@@ma3stro681 true, and I also think Geelong's list is strong Martin will probably be stuck playing vfl, maybe scraping 1 or 2 games. If Oliver does go to cats, he'd be too slow, and cats would most likely delist him or play him in vfl like martin
One reason people might or might not know is they dont require the players to be at the club 5 days a week, but when they are at training they go hard, its refreshing for players having more of their own time.
Your analysis of Bailey Smith is absolutely on. For some reason he is treated like a superstar when he isn't actually close to been one yet. He simply posseses a great deal of raw talent with the potential to become a superstar but is still young. A lot like a younger Jordan De Goey circa 2018.
Every club tries to lure players from other clubs. Brisbane & Sydney have done it extremely well over the years, and Hawthorn, Adelaide & Freo look to me to be the trade winners so far. But you also have to have clever drafting and player development programs as well. Geelong has brought in some high-end talent over the past 8 years, but the reason they have remained competitive is in drafting and player development. 8 players that started from the Rookie List (Blicavs, Close, Z.Guthrie, J.Henry, Atkins, O'Connor, Dempsey & Mullen) have developed into AFL players, along with another 5 players who were drafted after pick 39 (Stewart, Kolo, Miers, Humphries & Bews).
Another reason is that we find mature age players in the VFL and rookie lists and we put three or four years of development into players before they get regular senior games. A lot of clubs draft unproven young players, play them before they are ready "to get games into them", whereas, at Geelong, you need to "earn" a game. We play for the "now", not the future. A lot of other teams are happy to sacrifice present success for the hope of the future. We also get the best out of players. Geelong "build" on the run, and keep being successful, while other teams "rebuild" and take years to have a competitive team. It is no coincidence that the two teams who have never bottomed out, Geelong and Sydney Swans, have played the most finals. Because other teams have a defeatist mentality of "rebuilding", and that "it is okay to lose, or that losing is a learning experience and then wonder why players want to leave for success.
@@dhenderson1810 once danger and cameron are done the cats are done! See if im wrong in a few years! Id love to see cats replace danger with equal talent and cameron with equal talent! This season showed you take just danger out cats are lost so take cameron out its over! Then tazzie will come in and take the draft with them and cats will be in midland! And in last 13 years cats 1 cup hawks 3! And now hawks are young and full of talent ready for another 10 years! Dont forget 13 of our best 18 are 23 years old and under! 19 20 21 year olds! 2 if our best forwards are 19! The whole ground is full of talented youth! If your happy to hang around the top 8 and 1 cup in 13 years im happy for you but unless you win the cup who cares were you finish! As sam said hawks dont build teams to stay in top 8 and win the odd flag we build powerhouse teams to dominate for a decade win 3 or 4 cups then sit quietly near the bottom for 4 years then bang another dynasty! Cats 07 09 and 2011 was a true powerhouse built on top draft picks trades and seconds talent from other clubs! Look at ambrossio could not get a game in dons 1st team but hawks see the potential this year best winger in the comp! Or meek could not get a game at freo now one of the best ruckman in the comp! Or trading up the draft to get weddle and 20 year old freak! See we nail draft picks we dont stuff up! Yes denver is not the best but only 21 years old as a key defenfer they take time! Anyway hawks are back yet again its a proven formula for 65 years cups every decade! Its no fluke or luck! 🤎💛💪🏆🏆🏆🏆next 10 years its only just begun!!
@@glennwalker2996 So, you go for Hawthorn. Thought so. Obviously Geelong live rent free in your head after beating you 11 times in a row. We beat you twice this year, including during your winning streak. You ONLY did well because you had a favourable draw, you beat interstate teams in Tassie or Victoria, beat lowly teams or an injured Carlton. You didn't beat Sydney in Sydney, Brisbane at the Gabba or beat anyone above you. You will get a harsher draw next year. Also, you won a lot of those flags because you had the umpires in your pockets. Your thug players like Dipper, Dermie and Ayres, knew how to sucker punch and not get caught, while the retaliator got caught. Also, when Tassie comes in, no more getting gifted interstate teams in Tassie. You won't get the Tassie dollar any more. You talk about your four flags this decade, yet your so-called "family club" stabbed Alistair Clarkson in the back and then ran a smear campaign against him allegedly saying something "offensive" to an Aboriginal, yet still let Jeff Kennett, who everyone knows insulted Cyril and his wife and has a collection of golliwogs have a say over the club. You ignore his racism, which is known, yet believe unproven allegations against your most successful coach in history. And you launch it the week Clarko gets a new coaching job, like you are angry that he dare coach another club, when he was out of contract and you sacked him. Piss off mate. You and your piss and poo coloured team are a joke. The biggest mistake Geelong made was allowing you into the league in 1925. Prahran wanted a license. Should have given it to them instead of ungrateful turds, Hawthorn. At least we don't burn our most successful coach as a way of insincere "virtue signalling". Besides, if your club is SO much better, then why even care what we do? We shouldn't be front of mind. It is because we constantly live rent free in your otherwise empty heads. That's why. Whereas, Geelong supporters don't even think about your club. We see you in the rear view mirror as we drive past on the road to success. When Dangerfield and Cameron retire, so what? We will just use free agency to get in new players. We will just use free agency during the Tassie years. Also, if we go down the ladder, we will only be down for one, maybe two years max, and will bounce up again. Despite the lies, we actually have a lot of good youngsters. Dempsey, DeKoning, Atkins, Bruhn, Bowes, Conway, Neale, Zack Guthrie, Max Holmes, Bailey Smith is only 24, Mannagh, Clark, Mullin etc, and we can always top up free agency, trades, supplemental draft and by using our VFL side. We also built our 2007-11 AFL premierships off the back of players who went 30 or later in the 1999 and 2001 drafts, so even low picks work for us. We got Lawson Humphries for low picks last year. So you keep playing your inexperienced players with your inexperienced coach. Wait until teams come for you, your gravy train is over. Besides, if the draft is SO good, why did you bring in players from other clubs? Shouldn't the draft be your one and only source of getting players, or are you hypocrites? I though Sam Mitchell was rebuilding.
I think the edge Geelong have is their regional location. Players can live on a farm or outside of the cities which is appealing for many kids who grew up living in the country.
1:45 to be fair they've been playing footy together since the Oakleigh days as teens, can't read much into them hanging other than we don't live in some old pro wrestling era of footy where rivals can't be friends
I don’t think we’ll have the capital to get Oliver, I think we’d be hesitant to give up SDK or Neale and our first round pick this year will go to the Dogs
You’re definitely under 30.. used to be depressing and lots of self deprivation. At the start of the century a Geelong captain left for North Melbourne to win a Premiership.
It will be a struggle. Why would Melbourne release him unless he is an absolute pain to deal with. My question is… Why would Geelong consider taking him? As a Geelong supporter I would want to know he was not acting the way he acts at Melbourne. The thing is- Melbourne is known to have a poor culture. Petracca proves that… not only does he highlight it, he himself is an example of it. If Geelong take him on, there better be a short leash.
People ask this question but without the correct context. There is clear evidence to at Geelong has influence over the Falcons and their players tend to miraculously return. Paddy McCArtin evidenced this in an interview pre 2022 GF where Steve Johnson had a conversation in that past where it was more than intimated he should “return home” Free agency was seen as a tool to level the competition where team with cap space could make their way up the ladder. Geelong has now made itself a “destination club” where you go to win flags. There needs to be a change in the rules similar to that of the amount of 1st round picks that can be traded over a period of time, to stop clubs from doing what Geelong are doing now. If this was an interstate tie am doing this there’d be an uproar.
Danger and Cameron were free agents but the Cats actually had to trade for them and gave a lot. Collingwood just picked up a free agent, as did Adelaide, Hawthorn. As for the Falcons clearly if a young kid is playing for them they are from the Geelong area and hence more likely to appreciate the regional lifestyle and have their family in the area no different to a player who grows up playing for Sandringham Dragons may want to return later in life. Regional is not for everyone and some players personality types prefer living in the big cities. The key thing in all of this is that Geelong has created an incredible & professional club all round which allows players to develop & reach their max potential and have a chance to contend for a flag every year. If Geelong was performing at the bottom of the ladder less players would return. An example of a club currently being poorly run is Melbourne where both Petracca an Oliver would leave if their contracts were not so difficult to exit and draft capital required so high. If this year you could trade draft picks 2 years forward ( it's starting next years trade period) Petracca would be out. Look at Dan Houston who was almost locked into going to Melbourne & quickly changed once the shit hit the fan with Melbourne issues. I'm only using this as an example of how the good players want to go to well run clubs.
What a sook! Wow! You are saying that because Geelong helps out the Geelong Falcons, but don’t get any advantage to this in the actual draft, but because they treat the players well they want to go and play for Geelong later on… then Geelong are not allowed to do that? Clear evidence of a well run club. Collingwood definitely have the pull of players because they have the most supporters and players grow up dreaming of wanting to play for Collingwood. Maybe we should ban that… work out a way for Collingwood supporters to never be able to play for Collingwood because they have that advantage. Oh… and while we are at it, those that grow up wanting to play for Adelaide, Port Adelaide, West Coast… they are abusing the system too, because Adelaide etc have people in their state want to play for them. Oh… and there is clear evidence about Hawthorn… especially because they have done well in Tassie… we can’t have anyone from Tassie play for them because they are cheating the system. What a jealous little comment that shows clearly you hate the fact that your team does not do it well. The reality is- free agency means that players can choose… unfortunately what this means is… everyone know that if you play for one of these clubs… Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong, and Sydney you are more likely to win a flag… history shows that…. So these become destination clubs. Sydney does not struggle to get players to go there but GWS does. Collingwood is definitely a destination club, as is Geelong.
@@mauricetermesana9419 You're right. Only twice has a team matched for RFAs, and both times, it was when Geelong were bringing in a player. We gave up picks for Dangerfield and Cameron when the truth is, we could have offered nothing and still got them. No other club has had to give picks for RFAs except Geelong, because the rest of the competition is jealous of our success.
Fix your own club and make it attractive rather than change rules. Besides, interstate clubs get kissed on the dick by the AFL by having academies. Sydney and Brisbane wouldn't have played in the Grand Final if it wasn't for academies, the biggest leg-up in the game. The Swans have been in Sydney for 42 years. Time to cut off their assistance and they stand on their own two feet, like Victorian clubs do. I would change the rule that the interstate team gets access to one academy kid a season, then the others are open slather for any club to draft. If the interstate clubs want more academy kids, they can trade for them.
Why do i think that geelong can somehow get both of them😂 i never doubt mackie, he has done the boldest and most successful trades. Smith can happen and oliver is looking for a fresh start after his downhill years
Geelong has been fair in deals over the years. You just want Geelong to give up players for a fourth round pick, yet want two first rounders when you are trading a player to us, because you are jealous that we are more successful than your joke of a club. Which club do you go for, by the way? I need a good laugh.
How do they keep doing this? Well no other Victorian club has a fortress all to themselves like Geelong does. All other Victorian clubs have to share either Marvel or the MCG. Sure ...... the GF has to be won on the MCG but with a massive home ground advantage and a few wins on the road pretty much guarantees them playing in September consistently from year to year and reason why they rarely bottom out on the ladder.
I think they are a better run club than most, making good short and long term decisions. Like all clubs they’ve made mistakes, but you don’t see Geelong doing something as silly as signing an injury riddled player for 8 years (saints)
@@Chessdrummer83 Agree. You are referring to Hannebery I’m guessing. Saints could have had Petracca and Bontempelli instead of McCartin and Billings. Now that really hurts!!
No didn’t know about the hannebery one. I’m talking about the recent Max King deal, it’s outrageous. Edit- Just checked the Hannebery deal, that was 5 years not as bad as the king deal.
If Oliver is “damaged goods” Melbourne would get nothing for him. Pointless selling and getting nothing back. He will do a proper pre-season and be back in top form in 2025.
@@himalayanhealthhut6656 Risky as he is not a machine. He has been shopped around now for the second year so he would be rather pissed off. On top of this he has had issues in the past & from what has been shown by the club they don't appear to have the resources and/or culture to turn him around. Easy to say do a proper pre season but they are brutal and if his heart is not in it with the Melbourne club there is a high probability of failure and if he has issues again during the year or plays like this year they will get nothing for him. They both need fresh starts. I love how the club has said that they think that they can fall in love again......what is the % of people who fall in love again once they are out of love......
@@himalayanhealthhut6656Yes I agree, my take is he knows he’s not going anywhere, he’s going to knuckle down get rid of a few kilos, get into the best shape possible and repay Melbourne that bucket load of money they deposit into his bank account each month.
Like with Stengle a dormant story about Collingwood will pop up like a virus to draw attention away, if ever they’re photographed munted in a Geelong pub ( the ice capital of the world)
Such jealous comments. Sure- bring it on. But if they are proven to be exonerated will you stop wingeing, and start demanding that your team get a better culture?
Go ahead. We have nothing to hide. But I have a rule "Don't ask things of others which you won't do yourselves". So every club should get their books audited, including yours. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.
Geelong are an AFL pet team Fact- 4 AFL board members are geelong supporters, thats the reason why they wanted dangerfield on the AFL board and look at all the cash the AFL gave them for multiple upgrades to Kardinia Park and i will bet you geedong's salary cap that dangerfield will get on the board upon retirement
@@dhenderson1810 haha you’re a charming character. I put it on the players it’s too hard for them to create success at their own club so they run off chasing success at Geelong. No perseverance or loyalty these days.
I hate Geelong too and I have no shame in admitting it because they are always in the damn finals. I'd love to see them on the bottom for a decade and give other teams a chance
@@fashie4968 So you hate a team because they are successful. Well if you follow a team that is a cellar dweller, then I suggest you look at how your club is run. Tall poppy syndrome! If you want to see other teams up the top then how about they get more talent into their team.
How do they keep doing this? You seriously haven't heard the rumours?? Re: Geelong's endless salary cap? Where everyone gets an undeclared farm down on the Bellarine Peninsular, everyone gets an undeclared ambassadorship..... I can't believe no one at the AFL hasn't looked into the Cats and their seemingly endless ability to recruit whoever they want within the 'confines' of the salary 'cap'.😂
Haha so true, the AFL doesn't even know Geelong exists lol. Especially when they put the roster together, a lot of Geelong's "home" games are at the MCG vs Collingwood, Hawthorn, Melbourne etc. I have no idea how Geelong is able to give all this land to these players and the land doesn't run out, or the AFL doesn't catch on! Almost like it's a fallacy made up to help people cope 😂
Add Cotton on and land packages with Simmonds Homes out at Armstrong Creek. Although to give them credit it’s a well run club in every department players do want to be apart of
@@Memphis2010GFCThats not the dodgy aspect. Its do with the fact so many good and great players they have brought in through the trade and free agency for almost a decade keep taking significant pay cuts that are well and truly below their market value while every other club in that whole time has either been paying the market value or overpaying the value. Its basically almost mid-late 2000's Melbourne Storm level of dodgyness and quite simply doesn't add up based off the Salary Cap is supposed to work.
@@taliamason7986 Geelong is a destination club for very obvious reasons. Many players enjoy the lifestyle of not being in Melbourne. So, the "incoming players" are prepared to take a pay cut. That says a lot about the players and what they value - success, a better lifestyle rather than money! Melbourne Storm were caught breaching the salary cap. Geelong has not breached the cap. It is merely sound management and players wanting to be at the club. Like many successful clubs (e.g. Hawthorn, premiership players), the players are prepared to take a pay cut in order to be at a club. It is not dogy at all. Hawkins, for example, in the last few seasons was on a low money contract.
Bevo holds the greatest blame. He kept constantly playing him out of position and just general experiments with so many of his players far too much at the cost of top 4 and even top 8 at times. No wonder some of them end up wanting out.
@@taliamason7986 I do think, Melbourne seems to cop a lot on "culture", yet the Bulldogs have had three players potentially walk out on them (Smith, Macrae and Daniel), all because of the coach. The Bulldogs' culture needs to be investigated as well, but the media consider the club such an afterthought that they get away with it. Maybe they don't want to be part of your shitty culture anymore.
I expect them to thrive at the cats. Geelong, one of the best run sports clubs in the world.
I genuinely believe that with Geelong's possible trade ins their midfield is going to be strong. Great video mate, you just keep delivering.
Dangerfield will be 35, Oliver looks cooked, Martin plays about 6 games a year and there are doubts over Smith, mentally and physically …
@@ma3stro681 true, and I also think Geelong's list is strong Martin will probably be stuck playing vfl, maybe scraping 1 or 2 games. If Oliver does go to cats, he'd be too slow, and cats would most likely delist him or play him in vfl like martin
One reason people might or might not know is they dont require the players to be at the club 5 days a week, but when they are at training they go hard, its refreshing for players having more of their own time.
Your analysis of Bailey Smith is absolutely on. For some reason he is treated like a superstar when he isn't actually close to been one yet. He simply posseses a great deal of raw talent with the potential to become a superstar but is still young. A lot like a younger Jordan De Goey circa 2018.
Then the Bulldogs will accept a fourth round pick for him then.
Every club tries to lure players from other clubs. Brisbane & Sydney have done it extremely well over the years, and Hawthorn, Adelaide & Freo look to me to be the trade winners so far. But you also have to have clever drafting and player development programs as well. Geelong has brought in some high-end talent over the past 8 years, but the reason they have remained competitive is in drafting and player development. 8 players that started from the Rookie List (Blicavs, Close, Z.Guthrie, J.Henry, Atkins, O'Connor, Dempsey & Mullen) have developed into AFL players, along with another 5 players who were drafted after pick 39 (Stewart, Kolo, Miers, Humphries & Bews).
Another reason is that we find mature age players in the VFL and rookie lists and we put three or four years of development into players before they get regular senior games.
A lot of clubs draft unproven young players, play them before they are ready "to get games into them", whereas, at Geelong, you need to "earn" a game.
We play for the "now", not the future. A lot of other teams are happy to sacrifice present success for the hope of the future.
We also get the best out of players.
Geelong "build" on the run, and keep being successful, while other teams "rebuild" and take years to have a competitive team.
It is no coincidence that the two teams who have never bottomed out, Geelong and Sydney Swans, have played the most finals. Because other teams have a defeatist mentality of "rebuilding", and that "it is okay to lose, or that losing is a learning experience and then wonder why players want to leave for success.
@@dhenderson1810 once danger and cameron are done the cats are done! See if im wrong in a few years! Id love to see cats replace danger with equal talent and cameron with equal talent! This season showed you take just danger out cats are lost so take cameron out its over! Then tazzie will come in and take the draft with them and cats will be in midland! And in last 13 years cats 1 cup hawks 3! And now hawks are young and full of talent ready for another 10 years! Dont forget 13 of our best 18 are 23 years old and under! 19 20 21 year olds! 2 if our best forwards are 19! The whole ground is full of talented youth! If your happy to hang around the top 8 and 1 cup in 13 years im happy for you but unless you win the cup who cares were you finish! As sam said hawks dont build teams to stay in top 8 and win the odd flag we build powerhouse teams to dominate for a decade win 3 or 4 cups then sit quietly near the bottom for 4 years then bang another dynasty! Cats 07 09 and 2011 was a true powerhouse built on top draft picks trades and seconds talent from other clubs! Look at ambrossio could not get a game in dons 1st team but hawks see the potential this year best winger in the comp! Or meek could not get a game at freo now one of the best ruckman in the comp! Or trading up the draft to get weddle and 20 year old freak! See we nail draft picks we dont stuff up! Yes denver is not the best but only 21 years old as a key defenfer they take time! Anyway hawks are back yet again its a proven formula for 65 years cups every decade! Its no fluke or luck! 🤎💛💪🏆🏆🏆🏆next 10 years its only just begun!!
@@glennwalker2996 So, you go for Hawthorn. Thought so.
Obviously Geelong live rent free in your head after beating you 11 times in a row.
We beat you twice this year, including during your winning streak.
You ONLY did well because you had a favourable draw, you beat interstate teams in Tassie or Victoria, beat lowly teams or an injured Carlton.
You didn't beat Sydney in Sydney, Brisbane at the Gabba or beat anyone above you.
You will get a harsher draw next year.
Also, you won a lot of those flags because you had the umpires in your pockets. Your thug players like Dipper, Dermie and Ayres, knew how to sucker punch and not get caught, while the retaliator got caught.
Also, when Tassie comes in, no more getting gifted interstate teams in Tassie. You won't get the Tassie dollar any more.
You talk about your four flags this decade, yet your so-called "family club" stabbed Alistair Clarkson in the back and then ran a smear campaign against him allegedly saying something "offensive" to an Aboriginal, yet still let Jeff Kennett, who everyone knows insulted Cyril and his wife and has a collection of golliwogs have a say over the club. You ignore his racism, which is known, yet believe unproven allegations against your most successful coach in history. And you launch it the week Clarko gets a new coaching job, like you are angry that he dare coach another club, when he was out of contract and you sacked him.
Piss off mate. You and your piss and poo coloured team are a joke. The biggest mistake Geelong made was allowing you into the league in 1925. Prahran wanted a license. Should have given it to them instead of ungrateful turds, Hawthorn.
At least we don't burn our most successful coach as a way of insincere "virtue signalling".
Besides, if your club is SO much better, then why even care what we do? We shouldn't be front of mind.
It is because we constantly live rent free in your otherwise empty heads. That's why.
Whereas, Geelong supporters don't even think about your club. We see you in the rear view mirror as we drive past on the road to success.
When Dangerfield and Cameron retire, so what? We will just use free agency to get in new players. We will just use free agency during the Tassie years.
Also, if we go down the ladder, we will only be down for one, maybe two years max, and will bounce up again. Despite the lies, we actually have a lot of good youngsters. Dempsey, DeKoning, Atkins, Bruhn, Bowes, Conway, Neale, Zack Guthrie, Max Holmes, Bailey Smith is only 24, Mannagh, Clark, Mullin etc, and we can always top up free agency, trades, supplemental draft and by using our VFL side. We also built our 2007-11 AFL premierships off the back of players who went 30 or later in the 1999 and 2001 drafts, so even low picks work for us. We got Lawson Humphries for low picks last year.
So you keep playing your inexperienced players with your inexperienced coach. Wait until teams come for you, your gravy train is over.
Besides, if the draft is SO good, why did you bring in players from other clubs? Shouldn't the draft be your one and only source of getting players, or are you hypocrites? I though Sam Mitchell was rebuilding.
I think the edge Geelong have is their regional location. Players can live on a farm or outside of the cities which is appealing for many kids who grew up living in the country.
Ahhh the fucking melts in here 🤣🤣
1:45 to be fair they've been playing footy together since the Oakleigh days as teens, can't read much into them hanging other than we don't live in some old pro wrestling era of footy where rivals can't be friends
I don’t think we’ll have the capital to get Oliver, I think we’d be hesitant to give up SDK or Neale and our first round pick this year will go to the Dogs
Great Video 👍
thanks
I love barracking for Geelong
Every year has the possibility of winning a flag
You’re definitely under 30.. used to be depressing and lots of self deprivation.
At the start of the century a Geelong captain left for North Melbourne to win a Premiership.
Hard to see how Oliver could get to the Cats. Another case of golden handcuffs.
It will be a struggle. Why would Melbourne release him unless he is an absolute pain to deal with. My question is… Why would Geelong consider taking him? As a Geelong supporter I would want to know he was not acting the way he acts at Melbourne.
The thing is- Melbourne is known to have a poor culture. Petracca proves that… not only does he highlight it, he himself is an example of it.
If Geelong take him on, there better be a short leash.
@@travelwithroland2 The only way I see it happening is if Oliver demands a trade and nominates Geelong.
@@dhenderson1810Exactly, Oliver needs to come out and formally request a trade to Geelong tomorrow or it won’t get done.
i thought Melbourne wouldn't trade Oliver under any circumstances
People ask this question but without the correct context.
There is clear evidence to at Geelong has influence over the Falcons and their players tend to miraculously return.
Paddy McCArtin evidenced this in an interview pre 2022 GF where Steve Johnson had a conversation in that past where it was more than intimated he should “return home”
Free agency was seen as a tool to level the competition where team with cap space could make their way up the ladder.
Geelong has now made itself a “destination club” where you go to win flags.
There needs to be a change in the rules similar to that of the amount of 1st round picks that can be traded over a period of time, to stop clubs from doing what Geelong are doing now.
If this was an interstate tie am doing this there’d be an uproar.
Danger and Cameron were free agents but the Cats actually had to trade for them and gave a lot. Collingwood just picked up a free agent, as did Adelaide, Hawthorn. As for the Falcons clearly if a young kid is playing for them they are from the Geelong area and hence more likely to appreciate the regional lifestyle and have their family in the area no different to a player who grows up playing for Sandringham Dragons may want to return later in life. Regional is not for everyone and some players personality types prefer living in the big cities. The key thing in all of this is that Geelong has created an incredible & professional club all round which allows players to develop & reach their max potential and have a chance to contend for a flag every year. If Geelong was performing at the bottom of the ladder less players would return. An example of a club currently being poorly run is Melbourne where both Petracca an Oliver would leave if their contracts were not so difficult to exit and draft capital required so high. If this year you could trade draft picks 2 years forward ( it's starting next years trade period) Petracca would be out. Look at Dan Houston who was almost locked into going to Melbourne & quickly changed once the shit hit the fan with Melbourne issues. I'm only using this as an example of how the good players want to go to well run clubs.
What a sook! Wow! You are saying that because Geelong helps out the Geelong Falcons, but don’t get any advantage to this in the actual draft, but because they treat the players well they want to go and play for Geelong later on… then Geelong are not allowed to do that?
Clear evidence of a well run club.
Collingwood definitely have the pull of players because they have the most supporters and players grow up dreaming of wanting to play for Collingwood. Maybe we should ban that… work out a way for Collingwood supporters to never be able to play for Collingwood because they have that advantage.
Oh… and while we are at it, those that grow up wanting to play for Adelaide, Port Adelaide, West Coast… they are abusing the system too, because Adelaide etc have people in their state want to play for them.
Oh… and there is clear evidence about Hawthorn… especially because they have done well in Tassie… we can’t have anyone from Tassie play for them because they are cheating the system.
What a jealous little comment that shows clearly you hate the fact that your team does not do it well.
The reality is- free agency means that players can choose… unfortunately what this means is… everyone know that if you play for one of these clubs… Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong, and Sydney you are more likely to win a flag… history shows that…. So these become destination clubs. Sydney does not struggle to get players to go there but GWS does. Collingwood is definitely a destination club, as is Geelong.
@@mauricetermesana9419 You're right.
Only twice has a team matched for RFAs, and both times, it was when Geelong were bringing in a player.
We gave up picks for Dangerfield and Cameron when the truth is, we could have offered nothing and still got them. No other club has had to give picks for RFAs except Geelong, because the rest of the competition is jealous of our success.
Fix your own club and make it attractive rather than change rules.
Besides, interstate clubs get kissed on the dick by the AFL by having academies. Sydney and Brisbane wouldn't have played in the Grand Final if it wasn't for academies, the biggest leg-up in the game.
The Swans have been in Sydney for 42 years. Time to cut off their assistance and they stand on their own two feet, like Victorian clubs do.
I would change the rule that the interstate team gets access to one academy kid a season, then the others are open slather for any club to draft. If the interstate clubs want more academy kids, they can trade for them.
No, you go there to get a free farm.
Go Cats
Other clubs should learn from us.
I believe dees Hoyle just give Oliver away to get rid of cap space
Dogs should benchmark Smith against Tim Kelly.
I wouldn't call it luck
Clayton just needs Geelong therapy
Why do i think that geelong can somehow get both of them😂 i never doubt mackie, he has done the boldest and most successful trades. Smith can happen and oliver is looking for a fresh start after his downhill years
Mackie will become the new didoro list managers already hate how he deals with them#flog
Jealousy is a curse
womp womp
flog
Geelong has been fair in deals over the years.
You just want Geelong to give up players for a fourth round pick, yet want two first rounders when you are trading a player to us, because you are jealous that we are more successful than your joke of a club.
Which club do you go for, by the way? I need a good laugh.
How do they keep doing this? Well no other Victorian club has a fortress all to themselves like Geelong does. All other Victorian clubs have to share either Marvel or the MCG. Sure ...... the GF has to be won on the MCG but with a massive home ground advantage and a few wins on the road pretty much guarantees them playing in September consistently from year to year and reason why they rarely bottom out on the ladder.
I think they are a better run club than most, making good short and long term decisions. Like all clubs they’ve made mistakes, but you don’t see Geelong doing something as silly as signing an injury riddled player for 8 years (saints)
@@Chessdrummer83 Agree. You are referring to Hannebery I’m guessing. Saints could have had Petracca and Bontempelli instead of McCartin and Billings. Now that really hurts!!
No didn’t know about the hannebery one. I’m talking about the recent Max King deal, it’s outrageous. Edit- Just checked the Hannebery deal, that was 5 years not as bad as the king deal.
I don’t think they going to get even of this guys they may get one but definitely not both don’t believe the media
Oliver is damaged goods. Melbourne should off-load him, not double down. But the Demons are a train wreck of a club these days …
If Oliver is “damaged goods” Melbourne would get nothing for him. Pointless selling and getting nothing back. He will do a proper pre-season and be back in top form in 2025.
Tyson Stengel says hi
@@himalayanhealthhut6656 Risky as he is not a machine. He has been shopped around now for the second year so he would be rather pissed off. On top of this he has had issues in the past & from what has been shown by the club they don't appear to have the resources and/or culture to turn him around. Easy to say do a proper pre season but they are brutal and if his heart is not in it with the Melbourne club there is a high probability of failure and if he has issues again during the year or plays like this year they will get nothing for him. They both need fresh starts. I love how the club has said that they think that they can fall in love again......what is the % of people who fall in love again once they are out of love......
@@mauricetermesana9419 Plus "It's all about my brand" Petracca doesn't want him there, taking his spotlight.
@@himalayanhealthhut6656Yes I agree, my take is he knows he’s not going anywhere, he’s going to knuckle down get rid of a few kilos, get into the best shape possible and repay Melbourne that bucket load of money they deposit into his bank account each month.
Two proven drug addicts, what could possibly go wrong?
Like with Stengle a dormant story about Collingwood will pop up like a virus to draw attention away, if ever they’re photographed munted in a Geelong pub ( the ice capital of the world)
Second🎉🎉🎉
Geelong needs to be audited.
Such jealous comments. Sure- bring it on.
But if they are proven to be exonerated will you stop wingeing, and start demanding that your team get a better culture?
Go ahead.
We have nothing to hide.
But I have a rule "Don't ask things of others which you won't do yourselves".
So every club should get their books audited, including yours.
If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.
Here's an idea, tell your club to get good. 😂
Geelong are an AFL pet team
Fact-
4 AFL board members are geelong supporters, thats the reason why they wanted dangerfield on the AFL board and look at all the cash the AFL gave them for multiple upgrades to Kardinia Park and i will bet you geedong's salary cap that dangerfield will get on the board upon retirement
@@travelwithroland2 My team doesn't get favours from the AFL
Clarry going nowhere. Bunch of hot air.
Cope harder
Geelong has poached the best players from other clubs
Maybe they want to play for a successful, well run club rather than whatever your joke of a club is.
@@dhenderson1810 haha you’re a charming character. I put it on the players it’s too hard for them to create success at their own club so they run off chasing success at Geelong. No perseverance or loyalty these days.
I despise Geelong so much.
Yes, you probably despise them as they are so successful!
You are jealous. Geelong being an original club 1859. Go Cats
I hate Geelong too and I have no shame in admitting it because they are always in the damn finals. I'd love to see them on the bottom for a decade and give other teams a chance
@@fashie4968 So you hate a team because they are successful. Well if you follow a team that is a cellar dweller, then I suggest you look at how your club is run. Tall poppy syndrome! If you want to see other teams up the top then how about they get more talent into their team.
There's no shame in rooting for the underdogs besides many teams have plenty of talent, enough to make formidable teams of football
How do they keep doing this? You seriously haven't heard the rumours?? Re: Geelong's endless salary cap? Where everyone gets an undeclared farm down on the Bellarine Peninsular, everyone gets an undeclared ambassadorship..... I can't believe no one at the AFL hasn't looked into the Cats and their seemingly endless ability to recruit whoever they want within the 'confines' of the salary 'cap'.😂
Haha so true, the AFL doesn't even know Geelong exists lol.
Especially when they put the roster together, a lot of Geelong's "home" games are at the MCG vs Collingwood, Hawthorn, Melbourne etc.
I have no idea how Geelong is able to give all this land to these players and the land doesn't run out, or the AFL doesn't catch on!
Almost like it's a fallacy made up to help people cope 😂
Add Cotton on and land packages with Simmonds Homes out at Armstrong Creek.
Although to give them credit it’s a well run club in every department players do want to be apart of
@@tommyandrewd uhuh, I actually heard they had partnered with Israel and were giving them Palestinian property in the West Bank! When will it end?
Dodgy Geelong
Not dodgy at al. A well-managed club where players want to be there - including prepared to play for much less than their market value!
A great club. One of the originals. 1859. Go Cats
@@Memphis2010GFCThats not the dodgy aspect. Its do with the fact so many good and great players they have brought in through the trade and free agency for almost a decade keep taking significant pay cuts that are well and truly below their market value while every other club in that whole time has either been paying the market value or overpaying the value. Its basically almost mid-late 2000's Melbourne Storm level of dodgyness and quite simply doesn't add up based off the Salary Cap is supposed to work.
@@taliamason7986 Geelong is a destination club for very obvious reasons. Many players enjoy the lifestyle of not being in Melbourne. So, the "incoming players" are prepared to take a pay cut. That says a lot about the players and what they value - success, a better lifestyle rather than money! Melbourne Storm were caught breaching the salary cap. Geelong has not breached the cap. It is merely sound management and players wanting to be at the club. Like many successful clubs (e.g. Hawthorn, premiership players), the players are prepared to take a pay cut in order to be at a club. It is not dogy at all. Hawkins, for example, in the last few seasons was on a low money contract.
@@taliamason7986trade off for lifestyle
How could bulldogs let him go
Bevo holds the greatest blame. He kept constantly playing him out of position and just general experiments with so many of his players far too much at the cost of top 4 and even top 8 at times. No wonder some of them end up wanting out.
@@taliamason7986 I do think, Melbourne seems to cop a lot on "culture", yet the Bulldogs have had three players potentially walk out on them (Smith, Macrae and Daniel), all because of the coach.
The Bulldogs' culture needs to be investigated as well, but the media consider the club such an afterthought that they get away with it.
Maybe they don't want to be part of your shitty culture anymore.