Ex-Labour MP Thangam Debbonaire: Party’s ‘lack of a strong narrative’ on Gaza ‘had consequences’
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- As the Green Party quadrupled its quota of MPs in last week's general election, Shadow Culture Secretary Thangam Debbonaire was one of the casualties.
She was turfed out from the Bristol constituency she'd held for nearly decade.
In her first interview since her defeat, she has spoken exclusively to Cathy Newman about how she thinks Keir Starmer's position on the Gaza conflict led to her losing.
And she comes clean on whether the new Prime Minister has reached out to her since last Thursday's vote.
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Her lack of self-reflection is indicative of why she lost. Forget hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in Gaza, that billboard was really mean 😭
What is black September?
Hundreds of thousands of dead civilians? You mean the Arab victims of Arab Muslims in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Sudan and Libya? Sorry it is actually millions at this point.
On the contrary. Her interview was one of self-reflection. She admitted that she knew that she was going to loose her seat back in November down mainly to the Labour Party's ill judged shift on the £28bn renewable energy pledge. She abstained from the first vote on Gaza because it did not contain the return of Israeli hostages. She then voted for 2 motions that called for immediate ceasefire, return of hostages and recognition of the Palestinian State. The position adopted by the Labour Party long before the election was called. But yet the Green party ran a vile false campaign accusing her of genocide and of being complicit with the murder of innocent children. And falsely stating that she did not support an ceasefire -knowing full well that she did. So she failed the Gaza purity test waged by the Owen Jones and Stephen Flynn Taliban. She lost her seat. Independent candidates won 4 seats.The Labour Party won 412. The SNP with Stephen Flynn's Gaza virtue signalling lost the SNP 38 out of their 49 seats. The dishonest Greens got 4 seats in affluent parts of England. None in Scotland and None in Wales. Lets see what they actually do to advocate for the people of Gaza or people suffering elsewhere in the world like the black Africans in Sudan.
@@timloo6191Its when Amazon have a big sale on 🤪
@@LondGWilsLabour Bot alert
Lack of a strong narrative, or lack of a morally consistent position? I'll never forget Keir saying "Israel does have that right"... and the Labour people who came out to defend the statement
Totally, Channel 4 are totally failing to call out Keir's anti-Palestinian racism (which should lead to his suspension from the Labour party) and his lies and hypocrisy regarding Dianne Abbott.
@@muzammal-hlike what being done in south east asia
@@muzammal-h Keir Starmer racist? well, that's new.
@@DEVRIMCI2007 It's not new. It's just that within the hierarchy of racism within the Labour Party... it 'doesn't register.
I dunno, I think the way Starmer supported the collective punishment of Gaza, has continued to support "Israel's" massacres against Palestinians, how he celebrated the mass killing of 300 Palestinians to save 4 "Israeli" hostages and then how he voted against a ceasefire made his narrative on Gaza very clear.
absolutely. For this fantasist it's all about "the message". How to convince ourselves and everyone else that what we really meant when justifying endless massacres on the grounds of Israel's right to "self-defence" was that there should be a ceasefire. Goof riddance to bad rubbish.
Yeah man ......must learn from one political party in Malaysia. Parti seislam malaysia stands on nons are legendary
She is claiming that her opponents lied about her not voting for a cease fire, then admitted that she did not vote for a cease fire because it did not mention the hostages. Also she lied about cease fire motions not mentioning the Hostages! This women is a liar who should not be anywhere near Parliament! I am glad she lost her seat!
She did not lie! She's right in what she said. Labour did vote for a ceasefire! I watched it live! You're the liar!
She only abstained on one motion that didn't mention the hostages. She voted in favour of 2 motions that did mention the hostages.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 asking for the hostages to be released too is surly only fair!?
@@sandrafrancis3631 Which hostages? The Hundred odd Israelis held by Hamas (who have not been killed by Israeli bombs) or the thousands of Palestinians held by Israel, many who have been tortured and starved. Over 50 have died under torture in Israeli custody, and many others have lost limbs due to tight cable ties being used as handcuffs. Many, including Men Women and CHILDREN, also claim to have been raped.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191She didn’t vote for a ceasefire. She voted for a humanitarian pause. She’s dressing that up as a ceasefire to confuse the viewers of this interview. Making the greens out to be liars when really she’s the liar.
So she didn't vote for a ceasefire on a key occasion, then changed her mind when facing pressure, now wants to demand instant forgiveness? Like forgiveness isn't something that politicians should earn from the public
She also plays the victim card and it's nauseating. Her boss told lies non stop and she is affronted that the Green party lied about her record of voting for the ceasefire motion on one occasion lol.
She made a tactical error in her position on Gaza in order to appease her dictatorial boss. The fact that he can’t spell her name after so many years suggests he had very little regard for her at the outset. Hope she learned a very important life lesson.
I'm gutted. Streeting kept his seat
@@Noel-ji8nmyes me too. Wouldn’t it have been wonderful?
Those who vote on the Gaza issue, and not on UK issues have got their priorities wrong. Maybe they should move to Gaza and see what are they actually supporting. And if you are at it bring those non-binary Palestinian flags, and see what the locals think.
@@robicjediYou’re saying it’s right to support British arms companies supplying weapons to Israel to oppress ordinary Palestinians? That is the British issue. Also you should take those non-binary flags through Israel first as that is the only way in.
@@happyn7817 no that is not what I said. Nor the government neither labour support those companies. They are private, and they operate within the law.
It took defeat for her to come to her senses, and just realised that you can’t turn a blind eye on a genocide and you’ll get away with it, without feeling any repercussions….
genocide how loose are you with words, she has the temerity to consider the hostages and you say now she has come to her senses wallop
So she sees politics as a game rather than a role to help and support your community and serve your country. That is why she lost!
What? She said no such thing
The Greens are no friends to women anywhere.
Zarah Sultana kept her seat because she spoke up about Gaza, not gaslighting half measures
Zarah is a useless politician
@@nicksimmons7234She's exceptional. Starmer is the dud recording the worst ever share of the vote for a winning Party.
@@Noel-ji8nm Starmer got a 172 majority, Zara prefers Corbyn that lead Labour to worst defeat since 1935!
@@nicksimmons7234 Starmer had fewer votes (9.7 million) than Corbyn in 2017 (12.9 million) and 2019 (10.2 million).
Her constituents obviously disagree with you. How do you know if she is useless, do you live in Coventry?
She distracted her mother by pointing at imaginary squirrels. Is her mum also her pet dog? The bitterness of loss made her close to tears.
Nobody lied, Thangam Debbonaire's voting record is objective and available for everyone to see. Labour canvassers and it seems Thangam herself are claiming she ALWAYS supported a ceasefire. This is categorically not true. On the first vote for a ceasefire in the commons, Thangam (along with many of her colleagues) ABSTAINED. By all means debate the issues, but don't lie to voters.
Did you watch the video clip? She said clearly in the interview that she DID NOT vote for a ceasefire the first time around because it did not include Israeli hostages. She did not say ALWAYS supported a ceasefire. The Green Party flyers left people with the impression that she did not vote for a ceasefire. That was a half truth which is as good as a lie. Which is precisely what you are doing. She said that she voted for a ceasefire twice and support the creation of a Palestinian State. She also admitted that she knew that she was going to loose the seat in Bristol back in November because of the narrative around Gaza and the scrapping of the Green investment commitment. She is showing class and integrity. Perhaps you can do the same and correct your false remarks. Watch the video!
The Greens lie & lied on more than one occasion & are often merely ignorant.
She was one of his lackeys until she lost her seat...
Two things decided my vote: 1. Only the Greens bothered to come to my doorstep to talk 2. The labour u-turn on investing in a green future. I wish Thangam all the best for the future. She has served Bristol well.
Labour backed away from their pledge because the Tories destroyed the economy. Again.
She lost, Johnathan Ashworth lost and Jess Phillips and Wes Streeting almost lost, because their policy positions are terrible. Just saved you six minutes of your life.
@@AlistairClark99 "Her policy positions were pretty good, as she explains above. A valued 6 minutes." No. She is a dissembler and a bullshitter. I am very happy that she lost.
@@AlistairClark99 privatisation, supporting the 2 child benefit cap, no cancellation of Israeli arms sales, no higher taxes on the super wealthy, if the people of Bristol Central wanted a Tory then they had the option to vote for one. They opted instead for somebody with actual progressive policies. Starmer’s Labour is Tory lite.
@@AlistairClark99 "The other 2 MPs attracted a huge number previously-Tory voters in rural areas". Let me guess, any ex-tory vote for greens show they are really not progressive, but I bet all those ex-tory votes for Labour show how Labour were able to persuade people with good policies and a mature outlook. you are embarrassing
Women of colour said we need a good narrative around Gaza....says it all. The labour party were never veciforously out spoken on saying this is against international law. If you speak from the heart about what is obvious instead of appealing to focus groups the electorate would believe you... you dont need to weave a narrative.
I'm glad the greens won in Bristol central, it'll keep sir flip flop on his toes and provides more voices & momentum pushing towards tackling climate & net zero
War mongering parliamentarians in the Labour party had it so hard campaigning for their seats, imagine the thousands and thousands of Gazans.
Labour lecturing other parties about lying. I think the irony is lost on her.
Can only agree with other comments here, there was a very clear narrative on Gaza, which was that Starmer was perfectly in line with allowing Israel to commit genocide and to expel anyone who objected to their treatment of Palestinians.
Liar.
@@peterdollins3610 Afraid not.
Ouch. She was always on TV constantly being his lackey. That’s got to hurt
It's a very interesting choice of metaphor to compare Labours election win to arranged marriages 🤔
1:41 Unintentionally, she just explained why she lost, although still not admitting or acknowledging it - We know what Labour did, your leader got caught, on the record. So
3:10 playing victim is sick making.
So it's okay to harass and intimidate ? Gaza is a terrible situation but not excuse for spreading hate
@@connormcevoy3237 indeed, especially Jess Phillips campaign, someone went and slashed her friends tyres!
@connormcevoy3237 would you say the same to politicians that were quiet or supporting nazi germany at the time. You can't expect people to be civilised when we know there is a genocide going on
@connormcevoy3237 Except evidence suggests mainstream folks like yourself do think it's okay when it's others - for example, Portslade candidate Tanushka Marah. As for Tory candidates, everyone thought defacement of election posters, etc. a funny meme. So your pomposity isn't balanced.
There's a difference in tone and scale. This example, being challenged (legitimately) for supporting an abhorrence. Then, leveraging status and privilege and on national media pretending the black you supported is now somehow white or never was.
This damsel in distress act has no place in the cut and thrust of politics in an age of war where every political decision, every spin, every obfuscatory line has life or death consequences for millions. This woman does not understand the profound gravity of Labour’s errors.
Hostages versus massacre of civilians daily. Civilians who are already victims of occupation and segregation is not a balanced position
Cannot put one against the other
The people who can change that are the Israeli PM & Biden. No UK Government or PM can do that.
It has a problem over Labour’s POLICY on Gaza, not the presentation of its message
I'm sorry but comparing the Green's approach to campaigning to that of Reform is really unjustified and disengenous. Bristol now has a really strong Green voter base and Carla was a young dynamic candidate. I don't think she would have won even if Gaza hadn't happened. The area had been a Green target for a long time and she was unfortunate to have the seat they stood the highest chance of winning. Without any campaigning the Greens got strong secind places in other Bristol seats. Politics is brutal and people are tired of our two party system. Being a Labour candidate does not entitle you to all of the non Tory vote.
The Greens lie & at times are merely ignorant.
Perhaps she should’ve said these things while campaigning. Sounds a bit bitter now. She could’ve run her own campaign. The only thing she ran was from Owen Jones trying to interview her.
Owen Jones the infantile Left Grifter you mean?
The fact that she grouped tje greens with Reform just shows how warped her ideas are.... glad she is gone as an mp, almost as bad as the like of Jacob Rees Mog
Its accurate to group the Greens, Reform the Tories and Owen Jones for good measure. They all used variants of the same message - Labour will win by a wide margin so you might as well vote for us.
- The Greens put out leaflets that said Vote Green and get Labour. They told deliberate lies about the Labour Party policy and conducted a vile disgusting personal campaign against her.
- The Tories said do not give the Labour Party a super majority. They told lies about Labour tax and spend plans
- The Reform Party said that its a forgone conclusion that Labour would win. They accused Labour Party advocated for open borders
- Owen Jones mirrored the Green Party message that it was safe to vote for Green, Independent Parties and pro Gaza Labour candidates because Labour were going to win by a large margin. A strategy that saw one of the the vilest Tory MPs Ian Duncan Smith returned to Chingford - thanks to Faiza Shaheen. Now Mr Jones is doing a victory lap and pretending that the strategy only needs tweeking and his band of independents numbering 4 could grow by the next Parliament to force the Labour Party into coalition government.
So he was correct to lump them all together (I added Mr Jones).They all used the same tactic. Suppress the Labour vote on the back of an expected landslide win, told lies about the Labour Party policy and then pretended that voting for their respective candidates would allow them to be the voice of opposition that held the Labour government to account.
One might agree with your view that she was not a particularly good MP, she got it spot on with her assessment of where it went wrong for her in Bristol central. That said, the Labour Party still ended up with a majority of 170 after Corbyn who was by the say a great constituency MP but failed inept party leader.
No. They had some common lies.
Starmer had a strong narrative. The problem was that it was founded on lie that has been shattered by an unmistakable brutality.
Calling her clueless is kind.
So bullying and threatening Hoyle had no part in a 'ceasefire' motion? You're better out of parliament - with or without Starmer being able to remember or care how to spell your name.
The best protection is honesty and principle - you have neither.
Pity you're a liar then.
@@peterdollins3610 What part of what I have said is a lie? Substantiate your libel of me or retract it.
Taking about "playbook" and poetry - its just a game to them. She didn't vote for a meaningful motion on ceasefire - stop lying and twisting words.
She did twice. It is in the Parliamentary record. Plus the manifesto that she stood on is absolutely clearly calls for an immediate ceasefire and the creation of a Palestinian State.
She is correct to reference the playbook. You are actually doing the same by using the term "meaningful motion on ceasefire". The Green Party, Reform and the Tory parties all do the same. Flood the zone with half truths or deliberate lies about your opponents policies. But that is politics. The end result is that she lost her seat. Farage and his crew got 5 seats, Greens 4 and Independents 4. Congratulations to them. They played the system. Now compare that with the Labour Party's 412 seats and 170 seat majority. Not bad for a party that did not vote for a meaningful ceasefire - which by the way is false. The war in Gaza is not amongst the top 5 priorities for the vast majority of British voters according the exit poles. So it proved in the general elections.
Is she for real ? What Planet is she on ?
poor wes streeting and jess philips lol give me a break, who cares about your feeling, kids are dying, won't someone please think of the mps lol to get push back from not defending your constituence and not taking moral stances is not harrassment its democracy
We expect Labour to recognise Palestinian state and cutoff funding to Israel
Then you're an idiot.
Starmer gets too much money from pro "Israel" donors for that to happen.
The Israeli lobby has too much influence.
The UK already does recognise
Keir is calling & has called for a Palestinian State.
Awful interview by Cathy Newman. No effort to challenge the narrative being presented.
Not only Gaza but Thangam also has a terrible record backing landlordism and gave little care to the arts as shadow culture secretary. You can lose your seat over incompetence!
She’s still not getting it is she ?
"We do have things in my home country ...." 4 min 29s WTF ?? WTAF ?? What's her home country and why isn't it the UK ??
Good point 👍🏾
She is British and her mother is British. Her father is Indian.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Quite. She was born in Peterborough. So why's she talking about her "home country" as though it's not the UK. ??
Thangam, with respect the Labour Party have been mealy-mouthed about the genocide in Gaza. The Greens offer a more positive prospectus and that speaks to many who are living in poverty, struggling and feel unheard. Labour have a lot to deliver, they need to earn this win. As for your campaign, you refused to engage with some journalists such as Owen Jones - why? You could have made these arguments then about the vote, before the election. Instead, you turned away.
Owen Jones left the Labour party and spent all his time attacking them and telling people not to vote labour, so why should she speak to him!? The Greens are not in power , they were not going to win the election, so they can say what they want! The people who got rid of the Tories were all the people who voted tactically to unseat a Tory m.p. not unseat a labour m.p.! The hard left helped some Tories to keep their seats by splitting the left vote, they also defeated some labour m.p.s on single issues like Gaza and will probably do nothing for their local communities. The Tories have gone, no thanks to the hard left who didn't help to get rid of the worst Tory government ever! The people who got rid of the Tories were all the people who went out and voted Labour and lib dems to get rid of Tories! Now Owen is saying how he feels optimistic and happier.....yes, now that the Tories have gone, no thanks to him!!
Are you having a laugh? Owen Jones might very well be trained as a journalist but he is also an anti Labour activist declared supporter of the Green party with a single mission to exact revenge on the Labour Party leadership for forcing he and the likes of Corbyn from the Labour Party. So do not pretend that she avoided a journalists. Be honest!
Furthermore if you watched the video, she clearly stated that she actually told voters (on the doorstep) that she did vote for a ceasefire twice (albeit not the first time around) but that the voters did not believe it. That's partly due to Labour Party poor messaging and partly Green Party false propaganda (their leaflets lied and put out gross images to shock voters) which they repeated nationally to gain 4 seats in affluent areas such as Bristol Central. Where people are more receptive the climate change agenda. They have no seats in Wales. No seats in Scotland and no seats in any deprive area of England. So its simply for the birds to suggest that they represent anyone living in poverty.
@LondGWils I agree with you! Also Owen Jones was not forced out of the Labour party, he choose to leave because of his disagreements with Labour. He then started a one man war against Labour telling people not to vote labour to vote Green and independent. Owen Jones wanted to unseat T.D. so why should she talk to him? The Tories have gone thanks to all the people who voted Labour and lib dems in order to unseat a Tory! No Thanks to Owen or the hard left who helped to split the left vote helping some Tories keep their seats and unseating some Labour m.p.s! That's all they achieved! The independent candidates who stood on Gaza, I wonder what they will do for their local communities? What will they do to help reduce poverty in their area? Support for Gaza won't help those people! Plus, the IDF and Israel and Hamas or the USA, they couldn't care less what some m.p. in the UK says about Gaza! Even the UK has virtually no power to stop the war in Gaza. If you think the UK government has the power to stop the war in Gaza you're delusional! All we can do is voice concerns and send Aid to help in Palestine, which we're already doing!
@@sandrafrancis3631 Agreed Mr Jones was not forced out in the direct sense. But it became untenable for him to stay. He will fall out with the Greens also. He and Corbyn are wedded to perpetual activism. Starmer has changed the Labour Party to make them ready for government.Lets wish him the best.
@@sandrafrancis3631where to start? You do know Labour actively tried to remove progressive candidates they didn’t like? You do remember the hullabaloo over Dianne Abbott (which they backed away from once they reaped the backlash)? Have you conveniently forgotten those episodes? It was Labour’s self inflicted actions and petty factionalism that split the vote in the Chingford seat. They removed a perfectly good and well liked local candidate to parachute one of their own into the seat. Look at how that turned out. You might not like Owen Jones and what he’s done since leaving the Labour Party but his position at least has been consistent on every point he raised as to why he left. Starmer lied his way to the leadership and will govern I imagine in that vein. The voter turnout was depressingly low and his huge majority will soon evaporate if things don’t improve for the people of this country, particularly if he continues to serve the interests of the establishment elites. Time will vindicate who is right or wrong on these things but my hopes - judging by what I’ve seen these last few years - are not high.
😢don't like her politics, she was a FIERCE FIGHTER but im glad she lost ❤
What a self-centred person out of touch with reality. The horrific daily suffering in Gaza is nothing compared to her loosing her seat
The Labour Party has forgotten the British working class.
Gaza and brexit, stamer doesn't have an idea. His only point was I am not the tories fascist liars.
she should stop playing the cello and start playing tiny violins instead
Labour and conservative parties are more aligned than not, so it doesn't make a difference to british politics who wins between them. This is evidenced, for example, by how the Israel lobby has pernicious influence/hold over both conservative and labour parties as reported in the following videos by 'declassified UK':
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Sir kid staver lost her seat
So glad I helped the campaign to get her out
Is it just me or is Velma seriously buff?💪🏼😳
She has an incredible name
She can't even pronounce it correctly.
"We need a good narrative about Gaza" NO you needed to do something meaningful to help the people of Gaza and wider Palestine
Still lying, still being quiet, such a disgrace, zero morals.
What precisely is she lying about?
@@LondGWils
She voted against a ceasefire and defended the pro war crime Starmer comments
@@bl4ckkn1g8t5 She voted for a cease fire twice. Check the Commons records. Starmer did the same. Result - Landslide majority of 170 and 412 MPs. The British voters have spoken. Suck it up and get over it.
Thanks for posting
Labour's motion on a ceasefire was totally dependent on Israel's approval. Labour knew that Netenyahu and his war cabinet would completely ignore the polite suggestion of a ceasefire. Labour didn't want to go as far as the SNP motion and bullied the SNP when it was the S NP's day.
So of course people aren't going to buy into what Debbonaire says.
She walked past the billboard with a man, talked about it with him, and took a photo.
It was gone by the next morning, so unless she drove her mum by it in purpose early in the morning then that's a lie...
Her "Name" Elizabeth Singh, is not at all difficult to spell.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free Israel
Feel free to go and free it
Believe it or not actually feel sorry for her ! She's lost her seat .
Also that's not her real name , it's Singh !
As for Starmer it shows a ruthless streak for power.
If you're close allies suffer in overall quest for office, so be it.
Btw , Jonathan Ashworth , lost his seat. Angela Rayner , Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips came mightily close as well.
A warning to Labour for the future.
To add will counter all that with don't like the sometimes nasty and intimidation shown to some MPs whilst campaigning !
If labour have called for unconditional ceasefire may be no gaza independent candidate won of green party taken away lot off labour vote but as shamelessly these labour politicans still standing their ground and say we have majoritary but still failing to recognise the problem in the room
Labours silence on Gaza is deafening. Nearly 2000,000 Palestinians dead, no excuses.
That would be the entire population! The actual number as reported by the Gaza health ministry is 38k plus around 12k missing, so around 50k. That includes both civilians and fighters and there were 37k fighters. It's bad enough without wildly exaggerating it.
What a weirdo
But, shouldn't this be about improving the United Kingdom?
It's completely possible to work towards improving the UK and be against genocide at the same time. I would even argue that being against genocide is one of those thing that would improve, not just the UK, but any country.
"But, shouldn't this be about improving the United Kingdom?" It is about improving the United Kingdom. She lost.
@Earhairy seems like you are, but it's okay. Many are.
@@EarhairyWe are arming Israel. Try and keep up with failed foreign policy that affects everyone-even you
@@am1156genocide bahahahaha hilarious 😂
It's interesting just how the fake interviews the fake.
Who can blame him, her name is ridiculous.
An intelligent & strong woman. Yes, the Greens can lie 'Reform' & the Tories always lie. I support 7 wildlife/enviromental organisations, Amnesty & Labour but I will only vote Green after they acceptJames Hansen's recommended policies for Nuclear Power to help Renewables a Carbon tax to be paid back to the Public. See James Hansen presentations on the need for this.
When they won about two thirds of the seats in the parliament it's hard to say their strategy was wrong. They lost a few seats to pro-Gaza independents but if they asserted a more pro-Gaza Corbyn style foreign policy they might have scared off a lot of the defecting moderate Tory voters.
There weren't a lot of "defecting moderate Tory voters". Starmer's Labour got fewer votes than Corbyn's Labour got in 2019, and only a slightly bigger vote share. Starmer won mainly because Farage siphoned off a lot of previously Tory voters.
Labour pro Tel Aviv
And the Gaza rebels are forming a massive target for the right wing to aim at, and after five years Reform will be ready to act. Causing Labour embarrassment is easy but there is a much bigger picture.
😂😂You think the UK will last 5 years? You fool.
That billboard was 100% accurate, babykiller.
What is this? 😂
Debbonaire is harder to spell than Debenhams.
🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻
A Play Book ? Really ? I live in Bristol Central and by the next election Thangam the rest of Bristol will go Green !! The Future is Green ? Time you get use to it ? Starmer is and will sink Labour for decades . Starmer and the Labour Party really do not understand the depth of feeling amongst the British electorate on the Genocide that is being hurled upon Palestinian Men, Women and Children for the last 9 months ?? I and my family and friends are white and Welsh. English, Irish and Scottish .. We will never vote Labour or Conservative ever again . Purely on both your Party,s stance on Palestine ? This will never go away until Palestine is Free from a corrupt Zionist Israeli State ? Friends of Israel is called out in our Political System ? Our Labour Government stops it,s unwavering support for this extreme right wing State of Israel ? And Proportional Representation is voted in to get rid of our dire, archaic 1st Past the Post System For Good !! Never Ever Stay Silent !!
This is hilarious. Complaining because her opponents cheated by criticising things she has said and done.
On gaza , maybe they already become colonial things... very odd they have access to west media,or someone have big money,
another red tory
Happy birthday, Quran.
Thank you for your email about the horrific situation in Gaza and Israel, and about the votes in Parliament this week on the UK’s response.
The death and destruction in Gaza and in Israel over the last month have been devastating. I absolutely share your desire for the fighting to stop.
The only way to achieve the conditions for a full ceasefire - and ultimately, a lasting peace - will be through painstaking diplomacy, based on a deep understanding of history. While I respect the widespread calls for a ceasefire, I believe that as a prospective party of Government Labour has a responsibility to take a position of diplomacy-pushing hard to deliver concrete steps towards ending the violence, while doing all we can to alleviate the suffering now and remaining crystal clear in our commitment to upholding international law.
That is why I voted for Labour’s amendment to the Kings Speech on 15 November. You can see the full text of the amendment and more of my own thoughts on this heart-breaking situation here.
Thank you again for taking the time to share your views.
Yours
Thangam
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The problem is that the Labour Party fought a supine campaign in Bristol Central. Thangam Debbonaire was exposed to an attack on Gaza not her fault) but equally the shift in the Party's policy regarding the £28Bn Green investment (an unnecessary own goal). No point in complaining about the Green Party dishonesty - which they were. They do not care about Gaza. They simply exploited the political opportunity.
I don’t think thats fair. The Green Party do care about Gaza. As you would expect from a party driven by ethics and responsibility
@@kerrynewnham8946 Maybe they do care about the people of Gaza if you want to believe that. But that is not what motivated them to conduct their vile false political attack against Thangaham regarding her record on Gaza. They will rue the day that they joined forces with the likes of Owen Jones and other Labour Party activists cleared out by Keir Starmer.
@@LondGWils I disagree again it’s a natural collaboration between the left who were big on green issues and the Green Party who were big on social justice. It’s the only alliance possible with Keir Starmer treating the left as unwelcome, breaking tradition with past history
As Labour voters we very much hope Starmer finds a good job for this woman! She fought really hard for Labour's come back and will be very happy if she is rewarded even if she lost her seat!
Sounds like a bit of 'job for the boys or girls '.It doesn't matter if you lose your seat , we'll find you a job
Gaza isnot brithish problem....
With democracy in general
On the other side, Labour would have won votes thanks to their policy on Gaza by not being fanatical extremists waving Palestinian flags around. It also chased the extremists out of the party, cleansing it.
You sound absolutely charming…..
Good to see the Menopause Support Group are doing okay.
Ageism much ??
stupid but kinda funny 🤣
@@briandelaney9710 No, misogyny. Please try again.
@@briandelaney9710 He mad cos she got bigger guns
The people of Bristol really messed up there, hopefully they'll re-elect her next time
Why? What is special about her or indeed the Labour party?
@@robtecau4963 The party widely speaks for itself, it's proven it's seriousness and competence already over the past week, but I specifically liked Thangham Debbonaire because I'm a violin player and I was looking forward to seeing a cellist become culture secretary. Also when she talks it seems to me that she's really empathetic and explains things well.
Yes agree
We'd have been so much better with Thangam as Culture sec IN THE CABINET representing us in Bristol Central than non-brainary Carla Denyer shouting into the wind
I've been personally helped by TD in her time as MP,so have so many others I know in the community
She'll be sorely missed
@@j.x.x.r3645 You can say that about any party (including the Greens). She seemed like a bad loser to me.
@@j.x.x.r3645 I see you're following Starmer in spelling her name wrong. The Labour Party has shown it's a tool of the corporate elite - Reeves said quite correctly that their fingerprints are all over the manifesto, Labour has been endorsed by right-wing publications and "think tanks", they've adopted Tory fiscal constraints and most of their tax policies, which means they will have to impose austerity.
Stop the G.
Gaza City has been told to move.
Good.
Great 👍
Never be lapdog again lesson learnt