Also, if u want some old lore about big characters like yawgmoth and the halcyons the spice 8 rack has a great video about the lore and the underlying themes
Book recs: - The Brothers' War, by Jeff Grubb. A good time to pick it up what with a(nother) set dedicated to it. - The Ice Age trilogy, also by Jeff Grubb. Comparatively self-contained and a good exploration of how the five-colour magic system is understood diegetically. - The Thran, by J. Robert King. In many ways a prologue for many of the original concepts of Magic, and if you want Phyrexian deep lore, you got it here. - Chainer's Torment, by Scott McGough. The middle book of the Odyssey trilogy, but also a tight character piece showing the rise and fall of an aspiring dementia summoner, with the best line I remember from magic lore: "My name is Skellum, and I wear a silly hat."
Will admit, Artifacts Cycle 1 and 2 are really good reads, the books are The Thran and The Brothers War in Cycle 1. Then Planeswalkers, Time Streams and Bloodlines in Cycle 2. and aside from The Thran, it's mostly about Urza
There are few stories that you missed: 1.the" Kamigawa Vignettes" which are not available on the mothership but can still be found on the internet archive and you can find the links to them on the wiki, they are not relevant to any plot but are the inspiration to most of the sagas in Neon Dynasty and I personally very enjoyed reading them. 2. "Children of the nameless" by Brandon Sanderson it was supposed to be free but got removed from the mothership (it's still available in some websites though) it's a very good book that won't require any knowledge on magic's story and setting up things that will probably get more important in the far future 3."The Gathering Storm" the prequel to war of the spark and it's honestly a nice book but might not worth your time because of how bad war of the spark novella's are 4. there were also short stories releasing between 2006-2012 under the column "savor the flavor" they are not important to the larger magic story but have some nice stories 5. For every set since Lorwyn there is a Planeswalker's guide which isn't a real story but it helps a lot to understand it
i love this video so much. i've played (or vaguely kept up with) magic since 2008, and even then, i feel like a perpetual novice, like there's always more stuff that i don't know yet. this channel fkn rules. cant wait to see more of your content
Funny, Wizards of the coast could make a lot of money if they just get their story together and make one huge ebook or audio book instead of putting stuff all over the place. Thanks for the video
I guess I'm old school, but I miss getting books in the fat packs... Nothing like a dead tattooed tree carcass to get the imagination going to know the lore behind the cardboard! I own 37 mtg books so far, and I've a found a few of the older ones in used books shops and thrift stores, some in great condition for only $2 to $5! Now its just a fun quest to finish out my collection without breaking the bank. Darn you Pokemon at young age fueling my addiction to collect things!
good stuff mate! seems like a perfect fit (to me) for a crossover with either spice8rack or mtg remy. i feel you guys are the good sense of humor, all the mtg community (and wotc...) needs. stay the way you are and thank you.
This was a very good video, and I agree that Khans of Tarkir is probably a great place to start, but I feel like I should ask: Why did you not enjoy In the Teeth of Akoum? I rather enjoyed that one, especially Sorin's particular brand of trollery throughout.
It says they started online short stories. Does this give all the groundwork for future publications and the whole story? Or do you still have to be familiar with previous books?
@@FishMTG Thanks But I'm still a bit confused. So there's that list of Magic stories that start with Odric in Innistrad. Does everything start from there and get fleshed out as the story goes? Like learning about all the settings and getting introduced to all the characters and their backstories. Is there like a more detailed summary of the story leading up to current storyline? As I understand it, Dominaria is like the central setting and plane. Everything starts off from there. I guess there was an invasion from phyrexia. And I think a planeswalker Karen defeated the boss. But he got a dormant symbiotic injection. So personal plane got infected and consumed. And turned into Mirroden. So I guess phyrexians came back. I honestly don't really know.
@@seeess925 short answer: no. Long answer: the only way to get the entire story is to read the entire story. This is clearly unfeasible. So you can kind of just jump in wherever. The best places to jump in are Khans or Zendikar. You can find story recaps all over TH-cam for various plots or just skip them entirely and take the stories at their face value
I haven't read In the Teeth of Akoum, but the guy who wrote it wrote the Scars of Mirrodin novel, The Quest for Karn, and that's the worst book *I've* ever read.
Basically after khans the story just fucking sucked. Before there was sort of a focus. With urza it was the phyrexians and domineria, you also had side things like loweryn and Alara which were kinda self contained. But it's like after khans they did kind of a soft reboot in orgins and it seemed their goal was to do another urza saga but against nicol bolas who has been a scheming background character mostly but then they decided let's throw in the eldrazi plot too and it became sort of a shit show. If I was writing things it would go something like Elspeth koth and Ajani are dealing with the new phrexians. Keep them separate from Jace and his story for now because the phyrexians are a more pressing issue than nicol bolas and his not really all that threatening schemes. Seriously I think a big mistake was mixing these characters which then scrambled their stories, like they both could have been going on near or around the same time as each other and I'm not saying evil dragon wasn't a threat but it seemed like they neglected one issue (phyrexians) and now we got another bad story because wotc feels the need to burn through the story for some reason, I guess to focus back on the eldrazi which is still unresolved or to copy the avengers and Disney star wars some more Hire some fucking writers wotc
Thanks! I've been wondering where to start with Magic lore for quite a while now. Glad to learn the answer is, "don't".
Also, if u want some old lore about big characters like yawgmoth and the halcyons the spice 8 rack has a great video about the lore and the underlying themes
Book recs:
- The Brothers' War, by Jeff Grubb. A good time to pick it up what with a(nother) set dedicated to it.
- The Ice Age trilogy, also by Jeff Grubb. Comparatively self-contained and a good exploration of how the five-colour magic system is understood diegetically.
- The Thran, by J. Robert King. In many ways a prologue for many of the original concepts of Magic, and if you want Phyrexian deep lore, you got it here.
- Chainer's Torment, by Scott McGough. The middle book of the Odyssey trilogy, but also a tight character piece showing the rise and fall of an aspiring dementia summoner, with the best line I remember from magic lore: "My name is Skellum, and I wear a silly hat."
Will admit, Artifacts Cycle 1 and 2 are really good reads, the books are The Thran and The Brothers War in Cycle 1. Then Planeswalkers, Time Streams and Bloodlines in Cycle 2. and aside from The Thran, it's mostly about Urza
The Thran isn't that well written, but it's s good story. Brothers War is so much better.
There are few stories that you missed:
1.the" Kamigawa Vignettes" which are not available on the mothership but can still be found on the internet archive and you can find the links to them on the wiki, they are not relevant to any plot but are the inspiration to most of the sagas in Neon Dynasty and I personally very enjoyed reading them.
2. "Children of the nameless" by Brandon Sanderson it was supposed to be free but got removed from the mothership (it's still available in some websites though) it's a very good book that won't require any knowledge on magic's story and setting up things that will probably get more important in the far future
3."The Gathering Storm" the prequel to war of the spark and it's honestly a nice book but might not worth your time because of how bad war of the spark novella's are
4. there were also short stories releasing between 2006-2012 under the column "savor the flavor" they are not important to the larger magic story but have some nice stories
5. For every set since Lorwyn there is a Planeswalker's guide which isn't a real story but it helps a lot to understand it
The first war of the spark book is fine. Nothing special but fine. The second is dogshit and should be avoided at all costs
i love this video so much. i've played (or vaguely kept up with) magic since 2008, and even then, i feel like a perpetual novice, like there's always more stuff that i don't know yet.
this channel fkn rules. cant wait to see more of your content
Funny, Wizards of the coast could make a lot of money if they just get their story together and make one huge ebook or audio book instead of putting stuff all over the place. Thanks for the video
I read the trilogy about Kamigawa, I really liked those books. They were focused on Toshiro Umezawa
There are also a lot of TH-cam channels that cover mtg lore. Aetherhub has a huge back log of stories he's covered.
I guess I'm old school, but I miss getting books in the fat packs... Nothing like a dead tattooed tree carcass to get the imagination going to know the lore behind the cardboard! I own 37 mtg books so far, and I've a found a few of the older ones in used books shops and thrift stores, some in great condition for only $2 to $5! Now its just a fun quest to finish out my collection without breaking the bank. Darn you Pokemon at young age fueling my addiction to collect things!
good stuff mate! seems like a perfect fit (to me) for a crossover with either spice8rack or mtg remy. i feel you guys are the good sense of humor, all the mtg community (and wotc...) needs. stay the way you are and thank you.
Awesome video! I appreciate the work you do on them! Solid.
I did #4 and it was a really enjoyable journey!
This was a very good video, and I agree that Khans of Tarkir is probably a great place to start, but I feel like I should ask: Why did you not enjoy In the Teeth of Akoum? I rather enjoyed that one, especially Sorin's particular brand of trollery throughout.
I imagine kor milk cheese might be one reason.
I'd also reccomend that there's a free audio version of The Thran on TH-cam
For me, i'm a fun of the whole Urza shit until Apocalypse lore, good stuff
Great stuff keep it up Fish!
just discovered ur channel and i love youre mtg content so far!!
I'm surprised that there was no mention of branderson sanderson's Children of the Nameless, aq book you should pirate because wizards are a**holes
Is a time limited free online release before a print version (with a portion of the proceeds going to charity) really so weird?
@@DimT670 yes when a famous author writes it for free under the condition that it not be monetized
Wow, even Mtg story is convoluted and confusing for beginners too😵💫
It says they started online short stories. Does this give all the groundwork for future publications and the whole story? Or do you still have to be familiar with previous books?
You don’t but it helps. I cover the few things you have to know to start from Khans or Zendikar.
@@FishMTG Thanks But I'm still a bit confused. So there's that list of Magic stories that start with Odric in Innistrad. Does everything start from there and get fleshed out as the story goes? Like learning about all the settings and getting introduced to all the characters and their backstories.
Is there like a more detailed summary of the story leading up to current storyline?
As I understand it, Dominaria is like the central setting and plane. Everything starts off from there. I guess there was an invasion from phyrexia. And I think a planeswalker Karen defeated the boss. But he got a dormant symbiotic injection. So personal plane got infected and consumed. And turned into Mirroden. So I guess phyrexians came back. I honestly don't really know.
@@seeess925 short answer: no.
Long answer: the only way to get the entire story is to read the entire story. This is clearly unfeasible. So you can kind of just jump in wherever. The best places to jump in are Khans or Zendikar. You can find story recaps all over TH-cam for various plots or just skip them entirely and take the stories at their face value
Damn, you talk about MtG stuff, call out homophobia, and have a soothing voice? Its like your content is made for me.
Love your vids pal !! more pls haha
I really like your videos! ^^
Oojin.
Jk, love your content. Hope you continue for a long time.
Wait I am confused.... Is Zendikar Rising a reboot?
Is it still possible to catch up on the full story after the mothership relocation?
You can still access everything from Khans I know for certain. Before that its a total crapshoot
@@FishMTG :( I hope that the wayback machine has the missing ones.
They already did a 40k collaboration so maybe WoTC can borrow some writers from GamesWorkshop 😑 and The Black Library
Karn is cool
I haven't read In the Teeth of Akoum, but the guy who wrote it wrote the Scars of Mirrodin novel, The Quest for Karn, and that's the worst book *I've* ever read.
Ice Age novels need to be more appreciated
Read everything, doesnt matter if its bad
Someone didn’t like their fan fiction ruined
Basically after khans the story just fucking sucked. Before there was sort of a focus. With urza it was the phyrexians and domineria, you also had side things like loweryn and Alara which were kinda self contained. But it's like after khans they did kind of a soft reboot in orgins and it seemed their goal was to do another urza saga but against nicol bolas who has been a scheming background character mostly but then they decided let's throw in the eldrazi plot too and it became sort of a shit show.
If I was writing things it would go something like Elspeth koth and Ajani are dealing with the new phrexians. Keep them separate from Jace and his story for now because the phyrexians are a more pressing issue than nicol bolas and his not really all that threatening schemes. Seriously I think a big mistake was mixing these characters which then scrambled their stories, like they both could have been going on near or around the same time as each other and I'm not saying evil dragon wasn't a threat but it seemed like they neglected one issue (phyrexians) and now we got another bad story because wotc feels the need to burn through the story for some reason, I guess to focus back on the eldrazi which is still unresolved or to copy the avengers and Disney star wars some more
Hire some fucking writers wotc