Starting a Gypsy Family at 16 | My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding | FULL EPISODE | OMG
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- For generations traveler celebrations have been a family affair. Though the traditional way of life has declined in recent years, the large tight-knit family unit still lies at the heart of the traveler community.
In this episode we meet the Mcfadyens, a large Irish traveler family in the midst of a series of celebrations. The family is excited about the release of their father Chris from prison, who they plan to pick up in a stretch limousine.
We catch up with Josie Mcfadyen and her husband Swanley who first appeared in the last series, when Josie waded down the aisle in her enormous front-split wedding dress.
Recently convicted Josie is planning the Christening of her 6 month old daughter, but still finds the time to decorate her electronic tag with bling.
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'Controversial courtship technique' also known as sexual assault.
Gotta love euphemism
Someone needs to teach these poor girls in this community a little something called self defense. If any man tried to grab me the way these creepy boys did, they'd be looking at a black eye, broken penis and missing teeth after I'm through with them.
Exactly
But …………… it’s tradition
@@anthonyjohnson6973 Ohhh I didn't know.. carry on then 😳😳😳😂😂😂
Throws a dog in the river, dangles the baby upside down by her feet, has a tattoo of Cheyenne's name, and does an unlicensed boxing match against someone twice his age? AND says he can grow and mold Cheyenne into the girl he wants and she'll be perfect by 20? This boy is a walking red flag
I couldn't agree more
Unsurprising to find out he later went to prison for a violent crime, right?
They are actually happily married 4 children 10 years later They were babies when they did this documentary and young people do stupid things often I am sure we can all relate
I never dangled a baby upside down ,threw animals in lakes or anything like that when I was younger.Not an excuse.
He needs a good beating and sent to prison! Cheyannes dad should never have let her marry him..literally ruined his already grieving and heart broken little girl,and she is just that 16 is still a child.
Honestly, I try to stay open minded watching these. But my God this dumpster fire of assult, disrespect, animal abuse, neglect, child abuse and sexism is physically sickening. Wow he constantly pushes her boundaries and not respecting her
Also they really shouldn't be using hot irons on that little girl's hair, though I guess the other crazy stuff makes that seem unimportant in perspective
It amazes me how people have been brainwashed into thinking that you have to be accepting of other people's "cultural norms" in order to be considered open minded and accepting, when if a random citizen of a country did those same things, he/she would be in jail/lose custody of the children/be obligated to pay a huge fine and be accused of being a straight up horrible person.
Not to mention the domestic abuse
Exactly.💔
@@BigPotatoStuffedWithPotatoes tbh that's the least egregious part. My mom would straighten my hair for me in elementary school because I liked it straight even if she did occasionally burn me lol
Imagine marrying the person that was assaulting you. Those beautiful girls don't stand a chance. 😭
I know I felt so sad throughout this whole thing I feel like I just watched a sad movie 😢
Heart dropped when she said there’s not much a woman can do but tryna get them off & live w it
And then what he did to her dog as well! Major red flags!!!
@@michelewilliams5131 I have never forgotten the way he threw her dog into the river when this was first aired 10 years ago. I would have ran for the hills then. He comes from a very abusive and violent family.
@@ShayAlly it’s sad how true it is aswell.
The fact he threw the dog in the river would have finished it for me..not a nice guy at all..then I read he did prison time for beating up a partially blind woman!! How people treat animals tells you what they're like with people..
Exactly
Heartbreaking that she married Him. She was grieving.
Poor dear
They don’t really have a choice to back out
When he said he was going to mold her, I thought, he probably thinks he can hit her if she doesn't obey. I'm sure he learned this wise wisdom from his father.
It’s odd, because in a different episode she said she wanted a man taht treated her with respect and didn’t beat her. And this guy was harassing her at his sisters wedding and she said “we just have to deal with it”. I really wished she had gotten out 😢
this is so sick and sad. i understand that i’ll never understand because i’m not a part of it, but omg, these girls deserve SO MUCH better.
This is not how real gypsys live there life I promise you that.This is just a fake tv show that want the real gypsy lifestyle to look bad to non gypsys who dont know how they really live there lives they are very private people who would never put there self in a tv show
Agreeed!!!
So sad….
no...sadly they don't. they choose this, it's pathetic
What, like being brainwashed by feminism and turning to Only fans
What did it for me is when she said her “dad owns her, and now he’s gotta give her to someone else to own her” wtf, baby girl NO ONE OWNS YOU!!!
Yeah, because the women who go out clubbing every night and cheat on their boyfriends are doing so much better than these girls who get married young and have big families to stay loyal to 😂
Your ideals don't mean shit with other cultures.
Her daddy dose them when she got married he gave her away so now he owns her (why is it so hard to understand 😂)
@@Nah_bron We perfectly understand what it means: women are considered objects that belong to men. That's exactly what's wrong.
Because country women aren’t property. Why is it so hard to understand?
@@bod9193 yah ik ye aren’t but it’s very normal to us
'Grabbing' being described as an 'unconventional courtship technique' is infuriating. Call it what it is: Sexual assault.
Your ideals don't mean shit in other cultures. What's a trauma for *YOU* is simply a way to stick up for yourself for another. Also, did he ever force the kiss in the end? No, he commented how he didn't get the kiss... Tell me you never had boys joke around with you while you were young without telling me 😅
I've been pretty my whole life. I had boys scooping me up and putting me against the wall to ask for a kiss multiple times in my later teen years... Not a trauma. It was playful fun. Stop trying to make everyone victims.
@@RedDeadLore fair enough but I think it’s because he pinned her to the wall and we didn’t see him ask for consent
It’s not a sexual assault it’s a simple kiss not that bad tbh
@RedDelore Actually, hun, they do. There’s something called ‘the law’. You have to abide by it as much as anyone else.
Ladies and gentleman, animal abuse within the first 4 minutes of this "documentary". Solid. Also, a direct quote from Josie after spending her freaking HONEYMOON traveling.... "I am kind of getting used to it now, I'm not breaking down or crying everyday, like I'm passed all them stages". Truly a 17 year old girls fairy tale right there.
The girls cry being away from family its normal they haven't ever left family and all off a sudden away for months
@@jamie-leighgibson2338 right lol my sister moved out in her mid 20’s and cried so it has nothing to do with being young
Thank you for telling me, I dont want to see that.
@@cnrblog2660 exactly everyone reacts different im not from a traveller family but moved out with partner at 16 loved it now in my 20s and miss being home now since its been so long
It’s a reality show not a documentary
He brought….souvenirs….from prison…like he was away on a business trip in the Bahamas or something. This is absolutely unreal.
Hilarious 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Literally that what I was thinking like bro has life so easy 😂😂
Not to mention the fact he's probably on parole- assuming this bcz he's only done half his sentence- & then proceeds to pop the cork on a bottle of champagne three minutes after he gets out.
As far as I'm aware parole means he isn't allowed to be drinking alcohol.
Love the pure irony that Josie says her daughter won't be growing up with dirty language at 4:42 only to hear Josie's sibling call baby Josie a b***** at 6:46.
I caught that, too. 🤦🏼♀️
Lol
Caught that as well.
I noticed that.
or "it doesn't matter if you get married in a shithole, it's all about the dress"
“We’re very religious” and then they are half dressed, cursing, getting arrested for assault, drinking, smoking… 🧐
Yup. Lack of education also plays a big part.
For sure. These are some of the most un-Christ-like Christians I've ever seen.
@@IraG0427 how do you think formal education, which they do not engage in, is going to change over 30 generations of social conditioning?
We’re gypsys dats why u got a problem wit de way we dress and act so what if we do ta stuff we’re religious at de end of thu day
@@Scarlettx0x You can do what you want, say what you want, live how you want, it’s your choice. But religion doesn’t save, Jesus does. No one “good” or religious gets into heaven, only those who repent and believe on Jesus for their salvation!
She claims he treats his mom so great, but he’s cruel to an innocent dog. 🤬
Yeah, you can always judge a person by how they treat animals. Pretty disgusting much!!
Yep, I thought that also. Some AH did that to my wee dog in a very cold rapid river when I was a kid. I went fucking berserk. That boy is going to physically abuse her for sure. I have no doubts about that.
He's a pig
@@janececelia7448 your so right she's in for trouble with him.
That girl in the white pantsuit needed a shirt poor thing!
Everyone is talking about the dog but no one is talking about how he was holding the baby by her leg, upside down in the church
Because the dog was view first.
She chose to be with him abusing a poor animal and a poor baby.
omg yes! like what the actual f
Because most people are crappy and care more about animals than children.
Exactly this weirdos@@melindaroop1346
What baby
I find the concept of owning a woman difficult.. to see these young women happily talking about being owned it doesn't sit right. I get their point about teens getting pregnant outside marriage etc but two wrongs don't make a right..
Oh and giving your daughter a Bible you've just stolen is just straight up hilarious 🙄🤣
THE bible IS given by the prison chaplain for him to keep
they are raised to believe that's all there is to life, its heartbreaking
@@kerryalfaro9437 sorry I didn't realize that and shouldn't have assumed, thanks
Yeah I had trouble watching after that
It's not that hard, up to 100 years ago in the UK you could tie a rope around your wife's waist, take her down to the market and sell her like a horse or a cow.
The legal age for marriage should be 18. You can't sign any other type of contract before then. Give the poor girls a chance.
To be fair most travellers don't get legally married, they just find a church that accepts to do it. Most travellers believe in the talion and clan laws, not official government
in many countries the legal age is 16, but they need the parents consent to the marriage if the bride and/or the groom is under 18.
The legal age is 18 but if you do it before then you need your parents' permission which is the case for all these girls getting married. Their parents are signing the necessary documents giving consent to the marriage.
Fortunately now in England and Wales you cant get married until your 18 regardless of parental consent………… so sad these girls think a man owns them
I just want to scoop Cheyenne up in a hug and tell her I'll be there for her and everything will be okay. The absolute tragedy and disgrace of this 16 year old having to deal with such a collection of manipulators and abusers and having no mother to help her through it. My heart breaks for her 💔
She is by far my most favourite. Polite, respectful, mature - she deserved far better than that abusive POS she ended up marrying.
They are still married with 4 kids
Soooo… apparently, the dad, Chris McFadyen, went to prison for taking a woman prisoner in a car and beating her up, because of a family feud of some sort - which explains the ankle tag his daughter had to wear. A press article states that he “lunged at Miss Casey through the open window of her sister’s Mini Cooper. McFadyen and four others, including his wife, surrounded the vehicle before the father of nine punched his victim in the face, leaving her with a bruised face and chipped teeth.”
The mother, Josie Doherty, 2 of the daughters (Josie and Barbara McFadyen) and one of the sons (Isaac McFadyen) and a cousin of theirs (Charlie Collins) were back in the dock in 2019 for allegedly “attacking a partially blind pregnant woman and her eight-month pregnant sister in a mass brawl at a nail bar. According to the hearing at Kingston Crown Court, some of the attackers stamped on Margaret's head and stomach while one allegedly shouted: "Go on kick the baby out of her".”
Later in 2019, sons Isaac and John McFadyen (Cheyenne’s teen-grabbing, dog-throwing, women-molding husband) were jailed with their gang of 12 thugs for various offenses, including were sentenced for offences including “conspiracy to rob, conspiracy to burgle, conspiracy to steal, criminal damage and handling stolen goods. The gang first came to the police’s attention on 31 December 2017 when they carried out a ram raid on the high-end outdoor clothing company Altimus in Kensington High Street using a stolen Range Rover and several mopeds.” “"They terrified their victims during a number of calculated and violent ordeals”.
In particular, John and Isaac McFadyen, became infamously known for “trying to snatch a toddler from his mum with 2 other gang members during an attempted robbery caught by CCTV cameras in 2018. John grabbed her arm hard enough to leave bruises and told her: “Give me your rings. I’m going to hurt your child and take him away.” Footage shows the “terrified” woman dragging her child into the road before builders chased the gang away, brandishing scaffolding poles.”The crime was shared widely on social media.
Well well well, how charming and endearing. Truly aspirational.
That is absolutely disgusting. Talk about a trash family
YIKES!!!!
They wonder why they get treated like shit in jail always fighting a woman gypsies are bitches
If that’s how he’s treating strangers so confidently, imagine how he’s treating his poor wife behind closed doors
@lindamiscandlon6746 hey now dont speak for everyone. .most gipsy people all over the world are normal what ever nirmal is. These are literary a MINORITY. Not good beautiful very family oriented people that don't live in trailers and are educated and have normal jobs just like everyone else those from the show are a minority. .plus dont forget thats a tv show they blow it all out for sensationalism
Cheyanne is a very strong young woman. She held up so well without her mom. I hope that who she is won't get lost in her chosen lifestyle. She got aces in my book for her wedding!!
@Late 30’s classics her choice, wasn’t forced on her ,and they’re still together ten years on with four kids, so what’s the issue? Respect other peoples cultures!!
@Late 30’s classics she’s not a child tho . Where I live she’s old enough to vote, drive, join the army, leave home, and get married so I fail to see how she’s a child . We were constantly told at that age at school we are now young adults. Romany, and travellers do things differently one of the main reasons being they have a much lower life expectancy than gorjas, especially the men . This is why many of them marry so young . They’re prepped for it all their life it’s insulting to be calling her a child . Especially after everything that young lady went through she is exceptionally mature. It’s not covered in this episode but if you dig more into her life you’ll find interviews and the like. She’s always impressed me and many others
@Late 30’s classicsI live in the Isle of Man we obviously have different laws cos 16 year olds have been able to vote for at least ten years now
@Late 30’s classics ok fair enough, I forget the laws can be so different even tho it’s only a twenty minute flight away . People seem horrified that 16 year olds can do so much here bar drink in pubs obviously. The voting thing was bought in because of voting apathy tbh, Scotland or the Channel Islands or both were on about doing this as well not long back due to apathy
@Late 30’s classics no that’s the only one they can’t do, like it stops teens anyway lol, oh and I think ciggies is 18 now it was 16 when I was in my twenties . I don’t drink myself and I’ve not a clue how anyone can afford to get rotten in this day and age, let alone kids . It’s over five quid a pint here . That being said even under uk law a five year old can drink there’s some caveat like it has to be at home or if it’s in a restaurant must be accompanied with a parent and a meal must be consumed . My dad was strict with us and drink, but my cousins were raised in Belgium and Steven my elder cousin told me he’s only ever been drunk once cos the attitude to kids and drink there is hugely different . Being drunk isn’t cool whereas having a glass of wine with a meal is civilised to Belgians
So, he grabs her and clearly wasn't phased by her boundaries, and then throws her dog in the river? How does he treat his mom? Does he torture her pets too? This poor girl doesn't even see it! 💔
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She does, but their culture forces them to be together, also the guy might be threatening her to marry him so there’s that
No but the boys are all the same and she knows they all get a pass. So no use fighting she figures. It’s just how it is
@@soniarose1983 I guess if you're talking specifically about this "gypsy" culture. This show paints gypsies in a terrible light. My mother's side descended from Romas that immigrated to the US and many of the old ways definitely were passed down. As a toddler you're cooking and cleaning 24/7, and everything you do is about "finding a husband". Boys don't have curfews but girls are very spoiled and doted on. When I'd visit for the summer I had to have an uncle or cousin with me at all times and my aunt would "chaperone" any phone calls from boys. But the abuse you see in these shows absolutely was not tolerated. Every man in the girl's family would show up for a visit.
so is no one gonna talk about the sexual assault and animal cruelty?😦
The last 20 seconds a girl is begging a guy to get off her and he replies with “ shhh I’m talking” heartbreaking that they did nothing about it
The production crew are not there to intervene. They are there to document. Now think this through, would you want to interfere with a tense social confrontation between a bare Knuckle boxer and his woman? Think of the consequences...
It's truly disgusting and horrible
@@anthonyhassett hey, the camera people have their equipment and stuff to clobber some so called bare knuckled fighter with. Half these "fighters" are all bark, no bite.
They really played down that Josie attacked a partially blind and pregnant woman. Later, both John and Isaac went to prison for mugging a woman and threatening her toddler
I didn’t know that John and Isaac went to prison wow
Pure scumbags!
How do you know??
@@megmurphy6847 google his name and it’ll come up, he’s a horrible and nasty man.
@Meg Murphy it was in the news when it happened because it was amanda holdens neighbour, and she spoke about it on TV
Cheyenne is alot more mature than John.
Smashing cake in her face just proved it. He said he plans on "molding" her over time until she's "perfect".
Hopefully he's grown up since then and she hasn't regretted marrying him.
He’s in jail from what I found
@@kathrynchristian2651 I read that he's a dad to four kiddies now.
He needs to grow up and set a good example for them.
I have cheese in my fridge with mold that is more mature than him. It's not going happen any time soon
Weeeeell… don’t Google Chris, John, Isaac, Barbara or Josie (Josephine) McFadyen then, or you’ll be in for bitter disappointment. I don’t know about the rest of the McFadyen family, but these sure know where to find trouble !
So what would you say to all the 30 and forty year olds who smash cake into their loved one's faces at their weddings?
It was nice that Barbara dad asked her if she wanted to get married.
Josie & Swanley are divorced. Marriage barely lasted 2 years. Also, Josie's immediate younger sister got divorced too!
How do you know this? What about Cheyenne?
@@unknownuser_99cheyanne and him are still married but he tried to kidnap some ones toddler
@@rebeccat6825 What?! Why?
What happened to Josie's other baby? She was pregnant with twins. One boy and one girl. What happened? The shoe doesn't say anything about it.
The way the LITTLE GIRLS are already dancing is disgusting!
In one of the shots the little girl had a (unlit) cigarette to her mouth. The way they have them dress and dance and act just don’t sit ok with me. It’s disturbing. Idc what other people do normally but they are sexualizing little girls and act like it’s totally ok. So many screwed up things on this show
@jamiesims7758 I couldn't believe the little girl had a cigarette in her mouth , they were propping the newborn up with a air rifle as well. My jaw drops watching this.
@@jamiesims7758 a lil girl said "come on bitch" to the baby at the beginning.
Love at first assault 😭😭😭
The fact he said he wanted to grow her mold her how he wants her to be by the time she's 20, she will be perfect. What is she an object, a piece of clay? How is this husband material?
Wow.. and then they wonder why people look down on their outdated “culture”.
Can’t really call an abusive relationship a culture…
Cheyenne is the only girl on all of these shows. Who don't look like a tired feed up old housewife. She still has her youth. Her mother passing is sad. Ownership of another human. NOOO! These are babies having babies and marrying. The whole grabbing tradition or whatever. Has always been creepy and gross. It is borderline s**ual harassment if not there already. The other girl father is going to prison. This is not something that just happened. He didn't fall and trip. No it wasn't a horrible crime. He is a grown man with a ton of kids who made a choice. I hope the next time he thinks about his kids. His child has to wear a ankle monitor. The double standards that the males can do whatever and the females have to remain a certain way is not okay.
ANIMAL ABUSE!!!! She said she liked the way he treated his Mom, yet he threw her Poor and innocent dog into the dirty shallow water..That makes me SICK
Surprise surprise he went to jail for assaulting a partially blind, pregnant woman
Your comment makes me laugh 😂
Dogs are drawn to the most disgusting things possible to eat... even if they have better options...
My dog and my brother's dog got into a seriously vicious fight over a fresh, steaming cowflop left behind by some neighborhood cow who was roaming around and got on my mother's driveway.
I thought they were going to kill each other over who got it.
Neither one of them were lacking great food - they just really wanted that fresh, steaming pile of cowflop.
Dogs know how to swim, they love water. They don't care about stinky things, in fact they love stinky things 😂
@@monkeynumbernine you're an idiot.
@@monkeynumbernine Animals are more important than humans. Animal rights will take over human rights after old times generations are gone.
Awe, poor dog went for a swim and was perfectly fine. One of the issues in this world is because people put animals above humans and act like they are so offended by getting to play in the water. If only all the poor and orphans were cared for, and fought for like all those poor animals, right?!
In this culture family is everything. To lose her mom at such a young age😢 I really felt for her and am so impressed by her positive attitude and strength. Wishes towards a happy marriage!!!
In every culture family is everything tho
@@queennzinga5988a1qq
@@queennzinga5988not true they have no one else bar family
Cheyanne is outstanding. What a noble composure this young girl has. Its unbelievable. I truly wish she got rid of him in the meantime, whichever way, and shes living her best life. ❤
Their dancing gets me every time! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tell me about it…it’s like they copped 40,000 volts 😂😂
It's definitely interesting 🤣🤣
And when they put it in slow mo 🤣🤣🤣
It's the "Spanish look" apparently like pineapples and cats come from Spain.
@@tekiuroti8455 should put it do a techno dance beat or Irish techno music "dance to Tipperary"
she is justifying the assault claiming that no boys want to be seen as a failure in their friends' eyes and she basically gaslighted herself into believing this to the point she even said it was thr best thing that could happen. I'm really shocked and sorry for this girl, I hope she will realize what respect, actual love and care really means, and I hope the boy learns to take no as an answer and that he can't have anything he wants
They won't learn this.
There’s something so elegant about Cheyenne.. she has quite strength confidence that makes her soft but commanding at the same time.
She is seems very mature and classy.
All the best!
Are you referring to the girl that watched as her dog who can’t swim was thrown in the pool ?
I would have been in the lake after the dog and not walking away with him hand in hand!
To me she sounded resigned with life, resigned to marrying the guy who AS-ed her. She didn't sound excited to be marrying the man of her dreams. Poor girl. She's only 15, lost her mum and now is planning her wedding to the guy with lots of red flags. He was HOLDING BABY UPSIDE DOWN!
When the woman asked Cheyenne,who is clearly trying her best to get through the day without her beloved mother - "what would she be doing if she was here now?" WAS NOTHING BUT CRUEL. How the fuck you ask a young girl that on her wedding day? I would have lost it.
Yeah but the TV crew don't care they want to make "good television"!
i know, just awful
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that. They really just asked such an emotionally charged and tear-inducing question as she was getting her EYE MAKEUP done at all times 🤦🏻♀️
He said he wants to mould her into the woman he wants by the time she is 20 !!.. that is an awful statement to make about the person you are marrying..all about dominance from the grabbing to the marriage..
I love how Cheyanne thanked the driver, a classy young lady.
Well, I think she is a few millennia from being deemed"classy".
My heart goes out to Cheyanne. I know how it feels as I lost my mom to cancer too. She is a very strong young lady and I'm sure she will be ok with the Lord's help.
Sorry for your loss Pamela Pope
Child she 16
Forget that she's gonna need an attorney and a restraining order.
Am I the only one really surpised, how old these girls look? Despite of their strange style, they look at least 5-10 years older, than they are. My daughter is 15, you can't compare...
It's hard to beleive that Cheyenne was only 15/16 when this was being filmed.
She is such a lady.
I'm sure her Mam was with her every step of the way, on her wedding day ❤️
You’re a ducking weirdo she’s a child
Has no one mentioned how that poor baby was constantly crying, in every scene it was in and just looked so ignored 😭
When she nearly got its foot with the door aswell my heart stopped for a second don't think she even knows where it is half the time NOT TO MENTION him holding the baby upside down at the christening
ikr. I thought no one is gonna mention the child nelect here
When Cheyenne and John went to put the bouquet on her Mums grave… I lost it. 😔 so sad for her to not have her Mum there. I wish them well ❤
Also, did anyone else notice that Cheyenne looks JUST LIKE John’s mum Josie Sr? Spitting image! They say boys look for a bit of their mum in a wife and she’s her miniature 😅
I def did and was saying the same thing. But you know what they say... every boy marries his mom!
Yes,yes,yes his mom could be her mom easily
definitely noticed the resemblance! they must be related!
First episode ı watched thought his mom was her mom. They might be related
NOT TRUE lol.
When the 6 year old said in to the camera "it dont matter if you get married in a shit hole,its the dress!". Lmao.
That literally subs up the whole culture,tradition and priorities of these people in the best way in such few words. Poetic really...EDNTT EHTTT?!
This video really shows you how wild these travellers are. It is crazy. Unlicensed boxing against a guy twice your age, married at 16, the kid drinking in the limo at like the age of 9, sexual assault being so normalised... It's as if they were living in the medieval era. If anything Im astounded and amazed at these traditions.
The girls are raised to look forward to their wedding dress. It’s the ONLY thing they have! After that, it’s a life of cleaning, cooking, taking care of your husband and having babies while he does as he pleases. But she got a huge oversized, ridiculous wedding gown that she couldn’t walk gracefully in because it was too heavy! That’s it! Her life is done!
Why do they look so happy? They do. They have each other.
The Irish Traveller women are so beautiful. Fine & delicate features with big smiles.
He brought gifts like he just came home from vacation. Then again with so many people living under 1 roof, it probably did feel like a vacation.
Where did he buy those gifts tho
I am so sorry for your loss, Cheyanne. I’m sure it’s very challenging planning your wedding without your mom but you are right, she’s with you even if you can’t see her. Best wishes.
bro it happened 11 years ago...
I have a mother but I’m planning my wedding myself lol
John threw her dog in the water! He's cruel and not worthy.
I was just thinking the same thing
I’m sorry but that was so cute:
“Why are you happy?”
“Because there’s gonna be a wedding and I can get more cake.”
would love to have an update of all these girls 11years after their weddings. Love the closeness of the traveling community.
Half of them are divorced and some have even left the travel community. It was bound to happen. I left when I was 21, unmarried with a toddler and half of my traveller friends have also left. There's really no place for the old ways in this day and age but it hasn't completely died out tho, the older gen are still hanging on by thread!!
Happy for you Allannah. I just can't imagine marrying the idiot I was with when I was 15-16. If you know Violet Anne, she was one of the oldest to get married in her early 20's. Larry I believe was her husband's name.
Domestic violence, washing a caravan every day, cheating husband, loads of kids, over weight, eldest child looking after all their youngest children as they are "teaching them how to be stay at home breeders and caravan cleaners/ home cleaners", the male children fighting each other, swearing and being taught that women are their property that they can do what they want with etc etc
The "closeness" comes from young girls being bored beyond tears cleaning and cooking from 11 yrs onwards so they look towards the future - a big wedding and then leaving their parents to have loads of kids of their own and repeat the same life they couldn't wait to leave.
The girls are told that you can never leave your husband no matter how bad and what he does to them or anyone else as they will be alone forever and being that they have barely any education and have never worked nor had to provide for their family in their life so they are scared to lose their husband so they stay - the men know this so they cheat and beat them cos they know they can get away with it. Travellers have an incredibly high domestic violence rate.
I do think things are slowly changing but it needs to end, this is no way of life for any woman!
@@amiedavis5257 I loved violet Anne and would love to know If she's still married. She didn't seem happy at all
John & Cheyenne are still married with 4 kids!
The way he treated the dog. People like that don’t deserve oxygen
Cheyenne is such a beautiful and sweet but broken girl. I hate that she's marrying such a Twat. I hope she finds her worth soon enough.
He didn’t sit right w me when he grabbed her and she said “just deal w it” But I was confirmed he is horrible after he launched that dog like a bottle rocket. He’s a cage fighter he should be more disciplined as he is dangerous to society. I hope she’s okay you can tell she’s a sweet girl.
The abuse is horrible. These poor young women.
Your profile pic, tells me everything I need to know about you.
Gypsyphobe
@@cryingbananajoso does yours
@@Nina-rn6pc yes I love banana jo.
Such beautiful young women. I admire Cheyanne. She is strong. It is not easy to lose a mother at her age, any age. I hope that her marriage and life have been happy. ❤❤
being a radiology student and hearing him say “its definitely fractured, it might be broken” made me lol
I'm not even a doctor in any measure but same lol
Trauma RN here- thought the same thing! Must have Xray vision..
A lot of people don't realise that fractured and broken mean the same thing
They're dressed like whores, and married off as children. 😢😮 travel away. Gross
This is the most fuck up thing I have seen in a long time
Cheyenne I’m so sorry for your loss 🌸 prayers and love to you and your family
I dont care how someone treats their mum if they treat a innocent dog that way they dont deserve anyone! So disgusting.
They are one of a small amount of couples that have stayed together all these years on and they now have 3 or 4 children. The majority from this show are now divorced like Josie and her husband Swanley. I was surprised because travellers don't tend to divorce unless it's serious like severe physical abuse etc because they take their vows very seriously but so many of those from here are divorced xxxx
Is Violet Anne still with Larry?
Wow, I thought divorces were very rare among this community as well. Huh. I wonder what’s changed? Any ideas-particularly from the Traveller Community?
@@tundrawomansays694 The men are allowed to beat their wives in that culture. I wouldn't be a part of that culture if they paid me!
@@amiedavis5257 I honestly don't know about them. With that one what concerned me was when her mam said if she came home she would be kicked straight back out and home to him and me made to try and make it work. I hope that depends on the situation. I know if that was me and my mam and I left my fiance, she would talk to me and ask if it was salvageable but she wouldn't ever force me to go back xxx
@@tundrawomansays694Even in these traditional communities times change. Good on them for leaving what are probably awful relationships.
Sorry but if you throw my dog...that's a fight idc. I do not play about my animals.
i feel so sorry for this and other girls like her ... grabbing is assault and thinking you have owner ship over a woman is beyond crazy.
This was the case in this planet everywhere until not long ago....a little over a hundred years has passed
This family is not a good family at all. Most of them have committed horrible crimes.
The Family closeness of those family is often seen in a romanticized way. As long as you play along by the rules set by the clans, everything is fine, but the moment you deviate...not so much. And the fact how they treat animals or even their own women...let's not even begin. Everything that does not have two legs and a penis is pray or property.
This clan mentality and no regard for rules that the rest of society follows, leads to mafia like situations which often end in crime and aggression and violence against anything that is deemed out of order or against "the family".
How so many in those documentaries can sit there with a straight face talking about manners and honor, while beating each other up, "snatching" underage girls to marry them and dress like half naked table dancers when going into a church is beyond me.
Just imagine being a girl not wanting to marry someone out of the community, or not marrying under the age of 25. Imagine being gay in this "family" structures. Imagine feeling like getting a stable job...or as women: wanting to study.
You would either be silenced and beat into submission or loose your whole family and you would need to live far away in order to not get pestered.
This kind of clan mentality is not romantic in any form. It's brainwashing, dehumanizing, s3xualisation and grooming of minors, misogynistic , and toxic. The inner rules they have to follow are stricter than anything the society they despise so much, demands from their citizens. How brainwashed into submission mus a women be to think that is what it takes to have a happy family?
These girls are hyper-sexualized almost from the day they are born. Their entire designated purpose in this community is to attract a guy, get married, and have babies in order to keep the community going. And the sooner a girl gets married and starts having babies, the better. They are expected to marry young and they are expected to get pregnant IMMEDIATELY afterwards. If it takes even a few weeks to get pregnant, all the other Travelers start thinking there's something wrong with the girl (and ONLY the girl, never the guy)!
The girls also have an ironclad rule to remain a virgin until after they are married (males don't have this requirement) in spite of the hyper-sexualizing and objectifying that starts when they are still just toddlers (not to mention the horrific "grabbing" custom which is nothing less than the sanctioned sexual assault of teenage girls). Any girl who doesn't remain a virgin will be cast out of their family AND the Traveler community which is a horrendous and terrifying prospect because the ONLY people they know are their family and some other members of the Traveler community, and they don't have much of anything in the way of schooling, job skills, or how to function in the world outside of their family and community.
Girls/women who divorce are also cast out of their family and the community (and again, this does not apply to the males), so the fear of being cast out and left all alone in the world with children to care for (children go with the divorced mother), is often the glue that keeps these women in their marriages in spite of neglect, abuse, violence, drunkedness and/or husbands who are in and out of prison (divorced males are free to pursue other girls and remarry, and husbands being drunk, violent, in prison, etc is normalized as being both the price and pride of being a Traveler).
Raising girls with the constant onus of being responsible for protecting the family's name and honor by remaining a virgin while also being hyper-sexualized in order to attract a guy and marry very young, followed by immediately being thrust into the world of caring for babies and children and husbands and homes while a teenager ( there is no such thing as living alone as a single person for a time), keeps them from ever having the maturity to wonder about a different kind of life as they are growing up, or having the time to wonder once they are firmly entrenched in all the duties of caring for a family.
It's a very typical patriarchal society where females are objects owned first by their father and then by their husbands (their fecundity is under the control of a male at all times), and the females have very specific duties and rules for which they will pay dearly if they fail to abide by them while the males can do pretty much whatever they want (IF a male does do something that really riles their community, they usually just have to fight another male member with a stake in the trespass, after which the problem is considered done and dusted).
Yes.💔
There are lovely parts of these cultures, but these are the truly appalling sides.
Cheyenne is the double of John’s mam 😮😂
Yes I thought that she was Cheyenne mom exactly like her
Yes I thought the same
She really fits in with the entire family so well ❤
I thought the same. There's a saying about men growing up to marry their mother
Yup I thought the same!
When I see the little girls trying to dance all sexy it sickens me. They are taught to act like sex symbols at such a young age. In normal culture they could be easily hurt for that kind of behavior. It’s such a crazy scary world anymore😞💔
Attempted rape and molestation is NOT fucking romance.
That is quite a reach. Bet if you're even old enough, you voted for Biden.
@@CarrieAkins I know your not talking to me bitch.
@@CarrieAkins Biden never SA'd someone, Trump has, multiple times.
@@cilantroisbetterthanparsley😅😅😅 Biden never SAd anybody. The pig showered with his daughter
It was the hanging the baby upside down for me. The parents just stood there.
Yours is the first mention I can find of it as I scroll through the comments!
It's at 24:24 if anyone wants to be horrified.
I can’t believe he held the baby up side down 😮why???? 😢
It’s a joke because they are the godparents…. I thought it was pretty funny tbh
@@emakelley6807 smh
Tell them about the disabled person you beat, real classy. See the marriage never lasted and family helps your kids so their not permanently taken. Real nice
Why is no one talking about the baby being held upside down for a picture? What in the heck was that?????
I know!! 😢
It's strange how the men think that they own the women
Don't they? Women have no education, no money & property and no say. I think that is called slavery.
Yes absolutely what is more disturbing is that they don't want women to be successful in sport men are using sport to control women
Thats a thing 500 years ago
It’s so crazy how they normalize marrying at such a young age. What’s crazier yet is that most states here in the US allow people to marry at 16 with parental consent and there is a handful of states that can marry younger!!! And some can marry if they’re pregnant or have 3 children
You have to remember how many modern medical marvels we have. Penicillin, x-ray, disinfectant, food preservation, cheap food, clean water, better housing and clothing. In the Holy Roman empire the average age of mortality was 33 and Julius Caesar was 45 when he was assassinated. Then there is all the primary industries that are dangerous. We don't know how good we have it. Those social norms apply to back then
You can get married in Spain at 14. These law apply to times when life expectancy was low and as soon as you could stand you worked. Childhood toys were based on real world industry (farming, construction, military, house keeping, school, shop, child minding). Now all children's toys are electronic and do not resemble the real world.
But having babies at 13 unwed is what we have in US....
If you’re owned by someone then you have no freedoms what so ever
His controversial courtship technique would have got him a controversial kick in the ⚽️⚽️s as hard as i could - but even worse for me if he threw my dog into that water he would have followed with a big rock to the back of his Barnet 😡😡😡
Grabbing is violence and shouldn't be accepted 😪
How do you plan to change 30 generations of societal conditioning?
How on earth do these Travelers afford all this luxury? Huge weddings, birthday parties, first communions, first class vacations, limos, high-end cars, etc?
Rob steal
The dad literally said he stole those cufflinks. They steal and do all sorts of horrible stuff
Can't spend illegal gains on any worthy investments like a house, the tax man will be very suspicious.🤨
They don’t pay tax. Or any bills actually.
Throws her poor dog in the water and then tries to abduct a three year old child, disgusting hope he's a better husband she deserves it
Why does she "deserve" a better husband? She chose her husband!!! If she got a bum deal it's because she chose him. It's not like she could have done any better.
@@anthonyhassett no she didn’t. You can’t consent to choosing a husband at that age. Why is it her fault that the culture requires marriage that young? Did you know her mom died? She didn’t even have help learning what to look for. The men should step up and monitor and take care that their sons don’t turn into POS. If he presents like and angel and acts like a dick it’s his fault. She is not a mind reader. That’s the same ol blame the victim mentality. 100 years of mental health research says that isn’t the correct school of thought.
@@anthonyhassett The gypsy community is weird that way. It's not like there is a ton of choices and it at least appears all the men are raised with similar values unfortunately. But I do hear what you are saying.
@@anthonyhassett she didn't chose him. In the episode "love at first grab" Cheyenne explains that after a wedding reception he grabbed her and "it's not nice". They have a courting custom called "grabbing" where the boy has the right to grab the girl he likes, and if he is able to kiss her (even if she fights him) he can claim her.
@@katiehanson02 yeah but she didn't seem disappointed going up the aisle. She married him. She could have objected, her parents could have objected the priest could have refused to do the marriage. Tons of opportunities to get out. She didn't try too hard to fight him off either.
John's mom..and Cheyenne...look frighteningly alike. Like "Arkansas" alike if you catch my drift.
WTF you mean by that? People here in Arkansas are nice people. Family all over. Not in breds as you ditsy broad seem to be eluding to
24:23 what is the reason for hanging the baby upside down? They’re specifically posing this way. Is it some sort of tradition with meaning behind it?
Very sad, it’s literally sexual abuse .. you can’t grab someone and force yourself on them
is chewing gum constantly with your mouth open a traveller tradition too?
These women havent stood a chance since birth. My heart BREAKS for this girl. I woulda gone and acted as a Wedding co ordinator for FREE, just to relieve her stress. But damn...does this Dude need an ass whooopin to humble him. So lets see just how well he does being a good provider.
He did not just throw that poor dog in the water like it was nothin- 👁👄👁
That guy was arrested for attempting to kidnap a child on a street he is a thug like his family 💯💯
He's obviously an animal abuser. Disgusting and Evil. I feel sorry for her she seems like a good person.
That is nothing you should hear about the puppy farms and the dog fights they organise.
@@anthonyhassett what- 👁👄👁
@@nadiranuur5821 they steal small dogs like Jack Russell terriers to "train" larger dogs to fight. Please don't play naive.
They have these large, supposedly close knit families but there wasn't a single aunt or grandmother who could have stepped into the role of her mother to help this poor dear girl out with all her wedding planning?? And there wasn't an aunt or grandmother to support her and help her dress on her wedding day??? She didn't even have someone to fuss over her and help her get herself and her dress in and out of the car, or to fluff up all the layers of her dress and make sure both the dress and the veil were perfect as she walked into the church!!!
The second he treated my dog like that, I would have been done! Given him his ring back & walked away. Abuse. Is. Not. Love!, not in any way shape or form!
Wow, I wasn't allowed to date until I was 16....what's the rush, girl? Must be a custom of these folks. No getting to see the world and be independent.
thats what im saying, it even still blows my mind that classmates if mine got married immediately after highschool and im in the states. Im just sheeesh u just became an adult we have so much time. i get “u inly live once” but sheeesh marriage and kids is a lifetime commitment rather than something to check off the bucket list.
He literally SA her and then abused her dogs???
Chayennne is such a beautiful mature young lady,l cant even believe how composed and calm she was although her mom had recently died. I hope she’s living a nice happy life
It’s odd how the locals are always saying how they dislike the Gypsy, yet when they hear about a gypsy wedding they’re all lined up along the street as if they’re about to watch a parade
Neighbours probably want a good laugh. Brides all look like cheap tarts
It's like the Circus or Freak Show!
It's more like a train wreck in slow motion. It's awful, it's an eye sore you know it's going to be a disaster afterwards but you still call your cousin to tell her how bad it is because you can't look away.
So sad for the women born into this lifestyle, practically still in the Middle Ages in regards to how their treated.
Every gypsy girl has the same dance moves 🤣
Seen an bullock tangled in an electric fence. They both had the same grace and dignity.
Holey crap the way those tiny little grls were dressed, and make up and dancing provocatively.....jeez 😞
“Religion and god is very important in my family” yet they have no problem leaving someone in a critical condition while robbing everything the person has…they always brag about going to heaven and all that bullshit but yet they’re some of the biggest scumbag troublemakers you would ever meet
Not what real Christians believe trust me
The shame is her husband became the biggest biker crime gang in London
i always hated the scene with the dog, disgusting behaviour!!!!
“I don’t see anything wrong with this! Just a natural relationship is all” -Ike Turner
Cheyenne and Johns mum look the same
I hope that boy treats Shyan like the princess that she is, though I doubt it. Like all females in this culture, they're destined to lead a life of servitude, while being 'owned' by another person as though are slaves. That's illegal right there, boys. They're removed from school at an early age. They're sexualized at an early age always dressing provocatively even in church. Boys on the other hand have free reign but use that privilege not to improve themselves but to participate in illegal cage fighting where they're likely receive a brain injury at some point and or become petty criminals to survive. BTW, their normalizing of assault isn't normal or at least it shouldn't be. Normal people do not behave like this. Had the victim died that father of many kids would've been put behind bars for years not just months. Then how would his family have coped? Clearly, he's no role model. It's just a feeble excuse blaming their culture for breaking the law. They tarnish their own reputations; they need no help from outsiders.
I think she is gorgeous and they are a cute couple. I've looked at her FB and it seems they r still together but who knows. John did prison time for strong arm robbery.
They are still together, they have 4 children, unfortunatly she is sick now
@@myrtheattema7625 what is she sick with?
@@myrtheattema7625 with what how do you know that
Is it the same illness as her mum?
Which year did they got married?