Murder in Rome: Cicero’s Most Famous Case

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  • @tribunateSPQR
    @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +36

    What is your favorite moment from the life of Cicero?

    • @Ancient__Wisdom
      @Ancient__Wisdom ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Has to be the Philippics!

    • @StanGB
      @StanGB ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Cataline conspiracy

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      His prosecution of Verres, who crucified a Roman citizen by the name of Publius Gavius. Crucifixion wasn't just nailing to a cross, it also involved seating the crucified astride a large horn-shaped peg, which was oriented vertically like a rhinoceros 🦏 horn.

    • @FOXNEWSDEATHCULT
      @FOXNEWSDEATHCULT ปีที่แล้ว +8

      the time he wrote a poem about his own consulship that was comically self aggrandizing

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@FOXNEWSDEATHCULT Almost everything he did was comically self-aggrandizing

  • @michaeladu6120
    @michaeladu6120 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    You, sir, cannot imagine how much you've reignited my love for Roman history. As a black man, in recent years, I've grown fed up with all the dog-whistling and chauvinism present in the online community of Roman history lovers. It's so refreshing seeing someone actually care about the history and not the modern-day politics that surrounds it.

    • @kingeddiam2543
      @kingeddiam2543 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Historia Civilis is the best roman political history channel on TH-cam imo, I highly recommend

    • @LucasDimoveo
      @LucasDimoveo หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Hi! There are so few of us around 😅. Roman history feels radioactive these days. Channels like this are a gem

    • @illerac84
      @illerac84 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kingeddiam2543
      Adrian Goldsworthy has a small channel as well that I enjoy.

    • @Bolognabeef
      @Bolognabeef 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Never understood why Nazis feel they're connected in any way to Rome. Romans despised Germans, their clumsiness, their cowardice of attacking only with overwhelming numbers, and their backwardness.
      And Romans weren't racist, everyone could be Roman.

    • @jamesgrant9779
      @jamesgrant9779 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Don’t worry, the legacy of Rome will long outlast the flash in the pan that is toxic modern politics.

  • @nicholasturner7931
    @nicholasturner7931 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Actually Cicero never accused Sulla of anything , only stating that anyone with a number of slaves or freedmen are bound to have a dishonest one. He went after Sulla ‘s freedman chrysogonus . Cicero wasn’t crazy he knew he could never accuse the dictator but his Greek freedman was a different story.Cicero didn’t even insinuate Sulla was knowingly turning a blind eye to actions of his freedman.

  • @tatata1543
    @tatata1543 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    Fun fact: Cicero was pronounced as “Kikero” by the Romans.

    • @radfordmcawesome7947
      @radfordmcawesome7947 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      yep, and "Caesar" as "Kaisar"... literally where the German word "Kaiser" comes from

    • @rikhenry9701
      @rikhenry9701 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      was that because he got KICKED OUT OF ROME, HAHA, ZING!!!

    • @SafetySpooon
      @SafetySpooon 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And it was "SUH-la" NOT "SOH-la"

  • @thecjbrowne
    @thecjbrowne ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Wow, what an incredible analysis of Cicero's life and impact on the late Roman Republic! This video dives deep into the intricacies of Cicero's role in history and his contributions as a prominent figure during the transition from the Republic to the Empire.
    Cicero's legacy truly stands out in a time that featured some of the most influential and noteworthy individuals in world history, including Caesar, Augustus, Cleopatra, and Pompey. The video eloquently captures how Cicero not only stood alongside these giants but also towered over them in some aspects.
    The focus on Cicero's surviving works and their diversity showcases the wealth of material that provides insight into his life and the era he lived in. It's fascinating to learn about how his speeches and literary output were highly regarded in his lifetime and continued to be revered by subsequent generations.
    The video also delves into Cicero's political strategies and opportunistic nature, highlighting his willingness to work with various factions to further his own interests. His daring move to challenge Sulla's dictatorship as a young and unknown man demonstrates his courage and determination to make a mark in Roman politics.
    The narration excellently emphasizes the significance of Cicero's defense of Sextus Roscius and the complex web of corruption, intrigue, and power struggles that surrounded the case. The portrayal of the Roman legal system and the challenges Cicero faced in defending his client is both informative and engaging.
    The video does a fantastic job of contextualizing Cicero's eloquence and oratorical skills, showcasing how he skillfully wove legal arguments with subtle criticisms and intricate reasoning to win over his audience. The speaker's appreciation for Cicero's mastery of persuasion is evident throughout.
    The narrative also brings attention to the tragic fate that befell Cicero as the Republic crumbled and the triumvirs rose to power. The way the video paints the picture of Cicero's ultimate demise and the absence of voices willing to challenge injustice is both poignant and thought-provoking.
    In conclusion, this video provides a comprehensive and engaging exploration of Cicero's life, impact, and the tumultuous era of the late Roman Republic. The narrator's insightful commentary, combined with the video's well-paced visuals, offers a captivating journey through history. If you're interested in Roman history, political intrigue, and the power of eloquence, this video is definitely worth watching.

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you liked the video!

    • @sweetbass3360
      @sweetbass3360 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ChatGPT review? Really bubba?

  • @saeidnourian4237
    @saeidnourian4237 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Incredible story! Thanks for telling it! Always a fan of your channel

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @stevetrail2307
    @stevetrail2307 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Everyone should read Cicero’s “On the Good Life.” It contains more wisdom than any book I’ve ever read.

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +20

      There’s so much to gain from reading him - just so long as you can avoid reading the original Latin

    • @GregoryShtevensh
      @GregoryShtevensh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I loved him in HBOs ROME.
      He seemed tempered unlike anyone else in the senate

    • @vanbeet5105
      @vanbeet5105 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Where can i find a copy

    • @sinkincones8130
      @sinkincones8130 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vanbeet5105a bookstore mate

    • @joeelliott2157
      @joeelliott2157 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Is it too late for Donald Trump to read "On the Good Life"? Yes, it probably is.

  • @SKILLIUSCAESAR
    @SKILLIUSCAESAR 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Idk how I’m just seeing this channel! Loving these vids

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, glad you're enjoying them!

  • @m.m.888.m
    @m.m.888.m ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video was so engaging and enjoyable. Thank you so much! Definitely earned a subscriber 🌟

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!

  • @cormacglynn2995
    @cormacglynn2995 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video, love the narrating style.

  • @larskaaber9869
    @larskaaber9869 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As Cicero said, "the life of the dead is set in the memory of the living" - and this video is a great epitaph for a very brave Roman.

  • @ldamoff
    @ldamoff ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I reckon the world could do with a few more men who aspire to be like Cicero.

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes - so long as they aren't lawyers

    • @thebalj-
      @thebalj- 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tribunateSPQRwhat’s wrong with lawyers

  • @Ancient__Wisdom
    @Ancient__Wisdom 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If only modern lawyers were anything like Cicero

  • @UnionBlue-h8e
    @UnionBlue-h8e 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    “Laws are silent in war”
    -Cicero
    This quote was used to describe the Mexican American war in a book called the “war with Mexico reviewed “ by Abiel Livermore, and describes the contradictions of that unjust war between two Christian nations. There’s a lot of Greek and Roman references, about the decline of the Roman Empire, and of the lesser known history and facts of that war, which was considered the most unjust war ever recorded on the pages of history. Figured the Cicero references would be interesting to someone or the Roman references as well

    • @JoeRogansForehead
      @JoeRogansForehead 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Clearly you’ve never heard of the lobster wars

  • @cerberus6654
    @cerberus6654 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've read and re-read his letters to Atticus and Cicero's humanity - tremendously flawed at times - is so obvious. I like him, in the same way I like Churchill or Voltaire.

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The obvious heartbreak over his daughter’s death is gut wrenching to read even 2000 years later

    • @cerberus6654
      @cerberus6654 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tribunateSPQRYes, I completely agree. You feel in such a timeless sense the depth of his grief over his loss of Tullia.

  • @Qba86
    @Qba86 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The way Cicero attacked Chrysogonus was also interesting. He didn't focus on how ruthless and dangerous Chrysogonus was, as this was an open secret and the reason why many jurors probably feared him. Instead, Cicero mocked his supposedly effeminate behaviour, thus easing said fears.

  • @davidhull1481
    @davidhull1481 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thank you for this. In my understanding, at the time his name would have been pronounced Kikero, and Caesar pronounced like Kaiser. It’s weird to us now to say it like that, and it feels more natural to use the soft c sound. Why is that?

    • @michaelfeinerman4878
      @michaelfeinerman4878 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Because of centuries of sloppy, lazy ecclesiastical pronunciation.

  • @subhanusaxena7199
    @subhanusaxena7199 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is a great retelling of the trial of Sextus Roscius with a twist in Steven Saylor's first Roma Sub Rosa book Roman Blood

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thats quite the muder mystery! Well maybe not so mysterious 😉

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Granted that our facts on the case come from Cicero’s oration, but it’s still crazy that this was even brought to trial

  • @tylerleebrooke
    @tylerleebrooke 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Were they not very smart or did they not care about how blatant the corruption was?

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      There was not as much of a societal pressure for equality before the law. It was expected that those at the top would be permitted a bit more leeway in how they handled their affairs.

  • @saeidnourian4237
    @saeidnourian4237 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I feel like I missed something. The details of how he won the case was omitted it seems. Other than that, great video.

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Unfortunately we were pressed for time and had to skim over the finer details of his oration, here's a link if you want to give it a read: www.attalus.org/cicero/s_roscius.html

    • @saeidnourian4237
      @saeidnourian4237 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tribunateSPQR thanks your reply. I'll be sure to read the full story in your link

  • @tlewis171
    @tlewis171 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1st new man as consul in 80 years? G. Marius first elected in 107, so 43 years earlier; I don't recall if there were any others in that 80 year period

  • @m.streicher8286
    @m.streicher8286 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pro Roscio Amerino reminds me of a video essay. Longer than it needed to be yet captivating throughout

  • @f1nalgambit381
    @f1nalgambit381 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good vid

  • @vikingodin1986
    @vikingodin1986 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Gordianus found it all out

    • @tribunateSPQR
      @tribunateSPQR  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Roman Blood is a great book!

  • @melissahalle8398
    @melissahalle8398 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    His best text is Pro Caelio in my opinion

  • @tonydecastro6340
    @tonydecastro6340 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    unfortunately, the video does not really tell us the effects of this Ciceronian victory for the accused. what then happened?

  • @kelleygreengrass
    @kelleygreengrass 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those poor animals 😢

  • @AxelPoliti
    @AxelPoliti 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Genial the comparison with the Capitol's dome...

  • @RogueSabre
    @RogueSabre หลายเดือนก่อน

    A well throughout speech is just that. A great amalgamation of letters formed into words that could possibly form sentences that perhaps moves people, ideally into some sort of action. This is the best possible outcome of a pure orator. However, military conquest with a loyal army with a bone to pick against a system that for decades marginalized the small land owning farming population as well as the urban plebeins who had power through the Trubuins that were grantors of their political power. A patron system of tens of thousands of disenfranchised soldiers and plebs urbana would inevitably rise on behalf of a national hero, who conquered enough land/people to guarantee prosperity for every man who followed him.

  • @kffire12
    @kffire12 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For a culture that abhorred Patricide, its interesting that the mythology their inherited is built on both the Titanarchy and the overthrown of the Titans by their children the Gods. It's a whole history of patricide!

  • @hedgehog3180
    @hedgehog3180 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ace Attorney Rome.

  • @mauromasterx
    @mauromasterx หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He literally bought the witnesses

  • @norman_hall_iii
    @norman_hall_iii 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This video had to be made by Historia Civilis’s guy.

  • @saigonmonopoly1105
    @saigonmonopoly1105 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    he wont join them so they walk 2his adobe killed him with a club/?

  • @danlhendl
    @danlhendl 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pompeys funny looking dont you think?

  • @robertbaldwin5771
    @robertbaldwin5771 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cicero - Rome's fake news

  • @geogavino
    @geogavino ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was Cicero the first new man to reach the consulship in 80 years? I thought Marius was Novus Homo.

  • @Vito-yp5wh
    @Vito-yp5wh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    More certain=BAD ENGLISH

  • @igregmart
    @igregmart 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cicero was a real yapper, but Julius Caesar achieved great things. Men of action are far more influential in history than men of words.

    • @jeremyc2957
      @jeremyc2957 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Calling Cicero "a real yapper" is like calling the civil wars of the late republic "a messy disagreement". It's not exactly wrong, but it misses the mark by a fair amount.

  • @zacharydickerson1255
    @zacharydickerson1255 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Clicked on it.
    Remembered this creator’s leftist rhetoric.
    Moving on.

    • @uwu_smeg
      @uwu_smeg หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      imagine being so heavily immersed in your ideology that you refuse to listen to anyone that has different views than you, even when the topic is completely unrelated to any kind of politics

    • @Teutius
      @Teutius 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@uwu_smegTo think history can be viewed without the lens of ideology is foolish.