At this rate that's really the only option he has to avoid spending circa 500k quid on 1 GT3RS... lol. If the crash damage is just cosmetic then he'd probably get a GT3RS for 100 grand or more less than list and then he really scores
I want to watch the video where you go into a Porsche dealer and say “I want to buy a new Taycan today please”, and when they get super excited at the prospect of actually shifting one, you string them along for as long as possible, then just as you are about to sign on the dotted line, you tell them they have to buy your 3 other ‘piles of junk cars” for £150k 😀
Nah, the best would be to wait until the last second, almost signing for the Taycan, and then say, "You know, I'm gonna need a new GT3-RS at sticker to sweeten this deal for the Taycan. I'll buy both at sticker."
Totally agree. Even if I had the money, I wouldn’t spend a dime on unwanted purchases. What a stupid time we live in, late stage capitalism greed at its finest
As much as I love Porsche and aspire to own a 911 one day this behaviour actually puts me off the brand altogether. I'm sure they're not bothered and won't miss me though! 😂😂😂 "I told you before, No one gets a GT3 RS at list" Brilliant! 😂
A 997 or 991 generation 911 still gets you a heck of a car - the 997 still has that Porsche DNA and they are becoming very affordable. Whilst the GT3 of that generation is an exceptional car, the humble Carrera is such a good machine for the money and shouldn’t disappoint
Dang I don't want a GT3 RS, it's an amazing car but not really that good for my specific usability. Like the GT3 RS is good enough to take around a track and drive there, not at all a city car. So one would buy it 1. for it's collectible value or 2. going around track or 3. they just like it. Do these high level allocations apply on models like the Turbo S as well???? That's one of the only cars I'd want from Porsche 🙂
Ambassador and he also was a previous Porsche owner. Albeit not to the extreme described in this series, not even close. But you could argue his exposure is big enough it has brought that much value to Porsche
Of course it gives you preferential treatment. No one should be surprised celebs and influencers get treated differently than anyone else. You’d have to be living under a rock.
Time and time again he proved Porsches worth from the turbo gt to the turbo s to an audience of millions. As the first guy said he definitely gets a skip.
@@MarkMcCann64 I wonder what George would of said at gve in London he seems to get alot of top end stock and flips them as well as his customers when they sell back to him thats what I've seen on his Instagram stories.
Better Performance, what a legend that guy was. Cheers for letting us see Mark in the GT3RS. Also great to see Carl as always with his no nonsense views on the car market.
Mark McCann is a genius. Very entertaining videos. He brings you in, keeps you here, you stay until the end. Hero's journey in a youtube car video. Love it. I'd settle for a bone stock 911 with some expensive extras like a radio and ac, LOL. My dad had two, brand new Porsches 911s when I was a kid, now I'm screwed.
Take a sponsorship from Raid Shadow Legends, then grab a Manscape 'Ball' Shaver, down a Y Food for lunch and you'll not have to worry about paying over list 😇
"no one get's a GT3 RS at list" sums it up so well! If you're taking such a big loss on all these other models you don't want. Why not pay more for someone elses GT3RS?
Only reason most European companies have a hybrid or electric car is because they have to to meet a un emissions cap witch is why the Aston Martin db12 can't have a v12 @@Zach.3246
I keep hearing the "business" word around here. In a business both party wins, if I have to lose 250k just so you can give me a chance to a spot, it is not business, it's a scam.
It’s just supply and demand, there’s too many people and too few cars. They’re “attempting” to be fair by only allowing the top customers to buy the cars, but the only ones who can afford one will likely let them sit in a showroom to appreciate rather than drive them. These cars have just gotten too predictable with how they will hold their value and unfortunately the gt3rs is the most desired car in the world right now so of course it’s impossible to pay sticker for it.
Can't help but chuckle a bit on how these people with more money than brains get scammed into buying a GT3RS. Meanwhile, Porsche also screws over their Taycan owners by putting out as many Taycans on the market, making it probably the most depriciated used car on the market today... If I ever get rich (which I highly doubt), I solemnly swear to never partake in any of these practices.
This is such a disgusting practice. Anyone and everyone who work at Porsche or other companies like this should be treated exactly like this in all hospitals. “Oh you need a heart surgery, you’ll have to prove your loyalty by doing a kidney transplant, 3 brain surgeries and lasik surgery on both your eyes, only after that we will allow you to have a heart surgery”.
Its just business... some people with money have impulse buying habits and business know this. So lets make a limited production of a car that is desirable, and make it so that a 2nd person can sell our cars. Smart but wrong. Blame the people who are buying the cars thinking they are going to get a GT3RS...
But lets be honest, If the manufacturers can get away with it, it means the customer are gullible and okay with it. No one is held at gunpoint or ´needs´ a very specific supercar like your heart surgery example. There are a lot more options for expensive toys or investments. I think the buyers should look in the mirror as well if they are willing to be played like that.
Wow! I feel terrible for all the people who spend millions, and then they cannot buy yet another car. This is a REAL problem, not like those stupid people that cannot afford food or a house.
For real, if they have millions then they could just pay the over fees if they really want it. Seems like they are just tryna make a bag and not trying to enjoy the car. Porsche is right for doing this
Part 1 was mad. This is epic content thank you mark. Keep it up. Also congrats on hitting the 1m views for the last video! Also now ya need to hit 250k subs.
Thank you, me and the team were mind blown by how fast it blew up, we’re getting there then it’s the big million. Thank you for your support enjoy the video
@GenaF hey bud, you can get there. The cars are depreciating quickly, and you absolutely can afford a used one. I am seeing them in the 60s USD already and I think that is going to drop really quickly as the newer generation hits the market this year alongside the electric Macan 😊
Another interesting point for EVs is that manufacturers are so far behind the mandate - towards the back end of the year, they’ll be offering such massive reductions to avoid paying the 15k fine per unit. That the second hand market will crash further for EVs. A complete mess all round.
Happily they are only talking about cars because this has happened in all markets where lease plans and loans are in place. Are you aware of the sheer volume of cars on the roads today that are on finance ! Probably above 70% if not more. And these "poor" people HAVE to keep on buying the new models unless they have the money to afford the leased cars at the end of the lease plan. Very few people have that kind of money lying around and get caught up in the car dealership spiral. The car market has pushed it as far as it will go and is finally falling through. Especially these overpriced "allocated" only "invitational only" things. LOL.
@@Team33Team33 those that can afford to buy themselves out of the PCP/lease market are buying cars for about 5k causing a huge shortage of cars in that price bracket meaning 2k are selling for 5k
Wow! That’s nuts! EV’s have taken a huge hit over the last 6-9 months. As I mentioned in your part 1 video, I wanted to buy GT3rs which is my dream car, I got told I need to buy 2 Macans, a 911 gt3 pre owned, trade that Gt3 into a new 911 that I would spec out and purchase and then trade in the 911 I purchased whenever that GT3rs gets built, delivered and purchased. I ended up buying a new R8.
I can say that is much harder here in Morocco i sold my M5 comp + a 220k $ to buy the Gt3rs but when i arrived in spain to buy it they told me that i can’t and should i buy some Porches but i already had an Panamera S ( in 2017 ) Cayenne turbo S ( in 2019 ) and even i bought my dad a Targa ( in 2022 ) 🤷🏻♂️ So now i lost almost 40$ in my new M5 comp + i regret selling it 💔
And the fact that it’s a mere track focused 911. You can buy a sto, pista or 600lt or whatever. This is just too much for a gt3 rs. It’s gonna be much worse when the 2 rs comes out
to be honest from part 1 i had a feeling that carl knew mark would not get a gt3 rs at list and i love how calm and collected he was throughout the whole search carl seems like such well experienced guy i would actually take his advice when it comes to cars
I'm sure he's generally trustworthy. Just don't forget that he also wants to sell you the GT3RS he's got in his showroom. I'm not saying he's fabricating anything, but he DOES have a financial motivation to promote the fact that you'll never get one at sticker price from a dealer, to lowball the Taycan values, etc.
@@xx-----------xx873 Close...The real solution is to ban the dealership business model. Force them all to convert to vehicle maintenance and delivery centers. But the customer buys directly from the manufacture.
@@xx-----------xx873 "There is no game plan, and the only solution is to not have a built limit, make it so everyone who wants one can get one." Is that a solution though? If they do that, then a GT3RS will be in the same boat as a Taycan. They'll overshoot production, and they will sit on dealer lots unmoved. They'll depreciate by half the moment you drive them off the lot. They'll become a less desirable car, just like a Taycan has.
Honestly I'm surprised they won't just give you one to shut you up. Is this series going to continue? And are you planning on exposing any other shady practices? The way you present and explain it works really well. Great stuff.
Which party cares enough to "shut him up"? Porsche themselves are just manufacturers and will blame the dealer network. The dealer network have always been scum (unless you've never bought a car from a dealership, this isn't exactly breaking news....) and they're just in it to make as much money possible on every single unit. The flippers are always there to take advantage of rich idiots: they've done it with sneakers, they've done it with watches, hell they did it with fucking beanie babies back in the day so they will continue to do it with halo cars. Again for nomies this might be damning new news, but flipping has been a thing for a long time now and no one is going to give this guy a car because he's made some youtube videos whining about it. Im having the same problem with some watches Im trying to buy, but crying about it wont change anything. Either he can jump through hoops for the dealer, or he can buy it with a mark up, or he can just forget about this car; those are the only 3 options.
This isnt "shady" at all. The problem is, as the dude says... Porsche simply cannot let grifters walk into any dealership and pick up a Porsche GT3 RS just for THEM to make an easy 100k. The Porsche brand and dealerships are simply giving away money for free then.
I asked the same question under the previous video: How is any money gained from "overs" tax free? Surely not? All capital gains are taxed in all nations I know, except maybe Monaco.
Newcomer here. Just went through P1. Barely recovering from the hit I took listening to this mess... I'm still at the start of this P2 but this is pure madness. They're making p****s of themselves doing this to customers and enthusiasts and damaging their image as a fantastic and legendary car brand, but unfortunately, it seems money matters more to them. And more unfortunately, speculators and people who just throw their money in the spiral only perpetuate this system don't help eradicate those practices, resulting in good, passionate people suffering from it. It's really sad. I don't have the means to buy such cars so my opinion doesn't mean anything, but if I was a dealer, I'd make sure I help people obtain what they dream a out, and not just pretending to sell them cars and utterly stab them in the back.
Love the intensity Mark approaches and speaks of the problem and issue buying Porsche GT3 RS! I do not know anyone else on TH-cam doin g it! Very intriguing! And congrats earning a reward! Great to watch how pressure has been built ! The problem himself is not less intrigued! (Y) Great stuff!
You just crushed my dreams in a 2 part video. Years of my life dreaming about that day, and I watch about 40 minutes of video and now I am dead inside.
If I wanted a track-focused Porsche, I'd buy a more standard one second hand and take it to a builder. At least then I'd know exactly what I'm getting and I have the builder's support in the future or if I need to do anything else to it. But I'm just a regular guy that could never afford a Porsche of any kind period.
in europe you can walk into a porsche dealership and buy a gt3 rs in the uk it is just a problem because of the right side steering and in the us it is a problem with shipping.
Its the only way they can off-load the inventory - they'd rather you take the loss than them.....just pay the premium on a second hand GT3...simpler with a lot less hassle.
Great insight in both and really good of Carl to give up his time and advice. I'll be going to see him if I'm ever lucky enough to be in the position to buy any such car
Anyone can walk into a Porsche dealership and buy a GT3 RS without throwing money away on assets that will depreciate faster than a snowball in hell, you just have to figure-out how to buy the dealership first (and maybe one or two Volkswagen and Audi spots).
there are two types of porch fans, ones that are dedicated enough to buy 200 cars just to get listed on the "loyal customer list", and those that are dedicated enough to pay over sticker
It's bad that dealerships are scamming people but I can't help but think "oh poor little filthy rich person, who can afford the GT3 RS, come here lil buddy✨"
We think that sort of thing will "get back at them" or "make them regret." But it won't. They won't care one single little bit. It's a waste of a drive.
Its so annoying. You work and make great money and want to go buy the car you want but then they make you jump through hoops just for a chance to get it. Dealerships need to be removed form the equations. If only you could go direct to Porsche.
the thing is that policy is created by porsche and not by dealers I bet dealers would love to sell more GT3 RS cars with great profit but Porsche needs great statistics about selling lots of electric cars so they make dealerships to push the sales anyway possible, fish stinks from the head here....
The dealers are not the problem... They want to sell 100 more GT/RS cars than they're allocated. The problem comes from Porsche themselves. They could ramp up production if they wanted to but won't.
@John_Hoover they couldn't tho its because of the government regulations. They have to sell a certain amount of taycans/fuel efficient cars to then sell a gt3 and its only gonna get worse unless the rules change
@@yota8325 That may be true is some countries but not all, yet it’s still impossible to get one of these things there as well. The easy fix is to make fewer non GT/RS cars to offset the increased production, but then that would collapse the “exclusivity” and crazy demand they’ve generated. And we absolutely cannot have that…
If I had the sort of money you do Mark, I would happily pay over the odds for a GT3. Unreal car to enjoy and will hold the majority of it's value. If they're worth the money, pay the money.👍🏻
The watch world is the same way. Went in to buy a perpetual date chronograph (list price US$170K). They had one available but refused to sell it to me unless I built a relationship with the brand first. Told them to F off and left. Never beg a brand to sell you their crap. I will no wait for the next recession and go buy the watch when companies are desperate to sell their product. Just look at what happened to the G63 AMG market when crypto crashed. Just save your money for when things are in the doldrums and you can get whatever you want. Bought my house in 2010 after the great financial crisis that started in 2008. Got it for a song.
Why? If the market supports it then it would be silly to not be enterprising enough to do so. I think it's the economics and policies that are to blame when flipping is actually profitable. Why not just raise the list price higher so it's no longer profitable to flip the car?
Here's a reward for being so loyal! You get to buy a bunch of cars you don't want and that you'll lose money on, then I give you the chance to overpay me for a car you do want! What a great deal!
I REALLY love this content. Same goes for Ferrari - look at Shmee150 - SF90/296GTB/Puros/Roma - just so he can buy the SF90 XX. But not all brands cardealers is doing this.
Difference it seems Ferrari and their dealers after following him is that their process seems to be much better than Porsche dealers. Plus I think Shmee wasn't aiming for the SF90XX but maybe the SP3 or something else bcuz that car is very expensive.
@740414daan Also Shmee has had a used FF and 2 used GTC4Lusso V12. Shmee did a video in December saying that he buys the Ferrari models because he really likes the experience of driving the Ferrari cars on road trips, daily driving and mentioned that he doesn’t buy Ferrari cars just to get a brand new limited edition car, it’s more the experience of the Ferrari cars on road trips and daily driving.
Also, if someone has already specced their special Ferrari then Ferrari never cancels that order. The same cannot be said about Porsche. Ferrari also doesn't give preferential treatment to customers for a being a celebrity or having a presence on the internet, their strategy is much more clear cut and straightforward - buy their cars and earn your points. If someone buys a XX program car then their owner's points gets a major boost.
Mr Hartley has a very valid point, they already have more taycan stock than buyers, add to that the new model due out imminently has a bigger battery, looks different etc, means these 3 that are already are hard to sell are gonna be near impossible, i still think you can go to porsche HQ in germany and walk in and buy a brand new left hand drive for sticker
Great episode! I thoroughly enjoyed it!!! Really put Carl's statement to the test! Unfortunately he was right. I would love to see more episodes with Carl Hartley, he apparently knows a lot about the car situation
Yea, how does a well known Porsche addict with an old 911 in his garage and host of a show which has like 800000000000000 million subs and views each week get preferential treatment to get his dream car and create lots of content about it... I can't put my finger on it :D
It’s the only reason I am not a Porsche customer, I won’t play childish games…. The arrogance and ignorance of these Porsche staff is unbelievable. ❤ I am currently enjoying and laughing everyday how hard these dealerships are doing and hope in due course a few go to the wall literally, they have deserved every moment of it and it just shows how blackmail does not pay off. It’s not business acumen just blackmail.
I dont wanna sound rude but Tom Hartley offering to buy 3 Taycans from you is more because you guys have some good relationship/friendship with each other. If some normal joe went to him and asked him to buy 3 brand new Porsche Taycans he would probably deny them on the spot.
Great video. I’ve had a nightmare getting Rolex, let alone supercars. Different scenario, but still a pain with their sodding lists. I’ve now given up on them, as I won’t pay over retail.
I hope corporate sees your videos. I love how you’re exposing them. They’re ridiculous! Here in the United States even after you buy so many cars from Porsche you still have to pay a $75,000 markup at least, to be able to buy GT3 RS brand new.
Wow.... main dealership, dare I say, corruption.. this is just unfair on everyone. From the loyal repeat buyers to the, I am working hard and saving up for my dream car people. This is all wrong. Thanks, Mark, for yet another fantastic eye opening vlog. I am having second thought's on my next car being a Porsche now. Are all premium dealerships the same I wonder? Go get them Mark!
Problem for us living in Rhd countries is that you're forced to purchase Lhd models from Dubai, Saudi Arabia and other UAE countries. There's a guy in my street who owns a GTRS3 Porsche in Sydney Australia 🇦🇺 but it's Lhd. He is not complaining because Australia wouldn't allow Lhd cars in at all unless they were considered racing cars or museum pieces.
Change won’t ever happen because there’s too many people that know this and still jump through the hoops just to have the “high” chance of getting the latest and greatest thing. Everyone in the market for these cars knows this very well. They do get to #2 and #3 at some point with some other high end models to keep them appeased; it’s just the game. I luckily don’t mind scrolling the used market for a secondhand low-mile example of the spec I’d choose anyways CPO, and calling it mine (not possible with RS, but is with other brands and examples).
Plan B …. Wait for someone to crash one 🤷♂️😂
An RS on the channel would be insane!
@MatArmstrongbmx 🤣
LMAO
No need to wait already someone has in Spain cadiz
At this rate that's really the only option he has to avoid spending circa 500k quid on 1 GT3RS... lol. If the crash damage is just cosmetic then he'd probably get a GT3RS for 100 grand or more less than list and then he really scores
"I told you before, No one gets a GT3 RS at list" love it
What a way to end the video, so dark 😂
Brutal
That’s a fact.
I love driving my list price gt3 rs round the ring on gt7 😂
Except Mat 😂
This made me so angry I immediately sold my entire Porsche collection. . In Forza.
😂😂😂 nooooo!!
Whoa…. Calm down son
Hahahaha
Its the tiny bits that help. 🤓
Best comment 😂😂
I want to watch the video where you go into a Porsche dealer and say “I want to buy a new Taycan today please”, and when they get super excited at the prospect of actually shifting one, you string them along for as long as possible, then just as you are about to sign on the dotted line, you tell them they have to buy your 3 other ‘piles of junk cars” for £150k 😀
Ahahahaha 😂😂😂 I want this soo baad!
Nah, the best would be to wait until the last second, almost signing for the Taycan, and then say, "You know, I'm gonna need a new GT3-RS at sticker to sweeten this deal for the Taycan. I'll buy both at sticker."
I don't usually comment. But when I do, I agree.
Brilliant!
Reverse Uno Card haha
well produced video, the car market in general makes me sick
The quarter mile legends themselves
Totally agree. Even if I had the money, I wouldn’t spend a dime on unwanted purchases. What a stupid time we live in, late stage capitalism greed at its finest
Just had to go through the process of buying a car, and I agree !! 💯 %
Same in the watch industry
As soon as you said 3 Taycans I was like "For this reason, I'm out" LOL
hey andrei, crazy seeing you here
Haha same!
Yeah dude went from shitting on dealerships to playing their game real quick
Andrei congrats on your VeVe logo 😁
Your broke anyway in the us
Part 1 blew my mind. Ready for Part 2.
It’s gets much worse 😂
You're actually crazy @MarkMcCann64 😂
Waiting for pt3 already! 😊
Welcome to the money worshippers and liars , ... they're everywhere .... The father of liars is satan ....
@@MarkMcCann64 Thanks for video. Showing us world of 1% (No offense to you personally intended) How meglomaniac world it is and greed knows no bounds
“I don’t think there is a more undesirable car at the minute than a Porsche Taycan.” Wow!!
Not sure why that’s a surprise to you?
I'd say at the price that they are. 20k then they are I guess
@@markgt894idk but here in italy the taycan situation isn’t all this bad. you can find a brand new turbo s for €180k so like 150 thousand £
It’s more the problem of what they’re worth once they’ve been driven off the lot.
@@pietrobonfy0619 we’re not talking about Italy
As much as I love Porsche and aspire to own a 911 one day this behaviour actually puts me off the brand altogether. I'm sure they're not bothered and won't miss me though! 😂😂😂 "I told you before, No one gets a GT3 RS at list" Brilliant! 😂
A 997 or 991 generation 911 still gets you a heck of a car - the 997 still has that Porsche DNA and they are becoming very affordable. Whilst the GT3 of that generation is an exceptional car, the humble Carrera is such a good machine for the money and shouldn’t disappoint
It happens in most brands. That's how business works.
Dang I don't want a GT3 RS, it's an amazing car but not really that good for my specific usability. Like the GT3 RS is good enough to take around a track and drive there, not at all a city car. So one would buy it 1. for it's collectible value or 2. going around track or 3. they just like it.
Do these high level allocations apply on models like the Turbo S as well???? That's one of the only cars I'd want from Porsche 🙂
It's actually cheaper to just find someone who already owns one. Hire some "professionals" and have them steal it for you.
🙈
What are you going to do with a stolen car that has only 300 others like it in the world? You didn’t think it through too well 😂
Mat Watson, where are you at 👀😂. Being the right brand ambassador gets you past the list it seems
Ambassador and he also was a previous Porsche owner. Albeit not to the extreme described in this series, not even close. But you could argue his exposure is big enough it has brought that much value to Porsche
Of course it gives you preferential treatment. No one should be surprised celebs and influencers get treated differently than anyone else. You’d have to be living under a rock.
I always wondered
MAT have a lot of influence in car world Porsche not gonna say no to him
Time and time again he proved Porsches worth from the turbo gt to the turbo s to an audience of millions. As the first guy said he definitely gets a skip.
That last sentence “I’ve told you before, no one gets a gt3 rs at list” was the perfect cliffhanger. This feels like an episode of eastenders
I love Carl's knowledge of the business. His Dad and brother are also very astute when it comes to the business.
Carl knows everything about the car market, past, present and even the future haha
I really like Carl, straight up guy.
@@MarkMcCann64 I wonder what George would of said at gve in London he seems to get alot of top end stock and flips them as well as his customers when they sell back to him thats what I've seen on his Instagram stories.
Better Performance, what a legend that guy was. Cheers for letting us see Mark in the GT3RS. Also great to see Carl as always with his no nonsense views on the car market.
Mark McCann is a genius. Very entertaining videos. He brings you in, keeps you here, you stay until the end. Hero's journey in a youtube car video. Love it. I'd settle for a bone stock 911 with some expensive extras like a radio and ac, LOL. My dad had two, brand new Porsches 911s when I was a kid, now I'm screwed.
begging to buy something is outright pathetic
Take a sponsorship from Raid Shadow Legends, then grab a Manscape 'Ball' Shaver, down a Y Food for lunch and you'll not have to worry about paying over list 😇
Don't forget Raycon earbuds and Vessi footwear. Ooh and Revolut bank account. AND an Air-Up bottle!
@@harrisd999 yeah, that’s a GT3 RS & a Urus for sure 👌
Ahh so that’s what you do then for some of your 1:10 cars from wltoys then 😂
"no one get's a GT3 RS at list" sums it up so well! If you're taking such a big loss on all these other models you don't want. Why not pay more for someone elses GT3RS?
Because it's not "Brand New"
Not your own spec is a major bummer
I guess being able to spec your own matters more to some people. Either way this whole thing is pretty scammy
wrong JP (german TH-camr) got one at list
@@Eddybo22no, but some are only a year old with less than a 1000 miles on clock!!
The quality, story telling and content is absolutely amazing. Keep up the great work Mark, really enjoying these videos!
Thumbs up for a part 3! Keep it going Mark, Love it 👍
Not to mention, Porsche needs to sell a certain amount of electric and fuel efficient cars to be able to sell the gas guzzlers per regulation.
Porsche sold that to the dealership and they need to register it after a time. Excel works well for company, not for dealership sometimes.
Yes, this is the real problem withall this
@@theotibblinNo, electric and fuel efficient cars are not the problem here.
Yep definitely contributes to the cost of a gt3. They would be alot cheaper if they didn't have all these stupid rules from governments
Only reason most European companies have a hybrid or electric car is because they have to to meet a un emissions cap witch is why the Aston Martin db12 can't have a v12 @@Zach.3246
“No one gets a gt3 rs at list” immediately Mat Wason pops up on my screen for a carwow ad 😂
I keep hearing the "business" word around here. In a business both party wins, if I have to lose 250k just so you can give me a chance to a spot, it is not business, it's a scam.
I agree with you this is scam
It’s just supply and demand, there’s too many people and too few cars. They’re “attempting” to be fair by only allowing the top customers to buy the cars, but the only ones who can afford one will likely let them sit in a showroom to appreciate rather than drive them. These cars have just gotten too predictable with how they will hold their value and unfortunately the gt3rs is the most desired car in the world right now so of course it’s impossible to pay sticker for it.
@@alexeimikhailov7690 They can simply dedicate more resources to producing the cars that people want. They purposely choose not to do that.
@@alexeimikhailov7690 So what do you think about the idea of producing more of this car?
Just be patient and wait for the next gen of GT3rs coming and these will be price cut immediately just like the previous 991 GT3rs.
Carl calling it straight away with what’s the catch. Absolutely spot on.
Can't help but chuckle a bit on how these people with more money than brains get scammed into buying a GT3RS.
Meanwhile, Porsche also screws over their Taycan owners by putting out as many Taycans on the market, making it probably the most depriciated used car on the market today...
If I ever get rich (which I highly doubt), I solemnly swear to never partake in any of these practices.
I love Carl’s honesty, great guy who says it as it is
This is such a disgusting practice. Anyone and everyone who work at Porsche or other companies like this should be treated exactly like this in all hospitals. “Oh you need a heart surgery, you’ll have to prove your loyalty by doing a kidney transplant, 3 brain surgeries and lasik surgery on both your eyes, only after that we will allow you to have a heart surgery”.
Its just business... some people with money have impulse buying habits and business know this. So lets make a limited production of a car that is desirable, and make it so that a 2nd person can sell our cars. Smart but wrong. Blame the people who are buying the cars thinking they are going to get a GT3RS...
But lets be honest, If the manufacturers can get away with it, it means the customer are gullible and okay with it. No one is held at gunpoint or ´needs´ a very specific supercar like your heart surgery example. There are a lot more options for expensive toys or investments. I think the buyers should look in the mirror as well if they are willing to be played like that.
@@jtab5392if anyone allows any business or person treat them that way no matter how wealthy they are, they are figuratively and literally a loser.
Sounds reasonable 😅
And even then they still don’t guarantee you a spot
‘I told you before. No one gets a GT3RS at list.’
Lol... three £80k cars for £170 each. Nah, Porsche can go screw itself.
Wow! I feel terrible for all the people who spend millions, and then they cannot buy yet another car. This is a REAL problem, not like those stupid people that cannot afford food or a house.
For real, if they have millions then they could just pay the over fees if they really want it. Seems like they are just tryna make a bag and not trying to enjoy the car. Porsche is right for doing this
Part 1 was mad. This is epic content thank you mark. Keep it up. Also congrats on hitting the 1m views for the last video! Also now ya need to hit 250k subs.
Thank you, me and the team were mind blown by how fast it blew up, we’re getting there then it’s the big million. Thank you for your support enjoy the video
I actually love the Taycan. I currently have an electric Mini which I also love but my dream is to afford a Taycan. Sadly it will never happen.
@@GenaF work hard enough and im sure you will he able to get one on finance. Never say never.
@GenaF hey bud, you can get there. The cars are depreciating quickly, and you absolutely can afford a used one. I am seeing them in the 60s USD already and I think that is going to drop really quickly as the newer generation hits the market this year alongside the electric Macan 😊
That will probably change soon, they’re making Maseratis seem like sound financial investments. 3 years and you could probably afford one.
Another interesting point for EVs is that manufacturers are so far behind the mandate - towards the back end of the year, they’ll be offering such massive reductions to avoid paying the 15k fine per unit. That the second hand market will crash further for EVs. A complete mess all round.
Happily they are only talking about cars because this has happened in all markets where lease plans and loans are in place. Are you aware of the sheer volume of cars on the roads today that are on finance ! Probably above 70% if not more.
And these "poor" people HAVE to keep on buying the new models unless they have the money to afford the leased cars at the end of the lease plan. Very few people have that kind of money lying around and get caught up in the car dealership spiral.
The car market has pushed it as far as it will go and is finally falling through. Especially these overpriced "allocated" only "invitational only" things. LOL.
This mandate thing is a complete bs.... unbelievable
@@mesterorange8181 It's aggressive american style marketing at it's best.
@@Team33Team33 those that can afford to buy themselves out of the PCP/lease market are buying cars for about 5k causing a huge shortage of cars in that price bracket meaning 2k are selling for 5k
Chinese EVs are innovative, high quality, and look super cool. These Porsche Taycan are gonna eat dirt
After watching this l have fallen out of love for Porsche ⛳
Plan D - speak to the factory - fly over - find the CEO - speak to him - deal to be done
That's way better
That's quite sensible. Considering Mark is kinda famous, has a lot of money, he can definitely afford to go there
This series is awesome. Thank you for showing us the insight of something every car enthusiasts knows/ suspects already.
Wow! That’s nuts! EV’s have taken a huge hit over the last 6-9 months.
As I mentioned in your part 1 video, I wanted to buy GT3rs which is my dream car, I got told I need to buy 2 Macans, a 911 gt3 pre owned, trade that Gt3 into a new 911 that I would spec out and purchase and then trade in the 911 I purchased whenever that GT3rs gets built, delivered and purchased.
I ended up buying a new R8.
Same here. They gave me a list of garbage that I had to buy. I ended up buying a used Mclaren 600LT
It's not EVs taking a hit - but it looks like Porsche have by using them as bait to hook customers into 'better' cars.
I can say that is much harder here in Morocco i sold my M5 comp + a 220k $ to buy the Gt3rs but when i arrived in spain to buy it they told me that i can’t and should i buy some Porches but i already had an Panamera S ( in 2017 ) Cayenne turbo S ( in 2019 ) and even i bought my dad a Targa ( in 2022 ) 🤷🏻♂️
So now i lost almost 40$ in my new M5 comp + i regret selling it 💔
And yet, after all that, your self worth increased by 0%
I'd keep the gt3 and sell the Macans.
No car is worth taking that financial hit.
Not even a Bugatti Chiron. Well, maybe.
And the fact that it’s a mere track focused 911. You can buy a sto, pista or 600lt or whatever. This is just too much for a gt3 rs. It’s gonna be much worse when the 2 rs comes out
Ppl make more money than you do. May be tough to fathom but people make 50k in a day. And want a gt3rs since they can make the $ back tomorrow.
@@yngvudu no doubt, but taking three cars the dealer can’t sell is a bad deal, regardless of how nice the GT3 is.
Especially when you can just buy one at £100k over from anotrher dealer and have it straight away
Mark's ability to blend humor, insight, and the sheer reality of car ownership never ceases to amaze! 🚗💨
to be honest from part 1 i had a feeling that carl knew mark would not get a gt3 rs at list and i love how calm and collected he was throughout the whole search carl seems like such well experienced guy i would actually take his advice when it comes to cars
I'm sure he's generally trustworthy. Just don't forget that he also wants to sell you the GT3RS he's got in his showroom. I'm not saying he's fabricating anything, but he DOES have a financial motivation to promote the fact that you'll never get one at sticker price from a dealer, to lowball the Taycan values, etc.
@@xtnuser5338 yeah i totally agree
Ouch! Think I'd need to jump through the same hoops for a GT3 Touring build slot?
this is an amazing series Mark - eyes are being opened for LOTS of people, including me
This is killing an entire generation of actual enthusiasts. I still have no idea what the long term game plan is for these dealers.
There is no game plan, and the only solution is to not have a built limit, make it so everyone who wants one can get one.
@@xx-----------xx873 Close...The real solution is to ban the dealership business model. Force them all to convert to vehicle maintenance and delivery centers. But the customer buys directly from the manufacture.
LC 500 is the way to go.
@@aleck156 delete this immediately 😤
@@xx-----------xx873 "There is no game plan, and the only solution is to not have a built limit, make it so everyone who wants one can get one."
Is that a solution though? If they do that, then a GT3RS will be in the same boat as a Taycan. They'll overshoot production, and they will sit on dealer lots unmoved. They'll depreciate by half the moment you drive them off the lot. They'll become a less desirable car, just like a Taycan has.
Honestly I'm surprised they won't just give you one to shut you up. Is this series going to continue? And are you planning on exposing any other shady practices?
The way you present and explain it works really well. Great stuff.
To be fair most of the people who could afford a gt3 probably already know how hard it is to get a allocation
Which party cares enough to "shut him up"? Porsche themselves are just manufacturers and will blame the dealer network. The dealer network have always been scum (unless you've never bought a car from a dealership, this isn't exactly breaking news....) and they're just in it to make as much money possible on every single unit. The flippers are always there to take advantage of rich idiots: they've done it with sneakers, they've done it with watches, hell they did it with fucking beanie babies back in the day so they will continue to do it with halo cars.
Again for nomies this might be damning new news, but flipping has been a thing for a long time now and no one is going to give this guy a car because he's made some youtube videos whining about it. Im having the same problem with some watches Im trying to buy, but crying about it wont change anything. Either he can jump through hoops for the dealer, or he can buy it with a mark up, or he can just forget about this car; those are the only 3 options.
This isnt "shady" at all. The problem is, as the dude says... Porsche simply cannot let grifters walk into any dealership and pick up a Porsche GT3 RS just for THEM to make an easy 100k. The Porsche brand and dealerships are simply giving away money for free then.
@@captain_context9991 1. make more then
2. they sold the cars fast why do they care if people made profit from them
I asked the same question under the previous video: How is any money gained from "overs" tax free? Surely not? All capital gains are taxed in all nations I know, except maybe Monaco.
Newcomer here. Just went through P1. Barely recovering from the hit I took listening to this mess...
I'm still at the start of this P2 but this is pure madness. They're making p****s of themselves doing this to customers and enthusiasts and damaging their image as a fantastic and legendary car brand, but unfortunately, it seems money matters more to them. And more unfortunately, speculators and people who just throw their money in the spiral only perpetuate this system don't help eradicate those practices, resulting in good, passionate people suffering from it. It's really sad.
I don't have the means to buy such cars so my opinion doesn't mean anything, but if I was a dealer, I'd make sure I help people obtain what they dream a out, and not just pretending to sell them cars and utterly stab them in the back.
Love the intensity Mark approaches and speaks of the problem and issue buying Porsche GT3 RS! I do not know anyone else on TH-cam doin g it! Very intriguing! And congrats earning a reward! Great to watch how pressure has been built ! The problem himself is not less intrigued! (Y) Great stuff!
You just crushed my dreams in a 2 part video. Years of my life dreaming about that day, and I watch about 40 minutes of video and now I am dead inside.
Same bro. Really disappointed
Luckily my dream was just the 911 turbo s, but this shady nonsense is to be expected but still a big let down for the image
You really think this is gonna be a thing forever? Not a chance.
If I wanted a track-focused Porsche, I'd buy a more standard one second hand and take it to a builder. At least then I'd know exactly what I'm getting and I have the builder's support in the future or if I need to do anything else to it. But I'm just a regular guy that could never afford a Porsche of any kind period.
Well you could always buy from the gray market if you're willing to pay the price.
This is an amazing view on the reality of owning these vehicles.. cracking content Mark.
in europe you can walk into a porsche dealership and buy a gt3 rs in the uk it is just a problem because of the right side steering and in the us it is a problem with shipping.
Its the only way they can off-load the inventory - they'd rather you take the loss than them.....just pay the premium on a second hand GT3...simpler with a lot less hassle.
I feel something between pity and scorn for those who convinced themselves that a GT3 RS is the only thing missing from their lives.
That kids face at 6.27 🤣🤣🤣 Ace car Mark 👍
an amazing car! seeing one and riving one in the flesh was amazing
@@MarkMcCann64 would have loved to see you go to the Porsche dealership in the GT3 RS
Part 1 was really entertaing. Part 2 is even better.
Great insight in both and really good of Carl to give up his time and advice. I'll be going to see him if I'm ever lucky enough to be in the position to buy any such car
Anyone can walk into a Porsche dealership and buy a GT3 RS without throwing money away on assets that will depreciate faster than a snowball in hell, you just have to figure-out how to buy the dealership first (and maybe one or two Volkswagen and Audi spots).
This editing makes these videos better than any Bourne movie out there.
That ending had me saying "dayum!".😆
What a fascinating topic though!
If you want a tycan go offer the dealer £20k give it a few weeks when they call you back offer them £10k 😂
Great idea for a challenge - how cheap can you get a new Taycan from Porsche! 😂
@@FFVoyager won’t be long before they’re accepting potatoes on part exchange….. 😂
I've got some peanuts I don't want 😂
I'm a bit clueless on this one but are they struggling to shift Taycans?
@@thesaint8400 there are lots of used ones with low mileage. Might have a reason for that now!
Utterly brilliant piece of journalism.....loved this exposé of the murky world of high end brands.
there are two types of porch fans, ones that are dedicated enough to buy 200 cars just to get listed on the "loyal customer list", and those that are dedicated enough to pay over sticker
Love this Carl Hartley guy seems honest with you, telling you like it is
😂😂😂 so no Porche 👀
Imagine paying that much money for a frog looking Volkswagen Beetle 😂
It's bad that dealerships are scamming people but I can't help but think "oh poor little filthy rich person, who can afford the GT3 RS, come here lil buddy✨"
It basically comes down to how much are you willing to pay to spec your own
Idea: Arrive at the dealership in the car they won't let you buy.
brilliant!!!!
Please go through with it😂
And then offer it to them for 100k over list😂
We think that sort of thing will "get back at them" or "make them regret." But it won't. They won't care one single little bit. It's a waste of a drive.
Its so annoying. You work and make great money and want to go buy the car you want but then they make you jump through hoops just for a chance to get it. Dealerships need to be removed form the equations. If only you could go direct to Porsche.
the thing is that policy is created by porsche and not by dealers I bet dealers would love to sell more GT3 RS cars with great profit but Porsche needs great statistics about selling lots of electric cars so they make dealerships to push the sales anyway possible, fish stinks from the head here....
The dealers are not the problem... They want to sell 100 more GT/RS cars than they're allocated. The problem comes from Porsche themselves. They could ramp up production if they wanted to but won't.
@John_Hoover they couldn't tho its because of the government regulations. They have to sell a certain amount of taycans/fuel efficient cars to then sell a gt3 and its only gonna get worse unless the rules change
@@yota8325 That may be true is some countries but not all, yet it’s still impossible to get one of these things there as well.
The easy fix is to make fewer non GT/RS cars to offset the increased production, but then that would collapse the “exclusivity” and crazy demand they’ve generated. And we absolutely cannot have that…
@@filipsokol346the factory is definitely not creating the policy to screw over top clients. That’s all on the dealerships.
- 2 Taycan giweways
- 1 Taycan do a durability test with WD = EZ profit/free gt3RS 😏
I like your thinking strategy. Very efficient
video views of wrecking a Taycan will be more than thier value
@@adampetten1009 You might be onto something here...
If I had the sort of money you do Mark, I would happily pay over the odds for a GT3. Unreal car to enjoy and will hold the majority of it's value. If they're worth the money, pay the money.👍🏻
The watch world is the same way. Went in to buy a perpetual date chronograph (list price US$170K). They had one available but refused to sell it to me unless I built a relationship with the brand first. Told them to F off and left.
Never beg a brand to sell you their crap. I will no wait for the next recession and go buy the watch when companies are desperate to sell their product.
Just look at what happened to the G63 AMG market when crypto crashed. Just save your money for when things are in the doldrums and you can get whatever you want. Bought my house in 2010 after the great financial crisis that started in 2008. Got it for a song.
more videos with Carl Hartley , he was bang on the money .
Yes this bloke is ?????
Car flippers are among the worst kind of people...
Why? If the market supports it then it would be silly to not be enterprising enough to do so. I think it's the economics and policies that are to blame when flipping is actually profitable. Why not just raise the list price higher so it's no longer profitable to flip the car?
Part one made me subscribe
Here's a reward for being so loyal! You get to buy a bunch of cars you don't want and that you'll lose money on, then I give you the chance to overpay me for a car you do want! What a great deal!
Part 1 was nuts now I’m screaming for part 3😂😂😂😂
I don’t feel bad for millionares not being able to buy cars at list price 😂
I REALLY love this content. Same goes for Ferrari - look at Shmee150 - SF90/296GTB/Puros/Roma - just so he can buy the SF90 XX.
But not all brands cardealers is doing this.
Difference it seems Ferrari and their dealers after following him is that their process seems to be much better than Porsche dealers. Plus I think Shmee wasn't aiming for the SF90XX but maybe the SP3 or something else bcuz that car is very expensive.
Ferrari has a clear cut points system unlike Porsche. They are guaranteed a limited series car if they have enough points.
@740414daan Also Shmee has had a used FF and 2 used GTC4Lusso V12. Shmee did a video in December saying that he buys the Ferrari models because he really likes the experience of driving the Ferrari cars on road trips, daily driving and mentioned that he doesn’t buy Ferrari cars just to get a brand new limited edition car, it’s more the experience of the Ferrari cars on road trips and daily driving.
Also, if someone has already specced their special Ferrari then Ferrari never cancels that order. The same cannot be said about Porsche. Ferrari also doesn't give preferential treatment to customers for a being a celebrity or having a presence on the internet, their strategy is much more clear cut and straightforward - buy their cars and earn your points. If someone buys a XX program car then their owner's points gets a major boost.
Mr Hartley has a very valid point, they already have more taycan stock than buyers, add to that the new model due out imminently has a bigger battery, looks different etc, means these 3 that are already are hard to sell are gonna be near impossible, i still think you can go to porsche HQ in germany and walk in and buy a brand new left hand drive for sticker
That’s what I was thinking!
EasyJet to Stuttgart!😉
Great episode! I thoroughly enjoyed it!!! Really put Carl's statement to the test! Unfortunately he was right. I would love to see more episodes with Carl Hartley, he apparently knows a lot about the car situation
Very eye opening. Thank you for doing this and exposing these brands on their BS!
Watching this eating my pancakes 😋
I've just made mine!
So how did Matt Watson of carwow get his GT 3 RS ??? Having no history of buying Porsches from dealers
Cos he’s a knob, sorry but he is IMHO!
No idea maybe its not how much cash you have but who you know ? ? ?
‘Cause he’s a famous TH-camr, obviously.
Yea, how does a well known Porsche addict with an old 911 in his garage and host of a show which has like 800000000000000 million subs and views each week get preferential treatment to get his dream car and create lots of content about it... I can't put my finger on it :D
Loving the channel and content Mark, you do a fantastic job. Look forward to every upload :).
Base model Taycans seem to still fetch 70-80k easily in Germany.. Seems to be a UK issue.
It’s the only reason I am not a Porsche customer, I won’t play childish games…. The arrogance and ignorance of these Porsche staff is unbelievable. ❤ I am currently enjoying and laughing everyday how hard these dealerships are doing and hope in due course a few go to the wall literally, they have deserved every moment of it and it just shows how blackmail does not pay off. It’s not business acumen just blackmail.
2 reasons why the taycan isn't selling
1. No one can find the turbo
2. its electric is sh@t
I dont wanna sound rude but Tom Hartley offering to buy 3 Taycans from you is more because you guys have some good relationship/friendship with each other. If some normal joe went to him and asked him to buy 3 brand new Porsche Taycans he would probably deny them on the spot.
17:11 what a legendary moment i felt that so deeply it should be quoted as famous wise words
GT 3RS is way too overrated..
Great video. I’ve had a nightmare getting Rolex, let alone supercars. Different scenario, but still a pain with their sodding lists. I’ve now given up on them, as I won’t pay over retail.
I hope corporate sees your videos. I love how you’re exposing them. They’re ridiculous! Here in the United States even after you buy so many cars from Porsche you still have to pay a $75,000 markup at least, to be able to buy GT3 RS brand new.
Wow.... main dealership, dare I say, corruption.. this is just unfair on everyone. From the loyal repeat buyers to the, I am working hard and saving up for my dream car people. This is all wrong. Thanks, Mark, for yet another fantastic eye opening vlog. I am having second thought's on my next car being a Porsche now. Are all premium dealerships the same I wonder?
Go get them Mark!
Jay leno was the first person I ever heard talk about this. It's unreal. Great Video Fella well done.
He only said about Ferrari and was praising Porsche in his interview, how they delivered his Carrera GT and all.
You can easily buy one in Dubai with no "invitation" BS. Of course, you have to have the money to be able to afford it. Good video!
Problem for us living in Rhd countries is that you're forced to purchase Lhd models from Dubai, Saudi Arabia and other UAE countries.
There's a guy in my street who owns a GTRS3 Porsche in Sydney Australia 🇦🇺 but it's Lhd. He is not complaining because Australia wouldn't allow Lhd cars in at all unless they were considered racing cars or museum pieces.
Not only that with the batteries, even an older 2008 Cayenne S.... Fuel pump from Porsche is A$3,700 for an exchange rebuilt one
Mark Macann you are now promoted to Detective ! You deserve it. Good stuff keep it up. It's no batter then politics 😂.
this reminds me of the graphics card shortage a few years ago when companies would make you buy the graphics card bundled with random stuff.
3 Taycans. So thats how Porsche is selling their EV's that NOBODY wants.
Change won’t ever happen because there’s too many people that know this and still jump through the hoops just to have the “high” chance of getting the latest and greatest thing. Everyone in the market for these cars knows this very well. They do get to #2 and #3 at some point with some other high end models to keep them appeased; it’s just the game. I luckily don’t mind scrolling the used market for a secondhand low-mile example of the spec I’d choose anyways CPO, and calling it mine (not possible with RS, but is with other brands and examples).
nice lil couple of videos, very informative imo!