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- Rome's greatest rival was Carthage, a once-thriving empire that was mercilessly extinguished in the flames of Roman conquest. This documentary delves into the intricate web of events, betrayals and political intrigue leading to the Third Punic War, a brutal conflict that redefined the ancient Mediterranean world.
Explore the ingenuity of siege warfare, the desperation of a city on the brink, and the ruthless methods employed by Rome to achieve total annihilation.
But our inquiry goes beyond the battlefield. We analyze the political machinations of Cato, the cultural clashes, and the simmering tensions that fueled this centuries-long rivalry. Was Carthage's fate preordained? Was Rome's ruthlessness a calculated strategy or a display of barbarity? This program is a captivating exploration of a pivotal moment in history, offering insights for scholars and history enthusiasts alike.
00:00 - Cato the Elder's War on Greek Philosophy
02:57 - Rome's Baseless Fear of Carthage
6:00 - Manufacturing a War
10:03 - Starving a City
14:15 - Carthago Delenda Est
16:04 - A New World
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The history of the Punic Wars
The rise and fall of empires in the ancient world
The lasting impact of Roman imperialism
The ethical complexities of warfare
The enduring legacy of lost civilizations
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Do you believe that the destruction of Carthage was justified?
No more than Athens.
Yes
certainly not. look at how they merged and assimilated with others and their cultures. even pragmatically, that was tens to hundreds of thousands of tax revenue producers, murdered.
I don’t care if it was justified or not, I only wish it didn’t happen so we could have more surviving Phoenician writings today.
no chance
Tribunate always looking for the perfect opportunity to sprinkle a bit of Cato hate into a video. we love it! I had no idea how sad the destruction of Carthage was. Not to be that person, but I can see a lot of modern parallels in this story!
I'll never pass up on an opportunity to drag Cato (either of them).
The parallels were intentional - it's deeply shameful but these massacres still occur even in our "civilized" modern age.
Cato Delenda Est
theres been a trend of people discussing rome and its fall, and what it could mean for our civilisation. But roman civilisation lasted in some form for 2 millennia and influences us even today. Reading about the fall of carthage always give me an eerie feeling, what if your civilisation was crushed with most people in the future not even knowing it existed
Rome’s paranoia at Carthage’s continued wealth is slightly more understandable when you remember that this wealth had always been one of their main military advantages since it let them hire mercenaries easily, so if they’d wanted to they could hire a new army in a day, and as Cato’s figs were meant to demonstrate, they could have it at Rome’s doorstep in three
How often do you think about the Roman Empire?
Every time a new Tribunate video drops of course.
Great video, new subscriber!
Thanks for the sub and the positive feedback!
8:35 - "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children" ✊ ☘
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Best roman history channel on youtube🙌
Thank you! That means so much to us
Rome never fell the same way Carthage did. Roman influence is still alive and well while few know anything of the punic state.
You're videos are amazing, and very thought provoking. Just watching them makes it clear how much y'all love history to shed light not only on the victors but the vanquished too
I love your videos. Always giving me new perspectives on things. Some new things to explore from this video. Thank you for your work. Your channel is srsly underrated
Such an interesting video with the narrative it builds as it progresses! You've got a new subscriber!
Thanks, very glad to have you on board!
yayy new video :)
Was on vacation and that knocked us a bit off schedule - we're going to get back to a more consistent upload schedule soon
@@tribunateSPQR that's awesome!
I know the meme is "Men think about the Roman Empire" but I always think about Carthage and how different the world would be if they had won
We'd all be jewish
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That's the first new upload I get after becoming a subscriber, and it's a good one!
As I'm seeing, they always are actually. I've been watching your videos daily, but not too much as to not see all of them and have none left hahah
The narrative is so good and in depth, I love it!
Thanks, really glad you like the content! Going in depth means we don't get them out as often as other channels but we always want to add a unique perspective instead of simply recounting past events.
@@tribunateSPQR it really sounds like a more analytical look on these events, reminiscent of what one might hear in the more critic and up to date academic circles on the topic. One day I'll make time to have good reads about this time period!
And as always, quality > quantity, even though these content platforms will try to convince the creators otherwise.
Salve do Brasil 😄
Very illuminating - shows the horror at the heart of the ancient world
You mean, it shows the horror in our hearts, regardless of the era. We can be directed to commit unspeakable horror, by others or the voices inside our heads.
Love love loooove these videos
Thank you so much!
I think the destruction of Carthage was not justified in any definite way other than in Rome's political, economic and territorial ambitions.
Mago was a Carthaginian scholar who has written at length on the subject of agriculture. His work was picked up and integrated into Roman culture, as Romans usually did with anything useful they came across. The Romans knew the Carthaginians had a worthy culture.
Hannibal, for some reason, after dragging elephants over the Alps, stopped short of sacking Rome itself. The Romans knew the Carthaginians had a worthy military.
When the Romans got their hands on a Carthaginian ship, they found markings on every wooden beam, indicating a systematized and standardized ship-building industry, not unlike a modern Ikea kit. It immensely helped the Roman with building their own navy force.
The Carthaginians were very much developped, socially, culturally, economically and militarily.
My point is, there very well could be an "alternate history timeline" in which Carthage instead of Rome comes out on top. And then there's absolutely no telling how things would've ended up.
I just find it fascinating to ponder about.
Hannibal had very good reasons for not besieging Rome. First, he had no siege equipment. They would have bounced off Rome's walls over and over. Second, there was a considerable Roman army in the area and besieging Rome would have made the Carthaginian army susceptible a two front battle that certainly would have severed all supply chains. So silly when dweebs on the Internet act like they know better than one of the greatest generals of all time.
Carthage lost because leadership failed to support Hannibal and the war. NOT because Hannibal chose not to foolishly sacrifice his army trying to besiege Rome with too small an army with zero siege works.
@@sterlingcampbell2116 Why do so many people online feel it's okay to throw insults at others? Dweeb? Come on, that was totally uncalled for.
@@hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156 You're seriously victimizing over being called a dweeb? Or if it really your comment being called out that's got you defensive? I get that everybody wants to be a victim these days but let's not blow things out of proportion. You can say what you want and I can say what I want.
@@sterlingcampbell2116 It seems you don't like being called out over uselessly insulting others. Must be a recurring behavior on your part. 🙃
just found ur channel love the video subbed keep up the good work sir
Welcome aboard! Thanks for the sub and the kind feedback
Just found your channel, good stuff.
thank you! Glad you found it informative
I'm starting to get the feeling you don't like these Cato guys
Guilty as charged
The loss of the great library at Carthage has deprived us of so much knowledge about the city and the ancient world in general.
Yes - it would be so fascinating to read about the Punic Wars from Carthage's perspective
Carthago delenda est
A really, really good video. Well done mate. But (there's always an irritating one of these, yes?), let's split a few heirs, I mean, hairs. Throughout its existence Carthage was a far more harsh overlord than Rome ever was. Even brother Punic cities like Utica chafed under its rule. The exponential growth of the mercenary army at the end of the first war with Rome did not occur in a vacuum, it happened because of the very profound hatred Carthage's subject peoples held for it. Too, remember that at the end no-one came to Carthage's aid thus making Rome's task considerably easier. Carthage's fate was determined at the end of the second war. If not Cato it would have been some other optimate leading the charge. Finally, the city was not cursed, neither was it strewn with salt (which I don't believe you claimed). The Romans knew a good thing when they saw it. Cheers!
Rome was never going to pass up on the wealth of carthage ...always amazes me of the timelength of these wars ..descendants after descendants
Yeah, that tracks.
One of the only instances of a right wing think tank being honest in their branding
So obsessed were the Romans with destroying Carthage that this city wasn’t rebuilt until the imperial era.
Gaius Gracchus was the first to try but he failed because Romans were still scared to build on the site decades later because they had cursed it.
And that's when the hold sacrifices ended
Carthaginian human sacrifice was unquestionably barbaric, but we must remember that Rome never claimed to be fighting this war to "civilize" Carthage or improve the lot of its citizens. It was always a war of extermination, and the eradication of 650,000 people doubtlessly included hundreds of thousands of children - hard to paint Rome as the more virtuous party if saving the lives of children is our standard.
Furthermore, though Rome had a stated aversion to human sacrifice in reality it embraced public executions for Christians and members of other religious communities that they believed offended Rome's gods. So people were killed to secure continued divine favor which is functionally identical to human sacrifice but just with a few added steps.
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i heard that rome sacrified children to neptune?
It would be quite ironic on a way
Is it legal to accuse Cato of hypocrisy for all his rustic cabbage farmer things when he was a rich slaver with plantations?
I agree, he was probably too stupid to be self aware enough to be considered a hypocrite
@@tribunateSPQR that fits. Most of Rome’s most famous men strike me as being like that. I call the Romans of history and Terrans of 40k “the murder morons” for a reason.
@@mra4521 Apt comparison!
The only competition Cato the elder has for "most successful failure" is Cato the younger
The family certainly had a knack for being remembered the way they wanted to, regardless of the actual facts
Very appreciative of the unapologetically leftist history presented here. Few TH-cam history creators dare to bring a critical lens to this area of history or to draw modern parallels.
Thank you - we feel that the modern perspective is required, not just to make sense of the past but to show why it is relevant for the present
Romans annihilated the wrong enemy.
Who was the right enemy
It looks like today in palestine.
The resilience of Palestine ensures its enduring existence, marking a significant distinction.
No. Not even close.
Well, it looks like Palestine if the attitudes of the Rome and Carthage were reversed, but not their relative power.
It's Hamas that believes "Judea delenda est" and keeps trying to attempt it despite being at a clear military disadvantage.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 It's quite amusing to see the IDF constantly struggling with their military disadvantage. They can't seem to achieve any of their objectives and have yet to secure a single victory. Every offensive they launch is swiftly halted by the resistance, leaving them in a state of embarrassment. Meanwhile, Hezbollah keeps raining rockets on their occupied northern Palestine, causing Zionist settlements to be abandoned left and right. The world is growing more and more disgusted by these so-called Zionist entities, who claim victimhood while committing acts of genocide. Your old tricks won't work anymore, and it's just a matter of time before you European Jews go back to where you came from. Palestine will be liberated, and even Haaretz themselves have admitted that defeat is inevitable.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 The roots of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians go back to the Nakba of 1948 when European Jews displaced Palestinians from their land, leading to the establishment of Hamas in 1989 during the first intifada to resist this oppression.
The narrative that this conflict began recently is misleading, as it has deep historical roots that date back to the displacement of Palestinians from their homes and the creation of refugee camps.
Hamas was formed as a response to the violence and injustice inflicted on the Palestinian people, aiming to protect civilians and resist the occupation of their lands by Israel.
The idea that Palestinians would not fight back against oppression is false, as Hamas was established to defend their rights and work towards the liberation of their lands from Israeli occupation. The propaganda spread by Hasbara bots like yourself to justify their actions is no longer convincing to the public at large, as the truth about the historical injustices faced by Palestinians is becoming more widely known.
"Rome has the right to defend itself from Punic terrorists! Besides, we are the chosen people of Jupiter, the Sibylline books say so!"
- Cato, probably
I would imagine he said something very similar to this
Dear Tribunate;
You get a D- for accuracy.
If the Punic wars where 'Massacres' as you claim;
Then how do you explain Hannibal's rampage through Italy?
Moreover, the Punic Wars existed in a historical context:
The Carthaginians succeeded the Phoenecians after the Assyrian conquest of Phoenecia.
In the years leading up to the Punic wars, the Phoenecians* monopolised trade,
in the Mediteranean sea.
Which wasn't all 'teaching the Greeks how to write' as I like to call it.
Rather, they where a menace onto the Great Sea.
Of course they had innocent civilians too, there is no doubt about it.
But those who represented them where ,politley put, ruthless businessmen.
War is ugly, and yes, civilians where slaughtered, but the war rid us of the Punic Racket.
3:59 ~Carthage was a rump state~: How did they lay claim to Spanish silvermines then?
Either they bought them; in which case this was an exceptionally wealthy rump state.
Or they conquered it; in which case they had an army.
4:22 "It did not focus on militarism": WTF!?
How did Hanibal git gud @ Pwning Italian n00bs then?
4:30 "Cato lusted after the city's wealth":
This comes from Steve Rick's Carthage or some pisspoor National Geographic documentary.
You can't be serious.
Carthage was to the Romans as the Germans are to the French.
4:59 "Remarkably soon as Carthage finished paying it's indemnety to Rome":
The whole war began over some disputed silvermines pleading Rome for help.
Silvermines exploited to pay Carthages massive debts.
O.S.P also point to Hanibal wanting revenge.
Yes, there may have been intrigue, for wealth and such but professing that meant political suicide.
5:34 "Their excuses for war, quickly collapse into shallow sophistry".
Didn't Bush use simmilar incidents to declare war on the Middle East**;
Don't underestimate the power of rhetoric my dear.
5:59 Something about wars of agression ~Look I can't be bothered to quote your exact words~
So, 9/11 did not endanger the stability of the USA?
6:00 Wow, something that may resemble actual history here.
Yes indeed, the Romans did neglect to aid the Carthaginians.
8:13 "The ghosts of Hannibal still roamed in the Roman psuche"
How could that be; Wasn't the third Punic war; Hannibal's war?
I could be wrong here, but such do I remember the events.
8:29 "Carthage had layed the groundwork for peacefull coexistance"
Please cite your sources.
Maybe you are refering to Aristotle's Politics here.
To my knowledge Carthage was an Oligarchy. ~So run like a business~
9:30 "The Romans had an unstoppable military machine"
Hence they got defeated by king Purros of Epuros.
Arogance is a weakness.
9:46 "Carthage hoped to shed the bloodletting of the past"
There is no evidence for that whatsoever, since the Carthaginian language has been destroyed.
So, there are no surviving contemporary records made by the Carthaginians.
All we have about them are the Punic Stele, found all over the Mediteranean, which are contracts.
Nota bene: most of these stele are Punic and not Carthaginian.
10:13 "The Romans where not above playing on the Carthaginian desire for peace"
Yes, a former emire, run by oligarchs, which was defeated, is now pacifist.
What are your sources; my good sir.
10:30 That is true
11:44 "By demanding the Carthaginians leave their ancestral homelands"
Where is Phoenecia mister? Its modern name is Lebanon!
Still, you have a point that it is a ridiculous demand.
12:00 "They had to abandon their maritime traditions"
Or they could move to Djerba, Tripoli or litteraly any other Punic colony scattered all over the mediteranean.
13:53 "But neither did the Romans ~distinguish between combatant and civilian~"
Then how come Jewish civilians during the Bar Kochba revolt, prefer the Romans over the other factions present?
Admittedly, Josephus is a propagandist, and a much later source, but still.
Also look up the 'Class War' for the good way the Romans treated Sabines, Samnites ETC.
14:00 "There is no reasoning with an enemy so conditioned by hate and fear"
I forgot who wrote : maintaining dicipline after storming a city is nearly impossible.
15:26 "A life of captivity at the hands of brutal Roman overseers"
Despite the fact they could buy their freedom, and would be freed after ~15 years of slavery.
15:45 ~Cathage was burnt~ Indeed.
17:40 "That Rome wasn't a civilisation favoured by the Gods, but merely an acending power'
Just read Plato's allegory of Atlantis:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis#Plato's_dialogues
18:00 "Cato would have been repulsed by this sentiment"
Hence he based his entire career on this very sentiment:
That Craving leads to Sloth, Sloth leads to Comfort, Comfort leads to Decadence, Decadence to Destruction.
*Carthaginians where largely Phoenecian in ethnicity, much like how Americans are largely English.
**Which Bush you may ask; The Republican one of course!
Hannibal was in the Second Punic War. The Third Punic War was fought like forty years after Hannibal's death.
@@Adsper2000 All right, my bad.
Thanks for refreshing my memory.
I don’t know why this sounds like an ancient scenario of America and some Middle East nation. It’s just wonderful how strongest empire of every civilization consider a very minority entity threatening to their existence 😁
Cato was antisemitic. The Punics were a prosperous Semetic people who the Romans envied.
that's not what that means
@@iverstylen5829 Netnyahu and his zionist gangs are just like Cato