6.9 quarts would be the maximum the refill would take? Thanks again for taking the time, and for the effort inmaking this very helpful and clear video available for novices like me! All the best, Jan-Mikael
Maximum yes, but you will have some undetermined about in the torque converter is why I wouldn't say just fill it with 7 qts. In your situation though I'd be more concerned about cleaning all the dirt and debris out, definitely new filter time.
Many thanks for the reply!
Same thing just happened to me 🤦🏻♂️.
I have a 2007 Saturn ion 2.2L I4, does it also have this transmission?
In the video description, there are the three character codes that you would find on your options sticker. That would tell if you have this transmission. The factory options sticker is usually in the glove box door, or in the rear trunk area.
Is the same for the 04 malibu classic?
If it has one of the transmission models in the video title it should be the same.
@@DrShock okay thank you. Im about to do the first fluid change that i know of on my car. The fluid is brown lol
So glad i watched your video i was successful. Thanks again