I've noticed everyone who gets murdered is described as "sweet," "kind," or "popular." I've decided to live the rest of my life as a stark raving b*tch to make sure I never get murdered.
They always say that but then something comes out about the victim being into some dodgy shit, like “she was a prostitution and a drug addict but she was such a sweet girl” so I dunno…
@@jessewru6425 Gotta be fair to my boy Lazy on this one; back in the day he didn't flinch at leaving naughty words in. Blame the platform, not the creator.
Safe to assume her employers did it. Being a painter and a photographer, they would most likely have multiple studios or shops where they do their work and where they could hide/dispose of a body, and a dumpster at their home was on fire around the time the victim's remains were found, and the artwork is all way too coincidental.
@ Legionmint, my heart breaks for her family as well. Karina Holmer, like many other people, decide to come to the US for better or different opportunities and in less than a year Karina lost her life in the most brutal and horrific manner. Her family must face the nightmare as each day followed by years which turn into decades for Karina to have justice only for that opportunity to never materialize. RIP Karina Holmer 😢
@@NatureLover-62 Most people from Sweden going to the US are doing it for the experience, not to get a better life. I assure you life is a lot better in Sweden than in the US. According to most ranking lists the world's best country to live in is Sweden, as it ranked highest on the world report Quality of Life Index that measured attributes ranging from economic stability and progressivism to innovation and geographical attractions.
It's sad... Everyday technology evolves to the point were old cases can have other chances and get solved, but in this case, there's no evidence, I don't see we ever finding out what happened to Karina unless someone who knows something comes forward...
That does happen with a lot of cases though fortunately. The headlines are like COPS SOLVE CASE!! And you find out someone came forward and said "my ex husband told me he did it" Great job cops
Probably just clothes they used during the murder, not the bottom half. It's strange leaving one half so easily findable, while hiding the other so well.
@@dimikaydoesthings I hate to even mention this but has anyone heard the song Sarah by Tyler the Creator? He ends this girl who wouldn't go to prom with him and saws her in half. Then gets rid of the top half and keeps the bottom half for "personal use". I wonder if thats why the bottom half has never been found. The sicko kept it
@@mickbowling4412 idk man someone sick enough to chop a girl in half is EXACTLY the type of person to keep the bottom half. Or bury the bottom half near him. You're acting like a normal person would commit a crime like this when they wouldn't in the first place. There's already got to be something seriously broken in their mind to commit this crime to begin with.
“The subject matter of the paintings should not be taken as an admission of guilt “ 😱 As an artist myself, I can tell you those paintings most certainly should be taken as some sort of admission of guilt!!!! I’m not saying she killed the girl, but I’d wager a million dollars she knows who did!! Cheers
Same. I'm an artist myself any form of emotion such as guilt is easier to get off your chest if you put it on canvas. Her mind was definietly troubled by the case most likely because she knows the truth. It's just too convenient yknow
@@d3ad_ro0ster I completely agree!! I work in abstract art but my feelings and mood certainly dictate my color choices and overall patterns I end up with on the canvas. So when I saw her images, I knew immediately she knows a lot more than what she is saying. 🤔 Cheers
First off, who in the world would draw and make more disturbing that link to the case. I think both of them were far more guilty after they removed the final piece of art, which concluded that they knew the case more than anyone else. Number 2, if it was after the case and they knew about her death, wouldn't be kind of insult to injury to person death and no remorse for her death as well.
I feel like coping art such as that shouldn't be put up for sale. If they didn't do it, feels disrespectful to her memory to sell art about it. If they did do it, even more so!
They might’ve lawyered up because the husband confessed to hitting on her or cheating, which would have put him at the top of the list for suspects. Especially if he thought there was a chance she told people about it.
Had the same thought. Investigations like this get so difficult because often there are so many agendas at play. The employers may have had nothing at all to do with her murder, but decided not to cooperate because of all the messy details about their own lives it would have brought up. That makes them looks suspicious in the murder case though, and the already muddy waters get muddier. Respect to investigators and law enforcement that can actually weed through all the garbage and solve real-world murder cases.
The lawyering-up up is one thing, the fact that they stonewalled the investigation and flat-out refused to cooperate, continuously, is another thing entirely.
Her killer has other victims you can tell how they managed to clean off all the DNA on her body like that that they have done something like that before
It’s sort of weird that they made public all the details about their investigation into the employers, the homeless man, the guy with a dog, and then are just like yeah no information on our coworker the police man just trust us on that one. We’re treating him completely different than all the other suspects for a good reason
Maybe he had such a strong alibi that he was immediately off the table? Cops often work weekends/nights and frequently travel with partners - if this was the case at the time of her disappearance, he would have had a water-tight alibi with corroborating testimony. It's also entirely possible that he was at the scene of another crime at the time of her disappearance, in which case he would have once again had a water-tight alibi. What about any of the other guys she dated during her time in Boston? Why are you not equally focused on them?
@@yayhandles The subject of my comment was the obvious inconsistency in available suspect information, not the cops guilt. It's probable this guy DID have an airtight alibi. but we don't know because they chose not to tell us. If they had released the details of their investigation into the cop but kept everything about the guy with the white dog top secret, i would be commenting about how it was weird that the police refused to release any information about the guy with the white dog. As for the last question I'm not certain I understand, are you asking me why I am focusing on someone who was a subject of the video over people not featured in the video?
Everywhere, everyday someone is being murdered, like this probably wasn’t the only murder that took place on your graduation/birthday as I’m speaking I’m sure someone right now is being raped, murdered or trying to commit suicide or being trafficked
@@danidavis7912 but the exact date _is_ something to her. You have to admit, that is kind of weird. And a bit sad. This is why she mentioned what she did.
Always a pleasure to see you posting Lazy, hope you're taking care. It's crazy to think that I've been following your content for almost 8 years. You've come a long way!
This was an extremely good video as it broached the possibility of "if someone won the lottery could something bad actually happen?" As for who killed Karina though I think it was her male employer. Of all the witnesses who seemed to be reliably retelling that night's events it seems to be the one who said she left with an older gentleman, as that camera collaborated that she was indeed hanging around someone older I think what happened is Karina's friend saw her hanging around that Superman cosplayer, but sometime after that her boss showed up offered to take her home, and then did the deed which is when I think her female employer comes into play, as I think she stumbled in on him having already sawed Karina in half and was forced to secrecy or willingly helped to clean and dispose of the body only later confessing her guilty conscience through her artwork.
I’m from Sweden and I want to thank you Lazy for this episode. Went abroad to study when I was young and was robbed and beaten. My parents were so sad. Can’t even imagine what her parents were/are feeling. 😢
Been listening for almost 5 years now, love your content and it just gets better with every upload... Remember, the best things happen... In the dark...
@@loli_cvnt5622 it's been a month since he last used it and this was the 5th video without. 6th now. He used it as his ending for years and only just a few weeks ago phased it out.
Wake up (I'm still alive), Saturday early AM (Day off from work), coffee (Colombian), peace (birds are singing) and a new Lazy upload - what more would you want in life?
IMO: Susan wasn't involved, and her paintings are not a coincidence, they're just a way to express her feelings, maybe capturing the moment of her death, but the one with the angel definitely seems like something she'd paint in grieving like feelings. The "terrible thing" might have been rape, but by the hands of whom, I don't know. It could be Frank, it could be the cop who was still into her, and would indeed be something too heavy to just write in a letter, and either because he was her boss and a known man, or because he was a cop, she did not go to the police but wanted to just go back home, and maybe getting super drunk at the club was a way of numbing herself and try to forget it for just a moment, but the culprit wasn't gonna let her leave and blab, so they might have sent someone else in place (hence why nobody says they recognised Frank etc, or someone else), and they threatened or enticed or something else her in the car, and then bam. The fact her lower body wasn't just tossed so carelessly might mean that they really didn't want anyone to find out that she had been assaulted, and maybe find dna, hair, what have you. It could also be that it was Frank all along, and maybe they did have a relationship, maybe just a one night stand, and then she thought it was wrong, and he panicked thinking she'd tell the wife, and when she indeed left on her own to go home (maybe told her friends, but they were too drunk to understand/remember), she arrived only to find him there who jumped her, brought her somewhere, and took care of it. I think if Susan was involved whatsoever, she wouldn't have involved her in her art at all, trying to bury everything to not raise suspicions. But, that's just a theory...
Although it's very true that expressing grief through art is definitely a thing, the fact that they immediately lawyered-up, then continuously refused to cooperate with the investigation and fully stonewalled it, is about as big of a red flag as you can get.
darn... this story was not only creepy but deeply sad. A girl who win the lottery and goes to find the American dream but ends up murder in a horrendous way and the killers never caught. Hope the murders get what they deserve, maybe not by the laws of men but the laws of karma...
Remember despite what people tell you, it's NEVER suspicious to Lawyer up, your first and only words when talking to the police for any reason should only and always be "Lawyer." You never know when they have dead-ended on a case and need somebody to pin it on. You never know when a friendly chat is just the police trying to get you to talk yourself into something with leading questions.
I absolutely believe that more criminals would get away with their crimes if they could only keep their mouths shut. Twenty seven years and nobody knows anything except those involved and they are not talking. So sad that one night of questionable decisions made by a young person with her whole life ahead of her ended so tragically. Thanks, Lazy, for your research and narration
Poor Karina. 1996 - we didn’t all just LEAVE if a friend disappeared on a night out. It’s difficult to gauge severity of a situation with NO MOBILE PHONES.
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 I think it's because hes trying to find and then research obscure topics. Back when he did true scary stories there was an abundance of stories to read and narrating was the bulk of the work.
I’m far more interested in anyone explaining how in the world it ISNT her employers. Because pushing aside literally everything else besides him being a creep and the paintings. They still seem incredibly fishy.
Why is everyone who’s thinking it was her employers or even her ex-bf ignoring the fact she was never seen again after she was spotted outside the club? She clearly left with a stranger(s), most likely the two she was with sitting in the green car. When and how do you people think she was somehow intercepted by her employers to be murdered?!
This person definitely needs to be caught because they're dangerous without any shadow of doubt if they can murder Karina in such a brutal fashion you can only imagine what they can do to any of their other targets
Investigators need to check for any of victims from that time till present, or any other women killed the same way across the country. If not, you know then she was specifically targeted.
@@SHLYRH or what they haven't done, which is scarier imo. if you can just kill and dismember a young woman then live the rest of your life with no qualms about it, and never reoffending... that's terrifying
@@SHLYRH and if they’re even alive or moved to another country under a new name If they haven’t found the person back then most likely they won’t find the person now if they’re even still investigating The way she was drained of blood leads me to think it was a doctor (doctors usually drain blood for embalming) and being that they cut her in half they knew exactly how to do it with some sort of saw and just cremated the bottom portion of the body So I wonder if she was kidnapped and used for a human experiment for the black market but things didn’t go exactly as planned and they cut her in half, drained her body, put the lower portion in the furnace and just bagged her upper half (maybe they couldn’t put it in the furnace and they didn’t have any acid to dissolve the body) and tossed it in the bin since they knew she came from a different country (all alone) no one would know she’s missing If it were the cartel they would’ve scattered her all around town
Got you beat - I was 3000 miles away, although I was an adult in my mid-30s at the time. Generally far too busy working 60-hour weeks in software in Silicon Valley. 😋
I wonder if they tried matching the partial finger print found on the garbage bag to that of the couple she worked for. They definitely know more than they’re letting on.
The minute I saw that employer with the sunglasses, I KNEW he had something to do with it. He looks TOO creepy. Also, why would the wife draw inspiration from such horrifying events? That shows she has a sadistic or psychopathic personality. I don't know anyone who would do THAT. It's SO insensitive. That makes me think she was involved!
Man, if you judged me based off my art, you’d think I was a complete lunatic. But then again I would never think of drawing something like the pictures in the video after someone close to me has died…I find it difficult to make anything when I’m upset or depressed.
So, so, so, so many of these horrific crime stories begin with "she went to a bar for drinks with friends," then after much alcohol, "she became separated from her friends."
I'd be interested to know if there was any new or nearly complete construction in the area. A circular power saw isn't a common item for people to own in the city. Also the ligature was called a cord not a rope making think it was a smooth item instead of a braided rope ie a power drop cord. I think the cleaning was no so much to hide evidence of the attack. With the time table I'd expect someone to just wipe down the body not completely clean it down to removing the make up, but to cover up a botched attempt to hide the body. I think maybe the perp tried to hide her in a concrete form at a construction site but it was not big enough for the whole body. It had to be removed and the concrete washed off with a hose or power washer (which would have drawn out the blood if she'd already been separated) and the lower half hidden as originally planned in the concrete and the torso nearby because there was not another area of the concrete to hide it in.
Poor Karina. I'm from Massachusetts and yes; even though I used to go out with friends in Boston before and during that time, we all stuck together. There are scary parts of Boston that you just don't want to be in. 😳
9:58 Wait, they did not question the bouncer? The worst witnesses are the drunk people, "witnesses" are bad in general regarding memory, but surely the cops could get the staff testimonies?
Actually happened to my sister; they were doing voluntary screenings using a newly developed technology for finding cancer and stuff, and my sister decided to go do it because it was free and would help provide data for new cancer research. They ended up catching a tumor in her head as well as her spine, and because of that she was able to get surgeries to remove both. I went to visit her both times after the surgery to help around her house while she recovered. She's doing well now but that was crazy. For further context she was in the army for a while before this and apparently tumors tend to form wherever you got bone breaking injuries; the tumors grew right where she had been injured in her army days. I think she has like 80% disability or something. My whole family is composed of teachers and soldiers and every soldier in the family has sustained some form of injury that put them on disability. I'm about to get my teaching degree.
I live in central Massachusetts (less than 2 hour drive from Boston), and was 10 when this case happened, but sadly I had never heard of it. Thank you for bringing it to your viewers' attention!
I live in Boston, born & raised. I remember this case well! I was 17 when this happened but like many girls my age I had a fake ID and would enjoy Boston’s night life after I was done working usually in downtown or the North End of Boston as a hostess, busgirl, & a waitress. After this I refused to ever go to ZanZbar again! And I never did! My friends & I created a buddy system that we always stuck to as well! Prior to this incident we were reckless!! I still believe that her employers had something to do with it too! Things that their other nannies had said were just jarring and eerie to say the least! Not to mention had many they had already gone through! My ❤ still goes out to Corina’s family… I 🙏🏼 that her case will someday be solved so that they may find closure:(
Just an FYI - police investigating a crime are never your friend. Please, whether you are guilty OR innocent, *never take a polygraph!* And always consult an attorney before answering ANY questions from law enforcement!
Yes. Exactly this. Retired police officers, defense attorneys, former prosecutors and criminal law experts all say this. But unfortunately tv and movies including true crime documentaries and even TH-cam love to paint the picture that if you “lawyer up” you must be guilty
Y'know, out of this whole case, after everything that happened to poor Karina, the thing that creeps me out the most is that sign left by the killer. I don't know what it is about it because I can't put my finger on it, but something about it genuinely makes my spine tingle.
Very interesting case. Three things i can add to the speculation. 1st: While barely anyone had mobile phones back then, people used stationary public payphones like crazy. They should've checked nearby payphones for connection data to any of the suspects. 2nd: Art can never be used as evidence, maybe as motive or some sort of red flag if it was made before the incident. But afterwards i wouldn't use any artwork, even by a potential suspect, as evidence. If we start using art as evidence, we will convict many innocent souls who just got a bit too curious about certain matters or even cases. 3rd: Even tho i just had her back with point 2, now something incriminating for the paintress - seasoned artistic painters usually have worked with many materials and paints in different levels of viscosity. Up to a point where in many cases they either have to dry or even drain an art object of liquid. This would've given her the knowledge of how to effectively drain an object and maybe even a human body.
my mom literally went in with high blood pressure problems and came out with a benign brain tumor. they removed 3 weeks later- not even kidding. she's fine now because they caught it that way. you never know!
@SalusFuturistics I definitely do and would feel the exact same way in your place. That is unexcusable and unacceptable. To say the least. I'm so sorry. Hippocratic Oath my ass.
“Police take notice” could have a different meaning. If it was the cop ex boyfriend who did it, maybe it’s a warning that if he’s suspected again there won’t be protection for him the next time around.
I visit her website out of curiosity. And I notice that in learning to lasso album, is she draw so many puzzles. She is also like to draw human body waist down without the upper part. She has some patterns in to it. Most of her creation are evolving on the three person. My mind is playing tricks on me again. :)
Not gonna lie, when Lazy brought up this Superman guy with his dog, I thought this would turn out to be a joke episode, similar to those "Get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur" bait-and-switch greentext stories. So outlandish :D
@@lindsayschmidt2177 Boston is still a large City? I live kinda close to Potsdam and Berlin in germany and Potsdam is smaller then Boston. I still wouldnt want to be alone there even tho Germany is arguably safer then the US
Not to Sound rude but that Argument doesnt make any sense. Its like someone says I like to dress myself as super heroes so the Superman guy has done it
Me listening while working Lazy: But here’s something that’s genuinely suspicious… *an ad starting I didn’t realize was starting* SWEET TARTS!! Me: HUH
Awesome video 👍 it's amazing that all the "witnesses" never mentioned a man dressed up like superman with his white dog outside of the bar....... 😢😮 that's crazy
Just saw this after searching for your channel, because I hadn't seen a video in a while. Hard to believe I wasn't subscribed, since I know I've been subscribed for at least five years. Back hi hanging all the bells and whistles on, hopefully TH-cam doesn't unsub for me again.
The fallout from evil actions like this span further than many realise. It not just the family and friends that gets hurt, the suspects get put through hell aswell.
Its crazy how fast time flys, ill never forget the day i came across Lazy im just chillin listening to music on my ipod touch & i click on an intriguing lookin video 4 true dates from hell featuring Be.Busta im so glad i found such amazing channels to see how much they have grown ❤️🔥🙏🏼💪🏼🤘🏼💯
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Raycons....just as good as most other $50 earbuds except Raycon supports your favorite TH-camrs.
June 20, 1996 was a Thursday.
I can relate to that expression he made whilst rubbing his stomach and saying he needs to "get back in shape". XD
You didn’t mention that John Zewizz from the goth industrial band Sleepchamber was an initial suspect.
I've noticed everyone who gets murdered is described as "sweet," "kind," or "popular." I've decided to live the rest of my life as a stark raving b*tch to make sure I never get murdered.
And tend to "light up a room." I'm with you 😂
@@GenXfrom75 I hadn't thought about that one! I'm going to darken every room I walk into.
@@tinkergnomad exactly 💯
Honestly me too, we can make a club
They always say that but then something comes out about the victim being into some dodgy shit, like “she was a prostitution and a drug addict but she was such a sweet girl” so I dunno…
Love that you can talk about hacking a person in half but saying the word bondage is a step too far. Very normal society.
Had to keep scrolling til I found someone else reacted to this as well..
Same reaction here. I miss old TH-cam so fucking much.
Yeah, weird. You hear us Lazy Masquerade ??! WOOOEEIRD. 🌬💩
@@jessewru6425 Gotta be fair to my boy Lazy on this one; back in the day he didn't flinch at leaving naughty words in. Blame the platform, not the creator.
Yup. We live in a wild PC double standard system of ignorance and loopholes but obv in all the wrong ways.
Safe to assume her employers did it. Being a painter and a photographer, they would most likely have multiple studios or shops where they do their work and where they could hide/dispose of a body, and a dumpster at their home was on fire around the time the victim's remains were found, and the artwork is all way too coincidental.
Was my first thought as soon as the story started.
What is the disturbing picture though? Lazy didn’t show
@@jasonvargas7564 The paintings bro
@@jasonvargas7564 @6:33
The pic isn't really that disturbing
My same thoughts as well
It must have been horrible for her parents. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
Especially because they have to build her a pair of legs
@ Legionmint, my heart breaks for her family as well. Karina Holmer, like many other people, decide to come to the US for better or different opportunities and in less than a year Karina lost her life in the most brutal and horrific manner. Her family must face the nightmare as each day followed by years which turn into decades for Karina to have justice only for that opportunity to never materialize. RIP Karina Holmer 😢
@Nature Lover what does coming to America have to do with any of this?
@@johndodo2062 Well, for a start the US has a lot more violent crimes than Sweden.
@@NatureLover-62 Most people from Sweden going to the US are doing it for the experience, not to get a better life.
I assure you life is a lot better in Sweden than in the US. According to most ranking lists the world's best country to live in is Sweden, as it ranked highest on the world report Quality of Life Index that measured attributes ranging from economic stability and progressivism to innovation and geographical attractions.
"Something terrible has happened"
Damn, just thinking about what that could have been gave me chills.
she got impregnated by her employer I guess
Or maybe you’re always cold so that’s what’s causing the chills
@@maxpayne7312 Yo momma
I think the terrible thing happen was she was either raped or had sex willingly with Frank her employer
@@tablescissors @MaxPain 🤣 yall cracked me up Lol
It's sad... Everyday technology evolves to the point were old cases can have other chances and get solved, but in this case, there's no evidence, I don't see we ever finding out what happened to Karina unless someone who knows something comes forward...
That does happen with a lot of cases though fortunately. The headlines are like COPS SOLVE CASE!! And you find out someone came forward and said "my ex husband told me he did it"
Great job cops
@no peace being a cop is allot more difficult than you clearly think it is.
The print?!
SEARCH WARRANT IN FRANK AND WIFE'S HOUSE
Those paintings were awfully… suggestive of something… if I do say so myself.
The one thing people are missing about the dumpster, even at crematoriums, bones have to be smashed. They wouldn't be incinerated in a dumpster fire.
My thoughts exactly
Probably just clothes they used during the murder, not the bottom half. It's strange leaving one half so easily findable, while hiding the other so well.
@@dimikaydoesthings I hate to even mention this but has anyone heard the song Sarah by Tyler the Creator? He ends this girl who wouldn't go to prom with him and saws her in half. Then gets rid of the top half and keeps the bottom half for "personal use". I wonder if thats why the bottom half has never been found. The sicko kept it
@@WhitneyDahlin highly doubtful.
@@mickbowling4412 idk man someone sick enough to chop a girl in half is EXACTLY the type of person to keep the bottom half. Or bury the bottom half near him. You're acting like a normal person would commit a crime like this when they wouldn't in the first place. There's already got to be something seriously broken in their mind to commit this crime to begin with.
“The subject matter of the paintings should not be taken as an admission of guilt “ 😱
As an artist myself, I can tell you those paintings most certainly should be taken as some sort of admission of guilt!!!! I’m not saying she killed the girl, but I’d wager a million dollars she knows who did!!
Cheers
Same. I'm an artist myself any form of emotion such as guilt is easier to get off your chest if you put it on canvas. Her mind was definietly troubled by the case most likely because she knows the truth. It's just too convenient yknow
@@d3ad_ro0ster
I completely agree!! I work in abstract art but my feelings and mood certainly dictate my color choices and overall patterns I end up with on the canvas. So when I saw her images, I knew immediately she knows a lot more than what she is saying. 🤔
Cheers
First off, who in the world would draw and make more disturbing that link to the case. I think both of them were far more guilty after they removed the final piece of art, which concluded that they knew the case more than anyone else. Number 2, if it was after the case and they knew about her death, wouldn't be kind of insult to injury to person death and no remorse for her death as well.
I feel like coping art such as that shouldn't be put up for sale. If they didn't do it, feels disrespectful to her memory to sell art about it. If they did do it, even more so!
@@Flanneryschickens
I agree one hundred percent 💯 👍
They might’ve lawyered up because the husband confessed to hitting on her or cheating, which would have put him at the top of the list for suspects. Especially if he thought there was a chance she told people about it.
Facts
Had the same thought. Investigations like this get so difficult because often there are so many agendas at play. The employers may have had nothing at all to do with her murder, but decided not to cooperate because of all the messy details about their own lives it would have brought up. That makes them looks suspicious in the murder case though, and the already muddy waters get muddier. Respect to investigators and law enforcement that can actually weed through all the garbage and solve real-world murder cases.
You just make that up in your head? Doesn't even make sense he would be implicating himself lol
@@criminal-tc Past precedence. I watch a lot of true crime stuff.
The lawyering-up up is one thing, the fact that they stonewalled the investigation and flat-out refused to cooperate, continuously, is another thing entirely.
Her killer has other victims you can tell how they managed to clean off all the DNA on her body like that that they have done something like that before
Unfortunately not really any MO's like that for that time. No pattern.
That, or they thought ahead (and may be at least passingly familiar with forensics, maybe someone who's watched some shows or read a book about it).
Though they must have been passing through.
What’s the disturbing picture though?
Or maybe they just watch crime shows🤷🏼♂️ or was a police officer?
It’s sort of weird that they made public all the details about their investigation into the employers, the homeless man, the guy with a dog, and then are just like yeah no information on our coworker the police man just trust us on that one. We’re treating him completely different than all the other suspects for a good reason
Maybe he had such a strong alibi that he was immediately off the table? Cops often work weekends/nights and frequently travel with partners - if this was the case at the time of her disappearance, he would have had a water-tight alibi with corroborating testimony. It's also entirely possible that he was at the scene of another crime at the time of her disappearance, in which case he would have once again had a water-tight alibi. What about any of the other guys she dated during her time in Boston? Why are you not equally focused on them?
@@yayhandles The subject of my comment was the obvious inconsistency in available suspect information, not the cops guilt. It's probable this guy DID have an airtight alibi. but we don't know because they chose not to tell us. If they had released the details of their investigation into the cop but kept everything about the guy with the white dog top secret, i would be commenting about how it was weird that the police refused to release any information about the guy with the white dog.
As for the last question I'm not certain I understand, are you asking me why I am focusing on someone who was a subject of the video over people not featured in the video?
cops in the 90s were, uh, something special
A dozen drunk witnesses: *give conflicting but plausible accounts of what happened to her*
Security camera: iT wAs SuPeRmAn AnD hIs DoG
That was great
Gold!
Not really plausible if every single one is conflicting 😂
Superman and Krypto at it again
That poor superhero man :( So sad for both the girl and the man. Also, the employers are pretty sus and more likely to have done it.
6/22/96 was my high school graduation day AND my 18th birthday. I was so happy. How sad that in another place such sadness was happening
I mean probably everday something sad happens somewhere else
Everywhere, everyday someone is being murdered, like this probably wasn’t the only murder that took place on your graduation/birthday as I’m speaking I’m sure someone right now is being raped, murdered or trying to commit suicide or being trafficked
This isn't about you.
@@danidavis7912 but the exact date _is_ something to her.
You have to admit, that is kind of weird. And a bit sad.
This is why she mentioned what she did.
Always a pleasure to see you posting Lazy, hope you're taking care. It's crazy to think that I've been following your content for almost 8 years. You've come a long way!
This was an extremely good video as it broached the possibility of "if someone won the lottery could something bad actually happen?" As for who killed Karina though I think it was her male employer. Of all the witnesses who seemed to be reliably retelling that night's events it seems to be the one who said she left with an older gentleman, as that camera collaborated that she was indeed hanging around someone older I think what happened is Karina's friend saw her hanging around that Superman cosplayer, but sometime after that her boss showed up offered to take her home, and then did the deed which is when I think her female employer comes into play, as I think she stumbled in on him having already sawed Karina in half and was forced to secrecy or willingly helped to clean and dispose of the body only later confessing her guilty conscience through her artwork.
I’m from Sweden and I want to thank you Lazy for this episode. Went abroad to study when I was young and was robbed and beaten. My parents were so sad. Can’t even imagine what her parents were/are feeling. 😢
Never thought a regular city sign would be so sinisterly ironic.
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Weirdly reminiscent of the Black Dahlia case, especially with the bifurcated and meticulously cleaned condition of the body.
Yuh it's almost like America's signature because both cases happened in America! No Glasgow smile though in Karina's unsolved case!
Been listening for almost 5 years now, love your content and it just gets better with every upload... Remember, the best things happen... In the dark...
That's awfully dark considering the topic.
And he hasn't used that in the dark thing in forever, don't use it here rn 😭
@@loli_cvnt5622 it's been a month since he last used it and this was the 5th video without. 6th now.
He used it as his ending for years and only just a few weeks ago phased it out.
Wake up (I'm still alive), Saturday early AM (Day off from work), coffee (Colombian), peace (birds are singing) and a new Lazy upload - what more would you want in life?
Late night for me, coffee, apartment lobby, watching the sunset, finally some wifi 🥲
IMO: Susan wasn't involved, and her paintings are not a coincidence, they're just a way to express her feelings, maybe capturing the moment of her death, but the one with the angel definitely seems like something she'd paint in grieving like feelings. The "terrible thing" might have been rape, but by the hands of whom, I don't know. It could be Frank, it could be the cop who was still into her, and would indeed be something too heavy to just write in a letter, and either because he was her boss and a known man, or because he was a cop, she did not go to the police but wanted to just go back home, and maybe getting super drunk at the club was a way of numbing herself and try to forget it for just a moment, but the culprit wasn't gonna let her leave and blab, so they might have sent someone else in place (hence why nobody says they recognised Frank etc, or someone else), and they threatened or enticed or something else her in the car, and then bam. The fact her lower body wasn't just tossed so carelessly might mean that they really didn't want anyone to find out that she had been assaulted, and maybe find dna, hair, what have you. It could also be that it was Frank all along, and maybe they did have a relationship, maybe just a one night stand, and then she thought it was wrong, and he panicked thinking she'd tell the wife, and when she indeed left on her own to go home (maybe told her friends, but they were too drunk to understand/remember), she arrived only to find him there who jumped her, brought her somewhere, and took care of it. I think if Susan was involved whatsoever, she wouldn't have involved her in her art at all, trying to bury everything to not raise suspicions. But, that's just a theory...
Artists often express truth on their work through, tell you who they really are. People like to brag in plain sight about their crimes.
Holy run on sentence, Batman
Please stop it with your movie generalisations. Its pathetic and naive.
Although it's very true that expressing grief through art is definitely a thing, the fact that they immediately lawyered-up, then continuously refused to cooperate with the investigation and fully stonewalled it, is about as big of a red flag as you can get.
A bad theory ngl
Too much reading into it, everything past the first sentence sounds like pure daydreaming based on a dexter episode
darn... this story was not only creepy but deeply sad. A girl who win the lottery and goes to find the American dream but ends up murder in a horrendous way and the killers never caught. Hope the murders get what they deserve, maybe not by the laws of men but the laws of karma...
Remember despite what people tell you, it's NEVER suspicious to Lawyer up, your first and only words when talking to the police for any reason should only and always be "Lawyer."
You never know when they have dead-ended on a case and need somebody to pin it on.
You never know when a friendly chat is just the police trying to get you to talk yourself into something with leading questions.
I absolutely believe that more criminals would get away with their crimes if they could only keep their mouths shut. Twenty seven years and nobody knows anything except those involved and they are not talking. So sad that one night of questionable decisions made by a young person with her whole life ahead of her ended so tragically. Thanks, Lazy, for your research and narration
Poor Karina. 1996 - we didn’t all just LEAVE if a friend disappeared on a night out. It’s difficult to gauge severity of a situation with NO MOBILE PHONES.
So happy this man came back to TH-cam.
What do you mean "came back"?
Uh...he never left.
@@dragonsky799 He just uploads less frequently than many channels
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 I think it's because hes trying to find and then research obscure topics. Back when he did true scary stories there was an abundance of stories to read and narrating was the bulk of the work.
He never left lol. He does his research and tries to find unheard cases and I'm all for him taking his time, he's always worth the time.
As someone who lives 20 mins from boston dont move here it kinda sucks
I’m far more interested in anyone explaining how in the world it ISNT her employers. Because pushing aside literally everything else besides him being a creep and the paintings. They still seem incredibly fishy.
Why is everyone who’s thinking it was her employers or even her ex-bf ignoring the fact she was never seen again after she was spotted outside the club? She clearly left with a stranger(s), most likely the two she was with sitting in the green car. When and how do you people think she was somehow intercepted by her employers to be murdered?!
Love the content! Always such good quality 💜
This person definitely needs to be caught because they're dangerous without any shadow of doubt if they can murder Karina in such a brutal fashion you can only imagine what they can do to any of their other targets
It’s been 27 years. No telling what else they’ve done since.
Investigators need to check for any of victims from that time till present, or any other women killed the same way across the country. If not, you know then she was specifically targeted.
@@SHLYRH or what they haven't done, which is scarier imo. if you can just kill and dismember a young woman then live the rest of your life with no qualms about it, and never reoffending... that's terrifying
@@SHLYRH and if they’re even alive or moved to another country under a new name
If they haven’t found the person back then most likely they won’t find the person now if they’re even still investigating
The way she was drained of blood leads me to think it was a doctor (doctors usually drain blood for embalming) and being that they cut her in half they knew exactly how to do it with some sort of saw and just cremated the bottom portion of the body
So I wonder if she was kidnapped and used for a human experiment for the black market but things didn’t go exactly as planned and they cut her in half, drained her body, put the lower portion in the furnace and just bagged her upper half (maybe they couldn’t put it in the furnace and they didn’t have any acid to dissolve the body) and tossed it in the bin since they knew she came from a different country (all alone) no one would know she’s missing
If it were the cartel they would’ve scattered her all around town
😱 wow what a shocking story, may she rest in peace, 🙏 another outstanding video thanks lazy 🖤
So excited to watch you Lazy! Keep up the amazing work!! Love ya!! 💕
Lazy masquerade: “if you’re trying to get into a healthy routine this year..”
Me:*trying to find something* “I didn’t ask to be attacked, lazy”
Who needs a healthy routine anyway? *jumps over a pile of clothes to get to the door*
That's so sad. A young person comes to the U.S. thinking it will be the trip of a lifetime, then they end up losing their life. RIP.
I was 11 years old and 35 miles away from when and where this happened. Crazy stuff
Do you have anyone to corroborate that alibi?
@@scockery ummmm ya, my gerbils.... And a few G.I. Joe's that I was close with.
GI Joe is an older man. That's who she was talking with on the security camera
Got you beat - I was 3000 miles away, although I was an adult in my mid-30s at the time. Generally far too busy working 60-hour weeks in software in Silicon Valley. 😋
I was closer...........................
I wonder if they tried matching the partial finger print found on the garbage bag to that of the couple she worked for. They definitely know more than they’re letting on.
The minute I saw that employer with the sunglasses, I KNEW he had something to do with it. He looks TOO creepy. Also, why would the wife draw inspiration from such horrifying events? That shows she has a sadistic or psychopathic personality. I don't know anyone who would do THAT. It's SO insensitive. That makes me think she was involved!
Man, if you judged me based off my art, you’d think I was a complete lunatic.
But then again I would never think of drawing something like the pictures in the video after someone close to me has died…I find it difficult to make anything when I’m upset or depressed.
So, so, so, so many of these horrific crime stories begin with "she went to a bar for drinks with friends," then after much alcohol, "she became separated from her friends."
Thankfully today, we can call an Uber to take us home.
Always a great time when my notifications go off n I see u uploaded!! Can’t get enough of these gems u share with us. 💙💙
I'd be interested to know if there was any new or nearly complete construction in the area. A circular power saw isn't a common item for people to own in the city. Also the ligature was called a cord not a rope making think it was a smooth item instead of a braided rope ie a power drop cord. I think the cleaning was no so much to hide evidence of the attack. With the time table I'd expect someone to just wipe down the body not completely clean it down to removing the make up, but to cover up a botched attempt to hide the body. I think maybe the perp tried to hide her in a concrete form at a construction site but it was not big enough for the whole body. It had to be removed and the concrete washed off with a hose or power washer (which would have drawn out the blood if she'd already been separated) and the lower half hidden as originally planned in the concrete and the torso nearby because there was not another area of the concrete to hide it in.
Poor Karina. I'm from Massachusetts and yes; even though I used to go out with friends in Boston before and during that time, we all stuck together. There are scary parts of Boston that you just don't want to be in. 😳
Those people must have been so drunk if they can't even remember a man with a big white dog dressed as superman.
I own a small business in Needham and work a lot in Dover, they must keep these things quiet because nobody has ever talked about this. Weird
9:58 Wait, they did not question the bouncer? The worst witnesses are the drunk people, "witnesses" are bad in general regarding memory, but surely the cops could get the staff testimonies?
While I have been early enough to catch Lazy uploads before, it just never gets old, feels good each time I tune in early.
Aww Yes, the all too common “went in for a checkup, found out I had a ticking time bomb in my head” story, lol.
I hate it when that happens. 😒
One time I went in for a routine pap, my doctor found cervical cancer instead. 🤷♀️
Actually happened to my sister; they were doing voluntary screenings using a newly developed technology for finding cancer and stuff, and my sister decided to go do it because it was free and would help provide data for new cancer research. They ended up catching a tumor in her head as well as her spine, and because of that she was able to get surgeries to remove both. I went to visit her both times after the surgery to help around her house while she recovered. She's doing well now but that was crazy. For further context she was in the army for a while before this and apparently tumors tend to form wherever you got bone breaking injuries; the tumors grew right where she had been injured in her army days. I think she has like 80% disability or something. My whole family is composed of teachers and soldiers and every soldier in the family has sustained some form of injury that put them on disability. I'm about to get my teaching degree.
A that chapter and lazy masquerade upload in the same day is a blessing.
Oh snap, my day has just been made! Love your videos lazy!
Damn I remember this, I was born & raised in Boston and Dover is the next town over. I also used to go to the Zanzibar
Greetings from Iceland, just your favorite Icelander strolling by. Great job as always
“Amateur investigators has theorized…” is a very clever way to phrase “someone on Reddit thinks…”
I live in central Massachusetts (less than 2 hour drive from Boston), and was 10 when this case happened, but sadly I had never heard of it. Thank you for bringing it to your viewers' attention!
I’m a Bostonian and I remember this case!
I live in Boston, born & raised. I remember this case well! I was 17 when this happened but like many girls my age I had a fake ID and would enjoy Boston’s night life after I was done working usually in downtown or the North End of Boston as a hostess, busgirl, & a waitress. After this I refused to ever go to ZanZbar again! And I never did! My friends & I created a buddy system that we always stuck to as well! Prior to this incident we were reckless!!
I still believe that her employers had something to do with it too! Things that their other nannies had said were just jarring and eerie to say the least! Not to mention had many they had already gone through! My ❤ still goes out to Corina’s family… I 🙏🏼 that her case will someday be solved so that they may find closure:(
the best swings happen... in the park
The best wings flapping . . . in Walmart.
The best strings happen... in a harp
The best deals happen... when you're a narc
Kinda cool watching Lazy do a video that took place in my neck of the woods. Hello from Boston Lazy!!
Too many coincidences here. Those paintings are pretty damning too.
Thanks for all you continued great work on this channel
Just an FYI - police investigating a crime are never your friend. Please, whether you are guilty OR innocent, *never take a polygraph!* And always consult an attorney before answering ANY questions from law enforcement!
Yes. Exactly this. Retired police officers, defense attorneys, former prosecutors and criminal law experts all say this. But unfortunately tv and movies including true crime documentaries and even TH-cam love to paint the picture that if you “lawyer up” you must be guilty
Babe wake up a new Lazy Masquerade video just dropped
7:57 you did her dirty 💀
Poor young lady. What truly awful way to go. BTW, the "artwork" her employer made is laughably bad. Woof
Doesnt seem that much different from any other artwork Imo
Y'know, out of this whole case, after everything that happened to poor Karina, the thing that creeps me out the most is that sign left by the killer. I don't know what it is about it because I can't put my finger on it, but something about it genuinely makes my spine tingle.
It’s an official sign, the video just says it “seems” like it was left by the killer. They probably should’ve been more clear on how they said it
I go to school right where she was last found. I'm so excited to get back from Spring Break! Not at all terrifying! 💀
She was murdered almost 30 years ago.
This was creepy. Poor girl. Thank you for your great videos!
Very interesting case. Three things i can add to the speculation. 1st: While barely anyone had mobile phones back then, people used stationary public payphones like crazy. They should've checked nearby payphones for connection data to any of the suspects. 2nd: Art can never be used as evidence, maybe as motive or some sort of red flag if it was made before the incident. But afterwards i wouldn't use any artwork, even by a potential suspect, as evidence. If we start using art as evidence, we will convict many innocent souls who just got a bit too curious about certain matters or even cases. 3rd: Even tho i just had her back with point 2, now something incriminating for the paintress - seasoned artistic painters usually have worked with many materials and paints in different levels of viscosity. Up to a point where in many cases they either have to dry or even drain an art object of liquid. This would've given her the knowledge of how to effectively drain an object and maybe even a human body.
I love it when a Doctor diagnoses Brain Cancer on my Birthday when I just headed there because of a grown-in Toenail. What a pleasant Surprise.
my mom literally went in with high blood pressure problems and came out with a benign brain tumor. they removed 3 weeks later- not even kidding. she's fine now because they caught it that way. you never know!
@@steffymuze Gotta love a Doctor who does their Job. My Grandfather died because his Doctor said his Lungth Cancer was "Nothing to worry about"
@SalusFuturistics I definitely do and would feel the exact same way in your place. That is unexcusable and unacceptable. To say the least. I'm so sorry. Hippocratic Oath my ass.
“Police take notice” could have a different meaning. If it was the cop ex boyfriend who did it, maybe it’s a warning that if he’s suspected again there won’t be protection for him the next time around.
I visit her website out of curiosity. And I notice that in learning to lasso album, is she draw so many puzzles. She is also like to draw human body waist down without the upper part. She has some patterns in to it. Most of her creation are evolving on the three person.
My mind is playing tricks on me again. :)
Love how you have chapters Lazy. Love your videos too. Been following you for over a year..
Can you do some solved ones soon? Seem to be a lot of unsolved videos recently, like a resolution sometimes lol.
Ahh, hazy marmalade! There you are! Long time no see...😃
Isnt sanzabar featured on bar rescue?
Not gonna lie, when Lazy brought up this Superman guy with his dog, I thought this would turn out to be a joke episode, similar to those "Get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur" bait-and-switch greentext stories. So outlandish :D
Too bad she didn't hang out with the bouncer until her friends came out. She would have been much safer. A big city is always dangerous sadly.
Boston isn’t really that big of a city, especially compared to other US cities.
@@lindsayschmidt2177 Besides the point.. ????
@@lindsayschmidt2177 Boston is still a large City? I live kinda close to Potsdam and Berlin in germany and Potsdam is smaller then Boston. I still wouldnt want to be alone there even tho Germany is arguably safer then the US
I am from Sweden but have never heard about this case. Once again hats off to Lazy
❤❤❤ being a painter and photographer, one of her employees had done it
Not to Sound rude but that Argument doesnt make any sense. Its like someone says I like to dress myself as super heroes so the Superman guy has done it
I just watched an episode of 'Bar Rescue' not too long ago and it featured Zanzibar
It infuriates me that no one has cracked this case and it also makes me little mad seems u don't know what happened
Me listening while working
Lazy: But here’s something that’s genuinely suspicious…
*an ad starting I didn’t realize was starting*
SWEET TARTS!!
Me: HUH
Another surrounded by friends who don't really have your back, shady shade.
The “ levetation lasso could also be a reverence to how she was murdered as well
Awesome video 👍 it's amazing that all the "witnesses" never mentioned a man dressed up like superman with his white dog outside of the bar....... 😢😮 that's crazy
Thank you for drawing attention to this story. The hatred against Swedes in the Anglosphere countries is sickening.
This sign is so macabre. So sad.
Just saw this after searching for your channel, because I hadn't seen a video in a while. Hard to believe I wasn't subscribed, since I know I've been subscribed for at least five years. Back hi hanging all the bells and whistles on, hopefully TH-cam doesn't unsub for me again.
Was about to sleep and you posted!
That poor homeless man, he probably couldn't get therapy because he couldn't afford it.
Therapy isn’t even close to a guaranteed fix for anything whether you can afford it or not. This kind of thinking is ignorant
The fallout from evil actions like this span further than many realise.
It not just the family and friends that gets hurt, the suspects get put through hell aswell.
yes, exactly what I needed today :)
Poor girl, her last hours must have been dreadful
this dude always cures our boredom
this is not the first time someone has gone missing from a bar named Zanzibar.
My money’s on it being the ex-boyfriend cop. With how Boston PD was at the time, they would have had plenty of opportunities to cover it up.
I didn’t think about that. Definitely makes a lot more sense
The dumpster catching fire didn’t even make you blink an eye? Why always go after the cops.
Its crazy how fast time flys, ill never forget the day i came across Lazy im just chillin listening to music on my ipod touch & i click on an intriguing lookin video 4 true dates from hell featuring Be.Busta im so glad i found such amazing channels to see how much they have grown ❤️🔥🙏🏼💪🏼🤘🏼💯
Lazy could read the phone book and I would listen. One of the few people I enjoy even listening to their sponsored ad.
Perfect upload time, im dying of boredom here at work lmao. Thanks lazy!
Thanks for another banger, Lazy