108 Rare and Bizarre Media Types
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - Intro
1:14 *** Mechanical Media ***
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1:14 - Edison Cylinder
1:44 - Long Play Microgroove
1:56 - Motorola 3-channel stereo record
2:12 - Single-Sided Victrola
2:33 - Edison Diamond Disc
2:56 - 16” Vinyl Records
3:53 - Punch Cards
4:06 - Punch Tape
4:20 - Flexidisc (computer program on vinyl)
5:02 *** Magnetic Media ***
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5:06 - 8” Floppy Disks
5:34 - 500K Floppy Disk
6:00 - Hard Sectored Floppy Disks
6:43 - Quad Density Floppy Disks
6:54 - Apple Fileware (Twiggy Disks)
7:27 - Demidisk Prototpye 4” Floppy
7:42 - 3.25” Flex Diskette
8:08 - Brother Micro Disk
8:20 - TEC Floppy Disk
8:31 - Amsoft CF-2 Compact Floppy
8:53 - MCD Cassette
9:12 - Video Floppy Disk
9:38 - LT-1 2” Floppy
9:51 - IT Floppy 144 MB
10:03 - Iomega Zip and LS-120
10:38 - Iomega Click! Disk
11:05 - Large Reel-to-Reel tapes
11:40 - Reel-to-Reel Audio tape
12:01 - U-Matic Video Cassettes
12:42 - Betamax inside VHS container
13:08 - Sony SD-1 Cassette
14:17 - XD 1/2” Digital Video Cassette
14:44 - Video 120 Cassette
15:18 - ADAT Digital Mastering Cassette
15:44 - 8mm Movie Prerecorded
16:14 - Datasonix
16:30 - MicroMV Video Cassette
16:48 - MiniDV Video Cassette
16:53 - 8mm Data Cassette
17:04 - Unknown CS-600 SX Data Cassette
17:19 - CVC Microvideo Cassette
17:35 - DCC (Digital Compact Cassette)
18:03 - Blank 8-Track Audio Cassette
18:21 - Sinclair MicroDrive
18:39 - Stringy Floppy
18:59 - 18 Different Home Backup Formats
19:12 - Iomega Ditto
19:20 - Syquest 200 MB cartridge
19:23 - ADR
19:28 - Iomega REV Disk
19:40 - 10 Different Pro Backup Formats
19:42 - DDS4 Tape
19:50 - LTO Tape
20:06 *** Optical Media ***
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20:09 - Prerecorded Film Roll - Educational
20:52 - Prerecorded Film Roll - Consumer
21:05 - MO Disc
21:21 - MiniDisc
21:26 - Floptical
21:40 - Dataplay
21:54 - Sanyo ID Photo
22:51 - LM1200 WORM Disc
23:18 - WDM-6DA0 WORM disc
24:05 - Maxell LM4000 WORM disc
24:14 - PD (Phase Change Dual)
25:30 - DVD RAM 5.2 GB
26:16 - NEC MVDisc
26:28 - DVD RAM 9.4 GB
27:04 - Laserdisc 12”
27:27 - Laserdisc 8”
27:57 - CD-Video 5”
28:29 - CD-Video 8”
28:50 - RCA Selectavision CED
29:07 - VHD
29:23 - V.Flash
29:43 - VideoNow
30:18 - DIVX
31:04 - FlexPlay
31:40 - HD-DVD
32:08 - Hybrid CD/DVD
32:26 - Hybrid CD/Vinyl
32:58 - Shaped CD Audio
33:21 - Super Audio CD
33:46 - MODisc
34:00 - MMDisc
34:17 - Double Density CD-RW
34:32 - Sony Professional Disc
35:02 - UDO (Ultra Density Optical)
35:29 - Sony Optical Disc Archive
35:44 - Bubble Memory
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Those floppy disks were having a 35 year slumber until their guts were ripped out.
just described waking up
@ J.T. Illingworth *their
Over time the media on the material tended to flake off and become unusable. So I transferred all my old dial up and BBS time period, windows, DOS and Basic programs from back in the day, over to CD disks as back up copies, just to store them on. So I still have them. I use to run with removable hard drives and trays, so any machine's hardware can easily be set up specifically and used under any operating system I choose, with just a different hard drive tray. So If I wished to run the old arcade game of "Stargate" on a windows 2.0, or 3.11 machine setting, it was still possible. I still play that old arcade game from time to time, it came out well before the movie of the same name. If I wanted to set up one of the old dial up BBS system programs these days, I'd likely use a windows emulator program instead, but for me, it gradually became a collection. Of every dos version, and every windows versions we had back then, and the software that each of them used. I do remember once, that in a time of trouble, the Egyptian government, just flipped a switch, and all the internet available there just simply went away. Yet I still have modems on hand. and the software to run with them. But I suppose, that is what getting older is, I still have 3 six hour VHS taped I made from two networks from 9/11 as a part of all of this, when one tape ended, i just slapped in another blank VHS tape that day and kept recording.. And the windows 3.11 version of solitaire was much better than any that followed it. In may ways, their media player programs were better as well. and some of the other utilities were better just for what they included within them. But what does one do with foot lockers full of an obsolete collection like that?
@@Possumn1138 upload them online?
Put them into a museum?
Disturbingly reminiscent of modern mans retirement years
I cannot help but imagine that each of these defunct formats was the culmination of some person's life work.
And some apes are thumbing them down
That makes it so much sadder
I don't know, a good number of them were probably thrown together with as little effort as possible because it was easier than explaining to the the marketing department why they were morons.
Their magnum opus was the Shenia Twain format
God, imagine being the guy whose lifes work was the RCA CED disc...
Not sure if someone already mentioned it but I.R.S. was a record label in the 80’s. That tape is presumably music videos. This video is fantastic!
When I saw your comment, I almost cheered outloud! lol The Go-Go's were on that label for a time. And I recognized it as soon as I saw it HAHAHAHA
I'd love to see which videos are on that tape!
I believe REM was also on the IRS label in the 80s
Stuart Copeland from "The Police", his brothers started I.R.S.
@@schlotdoglaser that's really cool!!! I didnt know that! Love The Police too!
About that giant audio cassette: The Sony SD1-1300LA is actually a type of data storage tape. It belongs to the Super AIT (SAIT) family of tape formats, which were designed for high-capacity data backup and archiving. The SD1-1300LA is an SAIT-1 tape that offers a native storage capacity of 500 GB (uncompressed) and 1.3 TB (terabytes) when using a 2.6:1 compression ratio.
These tapes were used primarily in enterprise environments and data centers for reliable long-term storage and backup of large amounts of data. The SAIT format, including the SD1-1300LA, provided high capacity, fast transfer rates, and durability, making it suitable for businesses and organizations that required secure and efficient data storage solutions.
I was the opto-mechanical engineer at Plasmon in 2002-2004. I hold several of the patents on the media you showed (LM1200) and the machines that read them. The media is 2 glass plates spaced ~1mm apart, with vacuum deposited Tellurium Oxide on the inner surfaces. The laser burned physical holes on the order of 100nm. This disc held 1GB and was used in hospitals, data centers and even the library of congress. The military was a big customer as well. We followed up with a 2GB version within a year. The media was accessed by 2 readers, 1 per side. We also developed a disc center, about the size of a refrigerator, which held 48 or 96 discs which were randomly accessible. A whopping 96GB at your fingertip!
I came here just for comments like this
It's amazing how far we've come in such a short time
Guys like you are the reason we have such great PC/Media technology today. Thank you!
far out dude
Agree.
I can only imagine that 30 years from now there will be a "the 64-bit guy" doing videos on things we have now and it would be like
"Now this is a microsd card from Sandisk. Despite its size it only holds 1 terabyte of data. Now back then that was a huge deal, since it fit more data than the entire data production of humanity up to the 1960's into the size of a fingernail, but these were eventually killed off by the rise of quantum memory in the mid 2030's.
its crazy, that quantum memory accessibility of data would be an actual realistic motherfucking game changer in IT........mainly, because you could even transport energy in a similar way......wireless......without loading......ever.......yep......but im not sure, if it is really possible AND not deadly for things between the object with energy and the device for the energy.......probably something for space travel.
Would be super sick if it was his kid
Quantum computing and programming is super weird lol. I was reading something on it, and they were saying stuff like "sometimes when programming a quantum computer, two qubits may clash and create a quantum entanglement, which will cause your code to fail, and it's often difficult to find the cause of the quantum clashing..."
Like, am I supposed to know what any of that means?
@@tbuk8350 i will point out, that this should go against the No-cloning theorem, that was more or less proven in the 1970th and later.
i think your statement is more about the Quantum chromodynamics and thereby connected to today possible quantum computing. there is A LOT of talka bout the "QCD matter". i presume, your paper is a paper about this topic.
now quantum computing has A LOT of free potential and on a theoretical level there are even pure fictional crypto-technics, designed, that would work perfectly with quantum computing, IF they would be some hundred-thousand times better than the most modern concepts of these computers today (dont talk even about actual real Quantum computers, they are like calculators, compared to the ideal concepts, what could be build with our knowledge, IF we wouldnt have to follow restrictions of....pfff...money...time....space)
SO, it is always important to differentiate between theoretical quantum computing and realistic modern quantum computing.
@@apollomars1678 Yeah. Something I'm pretty sure is a current issue with modern quantum computing is quantum entanglement, which is incredibly confusing to understand.
12:00 Wow! An I.R.S Records Numatic!
I would love to know what’s on that tape! I.R.S. Records (it stands for “International Record Syndicate”) was a company owned and run by Miles Copeland, Stewart Copeland’s brother. (Stewart was the drummer with the band “The Police” who Miles also managed). There were many great groups on I.R.S. Records such as R.E.M., The Go-Go’s, Fine Young Cannibals and Buzzcocks.
Can't forget interminable weirdos Wall Of Voodoo if we're talking I.R.S. Records! Excellent label with an exceptional (if small) roster
@@thesilencedmasses Didn’t I put them in there? I meant to. I love “Dark Continent” and “Call Of The West”, though after Stan left I lost touch with their records. I really should check those later ones out.
They used to get compared to The Gun Club a lot over here, but I never saw it. They were more like Devo!
But the UK music press back then was almost as awful as Rolling Stone!
SOUNDS was the only decent music weekly and they loved Wall Of Voodoo.
It presumably has a recording of the video clip to R.E.M.'s Pretty Persuasion, as the label says in the lower left corner.
Im glad you made this comment cause the only IRS i knew was the bad one
Wall of Voodoo
The single sided 78 @ 2:23 is actually used for mainly on air broadcasting. Although a consumer could purchase the same recording that included a side b, single sided 78rpms were easier to catalog in a station archive. I grew up in a home without a television until 1972. Until then, we had 3 pianos, an radio & a Victrola with nearly 500 78rpms. The victrola sat beside the piano I always played, and is how I actually learned to play. I would pluck out what I heard, eventually becoming a mimic pianist. It’s funny that when I finally was sent for piano lessons, I taught my teacher things she didn’t know. Listening to the 78 recordings of Gershwin’s “Rhapsody In Blue” is how I learned to play it, and was the pianist with our local symphony orchestra in 1982.
quit yappin
6:21 the removal of the platters from those floppy cartidges gave me that wrenching feeling in my gut, as if millions of bits suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.. Pure carnage.
That doesn't even matter as Floppy disks don't exist anymore
@@stephensnell1379 so this video of him holding floppy disks is CGI
@@stephensnell1379 what? floppy disks exist obviously and are still made
@@stephensnell1379 that's the point
Nice movie quote.
4:57 "If enough people are interested" YES I AM INTERESTED
Always interested in that stuff
@@paradoxzee6834 Yes, please
Bump bump
I just hope he does the smart thing of dubbing the contents to tape or a digital file at the same time as playing it out, because flexidiscs aren't exactly known for their durability. You play that a dozen times and it might be worn beyond re-use. I think they were meant as single-use distribution mules (rather cheaper and simpler than taping a cassette to the cover) or master copies, not actual working media.
@@markpenrice6253 "flexidiscs aren't exactly known for their durability" TOO true! I used to love the sample discs sent out by Readers Digest, as I couldn't afford their real records then; however they would always wear out after three or four plays, from memory. Of course, our cheap mono radiogram (back then) certainly did not help!
Sometimes I wish I had been born earlier and into a wealthy family, so I could have appreciated directly much of what is shown here... Sigh! I'm now happy with external backup hard discs and a NAS, plus my iPad and iPod for enjoying music away from the computer. If it gets easier from now, I'm not all that interested!
At 34:00, "MO" Disc is actually M-Disc, with a trademark swirl logo. M-DISC (Millennial Disc) was a write-once optical disc technology introduced in 2009 by Millenniata, Inc. and was available as DVD and Blu-ray discs.
Great video and excellent research! I remember we had a word processing typewriter that used a weird elongated floppy so there were probably loads of proprietary formats flying about in the late 80's and early 90's
isn´t that the dreamcast swirl?
As of July 2021, Verbatim has started putting regular bluerays in mdisc packaging, labeling and charging them as mdisc media 😢
Gotta love Sony for all their proprietary formats over the years - they are definitely an innovator. Would have been fun to see you place the humongous SD-1 tape next to their MicroMV for size comparison LOL
me: "i'm not THAT big of a geek."
8-bit guy: "here's forty minutes of weird media."
me: "yes pls"
same!
Me too
past is the time I dare to consider myself less nerd than I am.
Lol, mate you nailed it with that comment 👍
Right!?
they shouldnt have ditched the "CD in a floppy case" format.. it gives them soo much more longevity from scratches..
I agree, but in it's current format, if you scratch a disc enough, you have to buy a new one. Meaning they make more money. I think that's the reason why it didn't take off.
@Zippydsm Lee true, but if you haven't noticed, most people are floaters who buy whatever is in front of them.
Its like PSP cd i have A lot of scratched psp cds
Most video rental stores here have resurfacing machines that makes them look new in like 60 seconds. My store charged $1 per disk. 🥂 🥳
too expensive, thats the reason. max profit.
When I worked for Muzak in the 1990s, I saw some of those 16" records. They played at 16 RPM and held about an hour of music. They were one-sided and had a pattern etched into the back surface. At the time I saw them, they were very old archival pieces that were being digitized for the company's 75th anniversary.
I believe that format (and speed) was also used for audio books for the blind. One-speed players were loaned out via charities for the blind, and disks were loaned out from a library.
Nice, they are very collectable today. 🎵🎵
I started using computers in 1977 when I was 13. We didn't have the 8" disks, only cassette tapes. It took 30 mins for the smallest program to load. We got the 8" disks in 1978 and they were a miracle! Fast loading of apps and data. It was just a year or two before we got the .25" disks - & they were amazing. Just as everything that suddenly opened up our computational abilities in the '70s seems so ludicrous today, so will all the latest innovations of today seem in 40-50 years from now. But, enjoy the heck while you're still interested in it!
Hi, I'm the Foone Turing who loaned a bunch of these to the 8-Bit Guy! Some explanations for the ones without info:
7:27 - Demidiskette Prototype: This as an IBM floppy from '83, it never came out. This is a very early one because the promotional info IBM put out had hard shelled disks.
8:08 - Brother Micro Disc: Used on professional embroidery/sewing machines
8:53 - MCD Cassette. A Hungarian design from 1973, Commodore evaluated it, but in the end it only got used some by some Eastern Bloc kit-computers.
9:12 - Video Floppy Disk: The explanation is correct for the right disk, but the left one is actually a digital data variant of the same media, used on Sony wordprocessors.
13:08 - Sony SD-1 Cassette: This is a data tape variant of the earlier D1 tape, which contained uncompressed digital video. Sony just reused the tapes for the ID-1 backup system.
21:26 - Floptical: This one is actually in the wrong section: Floptical disks are magnetic, not optical, but they're called that because they use an optical method to accurately position the read/write head.
21:40 - Dataplay: An amusing thing about this disk is that he calls out that TechMoan did a video on them. This is actually one of the disks shown in the Techmoan video! He gave me one after the video was completed.
22:51: WORM discs: There's really two types here. The first one shown is the Sony CRVDisc, which is an analog recordable video format similar to laserdisc. Techmoan did a good video on these, they were used in education, museums, TV production, and training.
The other type is the data discs, which were used in two ways:
1. Optical Libraries. This is where you'd have like 50 of them slotted into a rack, and a robot arm that could pull them out and swap them into a reader. This let you have tons of data (for 1987, at least) available. This was a big deal when hard drives were small and expensive.
2. Financial records. The SEC required these to be used for securities trading, because it meant the broker-dealers could stream trades out to them as they happened, and the SEC could then later audit them without worry that they'd been altered (since WORM discs can't be overwritten)
26:16 - NEC MVDisc: This was used in a Japan-only DVR, the GigaStation MV-10000. The idea was that swappable discs was a better storage medium for recorded TV than an internal hard drive, since you could build up a library of them. It failed.
28:29 - CD-Video 8": The reason this looks like a laserdisc yet is labeled CD-Video is simple: It is just a laserdisc. They were trying to do a soft-relaunch of laserdisc under the CD-Video name, and this is one of the discs made for that effort.
33:46 - MODisc: This is just a M-Disc. The logo is confusing.
35:26 - the similar-to-UDO disk is a small WORM disc.
This should be pinned at the top
i knew there was no way 8bg could outgeek the mighty @foone
It's @foone! ...wait a minute, this isn't Twitter
I enjoy your death generator. thank you.
Damn you have a yt channel? i thought you were just on twitter lol
If you add '0:00 - Intro' to the beginning of your table of contents, TH-cam will automatically map all of them onto the video timeline!
yes, that's a very nice newer feature they added
Wait, actually!? Do you have an example I can see?
@@LloydLynx th-cam.com/video/bncj3WMNzvw/w-d-xo.html
If you know of older videos that have a table of contents starting at 0:00, they should work now too
@@Craig_Anderson Am I missing something here? That video looks exactly the same as this one, nothing extra on the video timeline, just clickable links in the description... Checked on my phone and my PC, too.
@@mystery_pond No worries, you'll likely get it soon once youtube rolls it out worldwide, as i have the newer timeline features on some videos.
The BYTE Magazine from September 1978. I had graduated from High School in June 1978. I had seen STAR WARS 5 times that summer and was going off to college at Montana State University to major in Computer Science in September. Also in that magazine they were experimenting with bar codes and distributing software that way. I think that better high speed modems were released and so that idea was scrapped.
Holy shit I'm in tears... the nostalgia overload is too much! I was not even aware of all these failed formats. Thank you so much for this video!
"I'll show you a dirty trick for removing the media from these without using any cutting tools."
BUT AT WHAT COST
"Everything"
but he could have just spun it in the jacket to show the difference between hard and soft sector
"Everything.."
IT HURTS MY EYES FJSJS
Never Seen before 16inch Vinyl. There are some nice more Mechanical Store System
The Edison type wax cylinders touch a string in my heart, as this unlikely media (via a later transfer on a compact cassette) are the reason I am aware of what my grandfather's voice sounded like. And it kind of sounded like mine. He passed away decades before I was born.
aww thats awesome
and sad
But mostly awesome, in the "awe" sense. It must have been absolutely uncanny to hear that voice. Little stories like this are why I'm a data archivist. In this day and age, no-one need ever be forgotten. Thank you for sharing.
@@GothAlice Do you tend to collect things at home, as well? Or are you able to restrain your OCD to the professional arena? ;)
@@GothAlice What do you do as a data archivist? I find this kind of thing interesting.
I own an Edison Diamond disc. I don't own a player. Or an edison cylander They are the neatest thing ever.
the 600Mb tape cartridge shown at 17:07 is a Teac data cartridge, and was competing with 8mm at the time for the data backup market. I'm sure Teac was leveraging their experience with audio cassette mechanisms, and saving money on the manufacturing process. What was interesting about it was it was designed as a "streaming tape"; so rather than zipping back and forth and pausing constantly as 8mm did, it was designed to drive the tape in one direction for long continuous periods, resulting in fast read and write times and better storage density.
Thanks for showing all these formats. Alot of history there. I can personally vouch for the validity of the SuperAudio CD format. At first I thought it was another money-making gimmick, but the improved sound quality (if you get a good recording and use a compatible player) is actually very discernable and quite amazing! Prime example is the collection album put out by The Carpenters - compared to regular CD it sounds alot more like really good vinyl minus the pops & crackles. I wish that was the audio standard for CD because it's the best I've ever heard from a digital format.
BTW, that massive tape you showed at around 13 mins - I believe that's the larger sized tape used on Sony D-1 Professional Broadcast Video Recorders from the 90's. The machines were massive, expensive beasts that encoded 100% uncompressed 720x486 @ 30 fps digital video in a 4:2:2 color space. In layman's terms it was nearly ideal SD video (Standard Definition - what we'd call 480i now), or at least the best that the standard broadcast TV format ever achieved. It was used by major networks and high end studios for special projects, animation, or wherever they needed the very best picture quality. Even by today's standards, D-1 video still looks excellent. Unfortunately, most people never got to see SD look that good in their homes, which is probably why HD was so impressive when it came around. ~David in Oregon.
Yes I thought so, as I could see a D1D logo on the shell which I took to mean D-1 Data.
I’m disappointed he didn’t mention CEDs. Videodiscs are pretty obscure.
I.R.S. was a music label. That’s the video of R.E.M.’s “Pretty Persuasion”, like what MTV would play. That tape is probably quite valuable to R.E.M. collectors!
DarthEd77 I just had to laugh because he had no idea what I.R.S. was since it was a major label back in the 80’s.
Surprised the 8 Bit guy didn't put that together.
There's R.E.M. collectors?
Was about to say the exact same thing..well spotted 👍
@@SilverState99 The biggest selling disc last Record Store Day was a bootleg pressing of an REM live gig under the pseudonym of a band called 'Bingo Hand Job' - flew off the shelves. There is a huge market for old REM recordings and stuff like that U-Matic is very rare and exceptionally collectible.
28:55 Technology Connections recently completed a *5* part deep dive on the CED. It’s worth a watch!
I hoped someone would mention technology connection! Great channel!
Exactly 😁
I haven't watched enough of TechMoan to have an opinion on him, but I was disappointed to see him get so many more mentions than Technology Connections. I don't know enough about Technology Connections to be 100% confident about him, but he seems to be 100% reliable.
@@eugenetswong I appreciate both.
Too gay to watch though
I had a bernoulli box back in the day. It was connected through a SCSI interface and had large 8 inch cartridge type 'floppy disks' that could hold 5, 10 or 20 meg per disk. I only had 10 meg disks. In those days, my pc had a 20 meg harddrive, so being able to store this much on a removable media was kind of awesome back than!
17:05 The CS-600SX was a 600MB Digital Tape Backup Cassette. The drive mechanism that read/wrote these was made by Teac and used the SCSI interface. They also had earlier versions of the digital cassette that were 60MB and 120MB. I used to work for Valitek Inc. back in the 90's. We built high end portable parallel port tape backup drives. One of our models was called the PST2-M1200 that had the Teac drive mounted internally and used the CS-600SX cassette. Brings back a lot of memories.
IRS was a record label: REM, The Go-Gos, The Beat, etc.
Beaten to it. That's why I popped into the comments. Heh
@@zenbeeblebrox9339 In my haste, I forgot to mention some of my favorite IRS bands: The Alarm, Oingo Boingo, The Bangles. A lot of these bands published under multiple labels, and some only published with IRS at the beginnings of their careers before moving on to other labels.
Yeah, that tape contains REM's "Pretty Persuasion", you can see it briefly.
the cramps
IRS the cutting edge was a show on MTV
4:37, flexible record, "THE FLOPPY ROM". Do we need an episode on that? Yes. Yes, we do. Dew it.
I'd love to see it.
"the rigid floppy"
I worked at a local independent television station in the early 70s. We recorded all of our shows on 2 inch quad videotape. The player recorders were the size of large washing machines. The reels came in two sizes. Large ones held an hour, and small ones were for commercials.
I have a wire recorder from my grandfather. That was a format recorded down to thick wire that went from one spool to another. I remember a number of formats that you referred to. Now I feel old. I also have a number of vhs reel to reel tapes and recorder. Thanks for the memories.
3:53 regarding punch cards, they actually predate the 20's by centuries, with the first punch card programmed semi-automated loom invented in 1725, and the first fully automated loom invented in 1804. As for data storage, the 1890 US census was recorded and tabulated via punch card and counting machines.
There's also the long history of musical devices which played on pinned drums or cut and punched plates or sheets, which could be seen as a type of basic punch card as well.
Somebody else watched 'Connections' by James Burke !! kudos. Jacard(sp) Looms, used punchcards to automate the weaving of cloth. One of the first 'programmable' devices.
orbitalair “Jacquard”. The fabric is still named after him to this day.
@@orbitalair2103 Not necessarily. This information is contained in many books, and on films other than James Burke old BBC series! While I enjoyed James' work, he isn't the only sourceof information. :) We learned about the Jacard looms way back in grade school, long before James did his BBC series. ;)
@@orbitalair2103 actually, it's part of computer and machine automation history, and i know for a fact it was part of the CNC programming course i took a few years ago. that said, i knew it well before then so i can't say where i originally learned it.
The "MO-Disc" you showed is actually just an M-Disc like the one you showed after, just with a different (and obviously more confusing) earlier logo which can easily be misread.
Was going to say this as well. The patent numbers are the same too.
Yup, was looking for this.
The logo is for the Millenniata M-Disc.
That's why product design is so important :D
Interesting; I wouldn't know as my only experience with an MO-Disc is the key item from the original Resident Evil 2 that you need to escape the lab complex.
At 11:39 you're showing the 9 track mainframe data tape in the shrunkem strap that would store more tapes in the rack than the old tape cases, as you said. Following the flexy strap is the similar hard plastic version that would slide open an access door for the tape to slip through the opening. The strap was not removed, but slapped into specially built drives that held the tape, opened the strap, sucked the tape out of the reel, and self thread the machine, to read/write/rewind the data on the tape without the operator ever touching the tape. Advantage? Speed and no fingerprints on the media.
My favorite lost format is Elcaset. I bought a refurbished Sony EL-5 and my band uses multitrack tape machines and we used this elcaset as the final master and OMG the frequency response and fidelity is unreal. It beats my 2 track r2r recorders! I am now interested in all compact tape formats.... no matter how large they are lol
Yes! It was the quality of reel to reel with the convenience of a cassette. I don't know why they did not catch on.
"I think Techmoan made a good video about CED" - well yeah, but what if you want five? Technology Connections has got you covered!
Technology Connections also made good videos about laser disk, DVD-RAM, disposable disks, and many others.
AND The Oddity Archive!
@@imrustyokay YEAH, he has very good content
@@QuarTheDev wait what?
@@QuarTheDev I've never heard that side of him, tell me more
When you pulled the two 5.25" discs out thru the center, I yelped.
I don't ever want to see anyone do that again!
Same
Amen to that...
The 8-Bit Barbarian
I cried
I mean if he opened it gently he would have damaged it and wasn’t going to put it back together anyways
2:13 That Victrola single-sided disc looks very much like the CAJMIRE single-sided acetate I got from him after a gig we did back in the early 90’s! Probably smells similar too! I love the smell from from those acetate discs.
There are far more obscure media types than I imagined! A programmer friend of mine gave me one of those large optical discs in it's own plastic case shown at 23:25 .. he found it in a storage closet at his work, and it is oddly labeled "15 minutes of Star Wars a New Hope". Eventually I am going to frame the "giant floppy disk" and it's case in my studio just because I find it so cool to look at.
"1980s air" smells like hairspray, moldy library books, and the inside of Joe Piscopo's Fierro.
And Drakkar Noir.
Thanks, didn't know that.
*Fiero
Alternate title: Review topics for Techmoan
I know! It's like you got your 8-Bit Guy in my Techmoan!!
Was just about to say something like that. hahaha.
If you watch this channel most likely you also watch Techmoan's channel. (if you dont i can recommend).
@@HanZie82 Another great channel with a somewhat overlapping content is Technology Connections. :)
@@BertGrink Thank you very much, altho its already on the subscription list. :D
@@HanZie82 Of course you're watching that channel too hehe :D
Prob my fav video of yours to date! Love how this covers even the most obscure formats that nobody on TH-cam talked about or at least in great detail!😁👌
Thank you for briefly mentioning Mini Discs, which is my favorite audio format of all time. Very well designed and held a lot of audio when used right
28:58 - I wonder if you've seen the 2 hour epic that is RCA Selectavision over at Technology Connections. That series deserves a damn award.
the whole channed deserves a damn award
This should be the top comment tbh. Shit's a must watch for most people here.
Richard Craig love that guy. Quirky as he is!
I’ve watched that entire series at least twice.
Is that all it was... 2 hours? Seemed to be 17 parts of 2 hours each! Good content, but holy crap RCA just f'd themselves left and right.
IRS was a record label, it’s the original label for REM in this case.
mtv used umatics to play videos, when they used to play videos.
I believe it stands for international record syndicate. They had a lot of great bands. That irs logo was like a guarantee that the record you got was good.
And Pretty Persuasion at that! Good track.
@@SaltBayGull Tower Records in NYC actually had a neat display of those a long while back.
@@SaltBayGull the whole i.r.s records story is quite oddly and humorously fascinating to me. Turns out the founder of the label has connections to the police and their other brother founded frontier booking international.
5:00 I had bought a bundle from a musician and it included something like this. I remember being so confused as to why it felt like that. Nice to know the artist knows about his history.
21:45. Wow. The smallest optical drive I ever say was the UMD for the PSP.
Every time he says "I'm not sure what they were used for" the NSA youtube monitor calls US Nuclear command and says "Are you sure you wiped the missile codes from those old tapes before putting them on ebay?"
Hah, though considering how old those are, even if they contained missile codes they'd be long out dated.
@@TheTattorack lol for like 10+ years... the missile codes for the majority of silos was 0000. no joke.
@@Bradley_Dragon If I where a betting man, I would bet that they got changed to 1234.
@@Bradley_Dragon I remember hearing that on QI once
@@TheTattorack from bush senior or even nixon to obama the nuclear codes did not change, obama did order to change them regularly sometime halfway through his presidency.
You don't just seem to have random examples of media, you seem to have ridiculously rare and perhaps unique information that would be valuable regardless of format.
Man is an encyclopedia of old tech
@@Marco-bp4nt lol
@@WideNerdy like that you just name-drop some other random youtuber that wasn't in any way mentioned or particularly associated with the comment you respond to.
@@dexterdextrow7248 it is related. It’s a compliment to 8-Bit Guy and a slight to LGR, I thought it was well said.
@@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777 LGR wasn't in any way connected or even eluded to in the initial comment. Noone even mentioned him, so the fact that "this random TH-camr the content of which also have a partial relation to older technology is entertaining but not as knowledgeable" has a very weak connection to the original comment. One thing would have been if LGR was indeed spoken of, but this isn't the case, he's just a random person that happen to cover somewhat similar topics.
It's a bit like bringing up and comparing Nicola Tesla, Johannes Gutenberg and Thomas Newcomen when someone mentions Tim Berners-Lee just because they're also inventors.
35:45 Those things had more storage than my computer currently has
I’ve been an IT engineer for nearly 40 years, and I really loved your explanation of all these orphan media types. Well done!
The large cassette from Sony is actually a D1 videotape. I used to edit to that format. The recording machine is the Sony DVR 1000 which cost about $170,000 when it was in use. It’s the highest resolution NTSC video there is and is component digital.
I thought D1 was composite and D2 was component digital.
Same here… remember how ‘holy’ everyone considered the D2? I started as an AE at Producers Color Service in Detroit, and man, if you dropped a D2 Master, the pit went dead quiet…
We started a boutique post house in 1996, and buying those decks and tape stock ourselves was painful, but still cool.
Is there any camcorders which used that format?
actually its not a video tape. for a little while, sony sold a helical scan digital recorder/player intended for computer backups and similar uses. they barely sold any of them- i think NASA had a few, ILM had a couple, and a company i worked for in the early 90s, Computer Film Company, bought two and spent a couple years trying to make them work reliably. My good friend Dave Scott was the guy writing the software, and we all loved (hated) the error messages he wrote for the myriad failure modes of this infernal beast. “I’m sorry, the Sony has failed you” . damn that machine.
it did use a D1 shaped tape, and i think you could get away with using D1 video media in it, but it was frowned upon.
Alec on Technology Connections does great series on that RCA CED format, really great if enjoy learning bout these old formats. Also SACD (DSD) is definitely still being used in 2022 and sounds way better than a regular CD if have a proper system 😎
Super interesting! Thank you for all of these introductions. I only knew the floppy disk and large diskettes, LP, CD, Cassette, DCC, MD, DAT, CD, SACD, Video 8, Mini DV, Beta, VHS, S-VHS, DVD, HD DVD, Blu-ray and that's all. Now I know more
That enormous Sony cassette was used to record data streams from radar and sonar equipment. It was used with the Sony DIR-1000H ID-1 Format Instrumentation Recorder.
The DIR-1000 system was based on the D-1 standard of digital video recorders. Sony did this a lot, they also had a system of recording digital audio on analogue u-matic tape and data archive 8mm tapes based on the Hi8 video tape standard.
i was thinking of the SONY DMS 24 (it-dep-fio-ds.web.cern.ch/documentation/tapedrive/sony1000.gif) Digital-Magnetic-Storage System. 100GB on one tape, 2TB total storage on 24 tapes, managed by the system and accessible over tcp, in a time where a 1GB harddrive was a "i will never have enough data to fill it up...". Now we are at more then 5TB each tape..., 10TB a disk ...
@@waltersteenvoorden252 The D1 and DIR did share the format and mechanical standard to a degree. The tapes did not interchange with the two machines. Video is very "Redundant" and with error correction and error concealment it would hide many bit errors. Where as Data recording there is no concealment, so the error rates have to be much much lower. The DIR machine had an air filter to keep dust out that the D1 did not. If errors in the recording were detected to be too great it would re-record that data. I used to do complete mechanical rebuilds to the D1, including adjusting head height alignments to the 4 record heads, both scary and exhilarating at the same time.
GDRom: The format used on Sega Dreamcast. Diameter like a CD with total capacity of 1GByte supporting CD Audio but the data is stored on the outer ring and the data is read from outer to inner to have increased loading speed.
In a similar vein, the GameCube, Wii, and Wii U also had their own file formats that were similar in storage capacity to but not actually miniDVDs, DVDs, and Blu-Rays
It was used in Arcade machines too via the Naomi hardware which was based on the DCs architecture but had more power.
@@Segafishy While this is correct, the majority of Naomi games were run from cartridges.
wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/Sega_NAOMI#Game_List
weren't gd-roms basically dual layer cd-roms?
maybe, but the dream cast GD-Roms weren't. They were actually higher density single sided.
I worked for a major wholesale grocers for a short period of time in the late 2000s, and we were still using reel-to-reel tapes. There were actually multiple tapes sent location to location daily as a failsafe, making sure there were always at least 2 other copies of the data if one failed, was lost, etc.
The early vinyl records were made from shellac and shatter if you drop them, unlike the later ones made from plastic. To my knowledge anyhow. The floppy rom audio alternative was called a flexi disc, they gave them away as freebies with magazines etc, hence why they needed to be flexible.
Fantastic stuff ❤
Yeah, the early records were 78 rpm records. Heavy and made of shellac. The plastic ones that replaced them were the 33 ⅓ rpm's.
Punch cards were first used to store “data” in the early 19th century in the jacquard loom which allowed complex weaving patterns to be stored on a series of punched cards.
piusfelix They were used even before in toys and music boxes. Jacquard loom was very important though as it's was the very first programmable industrial machine.
Punchcards were first used as information storage in the 1890 US Census with the Hollerith Machine. The US Census continued to use punchcards into the 1950s until they were replaced with more modern "computers."
Punch cards have one hell of a history. They are probably the longest lasting form of data storage made to be read by machines so they took part in some pretty important historical events. Their most infamous use was probably in the holocaust where the Germans used IBM supplied punch card machines in order to organize the holocaust. The only slight sliver lining to that is that it also meant that later families who had been affected by the holocaust could use them in order to secure reperations. There's a lot of history though that's a lot less grim like their use in industrial machinery and early computers.
It says here 1725 yep they sure are old...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card#History
Even Jacquard's loom was a development of an earlier idea; his design was based on Bouchon's earlier loom, which used punch tape to control it.
I love how you and LGR frequently give each other shoutouts. It’s cool to see such a tight community.
This is my first visit. Blown away. Betamax was so much better quality than VHS. But, that old argument rages on into irrelevance. Watching him put his fingers on the tracks of those records, early on, made me wince. I got regular floppy vinyl records with a magazine called, “Top Charts,” or something like that, which my parents used to get for us kids. They work just fine, but some slip, and I never could figure out why some worked better than others. Do you remember 45’s with snap-out centres? That you could switch between records? Some of those old computer floppy discs may not have been demagnetised? Especially East European ones? He might have the nuclear launch codes from the soviet Missile silos, from Kazakhstan? 😦😁😉
Me and my grandfather pulled out his a few months back. We fixed it, used the head cleaner tape, bought adaptors so it can be used in the house (the one we had is a model meant for car dashboards) and bought speakers for it. Works a charm! Had to throw out some tapes though because some were too tight or too loose to be used after being stored away for 50 years.
I’ve still got a few of those flexidiscs from computer mags back in the late 70’s, that had ZX1 programs on them. I remember trying to upload one and it took a couple of hours before the computer finally accepted the program (a version of “Pong” from what I recall).
I also have a ZX1 program as the last track on a PETE SHELLEY album. The program apparently plays visuals to accompany the music, but I never ever got it to work!
The "MO DISC" at 33:51 is an M-DISC, write-once archival storage. It's just an earlier logo.
I still have 2 drives and 50 blank disks
I actually have access to several 3/4" U-Matic decks. I could transfer that A-Team video for you.
I hope he takes you up on your offer 😊
This comment right here. We gotta see that video. This sounds like ... a plan.
@@forge20 I love It when a plan comes together in the comments
I have to see this.
@@forge20 There are so many fan circles and websites that would love to see if showcased. Heck if PWE succeeds in assisting, it can be material used for a comicon.
I loved to see this video... I would never imagine how huge some of these are... outstanding! Thank you very much!
The only format I was hoping to see that wasn't mentioned was the Sega Dreamcast GD-ROM 😄
It's nice to hear you mention Techmoan in your videos, as it's a nod to each other for your passions. I love watching both your channels on here. Keep up the good work 😊
I remember that i bought a whole bag of old DVD-Ram discs on a carboot. They all were filled with german erotic movies...
Not the worst purchase in the world.
I hope you kept them so they can be put on Archive.org!
@@goodiesguy They are long gone, sadly.
@@DigitalJedi as a german, let me tell you that germans can't do porn.
@@veepeen2045 but they can...... as long as you like pooping in your porn LOL
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(and i mean no harm in that...... simply that Germans are famous for "Scheisse" porn..... at least in the "meme world" )
Technology Connections did some videos on CED, Laserdisc, CD video, FlexPlay, and DVD RAM, while mentioning DualDisc and VHD too.
Very informative, indeed! Though, the Famicom Disk System would be worth mentioning by the EIGHT BIT GUY, don't you think? ;)
In the early 80s I worked in a computer store in Des Moines. One thing we worked hard to supply was floppies for everything, I can remember stocking 16 different 8 inch disk and 27 different 5 1/4 inch.
I.R.S. Records was a record label that had artists like The Go-Go's, Fine Young Cannibals, R.E.M., Berlin, The Alarm, etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.R.S._Records
And Gary Numan 👍
That one, in fact, says it's a recording of R.E.M. performing Pretty Persuasion
Came here to do just this. Good looking out. The label help shaped the music landscape of the 80s.
Showing my age, I was an engineering intern at Iomega, working on the Bernoulli 20 & 44. My experience there landed my first engineering job with Ampex in CoSp in 1990. I was in the Scanner Dept where we built type C (reel to reel) & D2 digital tape scanners. We eventually made a storage system of 256 thirty minute cassettes with 4 players. It stored a massive 6.4 Tb of data in a 7' w x 7' t x 4' d cabinet containing a cartridge picking robot. All that storage now fits on a device about 1/2 the thickness & 1/2 the width of just 1 cassette. BTW. Great video on the floppy drive media. I remember saving my Fortran 77 programs on them after writing them on the fast IBM AT 286 PC's in the lab.
Was wondering how far I'd have to scroll before someone mentioned Bernoulli disks. They were my favorite in their time - much preferred over the more common Syquest cartridges.
I also remember how impressively quick those "overclocked" 12, 16 or 20 MHz 286 computers were, compared to what you were used to in the mid 1980s. As fast as a 386, although only 16-bit. Then the 486 came and drastically changed the speed standard again.
I had one of those Bernoulli 20Mb drives back in the day! Great little drive, although it was a bit annoying that it only seemed to work with its own proprietary controller card and not a standard SCSI interface like the later drives. (I later heard that certain specific Adaptec controllers would work, but neither Adaptec nor Iomega exactly went out of their way to tell you which ones.)
What I appreciated most about Iomega was their customer service at the time. I had bought the drive as an "open box" from a local store, and the kit was missing the cleaning cartridge. I called them up to see about ordering a replacement, and the lady took down my name and address, asked for the serial number of the drive, and said "okay, we'll send you one right away." I said "wait, how much *is* it?", and she said "oh, no charge, we'll just send you one." A few months later, I ordered some more blank cartridges, and one of the carts turned out to be defective and wouldn't format -- not only did they take it back, no questions asked, but they sent me *two* replacements. That's the sort of service that makes for loyal customers.
I love the floppy rom! I remember the Bloom County Comics had a little record in one of their books like this, but not with code obviously! Also I remember going to my dad's work back in the mid 70's and he was using punch cards for his programs.
one of the most amazing video i have ever seen. what a collection. wow. i started in computing with a TRS-80 4K level 1., and remember a few of these, but never knew of many. wow. more of these please.
if you want more on selectavision/CED i highly recommend Technology Connection's 5 part series on the product
Alec's 5 part trilogy on RCA's 17-year-long game of "stop hitting yourself" is brilliant.
'The increasingly inaccurate trilogy'... It was a fantastic series.
@@needfuldoer4531 I was really happen when he pulled this format out after having seen that very same 5 parter.
It physically hurt when you destroyed those floppy disks.
I was remembering how much fun we had doing stuff like that, and how good a frisbee those 8 inch floppies made. It would have been more satisfying if he pulled out the felt lining of the floppies as well to disembowel them properly.
My body actually tensed up when he did that
I read a comment yesterday that somebody had tried to eject a DVD from their computer. The drive didn't slow down before it ejected and the disc... ejected itself. From the tray.
Another comment I read, somebody had a top-loading drive and when they opened the door, microscopic _shards_ of DVD were spewing in every direction. I can only assume they don't have a DVD drive anymore.
Forgot to mention there was a third comment that somebody posted about a time they heard a loud bang noise in the office, and it turned out to be somebody's optical drive. The disc shattered inside the tray.
I may have read more than a few of these.
I understand the "cant have them all" thing, but i really thought you would touch on the PSP and Gamecube discs. Great video, learned a lot
I am actually happy he did not include the PSP discs. It'd made me feel old, having still my first gen PSP with custom ROM 😆
RIP UMD
As someone else pointed out, the big digital tape is D1, not SD1, and it was the thumbnail where you hold this that got me to watch the video. I used to work in a video duplicating plant, where different master tapes was copied to VHS (and, to a small extent, Hi8 for in-flight entertainment systems, and occasionally SVHS). The D1 was the mother of all the sources, just pristine quality and durability. I had actually forgotten about the suitcase. Still remember the satisfying sounds of the massive player loading up the tape, though. It just reeked quality and durability. DigiBeta (or Digital Betacam, not to be confused with Betamax) would give, IIRC, comparable quality, but with less reliability and more often with artefacts. So, the best digital source was the D1. We got some of the biggest titles on D1, while most titles where on analog tape reels... 🤔 Now, I wanna say those were called C-2s... But I'm not so sure. Either way, the number two was for inches, as in those spools were two-inch wide tape. I actually used to think the "1" in the D1 was due to the tape being one inch wide, but perhaps I'm mistaken. Now if you wanna examine a REALLY interesting old tape format, with the most massive machines to accompany it, see if you can find stuff on TMD VHS, where TMD stands for thermal magnetic duplication. I also worked with those, and they were fascinating. It's basically a VHS tape on a reel, except IIRC made of metal. You'd record onto it on a MASSIVE machine, about four feet tall and three by three feet footprint, top operated. And you'd record onto it using VHS technology, except mirrored. The tape would then be sent to these clean rooms with event bigger machines and people in clean suits, where the entire tape would be unreeled into the front of very tall (as in 8 feet or something like that) machines, visible like tape salad behind glass fronts. The tape would be welded at the ends to form a loop, and then mirrored at ridiculously high speeds (like 1000x or something like that) onto fresh, normal VHS tape in giant spools using lasers that would heat up the tapes to a certain temperature where the chrome particles in the normal tape would start to "float" and mirror the magnetic patterns in the TMD metal tape that would be unaffected by the temperature. It was fascinating. Also, there was a very odd disconnect between the super-high tech nature of the latter part of the process and the utter garbage that was the machine that created the metal "master" tape. It would so often flip out and create a bad master, and you wouldn't know it until after you'd created a ton of copies, and a tester had actually watched an entire copy 😂 Ah, the 90s, such fond memories 😂
SD1 noto D1.
That's fascinating stuff. I'd always assumed there had never been found a way to speed copy VHS. What you're describing is what in the audio world is called a "loop bin duplicator". I'd always assumed for video it wouldn't work because every documentary I've seen about videotape duplication facilities simply show huge banks of normal VHS recorders.
As for what you call C2 however, must surely have actually been Quad(ruplex), which was the broadcast standard until the early 80s until 1-inch Type C took over (which your firm possibly may have called C-1?)
@@mbvideoselection You're right, they were C1. Really large machines, like reel-to-reel tape recorders, except for video. I was also into audio production at the time, having done a short education of sound mixing and mastering 😊 The TMD machines blew my mind, and still do 😊 We had a whole department with clean-suit employees that were responsible for duplicating them onto consumer VHS. The only company not using TMD ever, was Disney, and I remember that the company we worked for had created a dedicated site just to avoid accidentally copying porn onto Disney tapes as they were THAT big, and it HAD already happened 😂 I was just 19 at the time.
"Oh, I smell 1980's air in there." - The 8-Bit Guy
From iBook guy, to 8-bit guy
now from 8-bit guy to 1980s-guy
I want that on a t-shirt :D
Probable cigarette air
@Margaret Elkins You probably will want to copy and paste all that as your own comment as well and not just a reply to this thread so that more viewers can see :D
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I love that we are still talking about the “War Games” film.
He's the reason why I watched war games. lol I had never seen it. I saw it last year some time after he mentioned it in a video. Interesting movie, but soooooo much of it was so implausible that I was cringing at times.
You know, the funny thing is when I first saw the movie in 1983, I was only 8 years old and I too cringed at some of the scenes and complained to everyone about how unrealistic it was. However, the irony is looking back, it is actually one of the most realistic "hacker" movies ever made. That may be more of a testament to how BAD the rest are, not so much how accurate this one was.
@@The8BitGuy I graduated High School in 1983 and I'm pretty sure Daemon dialing didn't come into popular use until the BBS was invented with FIDO net to transfer email until much later around 1987 or 1990. At Texas A&M we had dialup modem banks in 1983 only a few had a SLIP connection the rest were ASCII terminals. As a student I begged for more SLIP lines.. and they kept telling me "why would you want a tcp connection?" Wylbur was a much better "useful" application than things like Pegasus or Minuet.. FTP was only for milnet guys.. who want that?
I always found the way WOPR/Joshua kept talking far, far away from his voice synthesizer hardware was one of the worst bits. I later learned that a significant fraction ( probably a majority of the population, certainly in 1983 simply will not read what is on a computer screen unless they absolutely have to (and not always then). Seems the makers of that movie already knew things UI designers would struggle to learn. So even if he couldn't talk, that voice had to follow him so the audience could know what was going on.
WarGames really set my path into the computer field. While it was playing on the era of nuclear war, missiles, and the emerging home computer systems, it did make a great movie. It showed great imagination as to what computers could evolve to (and of course which we have been through and now way surpassed). I've heard the representation of NORAD was as much accurate as inaccurate. We all know the multitude of screens were TV's playing video and not interactive as shown. The doors into NORAD are that big, but there are 2, not 1 as portrayed. Overall, it was a movie for it's time and I think still holds up today to not look cheezy even though there is some old technology shown in the movie. It had a good comedic, dramatic, and philisophical pulse.
Hi, great video...took me back to working in video facilities in London with the D2/6,Digibeta/beta/1"/Umatic(nasty) formats. Sony Digibeta really was the game changer.
The CAV disk was the next gen of the Sony optical and worked with a mini computer via a parallel port so you could almost instantly jump to any part of the disc or even loop sections with a microsecond pause. It allowed both high quality video or individual images to be played back with a perfect hold so they were great for events and high-end presentations, decades before PowerPoint could cope with video. You're right that the were WORM based, but because they were random access it didn't matter what order you placed the media. I think that they could hold around 30mins of video or 45,000 stills. In the late 90s they cost around £250 each.
We were using D5 video tapes for broadcast tv at Sony Pictures up until even 2017-although the HDCAM-SR format was much more common. You are correct that the dial for 4ch/8ch is for audio config. D5 was ALWAYS a pain in the butt to work with, and the deck had to be calibrated for EVERY DIFFERENT TAPE.
One time the elementary school librarian threw a 3.5 inch floppy across the room and yelled “ninja throwing floppy” for some reason, this was three years ago.
Edit: five years ago
yeah, that was... sloppy
...I have SEVERAL questions...
And that librarian was Albert Einstein.
It g ma?
If only the disk was shuriken-shaped.
Imagine how much unique information is trapped on unreadable media.
It was long said that the attempts to manufacture media with what archival techs wanted, a 50 to 100 year shelf life was almost futile since 20 years in the media is fine but the media readers are dust, and making matters worse, lots of what looks like generic media actually use proprietary formatting of data. To read for instance a 51/4 inch floppy, you need to find a reader for the diskette, soft sector or hard? Single or double density and single or double sided..
Next you need to have the right computer. Let's see:
Atari, commodore pet, vic20, 64, Radio Shack TRS80, Apple II, Wang OIS, dec vax, HP 3000... The list goes on so if you have limitted forensic software it may never work.
The Canadian Government a ways back (early 90s) decided that for any data archival done because of legislation of some kind, within the archive would be at least one shut down but self starting on power up computer with appropriate peripherals to run the application and read the data from the media. And there would also be a handbook using PAPER! Explaining the system startup requirements and procedures. Short of that they worried about how fast the data would simply become inaccessible
I think it'd be very valuable for some people to invest in a way to convert these obsolete formats into digital files and upload them online. As a less obscure example, I know a lot of 80s anime was released on laserdisc (since it was more popular in Japan), and it'd be a real shame to lose it all. Who knows what could be hidden in these less common formats? Lost media is super interesting to me, if I had an infinite amount of time and money, I'd keep a big library of every piece of media I came across.
@@bubbletea1985 Arent those animus ripped already?
perhaps like Thousands of bitcoins in a UK landfilll just gotta know what u found
It's always an issue with hi-tech means of encoding information. You want long lasting and historically accessable - can't beat literally "carved in stone". Look at how many ancient Roman inscriptions are still around, and perfectly readable - even the font is virtually identical to modern Roman. Plenty of Sumerian clay tablets survive too, and are readable if you take the time to learn cuniform and Sumerian.
that floppy ROM is crazy! just the idea of them putting it out there in a magazine in such a way that could be translated into a program is trippy and very innovative as far as marketing for the time.
In broadcast we kept using various forms of Beta tapes even past 2010 with HD versions of the format. We even had a small camera version of the tape and a much lager "save" version of the cassette for back at the station.
For those U-Matic tapes, you might get in touch with Ben Minnotte of Oddity Archive. He has a working U-Matic deck and the ability to digitize them. Maybe you could work a deal to where he could digitize the tapes for you.
That's such a great channel
12:01 -- I.R.S. IRS was THE record label of the '80s, with bands from REM to The English Beat to tTe Go-Go's, it was run by the brother of the drummer for The Police. Anothjer Copeland brother ran a talent agency called "F.B.I."
Maybe you and obsoletemedia - dot - org could collaborate; they have more info on media like the LM4000 (24:01).
Someone else may have already written this somewhere in the current ~9000 comments, but on the off-chance that everyone else thought the same and so also didn't post...
Speaking of R.E.M., the tape even says it's a demo of the Pretty Persuasion video!
HE'S A MORON, THAT'S WHY.. HE KNOWS NOTHING AND PRETENDS TO KNOW EVERYTHING
@@emmpedno2161 you'd think he would at least bother to do a Google search to find out what it was. But no.
that cs 600 sx data cassette looked like the stuff my grandpa brought home when he worked at sprint. He had all kinds of oddball stuff and I WISH i could go back in time and take it all after he died but they just gave it all away. I bet you might even have gotten some of his stuff since he lived in Waxahachie Texas when they got rid of it. But great vid, all your stuff has been super informative and inspired me to get into electronics.
This video was 40 minutes long and I didn't even notice! It's so refreshing to look at all these interesting technologies and designs in 21st century when many electronics look the same and crazy experemental and posibly revolutionary stuff is not a norm but an exception.
31:04 For those curious about this, Technology Connections has a great video all about Flexplay
Yes! It’s great along with all his videos examining weird old crap
3:56 Punched cards were around long before the 1920s! Hollerith designed punched cards for storing the result of the USA's 1890 census, and punched cards were also used to control Jacquard looms.
4:09 "9 bits of data, 1 for parity-checking" For one thing, that's not 9 bits there, only 8 bits: the small holes are sprocket holes. And for another, any bit which is solely used for parity-checking is, by that fact, not data.
Yeah you don't watch the 8-bit guy for deep technical thoroughness or rigor, just for fun. "Idk what this is... it's big"
I've used many of these over the years. I started with punch cards and punch tape. The tape came in paper and mylar versions, and the read/ write (punch) mechanism attached to a teletype.
The "Video 120" cassette is part of what's called the "VX" videocassette format from Matsushita (aka Panasonic), released in the US under the Quasar name. the US VCR was the Quasar VR-1000 (based on the Panasonic VX-2000). The tapes were also known as VC100 and VC120, indicating the number of minutes of recording on each.
12:07 I.R.S. was a record label, they had bands such as REM and the Bolshoi.
For a while Steppenwolf was on IRS too
If you look on the label, to the left of the logo, also @12:07, you can see it's the music video for REM's "Pretty Persuasion". Maybe it was sent to MTV originally.
The gogos too!
and also Go-Go's and Wall of Voodoo.
I work in archiving and a lot of our I.R.S. U-matic tapes are pretty hard to read now. But I laughed when he didn't recognize a logo I see at work pretty regularly
Oh man, I'm pretty sure one of those holds the Star Wars Christmas Special
RLM would be proud of this comment.
There is no star wars christmas special its a horrid like! or was it just Horrid and people wish i was a lie.
George Lucas: *loads E-11 blaster*
Witch one?
@@blakenelson4158 life day is the best holiday
This was so interesting and took me back a few years.
Thank you for sharing
12:06 It's a music video: "Pretty Persuasion" by the band R.E.M. - as it says on the label. The song came out in April 1984 on IRS Records.
Found this about the sony SD1 cassette : ``Cartridge used in the SONY DMS-24 automated tape library system installed at CERN in 1995 and still in use by the NA49 experiment. Tape length is 1300 m with 100 GB storage capacity.``
13:08 This looks to be a data version (D1D - the latter D for data?) of the D-1 component digital video format. More on D1 at thegreatbear.net/video-tape/d1-d2-d3-histories-digital-video-tape/
th-cam.com/video/PnboUFGF6OE/w-d-xo.html
www.broadcaststore.com/store/prod_detail.cfm?eq_id=502810
www.backuptapes.net/sd1-1300la.php