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Rochdale's Lost Castle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2020
- In this video, I investigate the apparent location of Rochdale's long-lost castle, the structure that gave its name to nearby Castleton.
For the members of the Facebook group 'The Village of Castleton'.
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Well done this was a fantastic insight into Rochdale’s history everything was done in a professional manner should be proud of yourself, the research you have put into this is extraordinary
I just watched your 1 st video I enjoyed finding out a little history about Rochdale and Castleton, I live in Adelaide South Australia but was born in Rochdale and lived in Castleton on St Martin's St up near the School. Keep up the good work.
that wall on sparth bottom gives it all away ... Great vid lad keep it up
I used too live in Castleton ,( now the other end rochdale) Rochdale is rich in history and hardly anyone talks about it ,thanks ,stay safe😊🌈
Thankyou really enjoyed your video as a former cassy lassy I still love all the history of castleton and Rochdale I now live in east coast of Scotland , thankyou
Fascinating and well researched.
All of the blocks on the nearby freehold estate are named after Castles.
Brilliant.
Good stuff, v.interesting to hear the background to local names like Castleton and the Blue Pits Inn. Look forward to more of the same.
Really well done and not far from me as only over in heywood,very interesting and please keep them coming,your a natural 👍
Most interesting , very clearly put.
Great video, thanks for posting, you can't beat a bit of good history especially history with a mystery
Thank you!
Thanks for this.
Top man mike keep it up.
I come from Sparth bottoms hill, steeped in memories.
Just watched this and it's very interesting,living now in milnrow to think there was a castle only a couple of miles away is amazing
I was born and bred in Rochdale and I never new about a castle in Rochdale what about in Haywood or Middleton
Such an interesting vid, thank you!
Thank you!
I know this area very well, I played on this hill nearly every day sixty-odd years ago. We had a tree swing and
used to sledge down it in the winter and in the summer have picnics. Happy memories for me , thankyou for the very interesting little video. I remember the big house on the top and also St. Albans Church. I remember carving my initials on a big tree overlooking St. Albans Church.
Lovely memories -- I wonder if your initials are still there, or if the tree has been taken away?
@@mdatkinson92 I would love to find out as I have often thought about it. The tree was a very tall one and I presume quite old as it was well matured. Big strong branches and really quite easy to climb. Directly looking over the church. ( I can just picture it now in my mind as if it was yesterday). If it is still there I would definitely not be able to climb it now.... lol. When I come to Rochdale , hopefully in the spring when things get back to normal I will have to have a ride up there and see if it is still standing.
great enjoyed it.
Great Work, keep it up Mike
Thank you Neil!
Nice job Mike. Informative and you kept it interesting throughout the vid. I also follow Martin Zero and if you have used him as your inspiration you won’t go far wrong. Looking forward to the next vid.
Thank you Darrell! I've not been well which is why this is still my most recent video but I've got some more in the pipeline.
Mike. If I remember well, I think there was a pub named "The Castle", in that area. Garry UK
You deserve a great career in tv media .. brilliant and interesting .top job
Very kind!
excellent video well done give us more about rochdale
Well done... I have been exploring the Holt family of Grisslehurst, Castleton Hall, Stubley etc around Rochdale... leading to Sir John Holt, Lord Chief Justice...
tracing family back to the 13th century...
Good stuff. I live in Castleton myself 😃
Great video, but your research made it even better Mike
Thanks!
Your bang on lad, for your first video.. Well, don't know what you do for a living now but you seem to have the northern passion for history , I'm a turf hill lad born in birch hill, live down south now but think you have brilliant potential! Get a meeting with Martin, could be the start of something good !
This is extremely kind, thank you so much!!
Since I live in Rochdale I'll try and find it
very good, very interesting video. keep up the good work 👍
Thank you!
Well done Mike.
Thank you!
Nice one Mike I think i may have commented on this vid before mate ...very informative I was very intreged when u mention were the river roach ran at that time ...or at least where we are told it ran I know that area very well and some of the said route seems a little bit impossible ..? ...maybe the construction of the library diverted the river to some extent..? ..but we all know water doesn't usually run up hill...if you look to the side of the library (touchstones )....the river is very low in relation to distance to the bottom of castle hill..?
Interesting, I'll have to go and have a proper look at that. It could be that the library diverted it, but it's also possible that the ground at that point is simply higher now due to having been built up over the years. The river certainly appears there on the old maps.
Very well put together I always wanted to know if they had been a castle on castle hill 😊
i'm in oldham, chadderton, and the thing this makes me think of is the attitude like 'its just oldham!, there wont be anything like that here!' i'm guilty of it, until i started developing an interest in local history, particularly chadderton, and realizing that places like foxdenton hall weren't always just a big derelict house in a park, that they had a history and Lords and ladies, among others, would have lived there, then discovering it wasn't the first hall on the site. and that it wasnt the only one in the local area. add to that finding out that vikings and anglo saxons were here, and romans. i spend a lot of time hovering over my local area on google maps and seeing things that we just see as a patch of grass but something tells me more often than not that theres more to it.
Great video. Any chance you can do a detailed history of Clegg Hall? I’m also a big fan of Martin Zero.
I'll certainly try!! Thank you!
Nice 👍 One Mate 😷
Great video.
I remember a lady who was a keen local historian telling me that a castle structure once stood on the high ground above Summer Sttreet in Rochdale.. Hence the name Summer Castle. I am sure she also told me that parts of the walls still stood. Summer Street is off Molesworth Street near T.K.Max.
This site would have had extensive views across the town centre.
It would be interesting to research if this is accurate. Interestingly many years ago, I worked on Drake Stteet at a shop called Stewards. It was a single storey building built in front of a large Regency house which had land to the tear flanked by a stone wall with castle detailing on the top. Not far from Summer Castle it bordered River Street..it is now all demolished.
I've heard nothing of this, but will be looking into it now! Thanks so much, Mark! This is graet info.
Taking a look now and Summer Castle seems to refer to an ancient mansion rather than an actual castle. Which is nonetheless fascinating and warrants further investigation. What I'm seeing so far corroborates your point about it having a great view over the town.
So that's where fishwick street got it's name from.
I was born in that area of Rochdale and know it very well
Well that explains why we are all do posh , we used to be in Cheshire 😃
It wasn't rough around the edges, it was done well.
Very kind, thank you!
Great video, would love to see more! Did you say the castle stood in the same place that the old house now stands?
I did indeed Lee -- the raised ground atop which sat the keep was flattened to make way for the house.
@@mdatkinson92 brilliant. Thanks a lot. I've subscribed and hope to see more of your stuff.
Great video. If Martin is your inspiration you'll do well 🙂
Excellent work and well researched. Some of the early censuses are confusing as parts of what is now clearly considered to be Rochdale were listed as Castleton. My thoughts on the pronunciation of Recedham is that it was a hard C, making it something like Reach-dam which isn't too far from the modern version. When I was young you would sometimes hear old timers say Rachdale. A road map by John Ogilby from around 1675 has the modern spelling of Rochdale and the river Roch. The `Cester` suffix has become Manchester, Lancaster and Leicester among many others. All the same but all different so I guess that you can pronounce it how you like. Have you noticed that on the early OS map Manchester Road was named Goose Lane and there was a Goose Lane House. On the Ogilby map this was Gold Lane house but he did make the occasional mistake.
This is absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing it -- I had no idea.
can you investigate Jane at Clay House?
I do need to make another one of these; life has been so hectic this past year or so. I'll do my best!
They had to keep the Oldhamers out
I'm born and bred in Rochdale what was it was the castle a anglo saxon village ?
It does seem there was a Saxon castle on the same site but the documented one is a Norman motte and bailey.
Why was it taken down ?
Anybody's guess! It's been gone centuries, lost to time.
How about a study into Trubb hall. there is a farm there behind the George and Dragon pub. My 4 times great grandfather used to be a smithy there. He was a Skelton. BTW I am from near there ...Marland area. I now live in Saltash, Cornwall. I am 63 and my parents are still around Marland at the ripe old age of 85. Between myself and my Mother we have a very good collection of books from the area i.e. fishwicks , Tim Bobbins. etc.
Many thanks, Steven! That's a great idea. I have been trying to trace Trub Hall for some time now, and have a couple of photographs of it. I think the best bet for actually identifying its specific location, which as far as I am aware has never been properly identified, is to use the photograph that has St. Martin's Church in the background and attempt to work out an approximate location.
Do you have any info in this regard? Or anything about Cromwell's supposed stay at the George?
@@mdatkinson92 I have some old maps of the area I will dig them out and scan them to send to you. May help you. As regards Cromwells visit to the George, i was aware of it as my now deceased grandfather told me about it. Apparently there was some parchment found in the wall?? I will quiz mother to she can shed any light on it. Will get back. BTW have you an email address?
@@mdatkinson92 You say you live in the Castleton area. I remember as a child going up Partington Street to the Church on Heywood road. It was a congregational Chuch then. Don't know what it is now. Also used to go the cubs/scouts there. Is it still there? and going to Tom's farm down Chadwick lane horse riding. LOL
@@goldenlabradorskye hi, if it’s the church I’m thinking of then it is now a nursery. It is called Holyrood Nursery
Great video, do you have an email address?
Thanks Louise, yes it's mdatkinson92@gmail.com
Sorry it's taken me an age to get back to you, this year has been very hectic.
hey pal im from castleton and i do metel detecting ive done my history i know where the saxon castle was in castleton if you need to have a chat hook me up on facebook pal same name as this great video by the way keep up the good work loved it :)