Paul Luke Bonenfant We need as little of those videos as possibile, so the 3.8 and 4.0 can continue to rise in price and get that bourden of the 3.6 back, so it stays in the current price region 😂
Nice review, I like the engaging but level headed, analytical style based on lots of real world experience of the cars. It's amazing how, these days, guys like you and a few others on TH-cam are massively outclassing the incessantly sensationalist and dumbed down style of the broadcast TV shows. It's really appreciated.
As an owner of a 997.1 C2S, I’ll begin by saying that to me your GT3RS 4.0 is the pinnacle. Period!! That being said, it really hard to compare a 997.1 GT3RS to a 997.2 GT3RS 4.0. I do feel like the GT4 (both variants) is a good comparison and perhaps a 997.2 GT3 and even the 997.2 GT3RS 3.8 is a bit of a stretch, because Porsche is always progressing. I think the conclusion of this video is typical law of diminishing returns. The GT3RS 4.0 is an insane car, but you can get 95-98% of the experience spending $90-150k USD (GT4, 997.1 GT3, GT3RS, 997.2 GT3, GT3RS 3.8) and 90% of the experience spending $35-65 USD with 997.1 and .2 C2S and some minor mods. I’ve never driven the 4.0 but I’ve driven a buddies shark works 997.2 GT3, GT4, and Lotus Evora 410 sport back to back up canyons and then drove home in my 997.1 C2S and was expecting to be severely disappointed, only to find that I actually wasn’t. (Make no mistake, I’m not saying the S is the same level as those special GT cars, but it still provides a ton of satisfaction. Manual of course).
@@888mf4 Any chance you could review the 997.2 GT3RS 3.8 vs your 997.2 GT3RS 4.0 ? I wonder if 2nd generation is even closer to the driving experience of the 4.0. Much appreciated, love your channel Mark!
Cheers Mark for the fantastic video. The camera work was brilliant! It goes without saying that your 4L is a mega car. Eddy's with the orange wheels and livery looks stunning!
The 997 GT3 RS is an amazing car. Add Manthey suspension, an engine upgrade and you've got 99.7% of a 4.0 for a fraction of the price. The difference buys you a very nice air-cooled 911. The 4.0 is an investment, a 997 GT3 RS buys you a lot of smiles/mile.
the 997 GT3 RS was and is one of the best Porsche they ever produced. I have been seeking to buy one for myself soon, the steering and everything is just perfect drivers car, in the USA its very hard to find one with the carbon buckets which is what I am looking for.
I enjoyed so much watching one of my favorite cars....that at time i should buy instead of buying a 997 1 carrera s and putting in it more than 50k euro preparations....to be similar to this....but i am happy the same....even mine is really very very special....and is quite near to this one...even if it is not! Thanks for the video of this glorius old school gt3 rs
Walk me up to any of these GT cars blindfold and I’ll take any Yours is mega btw I wish I’d watched this further away from bedtime 😂 Very professional content 🙏🙏
997 3.6rs and 4.0rs are amazing cars in their own right. I’m hard pressed to pick which I like better (money aside). 4.0 is for sure the better performer, but it’s not as obvious for me in the “fun factor” category. Don’t get me wrong, you can clearly tell which is the “better” car. I’m surprised you felt the 3.6 steering was less connected. The helper springs on 4.0 definitely make it more compliant on uneven surfaces. I believe the rose jointing is only the rear suspension (I could be wrong?). I always felt the 3.6 had more feedback in general, but less planted and more jittery all around (not as confidence inspiring but sometimes more fun at street speeds). I’m also guessing part of the reason you had trouble hitting redline is the taller gearing. The increased torque and shorter gearing on 4.0 definitely get you to redline faster. 4.0 kicks a lot harder, but sometimes I like how the 3.6 draws out the crescendo more. 981/718 are just entirely different beasts imo. I agree these are all great cars, with hair-splitting differences to anyone except the true Porsche die hard.
Hi Jeremy. You're right, they sharpened up the suspension using rose joints in the rear. They also had unique spring rates and springs that come with small helper springs to ensure some pre-load is always kept in the suspension. By using the long stroke crank of the RSR race car (there was no more space between the cylinders to allow expansion in that direction), a capacity of 3996cc was achieved, and because it had been stroked rather than bored, a lot of attention was paid to the way air gets into and gases emerge from the engine to ensure the power gain more than matched the increase in torque you’d expect. Porsche also fitted a new rear wing and discovered two things: first it not only eliminated all rear axle lift but then actually contributed 200kg of downforce at 183mph. Secondly it completely unbalanced the car aerodynamically. That’s why it has those little winglets at the front: they may not look like much but there are places at the Nürburgring where they make the difference between being able to go flat out and leaving the circuit. So whilst they may seem similar, and they have the same DNA, they really are two very different cars.
^^Like I said about the true Porsche die-hard :) 4.0 probably the last p-car I’d let go of behind CGT. But 3.6rs always leaves a big grin, especially in green.
That is tough to answer without driving them back to back. I can tell you that the 991.2 GT3 RS is incredible. I drove that recently in Florida and a review is coming soon. Although that costs around £190k now in the UK, but well worth it.
I like your content. Thank you. Of course the newer cars don’t sound as great, particulate laws have changed. I think you should take that into account.
I mention the particulate filters a lot in previous reviews of the 718 Spyder and 718 GT4. However, that makes the older models even more appealing in my opinion.
888MF Well it also has a Porsche Motorsport crankshaft straight out of that gen RSR, doesnt it? Still, as soon as the situation allows, I am getting a 3.6 in viper green. Its where its at for me.
@@exev6700 You are right, but I prefer the chassis of the GT4. As I said numerous times in the video, the GT4, GT3 RS and even GT3 are all great cars. They all have different characters. You choose the one you like driving. I have a Boxster Spyder as my day and a GT3 RS for weekends.
If you want track car buy Miata invest 10k in it and chances are you will be faster than any Porsche on the track day. If you like to show off pay 100k + for Porsche . Otherwise great car indeed.
Black / Orange was one of my favourite spec when it cames out in 2007 !
I love the green, but they all look good
Hydraulic steering, bulletproof mezger engine, rally history, racing heritage, 911 rear engine feel.
I'd have it over the gt4 in a heartbeat
I think I made it clear I agree with you :)
888MF I’m so glad you made a video like this, those 997 gt3s are a hidden gem🙏
Paul Luke Bonenfant We need as little of those videos as possibile, so the 3.8 and 4.0 can continue to rise in price and get that bourden of the 3.6 back, so it stays in the current price region 😂
Nice review, I like the engaging but level headed, analytical style based on lots of real world experience of the cars. It's amazing how, these days, guys like you and a few others on TH-cam are massively outclassing the incessantly sensationalist and dumbed down style of the broadcast TV shows. It's really appreciated.
The spec on that GT3 RS would make a nun swear
As an owner of a 997.1 C2S, I’ll begin by saying that to me your GT3RS 4.0 is the pinnacle. Period!! That being said, it really hard to compare a 997.1 GT3RS to a 997.2 GT3RS 4.0. I do feel like the GT4 (both variants) is a good comparison and perhaps a 997.2 GT3 and even the 997.2 GT3RS 3.8 is a bit of a stretch, because Porsche is always progressing. I think the conclusion of this video is typical law of diminishing returns. The GT3RS 4.0 is an insane car, but you can get 95-98% of the experience spending $90-150k USD (GT4, 997.1 GT3, GT3RS, 997.2 GT3, GT3RS 3.8) and 90% of the experience spending $35-65 USD with 997.1 and .2 C2S and some minor mods. I’ve never driven the 4.0 but I’ve driven a buddies shark works 997.2 GT3, GT4, and Lotus Evora 410 sport back to back up canyons and then drove home in my 997.1 C2S and was expecting to be severely disappointed, only to find that I actually wasn’t. (Make no mistake, I’m not saying the S is the same level as those special GT cars, but it still provides a ton of satisfaction. Manual of course).
I'm over here with 70% of the experience in my $15k 2006 Boxster S baby!!!!! It's 85% of the experience on sunny days. :)
@@drewmorg. I drive a Boxster Spyder as a daily with a lovely N/A 3.8L engine and I love it.
Nothing against your 4.0, but the spec on that 3.6 is just gorgeous! Nice video, as always. Very informative. Cheers, Mark!
Thanks
Your review is bang on. GT3RS>GT4 every time.... Don’t forget its wide body which sets it apart from non RS 911 or GT4 Cayman.
Thanks Mark.
@@888mf4 Any chance you could review the 997.2 GT3RS 3.8 vs your 997.2 GT3RS 4.0 ? I wonder if 2nd generation is even closer to the driving experience of the 4.0. Much appreciated, love your channel Mark!
Cheers Mark for the fantastic video. The camera work was brilliant! It goes without saying that your 4L is a mega car. Eddy's with the orange wheels and livery looks stunning!
Great review! I was lucky enough to own one. And I think the 3.6 mezger is one of the best sounding flat six.
Agreed
Watching this made me just buy one (Orange) was very close to getting a GT4, or the 7.2 GT3, but RS is well an RS!
Congrats
The green one commonly mistaken for signal or viper green.... It is actually RS green, code 2D8
The 997 GT3 RS is an amazing car. Add Manthey suspension, an engine upgrade and you've got 99.7% of a 4.0 for a fraction of the price. The difference buys you a very nice air-cooled 911. The 4.0 is an investment, a 997 GT3 RS buys you a lot of smiles/mile.
How much does an engine upgrade cost at Manthey? How about adding some carbon parts as well?
the 997 GT3 RS was and is one of the best Porsche they ever produced. I have been seeking to buy one for myself soon, the steering and everything is just perfect drivers car, in the USA its very hard to find one with the carbon buckets which is what I am looking for.
I enjoyed so much watching one of my favorite cars....that at time i should buy instead of buying a 997 1 carrera s and putting in it more than 50k euro preparations....to be similar to this....but i am happy the same....even mine is really very very special....and is quite near to this one...even if it is not!
Thanks for the video of this glorius old school gt3 rs
Pleasure - glad you enjoyed it
I own a GT4 but the 997 GT3RS is my dream car.
Walk me up to any of these GT cars blindfold and I’ll take any
Yours is mega btw
I wish I’d watched this further away from bedtime 😂
Very professional content 🙏🙏
It was also available in Artic Silver with orange wheels.
Its not Viper green ...its RS Green, color code 2D8
great video Mark!
Grazie
997 3.6rs and 4.0rs are amazing cars in their own right. I’m hard pressed to pick which I like better (money aside). 4.0 is for sure the better performer, but it’s not as obvious for me in the “fun factor” category. Don’t get me wrong, you can clearly tell which is the “better” car. I’m surprised you felt the 3.6 steering was less connected. The helper springs on 4.0 definitely make it more compliant on uneven surfaces. I believe the rose jointing is only the rear suspension (I could be wrong?). I always felt the 3.6 had more feedback in general, but less planted and more jittery all around (not as confidence inspiring but sometimes more fun at street speeds). I’m also guessing part of the reason you had trouble hitting redline is the taller gearing. The increased torque and shorter gearing on 4.0 definitely get you to redline faster. 4.0 kicks a lot harder, but sometimes I like how the 3.6 draws out the crescendo more. 981/718 are just entirely different beasts imo. I agree these are all great cars, with hair-splitting differences to anyone except the true Porsche die hard.
Hi Jeremy. You're right, they sharpened up the suspension using rose joints in the rear. They also had unique spring rates and springs that come with small helper springs to ensure some pre-load is always kept in the suspension. By using the long stroke crank of the RSR race car (there was no more space between the cylinders to allow expansion in that direction), a capacity of 3996cc was achieved, and because it had been stroked rather than bored, a lot of attention was paid to the way air gets into and gases emerge from the engine to ensure the power gain more than matched the increase in torque you’d expect. Porsche also fitted a new rear wing and discovered two things: first it not only eliminated all rear axle lift but then actually contributed 200kg of downforce at 183mph. Secondly it completely unbalanced the car aerodynamically. That’s why it has those little winglets at the front: they may not look like much but there are places at the Nürburgring where they make the difference between being able to go flat out and leaving the circuit. So whilst they may seem similar, and they have the same DNA, they really are two very different cars.
^^Like I said about the true Porsche die-hard :) 4.0 probably the last p-car I’d let go of behind CGT. But 3.6rs always leaves a big grin, especially in green.
Terrific review. How does this compare to 997.2 GT3 (non-RS)? Pricing wise not too far apart either. Which would you choose?
That is tough to answer without driving them back to back. I can tell you that the 991.2 GT3 RS is incredible. I drove that recently in Florida and a review is coming soon. Although that costs around £190k now in the UK, but well worth it.
888MF not bothered by lack of manual?
@@allanlai_ Full review coming soon to my TH-cam channel..... if you want manual then the 981 GT4 is a bargain
888MF awesome. Love your Porsche content.
Raw....Organic....Perfect!!!!!
I like your content. Thank you. Of course the newer cars don’t sound as great, particulate laws have changed. I think you should take that into account.
I mention the particulate filters a lot in previous reviews of the 718 Spyder and 718 GT4. However, that makes the older models even more appealing in my opinion.
888MF ok. Understood. Thanks for the great content!😎
Great video. Very interesting.
I love the porsche 911, personally they are perfect, Saludos
It'd be interesting to see you drive Sharkwerks 4.1 997.2 3Rs and compare it to your 4.0. Sharkwerks car is fuckin epic.
i suppose the gt3 rs 4.0 was also produced in limited numbers, hence the crazy price
Yes the limited production run of 600 has helped for sure, but that's not the only reason. It is an amazing car, with lots of carbon.
888MF Well it also has a Porsche Motorsport crankshaft straight out of that gen RSR, doesnt it?
Still, as soon as the situation allows, I am getting a 3.6 in viper green.
Its where its at for me.
Lovely intro! Shame about the backdrop for the still walk arounds (car park /fence) but other than this great.
Thanks. Sometimes you have to do filming where you can!
Nice review. I think the answer is to buy a 997.2 GT3 (not RS). About $110k in the US.
Thanks Greg. I prefer any RS version.
Which would you prefer 981 GT4 or 997 GT3 (no RS) ?
@@exev6700 That is easy. The GT4 as it has a 911 engine but with a mid engine layout and that gearbox is so sweet!!
Thanks!
But 997 GT3 has same Mezger engine as RS ...!?
@@exev6700 You are right, but I prefer the chassis of the GT4. As I said numerous times in the video, the GT4, GT3 RS and even GT3 are all great cars. They all have different characters. You choose the one you like driving. I have a Boxster Spyder as my day and a GT3 RS for weekends.
The 997.2 GT3RS 4.0L is THE greatest car ever built
Great review👌 But would rather save some extra cash for 997 RS MK2 in Grey-Red please🙏🥶💪 What about 997 GT2 RS? 👍
I prefer N/A engines
Moral of the story... less power = more fun on the roads (most of the time)?
Well having a manual box means you are more engaged, and therefore probably less focused on outright speed
I will def buy 997.1 GT3RS over GT4.
Agreed
Evora GT or Exige V6 next?
25k miles is high mileage? :D
I hope you bought your mate some new tyres!
They were on their way out anyways.... hence we had some fun filming.
This review needed 99% more engine noise / less talking
God damn it. Learn to say Porsche! There is a fricking E at the end and its not Porsch!
Porsche is a 2 syllable word. If you can’t say the name right, what can you really tell me about the car...
Haha, I’m sure there some logic there somewhere…
If you want track car buy Miata invest 10k in it and chances are you will be faster than any Porsche on the track day. If you like to show off pay 100k + for Porsche . Otherwise great car indeed.
So anyone that buys a Porsche as a track car is a show off? Please!!!!!!!!!!!
@@888mf4 not all for sure but big majority indeed.
Chances are it wont, my Boxster (987S) was quicker than any tuned mx5 (granted they may not have been maxed out tunes) on track.
I had a RS 4.0 and it was fast but my 991 GT3 with PDK was faster.
The 4.0 is not about speed, that's what makes it such an entertaining car to drive.
Eric Davis that’s because a computer is driving, I mean shifting for you. Hell, Tesla’s are fast as hell as well. 4.0 FTW!! (If you like driving)
Waffle
You feel a little bit more special in a 911 lol how insecure.