I use to like the form factor of the Sony Handycams from the early 2000s. I wasn't aware of the the MicroMV format, nor the networking capabilities; great insight!
I can not believe you had this today. I have been trying to figure out this lil camera on and off for a few yes now. I also had both of the other SONY’s in your video! Thank you
Sony could blame its failure on poor timing... they introduced MicroMV on September 22, 2001, when the economy was already doing poorly after the "dot-com bubble" burst, and obviously recent events were dominating the news.
MP2 audio was already used by D-VHS, Video CD, and DVDs by the time MicroMV was introduced, so it was an established industry standard. Even today, MP2 audio is considered to be more suitable for broadcasting than MP3 or AC3, because it has more robust error correction and suffers less degradation when re-encoded or transcoded to another lossy compression scheme.
This is another channel I have stumbled across recently. And I'm glad that I did. Was kinda put off by the style but it reminded me of the old school TH-cam days, and I love the old tech. I'm 19 and love all of that but never got to play with any of it. I would buy some cheap computers or take some old pentium 2 computers from my high school a few years back. But, you go through a lot of detail and obviously love all this stuff too, which makes me love this channel, another sub!
+vwestlife not really sure who those are, but I'm sure I would enjoy their channels as well, I recently had surgery so while I'm recovering I'll be binge watching your videos!
Wow...I started researching camcorders and stuff because my dad had a really small cassette tape which was the MicroMV. I asked him if we could play but he said it was already impossible. Although I really want to see what’s in it that’s why I’m here :)) ahaha this is pretty cool tho. Can’t believe it was between 2001-2003.. I was born 2002 and this is pretty amazing :))
When connected to a MicroMV camcorder, Windows XP Movie Maker gives an error message when attempting to capture video, and iMovie HD '06 just ignores it and reverts to the built-in webcam. iMovie '08 incorrectly recognizes it as an HDV camcorder but otherwise works fine, and even detects the scene changes, splitting each scene into its own video clip.
I recently picked up a DCR-IP7 from a thrift store for $10, a far cry from the original MSRP... It came with a good tape but had a dud battery and no charger. Spent $18 for a power adaptor and generic battery to find the camcorder works perfect. I bought an extra new, unopened mv cassette but decided not to open it since the original tape works okay. Doubt ill really be using this camcorder for anything since i've long switched to SD cards and anything I have that's on tape is on 8mm, Digital8 or MiniDV and i've converted most of my footage over to HDD storage. Needless to say it's a really neat camcorder. Sony was definately ahead of the game when it came to engineering but always seemed to screw up when it came to cramming their proprietary items down our throats.
I got these for much less than that. Those sellers asking $200 for a MicroMV camcorder are just hoping that someone has a desperate need to recover video from a MicroMV tape and is willing to pay that price.
I had just recieved the Sony DCR-IP45E and the original F battery still fully charges. I presume the previous owner must have bought it new as stock was running out.
Stupid question but... I've tried 3 different PCs and 2 different cables now, I can't get my DV camera to work on my computers to digitalize my childhood memories... I'm so close of giving up actually, I've tried for over 10 hours total now over 3 days. Dozens of drivers and fixes online, even tried it with Linux but no success either... Any ideas still?
What model of camcorder are you using? Also make sure the Firewire cable connections are tight. Sometimes you need to push it in firmly to get it to work.
I've tried a Panasonic NV-DS29 and Sony DCR-HC53E, both are not recongnized by any of the 5 PCs I've tried now. Even ordered a new PCIe Firewire card now and tried it today with various drivers, nothing. Also tried 3 different cables, some options on the camcorders (which shouldn't affect it anyways since none of those affect the DV output) and even different OS versions, beginning from Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10 and even Ubuntu... I'm slowly giving up here :(
EpicLPer Try connecting the two camcorders to each other via a 4-pin to 4-pin Firewire cable. If you can use that to transfer video between the two camcorders, then you know the problem is with your computer, not with the camcorders or the Firewire cable.
I have always had at least one HD camcorder ever since I started posting videos in 2008. I just don't regularly use HD due to the large amount of disk space and time spent editing and uploading it takes. 90% of TH-cam viewers are only watching in normal definition anyway.
The FCC has nothing to do with it, and 540p isn't even a real video standard. I only used 960x540 because that's the only non-HD widescreen resolution that the cheap version of Sony Vegas supports.
No closed GOP? No wonder it failed. The bitrate was there for properly recording the I-frame when you started recording again. I wonder if MovieShaker covered it up too? DVHS certainly doesn't suffer this problem. I am curious if one can do Firewire dubbing between MicroMV and DVHS seeing both are MPEG-2 TS formatted video with MPEG-1 Layer 2 audio. I know its possible with HDV.
the fact that this format's camera was not much smaller for this format was surely a drag but having smaller tape cassettes could also mean less storage space needed later to keep recorded material for those who'd keep the tapes after transferring video files to their computers ... so, this format wasn't too bad after all ... i guess what killed it was the camera's high price rather than the format itself perhaps, as well as people having difficulty transferring and editing its video files on their computers ... (but good quality cameras today still aren't cheap either, are they?) if i recall it right, back in the day, PCs were quite troublesome in that respect with other formats too, weren't they? they still are, if we consider the new 4K format for example, which the average PC cannot handle, for editing at least ... and that means no matter what format of camera and media storage (tape, memory card etc) we use, as soon as higher resolution sensors overtake the market (ruled by the larger screen size most people demand everyday) then even the best systems die much earlier than their days!
I remember selling these in the camera shop I worked in. The very few people who bought them where annoyed we stopped selling the tapes so quickly. But then again they asked for VHS cassette adapters to put them into their VCRs too and when I told them they didn't exist for this format they called me a liar so screw them!
+vwestlife Thought it may be an idea for you if you are interested in that kind of thing. I had one as a kid, pretty terrible quality, but was neat in its day.
+Richard Smith I used to have a PXL2000 back when I was a kid. Thank goodness my dad came from a television background in acting and news directing, I got all the cool Xmas gifts lol. I remember you had to specifically use the High Bias type II tapes. If you used Type I normal or Type IV Metal the picture would scramble. TDK SA-X tapes worked good.
I had an old Sony Handycam CCD-TR840E (I think) from about 1995, which is one year before I was born! My parents gave it to me when they bought a new Panasonic Video camera in 2006. That old Sony had a colour view finder, which was adjustable. It didn't have a fold out screen of any form which is I assume due to it being so old. The camera could do night vision (With infrared LEDs), and had picture effects with the ability to add titles to the video. Unfortunately It came with no easy way to hook it into the computer, so all the footage I filmed with the camera I just watched before taping over it. I really wish I had a way of storing the video because it would of been really nice to look back on it. The camera was eventually destroyed by my brother when I got a Sanyo VPC-SH1 in 2010 which I still use to this day (which takes SD cards).
***** I think my father used to use Firewire for the Panasonic camera to get the video onto the computer. The Panasonic also recorded everything to tape, but it was a much newer camera.
Can anyone tell my how the cassette memory works on MicroMV? Unlike MiniDV there are no obvious contacts. I have no idea how the camera reads from the advertised 64kbits chip inside.
I don't see you mentioned in your video. I am in desperate need to convert my old Micro MV tapes that I took 15 years with Sony's Handycam DCR-IP220. Would appreciate very much if you can tell me. Thanks again.
I like the way the screen flips out on the DCR-IP220. You should demonstrate browsing the internet on it, and try websites that haven't been updated since around the time the camcorder was made!
@5:35 I wonder.. how many micro-servo style actuators were used to push out the cassette? pretty intricate for its time.. with a warning too? too bad Sony hogs up potentially awesome tech, mini-disc was my fav. ..Didn't they over-build a camcorder that had produced an x-ray vision that they re-called? xD
It's funny that Sony had all kinds of cassette formats that died and the UMD format which died, yet somehow their Blu-Ray format won over HD-DVD which is a true shame as I would much prefer to have the ability to carry one disk which plays in both standard and HD format.
Sony owns several big motion picture companies (including Columbia), so they were able to get a large amount movies released on Blu-Ray, which is why it beat HD-DVD in the marketplace.
+vwestlife Actually Sony learned from how Betamax lost to VHS and got a lot of hardware and movie partners to join it. Also the PS3 having a built in Blu Ray player made it so that way more people had Blu Ray players than HD DVD players and because of that Blu Ray movies outsold them by a huge margin.
+WebVMan UMD was essentially euthanized by Sony, the gamers were still enjoying their UMD PSPs (and many still do) but Sony released the PSP Go, which of course was a flop before finally releasing the PS Vita, which did much better than the PSP Go, but was still not very successful mostly because many gamers didn't want to buy a handheld that was not fully backwards compatible besides buying the games again digitally or using ones they already had gotten digitally on their PSP or PSP Go (which the majority didn't have). I still see people who love their PSP and play their UMDs, just as I see people who still enjoy their PS2s or PS3s. But it's easy to see why they did, UMD based PSPs were big, and most of all, both the UMDs and the reader inside the PSP were more expensive than releasing games on memory cards or digitally. In addition, the readers were more fragile along with the discs.
+WebVMan Also, many companies did develop hybrid discs that would both play as a Blu-Ray and a DVD such as this: readwrite.com/2008/12/21/hybrid_blu-ray_dvd_disc_announ, but it was never fully adopted, although for a while many movies came on a dual sided disc that provided similar functionality along with the movies that came in a dual disc pack. If they adopted the hybrid discs, it would have been possible to release movies that were playable on both systems, but didn't cost extra.
Any current Mac software that imports microMV? I heard Apple unfortunately dumped micromv in iMovie 10 so that’s one less piece of modern software to import footage.
Correct, it doesn't work in iMovie 10 anymore. You need iMovie '08 to '11. But it really works best with an older version of Sony Vegas on a PC -- then it can actually split the video into scenes without the visible corruption.
That still camera is far from the smallest still camera available in 2002, how ever that cam accorded was remarkably tiny for the time. Sony has so many competing formats on sale back then. There was digital8, DVD, Mini DV, some that wrote to Memory stick.... All soon to be wiped out by there HDD based models.
Of course Sony would support a random format for media storage. Seriously, Sony tries way too hard to re-invent the wheel and they seem to have way more failed ideas than successes, when it comes down to media storage.
I can tell that you recorded this video on digital 8 or mini DV, or mirco MV because when you cut the footage with the camera theres a little bit of video corruption inbetween cuts. :-D EDIT: NEVERMIND! LOL great video!
No... as I explained in the video, all of this video was recorded using MicroMV. I have two MicroMV camcorders so I was able to switch back and forth between them.
Dude, i have the exact same camcorder as yours. I have videos of me as a kid, but i dont know how to transfer it to digital. Please help if you can. Were you using the micromv to usb cable or the dc in?
It won't work over USB. You need a computer with a FireWire (also known as IEEE-1394 or i.Link) input. On Macs you can use a Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter, but a cheap USB to FireWire adapter will not work.
Yeah, I googled after I left the comment(maybe I should have done that before!) and read up on mp2 a bit. I was going off the only mp2 files I ever remember running across in the past, which sounded like pure crap. This was back in either 1996 or 1997 when I first discovered mp3 files, and occasionally ran across mp2 files as well. They rrobably were from a bad source and low bitrate, since even mp3s at the time where 96, 112, or 128k.
DVHS was a consumer-only format I'm afraid, the (now outdated) pro VHS derivatives are dead, the last holdout being DigitalS. Digital Betacam's on its last legs, too; hard drives and flash memory are eating up the market.
What an oddity with a bunch of odd design choices. First, the obscure tape format, and then to not write an on startup is just plain silly. Then, picking mp2(as in mpeg 1, layer 2 I assume) audio is another odd choice, and a fairly low bitrate for that codec to produce good audio outside of human speech. Top it off with an obscure battery package and you got all the makings of a flop!
Also, the "PC Editing" line is only good if you have a firewire port. Strange thing about that, I've only seen that native in Tablet PCs (not to be confused with tablets, I'm talking about convertable tablet laptop PCs, which I assume is due to their use in editing and converting videos). I have yet to see a desktop PC that has firewire built in by default.
@@vwestlife no , i mean you were talking about the existance of those tapes and forgot to mention dv . You mentioned micro mv , mini dv, hi8, vhs c and vhs but left out dv itself . There was a regular dv tape back then which wasnt mentioned in the beginning . Great video any ways
Thank Osiris they came out with DVD 8cm camcorders. A camera that you have to do a lot of work to edit and archive to a easily playable format is not going to be a camera you use very often. But with the DVD camera you don't think twice before shooting a moment you don't think will happen again. And since you recorded the DVD yourself there's no copy protection so it's just 'cat /dev/sr0 |pv >/home/yourname/Videos/Digital_Camera_Videos/my_dvd_movie.iso'
Sony has a track record for dead formats.
+Winston Smith
they kinda got it with blu ray though.
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Well not really...video8, Hi8, Digital8, and MiniDV were all very successful videotape formats by Sony.
What about "Universal" Media Disc?
and Betamax wasn't that bad after all ...
many people used both Betamax as well as VHS formats together for quite some time ...
the 480p adds to his channel, i think it gives it character
"some of the video it came with...some kid's birthday party and stuff like that."
This happens to me half the time I buy an old camcorder. Kinda sad.
I happened to get someones Christmas movie, from a 1989 or 1990 camcorder, funny that the recording was from 2003
I use to like the form factor of the Sony Handycams from the early 2000s. I wasn't aware of the the MicroMV format, nor the networking capabilities; great insight!
As I said in the video, it is optical zoom. (No such thing as "analog" zoom.)
I can not believe you had this today. I have been trying to figure out this lil camera on and off for a few yes now. I also had both of the other SONY’s in your video!
Thank you
Sony could blame its failure on poor timing... they introduced MicroMV on September 22, 2001, when the economy was already doing poorly after the "dot-com bubble" burst, and obviously recent events were dominating the news.
MP2 audio was already used by D-VHS, Video CD, and DVDs by the time MicroMV was introduced, so it was an established industry standard. Even today, MP2 audio is considered to be more suitable for broadcasting than MP3 or AC3, because it has more robust error correction and suffers less degradation when re-encoded or transcoded to another lossy compression scheme.
Are there any new ways to transfer the footage? I am also curious if it works on the VRD-MC5?
Really enjoyed this. I didn't know that this format existed. Thanks for doing this.
So happy to learn about CapD-VHS! Just acquired a MicroMV camcorder and have been scratching my head on transferring from tape to computer!
An old version of Sony Vegas Movie Studio works even better. See Techmoan's video about MicroMV.
This is another channel I have stumbled across recently. And I'm glad that I did. Was kinda put off by the style but it reminded me of the old school TH-cam days, and I love the old tech. I'm 19 and love all of that but never got to play with any of it. I would buy some cheap computers or take some old pentium 2 computers from my high school a few years back. But, you go through a lot of detail and obviously love all this stuff too, which makes me love this channel, another sub!
My "style" is a combination of Retrochad and uxwbill -- those were my two biggest influences when I started making videos.
+vwestlife not really sure who those are, but I'm sure I would enjoy their channels as well, I recently had surgery so while I'm recovering I'll be binge watching your videos!
Luke Brosious how are you feeling?
This video was actually uploaded at 540p (960x540 resolution), but TH-cam scales it down to 480p.
Wow...I started researching camcorders and stuff because my dad had a really small cassette tape which was the MicroMV. I asked him if we could play but he said it was already impossible. Although I really want to see what’s in it that’s why I’m here :)) ahaha this is pretty cool tho. Can’t believe it was between 2001-2003.. I was born 2002 and this is pretty amazing :))
Got one of these this year in 2022 with some old electronics. I really like the tape size, but still have to play with it.
the tape ejection sounds like crying baby
And I thought Mini DV had a weird tape ejection sound
The cheapest version of Sony Vegas costs $44.95, although sometimes you can find it on sale for as low as $29.95. There is no free version.
The camcorder uses the Cassette Memory chip to keep track of the scene changes. I don't know if it's possible to pull that data through FireWire.
For those wondering, the DVHS video referenced towards the end of this video has been made. It only took me 5+ years.
those old mechanisms for the tape ejection are so cool
I've got D-VHS seeing my Sony IP1E fine but Sony Vegas 11 pro rec by techmoan doesn't see it with import etc. Using Win 10 64 but here. Any ideas ?
It’s tiny and beautiful and I love it.
That's what she said.
When connected to a MicroMV camcorder, Windows XP Movie Maker gives an error message when attempting to capture video, and iMovie HD '06 just ignores it and reverts to the built-in webcam. iMovie '08 incorrectly recognizes it as an HDV camcorder but otherwise works fine, and even detects the scene changes, splitting each scene into its own video clip.
It can browse 2002 internet but... can it run DOOM?
I recently picked up a DCR-IP7 from a thrift store for $10, a far cry from the original MSRP... It came with a good tape but had a dud battery and no charger. Spent $18 for a power adaptor and generic battery to find the camcorder works perfect. I bought an extra new, unopened mv cassette but decided not to open it since the original tape works okay. Doubt ill really be using this camcorder for anything since i've long switched to SD cards and anything I have that's on tape is on 8mm, Digital8 or MiniDV and i've converted most of my footage over to HDD storage. Needless to say it's a really neat camcorder. Sony was definately ahead of the game when it came to engineering but always seemed to screw up when it came to cramming their proprietary items down our throats.
I got these for much less than that. Those sellers asking $200 for a MicroMV camcorder are just hoping that someone has a desperate need to recover video from a MicroMV tape and is willing to pay that price.
I had just recieved the Sony DCR-IP45E and the original F battery still fully charges. I presume the previous owner must have bought it new as stock was running out.
App Used:
Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD 11.0
©2011-2022 Sony Creative Software LLC.
I always thought mini DV was the smallest size video tapes, didn't think they could possibly get any smaller!
Stupid question but... I've tried 3 different PCs and 2 different cables now, I can't get my DV camera to work on my computers to digitalize my childhood memories... I'm so close of giving up actually, I've tried for over 10 hours total now over 3 days. Dozens of drivers and fixes online, even tried it with Linux but no success either...
Any ideas still?
What model of camcorder are you using? Also make sure the Firewire cable connections are tight. Sometimes you need to push it in firmly to get it to work.
I've tried a Panasonic NV-DS29 and Sony DCR-HC53E, both are not recongnized by any of the 5 PCs I've tried now. Even ordered a new PCIe Firewire card now and tried it today with various drivers, nothing. Also tried 3 different cables, some options on the camcorders (which shouldn't affect it anyways since none of those affect the DV output) and even different OS versions, beginning from Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10 and even Ubuntu... I'm slowly giving up here :(
EpicLPer
Try connecting the two camcorders to each other via a 4-pin to 4-pin Firewire cable. If you can use that to transfer video between the two camcorders, then you know the problem is with your computer, not with the camcorders or the Firewire cable.
I don't think that those have a DV record function, only DV playback.
EpicLPer
You should still see a "DV IN" indication on the display when you connect them (or to a computer).
I have always had at least one HD camcorder ever since I started posting videos in 2008. I just don't regularly use HD due to the large amount of disk space and time spent editing and uploading it takes. 90% of TH-cam viewers are only watching in normal definition anyway.
:/
Thats a really fast zoom
3:37
The FCC has nothing to do with it, and 540p isn't even a real video standard. I only used 960x540 because that's the only non-HD widescreen resolution that the cheap version of Sony Vegas supports.
Had one of these, was a great camera for the time.
No closed GOP? No wonder it failed. The bitrate was there for properly recording the I-frame when you started recording again. I wonder if MovieShaker covered it up too? DVHS certainly doesn't suffer this problem. I am curious if one can do Firewire dubbing between MicroMV and DVHS seeing both are MPEG-2 TS formatted video with MPEG-1 Layer 2 audio. I know its possible with HDV.
i like that too ...very cool piece of hardware..i love obscure or and failed ....as long as it is interesting to me..
the fact that this format's camera was not much smaller for this format was surely a drag but having smaller tape cassettes could also mean less storage space needed later to keep recorded material for those who'd keep the tapes after transferring video files to their computers ... so, this format wasn't too bad after all ...
i guess what killed it was the camera's high price rather than the format itself perhaps, as well as people having difficulty transferring and editing its video files on their computers ... (but good quality cameras today still aren't cheap either, are they?) if i recall it right, back in the day, PCs were quite troublesome in that respect with other formats too, weren't they? they still are, if we consider the new 4K format for example, which the average PC cannot handle, for editing at least ... and that means no matter what format of camera and media storage (tape, memory card etc) we use, as soon as higher resolution sensors overtake the market (ruled by the larger screen size most people demand everyday) then even the best systems die much earlier than their days!
Aha, I found the same remote in the dumpster a while ago, did not find the associated device. Now I know it belongs to this device. Thanks.
I remember selling these in the camera shop I worked in. The very few people who bought them where annoyed we stopped selling the tapes so quickly. But then again they asked for VHS cassette adapters to put them into their VCRs too and when I told them they didn't exist for this format they called me a liar so screw them!
Yet another weird ass Sony format! I never knew about this one at all. Very interesting stuff.
Have you covered the PXL2000? Interesting Camcorder that one. It records video on to audio cassettes.
No, but many other people have.
+vwestlife Thought it may be an idea for you if you are interested in that kind of thing. I had one as a kid, pretty terrible quality, but was neat in its day.
+Richard Smith I used to have a PXL2000 back when I was a kid. Thank goodness my dad came from a television background in acting and news directing, I got all the cool Xmas gifts lol. I remember you had to specifically use the High Bias type II tapes. If you used Type I normal or Type IV Metal the picture would scramble. TDK SA-X tapes worked good.
i remember seeing these camcorders for sale when i got my Panasonic MiniDV camcorder around that time period.
I wish they would have come out with a movie player and movies for this format.
I vaguely remember those. Never thought it was a good idea to cram more and more data on a relative small piece of media.
I think the corruption makes for a unique transition effect imo
Quite a big difference in your production quality between this and your new videos.
F in the chat for the f battery
I wanted one of these camcorders back in 2002.
Have you ever seen the Sony Mini USB to Ethernet Adapter? to connect online?
I had an old Sony Handycam CCD-TR840E (I think) from about 1995, which is one year before I was born! My parents gave it to me when they bought a new Panasonic Video camera in 2006. That old Sony had a colour view finder, which was adjustable. It didn't have a fold out screen of any form which is I assume due to it being so old.
The camera could do night vision (With infrared LEDs), and had picture effects with the ability to add titles to the video. Unfortunately It came with no easy way to hook it into the computer, so all the footage I filmed with the camera I just watched before taping over it. I really wish I had a way of storing the video because it would of been really nice to look back on it. The camera was eventually destroyed by my brother when I got a Sanyo VPC-SH1 in 2010 which I still use to this day (which takes SD cards).
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I think my father used to use Firewire for the Panasonic camera to get the video onto the computer. The Panasonic also recorded everything to tape, but it was a much newer camera.
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Everything uses an SD card today anyways. Most laptops come with an SD card reader of some form.
Can anyone tell my how the cassette memory works on MicroMV? Unlike MiniDV there are no obvious contacts. I have no idea how the camera reads from the advertised 64kbits chip inside.
See Techmoan's video, he shows the memory chip in the MicroMV cassette.
I don't see you mentioned in your video. I am in desperate need to convert my old Micro MV tapes that I took 15 years with Sony's Handycam DCR-IP220. Would appreciate very much if you can tell me. Thanks again.
I like the way the screen flips out on the DCR-IP220. You should demonstrate browsing the internet on it, and try websites that haven't been updated since around the time the camcorder was made!
@5:35 I wonder.. how many micro-servo style actuators were used to push out the cassette? pretty intricate for its time.. with a warning too? too bad Sony hogs up potentially awesome tech, mini-disc was my fav. ..Didn't they over-build a camcorder that had produced an x-ray vision that they re-called? xD
It's funny that Sony had all kinds of cassette formats that died and the UMD format which died, yet somehow their Blu-Ray format won over HD-DVD which is a true shame as I would much prefer to have the ability to carry one disk which plays in both standard and HD format.
Sony owns several big motion picture companies (including Columbia), so they were able to get a large amount movies released on Blu-Ray, which is why it beat HD-DVD in the marketplace.
+WebVMan Blu ray has much better video quality and was also more future proof.
+vwestlife Actually Sony learned from how Betamax lost to VHS and got a lot of hardware and movie partners to join it. Also the PS3 having a built in Blu Ray player made it so that way more people had Blu Ray players than HD DVD players and because of that Blu Ray movies outsold them by a huge margin.
+WebVMan UMD was essentially euthanized by Sony, the gamers were still enjoying their UMD PSPs (and many still do) but Sony released the PSP Go, which of course was a flop before finally releasing the PS Vita, which did much better than the PSP Go, but was still not very successful mostly because many gamers didn't want to buy a handheld that was not fully backwards compatible besides buying the games again digitally or using ones they already had gotten digitally on their PSP or PSP Go (which the majority didn't have). I still see people who love their PSP and play their UMDs, just as I see people who still enjoy their PS2s or PS3s. But it's easy to see why they did, UMD based PSPs were big, and most of all, both the UMDs and the reader inside the PSP were more expensive than releasing games on memory cards or digitally. In addition, the readers were more fragile along with the discs.
+WebVMan Also, many companies did develop hybrid discs that would both play as a Blu-Ray and a DVD such as this: readwrite.com/2008/12/21/hybrid_blu-ray_dvd_disc_announ, but it was never fully adopted, although for a while many movies came on a dual sided disc that provided similar functionality along with the movies that came in a dual disc pack. If they adopted the hybrid discs, it would have been possible to release movies that were playable on both systems, but didn't cost extra.
Any current Mac software that imports microMV? I heard Apple unfortunately dumped micromv in iMovie 10 so that’s one less piece of modern software to import footage.
Correct, it doesn't work in iMovie 10 anymore. You need iMovie '08 to '11. But it really works best with an older version of Sony Vegas on a PC -- then it can actually split the video into scenes without the visible corruption.
That still camera is far from the smallest still camera available in 2002, how ever that cam accorded was remarkably tiny for the time. Sony has so many competing formats on sale back then. There was digital8, DVD, Mini DV, some that wrote to Memory stick.... All soon to be wiped out by there HDD based models.
And sorry for the typos, auto correct "correcting" my correct spellings.
A friend of mine had a MiniDV camcorder, decided to get one of these MicroMV and did not like it, he sold it after 1 month and continued using MiniDV
Of course Sony would support a random format for media storage. Seriously, Sony tries way too hard to re-invent the wheel and they seem to have way more failed ideas than successes, when it comes down to media storage.
It's a female Sylveon groping a female Glaceon because Lesbian Pokemon will one day take over TH-cam.
I wonder if Openshot Video Editor supports these cam corders?
Might the IP5's zoom lever use something similar to a TrackPoint?
see I'd still love to have that camera even today.
My mom has this, but its like a cassette player?
i never even heard of miromv even though i was in a video editing class all we had was mini DV and high 8 camcorders
I can tell that you recorded this video on digital 8 or mini DV, or mirco MV because when you cut the footage with the camera theres a little bit of video corruption inbetween cuts. :-D EDIT: NEVERMIND! LOL great video!
No... as I explained in the video, all of this video was recorded using MicroMV. I have two MicroMV camcorders so I was able to switch back and forth between them.
I see you shot the video on the IP7E in widescreen, do you lose any resolution in doing so?
I don't have any Beta tapes, or else I would have included it.
7:17 Why does that camera say 2.11 Megapixels "Gross"???
That just means total, as in the total number of actual pixels on its CCD, rather than the interpolated resolution.
Hi, Do you use cable with iLink to USB or iLink to iLink cable? Thank you.
I used a FireWire (cable i.Link, IEEE-1394) cable. DO NOT USE the cheap FireWire to USB adapters, and they WILL NOT WORK for transferring video.
@@vwestlife Can you confirm a specific one available for purchase that works? Thanks
I just found one! Thanks!
I hope that birthday kid randomly comes across this youtube video.
dated tech, but seemingly well made product.
I think the major problem with this video is that it seems to have a lot of jerky transitions and some video breakup (around 3:11)
Does Sony Vegas cost any money? And if it does, is there also a free version?
how did you connect dcr ip7e the camera to the computer,stupid camera is doing my head in!
Using a FireWire (IEEE-1394) port.
Dude, i have the exact same camcorder as yours. I have videos of me as a kid, but i dont know how to transfer it to digital. Please help if you can.
Were you using the micromv to usb cable or the dc in?
It won't work over USB. You need a computer with a FireWire (also known as IEEE-1394 or i.Link) input. On Macs you can use a Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter, but a cheap USB to FireWire adapter will not work.
Same man… did you manage to do it?
look at the smug little kid - its your birthday? yeah you know it is.
Yeah, I googled after I left the comment(maybe I should have done that before!) and read up on mp2 a bit. I was going off the only mp2 files I ever remember running across in the past, which sounded like pure crap. This was back in either 1996 or 1997 when I first discovered mp3 files, and occasionally ran across mp2 files as well. They rrobably were from a bad source and low bitrate, since even mp3s at the time where 96, 112, or 128k.
DVHS is still used in television isn't it? I thought many TV shows were recorded and stored in DVHS.
+Kamil Niewiadomski Betacam is the actual professional name of Betamax
DVHS was a consumer-only format I'm afraid, the (now outdated) pro VHS derivatives are dead, the last holdout being DigitalS.
Digital Betacam's on its last legs, too; hard drives and flash memory are eating up the market.
What an oddity with a bunch of odd design choices. First, the obscure tape format, and then to not write an on startup is just plain silly. Then, picking mp2(as in mpeg 1, layer 2 I assume) audio is another odd choice, and a fairly low bitrate for that codec to produce good audio outside of human speech. Top it off with an obscure battery package and you got all the makings of a flop!
can you not get another battery for it on Ebay
You don't, TH-cam does.
have you heard of Beta Max that they brought out
Have you thought of upgrading to HD yet?
psp why HD? Noooo
i have the same remote, still has the original batteries lol
i love dv cams i own a jvc one its just a pain to copy the video off it
I just found the Sony Movieshaker 3.1 MMV MicroMV import Program on a torrent site an it has seeders
Also, the "PC Editing" line is only good if you have a firewire port. Strange thing about that, I've only seen that native in Tablet PCs (not to be confused with tablets, I'm talking about convertable tablet laptop PCs, which I assume is due to their use in editing and converting videos). I have yet to see a desktop PC that has firewire built in by default.
Weird because I have 4 laptops and 2 desktop motherboards with firewire (none of them are macs)
I haven't seen any desktop PCs (physically, in person), that was meant to read.
I bought an Asus motherboard in 2006 with onboard firewire.
You didn't mention dv tapes .
I don't have any larger DV tapes, just MiniDV.
@@vwestlife no , i mean you were talking about the existance of those tapes and forgot to mention dv . You mentioned micro mv , mini dv, hi8, vhs c and vhs but left out dv itself . There was a regular dv tape back then which wasnt mentioned in the beginning . Great video any ways
@@ashegheaty But regular DV was never used in the consumer market. It was only for professionals.
@@vwestlife oh i didnt know that , thank you .
Very interesting just shame about the image each time you stop the recording or it would be much better.
if sony lowered the price, it would be successful camera.
i think there's a monopoly on cameras.
That is really neat! :-)
how did you get it to have 144p?
I thought the I-frame glitch before "MPEG-2 video recording" was a cheeky intentional joke.
It's amazing that Sony never developed a Smartphone (as far as I know).
Just want to remind you of this comment
@@ReinoudVanBeek Thanks for the reminder. ( I'm still here.) Best to you.
Thank Osiris they came out with DVD 8cm camcorders. A camera that you have to do a lot of work to edit and archive to a easily playable format is not going to be a camera you use very often. But with the DVD camera you don't think twice before shooting a moment you don't think will happen again. And since you recorded the DVD yourself there's no copy protection so it's just 'cat /dev/sr0 |pv >/home/yourname/Videos/Digital_Camera_Videos/my_dvd_movie.iso'
I agree.
You used a birthday video?Did you know, that it is illegal to upload a video of someone singing happy birthday?
Not anymore. A judge ruled that the "Happy Birthday" song is now in the public domain and may be used freely.
vwestlife
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Makes ejecting noise* JESUS😎
Yes agreed smallest tape but inside hidden many biggest Issue😄😃😀😍
did not know that. cool