@@Albertalorian Once I have the trigger - locked handgun in a locked gun case, am I legally obligated to store it in a locked cabinet/safe? or can the locked gun case be stored in my room or on a table?
@@JudahMaccabee_ Unfortuneatly, this is a very "grey" area. There have been cases, where firearms are stored as you described (which is in accordance with the law) and were stolen from a residence; the owners were charged. The argument will come down too "was the due dilligence to conceal the cases made". I personally, would keep them in a closet or basement, behind some boxes or something. At the end of the day, a safe bolted into concrete is the best defense, but depending on the province and crown; even that is not enough sometimes.
@@Albertalorian Thank you for your response. I agree that all firearms should be locked away in a safe, but if I am home and an officer wants to come in and check my stuff because someone called him about me, I just want to make sure I have everything covered.
This is fantastic. Looking to get my restricted firearms license. The thing that had been making me hesitate from doing so in the past was that I was under the impression that you're basically stuck behind really strict laws about storing the gun in your own home. The gun safe thing I was unaware of. Thank you!
Hey Rod, have you heard of the "Harry Barnes (Johnny Sombrero) Case" in Ontario? Had his firearms (prohib's, restricted etc.) seized, they were locked in metal lockers or "cabinets" - Judge ruled they counted as a "safe" and fell under the definition. All his firearms were returned.
Yeah I remember hearing that they were old elementary school lockers he bought on auction and the judge said any 6 sided metal container with a lock counts as a safe
Question ..: Do you feel that as per our %?&*&% actual gun Laws in Canada that a NON loaded pistol kept secured and kept in a Coded Gun Vault ( see their videos on TH-cam ..) and a loaded magazine in my pouch on my belt would be considered as Lawful Storage .. ?? Secured but readily available in case of increasing rate of Home Invasion .. !! Here is the Link to what i am talking about .. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gun+Vault++videos&docid=4553255035013240&mid=173083BBEDA77B638D62173083BBEDA77B638D62&view=detail&FORM=VIRE5#view=detail&mid=0C1866F0EE209B41A28B0C1866F0EE209B41A28B
Hey Rod, dumb question, what is the difference if any between like a key locking cabinet and a combo safe, is the cabinet still considered a "safe" in terms of legal storage for restricted or thought of as lesser?? I have seen the 150$ green standard small cabinet at CT. If i were to buy an AR and a Glock, Would they still be considered in a "safe" or just a cabinet ? Thanks man
Adam Spotagwan I am actually trying to find the answer to this exact question also, but because I want to build a gun safe, or small room designed specifically for guns, just possibly one that fits inside of another room. how heavy duty does a cabinet have to be before it is a safe?
As I interpret the act, it appears all firearms (non-restricted, restricted, and prohibited alike) must be stored in a manner that renders them inoperable, such as a secure locking device (S.6(b)(i)). Again, may be wrong, but just wondering. Edit: I likely am wrong, as Civil Advantage rightly corrected me regarding the storage of non-restricted firearms. But I'm not deleting this post because I'd rather not look like the kind of person that refuses acknowledge his errors.
Just wanted to say, your videos are absolutely informative for someone new to firearms. Can't wait for my application to finish processing and start this great new hobby,
Secured means fastened, that handgun case would need to be tethered to the building. Also the 3rd method is using a cable lock and running it through 2 eye bolts for display purposes.
Hey Rod would you (without bearing any legal responsibility for your answer :-)) know if your rest/non rest storage videos are still currently accurate for 2018? Steve - TO
If you're going to get into specifics of construction materials and specify a 3" fastener, then you have to include some warning that the selected fastener is long enough to penetrate electrical and water conduits concealed in the walls. These are normally centered in a 2x4 and with standard 1/2" sheathing a 1 1/2" fastener should not reach them, and in exterior walls where 2x6 construction might be used it is probably fine to use 3" screws. 1 1/2" fasteners are insufficient, however. Electrical conductors may be concealed less than 1 1/2" in a stud, but then they should be covered by a metal plate if the construction complies with building codes. I would suggest locating water and electrical devices, ensuring you are clear of them and use 4 1/2" by 1/4" lag bolt, since the screw you prescribed does not specify gauge, four #8 (the most common) screws could be sheared by a hard pull by hand, or easily broken off by even a small pry bar and if someone is intent on stealing a heavy gun case full of ammo and equipment, the screws offer almost no resistance whatsoever. I don't have a lot of firearms so I can store them in a carrying case with two incorporated locks. It has two loops for additional locks which I can use to lock it onto a couple of eye bolts fastened to studs, so it is both immobilized and locked, in a manner similar to a safe, but I can also throw the whole thing in my van, and even lock it to hard points in the van so it can not be removed without a key, actually two keys, or cutting hardened steel. A case is nice, and a thief would probably appreciate you supplying one when he steals your guns, and case, which are both very easily taken from your possession when they are left completely mobile in a simple gun case. So that's option number whatever. A cheap safe alternative. $75.
That was a very good video. I did not think of the gun safe option. Thanks for clarifying that. I do have a question for you. When it comes to hunting rifles, is there a caliber that falls into the restricted category or is does the regulation only focuses on the length of the barrel?
Rod: Greetings from Calgary and thanks for all the great work. Here's my question (or request for your opinion): my local range guy says my little "Bulldog Vault" (big enough for a pistol and a couple magazines but that's about it) becomes a "safe" if I lag bolt it to a stud in my house. What say you to this? It's rather flimsy to be calling a safe in the conventional way one thinks of a safe. Personally I'm keeping my cable lock and trigger lock both on anyway (children in the house), but I am curious as to what you think. Thanks again for all the great videos.
Hi Sir. I read below your comments. Restricted hand guns not necessary must have a secure lock on unless is unloaded and locked into a safe > My question is: Can I store the gun in my Sentry vault which is bolted in the closet bedroom ? thank you
Looking into the Costco safes. The boss requires it if I wish to get my RPAL and have any handguns in the house. Hopefully some will come back into my store soon.
What about firesafe they sell at staples, costco. They weight about 50 pounds , they are thiker than gun cabinet , they offer 1h to 1.5h fire resist, and you can bolt them to the wall too.. they are too small for rifles but you can easily put 4 or 5 handguns in it.. Do they qualify? Are they legal? Not eveyone can move 300 pounds safe. 50-60 pounds is pretty much the heaviest i can move from the store to my house without the need to hire movers. So can we use those small fire restistant small safe sold at staple and costco?
Does not have to be a safe for unlocked storage. Can be a room designed or altered for secure storage. An acceptable secure room can be constructed for not much more cost than a decent (reasonable quality and capacity) gun safe.
I'm not sure why it's not mentioned but there is actually holes pre-drilled in most if not all gun safes on the floor board of the safe and usually come with bolts. You can bolt the safe to the floor of your house. Just refrain from doing so on a second floor of the house as it pretty obvious why.
Once I have the trigger - locked handgun in a locked gun case, am I legally obligated to store it in a locked cabinet/safe? or can the locked gun case be stored in my room or on a table?
For your Option 1, if the pistol is unloaded, trigger locked, and put in the case and locked the cases. Can the case be put anywhere in the house or the case still needs to lock in a room? I trigger locked all my pistol and put it in the gun cabinet with a key lock. But sometimes I will have one pistol out in my room upstair to dry fired. And afterwards, can I just do option 1, pistol unloaded, trigger locked, and put in the case and locked the cases and just put in my bed side? Is this comply the law?
To be clear, when you say "safe", you do not mean cabinet right? Because even a "cabinet" is easier to drill through than a "safe", by way of their wall thickness.
Hi Rod, how are the petitions going and Is a lockable fire resistant box(they are extremely heavy as well), considered a safe? Thank you for your videos!
So I don't have any space to have an actual gun safe. And i have a question about storing restricted firearms. Does locked closet count as securely locked container if i put trigger lock and put a gun in a locked box ?
Great videos Rod..... Here is the question... You have 2 mags cupeled together, one loaded the empty one in the restricted firearm in the safe ? Thanks. Keep up the good work
Hey Rod, you ever open up the discussion on what would be considered a "difficult to break into" for fire arm storage? I totally agree with you as the safe is the trump card. But I just went through a rather unfortunate experience with my safe and was looking at other safes online, google led me to "gun rooms" and I am curious on the requirements such a room would have? Any thoughts?
hey rod, i have a locking gun cabinet if i member right its either a 16 or 20 count cabinet, is it leagally required to be screwed to the wall or is it just added protection. im in ontario by the way
what about storing a unloaded pistol with no trigger lock in a small pistol safe with a loaded magazine inside the safe? It's not a little storage box, but a small safe for money, gold, or pistols. In order to store the pistol with no trigger lock, and a loaded magazine in the safe, it doesn't have to be one of those large rifle safes does it, a small pistol safe will do? And there are no regulations that the safe has to be drilled to the wall correct?
@@a.m7112 that's fine. But he was inquiring about storage.... not transporting a firearm. And in this case, you are allowed to have a pistol and a charged magazine locked together in a safe. Not a gun cabinet... but a safe/vault.
@@a.m7112 how is that relevant to the question he asked? Everything in my house is over and above legal as far as storage, but personally, outside of that, it's my business and none of yours as far as what I do. You're baiting and you're one of those annoying people. Lol Where do you keep live ammo?
i do have a question about safe vs cabinet. i live in a condo where a huge heavy safe is not an option but i can get a light smaller stackon cabinet. do i need to trigger lock my restricted rifles in the cabinet. on the rcmp website under storing restricted it first mentions cabinets if you trigger lock but after the OR when i give you other options it no longer mentions cabinet and only says safe, vault or room. we all know how vauge the gun laws are here in canada and how the rcmp love to make things confusing so i figured id ask an expert just to make sure.
Another great video, thanks! Quick question, are those small handgun safes legally classified as, safes, or are they not enough to legally store a handgun without trigger locks and etc.?
I haven't got the answer from the firearm center on that but the law states "securely locked container that is not easily broken into". I don't want to argue what that means with the crown so I (personally) stick with hard cases.
Why so many comments about minimizing gun safe? Get a good safe to protect the nosy/not authorized that allows YOU quick access if that's what you think you need.
When you're talking about a safe do you mean the large floor models or is a small handgun safe considered the same as far as legal storage is concerned?
So I've been looking for a gun safe and I've come a problem and maybe you can help. Is a "Gun Safe" and "Gun Cabinet" synonymous? Or is the cabinet less secure?
you need to do a brief video also explaining to people the difference between a cabinet and a safe. there are many people that think a cabinet with a safe style door is a safe, eg costco cabinets with safe style doors,
when i got my firearms license in nova scotia, the firearms office interview person came to my house and wanted to see where i would be storing my stuff and he said the thin metal cabinets no matter what the door was made of were still a cabinet. a safe he considered something big/heavy enough that someone would not easily break into/ too heavy to just walk off with.
yes, as long as its not loaded into the gun, and there is no round in the chamber. I was told by the CFO's office in AB, keep the handgun unloaded, with an empty magazine in it, and the loaded magazines, beside the gun.
Hey Rod. Is the ShotLock pistol safe still considered a 'safe' even though it only holds one pistol and mags. Was thinking if it was secured into wall studs as well, it would prevent it from being taken.
They used to have less expensive ones. I think they were Honeywell's. www.costco.ca/Sentry%C2%AESafe-Executive-Security-Safe-With-0.2-cu.-ft.-Media-Chest.product.100074035.html
maxreuv Try LeBarons in Markham? May be not the same safe, but there are a wide variety of variably sized, reasonably priced safes with key-code locks. Plus the store in general just feels like the right place to discuss and purchase hunting/outdoor gear, better than an oversized grocery store imo...
I just completed my RPAL in Red Deer and the instructors stated that a loaded magazine is still considered a "loaded firearm" and therefore ammo cannot be stored IN the mag inside of your locked container. It's also prohibited to attend the local range with mags pre-loaded. Is this something new or a misinterpretation?
What are you/they basing that on? I could be wrong but I don't see anything in the laws or regulations to support that claim. As I write this he CFPs own storage regs off their own website state that: (1) The firearm is itself must be unloaded. (2) Ammunition can be in the same locked container as the firearm. Unloaded. As in ACTS+PROVEn safe. No live ammunition in the firearm whatsoever. That includes no loaded mags inside the firearm itself. Since ammo inside the locked container is explicitly allowed, and since it would stand to reason not to have it floating around loosely therin; so storing them inside an ammo container is prudent. A magazine serves the same purpose a container. So long as it remains outside of the firearm, while still locked inside a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into, I fail to see what specific law or regulation would this unsafe or illegal.
They used too, but recent firearms cases, have set a precedent, that cabinets are not "safes" and weather or not they can be considered a "secure locking container"will be up to the officer/judge. The best thing to do, is get a safe, even a cheap one, and securely mount it.
It must be in a safe, with a secure locking device, and depending on the type of prohib, the firing pin or bolt carrier might need to be removed. (Generally Machineguns)
You should clarify your statement because when you say you don't need a secure locking device on the firearm in a safe I think you were referring to non-restricted firearms, because I believe you still do for restricted no matter if it's in a safe. Some people might get confused. th-cam.com/video/ftJE2R26HAI/w-d-xo.htmlm48s
Re-reading it I could be wrong? The bullet after says "or" in the manual when I interpreted it as still needing a locking device. Another thing to think about is how they define what a safe or vault is. I have a Stack-On security cabinet which I don't think would be considered a safe or vault
So I can store my Glock 17, in my mini safe that is in the night table beside my bed. And in storing it there it can be unloaded, unlocked, and have a loaded magazine beside it?
+420Leprikon I contacted the RCMP, asking the same question. Instead of answer yes they gave me the run around by sending my the storing regulations. Aka, they knew was legal just didn't want to tell.
+Brandon Parker Some RCMP are gun owners themselves and very helpful, however the important thing to remember is firstly, the RCMP are not the legal authority on firearms. That is the Firearms Act, and the RCMP have been known to manipulate it to serve their purpose. Secondly, they're under to obligation to give truthful information. Take everything they say with a grain of salt, including their own published material. For the most part their published information is true, however they have been known to alter items/dates, but mostly they are guilty of withholding information which gives firearm owners more freedom.
@@brandonparker138 Best thing to do with any firearms questions is to call the CFO and ask them to send it to you in writing. If you ever have a problem with your storage method, you can show that to the police.
Great video, I also understand you can store them in a room that has been specifically designed for firearms storage, eg no windows, metal door etc and its basically considered a safe: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm. I'm not sure how this works but I assume it would have to be inspected to see if it meets the requirements(I'll call the firearms office and send them my specs for the room). I was going to look into it because I'm probably going to be building a house in the next couple years and will probably throw in a secure man cave of sorts.
Great videos - but just to clarify - I called the 1 800 731 4000 and they said that even if a pistol is stored in a gun safe (as distinct from a locked box or case) I am still required by law to have a trigger lock on the pistol. Can anyone confirm?
Locking ammo in the same lock box, case ect with your firearm is illegal. Not allowed, no permitted by Canadian law. Not sure why you've deemed this okay and are spreading this misinformation..
Pathetic! I keep 2 loaded guns by my bedside and I carry one mostly every day. And is warm here in FL even in the Winter. It must suck to be from Canada
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Very informative! Based on my research this is still accurate as of May 2021. Thanks for posting this awesome video, cheers!
Thanks for the update
Still Accurate as of Aug 2022, cheers!
@@Albertalorian Once I have the trigger - locked handgun in a locked gun case, am I legally obligated to store it in a locked cabinet/safe? or can the locked gun case be stored in my room or on a table?
@@JudahMaccabee_ Unfortuneatly, this is a very "grey" area. There have been cases, where firearms are stored as you described (which is in accordance with the law) and were stolen from a residence; the owners were charged. The argument will come down too "was the due dilligence to conceal the cases made". I personally, would keep them in a closet or basement, behind some boxes or something. At the end of the day, a safe bolted into concrete is the best defense, but depending on the province and crown; even that is not enough sometimes.
@@Albertalorian Thank you for your response. I agree that all firearms should be locked away in a safe, but if I am home and an officer wants to come in and check my stuff because someone called him about me, I just want to make sure I have everything covered.
This is fantastic. Looking to get my restricted firearms license. The thing that had been making me hesitate from doing so in the past was that I was under the impression that you're basically stuck behind really strict laws about storing the gun in your own home. The gun safe thing I was unaware of. Thank you!
Hey Rod, have you heard of the "Harry Barnes (Johnny Sombrero) Case" in Ontario? Had his firearms (prohib's, restricted etc.) seized, they were locked in metal lockers or "cabinets" - Judge ruled they counted as a "safe" and fell under the definition. All his firearms were returned.
Yeah I remember hearing that they were old elementary school lockers he bought on auction and the judge said any 6 sided metal container with a lock counts as a safe
To be clear, no secure locking devices required on restricted firearms if they are in a safe. They have to be unloaded.
Question ..: Do you feel that as per our %?&*&% actual gun Laws in Canada that a NON loaded pistol kept secured and kept in a Coded Gun Vault ( see their videos on TH-cam ..) and a loaded magazine in my pouch on my belt would be considered as Lawful Storage .. ?? Secured but readily available in case of increasing rate of Home Invasion .. !! Here is the Link to what i am talking about .. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gun+Vault++videos&docid=4553255035013240&mid=173083BBEDA77B638D62173083BBEDA77B638D62&view=detail&FORM=VIRE5#view=detail&mid=0C1866F0EE209B41A28B0C1866F0EE209B41A28B
Hey Rod, dumb question, what is the difference if any between like a key locking cabinet and a combo safe, is the cabinet still considered a "safe" in terms of legal storage for restricted or thought of as lesser?? I have seen the 150$ green standard small cabinet at CT. If i were to buy an AR and a Glock, Would they still be considered in a "safe" or just a cabinet ? Thanks man
Adam Spotagwan
I am actually trying to find the answer to this exact question also, but because I want to build a gun safe, or small room designed specifically for guns, just possibly one that fits inside of another room. how heavy duty does a cabinet have to be before it is a safe?
Restricted or not, they can be in a securely locked safe, unloaded, no secure locking device required.
As I interpret the act, it appears all firearms (non-restricted, restricted, and prohibited alike) must be stored in a manner that renders them inoperable, such as a secure locking device (S.6(b)(i)). Again, may be wrong, but just wondering.
Edit: I likely am wrong, as Civil Advantage rightly corrected me regarding the storage of non-restricted firearms. But I'm not deleting this post because I'd rather not look like the kind of person that refuses acknowledge his errors.
Just wanted to say, your videos are absolutely informative for someone new to firearms. Can't wait for my application to finish processing and start this great new hobby,
I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Very informative. Thank you for your efforts in firearms awareness, keep up the great work!!
Thanks Joe!!
Secured means fastened, that handgun case would need to be tethered to the building. Also the 3rd method is using a cable lock and running it through 2 eye bolts for display purposes.
Thanks for all your hard work Rod.and all the tips very appreciated.
Hey Rod would you (without bearing any legal responsibility for your answer :-)) know if your rest/non rest storage videos are still currently accurate for 2018?
Steve - TO
I am enjoying your youtube channel. It has answered a lot of questions for me. thank you.
If you're going to get into specifics of construction materials and specify a 3" fastener, then you have to include some warning that the selected fastener is long enough to penetrate electrical and water conduits concealed in the walls.
These are normally centered in a 2x4 and with standard 1/2" sheathing a 1 1/2" fastener should not reach them, and in exterior walls where 2x6 construction might be used it is probably fine to use 3" screws. 1 1/2" fasteners are insufficient, however.
Electrical conductors may be concealed less than 1 1/2" in a stud, but then they should be covered by a metal plate if the construction complies with building codes.
I would suggest locating water and electrical devices, ensuring you are clear of them and use 4 1/2" by 1/4" lag bolt, since the screw you prescribed does not specify gauge, four #8 (the most common) screws could be sheared by a hard pull by hand, or easily broken off by even a small pry bar and if someone is intent on stealing a heavy gun case full of ammo and equipment, the screws offer almost no resistance whatsoever.
I don't have a lot of firearms so I can store them in a carrying case with two incorporated locks. It has two loops for additional locks which I can use to lock it onto a couple of eye bolts fastened to studs, so it is both immobilized and locked, in a manner similar to a safe, but I can also throw the whole thing in my van, and even lock it to hard points in the van so it can not be removed without a key, actually two keys, or cutting hardened steel.
A case is nice, and a thief would probably appreciate you supplying one when he steals your guns, and case, which are both very easily taken from your possession when they are left completely mobile in a simple gun case. So that's option number whatever. A cheap safe alternative. $75.
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That was a very good video. I did not think of the gun safe option. Thanks for clarifying that.
I do have a question for you. When it comes to hunting rifles, is there a caliber that falls into the restricted category or is does the regulation only focuses on the length of the barrel?
Rod: Greetings from Calgary and thanks for all the great work. Here's my question (or request for your opinion): my local range guy says my little "Bulldog Vault" (big enough for a pistol and a couple magazines but that's about it) becomes a "safe" if I lag bolt it to a stud in my house. What say you to this? It's rather flimsy to be calling a safe in the conventional way one thinks of a safe. Personally I'm keeping my cable lock and trigger lock both on anyway (children in the house), but I am curious as to what you think. Thanks again for all the great videos.
I have a question as far as safes go... Do the same rules for safes apply to cabinets?? No combo thin sheet metal one key or two depending on the make
Hi Sir. I read below your comments. Restricted hand guns not necessary must have a secure lock on unless is unloaded and locked into a safe > My question is: Can I store the gun in my Sentry vault which is bolted in the closet bedroom ? thank you
I seen a few people ask what defines difficult, anything that requires tools would qualify.
Looking into the Costco safes. The boss requires it if I wish to get my RPAL and have any handguns in the house. Hopefully some will come back into my store soon.
The boss, did you mean your wife? ahaha! That's funny :P
@@shawndythomas2683 yes
@@shawndythomas2683 just passed my rpal class today :)))
@@drvelocci nice job man!
What about firesafe they sell at staples, costco. They weight about 50 pounds , they are thiker than gun cabinet , they offer 1h to 1.5h fire resist, and you can bolt them to the wall too.. they are too small for rifles but you can easily put 4 or 5 handguns in it..
Do they qualify? Are they legal? Not eveyone can move 300 pounds safe. 50-60 pounds is pretty much the heaviest i can move from the store to my house without the need to hire movers.
So can we use those small fire restistant small safe sold at staple and costco?
Just wondering if laws have changed in past few years regarding the secure locking device required even if a restricted firearm is locked in a safe...
A locking device was never needed in Canada if firearm is stored in gun safe. So, nothing changed
Does not have to be a safe for unlocked storage. Can be a room designed or altered for secure storage. An acceptable secure room can be constructed for not much more cost than a decent (reasonable quality and capacity) gun safe.
Does the Stack On Steel Security Cabinet meets the definition of a "Safe"?
Yes
Yes
I'm not sure why it's not mentioned but there is actually holes pre-drilled in most if not all gun safes on the floor board of the safe and usually come with bolts. You can bolt the safe to the floor of your house. Just refrain from doing so on a second floor of the house as it pretty obvious why.
Once I have the trigger - locked handgun in a locked gun case, am I legally obligated to store it in a locked cabinet/safe? or can the locked gun case be stored in my room or on a table?
For your Option 1, if the pistol is unloaded, trigger locked, and put in the case and locked the cases. Can the case be put anywhere in the house or the case still needs to lock in a room?
I trigger locked all my pistol and put it in the gun cabinet with a key lock. But sometimes I will have one pistol out in my room upstair to dry fired. And afterwards, can I just do option 1, pistol unloaded, trigger locked, and put in the case and locked the cases and just put in my bed side? Is this comply the law?
Hi rod gun safe or gun cabinet is there a difference in the eyes of our glorious RCMP
To be clear, when you say "safe", you do not mean cabinet right? Because even a "cabinet" is easier to drill through than a "safe", by way of their wall thickness.
Correct, a Cabinet is no longer considered a "safe".
Hi Rod, how are the petitions going and Is a lockable fire resistant box(they are extremely heavy as well), considered a safe?
Thank you for your videos!
@civiladvantage is this video still relevant today? Thanks
Eh Rod, have these laws changed?? Is what your saying still Law ??
So I don't have any space to have an actual gun safe. And i have a question about storing restricted firearms. Does locked closet count as securely locked container if i put trigger lock and put a gun in a locked box ?
StackOn Cabinets from canadian tire are ok to keep firearms without triger or cable lock ? Loaded magazines can be in the there too ?
Great videos Rod..... Here is the question... You have 2 mags cupeled together, one loaded the empty one in the restricted firearm in the safe ? Thanks. Keep up the good work
Empty mags in a firearm are fine, they are still unloaded
Hey Rod, you ever open up the discussion on what would be considered a "difficult to break into" for fire arm storage? I totally agree with you as the safe is the trump card. But I just went through a rather unfortunate experience with my safe and was looking at other safes online, google led me to "gun rooms" and I am curious on the requirements such a room would have? Any thoughts?
So you do not need to put a trigger lock on restricted firearms if there in a safe?
True
hey rod, i have a locking gun cabinet if i member right its either a 16 or 20 count cabinet, is it leagally required to be screwed to the wall or is it just added protection. im in ontario by the way
what about storing a unloaded pistol with no trigger lock in a small pistol safe with a loaded magazine inside the safe? It's not a little storage box, but a small safe for money, gold, or pistols. In order to store the pistol with no trigger lock, and a loaded magazine in the safe, it doesn't have to be one of those large rifle safes does it, a small pistol safe will do? And there are no regulations that the safe has to be drilled to the wall correct?
He already answered that. See option 2 in the video.
@@a.m7112 why not?
@@a.m7112 that's fine. But he was inquiring about storage.... not transporting a firearm. And in this case, you are allowed to have a pistol and a charged magazine locked together in a safe. Not a gun cabinet... but a safe/vault.
@@a.m7112 how is that relevant to the question he asked? Everything in my house is over and above legal as far as storage, but personally, outside of that, it's my business and none of yours as far as what I do. You're baiting and you're one of those annoying people. Lol Where do you keep live ammo?
@@a.m7112 what about all my kitchen knives? And why would you imply that I'm planning a criminal act? Go away.
I have a question. Could you use the case in which a glock 17 comes in as a lock box, given that you put a lock around the handle?
Could you do a video on displaying restricted and non-restricted firearms.
Can I store in a detached garage? Doors double locked, bars on windows
i do have a question about safe vs cabinet. i live in a condo where a huge heavy safe is not an option but i can get a light smaller stackon cabinet. do i need to trigger lock my restricted rifles in the cabinet. on the rcmp website under storing restricted it first mentions cabinets if you trigger lock but after the OR when i give you other options it no longer mentions cabinet and only says safe, vault or room. we all know how vauge the gun laws are here in canada and how the rcmp love to make things confusing so i figured id ask an expert just to make sure.
Another great video, thanks! Quick question, are those small handgun safes legally classified as, safes, or are they not enough to legally store a handgun without trigger locks and etc.?
Ill look into that.
thanks, id really appreciate it!
Is this still accurate in post c21 Trudopia?
I thought ammo has to be stored and locked up separate and cannot be stored in the same safe ?
thank you so much , where can i check for my local by-laws?
Rod. Quick question (but I think I do know the answer though)... no soft cases for, let's say, ARs, allowed in Canada?
I haven't got the answer from the firearm center on that but the law states "securely locked container that is not easily broken into". I don't want to argue what that means with the crown so I (personally) stick with hard cases.
thanks for the video, watched this even I read our gun laws few time, just in case I missed anything .
Why so many comments about minimizing gun safe? Get a good safe to protect the nosy/not authorized that allows YOU quick access if that's what you think you need.
Hey Rob- Whatever happened to being able to carry a pistol as a hunting back up?
When you're talking about a safe do you mean the large floor models or is a small handgun safe considered the same as far as legal storage is concerned?
New vid uploading now covering this in detail.
Thank you Sir.
What brands of lower priced safes do you recommend?
Marian Greksa
Stack on are about the cheapest you can get.
But in reality, you can have your guns in a locked closet if you want.
Civil advantage is fantasic!
Thanks, much appreciated
what is considered a gun cabinet - can any lockable metal cabinet do?
That is currently up for debate in the law, I would just get a safe (any safe), and bolt it to the floor.
What about if you have farm animals, my understanding is you can have firearms ready to go. I lost half my chickens one day trying to load a gun.
What legally defines a safe?
Does the safe have to be attached to the wall/floor?
What's the legal definition or difference between a 'locker' and a 'safe'? Or is there one?
I would like to know also.... caĺling today.to know
What constitutes a gun safe?
how has this changed in 2024?
Is this video older ?
stack-on cabinet with a lock doesnt consider gun safe right? still need a trigger lock on guns to store in there?
Darrell Funk I think a cabinet like that is considered a safe. Not legal advise though.
>If you can afford a gun you can afford a gun safe
Not so long as that Dominion Arms backpacker is going for $100 on Canadaammo.com
does the safe have to be bolted down?
Which safe do you recommend? I just purchased a Cabelas by Liberty. is that any good?
Yes it is, any "safe" is better than a Cabinet.
what about those speed safes they have now??
Does the Gun safe need to be bolted on the floor or wall?
Yes
So I've been looking for a gun safe and I've come a problem and maybe you can help. Is a "Gun Safe" and "Gun Cabinet" synonymous? Or is the cabinet less secure?
My opinion only, they are the same. If constructed of solid metal and sold for the secure storage of firearms. No windows..
Thanks!
Civil Advantage so the stack on cabinets you asemble your self is a safe?
Hi Rod- Can you put the safe in your Garage?
Thanks.
you need to do a brief video also explaining to people the difference between a cabinet and a safe. there are many people that think a cabinet with a safe style door is a safe, eg costco cabinets with safe style doors,
I'll look into that.
when i got my firearms license in nova scotia, the firearms office interview person came to my house and wanted to see where i would be storing my stuff and he said the thin metal cabinets no matter what the door was made of were still a cabinet. a safe he considered something big/heavy enough that someone would not easily break into/ too heavy to just walk off with.
With Restricted you don't need cable or trigger locks when in the gunsafe? I thought they had to be double locked.
Not when in a safe. For transport, yes. If in a locked box only, yes.
hi I own a handgun in canada I don't need two locks on it if it is the gun safe? I was told I need two locks no matter what
No locks are required if you store it inside a gun safe. Keyword is required.
A biometric gun safe is also legal. Handy for single handgun.
I got this one. Biometric with over ride key. I don't even own a handgun. I have the safe for my passport and $1000 cash on hand.
I have a Vaultek life pod safe can I legally store a loaded magazine with my hand gun in it
yes, as long as its not loaded into the gun, and there is no round in the chamber. I was told by the CFO's office in AB, keep the handgun unloaded, with an empty magazine in it, and the loaded magazines, beside the gun.
I would err on the side of caution and store the ammo in a separate container.
I have a 48 gun safe that weighs 800 pounds. If they can steal that they deserve what's inside
Hey Rod.
Is the ShotLock pistol safe still considered a 'safe' even though it only holds one pistol and mags. Was thinking if it was secured into wall studs as well, it would prevent it from being taken.
I just bought the shotlock for that reason. It is a safe. It is screwed to my floor.
Are you talking about a gun "safe" or a gun "locker"? Because a gun "safe" is not something one would readily drill holes through.
Consumer level safe. Costco $350 style...
Who will actually enforce this?
What about gun rooms?
Rod, could recommend a 12-16 gun safe? Thanks!
They used to have less expensive ones. I think they were Honeywell's.
www.costco.ca/Sentry%C2%AESafe-Executive-Security-Safe-With-0.2-cu.-ft.-Media-Chest.product.100074035.html
Civil Advantage Thank you
The Costco ones are an excellent unit and at a great price.
Keypad is quick and easy to use as well.
ManitobaWolf
the problem is, here in GTA, Costcos do not have them in stock...
maxreuv Try LeBarons in Markham? May be not the same safe, but there are a wide variety of variably sized, reasonably priced safes with key-code locks. Plus the store in general just feels like the right place to discuss and purchase hunting/outdoor gear, better than an oversized grocery store imo...
Sheesh, and I though the gun laws here in the U.S. were strict. Interesting and informative videos though.
I just completed my RPAL in Red Deer and the instructors stated that a loaded magazine is still considered a "loaded firearm" and therefore ammo cannot be stored IN the mag inside of your locked container. It's also prohibited to attend the local range with mags pre-loaded. Is this something new or a misinterpretation?
What are you/they basing that on? I could be wrong but I don't see anything in the laws or regulations to support that claim.
As I write this he CFPs own storage regs off their own website state that:
(1) The firearm is itself must be unloaded.
(2) Ammunition can be in the same locked container as the firearm.
Unloaded. As in ACTS+PROVEn safe. No live ammunition in the firearm whatsoever. That includes no loaded mags inside the firearm itself.
Since ammo inside the locked container is explicitly allowed, and since it would stand to reason not to have it floating around loosely therin; so storing them inside an ammo container is prudent. A magazine serves the same purpose a container.
So long as it remains outside of the firearm, while still locked inside a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into, I fail to see what specific law or regulation would this unsafe or illegal.
Would a gun cabinet suffice?
They used too, but recent firearms cases, have set a precedent, that cabinets are not "safes" and weather or not they can be considered a "secure locking container"will be up to the officer/judge. The best thing to do, is get a safe, even a cheap one, and securely mount it.
how about storing a Prohibited firearm?
It must be in a safe, with a secure locking device, and depending on the type of prohib, the firing pin or bolt carrier might need to be removed. (Generally Machineguns)
Appease the firearm gods hahahahahaha I died.
Does this Apply in 2022?
Yes, current as of Aug 2022.
is this still legal in canada
Ur mom
Dont mind the pol or ukrainian... Yes probably
You should clarify your statement because when you say you don't need a secure locking device on the firearm in a safe I think you were referring to non-restricted firearms, because I believe you still do for restricted no matter if it's in a safe. Some people might get confused.
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Re-reading it I could be wrong? The bullet after says "or" in the manual when I interpreted it as still needing a locking device. Another thing to think about is how they define what a safe or vault is. I have a Stack-On security cabinet which I don't think would be considered a safe or vault
So I can store my Glock 17, in my mini safe that is in the night table beside my bed. And in storing it there it can be unloaded, unlocked, and have a loaded magazine beside it?
+Brandon Parker Yes. Thats how I store my M&P .40.
+420Leprikon I contacted the RCMP, asking the same question. Instead of answer yes they gave me the run around by sending my the storing regulations. Aka, they knew was legal just didn't want to tell.
+Brandon Parker Some RCMP are gun owners themselves and very helpful, however the important thing to remember is firstly, the RCMP are not the legal authority on firearms. That is the Firearms Act, and the RCMP have been known to manipulate it to serve their purpose. Secondly, they're under to obligation to give truthful information. Take everything they say with a grain of salt, including their own published material. For the most part their published information is true, however they have been known to alter items/dates, but mostly they are guilty of withholding information which gives firearm owners more freedom.
@@brandonparker138 Best thing to do with any firearms questions is to call the CFO and ask them to send it to you in writing. If you ever have a problem with your storage method, you can show that to the police.
Great video, I also understand you can store them in a room that has been specifically designed for firearms storage, eg no windows, metal door etc and its basically considered a safe: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm. I'm not sure how this works but I assume it would have to be inspected to see if it meets the requirements(I'll call the firearms office and send them my specs for the room). I was going to look into it because I'm probably going to be building a house in the next couple years and will probably throw in a secure man cave of sorts.
thx for video
Great videos - but just to clarify - I called the 1 800 731 4000 and they said that even if a pistol is stored in a gun safe (as distinct from a locked box or case) I am still required by law to have a trigger lock on the pistol. Can anyone confirm?
why wouldn't you? It takes less than 10 seconds to unlock and prevents any type of accident that could ever happen
@@Zombiestew7 : Yes or no? Law.
How about 500 magnum
good vid
I hear the electrician
3” screws?…use proper lag screws for this!!
Locking ammo in the same lock box, case ect with your firearm is illegal. Not allowed, no permitted by Canadian law. Not sure why you've deemed this okay and are spreading this misinformation..
Pathetic! I keep 2 loaded guns by my bedside and I carry one mostly every day. And is warm here in FL even in the Winter. It must suck to be from Canada