well, they use mpeg 2 encoder to bring bitrate down. but you can get better solution than that, and probably cheaper: 12:40 saa71xx chip on a mere pci capture card. you decide what compression u use, so for example, you can use mjpeg or huffyuv, which is better than hardware produced mpeg2. you then encode that .avi file to your final format, which can be mpeg2, x264, 265... whatever. software codecs beat hardware codecs in quality.
@@ivok9846 I used to do this with virtualDub and Avisync plus audacity for the audio side of things. All freeware, old school stuff! I captured and enhanced seasons of rare AF tv shows and tv show specials then uploaded them onto torrent sites - those versions are now in some cases the only versions that currently exist as some were never released onto DVD. This was in 2009 on a Windows XP desktop I built with dual core CPU. I chose that AMD over an Intel quad core as it did what I needed it to do over the quad higher priced one by another brand. But my capture card only recorded as RAW .avi video files. a 45 minute episode took up approximately 180gb - in 2007 - 2009!! I did have a few 1TB hard drives back then - back before that was normal - of course, but still, the level this guy went to, to re create this with period hardware and software is just so sweet!!! Fun Fact - ALL of my band's song releases were edited on an XP version of freeware Audacity! Edited, mixed and mastered!
Please keep this video capture series going, lots of cool gems from the 2000s must be out there Also thank you for the immaculate pronunciation of the product key
I was thinking Kevin could keep this series going for a long time. I tried various PC capture solutions including an nVidia board like an ATI All in Wonder around 2000 - 2001 before giving up and using a DVD recorder. Maybe the limitation was my 500MHz computer. More recently I have had Hauppauge PCI card with an on board MPEG encoder. That is in a Core I3 computer though. It has Firewire on the Motherboard though so the next device will be interesting.
My Jaw dropped at 5:49 when I saw just how good the video capture from this 22 year old device was. You'd think it wouldn't be *THAT* hard for a modern device to have similar results while keeping the price down, but Elgato would sure prove you wrong. I can't wait to see how the device from 1998 performs!
It can be mighty frustrating working with older interfaces in the modern era. I cannot count how many times I've found really useful ICs that do one thing or another, and then find out nobody has manufactured them in 10 years. At some point, you're just stuck with whatever still exists in a world that assumes HDMI is the only connection left standing. That, or roll your own. And to do that, you would have to have a mighty good reason. A bunch of yahoos with VHS machines who all think "it shouldn't cost more than $20" aren't a good reason. So engineers get to choose from parts with headline features like "accepts composite video sources, apparently."
@@nickwallette6201 Lots of these older devices use Philips ICs. They sold that division to Trident Microsystems who later went bankrupt. What left of any IP now belongs to Sigma Designs. What was once a growth industry became a declining one.
The 1st of ARPIL :) (typo on the PCB). In the early 2000's I was working at a local TV station and there was one of these hooked up in the commercial editing station (where local commercials were edited). From the looks of it I assumed it was kind of junk compared to the rest of the equipment we were using, it was the only thing that looked like it was made for the home market. But I toyed around with it and was surprised to see it was much more capable than it appeared.
I just love the way you record your videos, a lot of people use phone cameras and stuff now, but I love the minor artificating and fuzz of older camcorders and stuff. Never stop doing it, adds a unique vibe lost now.
Well, I only have a problem with artificially sharpened phone camera footage. If you use a proper camera today, the quality is still nice. This channel obviously uses proper cameras from the bygone era, which is also nice.
Recently, I started converting a stack of over 150 VHS and Hi8 tapes from my family hoard. I've intentionally kept the random TV broadcasts because of the way commercials act as a time capsule!
@@AerinRavage It's wild how there are TH-cam channels that are devoted to archiving old TV commercials. They're definitely snapshots of the time they were made.
@@AerinRavage After a while the commercials become more interesting than the programs. It is easy to old episodes of Star Trek etc. Less so the commercials.
I used to capture VHS with virtualDub and Avisync plus audacity for the audio side of things. All freeware, old school stuff! I captured and enhanced seasons of rare AF tv shows and tv show specials then uploaded them onto torrent sites - those versions are now in some cases the only versions that currently exist as some were never released onto DVD. This was in 2009 on a Windows XP desktop I built with dual core CPU. I chose that AMD over an Intel quad core as it did what I needed it to do over the quad higher priced one by another brand. But my capture card only recorded as RAW .avi video files. a 45 minute episode took up approximately 180gb - in 2007 - 2009!! I did have a few 1TB hard drives back then - back before that was normal - of course, but still, the level this guy went to, to re create this with period hardware and software is just so sweet!!! Fun Fact - ALL of my band's song releases were edited on an XP version of freeware Audacity! Edited, mixed and mastered! I am about to capture some amazing home movie VHS tapes from a friend of mine whose Dad recorded these in his early 20s before my friend was born - I showed her a few of these tapes and I honestly can say, without hesitation, it is such enticing footage that begs you to want to see more! It will easily be a cash cow of TH-cam content - but I wanna capture it the best I can - 50fps upscaled to at least 720i. One tape is damaged due to sticky tape syndrome - it still plays yet flickers, amazing it works at all tnh!! It has a weird 4th wall point in one scene! Real though!!!
It's impressive they managed to squeeze live video through USB 1.1. Here in Germany, back in 2002, Hauppauge was king because they were the first to figure out a convenient way to provide a good SCART input. I have had a PCI capture card, and remember recording music videos off analog TV alot. A few years later I switched to DVB-S and captured the digital data stream directly.
That's really cool to see the NES launch video! While it seems 1985 gets cited as the year everyone bought an NES and video games were saved, the NES was launched only in limited quantities in New York at the end of 1985, and didn't see wide release until September 1986, and its popularity grew over the next few years. I looked up that WNBC on the videotape label and sure enough, that's the New York station which both perfectly fits the timeline, and makes sense considering you're nearby!
I thought it was difficult to digitize analog video over USB 2.0. Now I'm learning that they were doing it over USB 1.1, and it looks amazing, and there's not even any time base correction!! Simply amazing.
I can't even tell you how many Dazzle devices I've had run through my PC rigs of yore. I had a couple of the old parallel-port-based DVCs, a couple of (USB-based) DVC2s, and a couple of the PCI-based cards, which produced DVR-level captures. Absolutely stunning, for the time ( 20 aughts). So my SHVS VCR copies of Giants' Super Bowl victories in '87 and '91 have been preserved to mpeg2 files. My most ambitious project for the older DVCs was converting MTVs music videos to files. This was before TH-cam existed; so there was no way to just "watch an old video". At the start of 2000, MTV (M2, actually) played all of the videos in their history to that point, sorted by song title. I made SVHS recordings onto giant stacks of VHS tapes. Still have them ... all the way to "Zoot Suit Riot". For weeks afterwards, I scanned through the tapes and used the Dazzle device(s) to make digital copies. This video really brought back some great memories. Not the least of which was seeing Chuck Scarborough(!) again ...
Nice, you recorded a couple of super bowls. There has been a thriving football tape trading scene since the late 90's. Probably the only scene that comes close to it is the concert trading scene. The football trading scene has been one focused on quality and has had many network connections over the years. We every super bowl from 3 on and every rosebowl since 1/1/1969 just to name a few. I feel like the TV preservation scene in the 21st century is a bit like the film preservation scene was in the 20th century. Like the film preservation scene it's a race against time as video tape degrades. In the 20 some years I have been converting video tape I can see it. My earliest transfers in 2002 were at a 4.5 bit rate to mpeg2 via a standalone DVD recorder. Today of course I have a much better setup and use a much better codec, still when I recapture my tapes often I can't get better results due to the degradation of the tape. So at any rate keep capturing those tapes. There are so many recording I have that are likely the only copy left on earth. Often not important or significant stuff, but I capture, upload and will let future generations decide how important these images are.
Wow I remember that device from about 20 years ago It was an excellent device to digitise VHS recordings. We also used it to record TV shows from analogue TV. I completely forgot about it. It was an excellent device. Thanks for bringing back those memories.
This seems to be a precursor of the DVC130 and DVC170 released in 2006. The former compresses into MPEG-1/MPEG-2, the latter can also compress into MPEG-4/DivX.
What's nice about this capture device is that it correctly preserves the interlaced video structure of analog video. The files would correctly output the correct interlace structure on analog CRT TVs as if it came from analog videotape. Newer capture devices modify that structure, or captures only the field from a frame, hence the captured video would no longer resemble what was on the analog video signal. Best bet is to use any Dazzle device or any DV or Digital8 device for analog capturing that can faithfully be reproduced on CRT screens, or recorded to analog videocassettes. 16:20 I've never seen that 8mm tape of the Sony Handy Guide to Handycam. I can see some of the shots were in Waikiki, Honolulu, Hawaii.
@@ugh.idontwanna I guess that would depend on the computer. The first device from a Google Search showed Minimum System Requirements Operating system Windows 95 or 98 Processor 133MHz Pentium RAM 32MB As if you would get good quality from that.
I ❤ the Ford Tempo. Loved seeing a good copy of that ad captured! Also this confirms my suspicions about the old Dazzle stuff being better than a lot of what people are using now.
People don't know any better and all use those trash generic Chinese Amazon things and then throw away the tapes when they upload it, sadly. This has quality Philips chips inside, like the kind of thing DVD recorders from the top brands had at the time. There was also one of these capture devices for Apple users called Formac around at the time. Expensive.
All solid caps, well designed and made hardware. Looking forward to seeing how that Firewire device performs. A lot of people would have wanted to archive at the highest practical MPEG2 bit-rate supported by DVD, and still do I guess (whatever its limitations MPEG2 is still better suited to analogue/interlaced SD video than newer codecs), certainly I would.
USB1.1 was meant for mice and keyboards. For more serious video archiving I'd recommend an internal PCI drop-in card like the Leadtek WinFast PVR 2000. I had that card some 20 years ago, it also has MPEG-2 encoder chip made by Conexant (meaning far less CPU usage, no drop-outs). And it's also a TV tuner. I've recorded VHS, Cable TV and from handycam (it has FireWire port as well). Image quality is excellent.
I use Leadtek WinFast devices, the newer ones support Vista onward (audio changed then, not that I use it) and have 64 bit drivers. There is a mix of Conexant and Phillips/NXP chip based PCI and PCIe cards. They work well even on Windows 10 and 11 if you can find any second hand ones.
If you come across a Sony GV-D1000 Digital Video Cassette Recorder at your "thrift store that has everything" that would make a great episode. It had all the features of the Sony high-end DV cameras but in a desktop format. It would convert VHS to digital format on the fly. It works best with a Firewire cable and a MacIntosh with Firewire or a rare Windows PC that has a working Firewire port. In the heyday of MiniDV we had a row of them connected to iMacs for students to do video projects. Everything became easier with the switch to video recording direct to solid state memory, but for about 10 years MiniDVD was the big whoop.
Great to see this is full resolution capture 720x480 (NTSC) and 720x576 (PAL) unlike the Elgato which quotes 640x480 resolution. I bought a Dazzle DVC100 about 4 years ago and that seems to be working fine on my older Windows 7 laptop, and I usually run that around 10Mbps (MPEG-2) which should be similar to a DVD recorder running in the 1 hour mode (XP on Panasonic and HQ on Sony).
The video from 1985 was a blast from the past, although it doesn't seem that long ago for me. That Ford Tempo looked like a brick on wheels, lol. Television was a lot more fun to watch back then.
@@mushroomsamba82 It's funny now that back in the '80s when the Ford Taurus came out it was so futuristic and cutting edge compared to the boxy cars like the Fairmont or the Chrysler K cars. But at least in those days I could tell the brands apart from each other.
@@CantankerousDave It seems like the first one I saw on the show room floor was $15,000 and that freaked me out. We bought the first '81 Escort for $6,000 and an '84 Ranger for $8,000 so I was not accustomed to that kind of price, lol.
I do recall the first NES commercial from 1985, and it was included ROB the Robot as a bundle with two games “Gyromite” and “Stack Up”. These two games are really bad. So Nintendo got rid of ROB and replaced with a standalone console with a pack-in NES game called “Super Mario Bros.” and it was an enormous success, and the beginning of the “Super Mario Bros.” franchise.
I had a Hauppauge USB capture device around 2001 or so that was just chef's kiss. No video lag, good SD quality, perfect for what I needed. Unfortunately I broke the audio input after that particular model was off the market and nothing else was ever quite as good for what I needed. I used the VirtualDub software for capturing and extracting screengrabs. Good stuff, nostalgic feelings.
Your limitation with 6Mbps video was likely due to USB 1.1 (12Mbps max) than anything else. There were internal versions of their cards that connected to the PCI bus which was faster, and had a thick cable connecting to the outside pod which had all the video connetions.
Glad you've brought up FireWire capture devices. I've been fortunate to be able to mostly capture to DV since college (so about 20 years). I have a Panasonic S-VHS player with FireWire that I've used to digitize things for years, either tapes directly or through the composite/S-Video inputs. It also has a MiniDV deck (and supports bidirectional transfer of MiniDV and S-VHS/VHS) but it eats tapes and was the reason it was scrapped in the first place--I saved it from the junk pile at my college IT job. Some MiniDV cameras also support analog capture through the AV port -- I think my Canon does.
I’m very glad you are taking the time to do these Analog-to-Digital converters. It’s insane that still, in 2024, that we have no solid and easily accessible ADC’s outside of super expensive game console upscalers. Hopefully the market changes with more people turning to Analog formats for aesthetics-sake.
I have a Dazzle DVC101 and similarly it produces pretty decent results capturing analog video. It can be made to work on Windows 10 and 11, just using a certain Roxio Video Capture driver instead of the Dazzle one - both cards use the same encoder chip.
I've found a number of the Dazzle DVC-100's at thrift stores for cheap, and they (knock on wood) "just work" on Ubuntu and Linux Mint with the guvcview package. They'll sometimes default to PAL format, though, so I wrote a script to switch back to NTSC. I should probably move on from composite video, but I'm just grateful that a decent image can be captured and recorded using these devices. Thank you, Pinnacle!
Great video! I got some flashback memories of the 90's when you played the Sony Handycam video showing a bunch of video at a beach. I was a bench tech back in the 90's and fixed lots of them. One of the most common failures were sand and corrosion from a day at the beach. One grain of sand is all it took to jam up the mechanical loading mechanism.
I enjoyed this video Please continue with this VHS capture series test all USB capture cards then USB3 then firewire then HDMI. The dazzle 200 had very good results only problem mpeg2 on encoding better than elgato.
I think Dazzle is now owned by Pinnacle studio. I have the DVC100 USB capture that I got for just $4 which works like a charm. I also still have from brand new a 2004 Pinnacle AV/DV PCI Capture card with Bluebox Breakout box. Came with Studio 9. The card still works fine with Windows 10 but I think I only remember getting it working with a 32 bit operating system and not 64 bit, drivers install but the system freezes on trying to start the capture. The USB DVC100 I got working on both 32 and 64 bit.
Looks like a great addition to an older computer/video setup! Even though it’s older than modern alternatives, it still outperforms many because it was made when analog video was still widely used. It’s exactly why I’d “upgrade” to one of these with a similar era Windows system or PowerPC Mac for this. Not to mention FireWire would give an even better result, yet this is still great for USB 1.1! Can’t wait for the upgrade to DV, perfect for one of those new PowerMac G3 Macs!
Nice! Video quality is indeed great for the tech that was available WayBackWhen, should be perfect for vintage computers and gaming consoles. I have fond memories of BlockOut (as well as Arkanoid) on a PC XT and amber monochrome monitor back in the early '90s. Never thought this Polish 3D Tetris counterpart would spread out to the States. Interested in seeing that '98 grabber someday. Fire to the wire!
Man I remember these old Dazzle products. They were so great. Their DVD menu creation software was SO cool. I had (no idea where now) a compilation DVD of all my youtube Halo 2 "machinima" videos.
The quality is kinda good, indeed and its funnny to see this Cannondale Bike Video ... talking about "us made bikes". Since 2010 production moved to asia. :D
ah~ the old days of video capture. I had a PX-M402U Plextor ConvertX Digital Video Converter and an AVerMedia Keylite back in the day. Used VirtualDub software to handle recording.
I remember these things. I imported driver's ed VHS tapes, converted them, imported them into Apple's iMovie, and made fancy DVDs for the driver's ed school with iMovie and iDVD. I realize that's double compression, yet, the results were really good!
back in the day I had a similar model of this and I used one of those radio shack video mixer boxes between the vcr and the capture devices to fiddle with the brightness and contrast. Converted a lot of home video's to mpeg2 for the family (and some of those were vhs tapes of film conversion heh)
Another great video. I hope you get a chance to take a look at the Matrox cards from back in the day as well. I remember the Matrox G400TV series, with its dedicated graphics card and breakout box (for AV connections, etc). The only thing was that they supported MJPEG (motion JPEG) which I don't believe was very common at the time (or ever), but it could encode/decode in hardware. I wonder how that compares to these other solutions. Edit: Loved the old school videos! Used to love RipTide. NBC had that great 2 hour block with the A-Team, followed by Riptide!
I still have the same computer however i have put one of the adapters in it to put a later P3 in it . I find this computer very useful for old things like this and its also a very high quality machine.
Many years ago, my great aunt's late husband gave me the predecessor version of this Dazzle capture device; it was light gray in color, and the software was designed to run on just Windows 95 and 98, but I got it to work on Windows XP through compatibility mode. Its max capture resolution wasn't spectacular by any means, but it could capture VHS tapes and make them look decent~
Also had a Dazzle device back in the early 00s to record off our for the time compact tape video camcorder, the device was pretty easy to use and the results were basically the same as watching it directly off the camera, had a lot of fun in WMM editing those clips! Recently I found some of those old videos and the quality still impress me especially for the time period.
Holy hell seeing Chuck Scarborough from just before i was born was a trip. I am so close to starting to get lots of OTA recordings just to start preserving news bumpers and commercials.
They were doing harddrive based digital video editing professionally at full broadcast resolution in the mid-90s, in those days mostly Mac based I think (which I know due to documentations I watched then, not from personal experince). You would digitise your raw video to MJPEG using cards that had a built-in MJPEG compressor chip, then edit in software, and play the resulting video out to analogue to a VCR. But at that time it was very expensive, because the capturing hardware wasn't cheap, and you needed ridiculous amounts (for the era) harddrive storage fast enough to read and write the MJPEG data stream in real time. Authoring to DVD wasn't a thing yet in the mid-90s. That is why capture devices of that era also had video out. In the late 90s that technology had already trickled down to "prosumer"/"semi pro" price points. In 1997/98 I was working with a miro DC30 card doing mostly computer animations, and the resulting video would be played out to a S-VHS VCR for presentation in a museum. Those devices were typically multistandard NTSC/PAL/SECAM/PAL-M/PAL-N. I was doing PAL being in Europe. They were using the MJPEG format because as opposed to MPEG, because changing one frame does not require recomputing a sequence of subsequent frames, so it's ideal for editing. Sequences of frames where no change had been applied were simply passed through as is, so no quality loss . Hardware MJPEG compressors were needed because the main CPUs of the era were too slow to compress video in realtime.
If you look at the product history of C-Cube Microsystems who did the codec chip in this product, they made JPEG codec chips initially, moving along to MPEG chips as the technology was standardised. You could find the MPEG chips in early to mid-1990s video-on-demand set-top boxes. A C-Cube JPEG codec chip was supposed to be part of the NeXTdimension card for NeXT workstations, but it was left off the standard product due to delivery issues, although the NeXTdimension appears to have been a bit of a flop, anyway.
I should have watched to the end, deleted my question about TVG. I like it that you always sneak in some QAF. Great show although I like the British version more. However the US version ran much longer.
I had the Dazzle thing which you had to plug into your parallel port. Also used an external power supply. Had some quirks and could only capture MPEG-1, but it was a joy to capture realtime instead of painstakingly waiting to encode from other sources. Capturing live was something unique. I miss those days. *nostalgic sigh*
Wow. Back in those days I was using a Canopus capture box to grab files as DV AVIs over Firewire. The software was WinDV 1.2.3, which still works fine today with Firewire (if you only want to capture standard definition DV video)
I did some capturing back in mid 2000's using a cheap Toshiba VCR and a variety of capture devices of the era such as Plextore and I've never had a problem like the problems we see a lot of people struggling with today.
I assume someone bought this, do archive VHS. Set it up once, and since the results were perfectly satisfactory, they kept it, but actually never used it again.
it honestly surprised me when the editor window popped up, i mean.. windows has movie maker built-in and that may be better, but the fact that they include a video editing that is already a step above a lot of capture software
7:19 "we're extremely proud of the fact that in an industry dominated by bicycles imported from the Far East we're proving that American ingenuity and innovation can compete. We're equally proud of the fact that Cannondale bicycles manufactured here are exported to more than 60 countries around the world." Well that aged like milk. In 2009, Cannondale's parent company announced that it would be closing their USA factory, moving all manufacturing to Taiwan, also known as the "Far East".
very cool old video capture thing! i miss all the electronics stores the circut city in the city i live in it sat vacant for quite a while with the signs on the building stiill until it got bought n turned into a harley davidson dealership of all things...
Wow! That was pretty good for the time it was made. I am struggling to find a good capture device for a modern computer. I have plenty of VHS and 8mm records to convert.
I was enjoying the video but then saw the misspelled month on the silkscreen (14:02), and spent the next ten minutes saying the word "Arpil" over and over, fixated on it like Jon Lovitz saying "tartlets" in an episode of _Friends_ 😅 But having overcome my own weirdness I returned to enjoy the rest of the video. Thanks, Kevin!
I have no idea how they have achieved that quality over usb 1.1. Just outstanding
Yeah as someone who archives old VHS as a hobby this device blew my mind. New beige whale to look out for I guess lol.
well, they use mpeg 2 encoder to bring bitrate down.
but you can get better solution than that, and probably cheaper: 12:40
saa71xx chip on a mere pci capture card.
you decide what compression u use, so for example, you can use mjpeg or huffyuv, which is better than hardware produced mpeg2.
you then encode that .avi file to your final format, which can be mpeg2, x264, 265... whatever.
software codecs beat hardware codecs in quality.
It's a ~4500kbit/s video stream and a 1536kbit/s audio stream, it's well under USB1.1's max 12Mbit/s theoretical maximum throughput.
@@ivok9846 I used to do this with virtualDub and Avisync plus audacity for the audio side of things. All freeware, old school stuff! I captured and enhanced seasons of rare AF tv shows and tv show specials then uploaded them onto torrent sites - those versions are now in some cases the only versions that currently exist as some were never released onto DVD. This was in 2009 on a Windows XP desktop I built with dual core CPU. I chose that AMD over an Intel quad core as it did what I needed it to do over the quad higher priced one by another brand. But my capture card only recorded as RAW .avi video files. a 45 minute episode took up approximately 180gb - in 2007 - 2009!! I did have a few 1TB hard drives back then - back before that was normal - of course, but still, the level this guy went to, to re create this with period hardware and software is just so sweet!!! Fun Fact - ALL of my band's song releases were edited on an XP version of freeware Audacity! Edited, mixed and mastered!
@@ImpiantoFacile I'd love to see usb bandwidth utilised full on 1.1 or even 2.0. if they achieved that, it's just awesome.
Please keep this video capture series going, lots of cool gems from the 2000s must be out there
Also thank you for the immaculate pronunciation of the product key
I speak native product key and his pronunciation was superb!
I was thinking Kevin could keep this series going for a long time. I tried various PC capture solutions including an nVidia board like an ATI All in Wonder around 2000 - 2001 before giving up and using a DVD recorder. Maybe the limitation was my 500MHz computer. More recently I have had Hauppauge PCI card with an on board MPEG encoder. That is in a Core I3 computer though. It has Firewire on the Motherboard though so the next device will be interesting.
My Jaw dropped at 5:49 when I saw just how good the video capture from this 22 year old device was. You'd think it wouldn't be *THAT* hard for a modern device to have similar results while keeping the price down, but Elgato would sure prove you wrong.
I can't wait to see how the device from 1998 performs!
Echoing this point, I also was honestly astonished with how good the video quality was when the direct feed came in, very impressive!
the modern ones just use a cheap chip that's also old (not as old but cheaper and smaller for sure)
It can be mighty frustrating working with older interfaces in the modern era. I cannot count how many times I've found really useful ICs that do one thing or another, and then find out nobody has manufactured them in 10 years.
At some point, you're just stuck with whatever still exists in a world that assumes HDMI is the only connection left standing. That, or roll your own. And to do that, you would have to have a mighty good reason. A bunch of yahoos with VHS machines who all think "it shouldn't cost more than $20" aren't a good reason. So engineers get to choose from parts with headline features like "accepts composite video sources, apparently."
@@nickwallette6201 Lots of these older devices use Philips ICs. They sold that division to Trident Microsystems who later went bankrupt. What left of any IP now belongs to Sigma Designs. What was once a growth industry became a declining one.
The 1st of ARPIL :) (typo on the PCB). In the early 2000's I was working at a local TV station and there was one of these hooked up in the commercial editing station (where local commercials were edited). From the looks of it I assumed it was kind of junk compared to the rest of the equipment we were using, it was the only thing that looked like it was made for the home market. But I toyed around with it and was surprised to see it was much more capable than it appeared.
I just love the way you record your videos, a lot of people use phone cameras and stuff now, but I love the minor artificating and fuzz of older camcorders and stuff. Never stop doing it, adds a unique vibe lost now.
I actually came here to figure out why it's only in 720p... It's a bit hard to watch on my tv. Guess it's deliberate.
Well, I only have a problem with artificially sharpened phone camera footage. If you use a proper camera today, the quality is still nice. This channel obviously uses proper cameras from the bygone era, which is also nice.
Product Key readback was absolute gold.
Truly Lovecraftian!
Amazing quality from this thing. Loved the commercials from ‘85!
Recently, I started converting a stack of over 150 VHS and Hi8 tapes from my family hoard. I've intentionally kept the random TV broadcasts because of the way commercials act as a time capsule!
@@AerinRavage It's wild how there are TH-cam channels that are devoted to archiving old TV commercials. They're definitely snapshots of the time they were made.
@@AerinRavage After a while the commercials become more interesting than the programs. It is easy to old episodes of Star Trek etc. Less so the commercials.
@@CantankerousDave The good stuff is elsewhere because of content ID claims. I can't even mention anything because YT doesn't like it.
I used to capture VHS with virtualDub and Avisync plus audacity for the audio side of things. All freeware, old school stuff! I captured and enhanced seasons of rare AF tv shows and tv show specials then uploaded them onto torrent sites - those versions are now in some cases the only versions that currently exist as some were never released onto DVD. This was in 2009 on a Windows XP desktop I built with dual core CPU. I chose that AMD over an Intel quad core as it did what I needed it to do over the quad higher priced one by another brand. But my capture card only recorded as RAW .avi video files. a 45 minute episode took up approximately 180gb - in 2007 - 2009!! I did have a few 1TB hard drives back then - back before that was normal - of course, but still, the level this guy went to, to re create this with period hardware and software is just so sweet!!! Fun Fact - ALL of my band's song releases were edited on an XP version of freeware Audacity! Edited, mixed and mastered! I am about to capture some amazing home movie VHS tapes from a friend of mine whose Dad recorded these in his early 20s before my friend was born - I showed her a few of these tapes and I honestly can say, without hesitation, it is such enticing footage that begs you to want to see more! It will easily be a cash cow of TH-cam content - but I wanna capture it the best I can - 50fps upscaled to at least 720i. One tape is damaged due to sticky tape syndrome - it still plays yet flickers, amazing it works at all tnh!! It has a weird 4th wall point in one scene! Real though!!!
nice work, it seems people today don't care much about archiving in general
It's impressive they managed to squeeze live video through USB 1.1.
Here in Germany, back in 2002, Hauppauge was king because they were the first to figure out a convenient way to provide a good SCART input. I have had a PCI capture card, and remember recording music videos off analog TV alot. A few years later I switched to DVB-S and captured the digital data stream directly.
That's really cool to see the NES launch video! While it seems 1985 gets cited as the year everyone bought an NES and video games were saved, the NES was launched only in limited quantities in New York at the end of 1985, and didn't see wide release until September 1986, and its popularity grew over the next few years. I looked up that WNBC on the videotape label and sure enough, that's the New York station which both perfectly fits the timeline, and makes sense considering you're nearby!
I thought it was difficult to digitize analog video over USB 2.0. Now I'm learning that they were doing it over USB 1.1, and it looks amazing, and there's not even any time base correction!! Simply amazing.
I have found that those tail end VCRs actually work really well with the Auto-tracking doing a better job than expensive ones from a decade earlier.
Hey VWestlife, I''ve been a fan since about 2009, love your videos and so happy to see you still upload quite regularly!
The performance of that thing is nothing short of amazing. That videotape from 1985 looked far better than it had any right to!
I can't even tell you how many Dazzle devices I've had run through my PC rigs of yore. I had a couple of the old parallel-port-based DVCs, a couple of (USB-based) DVC2s, and a couple of the PCI-based cards, which produced DVR-level captures. Absolutely stunning, for the time ( 20 aughts). So my SHVS VCR copies of Giants' Super Bowl victories in '87 and '91 have been preserved to mpeg2 files. My most ambitious project for the older DVCs was converting MTVs music videos to files. This was before TH-cam existed; so there was no way to just "watch an old video".
At the start of 2000, MTV (M2, actually) played all of the videos in their history to that point, sorted by song title. I made SVHS recordings onto giant stacks of VHS tapes. Still have them ... all the way to "Zoot Suit Riot". For weeks afterwards, I scanned through the tapes and used the Dazzle device(s) to make digital copies.
This video really brought back some great memories. Not the least of which was seeing Chuck Scarborough(!) again ...
MTV? Yes, I had a whole set of "120 Minutes" episodes I started digitizing.
Nice, you recorded a couple of super bowls. There has been a thriving football tape trading scene since the late 90's. Probably the only scene that comes close to it is the concert trading scene. The football trading scene has been one focused on quality and has had many network connections over the years. We every super bowl from 3 on and every rosebowl since 1/1/1969 just to name a few. I feel like the TV preservation scene in the 21st century is a bit like the film preservation scene was in the 20th century. Like the film preservation scene it's a race against time as video tape degrades. In the 20 some years I have been converting video tape I can see it. My earliest transfers in 2002 were at a 4.5 bit rate to mpeg2 via a standalone DVD recorder. Today of course I have a much better setup and use a much better codec, still when I recapture my tapes often I can't get better results due to the degradation of the tape. So at any rate keep capturing those tapes. There are so many recording I have that are likely the only copy left on earth. Often not important or significant stuff, but I capture, upload and will let future generations decide how important these images are.
Back in the day, I was a great fan of this device and remember coverting every episode of all seasons of Star Trek TNG which was no small task!
Wow I remember that device from about 20 years ago It was an excellent device to digitise VHS recordings. We also used it to record TV shows from analogue TV. I completely forgot about it. It was an excellent device. Thanks for bringing back those memories.
This seems to be a precursor of the DVC130 and DVC170 released in 2006. The former compresses into MPEG-1/MPEG-2, the latter can also compress into MPEG-4/DivX.
I don't know about you, but I'm ready to go all in on that '86 Tempo GL. Factory cassette player? *Air conditioning?* Insane. Sold.
What's nice about this capture device is that it correctly preserves the interlaced video structure of analog video. The files would correctly output the correct interlace structure on analog CRT TVs as if it came from analog videotape. Newer capture devices modify that structure, or captures only the field from a frame, hence the captured video would no longer resemble what was on the analog video signal. Best bet is to use any Dazzle device or any DV or Digital8 device for analog capturing that can faithfully be reproduced on CRT screens, or recorded to analog videocassettes. 16:20 I've never seen that 8mm tape of the Sony Handy Guide to Handycam. I can see some of the shots were in Waikiki, Honolulu, Hawaii.
When I was a teen I had the parallel port version and really wanted the USB version but it was too expensive for me at the time. Love your videos!
How was the quality of the parallel port version?
@@ugh.idontwanna I guess that would depend on the computer. The first device from a Google Search showed
Minimum System Requirements
Operating system Windows 95 or 98
Processor 133MHz Pentium
RAM 32MB
As if you would get good quality from that.
I ❤ the Ford Tempo. Loved seeing a good copy of that ad captured!
Also this confirms my suspicions about the old Dazzle stuff being better than a lot of what people are using now.
People don't know any better and all use those trash generic Chinese Amazon things and then throw away the tapes when they upload it, sadly.
This has quality Philips chips inside, like the kind of thing DVD recorders from the top brands had at the time.
There was also one of these capture devices for Apple users called Formac around at the time. Expensive.
All solid caps, well designed and made hardware. Looking forward to seeing how that Firewire device performs. A lot of people would have wanted to archive at the highest practical MPEG2 bit-rate supported by DVD, and still do I guess (whatever its limitations MPEG2 is still better suited to analogue/interlaced SD video than newer codecs), certainly I would.
Staying tuned in for that little 1998 box. I have ideas in my head how I would think it works, kinda want to compare notes.
USB1.1 was meant for mice and keyboards. For more serious video archiving I'd recommend an internal PCI drop-in card like the Leadtek WinFast PVR 2000. I had that card some 20 years ago, it also has MPEG-2 encoder chip made by Conexant (meaning far less CPU usage, no drop-outs). And it's also a TV tuner.
I've recorded VHS, Cable TV and from handycam (it has FireWire port as well). Image quality is excellent.
I use Leadtek WinFast devices, the newer ones support Vista onward (audio changed then, not that I use it) and have 64 bit drivers. There is a mix of Conexant and Phillips/NXP chip based PCI and PCIe cards. They work well even on Windows 10 and 11 if you can find any second hand ones.
If you come across a Sony GV-D1000 Digital Video Cassette Recorder at your "thrift store that has everything" that would make a great episode. It had all the features of the Sony high-end DV cameras but in a desktop format. It would convert VHS to digital format on the fly. It works best with a Firewire cable and a MacIntosh with Firewire or a rare Windows PC that has a working Firewire port. In the heyday of MiniDV we had a row of them connected to iMacs for students to do video projects. Everything became easier with the switch to video recording direct to solid state memory, but for about 10 years MiniDVD was the big whoop.
Great to see this is full resolution capture 720x480 (NTSC) and 720x576 (PAL) unlike the Elgato which quotes 640x480 resolution. I bought a Dazzle DVC100 about 4 years ago and that seems to be working fine on my older Windows 7 laptop, and I usually run that around 10Mbps (MPEG-2) which should be similar to a DVD recorder running in the 1 hour mode (XP on Panasonic and HQ on Sony).
The video from 1985 was a blast from the past, although it doesn't seem that long ago for me. That Ford Tempo looked like a brick on wheels, lol. Television was a lot more fun to watch back then.
My mom had a Tempo for a while when I was a kid, total POS 😆
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It's funny now that back in the '80s when the Ford Taurus came out it was so futuristic and cutting edge compared to the boxy cars like the Fairmont or the Chrysler K cars. But at least in those days I could tell the brands apart from each other.
@@chrislj2890 Heh, I had a 1987 Taurus. It looked like a half-melted bar of soap, but it was a pretty comfy ride.
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It seems like the first one I saw on the show room floor was $15,000 and that freaked me out. We bought the first '81 Escort for $6,000 and an '84 Ranger for $8,000 so I was not accustomed to that kind of price, lol.
I do recall the first NES commercial from 1985, and it was included ROB the Robot as a bundle with two games “Gyromite” and “Stack Up”. These two games are really bad. So Nintendo got rid of ROB and replaced with a standalone console with a pack-in NES game called “Super Mario Bros.” and it was an enormous success, and the beginning of the “Super Mario Bros.” franchise.
I had a Hauppauge USB capture device around 2001 or so that was just chef's kiss. No video lag, good SD quality, perfect for what I needed. Unfortunately I broke the audio input after that particular model was off the market and nothing else was ever quite as good for what I needed. I used the VirtualDub software for capturing and extracting screengrabs. Good stuff, nostalgic feelings.
2002 wasn't that long ago :(. You can't convince me otherwise
My WebTV homepage in 2002 was on fire...hotlinked gifs and MIDIs galore.
22 years ago…enough said
It was 60 years ago dude you are already in the grave remembering the past.
mindnuke: 2002 is closer to 1981 than it is to today
@@F40PH-2CAT Did it have the dancing baby? Or winged toasters?
Finally I understand all these old VHS tapes you keep presenting, and they don't scare me any more.
The quality is really good, surprising. I had a dazzle device back in the day around the same time. Pretty good devices.
Fully enjoy the analog capture series. Regarding bitrates, it would be nice if broadcasters used 6Mbps+ for their MPEG-2 SD channels.
Your limitation with 6Mbps video was likely due to USB 1.1 (12Mbps max) than anything else. There were internal versions of their cards that connected to the PCI bus which was faster, and had a thick cable connecting to the outside pod which had all the video connetions.
Glad you've brought up FireWire capture devices. I've been fortunate to be able to mostly capture to DV since college (so about 20 years). I have a Panasonic S-VHS player with FireWire that I've used to digitize things for years, either tapes directly or through the composite/S-Video inputs.
It also has a MiniDV deck (and supports bidirectional transfer of MiniDV and S-VHS/VHS) but it eats tapes and was the reason it was scrapped in the first place--I saved it from the junk pile at my college IT job. Some MiniDV cameras also support analog capture through the AV port -- I think my Canon does.
I’m very glad you are taking the time to do these Analog-to-Digital converters. It’s insane that still, in 2024, that we have no solid and easily accessible ADC’s outside of super expensive game console upscalers. Hopefully the market changes with more people turning to Analog formats for aesthetics-sake.
I wonder if you can hack one of those $5 WII-to-HDMI adapters into something useful for digitizing analog video.
I still use the slightly newer "teardrop" white Dazzle capture box. It's pretty reliable and easy to use.
I have a Dazzle DVC101 and similarly it produces pretty decent results capturing analog video.
It can be made to work on Windows 10 and 11, just using a certain Roxio Video Capture driver instead of the Dazzle one - both cards use the same encoder chip.
I've found a number of the Dazzle DVC-100's at thrift stores for cheap, and they (knock on wood) "just work" on Ubuntu and Linux Mint with the guvcview package. They'll sometimes default to PAL format, though, so I wrote a script to switch back to NTSC. I should probably move on from composite video, but I'm just grateful that a decent image can be captured and recorded using these devices. Thank you, Pinnacle!
Wow, that Nintendo ad at 9:21 is really cool! I'd never seen it before.
19:45 - OMFG, Been looking for that game for decades. Could never remember what it was called. Thanks a lot.
The 1st of Arpil, 2002. Happy Arpil Fool's Day, everyone!
What a beautiful device. I was highly astonished with the video quality! They don't make em like this anymore.
Great video! I got some flashback memories of the 90's when you played the Sony Handycam video showing a bunch of video at a beach. I was a bench tech back in the 90's and fixed lots of them. One of the most common failures were sand and corrosion from a day at the beach. One grain of sand is all it took to jam up the mechanical loading mechanism.
The precision engineering that went into those things is still amazing.
I enjoyed this video
Please continue with this VHS capture series test all USB capture cards then USB3 then firewire then HDMI.
The dazzle 200 had very good results only problem mpeg2 on encoding better than elgato.
And a new video series is born...
I have that same coffee mug. And, I love that you played "Queer as Folk" at the end. Thank you.
I love 2000s tech and also this channel. Keep up the good work!
There's a video here on YT where a guy completely reverse engineers a TV guardian box. Its really fascinating!
What an insane quality piece of hardware. Wowzers!
“He was Remington Steele, wasn’t he?!”
Anyway, great video! Keep the series coming!
I think Dazzle is now owned by Pinnacle studio. I have the DVC100 USB capture that I got for just $4 which works like a charm. I also still have from brand new a 2004 Pinnacle AV/DV PCI Capture card with Bluebox Breakout box. Came with Studio 9. The card still works fine with Windows 10 but I think I only remember getting it working with a 32 bit operating system and not 64 bit, drivers install but the system freezes on trying to start the capture. The USB DVC100 I got working on both 32 and 64 bit.
I still have my Dazzle FireWire bridge that I got in 2001. Same form factor - it’s fantastic.
Looks like a great addition to an older computer/video setup! Even though it’s older than modern alternatives, it still outperforms many because it was made when analog video was still widely used. It’s exactly why I’d “upgrade” to one of these with a similar era Windows system or PowerPC Mac for this. Not to mention FireWire would give an even better result, yet this is still great for USB 1.1! Can’t wait for the upgrade to DV, perfect for one of those new PowerMac G3 Macs!
Nice! Video quality is indeed great for the tech that was available WayBackWhen, should be perfect for vintage computers and gaming consoles.
I have fond memories of BlockOut (as well as Arkanoid) on a PC XT and amber monochrome monitor back in the early '90s. Never thought this Polish 3D Tetris counterpart would spread out to the States.
Interested in seeing that '98 grabber someday. Fire to the wire!
Is it odd that I want to buy a 1985 Ford Tempo now?
Man I remember these old Dazzle products. They were so great. Their DVD menu creation software was SO cool. I had (no idea where now) a compilation DVD of all my youtube Halo 2 "machinima" videos.
QaF segments are my favorite part of these videos
The quality is kinda good, indeed and its funnny to see this Cannondale Bike Video ... talking about "us made bikes". Since 2010 production moved to asia. :D
7:40 I swear that background music was in every corporate video from the mid 90s
I love your vids VWestlife! I fall asleep at night to them almost every night. Keep them coming!
riptide remington steele.. i watched those shows every tuesday back in 85......good days...oh and that poor Michael novotney....😢
ah~ the old days of video capture. I had a PX-M402U Plextor ConvertX Digital Video Converter and an AVerMedia Keylite back in the day. Used VirtualDub software to handle recording.
I remember these things. I imported driver's ed VHS tapes, converted them, imported them into Apple's iMovie, and made fancy DVDs for the driver's ed school with iMovie and iDVD. I realize that's double compression, yet, the results were really good!
To add, I used an original Athlon with Windows ME (ME was terrible) to do it, and it did very well.
back in the day I had a similar model of this and I used one of those radio shack video mixer boxes between the vcr and the capture devices to fiddle with the brightness and contrast. Converted a lot of home video's to mpeg2 for the family (and some of those were vhs tapes of film conversion heh)
Oh man, I remember this thing. Had it as a kid, hooked a camera up to it, had a ball shooting little movies on it.
Another great video. I hope you get a chance to take a look at the Matrox cards from back in the day as well. I remember the Matrox G400TV series, with its dedicated graphics card and breakout box (for AV connections, etc). The only thing was that they supported MJPEG (motion JPEG) which I don't believe was very common at the time (or ever), but it could encode/decode in hardware. I wonder how that compares to these other solutions. Edit: Loved the old school videos! Used to love RipTide. NBC had that great 2 hour block with the A-Team, followed by Riptide!
I still have the same computer however i have put one of the adapters in it to put a later P3 in it . I find this computer very useful for old things like this and its also a very high quality machine.
Many years ago, my great aunt's late husband gave me the predecessor version of this Dazzle capture device; it was light gray in color, and the software was designed to run on just Windows 95 and 98, but I got it to work on Windows XP through compatibility mode. Its max capture resolution wasn't spectacular by any means, but it could capture VHS tapes and make them look decent~
Also had a Dazzle device back in the early 00s to record off our for the time compact tape video camcorder, the device was pretty easy to use and the results were basically the same as watching it directly off the camera, had a lot of fun in WMM editing those clips! Recently I found some of those old videos and the quality still impress me especially for the time period.
Holy hell seeing Chuck Scarborough from just before i was born was a trip. I am so close to starting to get lots of OTA recordings just to start preserving news bumpers and commercials.
There are TH-cam channels dedicated to that stuff.
You can just use an old dvd recorder now to do the same thing albeit with less control over the output.
This really reminds me when I went to Fry's Electronics specifically to buy a Hauppauge video capture card.. in probably the same year.
7:17 The music on that tape sounds like a 12voltvids video with the music from Music Bakery
Same thought here.
They were doing harddrive based digital video editing professionally at full broadcast resolution in the mid-90s, in those days mostly Mac based I think (which I know due to documentations I watched then, not from personal experince). You would digitise your raw video to MJPEG using cards that had a built-in MJPEG compressor chip, then edit in software, and play the resulting video out to analogue to a VCR. But at that time it was very expensive, because the capturing hardware wasn't cheap, and you needed ridiculous amounts (for the era) harddrive storage fast enough to read and write the MJPEG data stream in real time. Authoring to DVD wasn't a thing yet in the mid-90s. That is why capture devices of that era also had video out. In the late 90s that technology had already trickled down to "prosumer"/"semi pro" price points. In 1997/98 I was working with a miro DC30 card doing mostly computer animations, and the resulting video would be played out to a S-VHS VCR for presentation in a museum. Those devices were typically multistandard NTSC/PAL/SECAM/PAL-M/PAL-N. I was doing PAL being in Europe.
They were using the MJPEG format because as opposed to MPEG, because changing one frame does not require recomputing a sequence of subsequent frames, so it's ideal for editing. Sequences of frames where no change had been applied were simply passed through as is, so no quality loss . Hardware MJPEG compressors were needed because the main CPUs of the era were too slow to compress video in realtime.
If you look at the product history of C-Cube Microsystems who did the codec chip in this product, they made JPEG codec chips initially, moving along to MPEG chips as the technology was standardised. You could find the MPEG chips in early to mid-1990s video-on-demand set-top boxes.
A C-Cube JPEG codec chip was supposed to be part of the NeXTdimension card for NeXT workstations, but it was left off the standard product due to delivery issues, although the NeXTdimension appears to have been a bit of a flop, anyway.
I should have watched to the end, deleted my question about TVG. I like it that you always sneak in some QAF. Great show although I like the British version more. However the US version ran much longer.
Wonder if vwestlife will ever delve deeper and use vhs-decode
That was a great find... much better than most of the modern capture devices. I loved the "Arpil" date on the board. ;-)
I had the Dazzle thing which you had to plug into your parallel port. Also used an external power supply. Had some quirks and could only capture MPEG-1, but it was a joy to capture realtime instead of painstakingly waiting to encode from other sources. Capturing live was something unique. I miss those days. *nostalgic sigh*
Wow. Back in those days I was using a Canopus capture box to grab files as DV AVIs over Firewire. The software was WinDV 1.2.3, which still works fine today with Firewire (if you only want to capture standard definition DV video)
If you want to capture HDV over Firewire, HDVSplit is a good, free utility.
Tempo awesomeness with a Riptide commercial. Who could ask for anything more?
I did some capturing back in mid 2000's using a cheap Toshiba VCR and a variety of capture devices of the era such as Plextore and I've never had a problem like the problems we see a lot of people struggling with today.
I used a VCR connected to an internal TV card from Hauppauge 22 years ago and recorded with VirtualDub running on Windows XP.
That 1985 bit looks satisfying, not much chroma shift visible.
Sweet a new video just in time for breakfast you're the best Kevin! I love video captures videos. Very interesting
You have the best thrift stores. The only electronics I ever find are old DVD & bluray players.
No kidding. I hit 8-10 thrifts and they all suck. Nothing ever remotely as cool as the stuff he finds regularly.
don't forget the old 4:3 LCDs and old keyboards.
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I rarely even see those anymore. Once in a while there will be some way overpriced 20 year old LCD TVs though. 😆
Maybe a weird comment, but I was surprised how immaculate that box was given it was 22 years old. Not even the corners seem damaged.
I assume someone bought this, do archive VHS. Set it up once, and since the results were perfectly satisfactory, they kept it, but actually never used it again.
I got combo (DVD Recorder + VHS VCR), manufactured in 2008: LG RC388. Six (6) heads, Hi-Fi.
I'm quite satisfied with it👌
it honestly surprised me when the editor window popped up, i mean.. windows has movie maker built-in and that may be better, but the fact that they include a video editing that is already a step above a lot of capture software
Another great video. I'm looking forward to seeing one on the1998 device that produces even higher quality captures. Hope it's coming soon!
This looks great, I love the 1985 TV continuity
I think you created a tear in the time-space continuum when you had the VCR recording itself.
I remember both my capture cards back (and even later) capturing the overscan like that, beit the POS MSI one or the good ol' Hauppauge
7:19 "we're extremely proud of the fact that in an industry dominated by bicycles imported from the Far East we're proving that American ingenuity and innovation can compete. We're equally proud of the fact that Cannondale bicycles manufactured here are exported to more than 60 countries around the world."
Well that aged like milk. In 2009, Cannondale's parent company announced that it would be closing their USA factory, moving all manufacturing to Taiwan, also known as the "Far East".
Really interested in the FireWire capture box.
very cool old video capture thing! i miss all the electronics stores the circut city in the city i live in it sat vacant for quite a while with the signs on the building stiill until it got bought n turned into a harley davidson dealership of all things...
Keep this going. This is so amazing you’re doing a great job.❤
Wow! That was pretty good for the time it was made. I am struggling to find a good capture device for a modern computer. I have plenty of VHS and 8mm records to convert.
Very good quality video capture! I use a PCI Hauppauge card, and it couldn't match this.
Thank you for your very interesting and useful videos.
I was enjoying the video but then saw the misspelled month on the silkscreen (14:02), and spent the next ten minutes saying the word "Arpil" over and over, fixated on it like Jon Lovitz saying "tartlets" in an episode of _Friends_ 😅 But having overcome my own weirdness I returned to enjoy the rest of the video. Thanks, Kevin!
Like the saying goes, Arpil showers bring Mya showers.