I remember watching this program during its first run back in the late-'70s-early-'80's, didn't like it much. But now, forty-some years later, I find it intriguing! It's so well written and acted. Guess I was too young and dumb to appreciate it the first time around. Back to my binge-watching!
This show ended when I was eleven. I only thought to watch it after recently completing the previous series in the MTM universe, but I'm glad to be here.
I worked in newspapers in the 1980s. The computer systems at my first papers were exactly like the ones on Lou Grant. I had to learn how to take the top of the terminal off and replace circuit boards to keep them working. I also had to learn to do paste-up, etc etc We used to have fun scrolling through the entire AP Wire and reading every story, and saying how cool it was going to be in 5 or 10 years and having computers in your own home -- you can read any story any time you want. And then somebody said, "why will anyone ever buy the paper?"
When I first started working as a pharmacies we used computers like these. I had a Mac at home so these terminal type computers confused me. Welcome to corporate America.
I haven't seen the Lou Grant show since it was first aired, so I am enjoying binge-watching these episodes. This particular one has me singing "Look for the union label, when you are buying a coat, dress, or blouse... 👍😃
A similar 1971 episode of the "Mary Tyler Moore" show had some of the staff of the television station going on strike. Lou Grant, the news director, had to go on the air in place of Ted Baxter.
This show was so on top of timely issues. This was the year that Reagan broke the air traffic controllers strike. It was a pivotal point in balance of wealth, and the future of unions..
Balance of wealth is so right. Now the corporations, banks etc get the kickbacks. Yes, the mob had a part in the history of unions, but conflating them with all unions is pretty dumb. Like air traffic controllers and teachers unions are probably not in league with the mob.
@@chandlerwhite8302 Reagan broke the collective bargaining power for workers. The mob bosses didn't suffer much. It was the workers who suffered.. and still are. It also unleashed 2 trends that reverberate today. 1) With the unions busted, corporations began replacing Americans with undocumented foreign workers, driving down wages and fueling the so-called "immigrant crisis" we face today. 2) With the workers losing their collective bargaining power, we saw the beginning of the 2nd Gilded Age with the highest wealth disparity we've ever seen in this country occurring today. This one is the more dangerous as it is destabilizing our planet in every way.
What a prophetic show or episode this was. But, while Automation and computerization has definitely streamlined all Industries while reducing costs oh, I believe that the quality of the final product is woefully inferior to the papers of yesteryear. There were papers out there today that are strictly wire service papers. Everything is from The Wire service with some syndicated columnists. But knowing what we now know, there was no way back then that anyone was going to stop the so-called progress of Automation and computerization. No newspaper was going to continue to employ printers and Pressman jobs that were Obsolete and only existed to satisfy a Union contract. And it will at some point affect every single job in the world. The biggest employer in the world is the transportation industry. Whether it's moving people from location to location or products from location to location, driving is the number one profession in terms of sheer numbers of people employed. Think about it, FedEx the United Postal Service, UPS, DHS, Amazon, GrubHub, doordash, Uber, Lyft, taxi drivers, Independence, fleets of tractor-trailer delivery services, and on and on and on. And once the self-driving car is completely perfected you will see the slow-but-steady elimination of the human driver employee. Perhaps that type of job can hang on for several years maybe even for a couple of decades by laws that require a human being to be in the vehicle but the bottom line is technology such as self-driving Vehicles is not going to be suppressed forever. It is coming and there is no stopping it. Just like there was no way that newspapers were not going to go the way of the computer. Just like newspapers went to Automation and computerization the driving profession will also at some point be swallowed up. If a young person entering the driving profession now thinks that that job will be there for his or her lifetime that person is mistaken. Anyway oh, this was an excellent episode probably the best episode of the entire run of the Lou Grant show. Thank you have a great day everyone
I agree with you on a couple of points. Indeed, the quality of today's newspapers is woefully lacking compared to that of not so many years ago. However, I disagree that the Linotype and plate presses and operators were there merely to fulfill union contracts. The union operators of those presses actually cared about the quality of what they printed on those presses, which is one reason why such work was so labor-intensive. Another point on which I do agree with you is the fact that most of what is printed today is from the wire services with, perhaps, occasional passing reference to how certain events have a local impact and a host of syndicated columnists. Perhaps the most infamous example this is the headquarters-written editorial endorsing a certain candidate by GateHouse (now part of Gannett) in 2016. GateHouse ordered that editorial be printed in all of its newspapers. It was so blatant that even the editorial board of the "Florida Times-Union" in Jacksonville, despite being a Rightist rag itself, ran an item on the front page apologizing for having to include that corporate editorial. Granted, the "P. U. T-U" (as I call it because I wouldn't use it even for fish wrap) has had a long-standing local policy of at least nominally not endorsing presidential candidates. Even so, the board was duty-bound, by virtue of being owned by GateHouse, to run it. I knew a guy who worked in their pressroom and, although he really didn't like talking about it, I could tell that having to run that headquarters editorial made him livid. The tension citywide from that editorial was palpable. Even people who ended up voting for that candidate were embarrassed by it.
As a reporter for an online news publication living in an era when some news articles are being generated by AI, I find this to be a very timely and tragic episode.
@@alfredroberthogan As a son of a public-school teacher (though, sadly, he died in 1994), I wholeheartedly concur. It is the dirty work of a certain crackpot governor of California (1967-75), who later squatted in the Oval Office (1981-89), that our educational system has become more concerned with propagating the worship of the almighty Dollar than with teaching critical, independent thinking and imparting the understanding that we live in a democratic Federal republic. A free education for everyone (not a select few despite what six non-elected members of the United States Supreme Court want to inculcate into us) is absolutely essential to a free democratic society.
You can at best, slow down the integration of automated technologies, but you will never stop it - it’s like a tsunami, slowly creeping but eventually lethal.
Automation has now cost this country millions of jobs. Corporations and companies that don't go to it lose their ability to compete. Out of business ALL those employees lose their jobs. Permanently. It gets worse by the day. Jobs we thought could NEVER be done by a machine are now done just that way. Drivers? Another decade totally useless. Custodians, the lowest paying of jobs? Robotics will render janitors useless. Where does it end? With NOBODY having a job who buys the products machines produce? Trump thinks HE can save jobs? He's dreaming. The promised "high tech" jobs that were to be our savior? Where are they? Replacing 100 people with one isn't working. We've had GREAT job growth of late. McJobs that are part time, pay next to nothing, offer no benefits and no stairway to promotions. Blame unions, corporations, small or big business but the pariah is automation. When offered it MUST be accepted by companies to stay in business. If somebody figures out a way to fix it, let the rest of us in on it please.
Tom Swinburn We will probably have to revert to cottage industry's, one of a kind items, art's, crafts, etc. We still have trillions worth of infrastructure that need building and rebuilding. There are many ways to go, hopefully Trump will choose the correct path, at least I can have faith that He will try.
If ever I've hoped for anything it's that Trump is the guy who can get it done. We NEED fresh ideas. What we've been doing hasn't worked, and you are SO right about a crumbling infrastructure and a lack of HOPE. I just finished reading a lengthy article about opiate addiction in small town America. Women by the thousands falling prey to hopelessness and dying from addiction issues. Middle aged WHITE women, from middle class families, people who have given up. The malaise that has long gripped the inner city in minority urban America now moving to the 'burbs and infecting those long believed bulletproof. Lord help us.
The guy who portrays the union busting consultant is well cast. (“If you’d held out just another week you could have crushed them.”) He seems a perfect example of the kinds of guys (and they were almost exclusively guys) who were brought in to industries across the country not to just bargain with unions but to engineer their destruction, often using the unions’ own internal weaknesses and faults against them. Now only a tiny percentage of the U.S. workforce is unionized and most of that is government sector employment, teachers and local, state’s and federal employees (AFSCME). Say what you will about unions, but the countries with the best education systems in the world are unionized and the which have the highest standards of living have strong unions.
I don’t like jobs where you are forced to join a union or no job and you get paid the minimal and have to pay huge Union membership dues. Unions drive Businesses to go overseas seeking cheap labor got goods like China to keep inflation low. Just about all goods produced by unions are priced high which drives up inflation.
@@3dartistguy UNITED WE BARGAIN. DIVIDED WE BEG. Those union dues you're whining about guarantee you a voice in your workplace. You get better wages, benefits and conditions.
28:56. We have such historical amnesia in this country. Enjoy that 8-hour work day, vacation and benefits? Minimum wage, over-time? Thanks are due ENTIRELY to unions and liberalism/progressivism. Of course, that amnesia is no accident. Amongst other things, the same conservative powers-that-be in a few large states (e.g., Texas) dictate the contents of our textbooks and curricula. That’s not conspiracy theory. That’s simply a fact. What isn’t taught is at least as powerful as what is. No, I don’t like the heavy-handed tactics and bullying sometimes employed by unions, but sometimes they are responding to strong-arm tactics and leverage that is less obvious and overt.
@@watchgoose , a union is freedom of association, which is a constitutional right. Ironic that you deem everyday workers affiliating and seeking to advocate for themselves as Marxists, when it was Marxists who outlawed and opposed Labor Unions such Solidarity in Poland trying to change that society during the 1980s. You’d make for a very willing and enabling Party member in a communist state.
Smart progressive young people can usually bypass schools/teachers with far-right restrictions (as in FL and TX now), but it is not an easy path. The corporate media absurdly genuflects to the powers that be alas.
"In 10 years the computers will run everything."...this was 1980, so not too far off...gotta give the print industry props for their stubborn staying power against the giant that is the computer/internet industry...here it is 2017, and I still see newspapers and print magazines, though nowhere like it was at this time. Honestly, even a homeless person with WiFi access by a Starbucks or something can now get the daily news, and this is a good thing...but kinda a bummer for people making a living off of the print industry...like Charlie Hume said "change is inevitable", and there is plenty more to come, especially in regards to this very topic
jokerswildio, the Internet is to print journalism what computer word processing (Does anyone even bother to even use that term anymore? It’s just called typing now.) and desktop publishing were to typesetters and printers. It will be a different world, but I wonder when kids (and a lot of older adults) are going to learn that the source and reliability of their news and information is more important than the medium, that not all “news” is created alike, and an article by the Washington Post or N.Y. Times is far more reliable and trustworthy than the stuff manufactured by outlets like Breitbart or Fox, which is not infrequently misleading and sometimes uses outright untruths, distortions or lies.
I remember even my small town back in in the 70s, early 80s, when we got both a morning paper and a afternoon paper. Now we only get 6 papers a week (no Monday paper).
inkyguy - That used to be true, today in 2020 both the Times and Post are liberal rags - Journalists no longer exist, they have been replaced by emotional liberal children that are both lazy and think their opinions are all the news necessary to write -
@@inkyguy it is always amazing to me how two people can have diametrically opposed opinions and viewpoints. I consider myself to be an educated individual. I have a law degree (Magna cum laude), and two undergraduate degrees. However I completely disagree with your portrayal of Fox News and Breitbart. I, on the other hand believe that it is the New York Times and Washington Post and other similar Publications that disseminate falsehoods, misleading information, and outright lies. And, I cannot see any possibility of my opinion on this issue changing. But I guess that's what makes this country great, to wit, that people are free to have their own opinions about issues, and the dissemination of information is protected by the very first amendment in our Bill of Rights. However, sadly, I noticed that it is those that tend to lean left that support the censorship and outright suppression of any opinions that differ with theirs. That I have a major issue with. No matter how much I might disagree with someone else's position I would never never support the censorship, Banning or suppressing of any type of communication, print, video, media, internet, Etc. that disseminates such opinions. I do not believe I can say the same for the left. Anyway, here's to continued disagreement. Sincerely Johnny Roma
Yes, Charlie Hume was right in that one particular: "Change is inevitable." He was also right to a certain degree in what he said about "the printed word", albeit not so much concerning his loyalty thereunto. However, even though it may not necessarily have been what Lou Grant meant, yet he was right in pointing out that Charlie himself had changed. It was clear that Lou would eventually do the right thing. (After all, Ed Asner was a union man and I just can't see him playing against type in this case. Furthermore, this episode first aired only a few months after the actors' strike, a strike which he himself was pivotal in authorizing as president of the Screen Actors Guild. It would have come across as hypocritical for him to take the opposite position even though playing a character.) Unfortunately, Charlie had clearly become comfortable in a managerial role. We see this in the episode about his involvement with that fraudulent investment advisor. He was the one who wanted to buy that fancy house and he was the one who mortgaged that house in order to make those investments. It's interesting to see the dichotomy between these two friends. Charlie was married and raising a family; but, he apparently saw his being managing editor as a means of social advancement to the point of not so much "keeping up with the Joneses" as becoming the Joneses. Lou, as we know from the early seasons of "Mary Tyler Moore" had been married and had raised a family; but, he, despite being in management, still had integrity and a conscience. He knew-and appreciated-where he had come from. It's part of the reason why he went back to newspapers. Indeed, as we saw in the pilot, he had no thought of becoming city editor; he fully expected his friend, Charlie Hume, to hire him as a beat reporter. Ultimately, however, I think that the dichotomy between Lou Grant and Charlie Hume in this episode was itself an allegory of the real-life dichotomy between Ed Asner and Ronald Reagan, who also had previously served, ironically, two terms as president of the Guild. Ed Asner, like Lou Grant, was a union man at heart. Reagan, much like Charlie Hume, had turned against the unions. Indeed, not long after this episode, Reagan would bust PATCO. Granted, ideally no one likes the thought of air traffic controllers going out on strike. Nonetheless, ideally President Carter would have been re-elected and the contract negotiations would not have gotten to that point. (Admittedly, I say that fully recognizing that it was President Carter who had initiated the deregulation of the airlines.) However, Reagan was flat wrong to bust PATCO and permanently replace the controllers with scabs. Similarly, in the final analysis, Charlie Hume was flat wrong to belie the points he had made concerning both the inevitability of change and the need for loyalty to the printed word by, in the same statement, expressing a desire to bust the unions. It really could have been Ronald Reagan standing next to Ed Asner in that scene and saying that.
Wow, kinda risky scene having Ed Asner shaving. He spent quite a few episodes in Season to with stitches under his ear after a serious shaving accident.
5:55 Early LCD screens perhaps? Batman (1989) I am pretty sure had LCD screens in his Bat Cave when Vicki Vale entered but this episode predates that movie by eight years.. I'm from California (a huge union state) and was always dead against unions because I always saw them as stepping on everyone, members, employers, and they got up to 20% of the money. Now that I live in Virginia (right to work state), I see how unions can be beneficial if, and I cannot stress this enough, IF it is utilized and operated properly. Really is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Regardless, I, personally, do not purposely cross picket lines unless I am a regular customer meaning if company ABC goes on strike but I don't normally shop there, I'll will not start shopping there just because of a strike however if company XYZ goes on strike and I am a frequent customer, I will cross that line and God help anyone who even so much as yells in my face let alone touches me intentionally (unintentionally, which I am a very good judge of, I will not confront as I know moments can get heated and such things are not realized). Furthermore, if my company ever went on strike, I wouldn't support neither the strike nor the company because I feel damned fortunate to be working knowing that there is half a million people out there that would take my job in a hot second. 25:44 John Amos... aka Gordy "The Weather Man" Howard from WJM... who so went out on strike during the great writer's strike of 1971 (Season two, episode eight titled Thoroughly Unmilitant Mary www.imdb.com/title/tt0642918/?ref_=ttep_ep8)? Same face but IMDB does not list him. Would have helped if the character had a name.
@Roy Miller Which? Here or '89 batman? I am sure here it was CRT, I was just making a little joke but in '89 Batman, it was possible. Military is always years ahead of consumer tech. Production might have had those displays on loan or may have had a prototype of sorts.
That’s Ray Wise (negotiator for Mrs Pinchon) he’s still doing movies, mainly horror. He killed the Creeper in Jeeper Creepers 2. He’s a very good actor these days.
The newspaper union thugs were beyond despicable. Strikes by journalists are anathema to our profession. But if need be, the publisher should have caved to the union thugs, who were correct on merits but wrong on tactics. As UMCP DBK EIC, I was the victim of a strike by many staffers in May 1985 for 20 hours. In my case, I was 100% correct on merits and they were 100% wrong, but I essentially and shamefully caved to the SOBs. I feared the governing board would use it as a pretext to get rid of me.
".... now we just need a way to automate writers....." Enter robo-writers. Chances are a lot of the stuff you read online was created by an AI program.
Rossi should have been FIRED for deleting his story. He did that story on COMPANY time, before a strike was called and while still on the payroll. I can and do sympathize with unions. But that kind of childishness has no place in serious negotiations.
Tom Swinburn, I believe journalists still have an intellectual right to the material they create. Also, until it is submitted it is his draft to do with as he pleases. Computer or not, it may be the paper’s typewriter and its paper, but the reporter can still pull it out and take it away with him or shred it.
@@inkyguy NOPE. I worked in newspapers including some that went on strike. When a strike was called all employees were expected to act professionally until the actual moment the strike began. If you were working on a story you were expected to file whatever version you had completed at the end of your final shift before strike time. If you destroyed a story in progress before walking off on strike, you would probably face disciplinary action, ie suspension, once the strike was settled. Of course in real life everybody is usually just relieved to have the damn strike over with but most likely Rossi would have faced a 2-week suspension without pay plus an official reprimand to be placed on file (usually after a couple reprimands you get fired).
In the vast majority of all real world cases, they would be fired on the spot. Art might still be a classified union employee but Lou certainly would be management.
In the real world, those people were usually fired. Reagan busted the unions that year, and we've been effed ever since. Fast forward 40 years. The rich have become obscenely wealthy; the poor and the working class have become increasingly poorer. The instability is worse, and it's just a matter of time before the poor eat the rich, because they can't afford a decent meal..
Filming the scene with the protestors on the street, Linda Kelsey had a gruesome accident with one of the vans of the story. She actually flew in the air with a bad maneuver of the driver, and her left arm was all fractured. The injury of the last scene was real. 🌈👽🦸♀✡🚘🚔🪫🪗🎼🔋🤖🇮🇱! 🇺🇦!!!!!!!!
I remember watching this program during its first run back in the late-'70s-early-'80's, didn't like it much. But now, forty-some years later, I find it intriguing! It's so well written and acted. Guess I was too young and dumb to appreciate it the first time around. Back to my binge-watching!
I agree
This show ended when I was eleven. I only thought to watch it after recently completing the previous series in the MTM universe, but I'm glad to be here.
I worked in newspapers in the 1980s. The computer systems at my first papers were exactly like the ones on Lou Grant. I had to learn how to take the top of the terminal off and replace circuit boards to keep them working.
I also had to learn to do paste-up, etc etc
We used to have fun scrolling through the entire AP Wire and reading every story, and saying how cool it was going to be in 5 or 10 years and having computers in your own home -- you can read any story any time you want.
And then somebody said, "why will anyone ever buy the paper?"
When I first started working as a pharmacies we used computers like these. I had a Mac at home so these terminal type computers confused me. Welcome to corporate America.
I haven't seen the Lou Grant show since it was first aired, so I am enjoying binge-watching these episodes. This particular one has me singing "Look for the union label, when you are buying a coat, dress, or blouse... 👍😃
A similar 1971 episode of the "Mary Tyler Moore" show had some of the staff of the television station going on strike. Lou Grant, the news director, had to go on the air in place of Ted Baxter.
On the picket line, Lou said hi to Mary and Ted :D
This show was so on top of timely issues. This was the year that Reagan broke the air traffic controllers strike. It was a pivotal point in balance of wealth, and the future of unions..
Ripped from the headlines. 😊
Poor mafia bosses, their union pension fund kickbacks have diminished so much because of Reagan. Boo hoo.
Reagan really hurt this country.
Balance of wealth is so right. Now the corporations, banks etc get the kickbacks.
Yes, the mob had a part in the history of unions, but conflating them with all unions is pretty dumb. Like air traffic controllers and teachers unions are probably not in league with the mob.
@@chandlerwhite8302 Reagan broke the collective bargaining power for workers. The mob bosses didn't suffer much. It was the workers who suffered.. and still are. It also unleashed 2 trends that reverberate today.
1) With the unions busted, corporations began replacing Americans with undocumented foreign workers, driving down wages and fueling the so-called "immigrant crisis" we face today.
2) With the workers losing their collective bargaining power, we saw the beginning of the 2nd Gilded Age with the highest wealth disparity we've ever seen in this country occurring today. This one is the more dangerous as it is destabilizing our planet in every way.
All the ringing phones had me thinking that we needed Charlton Heston to run in yelling "THERE IS NO PHONE DAMMIT!"
Inflation was rampant when this show was on, even affected the intro. By the end it was "Was it over $100k, was it over $500k?"
Tight jeans or calf-length dresses, Linda Kelsey looked great in either one.
and she was wearing a Rhoda-Style head scarf!
Tank Stoner Sad to think that she is in her 70s now 😢
She definitely had a great face and knew how to use it :) Probably still looks great even at 70 ...
@@Zoomer30 She's still very lovely imo; besides, we all have our prime but it too must pass.
What a prophetic show or episode this was. But, while Automation and computerization has definitely streamlined all Industries while reducing costs oh, I believe that the quality of the final product is woefully inferior to the papers of yesteryear. There were papers out there today that are strictly wire service papers. Everything is from The Wire service with some syndicated columnists. But knowing what we now know, there was no way back then that anyone was going to stop the so-called progress of Automation and computerization. No newspaper was going to continue to employ printers and Pressman jobs that were Obsolete and only existed to satisfy a Union contract. And it will at some point affect every single job in the world. The biggest employer in the world is the transportation industry. Whether it's moving people from location to location or products from location to location, driving is the number one profession in terms of sheer numbers of people employed. Think about it, FedEx the United Postal Service, UPS, DHS, Amazon, GrubHub, doordash, Uber, Lyft, taxi drivers, Independence, fleets of tractor-trailer delivery services, and on and on and on. And once the self-driving car is completely perfected you will see the slow-but-steady elimination of the human driver employee. Perhaps that type of job can hang on for several years maybe even for a couple of decades by laws that require a human being to be in the vehicle but the bottom line is technology such as self-driving Vehicles is not going to be suppressed forever. It is coming and there is no stopping it. Just like there was no way that newspapers were not going to go the way of the computer. Just like newspapers went to Automation and computerization the driving profession will also at some point be swallowed up. If a young person entering the driving profession now thinks that that job will be there for his or her lifetime that person is mistaken. Anyway oh, this was an excellent episode probably the best episode of the entire run of the Lou Grant show. Thank you have a great day everyone
Well said and I agree 100%
I agree with you on a couple of points. Indeed, the quality of today's newspapers is woefully lacking compared to that of not so many years ago. However, I disagree that the Linotype and plate presses and operators were there merely to fulfill union contracts. The union operators of those presses actually cared about the quality of what they printed on those presses, which is one reason why such work was so labor-intensive.
Another point on which I do agree with you is the fact that most of what is printed today is from the wire services with, perhaps, occasional passing reference to how certain events have a local impact and a host of syndicated columnists. Perhaps the most infamous example this is the headquarters-written editorial endorsing a certain candidate by GateHouse (now part of Gannett) in 2016. GateHouse ordered that editorial be printed in all of its newspapers. It was so blatant that even the editorial board of the "Florida Times-Union" in Jacksonville, despite being a Rightist rag itself, ran an item on the front page apologizing for having to include that corporate editorial. Granted, the "P. U. T-U" (as I call it because I wouldn't use it even for fish wrap) has had a long-standing local policy of at least nominally not endorsing presidential candidates. Even so, the board was duty-bound, by virtue of being owned by GateHouse, to run it. I knew a guy who worked in their pressroom and, although he really didn't like talking about it, I could tell that having to run that headquarters editorial made him livid. The tension citywide from that editorial was palpable. Even people who ended up voting for that candidate were embarrassed by it.
As a reporter for an online news publication living in an era when some news articles are being generated by AI, I find this to be a very timely and tragic episode.
Wouldn't mind if the News improved with computers but it's just as bad, if not worse. We still need Human Reporters. Don't we?
I loved how mrs pynchon shoved Frasier away
Inexpensive access to higher education and progress against ageism would have been a worthy alternative to this strike.
Public higher education should actually be free (once again)--with stipends for expenses--for anyone who wants that.
@@alfredroberthogan As a son of a public-school teacher (though, sadly, he died in 1994), I wholeheartedly concur. It is the dirty work of a certain crackpot governor of California (1967-75), who later squatted in the Oval Office (1981-89), that our educational system has become more concerned with propagating the worship of the almighty Dollar than with teaching critical, independent thinking and imparting the understanding that we live in a democratic Federal republic. A free education for everyone (not a select few despite what six non-elected members of the United States Supreme Court want to inculcate into us) is absolutely essential to a free democratic society.
You can at best, slow down the integration of automated technologies, but you will never stop it - it’s like a tsunami, slowly creeping but eventually lethal.
BIG Business, small business, strikes can be devastating. A strike cost Me the best job I ever had and at thirty, life was all downhill from there.
Automation without proper training can be devastating.
Automation has now cost this country millions of jobs. Corporations and companies that don't go to it lose their ability to compete. Out of business ALL those employees lose their jobs. Permanently. It gets worse by the day. Jobs we thought could NEVER be done by a machine are now done just that way. Drivers? Another decade totally useless. Custodians, the lowest paying of jobs? Robotics will render janitors useless. Where does it end? With NOBODY having a job who buys the products machines produce? Trump thinks HE can save jobs? He's dreaming. The promised "high tech" jobs that were to be our savior? Where are they? Replacing 100 people with one isn't working. We've had GREAT job growth of late. McJobs that are part time, pay next to nothing, offer no benefits and no stairway to promotions. Blame unions, corporations, small or big business but the pariah is automation. When offered it MUST be accepted by companies to stay in business. If somebody figures out a way to fix it, let the rest of us in on it please.
Tom Swinburn We will probably have to revert to cottage industry's, one of a kind items, art's, crafts, etc. We still have trillions worth of infrastructure that need building and rebuilding. There are many ways to go, hopefully Trump will choose the correct path, at least I can have faith that He will try.
If ever I've hoped for anything it's that Trump is the guy who can get it done. We NEED fresh ideas. What we've been doing hasn't worked, and you are SO right about a crumbling infrastructure and a lack of HOPE. I just finished reading a lengthy article about opiate addiction in small town America. Women by the thousands falling prey to hopelessness and dying from addiction issues. Middle aged WHITE women, from middle class families, people who have given up. The malaise that has long gripped the inner city in minority urban America now moving to the 'burbs and infecting those long believed bulletproof. Lord help us.
Tom Swinburn Lord, Help Us.
The guy who portrays the union busting consultant is well cast. (“If you’d held out just another week you could have crushed them.”) He seems a perfect example of the kinds of guys (and they were almost exclusively guys) who were brought in to industries across the country not to just bargain with unions but to engineer their destruction, often using the unions’ own internal weaknesses and faults against them. Now only a tiny percentage of the U.S. workforce is unionized and most of that is government sector employment, teachers and local, state’s and federal employees (AFSCME). Say what you will about unions, but the countries with the best education systems in the world are unionized and the which have the highest standards of living have strong unions.
8 Comments on one video, loudmouthed airbag! Pretty full of yourself, eh pal!
I don’t like jobs where you are forced to join a union or no job and you get paid the minimal and have to pay huge
Union membership dues. Unions drive
Businesses to go overseas seeking cheap labor got goods like China to keep inflation low. Just about all goods produced by unions are priced high which drives up inflation.
@@3dartistguy UNITED WE BARGAIN. DIVIDED WE BEG.
Those union dues you're whining about guarantee you a voice in your workplace. You get better wages, benefits and conditions.
@@Grendelbcsure ya do. That’s never been my experience when I was forced to join a union at UPS
@@3dartistguy It was my experience working on construction sites for 42 years. Now I've got a nice Defined Benefit Pension not a stinking 401k.
"Now all we need is a way to automate writers"
"It's coming"
It's here.
It's about 20 years past.
The quality is not there and will not be.
28:56. We have such historical amnesia in this country. Enjoy that 8-hour work day, vacation and benefits? Minimum wage, over-time? Thanks are due ENTIRELY to unions and liberalism/progressivism. Of course, that amnesia is no accident. Amongst other things, the same conservative powers-that-be in a few large states (e.g., Texas) dictate the contents of our textbooks and curricula. That’s not conspiracy theory. That’s simply a fact. What isn’t taught is at least as powerful as what is. No, I don’t like the heavy-handed tactics and bullying sometimes employed by unions, but sometimes they are responding to strong-arm tactics and leverage that is less obvious and overt.
the idea of a union trying to change society is Marxist.
@@watchgoose , a union is freedom of association, which is a constitutional right. Ironic that you deem everyday workers affiliating and seeking to advocate for themselves as Marxists, when it was Marxists who outlawed and opposed Labor Unions such Solidarity in Poland trying to change that society during the 1980s. You’d make for a very willing and enabling Party member in a communist state.
Smart progressive young people can usually bypass schools/teachers with far-right restrictions (as in FL and TX now), but it is not an easy path. The corporate media absurdly genuflects to the powers that be alas.
"In 10 years the computers will run everything."...this was 1980, so not too far off...gotta give the print industry props for their stubborn staying power against the giant that is the computer/internet industry...here it is 2017, and I still see newspapers and print magazines, though nowhere like it was at this time. Honestly, even a homeless person with WiFi access by a Starbucks or something can now get the daily news, and this is a good thing...but kinda a bummer for people making a living off of the print industry...like Charlie Hume said "change is inevitable", and there is plenty more to come, especially in regards to this very topic
jokerswildio, the Internet is to print journalism what computer word processing (Does anyone even bother to even use that term anymore? It’s just called typing now.) and desktop publishing were to typesetters and printers. It will be a different world, but I wonder when kids (and a lot of older adults) are going to learn that the source and reliability of their news and information is more important than the medium, that not all “news” is created alike, and an article by the Washington Post or N.Y. Times is far more reliable and trustworthy than the stuff manufactured by outlets like Breitbart or Fox, which is not infrequently misleading and sometimes uses outright untruths, distortions or lies.
I remember even my small town back in in the 70s, early 80s, when we got both a morning paper and a afternoon paper. Now we only get 6 papers a week (no Monday paper).
inkyguy - That used to be true, today in 2020 both the Times and Post are liberal rags - Journalists no longer exist, they have been replaced by emotional liberal children that are both lazy and think their opinions are all the news necessary to write -
@@inkyguy it is always amazing to me how two people can have diametrically opposed opinions and viewpoints. I consider myself to be an educated individual. I have a law degree (Magna cum laude), and two undergraduate degrees. However I completely disagree with your portrayal of Fox News and Breitbart. I, on the other hand believe that it is the New York Times and Washington Post and other similar Publications that disseminate falsehoods, misleading information, and outright lies. And, I cannot see any possibility of my opinion on this issue changing. But I guess that's what makes this country great, to wit, that people are free to have their own opinions about issues, and the dissemination of information is protected by the very first amendment in our Bill of Rights. However, sadly, I noticed that it is those that tend to lean left that support the censorship and outright suppression of any opinions that differ with theirs. That I have a major issue with. No matter how much I might disagree with someone else's position I would never never support the censorship, Banning or suppressing of any type of communication, print, video, media, internet, Etc. that disseminates such opinions. I do not believe I can say the same for the left. Anyway, here's to continued disagreement. Sincerely Johnny Roma
Yes, Charlie Hume was right in that one particular: "Change is inevitable." He was also right to a certain degree in what he said about "the printed word", albeit not so much concerning his loyalty thereunto. However, even though it may not necessarily have been what Lou Grant meant, yet he was right in pointing out that Charlie himself had changed. It was clear that Lou would eventually do the right thing. (After all, Ed Asner was a union man and I just can't see him playing against type in this case. Furthermore, this episode first aired only a few months after the actors' strike, a strike which he himself was pivotal in authorizing as president of the Screen Actors Guild. It would have come across as hypocritical for him to take the opposite position even though playing a character.) Unfortunately, Charlie had clearly become comfortable in a managerial role. We see this in the episode about his involvement with that fraudulent investment advisor. He was the one who wanted to buy that fancy house and he was the one who mortgaged that house in order to make those investments.
It's interesting to see the dichotomy between these two friends. Charlie was married and raising a family; but, he apparently saw his being managing editor as a means of social advancement to the point of not so much "keeping up with the Joneses" as becoming the Joneses. Lou, as we know from the early seasons of "Mary Tyler Moore" had been married and had raised a family; but, he, despite being in management, still had integrity and a conscience. He knew-and appreciated-where he had come from. It's part of the reason why he went back to newspapers. Indeed, as we saw in the pilot, he had no thought of becoming city editor; he fully expected his friend, Charlie Hume, to hire him as a beat reporter.
Ultimately, however, I think that the dichotomy between Lou Grant and Charlie Hume in this episode was itself an allegory of the real-life dichotomy between Ed Asner and Ronald Reagan, who also had previously served, ironically, two terms as president of the Guild. Ed Asner, like Lou Grant, was a union man at heart. Reagan, much like Charlie Hume, had turned against the unions. Indeed, not long after this episode, Reagan would bust PATCO. Granted, ideally no one likes the thought of air traffic controllers going out on strike. Nonetheless, ideally President Carter would have been re-elected and the contract negotiations would not have gotten to that point. (Admittedly, I say that fully recognizing that it was President Carter who had initiated the deregulation of the airlines.) However, Reagan was flat wrong to bust PATCO and permanently replace the controllers with scabs.
Similarly, in the final analysis, Charlie Hume was flat wrong to belie the points he had made concerning both the inevitability of change and the need for loyalty to the printed word by, in the same statement, expressing a desire to bust the unions. It really could have been Ronald Reagan standing next to Ed Asner in that scene and saying that.
Pissing in the wind
Calling people to get them to drop the paper. It's like burning your own house down.
Wow, kinda risky scene having Ed Asner shaving. He spent quite a few episodes in Season to with stitches under his ear after a serious shaving accident.
He was working that razor fast!
I wonder who made Tom Atkins' jacket at 20:00, I like it.
1995 craigslist came online devastating newspapers.
Everyone is fine with automation eliminating jobs until it's THEIR job getting the robotic axe.
5:55 Early LCD screens perhaps? Batman (1989) I am pretty sure had LCD screens in his Bat Cave when Vicki Vale entered but this episode predates that movie by eight years.. I'm from California (a huge union state) and was always dead against unions because I always saw them as stepping on everyone, members, employers, and they got up to 20% of the money. Now that I live in Virginia (right to work state), I see how unions can be beneficial if, and I cannot stress this enough, IF it is utilized and operated properly. Really is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Regardless, I, personally, do not purposely cross picket lines unless I am a regular customer meaning if company ABC goes on strike but I don't normally shop there, I'll will not start shopping there just because of a strike however if company XYZ goes on strike and I am a frequent customer, I will cross that line and God help anyone who even so much as yells in my face let alone touches me intentionally (unintentionally, which I am a very good judge of, I will not confront as I know moments can get heated and such things are not realized). Furthermore, if my company ever went on strike, I wouldn't support neither the strike nor the company because I feel damned fortunate to be working knowing that there is half a million people out there that would take my job in a hot second. 25:44 John Amos... aka Gordy "The Weather Man" Howard from WJM... who so went out on strike during the great writer's strike of 1971 (Season two, episode eight titled Thoroughly Unmilitant Mary www.imdb.com/title/tt0642918/?ref_=ttep_ep8)? Same face but IMDB does not list him. Would have helped if the character had a name.
@Roy Miller Which? Here or '89 batman? I am sure here it was CRT, I was just making a little joke but in '89 Batman, it was possible. Military is always years ahead of consumer tech. Production might have had those displays on loan or may have had a prototype of sorts.
That’s Ray Wise (negotiator for Mrs Pinchon) he’s still doing movies, mainly horror. He killed the Creeper in Jeeper Creepers 2. He’s a very good actor these days.
Karl Marx was pro union.
The newspaper union thugs were beyond despicable. Strikes by journalists are anathema to our profession. But if need be, the publisher should have caved to the union thugs, who were correct on merits but wrong on tactics. As UMCP DBK EIC, I was the victim of a strike by many staffers in May 1985 for 20 hours. In my case, I was 100% correct on merits and they were 100% wrong, but I essentially and shamefully caved to the SOBs. I feared the governing board would use it as a pretext to get rid of me.
Ray Wise from Swamp Thing, Twin Peaks
Adams buying a house?! I guess his "habit" was cured & his wife took him back?!
No, he ends up losing the house in Brushfire.
".... now we just need a way to automate writers....."
Enter robo-writers. Chances are a lot of the stuff you read online was created by an AI program.
Rossi should have been FIRED for deleting his story. He did that story on COMPANY time, before a strike was called and while still on the payroll. I can and do sympathize with unions. But that kind of childishness has no place in serious negotiations.
Tom Swinburn, I believe journalists still have an intellectual right to the material they create. Also, until it is submitted it is his draft to do with as he pleases. Computer or not, it may be the paper’s typewriter and its paper, but the reporter can still pull it out and take it away with him or shred it.
@@inkyguy
NOPE. I worked in newspapers including some that went on strike.
When a strike was called all employees were expected to act professionally until the actual moment the strike began.
If you were working on a story you were expected to file whatever version you had completed at the end of your final shift before strike time.
If you destroyed a story in progress before walking off on strike, you would probably face disciplinary action, ie suspension, once the strike was settled.
Of course in real life everybody is usually just relieved to have the damn strike over with but most likely Rossi would have faced a 2-week suspension without pay plus an official reprimand to be placed on file (usually after a couple reprimands you get fired).
Lou and Art are management people. Their siding with the union, against the paper, should be grounds enough to fire them!
In the vast majority of all real world cases, they would be fired on the spot.
Art might still be a classified union employee but Lou certainly would be management.
In the real world, those people were usually fired. Reagan busted the unions that year, and we've been effed ever since. Fast forward 40 years. The rich have become obscenely wealthy; the poor and the working class have become increasingly poorer. The instability is worse, and it's just a matter of time before the poor eat the rich, because they can't afford a decent meal..
Filming the scene with the protestors on the street, Linda Kelsey had a gruesome accident with one of the vans of the story. She actually flew in the air with a bad maneuver of the driver, and her left arm was all fractured. The injury of the last scene was real.
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