The vent plugs is where I was stuck at. Thanks for the help! Ol Toro is back up and running. It's going on 20 years old and I don't think my mom ever had the filters changed. They were nearly rusted through.
I got this mower specifically to be able to drive it through a 36 inch door th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend or gate It is a little tight with the grass deflector installed but has more clearance with the deflector replaced by the recycler/mulcher. This model appears to be popular and a little harder to find for that reason. I can't judge the dependability as I have only mowed the yard twice but everything else on the mower is very nice and working fine so far. I added options for the run hour timer, arm backrests, recycler/mulcher, towing bracket, deck lift assist and cover.
you can run straight 50 weight also. you can use any 20w50. remove both vents at same time... both fill at same time... IIRC left side fills sooner than right. pull tabs in rear to disengage wheels first, bleed air, then push tabs back in and bleed air again.
Great video, fyi our mowers have a transmission disable, so you can run the levers forwards and backwards without the wheels turning. Also, M1-103A and Fram FD4386 work as alternative filters, which you can get at any local auto parts shop.
Also, these filters - Wix WL10102 Stens 120-738 Rotary (19-) 12374 Exmark 109-3321 Make sure it’s a transmission/hydraulic filter with no bypass valve/or anti-drain back valve.
@MowerMike, Thanks for the help, I changed a charge kit, o-rings and filters along with oil change, all very easy with your tutorial! My transmission leaks some hydro oil where the drive rod comes out of the transmission, Do you have any experience with fixing leaks from that area? I have the same cub cadet Z-force 60" as you. T.I.A
No I don’t. But my guess is to replace that gasket you may have to pull the whole transmission and split it open. Which is a bear of a task. Glad the video helped
I suggest keep on trying to bleed the system with the rear jacked up. You can unhook the hoses leading to the units and use a funnel directly into the transmission. I have had to do that because air can get trapped in the hose that goes to the overflow tank. If that doesn’t work You also may have installed the pump gear upside down or the wrong one. I know it is frustrating but just go slow and keep working it. I bet you will get it going.
Got a question for ya brotha. My fluid looks totally fine and clear, but I noticed some grass pieces in my expansion tank. Not a whole lot, but enough to make me concerned. What’s your thoughts? I just bought the lawnmower from a guy that I did some HVAC work for so I’m unaware of who did what. It did come with books and records, but not sure how the grass got in.
Brilliant video Mower Mike!! I will be doing an oil change on my Z-force 60 after you showed how to do it! I already have 1.5 quarts of Cub Cadet Drive Fluid, do you see any reason why I should not mix it with Kawasaki 20W50 oil?
Mower Mike, Thanks for the help, I changed a charge kit, o-rings and filters along with oil change, all very easy with your tutorial! My transmission leaks some hydro oil where the drive rod comes out of the transmission, Do you have any experience with fixing leaks from that area? I have the same cub cadet Z-force 60" as you. T.I.A
Ever dealt with the Craftsman Revolution Mower ? The transmission called an Infinitrak ?? What fluid or oil do they take ... the fluid reservoir is almost dry & not sure what to use , 20w-50 maybe ?? Thanks !!
Mate, I'm in need of help. Cub cadet 2004 rtz17. It doesn't have oil filter, but it does have a breather, I'm figure that I gotta take out both transmition's, Flip upside down, drain oil out, How much oil do I put back in, carn't find out nothing about it, And unfortunately I carn't access the filler hole from up top when i put it back to get her, so i need to do all this and the bench, before reassembling it back together. Can you give me any idea, how to, Sorry for being a pain in the bum. Thanks in advance. Cheers from down under
Howdy Mate, no worries I have ya covered check out this video. th-cam.com/video/l5c5zq5qz8Q/w-d-xo.html Then move onto my playlist and let me know what questions you have after watching what I have out there. th-cam.com/play/PLo4VDcnI4eog75ESAm7eClMTZ50vTwQEu.html
Hey man working on a toro zero turn with the steering wheel not sure the exact model it has the hydro gear transmissions kind of wondering if there the same and i could use the same parts ZH-MCBB-3BRA-2PL3 thanks
Mower mike, i have bobcat fast cat that has the zt3100 in it and i have changed fluids and filters all to direction. bled air and tested mower~ it does great but after parking and checking next day, i have to repurge again before hydro left side starts working again. what can it be. thx phil
@@ErikISkogen Check out this video of my Texas snow mowing. You will get a chuckle out of it. Cub Cadet Z-Force 60in Zero Turn Mower SNOW BLOWER!!!! th-cam.com/video/cUA2XWPyBkw/w-d-xo.html
I have a 2015 Cub RTZ-L that has been down for a year because of the left drive. New to these drives. I bought a new drive ZC-DMBB-4MDC-24PX. Haven’t put it on though I am getting ready to. It doesn’t appear serviceable, does this mean it’s already filled?
The toro z4200 model 74360 has no filters and has a small 1/8" hose coming out the top of each side of the transmission . Since we can't find any video's on the Toro Z4200 on transmission fluid and how to add oil we are adding oul through this tube. Still the left side won't turn any faster...its very slow. Thanks for the great videos
Thanks. Sorry, so when you say ‘bleed’, do you have the cap off the resevoir, or the allen vent bolts slightly cracked? If it bleeds through the resevoir, then you would notice the fluid level drop as you do it, right?
Loosening the bolt helps it bleed. It won’t bleed through the oil reservoir since that is where you are filling it. When you fill it there it has no where for the air to go since the tube from the reservoir to the trans is filled with fluid, that is the reason for the little vent/Allen head bolt. Good luck, getting the air out of the system is the trickiest part of changing the fluid.
@@MowerMike do the bolts need to come all the way out? Mine isn’t a Allen but a 19mm socket and on the right side there is a pulley in the way and I can’t get a wrench on it and if I did it still wouldn’t back out all the way I don’t think. The pulley is so close to it
Some of them bleed through the reservoir via a small hole in the cap...just like on a gas tank or such....they all ABSOLUTELY have a vent of some kind somewhere and I'm not talking about the Allen head plug etc.....if they didn't have some means o ventilation than the pressure that build up as result of heat and volume displacement would blow the seals out or blow the housing apart.....pressure is just like electricity....it travels the path of least resistance.....
I do on regular riders but not on a zero turn. That is a good idea for a video, I will put it on my list. Thanks. They are pretty easy on the zero turns though just pull on the lever with the idler pullie to release the tension and it should slip right off.
@@MowerMike Not on my Exmark Phazer. No clearance to remove belts anywhere. Must remove fans from sheaves, idler arm (no belt clearance), and bracket to clutcu between belts. Just damn nasty. I am an engineer, but damn the engineer that did this design!😒
More Mike my zero turn cub cadet has a steering wheel it's a z460 and when I cut grass it leaves a little bit of transmission fluid I pour some in there to keep it along the bottom of the reservoirs what they say when I bought it and when I get done it pours out and I have to put that small amount in there so I'm not losing a lot what do you think that could be
The Amazon 20w50 hydrostatic gear oil is the best you can buy. I have tested it and it runs smoother and faster than anything on the market. Check out the link below. I only use Amsoil on all my equipment and cars. Sign up to be a preferred customer is the way to go. www.amsoil.com/search/#q=20w-50%20synthetic%20hydrostatic%20transmission%20fluid&t=totalProductsTab&sort=relevancy&numberOfResults=20?zo=1360728
HELP!! I have a cub cadet Z Force 60”, it runs great until you turn the blades on then it bogs down.. I have to drive really slow to cut grass. If I drive over grass I just cut, then it runs fine but bogs down again just as soon as I hit the next row of grass.. and no, my grass is not too high/thick.. it does it whether I have the deck on my normal height or raised all the way up.. it’s like it’s bogging down under any amount of load.. I have changed fuel filter, plugs, engine oil, new blades, and cleaned the carb- and still having the same issue.. any ideas/suggestions?? Thank you!!
Check your cylinder compression. Sometimes when I can’t figure out what is wrong the engine internals are just tired, you should have atleast 120lbs. You also should check your valve lash if you haven’t already. th-cam.com/video/A-pz95aGCfQ/w-d-xo.html
My mower did the same thing! I changed all the same things as you did.... but I found out it was the ignition coil (simple to replace) and after that it works great!!
So I have the same mower you do almost. I did this whole oil change and upgraded the seals and covers. I had oil coming out of both vent holes and the reservoir filled just over half. I jacked it up and the right wheel will not move at all. I am thinking vapor lock but the oil is coming out of the vent so what do I do now? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks
I suggest unhooking the full tube, put your vent plugs back in and just manually add fluid as your bleed the hydro with a funnel. They are tricky to get all the air out.
@@hroboys3817 You unscrew the fitting the fill line fills through and just hold the funnel right above it where you can see it pouring in . That way you know it is bleeding
Any input on a JD 265 riding mower that has weak forward and weak reverse? Dealer tried replacing the hygard fluid and filter but it’s still so weak even the slightest hill stops it. I checked the linkage and it’s functioning fine all the way forward and back. I jacked up the rear wheels put it in forward/reverse and I can stop both wheels with my hands 😳
Losing a small amount of transmission fluid mic every time I cut grass I only have to pour a little bit and the reservoir to get it back up about 1/8 of an inch but every time I lose some what could that be
The vent plugs is where I was stuck at. Thanks for the help! Ol Toro is back up and running. It's going on 20 years old and I don't think my mom ever had the filters changed. They were nearly rusted through.
Dang well done saving her.
I got this mower specifically to be able to drive it through a 36 inch door th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend or gate It is a little tight with the grass deflector installed but has more clearance with the deflector replaced by the recycler/mulcher. This model appears to be popular and a little harder to find for that reason. I can't judge the dependability as I have only mowed the yard twice but everything else on the mower is very nice and working fine so far. I added options for the run hour timer, arm backrests, recycler/mulcher, towing bracket, deck lift assist and cover.
Damn she must have been dirty in there
you can run straight 50 weight also. you can use any 20w50. remove both vents at same time... both fill at same time... IIRC left side fills sooner than right. pull tabs in rear to disengage wheels first, bleed air, then push tabs back in and bleed air again.
Nice trick, never thought of that one
Great video, fyi our mowers have a transmission disable, so you can run the levers forwards and backwards without the wheels turning. Also, M1-103A and Fram FD4386 work as alternative filters, which you can get at any local auto parts shop.
Thanks for the filter numbers, those dang hydro filters are $20 a piece!
Also, these filters -
Wix WL10102
Stens 120-738
Rotary (19-) 12374
Exmark 109-3321
Make sure it’s a transmission/hydraulic filter with no bypass valve/or anti-drain back valve.
Great video. I need to do this to my cub cadet and this was very useful.
Glad I can help, bleeding these correctly is key.
@MowerMike, Thanks for the help, I changed a charge kit, o-rings and filters along with oil change, all very easy with your tutorial! My transmission leaks some hydro oil where the drive rod comes out of the transmission, Do you have any experience with fixing leaks from that area? I have the same cub cadet Z-force 60" as you. T.I.A
No I don’t. But my guess is to replace that gasket you may have to pull the whole transmission and split it open. Which is a bear of a task. Glad the video helped
@@MowerMike thank you. I’ll have to call a shop and see if they can help and hope it doesn’t cost a small fortune!
Cub cadet worked noises. Service both sides both filters and pump upgrades won't move forward or reverse tried bleeding any help
I suggest keep on trying to bleed the system with the rear jacked up. You can unhook the hoses leading to the units and use a funnel directly into the transmission. I have had to do that because air can get trapped in the hose that goes to the overflow tank.
If that doesn’t work You also may have installed the pump gear upside down or the wrong one. I know it is frustrating but just go slow and keep working it. I bet you will get it going.
My cub cadet is weak on left side but wheels spin the same speed it’s a 50 inch and can’t look at hydro oil any idea?
Everything is I know about those is in that video, good luck
Got a question for ya brotha. My fluid looks totally fine and clear, but I noticed some grass pieces in my expansion tank. Not a whole lot, but enough to make me concerned. What’s your thoughts? I just bought the lawnmower from a guy that I did some HVAC work for so I’m unaware of who did what. It did come with books and records, but not sure how the grass got in.
Hmmm, maybe put the lid back on the tank?? Haha, no idea I would just keep running it. Little grass won’t hurt anything
Brilliant video Mower Mike!! I will be doing an oil change on my Z-force 60 after you showed how to do it! I already have 1.5 quarts of Cub Cadet Drive Fluid, do you see any reason why I should not mix it with Kawasaki 20W50 oil?
Wow no one has ever called me Brilliant haha. No idea about the mixing but my guess is it would be fine.
Mower Mike, Thanks for the help, I changed a charge kit, o-rings and filters along with oil change, all very easy with your tutorial! My transmission leaks some hydro oil where the drive rod comes out of the transmission, Do you have any experience with fixing leaks from that area? I have the same cub cadet Z-force 60" as you. T.I.A
I have a rzt50 and it has a tank for fluid for the trans axles. Does that mean it isn’t or is serviceable
Yes it should be serviceable, check under it and see if it has screw on filters.
I noticed that your left wheel wasn’t moving when you was bleeding the line is that normal till you get the air out mine is doing the same thing
Yep totally normal. They have to be bleed to work
@@MowerMike how long does it normally take to bleed them I tried to bleed mine for a hour and it’s still bubbling and the tire still don’t spin
@@travisfultz Usually just a couple of minutes.
Ever dealt with the Craftsman Revolution Mower ? The transmission called an Infinitrak ?? What fluid or oil do they take ... the fluid reservoir is almost dry & not sure what to use , 20w-50 maybe ?? Thanks !!
No never heard of one. That or straight 30 weight would probably be work.
@@MowerMike I'll give it a go , thank you for replying back !! 🙂👍
Mate, I'm in need of help. Cub cadet 2004 rtz17.
It doesn't have oil filter, but it does have a breather,
I'm figure that I gotta take out both transmition's,
Flip upside down, drain oil out,
How much oil do I put back in, carn't find out nothing about it,
And unfortunately I carn't access the filler hole from up top when i put it back to get her, so i need to do all this and the bench, before reassembling it back together.
Can you give me any idea, how to,
Sorry for being a pain in the bum.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers from down under
Howdy Mate, no worries I have ya covered check out this video.
th-cam.com/video/l5c5zq5qz8Q/w-d-xo.html
Then move onto my playlist and let me know what questions you have after watching what I have out there.
th-cam.com/play/PLo4VDcnI4eog75ESAm7eClMTZ50vTwQEu.html
Hey man working on a toro zero turn with the steering wheel not sure the exact model it has the hydro gear transmissions kind of wondering if there the same and i could use the same parts ZH-MCBB-3BRA-2PL3 thanks
No idea will have to ask Google that
Mower mike, i have bobcat fast cat that has the zt3100 in it and i have changed fluids and filters all to direction. bled air and tested mower~ it does great but after parking and checking next day, i have to repurge again before hydro left side starts working again. what can it be. thx phil
No idea maybe it has a little leak up top somewhere near the filler
I use mine for plowing snow. Im using 5w40 oil for that :)
Damn that is a beast. No snow plowing down here in Texas
@@MowerMike That would be lovely! Mowing snow each morning when it comes a feet or more each night is tuff. But we live for the summer here in Norway😅
@@ErikISkogen Check out this video of my Texas snow mowing. You will get a chuckle out of it.
Cub Cadet Z-Force 60in Zero Turn Mower SNOW BLOWER!!!!
th-cam.com/video/cUA2XWPyBkw/w-d-xo.html
I have a 2015 Cub RTZ-L that has been down for a year because of the left drive. New to these drives. I bought a new drive
ZC-DMBB-4MDC-24PX.
Haven’t put it on though I am getting ready to.
It doesn’t appear serviceable, does this mean it’s already filled?
Yes they are sealed. Check out my zero turn playlist, have a few videos on those
@@MowerMike Sure will. Thank you!!
@@MowerMike Did watch some more of your videos. After roughly 2 hours my Cub 54" zero turn was mowing grass! Thanks for the videos!!
When pouring new hydro oil in do you have both allens out or do you do them one at a time?
Both one is so it will bleed air out as you fill.
The toro z4200 model 74360 has no filters and has a small 1/8" hose coming out the top of each side of the transmission . Since we can't find any video's on the Toro Z4200 on transmission fluid and how to add oil we are adding oul through this tube.
Still the left side won't turn any faster...its very slow.
Thanks for the great videos
Check out my other hydro oil change video on my zero turn playlist. It shows how to do it on a non filter one like yours. Is a PIA
Thanks. Sorry, so when you say ‘bleed’, do you have the cap off the resevoir, or the allen vent bolts slightly cracked? If it bleeds through the resevoir, then you would notice the fluid level drop as you do it, right?
Loosening the bolt helps it bleed. It won’t bleed through the oil reservoir since that is where you are filling it. When you fill it there it has no where for the air to go since the tube from the reservoir to the trans is filled with fluid, that is the reason for the little vent/Allen head bolt.
Good luck, getting the air out of the system is the trickiest part of changing the fluid.
@@MowerMike do the bolts need to come all the way out? Mine isn’t a Allen but a 19mm socket and on the right side there is a pulley in the way and I can’t get a wrench on it and if I did it still wouldn’t back out all the way I don’t think. The pulley is so close to it
@@Darrenbrown09 It just needs to loosen enough so air comes through the threads so no it doesn’t have to come all the way out
@@MowerMike thank you sir!
Some of them bleed through the reservoir via a small hole in the cap...just like on a gas tank or such....they all ABSOLUTELY have a vent of some kind somewhere and I'm not talking about the Allen head plug etc.....if they didn't have some means o ventilation than the pressure that build up as result of heat and volume displacement would blow the seals out or blow the housing apart.....pressure is just like electricity....it travels the path of least resistance.....
The newer Hydr-Gear ET hydros have drain plugs now.
Really that is good news. I never get to play with anything newer than 10 years old
Thanks for the video. Do you have a video on how to change the hydrostatic v belt ?
I do on regular riders but not on a zero turn. That is a good idea for a video, I will put it on my list. Thanks.
They are pretty easy on the zero turns though just pull on the lever with the idler pullie to release the tension and it should slip right off.
@@MowerMike Not on my Exmark Phazer. No clearance to remove belts anywhere. Must remove fans from sheaves, idler arm (no belt clearance), and bracket to clutcu between belts. Just damn nasty. I am an engineer, but damn the engineer that did this design!😒
Thank you for your video. Really helped out
Glad it helped
More Mike my zero turn cub cadet has a steering wheel it's a z460 and when I cut grass it leaves a little bit of transmission fluid I pour some in there to keep it along the bottom of the reservoirs what they say when I bought it and when I get done it pours out and I have to put that small amount in there so I'm not losing a lot what do you think that could be
I have no idea look around and find where it is leaking and fix it.
What type oil on hydo unit cub cadet enforcer 54
The Amazon 20w50 hydrostatic gear oil is the best you can buy. I have tested it and it runs smoother and faster than anything on the market. Check out the link below. I only use Amsoil on all my equipment and cars. Sign up to be a preferred customer is the way to go.
www.amsoil.com/search/#q=20w-50%20synthetic%20hydrostatic%20transmission%20fluid&t=totalProductsTab&sort=relevancy&numberOfResults=20?zo=1360728
HELP!! I have a cub cadet Z Force 60”, it runs great until you turn the blades on then it bogs down.. I have to drive really slow to cut grass. If I drive over grass I just cut, then it runs fine but bogs down again just as soon as I hit the next row of grass.. and no, my grass is not too high/thick.. it does it whether I have the deck on my normal height or raised all the way up.. it’s like it’s bogging down under any amount of load.. I have changed fuel filter, plugs, engine oil, new blades, and cleaned the carb- and still having the same issue.. any ideas/suggestions?? Thank you!!
Check your cylinder compression. Sometimes when I can’t figure out what is wrong the engine internals are just tired, you should have atleast 120lbs. You also should check your valve lash if you haven’t already.
th-cam.com/video/A-pz95aGCfQ/w-d-xo.html
My mower did the same thing! I changed all the same things as you did.... but I found out it was the ignition coil (simple to replace) and after that it works great!!
So I have the same mower you do almost. I did this whole oil change and upgraded the seals and covers. I had oil coming out of both vent holes and the reservoir filled just over half. I jacked it up and the right wheel will not move at all. I am thinking vapor lock but the oil is coming out of the vent so what do I do now? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks
I suggest unhooking the full tube, put your vent plugs back in and just manually add fluid as your bleed the hydro with a funnel. They are tricky to get all the air out.
@@MowerMike I will give that a try thank you!
@@hroboys3817 You unscrew the fitting the fill line fills through and just hold the funnel right above it where you can see it pouring in . That way you know it is bleeding
make sure reservoir and frame are level when you fill, made a huge difference for me
Any input on a JD 265 riding mower that has weak forward and weak reverse? Dealer tried replacing the hygard fluid and filter but it’s still so weak even the slightest hill stops it. I checked the linkage and it’s functioning fine all the way forward and back. I jacked up the rear wheels put it in forward/reverse and I can stop both wheels with my hands 😳
Man all I know about these I put in the video. Good luck
Losing a small amount of transmission fluid mic every time I cut grass I only have to pour a little bit and the reservoir to get it back up about 1/8 of an inch but every time I lose some what could that be
Just keep a bottle on ya, hydro gear oil is good for grass.
I have rzt l won't go forward or turn onleft side suggestions please
Everything I know about how to fix these is in that video. Good luck
How do I tell if my hydro is going bad in my zero turn?
When they go slower and start whining
So I guess I can’t change mine since I have no reservoir fill up top? One less thing to do 🤠
Oh you can but is a PIA, I have a video on it but I wouldn’t worry about it just run it.
Took like 2 hours to get 4 qt of fluid in a mower omg that sucks.
Yep complete PIA, is why I take the fill tube off and fill it direct into the trans.
@@MowerMike That would have been a better option for sure will definitely do that next time.
Bullshit you can serve Them
Isn’t that what I did in the video?