Once Human: Bye Bye Wish Machine?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Hey Everyone! Been reading some very interesting news articles that I wanted to share with you because this could have a huge impact on games like Once Human and gambling mechanics like the Wish Machine. Hopefully, this will incentivize NetEase and Starry Studio to get rid of this horrible system and give players a better way to earn blueprints in the game. Enjoy! #oncehuman
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0:00 Intro
02:20 What is the Wish Machine?
04:40 Why this matters
05:26 Starchroms are the wild card
06:23 New gaming law in China and $54 BILLION goes poof lol
08:06 The new rules & bans
08:58 Probability draws & The Wish Machine
13:03 Ways to fix Blueprints & Dakini Pubic Event example
17:07 Give players a reason to do events
19:30 EA & Ubisoft also took a hit too lol
20:00 Outro - เกม
this game has everything i look for in a game .. hope they fix this issues man.. they need to just add exclusive weapons on raid or missions like divisions...lets us grind weapons rather than stupid scam santa machine
Yep, totally agree. They need to put blueprints back into the actual game and give players a reason to play instead of grinding just so they can gamble.
Everyone needs to spam suggest removing this and NO p2w in all qustionaires they have. Been burned so many times on the no p2w lie, like lost ark... where you can buy and sell cosmetics with real money and then turn around and sell them for ingame currency. Just a round about p2w. This machine is more obvious and isn't even fun. Let us Target farm certain blueprint pieces that drop from certain bosses with higher rates in hard mode, but still rare!
100% agree. As I've mentioned before, the game is already starting to feel very dead in the open world because there aren't very many good reasons to engage with the Public Events which is why you rarely see anyone doing them. But if there were BPs we could earn by doing those it would get people out into the world and playing together for sure.
yeah this 100%. I've never played a p2w game yet and not about to start if it releases this way lol - I dunno it just feels wrong, I'd gladly pay one off purchase price on steam or support buying cosmetics only tho. I feel its even worse if the company somehow gives the impression it won't be p2w but goes back on it on release. That's just plain max dogshit
I would be 100% down with paying a subscription monthly to play then to have these possible P2W options
Right now, this machine is clearly an instrument that will destroy this beautiful game.
Totally agree. It's the one thing that I'm watching like a hawk. As much as I enjoy the game, if they go down the P2W road I'm done with it and the last video I make will be to advise my community to find other games to play.
You're right, that kind of monetization will make them a lot of money in the short run, but will kill the game in the long run.
The fairest monetization is when we buy the game and dlc with content, they can still sell skins. But gacha is literally a casino and that sucks.
as far as I know, when gacha games push through, they never consider gacha as a "P2W" as it's not directly buying an item. The spending limits have been here for a little bit of time for some gacha games. I believe Starchrom will be the premium currency(as it is now) and you can buy starchrom(as they have said cosmetics will be buyable). So I believe starchrom will be buyable, and you'll be able to gamble into gacha with it. I don't see a problem with it, if people want to spend their money to enjoy the game, that's fine, it's their way of enjoying it. @@trandel_elent
I've been shouting into the void about this damn Gacha machine for WEEKS.
There's a weird amount of effort put into this thing for it to just get removed.
Also, why is it designed to lock the best weapons in the game behind it in the BETA.
You'd think, they'd want them tested, so that they can Q&A and tweak them?
It just strikes me as odd.
Selling guns / armor that's arguably better than anything you get from just playing will make the PvP experience in this game miserable for most.
if it gave you the complete blueprint it MIGHT be worth it. But the text on the wish machine is really confusing trying to figure out drop rates.
Yeah, that's kinda the point of Gatcha mechanics, to be confusing and just not player-friendly at all sadly 😕
It is unfortunate this mechanics, so yes, you are absolutely right if they do not do things right very few people will want to continue playing it no matter how good it is, before players are people and we do not like scams.
Instead of being a free to play with gacha, it may become a priced game on steam. Hopefully they add blueprints to the dungeons instead of just mods.
I think the blueprints should be in the raid, otherwise it loses any point of re-runs
@@user-lc5bb5vd7p maybe the common blueprints in dungeons and the higher tier blueprints in raids.
You can definitely strike a balance. Have some of the lower tier purple blueprints in dungeons or silos and the higher tier gold unique in raids. Also, they don't necessarily have to guarantied, like in other MMOs it could just have a chance, just make it something reasonable like 1 in 2-3 or something for dungeons and Silos lol. And in harder content like raids it could be guarantied.
Good to see some one telling how it is
Thanks lol. Trying my best here and happy you enjoyed the video!
I like how you show examples of issues.
Thanks lol. Just trying to be upfront and honest with my opinions and to show with actual ingame context why this is concerning. It's earned me a lot of rage and hate from a portion of the player base, but that's just the price that needs to be paid at times. I hope it changes and the Dev's reverse this design choice in the future, but we'll have to wait and see.
Yeahhhh, like u said its pretty obvious when the same/only currency that runs the wish machine happens to match the cosmetics cash shop one. Sucks, cos I'm rly enjoying this game rn in beta
Well, hopefully, this new law from China will cause NetEase to think twice about some of their game design choices going forward. That and losing millions, or possibly billions, of dollars was a shock big enough to do it lol.
@@trandel_elent this vid answered another frustrating question for me too. I've got to lvl19 and saying to myself where the heck do I get these fragments from - I aint seen any at all lol. No wonder, can see now lolz
In the EU, this game mechanic is prohibited by EU law...
Totally wish it was here in the US too lol. Yeah, pretty sure I mention that in a few of my videos and not just this one.
the gacha machine reminds me of the same gacha machine from game called synced when you gamble with in game currency you get from in game events and tasks and your real life money well I dropped some and gold my shotgun 3/5 as I remember and while I'm playing the same repetitive game content you know you must use chat to recruit people to play with you in a specific mission so you find out that your gun is 3/5 stars or what ever and the guy recruiting need at least 4/5 gun immediately uninstalled so yea the gambling kills games for most players Cosmetics will be fine without affecting / ruining pvps and player experiences through the game
I understand why they would ban gatcha mechanics but daily login rewards? It has been around forever, it is a very basic way to reward players for playing. But you don’t need to play, just log in.
Well, I kinda see both sides on the login rewards. While I do like me some rewards just for a log in lol, it is a tool that many Dev's use to make players feel like they have to log in without missing stuff. Again, if you just make a fun game that is engaging you don't have to resort to tactics like that.
I wondered about this myself. Although, its only in China maybe? If it means that games from Chinese companies outside China lose gatcha I won't mind though.
Yep, it's a new law that China just passed. But since they are such a huge market it has sent some big waves through parts of the gaming industry. As I mentioned in the video, even companies like EA and Ubisoft saw their own stocks take a hit too. Now again, it is only games released in China that have to follow these new regulations so if you're someplace like the US we might still be screwed 😢😂. But NetEase might also think it's just not worth the hassle and get rid of it all together, and I don't know, actually try to make the game more engaging and fun when it comes to loot and blueprint 😂.
oh, i see, we call it the lockbox, and yes it's basically pay for power, pay for convience, pay for faster progressing lol, if this is a asain or koreon or those type of developers game, this is highly common and unfortunately normal
I got to this point in the game today and came to the exact same conclusion, if they make this pay to win it will kill any aspect of PVP being fair for all, i dont like the mechanics at all, but if they did separate the cosmetics from actual weapon and armor BPs that wouldn't be so bad.
Its just legalized gambling though.
PvP at the moment even with epic snipers/shrapnel builds will one shot headshot in pvp either way with a sniper - and shrapnel builds will rip someone in 4-5 shots. Having gacha rolls for more rare weapons will just excel your PvE aspects, not PvP by much as death is so quick anyways in PvP.
While I know Netease has done sketchy stuff in the past. I personally believe Starry will hold true to their statement. When they said they will never incorporate a pay to win option in their game. They seem super passionate about making the game a good experience. Shown by their hard work I have seen already in the past week in a free to play game in beta status. I plan to support them through purchasing cosmetics whenever I can. I hope it can stand among a game called Warframe which still to this day has one of the best functioning mechanics. Allowing people to pay real money for things that do not break the balance of the game. If they can pull it off this will be another game I play for years to come.
I also hope they don't resort to P2W tactics either, but I also have to be realistic about it as well given the history of Netease and with the current state of the Wish Machine in the game. While I think Warframe is a fun game, and one I have put substantial time into if you didn't notice the content I also made for it lol, it's definitely toes the line with its monetization. While not being P2W, it's for sure "pay to skip the grind" which is something that a lot of people have had issues with over the years. Still a fun game, but I would have preferred if they stuck to just cosmetics. Anyways, thanks for dropping by!
@@trandel_elentAgreed I played Warframe for six years when it originally released on consoles. You definitely could see the grind continuing to get worse for new players. I personally didn’t have an issue keeping up without paying but I played a lot. After eventually taking a break I had to much stuff to catch up on and it did burn me out. I know everyone has different opinions on spending money on games. I never was bothered by people being able to buy Warframes or guns. As it had zero effect on the mulitplayer aspect of the game. The only pvp side of that game was small and completely separate from anything you did in the main game. Unfortunately that’s where Oncw Human doesn’t have that luxury. Their pvp is in some core mechanics of their game so if they offer it I do not think it will end well. But I also think they know that at least I hope they do lol.
Dakini was the worst experience ever. We completed it and 5 People got the rewards (my 4 and a random) it was not worth the reward at all. Legit impossible to do without 4k ammo each and div-evo spamming E. I hope they re-add blueprints to echo stones. Saw people getting blue prints from LEA and echo stones in Closed beta 1. They removed those and added the wish machine (very pay to win mechanic). It is the same currency for cosmetics and emotes which means its pay to win IMO, because most features like that are purchased with real money and not in game currency. The echo stones should give an absurd amount of starchrom for the wish machine if they are not going to go back to the old system. I would also love Public events with a VOIP system in place. Like I just come to Dakini and start screaming to see if anyone is around XD
If it is super frustrating to farm through the purification of eco stones, as they give a ridiculously small amount of starchrom coins when the hordes that attack you are huge, now if you do it alone is a titanic task.
My only issue with using Echo stones is that they are PVP content which will turn a lot of people off from the game if they are forced to do PVP stuff just to get blueprints. They need to find a way to drop those prints that all players will want to interact with and the best option in my opinion is through the bosses which everyone has to do anyway for the story, with Public Events, and even Silos could work too. For MMOs to grow and thrive long-term there needs to be a sense of community, and right now the game is already starting to feel kinda dead. People hardly ever interact or communicate with anyone outside of spamming LFG for a boss. But if you give people a reason to come together for things like Public Events with blueprints as rewards, you'll give players a reason to interact which will hopefully start them getting to know each other and building that sense of community.
VOIP is in the game press f5
Just look at the past closed beta. Blueprints dropped from bosses etc.
Yep. That's what I've seen and heard too which is another reason for concern. Why would they go from a system like that to this Gatcha BS? I literally just got done doing a 2 hour stream and I did not run into a SINGLE PLAYER at all. The open world is already starting to feel dead because outside of grinding for Acid there aren't any other reasons to be out in the open world. They need to get rid of the stupid Gatcha Machine and put blueprints back into the actual game itself. Put blueprints as rewards for some of the Public Events and give players a reason to want to run them. It's that or the game is gonna get stale and boring really fast. Once that happens the PVE crowd is going to leave. Those are the folks that build communities, and they are the ones that make an MMO grow and thrive.
@@trandel_elent hello, i played the last beta yeah the bps drop from the bosses like the first great one (the shadow one it drop like 3 bps crumble, revolver and the ice breaker) and now after playing this current beta I was disappointed after I found out that they locked behind the bps behind the wish machine... we cant even star up the weapons without playing that dumb gacha now
And the monoliths tower became nothing more than just a part of story progress now. There is no reason to get back to it after doing it for the story progress (why even bother going to monoliths again if there are silos that give better rewards which are mods and stardust
@@Keanu-LeeOmarCAlawi Yep. It's totally crazy to me why they would have removed content like blueprints from the actual game and locked them behind a slot machine, it's absolutely insane.
@@Keanu-LeeOmarCAlawi 💯 truth. They have basically cut out most of the parts of an MMO that players use to replay and get gear/weapons and stuck them in the stupid Gacha machine instead.
yea get rid of this wish machine please....... luck based blueprint leveling is kinda dum
how they decide they will monetize the game will decide it's longevity, but live service needs a consistent form of revenue. P2W will push everyone who doesn't want to equip their wallet. i hate so say it but season/battle pass may be the only route in the long run. F2P keeps player counts high as the bar for entry is none existent
I agree it needs to be removed but sadly this is a Chinese MMO so I'm not getting my hopes up for the future of this game
Well, that's kinda the whole point of the video lol. Hopefully with this new regulation going into effect and how much money companies like Tencent and NetEase just lost basically overnight, some of these P2W game mechanics will hopefully start to be removed from games like Once Human. It's not a guarantee, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.
Its only banned on china they will just make different server global and chinese thats how they do
@@snow7141 Maybe or maybe not. This regulation has barely been on the books for two days so no one in the industry really knows what to expect yet.
yes remove that instead bp drop on boss hate gotcha
Would be glad to see it's gone, but what comes then?
They are gonna work for another solution to that. Maybe even something "worse".
I would love to give the devs some money, but not with Gacha. Final Fantasy XIV got 10€ per months from me, but I like the game so much, that I spend 23€ in all of my 10 Years of playing this Game, and it felt good. Even if it was just a mount.
The same would go for this Game. It will be F2P from what I heard and read. When the Game is fun, even without paying and not blocking me with stupid grinding. Then yeah, have some money for your F2P Game. Even if it's just Cosmetics.
There are tons of ways they could get rid of the Wish Machine that I talked about in the video. At the moment I rarely see other players doing any of the public events, but especially the Dakini one that I showed off. The Dev's could easily just put the blueprints as rewards for doing some of the harder events or as boss rewards after clearing the Great One fights. Either of these would encourage players to interact with the game and each other more.
And they could make more than enough money with just cosmetics if they just make the game fun and engaging instead of grinding. Path of Exile is a great example of a game that I have been more than happy to support by buying cosmetics over the years just because it's a fun game.
@@trandel_elentI don't believe this game will survive with selling cosmetics alone not unless this is a very linear game with much less to code like battle royale or CSGO type of game it will always out value the money and effort they put building a huge game. We all don't like gacha but unless they find a way to properly monetize the game this area will not be solve .. maybe making this a paid game will solve it? Or subscription base? I really don't know . Sure they can put alot of blue prints in some of the content but they really can't remove that machine . In f2p games skin provide less value than materials and items so no one really buy but when they put it on a battlepass I'm sure alot will buy it because it will sure include more items you can use .I'm sorry this is only my opinion but selling skins on my experience only works on battle royale or shooting games.
@@kaprebobwet2777 Sorry, I have to disagree. Path of Exile has been completely F2P for over a decade now and growing bigger every single year. They have never had to resort to Gatcha or P2W bs. Gatcha and P2W is what lazy and greedy Dev's resort to instead of learning and trying their best to just make a fun game that people want to play.
@@trandel_elent Can agree with that. I have a friend who loves Path of Exiles. Got a few thousand hours in it and never paid for anything.
Even if I dislike PoE for a few reasons, but P2W, Gacha, or other mechanics, no sir. One of the reasons, why it is still one of the best Games you can play for free.
When the pure Game is fun, People will play it. When People will play your Game, they want to support the Game. That means, more updates or even free big DLCs.
Rimworld is one good option to look at that: The Base Game alone, is fun. People started to make mods about it, the game got bigger and got good additions with DLCs.
When the Devs are letting the Gacha mechanic in the Game when it fully releases next Year, with Items you can only get with that mechanic. Or Items you can only acquire with the Ingame shop. (Not only cosmetics.) Then the Game will not be supportet in any way or even installed.
Only time will tell, if the Company is too greedy or want to give us a good an actual good Game. Hopes are not too high since the last decade of gaming...
The other part with the Raids. Yeah, good idea. I seem to be the only one who wants to do these on my server. Haha. But there is not really a reason, to do the Disco Boss... Maybe they could put in shards you could collect to trade with a merchant to get some sweet Weapon blueprints. Or something like that.
@@Mechonyo Yep exactly. I have played hundreds of hours in PoE and it's one of my favorite games ever. And because of that, I have been more than happy to buy a few supporter packs over the years for the skins and to help finance the game. Just make the game fun and people will support it 👍.
lol it's the same issue on my server, and probably most of the servers, no one really wants to deal with most of the harder Public Events because they just aren't worth the time and effort. But if the Dev's were to put those unique blueprints as rewards I 100% guarantee that players would want to get involved.
Sadly, I also agree with you too about my hopes not being too high for a positive change. NetEase has a horrible reputation for making grinding games filled with P2W BS. But, that was before this new law was passed, so this could be a point of reflection for them to actually try to put out an amazing, quality game. Or maybe not. Greed is a powerful, horrible thing that makes people do things even when it's not in their best interest.
Hey in the murmurs in the forest i cant find the rift keys or coordinates or whatever its called idk what im doing wrong
You have to do the near by strongholds and they will drop the coordinates
Just open mysterious crates in strongholds..
Temgo miedo ya que de netease
Netease is a gacha company, just go and see their game, every single one of them has purchases in game, just because is a beta I guess they don’t but any top up but just wait for the global release, every game netease touch becomes p2w
Well, with this new regulation from China it will be interesting to see what the future holds that's for sure. As the law currently stands the game absolutely cannot be released in China in its current state so they're gonna have to change it. As for other countries that's the unknown in this equation. Will they release multiple versions of the game, one for China's regulations and another for everywhere else? Or will they just get rid of the Gatcha and gambling and have just one version of the game? Time will tell which road they take.
I dislike gacha as well. The fact this plays into builds for playstyle annoys me.
Yeah, Gacha is honestly never a fun mechanic to run into and by it's very nature it's a predatory system that does not respect players or out time. Which is why so many countries are starting to outright make it illegal in games.
PS the only reason the wish machine is in the game , Is to get some of the other exclusive BP Sets that are currently not accessible due to that zone not being opened to up .
Sorry, gonna have to call bs on that one. Especially since the blueprints used to be in the actual game in previous beta's without any issues. So you're saying they coded an entire quest line just for that? Yeah, but nope.
Lol, where do ppl make this stuff up from 😆
this may end up being a whale game also like lost ark
Maybe, but with this new regulation maybe not lol. We'll have to see how it plays out and what the future holds, but losing billions of dollars overnight just might make some of these companies like NetEase start to change their ways lol.
Great journalism here Trandel_Elent unveiling the " probability Pay-2-Win mechanics ".
Let your voice be heard more clearly , try reducing the background Echo and mic Pops with a some filters and/or Vst?
way too many mods....please turn down armor and weapon mods