Ive played AoE 2 many years ago and Chinese are my favorite civilization mainly because of their Chu-Ko-Nu. Theyre nuts when it comes to battling cavalry or destroying buildings
Glad I saw this on my front page. It's not showing in the uploads section of your channel yet. (update) just finished, solid games, very great series. Very happy about the result.
@@volition142 They cannot. In fact, they struggle versus strong archer an knight civs, and really only show their strengths when they can force an opponent into making counters.
@@rovsea-3761 Who would even care about the light cav vs knights scenario anyway though, the fact that enemy pikes lose half of their effectiveness is massive
Is it cost effective for the light cav player to take that fight tho? It's like saying paladins beat halbs in equal numbers, which they do. But is it worth it for the paladin player? Not at all, the halb player will always outlast
The point that T90 makes at 1:10:00 ish is so underrated. If more entertainers had this understanding of what their job is. T90, I love watching you while I wind down to my afternoon nap every day (I only sleep 4-5hrs at night for various reasons, so do a nap every day). Arabia games are my favorite and you and Dave casting together are my second. Keep it up!
Man you are destroying my entire productivity. I want to start studying at 8 in the morning and have to watch a 2-hour video first before I can start. Now it is 10:15 and I am considering if it even makes sense to start studying now for today.
balancing from the top down is a must in this kind of game. simply because at low skill levels there wont be a time where having an upgrade or an attack come in 20 seconds early will decide a game. from personal experience, at low skill levels in RTS games the person that can make the most army consistently wins. composition even is not on the forefront, simply having a consistent stream of units will win eventually, because players are so inconsistent that mostly their eco cant handle creating more units consistently.
@@brambillafumagalli8122 Yeah I thought that might be a thing. I remember people doing this few years back but now no one does it. It would be nice if yt added a feature to hide video length. Anyway thx for the reply.
@31:38 this is late but now with all the patches, Sicilians with the regular built nomad tc should in theory be fine since they can build successive tcs so fast. Even if they don't get it immediately, they can catch up quite well in the mid game. Serjeants are also rly resistant to archers so even though they're infantry, with upgrades they can tank a tc shot or even a few. Farm bonus helps conserve wood since it isn't so frequently you're spending wood to refresh farms.
anyway you could add 30-60 minutes of dead air at the end so we wouldn't know how much time is left? started game 4 with 45 minutes left and daud up 2, so it telegraphs that daud is going to win, with the remaining time life. Love your commentary!
I not only fully agree about the university placement in the first game, but I think that daut should have moved the relics to the back while he was still booming since that monastery was right on where the front line was going to be
After Daut cuts some of his first gold (game 1), it will be a T..lol Dogs have owners Cats have staff Was that mancation on brokeback mountain?..lol Happy Birthday Daut xx
It's always easier to stand by and think, but I think it happens a little too often that they are careless in not defending their cannons, catapults and trebuchet. They use mostly lousy light cavalry instead of knights. They use pikemen far too seldom to protect against horses that threaten archers. And why do they not guard their base better with swordsmen for example so that battering frame can not easily go in and destroy castles and other important buildings. But it's entertaining to watch.
in game 1 i was thinking Daut had it,his economy was booming!....but maybe that was the problem? maybe he should have built 1 less TC and put those res towards military? or techs?...great game tho
Am I the only one who was mildly shocked that Slam didn't get Torsion Engines for his bombard cannons in game #2? In my (extremely low-level) experience, TE bombards slaughter skirmishers and repair villagers, and I feel like it should have been the obvious play. Am I overrating Torsion Engines, or was it just too expensive?
Spending several bombard cannons' worth of gold just to kill more cheap Byzantine skirms when he rarely had more than three bombards on the field at once probably wasn't worth it.
It would be nice if T90 added extra time to these, so the outcome wouldn't be so obvious after 3 games based on the time remaining in the video. Memb does this, but I prefer T90's commentary.
It's really frustrating watching pro games where they just don't understand civ matchups. Italians should never lose vs Khmer once the game goes past 35 minutes, once you get to onager pike vs khmer you've pretty much won. They have no counter besides making their own halb onager, and then italians have bbc. If you can just not die and get to onager, you should win every time.
the effectiveness of the half bonus damage thing really became clear, the opponent has to remember to commit extra trash any time they want to counter something
Cumans hard counter Turks in arena. I've only lost to turks as cumans once and that's because it went into post imp where Turk Calvary Archers and Hussars are better than Cuman Kipcheks and Hussars.
@@tiancheng8549 Yes, but full upgraded hussar +2 attack is still an unbalanced benefit in the long run. Devs changed the relic bonus because from data Lithuanian had a big w/l curve in long games.
@@tiancheng8549 Relic bonus take place in castle age when it's usually reccomended knight over light cav. The first are ready to go while the second need more upgrades to be effective. Usually light cav are used just to snipe monks. In early imperial age it's reccomend to upgrade knight lines over light cav for tank purpose. The use of hussar before late imperial is situational and an average +2 attack doesn't change the scenario so much.
@@harishsundar245 have you ever watched any of Hera's AoE2 Content? it's just something he says to the YT viewers. it's kinda funny. I was hoping T90 people would bounce around the other AoE2 Streamers
I know the vid's a year old, but wanting AoE2 (2013) off the market is a terribly bad take. If, like in your example, some drunk fuck buys the "wrong" game, that's on him! HD is more faithful to the original than DE. It NEEDS to stay on the market. And the solution to your example is not taking HD off the market, the solution is good refund policies. Which Steam already has!
I love how hes come fully on board with the fact hes soothing voice is a great way to fall asleep for us insomniacs
@@8LegoVogel8 no
It would be great to put dates of initial broadcast on these. That way I can tell if I have already fallen asleep to the content on twitch.
If you don't remember if you've watched it or not, you can watch it again! 😉
Never played this game but some how im 12 videos in and taking notes. great content dude
It's interesting right, I used the play the game around 15 years ago. So don't remember much but it's really soothing
Try it bro. It's great fun. And frustrating as fuck.... But fun!
The main reason I'm a big fan of DauT is his longevity, almost 20 years of competitive play non-stop and still doing some amazing tournaments.
“Kill two birds with one phone”
-T90 2021
Ive played AoE 2 many years ago and Chinese are my favorite civilization mainly because of their Chu-Ko-Nu. Theyre nuts when it comes to battling cavalry or destroying buildings
I like watching the arena games.
Glad I saw this on my front page. It's not showing in the uploads section of your channel yet.
(update) just finished, solid games, very great series. Very happy about the result.
Man how great is it that we were blessed with a slam vs DauT finals for Masters of Arena 6. Really looking forward to MoA7!!!
Ive never doubted Daut. The smartest player imo.
Little known fact: Sicilian light cav wins handsomely against spears. Infact FU Sicilian light cav in castle age wins against FU pikemen.
But can they win against knights?
@@volition142 They cannot. In fact, they struggle versus strong archer an knight civs, and really only show their strengths when they can force an opponent into making counters.
@@rovsea-3761 Who would even care about the light cav vs knights scenario anyway though, the fact that enemy pikes lose half of their effectiveness is massive
nah pike still beats em, scouts still lose to spear
Is it cost effective for the light cav player to take that fight tho? It's like saying paladins beat halbs in equal numbers, which they do. But is it worth it for the paladin player? Not at all, the halb player will always outlast
57:44 - They DESTROYED a relic. Classic!
The point that T90 makes at 1:10:00 ish is so underrated. If more entertainers had this understanding of what their job is. T90, I love watching you while I wind down to my afternoon nap every day (I only sleep 4-5hrs at night for various reasons, so do a nap every day). Arabia games are my favorite and you and Dave casting together are my second. Keep it up!
Gotta agree, cannot count the number of times that I have fallen asleep watching one of these long videos from T90..
"Pray at the unfinished altars of our lord, daut!" :D
Super hyped for slam!!!! Been a rough year for him but making it in the final is just amazing
I remember Teuton "death star" TCs, they had like 15 range and could take down castle in under a minute.
They used to have bracer so it was 8+7 range?
6+7 so 13.
@@brokentombot I don't remember exact value bruh, it was 10+ years ago in the original AoE2
13 range does sound more realistic
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm when T90 and Daut were family from the beginning
T90 creating all these tournaments to show off his dad... such a sweet story ^^
11:00 "fukkem up kitty." Haha! I said the exact same thing before reading that! Cheers NotToast
Man you are destroying my entire productivity. I want to start studying at 8 in the morning and have to watch a 2-hour video first before I can start.
Now it is 10:15 and I am considering if it even makes sense to start studying now for today.
Study man i demand it
I demand IT too
You can watch it 2x speed so it's only 1 hour.
"fast imp into drush" lmfao
I thought was just I who slept listening to DE games. It's amazing
Dout is incredible. Love his gameplay so much =DDD
balancing from the top down is a must in this kind of game. simply because at low skill levels there wont be a time where having an upgrade or an attack come in 20 seconds early will decide a game. from personal experience, at low skill levels in RTS games the person that can make the most army consistently wins. composition even is not on the forefront, simply having a consistent stream of units will win eventually, because players are so inconsistent that mostly their eco cant handle creating more units consistently.
I’m happy to see slam in tournaments, I enjoy watching him play
He’s been in tournaments for almost 10 years
hey t90, love your content, especially community games! love from malaysia
Consider maybe adding dead air on the end, since it was easy to tell the final score after 2-1 by looking at video length.
There are problems with TH-cam algorithm and video monetization with this.
@@brambillafumagalli8122 Yeah I thought that might be a thing. I remember people doing this few years back but now no one does it. It would be nice if yt added a feature to hide video length. Anyway thx for the reply.
@@4_Hunter agreed! Adding a feature to hide length for only certain vids would be great.
DauT losing?
DauT it.
Game 2 was nuts! Well played by both.
@31:38 this is late but now with all the patches, Sicilians with the regular built nomad tc should in theory be fine since they can build successive tcs so fast. Even if they don't get it immediately, they can catch up quite well in the mid game. Serjeants are also rly resistant to archers so even though they're infantry, with upgrades they can tank a tc shot or even a few. Farm bonus helps conserve wood since it isn't so frequently you're spending wood to refresh farms.
I hate to say it but Slam really makes HUGE errors in tournaments. Like after the first game his performance just got worse and worse.
He really threw game 4 by killing his own ram, that ram would've made all the difference in that push.
anyway you could add 30-60 minutes of dead air at the end so we wouldn't know how much time is left? started game 4 with 45 minutes left and daud up 2, so it telegraphs that daud is going to win, with the remaining time life. Love your commentary!
That would be nice. In the meantime, there's a Chrome extension called "Hide TH-cam Progress Bar"
There are problems with TH-cam algorithm and video monetization with this.
28:00
Good to hear the militia earlier were all part of the plan!
27:00 GG! Most entertaining.
I not only fully agree about the university placement in the first game, but I think that daut should have moved the relics to the back while he was still booming since that monastery was right on where the front line was going to be
2v2 arenas with team drafts would be suuuuper interesting
@ 11:29 Maybe put the things that the kitten and cat like to play with in ANOTHER ROOM, T90? 🤔 Just a suggestion.......
Didn´t capture age had a feature where you could mark moments and then replay from there?
Where can I buy aoe? Not HD, the one T90 is playing, is it the steam definitive edition or whatever or is it somewhere else?
Yes, on Steam the AoE2 Definitve Edition is what you want to get, its the newest and best version of the game
After Daut cuts some of his first gold (game 1), it will be a T..lol
Dogs have owners
Cats have staff
Was that mancation on brokeback mountain?..lol
Happy Birthday Daut xx
statue in afront of tc is from event missions
Wtf Slam! When the ram went down because of his own mangonel with the turks I couldn't believe it. Low Elo Legend!
Daut is the worst deer pusher ever.
But daut placed the farms before horse collour finished with cicilians does it count when it´s build and not placed?
Finishing is what matters :)
Don't forget to give this video a like. This is a great matchup.
i thought he was gonna say Greetings from Ger.....Ger?.....Ger Mama's House! lol
Happy Bday D!!!!!
Siege tower should be built in the barracks
Spoiler:
I'm really surprised he lost while having 5 relics. I never thought I'd see that.
2:21:40 Daut castle against Daut?
It's always easier to stand by and think, but I think it happens a little too often that they are careless in not defending their cannons, catapults and trebuchet. They use mostly lousy light cavalry instead of knights. They use pikemen far too seldom to protect against horses that threaten archers. And why do they not guard their base better with swordsmen for example so that battering frame can not easily go in and destroy castles and other important buildings. But it's entertaining to watch.
Well, I know pavise only has two syllables. The internet seems a little murky on the pronunciation, however. Pav-eece, or pav-eyes.
I never realized i didnt have def edition. I bought it right before they released def. edition haha :'(
in game 1 i was thinking Daut had it,his economy was booming!....but maybe that was the problem? maybe he should have built 1 less TC and put those res towards military? or techs?...great game tho
DauT is my Frickin hero!!!!!!!!!!!!
the SLAM RAM
Villagers should be able to build trebuchet in castle age.... Cost a little more and take a little longer to create???
_"We'll kill two birds with one phone"_
Arena games are the best sleeping content
Am I the only one who was mildly shocked that Slam didn't get Torsion Engines for his bombard cannons in game #2? In my (extremely low-level) experience, TE bombards slaughter skirmishers and repair villagers, and I feel like it should have been the obvious play.
Am I overrating Torsion Engines, or was it just too expensive?
Spending several bombard cannons' worth of gold just to kill more cheap Byzantine skirms when he rarely had more than three bombards on the field at once probably wasn't worth it.
@T90 I've been lookin for a jov since almost 9 months... I rely to it
Just played an arena game. Had 4 relics and still lost. Why do I suck
100% he called viper and Hera and said let me get the dub 😂😂😂
Daut is better than Hera on arena
It would be nice if T90 added extra time to these, so the outcome wouldn't be so obvious after 3 games based on the time remaining in the video. Memb does this, but I prefer T90's commentary.
T90 annoys me but hes still the best aoe caster I want to like memb he keeps it real but hes to loud or somthing idk
55:11 This is not the time to make Caraphracts. Knights would fair far better.
Can U tell me why my aoe 2 always 0 ping? How to fix it?
Nobody picked teutons, the objectively best civ in aoe2.
Why did slam give up at the last sec
It's really frustrating watching pro games where they just don't understand civ matchups. Italians should never lose vs Khmer once the game goes past 35 minutes, once you get to onager pike vs khmer you've pretty much won. They have no counter besides making their own halb onager, and then italians have bbc.
If you can just not die and get to onager, you should win every time.
Daut is T90's dad confirmed.
What is it about DauT and Slam playing that makes T90 call DauT dad?
So glad he finished it off with Sicilians. I really feel like they are an underrated civ.
the effectiveness of the half bonus damage thing really became clear, the opponent has to remember to commit extra trash any time they want to counter something
slam lost when he microed his canons under castle fire he should have just left the castles too his trebs
AoE 4 looks rough so far. We will see.
Roggan
GL A finals nice
what does GL in their usernames mean? is that their guild?
Yes, it stands for GamerLegion, the e-sports group that hired them after they left Team Secret.
Good night
"I have many german friends"
- rejected austrian artist, 1908 or t90, 2021. Can't tell them apart.
greetings from "undefined"
What happened to the APM counter?
It will be really cool if Sicilian farm upgrades have triple effect instead of just double
Toilet chairs are OP, coupled with a mini-fridge is just downright cheating at this point.
Slam should have gone fast imp vs cumans
Siege Towers should be cheaper and be able to fire arrows if Archers are Garrisoned in it :^)
Cumans hard counter Turks in arena. I've only lost to turks as cumans once and that's because it went into post imp where Turk Calvary Archers and Hussars are better than Cuman Kipcheks and Hussars.
daut isnt playing Malay....so Malay prolly just A-tier for him
Twitch Smells
What do Italians bring to arena?
Expressive hand gestures.
Presto pronto
Cool
Is calling a player dad the same level as calling your teacher mom?
My dude @t90 can you please stop putting the names of who's in the game in the thumbnail and title?
but then how do you know if you want to watch it?
That Lithuanian relic bonus should apply to hussar line
Originally it was but it was OP especially in late trash wars.
@@brambillafumagalli8122 It is not easy to get more than 2 relics in a equal game
@@tiancheng8549 Yes, but full upgraded hussar +2 attack is still an unbalanced benefit in the long run. Devs changed the relic bonus because from data Lithuanian had a big w/l curve in long games.
@@brambillafumagalli8122 Considering that Lithuanian is weak in mid game, the game should have ended before it goes to trash units.
@@tiancheng8549 Relic bonus take place in castle age when it's usually reccomended knight over light cav. The first are ready to go while the second need more upgrades to be effective. Usually light cav are used just to snipe monks. In early imperial age it's reccomend to upgrade knight lines over light cav for tank purpose. The use of hussar before late imperial is situational and an average +2 attack doesn't change the scenario so much.
1st game slams trebs afk half of the game
So AoE 4 will be the replacement for AoE 2?
hi it's me, I bought HD after watching your videos, cant auto scout so I stopped playing .
You can't autoscout on HD. It's a DE feature.
Chinese should NOT get Trebs.
Oh, you gotta put your girlfriend on the stream! I can't wait for that.
no! boys only!
SPOILERS:
t90 was the reason slam lost game 2! your casters curse is horrid :''
25th like lol commenting for Hera's algorithm
What hera algorithm ?
@@harishsundar245 have you ever watched any of Hera's AoE2 Content? it's just something he says to the YT viewers. it's kinda funny. I was hoping T90 people would bounce around the other AoE2 Streamers
vululu
I know the vid's a year old, but wanting AoE2 (2013) off the market is a terribly bad take. If, like in your example, some drunk fuck buys the "wrong" game, that's on him! HD is more faithful to the original than DE. It NEEDS to stay on the market. And the solution to your example is not taking HD off the market, the solution is good refund policies. Which Steam already has!