you obviously don't have kids or dony participate in outdoor sports where equipment is required. These things make sense to some one that is moving away from a sports car, to something that can take my son's stuff including his bike and my mountain bike with gear, but still want the performance
As a Jeep owner I can tell you it is a Jeep thing. Because I have had my wrangler since 03 and it has nearly 215k on it. probably about 15k to 20k off road. Its a jeep thing. I previously drove a toyota camry (company car, not my choice trust me) and had issues with it at 50k. replaced fan and radiator pump. Experiences differ per person and car. Although they may just be hunks of metal, each has its own personality and attitude.
SRT baby. Big ass 4 door sedan running 12's and 112MPH in the 1/4th for $46k..only in American can you get this level of performance, tech, and quality for this cheap. An M3 BMW would be $15k more. This is why i love Mopar.
Not quite, Consumer Reports recommended the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango. However, they were impressed with the Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300; expect that CR recommend check mark soon...
That must be it I know my town has the pentastar engines in the police cars. Also I don't believe there is a super charged hemi out from Chrysler yet. My bet if its a hemi in the chargers it is probably the 5.7L good HP and MPG isn't disasterous.
You cannot use anecdotal evidence. Statistically the Honda Odyssey has had way more issues with the transmission than either of the Chrysler twins. Explain why there was a difference in rating between the pontiac vibe and toyota matrix then if their reviews are so well researched?
Thing is though that people rarely buy performance cars using a practical point of view. And economically speaking this isn't much worse then any for sized v8 suv or truck, and it's on par with some performance sedans, it actually uses less fuel then a v10 m5 and about the same as an auto CTS-V. Plus for people who live somewhere there is lots of snow this thing is going to be much easier to live with then any sports car.
Again though, pick any car-ANY car, even a lexus which people hold to such high regard, can and will have the same issues if you find unlucky people (or people that lie about the car). All of the known issues for the engine (that I know of) have solutions created for them by now.
One really bad car, it happens-across every brand. Check out sienna forums or odyssey forums, and you'll find minivans missing glue and other things. It happens to everyone, and you get unlucky at times. When I meant repair vs maintenance, some companies say inspect, others say replace at x miles. The former will eventually be replaced as a "major repair" because it went unexpectedly.
Sup with the Corroded water pump on the Jeep @ 4:12 , do you think they could paint it or something ? Can not wait to work on one in a few years , broken bolts & such.
How the hell does AMG and M justify charging double or more for their equivalent cars? If you bought an X5M or ML63 AMG you are looking at $100K+. I could accept them at $75K or so because of the quality, name and materials, but double, no way.
Ok, let me fill you in. Those two vehicles are exactly the same-just a different name. One is rated better, guess which one? Anecdotes are useless, as I know more people with Siennas and Odysseys with issues than their caravan owning friends. I see more neglect the big 3 cars because "they are just going to die anyway", which speaks volumes as to why things die. Also consider what is maintenance vs "major repair" between the companies. Labeling makes a huge difference in perception.
The 2012 srt8 jeep has big transmission prob's (Don't buy!) They screwed me bad! The rims are all chipping and they will not fix. The new 2014 8 speeds are real bad, look it up!
I suppose if you just want one car to do it all. Except that the Cherokee SRT8 is too uneconomical to be a true commuter/hauler (much better options for this). And it's not a sports car, unless you think driving a sports car is only about straight-lining. And please, spare me the speech about how this truck can corner better than this or that. Compare it to a decent sports car. Point is, why buy a sfork? Just buy a fork and a spoon.
Touche. But I am looking at this from a practical point of view. The Cherokee is just too much car and it doesn't specialize in any one area. As for those idiots who are reckless out on the road, well they'll continue to do so no matter what they drive. But I understand that you think this truck is practical. Listen, it's not like I am totally blind to your side. I'm just saying, it's not for me for the reasons stated.
well lets be honest here...how often do people track their sports cars? and this thing will hang with most sports cars in its price range, in a straight line anyway...and people that race a car round corners on public streets are just idiots. In regards to your analogy with the spoon and fork...dunno about you but the less hands and effort required to do something the better...and I dont have a garage that can fit 2 cars...one that does both is bliss
Decent engineering feat. But seriously, what the f is the point? People who own one do so because they simply want it, but even they must know that this car is completely awkward. If you want a fast car, go get a real sports car.
I don't speak Spanish, sorry. But if you have a problem with my comment, feel free to translate it into a language that we both understand so that we can have a decent conversation. Otherwise, you're the only one who understands your nonsense :)
you obviously don't have kids or dony participate in outdoor sports where equipment is required. These things make sense to some one that is moving away from a sports car, to something that can take my son's stuff including his bike and my mountain bike with gear, but still want the performance
As a Jeep owner I can tell you it is a Jeep thing. Because I have had my wrangler since 03 and it has nearly 215k on it. probably about 15k to 20k off road. Its a jeep thing. I previously drove a toyota camry (company car, not my choice trust me) and had issues with it at 50k. replaced fan and radiator pump. Experiences differ per person and car. Although they may just be hunks of metal, each has its own personality and attitude.
I love my 392 Challenger. all white, no racing stripes, no sunroof. 6spd and the big stereo ready to FREAKING GO MAN! :D
SRT baby. Big ass 4 door sedan running 12's and 112MPH in the 1/4th for $46k..only in American can you get this level of performance, tech, and quality for this cheap. An M3 BMW would be $15k more. This is why i love Mopar.
Depends on which model the city was willing to buy. They can get a police package which I think has a supercharged Hemi.
I know. So now SRT is on it's own just like the ram truck brand.
I can't wait for the SRT division to go out on it's own :D
PROUDLY MADE IN CANADA!
Not quite, Consumer Reports recommended the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango. However, they were impressed with the Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300; expect that CR recommend check mark soon...
Kias are also made in West Point, GA. (Optima and Sorrento).
That must be it I know my town has the pentastar engines in the police cars. Also I don't believe there is a super charged hemi out from Chrysler yet. My bet if its a hemi in the chargers it is probably the 5.7L good HP and MPG isn't disasterous.
You cannot use anecdotal evidence. Statistically the Honda Odyssey has had way more issues with the transmission than either of the Chrysler twins. Explain why there was a difference in rating between the pontiac vibe and toyota matrix then if their reviews are so well researched?
Thing is though that people rarely buy performance cars using a practical point of view. And economically speaking this isn't much worse then any for sized v8 suv or truck, and it's on par with some performance sedans, it actually uses less fuel then a v10 m5 and about the same as an auto CTS-V. Plus for people who live somewhere there is lots of snow this thing is going to be much easier to live with then any sports car.
Considering both cars at the beginning
THEN saw the price. For that price... Might as well get a Infinity.
Again though, pick any car-ANY car, even a lexus which people hold to such high regard, can and will have the same issues if you find unlucky people (or people that lie about the car). All of the known issues for the engine (that I know of) have solutions created for them by now.
2nd generation charger srt8... and police do not get srt8s because they still need some type of gas mileage
nope If I am not mistaken they even have the v6
I think they mean the second generation of this body style.
Maybe the swedes that did the bogus moose test on the jeep should watch this video and see what they did wrong.
Dream cars
One really bad car, it happens-across every brand. Check out sienna forums or odyssey forums, and you'll find minivans missing glue and other things. It happens to everyone, and you get unlucky at times. When I meant repair vs maintenance, some companies say inspect, others say replace at x miles. The former will eventually be replaced as a "major repair" because it went unexpectedly.
Sup with the Corroded water pump on the Jeep @ 4:12 , do you think they could paint it or something ? Can not wait to work on one in a few years , broken bolts & such.
i love all of them
I got to see my (007) SRT8 being built there, I only live an hour away lol
How the hell does AMG and M justify charging double or more for their equivalent cars? If you bought an X5M or ML63 AMG you are looking at $100K+. I could accept them at $75K or so because of the quality, name and materials, but double, no way.
I believe this is the seventh generation, not second.
Already has.
RESPECT IT! Got2get1!
How's the economy in Spain or wherever you're from? Not looking good I bet...
if people pay for it then they have no reason to lower prices
Wish granted. The R/T has paddles
finally a decent looking grill
I dont want to see any dull dark grey on these.
Lime green and Orange.
No grey No grey No grey
Ok, let me fill you in. Those two vehicles are exactly the same-just a different name. One is rated better, guess which one? Anecdotes are useless, as I know more people with Siennas and Odysseys with issues than their caravan owning friends. I see more neglect the big 3 cars because "they are just going to die anyway", which speaks volumes as to why things die. Also consider what is maintenance vs "major repair" between the companies. Labeling makes a huge difference in perception.
GOD DAMN RIGHT!!! :D
the point is its 111,000...
The 2012 srt8 jeep has big transmission prob's (Don't buy!) They screwed me bad! The rims are all chipping and they will not fix. The new 2014 8 speeds are real bad, look it up!
PLEASE SRT, PLEASE I beg of you to offer the Chargers (SRT8 and R/T) with a manual trans or AT LEAST offer paddles in the R/T!!!
Mopar power!
I suppose if you just want one car to do it all. Except that the Cherokee SRT8 is too uneconomical to be a true commuter/hauler (much better options for this). And it's not a sports car, unless you think driving a sports car is only about straight-lining. And please, spare me the speech about how this truck can corner better than this or that. Compare it to a decent sports car.
Point is, why buy a sfork? Just buy a fork and a spoon.
america has finally started catching up with german automotives. chrysler by far has the best line up of cars for 2012.
Forget CR. Their blatant bias is evident throughout the years.
Touche. But I am looking at this from a practical point of view. The Cherokee is just too much car and it doesn't specialize in any one area. As for those idiots who are reckless out on the road, well they'll continue to do so no matter what they drive. But I understand that you think this truck is practical. Listen, it's not like I am totally blind to your side. I'm just saying, it's not for me for the reasons stated.
ahhh
well lets be honest here...how often do people track their sports cars? and this thing will hang with most sports cars in its price range, in a straight line anyway...and people that race a car round corners on public streets are just idiots. In regards to your analogy with the spoon and fork...dunno about you but the less hands and effort required to do something the better...and I dont have a garage that can fit 2 cars...one that does both is bliss
Decent engineering feat. But seriously, what the f is the point? People who own one do so because they simply want it, but even they must know that this car is completely awkward. If you want a fast car, go get a real sports car.
Chrysler may have the looks, but quality and reliability is abysmal
I don't speak Spanish, sorry.
But if you have a problem with my comment, feel free to translate it into a language that we both understand so that we can have a decent conversation. Otherwise, you're the only one who understands your nonsense :)
3rd.
Para mí, estas más equivocado..... mejor no sigas hablando tonterias
Rude.
Too much money. Too much gas.
you'rr rigt about shitty reliability but jeep is no where near as luxurious as ml
the charger srt8 looks bland and ugly..