2012 BMW F800ST commuter review & test ride
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ต.ค. 2015
- Design pros & cons for all-season riding, identical models 2006 - 20013 BMWF800ST
COMMUTER REVIEW TEST PARAMETERS:
In commuting the following maneuvers are performed regularly:
- U-turns at walking pace
- pushing, parking, reversing the bike
- 1st gear full acceleration for merging
- 1st-2nd gear lane changes, avoidance path maneuvers
- shoulder checks, mirror checks throughout the entire rpm range
Bike is further evaluated to assess its:
- possible interaction with corrosive road salting in winter
- weather protection for winter riding
- rider ergonomics, vibration, noise, visibility and ease of operation of controls
- carrying capability (e.g. a lunchbox)
- ease of access for maintenance items (chain/belt, oil, brakes)
That`s how a bike is ridden, that`s how it`s assessed. The above list excludes wheelies, circus stunts, riding at speeds over speed limits, aggressive lean angle cornering.
If a bike does not fit the description, so be it. If a model does not work out for commuter purpose, I`ll say so. My findings on how a bike performs are posted, irrelevant to manufacturer`s gift-wrapped sales pitch. I`m not a motorcycle journalist, I`m not paid to say nice things, kind things or things that increase sales. I just post what I find out. Facts.
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Its a fantastic bike, however that is based on my needs and what I want in a bike.
Positives for me:
- Great fuel economy
- Belt driven
- Great balanced bike
- Very light up top
- Great dash; Fuel, Gear, etc
- Suits my needs
I usually don't comment videos I don't like but this review was so bad that a dislike just does not do. When you say it is "slow to accelerate", what do you compare it to? The F800s series does 0-100 km/h in something like 3.5 seconds, which is about half of a second slower than liter 4 cylinder inline 1000ccm sportbikes. The steering dumper prevents tank slappers when the weight is taken off the front wheel.
Do you have a drivers license? Even if you do, you should take a safety course to assure safe driving. The bike has awesome torque and can be started from third gear easily. It does 220km/h fine, no "pushing it beyond 100km/h" required.
Acceleration parameters are clearly laid out in the video description, just read it. It is not a drag race comparison. No safe riding course fixes the bike`s engine characteristics, gearing, materials, dimensions or finish. This is what BMW put in the shop window for 2012, it is what it is.
I agree. He's a bike killer!
Learn to ride properly first before criticising the bike!
+Paul Newland Sure.
1 Let us all know what the actual definition of "proper" is in the context of riding and then
2 proceed to explain how "proper riding" helps fix some of the engineering and design issues of the bike. Make sure to include how "proper riding" makes the panniers bigger and how"proper riding" creates a more responsive engine or one with more horsepower and torque.
3 Sum up by explaining how mastering "proper riding" as defined by you is a pre-condition that absolutely must come before having the ability of criticizing.
Lay it on me. After that I`ll have a list of personal suggestions for you that must come before you post another comment thread on youtube.
I own this bike - the GT version. It’s flawless and a dream machine !!
How did he get a license? He would never pass the test in England riding as he does. I feel sorry for anyone who bought one of his second hand bikes. And if I were a dealership after seeing this video he would never be allowed to take a bike out on a test ride.
Sure, cutie? I still remember the street layout in Market Harborough.
Keep your grade 4 opinion and imaginary ownership home in Kettering, ok?
I also don`t sell ANYTHING on this channel or anywhere, this includes bikes, might want to actually pay attention and catch up with that grade 4.
do you mean the UK
Thanks man. Nice review.
Good useful information.
Grandpa Touring suits me fine :-)
Dampners are for safety also for hitting potholes ore objects in the road
Wow that's the worst gear changeling I've ever seen , I could feel it on my iPad . where did this guy learn to ride !!!!
Irrelevant, will not improve the bike`s suspension, vibration, buffeting, choice of materials, functionality ...
which motorcycle with 800 cc has more torqe?
And yout gear changes are a bit granpa ( slaggish) too
Steering damper is a great thing for this bike because it is quite light bike with the low central gravity point(petrol tank is almost somewhere under your ass), steering was very light, based on my short test ride some years ago it was supers stable on the highway speed, don’t think it could be as stable without steering damper.
Thanks for commenting
I love your review - I wish all reviews were this honest - you have saved me alot of money🤔
Thanks for watching!
It's weird how people get so offended if someone criticises the bike they have or like. Why take it so personal? If you don't like someone's review then why not do your own to address the points they have raised? Maybe they are too lazy or just want to find a reason to attack people.
It is weird. Their self-esteem is tied to their preferences, anything outside that comfort zone is unacceptable. It happens, called village mentality among other names. Well documented in psychology.
Thanks for watching.
Wish u knew more about motorcycles......
Me too
What an idiot can do :-) Ex-trialrider and this is my 11th BMW and run over 1 milj kms in total.
If you can ride a bike properly, the ST is a great bike with very good handling and you can even drive off-road with it.
+Kries2 After 8 years commuting still no rust, no problems untill now. Winteruse mostly. In summer I use the bike :-)
+Kries2 Interesting. Have some detail shots on subframe and passenger footrest condition, paint close-ups, plastic/windshield fading? How is ease of cleaning winter muck off?
Come over to Belgium or Germany and you can see the state of the bike. It 's my 11th BMW and, as usual, fork has owidation due to winter use. For the rest... no visual or technical problems and I only ride in bad weather. When the weather is ok I use my bike for the 25 km one way and I clean the F 3 times a year. It 's build for driving, not for cleaning :-)
Will try to send pics of the actual state
No riding abilities...blaming what is a fine bike....Enough power....won't let you down...unreal economy....Great handling and comfort....slick gears and useful gear indicator ...I suggest testing automatic scooters...
I got a ZX-6R which I used for 7 years. That had enough power and handling I liked. Now I'm on bicycles in Ironman races, but still nothing automatic.
Stick with bicycle 🚲
First of all, thanks for your video. I appreciate the effort and the footage. From it I was able to see much that other reviews don't show. What I cannot understand is how this could represent a commuting review. No commuter rides his bike or any other bike as poorly as yoo do.
Your rev matching when you shift gears is just cringy. You also forget to watch your rev meter when attempting to start from 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear and don't give it enough gas to keep revs over 1,5k. If this thing had one cylinder less it would send you flying straight over the handlebar. And when it comes to torque, you have to know the torque diagram of your bike first.I presume that this bike produces "useful" torque for commuting between 3k and 6k rpm, anything over or under that is to be avoided if you are accelerating.
Your so called commuting review also lacks pretty much all important information and/or presentation that someone like me is looking for. Starting in second or third gear is meaningless for us commuters. Also those bag sizes could be adequate for most commuters that are filtering everyday.
Important things to review are acceleration to 30km/h, 50km/h, 100km/h from standstill and how much you have to squeeze it to out accelerate cars.
How bad is the vibration that is present in every bike? Is the bike smooth? How loud is it (I like it quiet for long commutes). Does it feel heavy at low speeds? Can it be easily squeezed in between two cars waiting at the intersection? How well it manuevers at very low speeds (5-10km/h). Can I ride it over the curb? How much clearance does it have? When does the reserve light for fuel come on? What is its turning diameter? Is the bike jumpy at low throttle openings when accelerating from standstill or does it feel nimble? It is important for a bike to feel linear and not jumpy if you commute much, especially in bad weather or in winter. Bike has to be predictable to prevent tyres slipping.
Also what is the bike like when riding two up or when those bags are full of groceries?
What is the fuel consumption in the city / on the motorway?
How well does the fairing protect you from bad weather/wind?
What are the controls like ; are they intuitive or just plain weird?
How does the gearbox feel when shifting different gears at different rpms...
Also the most of the test should be done at low rpms and the torque down there.
Most of us commuters usually ride at low rpm and shift very softly while rev matching to keep the engine and other components wear low and the fuel consumption economical.
Also the brakes and other traction technologies (ABS etc..) should be tested to see how well the bike stops...
Thank you for your thoughtful input and ideas. I will definitely use them for future reviews.
Let me explain how this video still relates to commuting.
As the description says below the video:
Design pros & cons for all-season riding, identical models 2006 - 20013 BMWF800ST
COMMUTER REVIEW TEST PARAMETERS:
In commuting the following maneuvers are performed regularly:
- U-turns at walking pace
- pushing, parking, reversing the bike
- 1st gear full acceleration for merging
- 1st-2nd gear lane changes, avoidance path maneuvers
- shoulder checks, mirror checks throughout the entire rpm range
Bike is further evaluated to assess its:
- possible interaction with corrosive road salting in winter
- weather protection for winter riding
- rider ergonomics, vibration, noise, visibility and ease of operation of controls
- carrying capability (e.g. a lunchbox)
- ease of access for maintenance items (chain/belt, oil, brakes)
It just needs to be read.
1 Rev meter is not forgotten to watch - it is called merging with highway traffic. Let us know if it doesn`t relate to commuting.
2 Start from 2nd gear - during an emergency stop there may not be time to shift to N. Let us know if emergency stops and restarts from higher gears is not event that can occur during metro commuting.
3 Unfortunately ideal or peak torque is irrelevant to riding in busy traffic, it is up to the manufacturer to make a product that produces enough torque from idle rpm on. Riders should focus on space margins and minding other road users, not what gear the bike is in or is the engine overheating.
4 Bag sizes are tolerable, their design is retarded. Will still work for many people, but are greatly improved upon by BMW since th-cam.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=yitEwsuqhss
5 Acceleration to 30, 50, 80 has been filmed, you can see times in the playback line. Tenths of seconds are irrelevant, this is not a track use bike.
6 Noise, vibration, weight and low speed handling, linear fuelling are mentioned. Ground clearance and curb hopping is for enduro bikes.
7 Turning diameter is in a speech bubble somewhere, reserve light or fuel economy figures need longer tests usually and are tangential to commuting as insurance is based on engine size, rider`s claim history, there are gas stations everywhere in town.
8 Groceries relate to the retarded bag design again, 2 people hardly ever commute on a bike. That`s touring.
9 Wind noise & fairing is specifically mentioned in detail many times throughout, controls and gearbox feel are good ideas for future videos.
10 Stopping distances and brake assessment - thanks again for those tips for future videos.
I really appreciate your feedback, thanks for commenting. Check out the newer F800 GT (a real one, not only the link), it is definitely better than the old.
Just for the record, aluminum will corrode as well. You go on about the steel subframe rusting and only being protected by paint?? Do you plan on keeping the steel subframe in a bath of salt water, I mean seriously are you expecting it to rust through from water alone??? Buds, you have zero idea what the hell you are talking about, let alone trying to do a review. My advice is leave it to people that have half a clue, because you obviously have none.
I live nex to the sea, just chill out.
And that relates to Aluminium corrosion how?
Hey! I laughed when you attempted to ride the bike how it should not be ridden. What motorcycle do you operate yourself? Take any sporty bike with 3-4 cylindres and you get worse torque at low rpm, even if they promise 200 horsepowers in the shiny magazine. If you want to be a lowrider, try some choppers or singles- they may be more suitable for your needs! Although you will get more vibrations. I testrode the f800 and although it is no powerhorse, the power you get is well controllable and close to always sufficient (german motorway allows speeds of 300+ kph, this bike won't last long in the left lane).
+0815Luther Hence the title: COMMUTER REVIEW.
In commuting the following manouvers are performed regularly:
U-turns at walking pace
pushing, parking, reversing the bike
1st gear full acceleration for merging
1st-2nd gear lane changes, avoidance path manouvers
shoulder checks, mirror checks throughout the entire rpm range
Bike is further evaulated to assess its:
possible interaction with corrosive road salting in winter
Weather protection for winter riding
Carrying capability (e.g. a lunchbox)
Ease of access for maintenance items (chain/belt, oil, brakes)
That`s how a bike is ridden, that`s how it`s assessed. If a bike does not fit the description, so be it. If a model does not work out for commuter purpose, I`ll say so. My findings on how a bike performs are posted, irrelevant to manufacturer`s gift-wrapped sales pitch. I`m not a motorcycle journalist, I`m not paid to say nice things, kind things or things that increase sales. I just post what I find out.
Thanks for watching.
+0815Luther I commute on this bike: th-cam.com/video/K2YMxZAa7-o/w-d-xo.html
Some details I found quite interesting, too: Why a stabiliser? This thing makes the machine hard to maneuver at low speeds. You pointed out corrosion: With these bikes it's a thing, really. I owned a f 650 cs and I had to repaint it myself because of rust. But I think if you watch out for weak spots, you might get along with the drawbacks. I simply do not like 4 cyl, they have to be revved like hell to get some emotions out, but I like the quality of Japanese bikes over the overpriced BMW's. Cheers m8, ride safe!
+0815Luther By design, oil in the steering damper SHOULD be free flowing at low speeds, flow should be restricted at high-speeds (of steering input) - in theory, when units are serviced or maintained in perfect working order. You`re right, even so there is no frictionless system, it adds to low-speed steering effort.
I had a 2007 Suzuki V-Strom 650, I had to paint over the subframe x footrest bracket weld, too. My luggage mounting bolts rusted in. It sucked. I hated the thing. It needs a lot of watching out for.
Thanks for commenting!
Compare to Minner Q's review, you reach the same conclusions about the ride and the difference is that he, with an MPH speedometer, kept it in third or lower the whole ride, often blasting out to 100MPH away from a traffic light (out in California, I presume, where bikes can cut between the two lanes on the expressway, jump the queue, though I also noticed he almost got creamed once zipping through an intersection like that: check it out). But never any higher than third. He compared it to his S1000R. I have a K75RT, I'm looking at a F800ST maybe, and this K75 really doesn't go anywhere in a hurry unless you're closer to the redline, like, say, 5000 or 5500 out of 8500, maybe. The bags, good point, they look sexy on the one I'm looking at but they look odd, now I know why: they're so small. The rear-upper frame, my F650CS was the same way, but didn't show much corrosion except at the welds, surface. Did you watch Campesino's review of the first model year, he got burned big-time by BMW, it sounds like, four or five different major failures, including the rear bearing I guess we've all heard about. Thanks for the attempt at candor. I think you'll like Minner Q's for the same reason. I wonder how old he is and how much older he's going to get.
Thanks for watching & commenting. Copy the mentioned links in, please, so we can find those other videos easily. Here is mine on the 2014 - 2016 F800GT th-cam.com/video/yitEwsuqhss/w-d-xo.html BMW improved the bike very positively. Test ride one, you`ll be impressed.
I've got a K75S which I love. It has enough power to get you into trouble! It's overweight though, so I'm toying with the idea of a lighter F bike.
just an additional information ferritic stainless steels are magnetic.
So are duplex and martensitic, ie. chef knives, etc. Here is more about it: th-cam.com/video/liu9OjnoZbc/w-d-xo.html
I know, just in case written to let people know that the magnet experiment you do, does not work all the time. Cause they may use a ferritic stainless steel and it will atrract the magnet as you know but still it's stainless. and if ı were you I would work on my teaching for explaining things such as crystal structure ( talking for the other video).
dude.. seriously.. you really need to learn to how ride a motorcycle. if you been riding like this all this while, you doing it all wrong! seriously, go and have a check on your riding. this is my honest opinion. Btw you reviewed well until the moment you ride the motor. And please don't compare a touring to a sports perspective, it's totally misleading.
Again I beg.. please learn to how ride and change your riding style, it's gonna knacker you or your machine one day..
I'm being sincere. take care
Do tell how motorcycles should be ridden so all can be educated here who reads it. Include your credits of achievement as it relates to the skill of correct riding.
theoverengineer theoverengineer I'm no achiever of international racing rider neither a renowned a grand prix championship racer that sort, but I do have 3 level of riding in all class cc to begin with, certification in beginner defensive riding, intermediate defensive riding and evasive maneuvers riding and some track days riding and a mix of off and on road competition runner up and here's my humble pointers ,
dragging those gears will knicker your gear box for sure,
miss matching your gears at speeds ruin your clutch plate prematurely, revving excessively on gear one in a nono for non racing bikes, skipping up gears will shorten your belt life, and don't even compare different categories of bikes as one. that's the reason they have, super sports, sports, sport touring, enduro, road bike, cruiser, retro, classic, commuter, dual sport and etc as categories.
my 2 cents opinion though
Thanks for sharing, it`s good stuff. Quick question:
skipping up gears will shorten your belt life -how exactly?
(given that a belt`s life is over wher it has elongated beyond its specified wear limit)
How does skipping up gears place excessive force over the belt causing it to elongate faster than its expected rate of failure?
Well, its something like the rubber band effect, It's sort of the tension created between the skiped gears exerting the force on the belt drive, cause each gear creates different power band and force thus tension the belt in an irregular manner. So if the action is regularly applied, will have effect on its drivetrain both belt drive and even sprocket chain drive.
Hope this swift explanation is clear enough.
Clear enough, thanks.
Now, what`s dragging those gears will knicker your gear box?
Dude. A thousandth of an inch of paint is a problem too? I take it you must drive an all aluminum car like an NSX but judging by your ignorance it's probably a Saturn.
Who said it is a problem? Why would it be a problem? Pick up the pace and pay attention.
In days of old, GT stood for gentleman's tourer, ie classy and not for yobs, well it did for BMW before they went populist.
I must be getting slow in my old age touring the country at a 140 km per hour ? My st 100000 km on it, go harder go faster simple go bigger
You criticize a motorcycle when you can't shoot a decent video nor ride a bike to save your life.
Is the title; "How to shoot a perfect video"?
Is the title "How to ride perfectly"?
If not, go easy on those recreational drugs and pay attention with your remaining brain cells.
Better take it easy,the motor sounds like its gonna explode.....lots of ticking going on...
cringe review...ughhhhhh! poor bikes that this guys rides.....
Can`t help with your lack of focus and sore self esteem. Go see your therapist again.
Same happened to me, I have to stop the video at minute: 9.50 and start reading the comments to find a lot of people have the same reaction as me.
Dear me, what a negative person. Obviously not sponsored by BMW 😂
Yeah I was underwhelmed with BMW, with several models in fact over the years even today. Thanks for watching!
Wtf? Review? Bad job for you. ST is great bike, bit not for you. 😄😄😄
is this joe biden trying to prove somthing?