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@@bryanmcclure2220 Nobody is getting the final scene when Visery is talking about a future vision prophecy that is passed down from King to King, theories say is Brann from the future. Jon Snow Targaryen name is also Aegon, who ended the war of Fire and Ice by killing Dany. That is the Aegon he is referring to but Allicent thinks it is her son Aegon.
viserys is a well written and acted instance of a horrible father and king, who deceives himself that he is well meaning, but really isn't. he is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
@@darthsampo3022 its difficult to maintain he is well meaning in face of things he does. in this episode he referred to rhaenyra as his "only child". due to viserys covering for them, rhaenyra and her children are not facing consequences for their actions. he was willing to go far beyond law to protect his daughter; overlooking maiming of his own son , killing vaemond like a lawless tyrant so that her son can get his inheritance through fraud, etc.. and foreseeable consequence his actions was a war destructive to his subjects and his house. it was his duty as a well meaning king to prevent that . he didn't do that.
@@sitting_nut lucerys is legally Laenor’s son. Laenor knew perfectly well whats up and he was in on it, and he accepted the boys as his own. You could say he adopted them. As far as I know, an adopted son has the same rights as a natural born one. Difference in case of Joffrey was that Robert didn’t know he was received, and he would’ve pit Cersei and her children to death.
@@Shuddho1980 you are willfully pretending to be naive and blind, to defend the indefensible. nobody is claiming any adoption or legitimization here. rheynera is literally claiming (in fact perjuring) lucerys to be "true born son" of laenor. how did you miss that straight out fraudulent claim? do explain. that laenor took part in the fraudulent scheme perpetrated on others, so he can benefit, does not make that any less fraudulent . in any case he is legally murdered( as he is actually in book) . based on facts and law, vaemond was the heir. king and his daughter tyrannically used illegal violence and fraud to murderously grab his inheritance for benefit of her son ( who it should be noted knowingly took part in the fraud ). and to keep on deceiving rest of the realm so that she and her children can continue to be the heirs to the throne.
It was a beautiful scene. It showed how Daemon, for all he's done and said up to now, truly did love his brother as much as Viserys loved him. I really liked how Viserys was complaining that he didn't need any help until he realized it was Daemon, and then he just allowed his brother to do help him up the Iron Throne.
Luna is what happens when an ableist allistic person writes an autistic character. Helaena is what happens when people listen to actual autistic people when portraying autistic characters.
viserys is a well written and acted instance of a horrible father and king, who deceives himself that he is well meaning, but really isn't. he is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
Even though I'm completely Team Black, I have to give Aemond some leeway with his "strong" speech. He was provoked by Luke snickering at him when the pig was put in front of him. Also Jace punched him first. So Aemond didn't really bother me too much this episode. He just comes off as a formerly bullied kid, that just went to the gym a lot lol
OK, but to be fair lucerys is younger and if I were him, I would snicker over a roast suckling pig being set in front of his uncle that they presented with the pink thread. I’m sorry I have two boys I know they would’ve been doing more than just snickering a little bit because that shit is funny to kids and new series is still very much a child in this episode. And I do not give me wrong. Aemond reminds me a lot of Daemon and I love Daemon. And second sons, who feel like they’re better fighters and better rulers, they have a lot in common not to mention the fact that they’re both rather hot looking in their badness it wasn’t Luke’s fault. Luke was the youngest of all of them I get why he’s snickered. I laughed, and I’m a full grown adult woman, but when that pig was set in front of Aemond. I laughed.
Vaemond glimpse at Otto when Viserys entering the Throne room and Otto was liked : "Don't look at me. This is not in the plan and I wasn't expecting it. Prepare for the worst." 🤣
Viserys true loves were Queen Aemma, his brother Daemon and his firstborn and heir Rhaenerya, so sad to see him go but now he is with his first wife and he got a good last day and final memory of his family. Forcing himself to go and support his daughter broke me, he loved her so much 🥺 ❤
@@bryanmcclure2220 The bias was quite clear. You never saw Viserys do much with his children nor go to bat for them. Hell, Aemond was literally maimed and he didn't seem to care a whole lot and let the attackers go without even a slap on the wrist. Rhaenyra's children he has gone to bat for multiple times and praised.
@@MrFredstt I wouldn't say he didn't care he did. You could see it in his face he was absolutely Griff stricken To see his child hurt by his grandson. But what could he do exactly what more did you want from him. As he said it's not like he can return the boy's eye.
@@bryanmcclure2220 No he couldn't return Aemond's eye but to let them go without even a stern talking to is crazy. Some form of punishment would have been justified and it would have cooled off Alicent. Alicent goes ballistic because she saw Viserys wasn't going to do anything and viewed it as her children been treated as second class compared to Rhaenyra
Jace is smart enough to not push his luck with aemond, aemond would've been even more furious and it would've guaranteed in an assassination of Jace by none other than aemond.
Letting ANYONE know about the Laenor thing, even if its Rhaenys, gives one more person the knowledge that her marriage to Daemon is false, their children are false, etc. You absolutely cannot trust Rhaenys or anyone else with that information, even if I personally really wish Rhaenys knew.
+ We as the audience know that she doesnt care about the throne, nor hate anyone for it. But Rhaenyra doesnt, she might think saying it would make Rhaenys wants the throne again and compete with her (by telling everyone it's a null wedding and such) This show is brilliant. (has it's flows but way less than s6,7,8)
He was a very good man, and he was a king who strove for peace. However, I do believe he had very weak moment as a king, but who the hell can be strong all the damn time without being evil hard and mean
I get you on the family member holding on. My mother was diagnosed with brain cancer last August and was gone 3 months later to the day. At the end she was basically not there mentally. She didn't talk, was hardly ever awake. This was during a phase of covid where the hospital wouldn't allow more than one visitor at a time until she was a hospice patient. When they let me and my two brothers in, my dad told her we were there, we crowded close, and she opened her eyes wide and looked squarely at each of us. As if she was saying goodbye. Then she hung on a couple of days longer, until my parents' 38th wedding anniversary. I think she held on long enough to hear my dad tell her happy anniversary. She was similar to Viserys in that her family was very important to her and she couldn't stand it when we fought!
Personally I don't think misunderstanding Viserys's dying words decided Alicent's future actions (whatever they may be), I think it was more like she was going to continue with her agenda anyway but Viserys's words helped her to resolve her own internal conflict about it - she can use it to justify things to the world and, more importantly, to herself.
@@LS13. Now our reactors have finished S1, there are SPOILERS FOR ALL OF SEASON 1 IN THIS COMMENT. Sure you're right, no throne ambition for herself, but she's long wanted her half of the family to be favoured and in a position of power over Rhaenyra's. She must have considered the events that would occur when Viserys inevitably died and it was no secret she wanted to be favoured in the fallout. And she's not unfamiliar with power grab plots either - in E8 she was conspiring with Vaemond to usurp Corlys' seat upon his death to place her ally in a position of power and prevent Rhaenyra's son taking that seat. Let's pretend that Viserys never said anything to Alicent before dying... Otto and the green council were still plotting to install Aegon and would have still succeeded in Rhaenyra's absence from King's Landing. I think Alicent would have still gone along with her father for the sake of her family as long as it didn't involve killing Rhaenyra, as we learn in E9 she objects to. Viserys' final words allowed her to justify what was to come to herself - she wanted to believe it despite it being too good to be true, and it makes a great story to tell to any doubters of the green's cause. Even Aegon knows it's a ridiculous thing to believe that Viserys changed his mind on his deathbed.
Most shows today would have taken Rhaenyra and Alicent toast scenes and given them snarky lines that shoot across the bow. That toast came off as wholesome, sincere, and beautiful. These writers are doing a hell of a job. Great job
Haleena's joke becomes much darker if you consider Aegon's previous act of drunk SA that day. She doesn't enjoy him and he usually only bothers her when drunk. Reminds me of a Cersei scene from the books where she think on her sex life with Robert. He only came to her instead of prostitutes if he was drunk. She usually could satisfy him by hand but sometimes she reluctantly let him have more.
This scene become funny to me when I realised that my problem with the incest is that they don't have good nice sex. This show makes you have weired takes.
Interesting detail. Viersys has previously been a king who was pushed around by his advisors and council. He was consistently cut by the throne. But now that he is being a "strong" ruler in his final hours, the throne no longer cuts him despite his age.
Truth and the absolute beautiful look on his face as horrifying as he looks when Damon and Rhaenyra come into his room, and there are cobwebs on his “warcraft “table. He is so proud of having a baby named after him with the name visarys, he wasn’t as thrilled about naming his firstborn with Allicientn Aegon that did not give him the same look on his face that when his brother and daughter, which is a weird thing to say together named their child after him
Aemond was pissed when he made that salute to the strong boys because they had servants send that pig to him to be sat right at his seat in reference of the "pink dread" his first dragon. Then Luke the person who cut his eye out is laughing about it in his face. They really did provoke Aemond.
@@LaCheeserie So people say Aemond deserves to get maimed because he was a bit rude but Luke doesn't deserve to get ribbed for laughing at Aemond because the pig reminded him of the time they pranked Aemond?
The way Daemon cut Vaemond was at an angle that still had Vaemond's tongue attached to his neck.. 🤣 You can see the tongue stick out from the neck like a reptile. Then he looks at Aemond.
HOW COULD YOU ALL REMAIN DRY EYED??? I started crying as soon as I saw Viserys at the beginning, all the way thru to the end. I also thought of my Mom…. 💔💔
The thing I love about this show is that they can make you dislike a character like Vaemon for doing absolutely nothing wrong lol. Like everything he says is true and makes sense. Most of us would do the same thing in his situation 😂
@Dream Shake Junya Hashing out matters of succession typically doesn't wait until after someone is dead. Ideally, they should be settled before then. Point still stands, Vaemond didn't do anything wrong. He simply wanted what was rightfully his to inherit and didn't mind being utilized by characters we dislike for their own ends. You can dress it up however you want, but at the end of the day, Lucaerys *was* a bastard who had no legitimate claim to the Velaryon family estate. I still enjoyed watching him get his head chopped off, don't get me wrong. But at least I'm cognizant enough to realize that's only because I know that I've been conditioned by the show to be biased towards Rhynaera and her family.
Honestly, I think at a certain point he decided to just die. He must have known he was gonna die after saying bastards so openly, never mind when he called Rhaenyra a whore. Nothing could have saved him from that.
My eyes welled up every time the king was on screen. I’ve seen family shrivel away. I’m about to go to thanks giving dinner hung over at my grandparents house. And my grandparents won’t be there..
I understand how that feels too, on my Mum’s last day she basically held on to have all her four children around her. We stood around her bed at the hospital for awhile playing her favourite music. But because of Covid we couldn’t stay all night so we left. But I do believe that she held on long enough to hear all our voices and then passed away not long after we returned home. So I relate to your grandma situation ❤
Its not even a secret. He doesnt want the throne at all and he very clearly didnt want to marry Helaena. He just want to get drunk and have sex. But Alicent is forcing him to be someone he doesnt want to be. And hes clearly suffering for it
I sometimes think Aegon Secretly wishes he was Rhae son, because look how her kids turned out compared to his family, Aliscent didn't know how to raise Targaryen children, she had no understand what it was like, Aemond's obsession with Dragons, halaena Prophecy, and Aegon's lust, Yeah think about the culture he is growing up in, its more more reserved, conservative, shaming ones desires, no one ever taught him how to be with a woman, thats why he thinks he can do as he likes, thats why he has no awareness on how to treat them, no one taught him, he was an emotionally neglected child. Rhaes kids on the other hand seem warmer, a little more delightful, yeah they are bastards, but they are much more well mannered bastards.
@@kmt8825 Lmao true fuck Alicent such a shitty mother who doesn’t know how to raise targaryen children!! I wonder who in their family could have raised them then…. someone who undertands how to raise Targaryen children…. I wonder…
I agree with you he did not want to be king. He tried to hide from even being found, because the boy did not ever want to be king. He just wanted to be his drunk ass go find a girl kind a guy he never asked to be king his grandfather otto and his mother pushed him into that he would’ve been to need to Rhaenyra and she would’ve never put him to the sword but that is not one of his grandfather or his mother wanted.
Rhaenyra boys are phenomenal. They’re respectful they are boys who listen to their mother. They are boys who follow the rules for the most part. I have two boys they’re not perfect however, they are not like allicents ‘s children.
Love how you started with a cheerful and lighthearted Established Titles skit (absolutely loved it btw) and I felt like "oh boy... they're not ready..."
I have mixed fellings about stuff like Established Titles. The land purchase is to small to register, and the title is not recognised by the King of Arms of Scotland. Official titles are not conferred to people without residence in Scotland. So all you are buying is a souvenir diploma. But if the buyer does not understand that in advance, they deserve being taken for a ride.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Boy, you missed that one...Established Titles isn't about acquisition of land or the actual giving of titles. It's sole purpose is to raise funds for the preservation of land, tree planting etc. It just does so with a novel reward for the donors. Therefore, no-one is being "taken for a ride".
Regarding New Gods vs Old Gods, beside the North only a few remote locations in the South (and the Blackwoods, which we saw when the kid tried to marry Rhaenyra) follow the Old Gods according to the books. Oldtown is indeed the oldest town in Westeros, and is older than the Faith of the Seven, as are the Maesters who study there, so they used to follow the Old Gods, but are now the seat of the New Gods (the giant Sept from GoT isn't built yet, so the High Septon is in Oldtown rather than King's Landing) - this is why the Hightowers are both an ancient house related to First Men institutions like the Maester, but also deeply religious and connected to the Faith of the Seven.
Man that Velaryon theme is so epic lol but then you hear Viserys theme as he walks in my God! Chills all over my body. Ramin Djawadi is the incredible 🔥🔥🔥
Everyone says the Queen is the evil one but I ask, what wrong has she truly done thus far? Has she lied, killed anyone? Has she treated the King badly? All she wants is her son to be King. On the other hand Daemon has murdered and done many terrible things. Rhaenerya has lied about her sons being her former husbands and she was complicit in the murder of an innocent man. So again, who really is worse. The Queen or Rhaenerya?
She killed Lyonel Strong and Harwin Strong by proxy probaly laid with king Viserys before they were married seduced her best and only friend's father and lied about it.
The other shoe to drop during the dinner scene is the realization that while the adults might be willing to make peace, their actions and rivalries have infected their children and the next generation. That even in some hypothetical land, if Alicant and Rheynear did make peace, their children would continue the feud and clearly hate each other.
It was said that Alicent really began to embrace the Faith of the Seven after that incident where she ended up cutting Rhaenyra with the dagger. She was very concerned that people would think she acted very erratically. So you can either interpret it as a way for her to put up a pious front, or that she was actually embracing the faith on a deeper level because of what happened. That earlier scene with her and Rhaenyra praying was in a Sept of the Seven. They were praying in front of a statue of the Mother. So Alicent was a practitioner of that religion for most of her life. I thought that one of the interesting things in that early episode was how Rhaenyra was not very comfortable or familiar with praying, even though the Faith of the Seven is the official religion of the state. So you would have thought that she would have been brought up with those traditions. The Targaryens officially adopted that religion when they first took the Iron Throne. But that doesn’t mean that the family actually kept the religion. Daemon and Rhaenyra’s wedding, as well as all their speaking in Valyrian show how much they are attached to their heritage. And the Valyrian’s had a religion with a large pantheon of gods.
I think Alicent and her family always wanted to put Aegon on the throne but considering Alicent is very religious, she only needed that last confirmation to go ahead. So its not that she misunderstood the prophecy but rather that it confirmed it for her that it was the right thing to do.
It’s funny when people don’t correlate Aegon’s actions being protected by his royal parent with Rhaenyra also being covered up by her royal parent. Your modern sensibilities don’t allow you to see they are both entitled. Just Rhaenyra’s royal parent is divided by his love for both sides of his family. Alicent not so much (beyond Viserys and occasionally Rhaenyra).
viserys is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
@@sitting_nut 100% agree, there is no defense for him. 8 episodes, he did not spoke a single word about his subjects, is all about his descendents and keeping power for his house. His kids are even worse, they all deserve what is coming
Well true, but royal parents protecting rape is much different than the what Rhaenyra is protected for. There’s levels to it but you’re definitely right.
32:07 : "I understand, my King" ; it may be that Alicent DOES eventually understand that Viserys has mistaken her for Rhaenyra but is consciously choosing to take his words as meant for her. I swear I could see that devious train of thought play across Olivia Cooke's face in that moment ,31:56, as Alicent goes from confusion to realisation. She doesn't end the scene still looking confused. Or maybe it's just me who's devious!
Your right. He was not in his right mind and thought that he was speaking to Rhaenyra. This bloody civil war will start over a misunderstanding....which is a tragedy.
I genuinely don't understand how so many people misinterpret that scene with Alicent and Dyana. Alicent isn't threatening her, she's telling her that she, as a mere serving girl, cannot go around accusing a Targaryen prince of being a rapist. Something like that could get her killed or worse. She gave Dyana moon tea because giving birth to a Targaryen bastard would, while a threat to Alicent's children should Aegon take the throne, would also absolutely make Dyana a target. People seem to have this idea that Alicent is some kind of Cersei-lite which she isn't. Alicent is defined by internal conflict. She wants to be a good person, to be a dutiful Queen and daughter. Being a good person means she ought to reconcile with her extended family. She's pulled in the opposite direction by her family by birth and she has been since she married Viserys. People are quick to forget that Alicent was on Rhaenyra's side and chose her over her father right up till she found out Rhaenyra swore on her dead mother and lied to her face. Her feelings on Rhaenyra were justified by Rhaenyra blatantly having bastard children with her sworn sword and passing them off as trueborn. Now her internal conflict is staying true to the values that she ended her relationship with Rhaenyra over while having to acknowledge that her eldest son is in every way worse than what she assumed Rhaenyra would be. Anybody with eyes can see that Aegon is her least favourite child. Anybody with eyes can also tell that while she's still very much angry at Rhaenyra, Alicent is still conflicted by her. Hell, she was actually willing to reconcile with her after everything. If Alicent and Rhaenyra had a single heart to heart at any point, she likely would have reconciled with Rhaenyra years ago. Obviously the civil war would have likely still kicked off since it was far more complicated than Alicent's feelings on the matter but still. If Alicent were exactly as she was in the book then I'd understand all the hate she gets but Alicent in the show is genuinely more sympathetic and understandable than her book counterpart ever was.
A great moment in this episode was improvised. Viserys' crown fell off, and they didn't stop filming as Matt Smith picked it up and put it on Paddy Considine's head. I'm glad they kept that take.
Alicent is not a villain, she has never been villain. You can easily see that if u REALLY analyze her objectively. Even Rhaenyra accepted that she cared the king so much in this episode.
Nope shes very clearly the villain. Sadly shes also being manipulated by Otto. Alicent is forcing Aegon to go for the throne despite Aegon claiming he doesnt want it. Alicent forced Helaena to marry Aegon despite Aegon clearly not wanting to marry Helaena and Helaena not enjoying marriage. She went out of her way to stir shit with Rhaenyra all because Rhaenyra had sex without being married. She also attacked a child with a knife.
Hah she’s a villain too cmon. Calling others delusional and need therapy but at the same time telling others to look at her choices objectively…coo coo.
“As we were filming this, the crown fell off Paddy's head and Matt picked it up and we continued. We didn't stop filming”, revealed director Geeta Patel
There are disadvantages if Alicent's and Raehnyra's sons sharing the same name. It is very unfortunate that Alicent now really believes that she has the king's consent to ascend the throne herself. Or at least that she believes she is part of the prophecy on which the future of the house depends. This means that she has to have Raehnyra and her sons eliminated, because officially the king gave her the support again. There is no other way. And she believes that this is exactly what the king has unofficially given his consent to. Middlefinger Strong and his assassins will probably be used again for this. Btw. Deamon has found matching 3 dragon eggs. Could this be Dany's Dragons from Game of Thrones? The eggs that took so long to finally hatch.
Nah, those eggs will be for Daemons kids of course, that's why he was so excited. They'll hatch during HOTD and be ridden by Rhaenya (his daughter with Laena with no dragon) and Aegon & Viserys (his two sons with Rhaenyra). These eggs came from Cyrax (Rhaenyra dragon), Dany's eggs in GOT came from a different dragon.
Viserys took more of that milk of the poppy that he thought he was talking to Rhaenyra who also has a son named Aegon. Just want to say Vhagar got over Laena real fast to let Aemond claim her.
At around 40:00 ish, Targaryens never marry parent to child, it’s the one line they don’t cross. Even Rhaneyra marrying Daemon is consider controversial for Targs because they usually incestuously marry within a generation (brothers to sisters) not cross-generationally. Ironically tho, the Northern Houses would have less issue with it because the Starks married uncle to niece twice in their history. They also have female matriarchs of Houses on occasion.
This was THE best episode in the season so far, there is not a single scene I didn't enjoy, and the the scene with the dinner, and the happy music fading into this kind of melancholy "good-bye" sounding music was just so good. Chef's kiss episode
And now the DANCE begins 💯😈 Also this show is the best show on 📺 by a country mile because it has a perfect balance of casting and writing. It's basically peak GOT for me at this point and IMO it will surpass the main show because I have always liked the DANCE story better than the main story. P.S I like the Blackfyre story better than the main one as well.
*Three* *Overlooked* *Scenes* When Daemon discovered Syrax laid 3 eggs. Have you ever seen Daemon so excited and smiling so big before? One of the eggs will hatch and become Morning, Rhaena's dragon. The moment Daemon discovered about the maester conspiracy which is way too late by this point. He smelled the cup filled with milk of the poppy. Understand that this is only the 3rd time Daemon has returned to King's Landing after *20* years. He returned when he seduced Rhaenyra and then when he invited himself to her wedding. The milk of poppy is basically like morphine to keep Viserys sedated but he can no longer think straight which puts the Hightowers making decisions on the throne. Viserys had a hard time recognizing Daemon and Rhaenyra on their arrival. Daemon calls out Alicent on this. Then Rhaenyra asked Alicent who will be the one who will give judgement to Lucerys' inheritance? Alicent said that would be her and her father. Viserys showing up was important as this saves Lucerys' claim for Driftmark. Alicent no longer had authority over it. The scene with Mysaria. This is the one I didn't understand at first because I didn't know that was Alicent's servant girl, Talya, who gave the moon tea for Dyana (Aegon's rape victim). When you see someone wear a hoodie, you obviously think of Daemon or maybe Aemond. But it's Talya. I thought this would be the scene to poison Viserys but it wasn't. Viserys sorta died on his own. But this scene is important because it means Mysaria has a spy in the Red Keep. *Book Spoilers* Mysaria plays a role with Blood and Cheese and is a major ally to Rhaenyra during the war. So big, Rhaenyra let's Daemon sleep with Mysaria every night.
What is the story behind the woman that Daemon was with before that appeared in this episode, it seems like her spy is going to tell her about what happened with Aegon. Do we know who's side she is on at the moment? I don't want book spoilers I just need to know if I missed something.
I believe the show established that Viserys was in incredible pain and palliative care was necessary. Keeping him on milk of the poppy was not merelyto keep his wits addled, but that was a convenient side effect.
With the way the story has gone in the show, especially with how the book Daemon and Rhaenyra weren’t really that in love compared to soulmates in the show, definitely don’t see them going open relationship for Mysaria and Daemon to sleep together, esp cos they make Daemon like be really dismissive of Mysaria even before he married Rhaenyra.
Love and lust are separated thing in Westerosi society, there's so many bastards . Even from a man that seem faithful and loveable husband, like Corolys Valeryon. 😁
Thank you for sharing the story about your grandma because that is often the case they don’t want to die alone they want to die with their family for my grandpa. He very much needed to know we were all going to be OK. We would all look after each other, and that we were OK if he went. My grandma was the same way. She very much wanted to know that her kids were around her and that they had all our back‘s because she wasn’t there to watch us. So I appreciate you sharing the story. I actually broke down in tears during this episode because it reminded me of that but listening to you talk about it made me cry again good in a good way so thank you.
I missed any issues with editing mid swing, but I had to watch it back to catch that. not really an issue for me, but these scenes probably take hours and they are just going for the best they can get. Most actors aren't going Tom Cruise with real weapons and all
Not only were Paddy's visual effects outstanding for his decline in health, but his acting was so convincing I'm scared that might just bury that man IRL.
Vaemond saw his opportunity slip away when Viserys showed up, so I think he decided he was going to have the truth stated plainly in public. From Vaemond's point of view House Targaryen has just conspired to softly take over House Velaryon. Everyone else who has a say is Targaryen by blood or by name. He suspects that Daemon and Rhaenyra did Laenor in (and he is not entirely wrong about that either, they did have the identity of Laenor Velaryon destroyed). Saying that Laenor's supposed sons are bastards is measure of revenge for what has been done v to his family. This has been very effective storytelling which has elevated the source material, and all the cast are putting in excellent performances. Bravo to Paddy C. for his Viserys. "Then the storm broke and the dragons danced."
I have worked with dying people quite few years and I can certainly recognize the phenomenon you describe at the end. Some people have obligations or attachments that keep them going even when they are closing to death. One of the blissful things about the job is to try to see where you can find to help them to find peace at the end. Some want to have childhood food or familiar taste or flavour from the past (we have drove around bakeries and special shops to get exact things they have requested). Some want family to be there. Couple times we have moved the beds outside for couple sun loving patients to enjoy the sun and smell the barbeque one of families was making for the whole unit.
@@hoon_sol helaena says “have you seen dyana she was supposed to dress the kids” and alicent says “what about your wife” to aegon. Then helaena talks in the dinner scene about here marriage to aegon and him ignoring her.
@@crystall.411: You're right. I missed that. My mistake. I knew they were married from the dinner scene, but didn't catch her mentioning "the kids", which implies she's talking about her own.
What a great show. I'm going to miss the king. I never thought I would cry when he showed up for the sake of his daughter. It was like his last march and it was glorious. I have to say that is better than GoT. It's full of tension, suspense and emotion that takes me on a rollercoaster ride of emotion. Farewell King Viserys. May you rest in peace.
The scene where the viserys is approaching the throne and his crown falls off and daemon picks it up and helps his brother to the throne. My understanding is that where is all unscripted it happened and it looks so amazing they kept it in and it is the scene that made me cry during this episode because it showed how much the brothers loved each other, and regardless of all the political bullshit
Alicent was praying to the seven. I dont think you pray to the old gods in the sept. I mean its called the SEPT. People who pray to the old gods do so at the god wood.
In the books there is no such misinterpreted conversation with alicet, she was always Power hungry. But I think because of the romanticization they're doing on the character, it's better to just be misinterpretation
There's nothing wrong with it, the book was written like a history book and history are written by the winner. King Aegon III are team black, of course the writers would bias toward team black 😁
@@thomasjuniardi3559 for me the book was written by people who were definitely in favor of fighting hahahaha because it didn't really value anyone, except men as usual
21:40 Good episode. Paddy Considine and Matt Smith should get BAFTA nomination for their performances as Viserys and Daemon Targaryen. It was heart-wrenching seeing Viserys sick, frail and dying. RIP King Viserys Targaryen.
12:00 why is he a monster here? He had done nothing wrong yet. Dude was bullied by his brother and nephews as a kid for not having a dragon and when he claims one(which he had all the right to do) he got ambushed by four children and then lost an eye💀 if we really think it through the "monsters" would be the other children
Alicent follows the 7. They pray to the Mother as kids, which is one of the 7. It's interesting because Alicent had Aegon marry Helaena, and that's a big no no in the faith of the 7.
Aemond will defo add spice to the remainder of the season but I'm team Daemon all the wayRhaenys slayed her part of the game , while Vaemond vehemently doomed himself by not playing it.
“Alicent: the king told me that Aegon must be king” “Rhaenyra: Alicent do you really believe that he was talking about your son Aegon, and not my son Aegon?!” “Alicent-…….you right you right”
Except the fact that Allicent thought viserys was talking to her, since only she was there when he spoke, not Rhaenyra, so your comment remains invalid
@@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08 no it doesn’t because not only did Rhaenyra talk to viserys before that but Rhaenyra knows about the prophecy and Alicent doesn’t, Alicent is all around missinformed the dagger has the prophecy written in its blade and is proof that Rhaenyra isn’t lying.
Vaemond was probably hoping for an arrest and a trial by combat, which would allow him to prove before the Gods that Jace, Luke, and Joffrey are bastards. And if you think about it, he was just refusing to compromise, similar to Stannis, about allowing unrelated bastards steal his family’s throne.
Speaking of #PROPHECY did anyone else catch the prophecy that was whispered by Helaena Targaryen (bug loving girl) at the dinner table? Just before she stands to give her toast she whispers "BEWARE THE BEAST BENEATH THE BOARDS"🤔... She already predicted someone losing his eye (Viserys or Aemond) when she said to her bugs, "he will have to close an eye" l wonder what the new prophecy means... anyone got a clue?
2 contendors, blood and cheese(book thing, don't ask its a huge spoiler and don't reach it either{if you want small amount of information I'll give you some though ) and the fact that Alicent and Otto seem all cool on the face of it but are actually beasts aka being 2 faced
Viserys walking to the throne gave me strong Men Of Honor vibes 😂😂😂😂 Otto: “Nine! The Navy Diver is not a fighting man, he is a salvage expert. Ten! If it is lost underwater, he finds it. If it's sunk, he brings it up. If it's in the way, he moves it. Eleven! If he's lucky, he will die young, 200 feet beneath the waves, for that is the closest he'll ever get to being a hero. Hell, I don't know why anybody would want to be a Navy Diver. Now you report to this line, Cookie!”
Even if Visarys died walking to the throne, it wouldn't matter, Rhaynera is next in line and she is right there. She would reconfirm her son as the next Lord of the Tides.
*DAEMON* *IS* *STILL* *THE* *BADASS* *KING* 👑 *DAEMON* *STOLE* *THIS* *EPISODE.* I thought it would be AEMOND and he looked cool. But when Daemon sliced Vaemond's head, Aemond had all kinds of emotions running in his head. Then when Daemon walked up to Aemond, his nephew knew what's up and walked away. Aemond doesn't want Daemon's smoke even after trying to shame Jace and Luke. 🤣 This episode showed that Daemon is still the biggest BADASS in the show and Aemond is the young pup trying to be like him. It's like Aemond is Kobe and LeBron worshipping MJ 🐐 as kids. We also saw the most compassion from Daemon in this episode by seeing the pain in his face seeing his brother like that. Helping Viserys walk up his throne and putting the crown on him. This was compassionate, caring Daemon at his best. This is where I believe Daemon will always be higher than Aemond on my favorite list. Because Daemon has a HEART. You can be a BADASS but if you don't have a heart and compassion, it's harder for viewers to care about that character. You don't want to be a badass but also a cold, heartless monster. This is the difference I see from Daemon vs. Aemond. Daemon has that heart in him the way we saw in Jaime when trying to save Brienne from a gang rape. Daemon cares about others and Aemond seems unfriendly and spiteful. Aemond may look like a badass but Daemon is already a certified badass while still charming and funny. Seeing Daemon and Aemond standing face-to-face is foreshadowing of the main event later down the line. The O.G. vs. Young G. Bravo to Paddy Considine. He will truly be missed. My MVP in terms of acting from Ep 1 through 8. With Viserys dead, let the Dance begin. Let the 💩 hit the fan. My favorite moment: After Vaemond calls Rhaenyra a whore, Viserys stands up and says, "I will have your tongue for that." Daemon slices Vaemond's head from behind and then says, "He can keep his tongue." Then Otto yells, "DISARM HIM!” The cool part is when the knights drew their swords, Daemon being the GANGSTA that he is looks totally nonchalant and is cleaning the dripping blood from Dark Sister while looking directly at Aemond who looks impressed. Then the scene when Daemon chuckles when Aemond walked away from the dinner scene. I believe this is only the 2nd time in 16 years that Daemon and Aemond have ever met. Technically, 15 years. Aemond wasn't born yet when Rhaenyra wed Laenor. The first time was in Driftmark. For folks who like the Jon Snow/Robb Stark good boy types, watch out for Jace. I swear, my boy Daemon and my boy Bronn would've been best friends if they lived in the same era. "You don't fight with honor!” "No. He did"... "He can keep his tongue." Then a nonchalant look like nothing happened. Daemon flinched when Rhaenyra threw something at him in Ep 4 but Daemon doesn't flinch when multiple swords are drawn at him. Aemond might be a badass but Daemon is on a far higher level of being a BADASS. To Daemon, none of this stuff surprises him. This O.G. killed at least a dozen people in a span of 90 seconds in Ep 3. This wasn't sparring with Criston. Daemon looked more excited about Syrax's 3 dragon eggs than beheading Vaemond and having swords drawn at him. Where's the "strong boy" in you, Aemond? Poser. 🤣 But he's still a young buck. Remember, Daemon is a man of very few words. Didn't say a single word to Aemond. Matt Smith does a lot of his best acting as Daemon with silence. That's the cleanest beheading you'll ever see with Valyrian steel. Daemon must be awesome playing Fruit Ninja. Hey newbies, you will start realizing why Daemon is GRRM's favorite Targaryen. That's over other legendary Targaryens like Aegon the Conqueror. GRRM ranks Daenerys 2nd fav among GOT characters tied with Arya. Tyrion is his fav in GOT. Like 90% of my top 10 favs are pretty much pricks or killed somebody. 🤣 Daemon, Jaime, Bronn, Tormund, Tyrion, Oberyn, Euron, Drogo, and Aemond (not yet in the show). I like the killers or the brave, fearless warriors. Only Davos is the good one. Davos is just an honorable sailor. He looks like Edward Smith, the captain of the Titanic. The good boy types like Jon Snow don't appeal to me that much. In the book, Rhaenyra ordered Daemon to kill Vaemond who was beheaded and his carcass was fed to Syrax. *Book* *Spoilers* *Ahead* GRRM has said book and TV are canon but they're canon operating in their own universe. Fire & Blood isn't supposed to be accurate. It's a history book about Targs from Aegon I to young Aegon III written by maestors (or unreliable narrators). So the book isn't exactly gospel to how HOT D will unfold. I think GRRM loves Daemon so much, he didn't want to officially kill him. He wants Daemon to sorta live forever. If no final shot in Pentos with Nettles, then I hope Daemon gets the *D.B.* *Cooper* ending. Keep Daemon's death a mystery forever. By never revealing his death, he can live forever in our minds. I think if we see Daemon live at the end, his haters and Green supporters will say, "Well, that POS didn't deserve to live! He ordered for Blood and Cheese!" So I say write it like D.B. Cooper or the three prisoners who escaped from Alcatraz and keep it a mystery. Maybe only give us hints that Daemon remains alive but we never see him. Let our imaginations run wild with it.
I think they don't show anything about vaemons family because his character is changed from the books. He's Corly's nephew, not his brother. The showrunners probably didn't want to change much more by not showing his wife or kids
They say that Alicent is the "Cersei" in this series. But I think Rhaenyra has more in common with Cersei. Her children are bastards, she slept with a family member, and she asserts her position in the world of men. Alicent is more of a "Catelyn Stark" who would do what she thinks is righteous and would do anything to protect her children.
40:03 I don't think Alicent will marry again. She will be the Queen Dowager now, watching over her children as the products of her erstwhile marriage to the late King Viserys. If she were to remarry, she would lose her titles ("Your Grace" et al.), state grants, standing and station, as well as influence at court, all gained from her previous marriage.
the scene where He stumbles and drops his crown and Daemon helps him and puts the crown on his head that was not in the script, It was an accident and they just kept filming and they kept the scene because it ended up being an emotionally powerful moment that they totally improvised.
Might be my favorite episode of a brilliant first season. The throne room scene was one of the best between both series. Viserys' last moments being a happy dinner with the whole family was heartwarming.
thank you for realizing to stop talking about your hate for mid swing edits to listen and watch the Aemond actor steal that scene. some people talked through it!
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Slightly disappointed that you didn't wear black and green this episode lol
@@bryanmcclure2220 Nobody is getting the final scene when Visery is talking about a future vision prophecy that is passed down from King to King, theories say is Brann from the future. Jon Snow Targaryen name is also Aegon, who ended the war of Fire and Ice by killing Dany. That is the Aegon he is referring to but Allicent thinks it is her son Aegon.
Why is alísent the worst she could have the girl killed and she gave her money and a tea for the consequences
He went from dying to super dad for as long as he could when his daughter said she needed him.
viserys is a well written and acted instance of a horrible father and king, who deceives himself that he is well meaning, but really isn't. he is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
@@sitting_nut I disagree, I do think he is well meaning. He wants his family to get along and be friends. He just handles it in a very bad way.
@@darthsampo3022 its difficult to maintain he is well meaning in face of things he does. in this episode he referred to rhaenyra as his "only child". due to viserys covering for them, rhaenyra and her children are not facing consequences for their actions. he was willing to go far beyond law to protect his daughter; overlooking maiming of his own son , killing vaemond like a lawless tyrant so that her son can get his inheritance through fraud, etc..
and foreseeable consequence his actions was a war destructive to his subjects and his house. it was his duty as a well meaning king to prevent that . he didn't do that.
@@sitting_nut lucerys is legally Laenor’s son. Laenor knew perfectly well whats up and he was in on it, and he accepted the boys as his own. You could say he adopted them. As far as I know, an adopted son has the same rights as a natural born one.
Difference in case of Joffrey was that Robert didn’t know he was received, and he would’ve pit Cersei and her children to death.
@@Shuddho1980 you are willfully pretending to be naive and blind, to defend the indefensible. nobody is claiming any adoption or legitimization here. rheynera is literally claiming (in fact perjuring) lucerys to be "true born son" of laenor. how did you miss that straight out fraudulent claim? do explain. that laenor took part in the fraudulent scheme perpetrated on others, so he can benefit, does not make that any less fraudulent . in any case he is legally murdered( as he is actually in book) .
based on facts and law, vaemond was the heir. king and his daughter tyrannically used illegal violence and fraud to murderously grab his inheritance for benefit of her son ( who it should be noted knowingly took part in the fraud ). and to keep on deceiving rest of the realm so that she and her children can continue to be the heirs to the throne.
Daemon helping his brother to the throne pulled at the heartstrings so hard... easily one of my favourite moments of this show so far.
It was a beautiful scene. It showed how Daemon, for all he's done and said up to now, truly did love his brother as much as Viserys loved him. I really liked how Viserys was complaining that he didn't need any help until he realized it was Daemon, and then he just allowed his brother to do help him up the Iron Throne.
@@jmhaces This may be a rumor but apparently that was not planned, Paddy's crown just fell and Matt picked it up and they kept filming it
@@christianwright5813 I heard that too. Again might be a rumor but I love it if that’s true. Life mimicking art.
As bad as daemon can be, there’s some good in there
Same!!
Helena gives me super strong Luna Lovegood vibes and I love it. Especially since Luna's dad is Otto...🤣
Oh No 😭😭😭
I mean luna's dad looks like a Targaryen
That's why he was so proud of her in this scene,
Luna is what happens when an ableist allistic person writes an autistic character. Helaena is what happens when people listen to actual autistic people when portraying autistic characters.
This episode had me in tears 😢
Paddy needs all the awards 👏🏾
King Viserys I may he rest in Peace with Queen Aemma his true love.
*Queen Aemma
@@Drummer4President yes of course
Best entrance of the show where everyone seems to love making an entrance.
@@Johury absolutely
viserys is a well written and acted instance of a horrible father and king, who deceives himself that he is well meaning, but really isn't. he is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
Even though I'm completely Team Black, I have to give Aemond some leeway with his "strong" speech. He was provoked by Luke snickering at him when the pig was put in front of him. Also Jace punched him first. So Aemond didn't really bother me too much this episode. He just comes off as a formerly bullied kid, that just went to the gym a lot lol
OK, but to be fair lucerys is younger and if I were him, I would snicker over a roast suckling pig being set in front of his uncle that they presented with the pink thread. I’m sorry I have two boys I know they would’ve been doing more than just snickering a little bit because that shit is funny to kids and new series is still very much a child in this episode. And I do not give me wrong. Aemond reminds me a lot of Daemon and I love Daemon. And second sons, who feel like they’re better fighters and better rulers, they have a lot in common not to mention the fact that they’re both rather hot looking in their badness it wasn’t Luke’s fault. Luke was the youngest of all of them I get why he’s snickered. I laughed, and I’m a full grown adult woman, but when that pig was set in front of Aemond. I laughed.
Vaemond glimpse at Otto when Viserys entering the Throne room and Otto was liked : "Don't look at me. This is not in the plan and I wasn't expecting it. Prepare for the worst." 🤣
Viserys true loves were Queen Aemma, his brother Daemon and his firstborn and heir Rhaenerya, so sad to see him go but now he is with his first wife and he got a good last day and final memory of his family. Forcing himself to go and support his daughter broke me, he loved her so much 🥺 ❤
I can't stand the way he treats his other children though. I just can't find him likable at all on that basis.
He's a deadbeat.
@@Cayles764 What did he do to his other children exactly? It seems like hes always been there for all his kids.
@@bryanmcclure2220 The bias was quite clear. You never saw Viserys do much with his children nor go to bat for them. Hell, Aemond was literally maimed and he didn't seem to care a whole lot and let the attackers go without even a slap on the wrist. Rhaenyra's children he has gone to bat for multiple times and praised.
@@MrFredstt I wouldn't say he didn't care he did. You could see it in his face he was absolutely Griff stricken To see his child hurt by his grandson. But what could he do exactly what more did you want from him. As he said it's not like he can return the boy's eye.
@@bryanmcclure2220 No he couldn't return Aemond's eye but to let them go without even a stern talking to is crazy. Some form of punishment would have been justified and it would have cooled off Alicent. Alicent goes ballistic because she saw Viserys wasn't going to do anything and viewed it as her children been treated as second class compared to Rhaenyra
After the strong boys comment, If only Jace came back with a "Oh, that's nice of you to SEE that, Uncle."
"glad we can see eye to eye uncle"
@@jeringatai3156 HAHA yup
Jace is smart enough to not push his luck with aemond, aemond would've been even more furious and it would've guaranteed in an assassination of Jace by none other than aemond.
""Strong" boys, uncle? Only in a pig's eye."
Letting ANYONE know about the Laenor thing, even if its Rhaenys, gives one more person the knowledge that her marriage to Daemon is false, their children are false, etc. You absolutely cannot trust Rhaenys or anyone else with that information, even if I personally really wish Rhaenys knew.
Theres also the fact that Rhaenys would no longer mourn Laenor which would be a give away. Her reaction to that burnt body is what sold it.
+ We as the audience know that she doesnt care about the throne, nor hate anyone for it. But Rhaenyra doesnt, she might think saying it would make Rhaenys wants the throne again and compete with her (by telling everyone it's a null wedding and such)
This show is brilliant. (has it's flows but way less than s6,7,8)
yea but she got married in the tradition of valyria so maybe she can have two husbands like Aegon had 2 wives
“He was a good king” - no, he was a good man but sadly a very bad king.😢
Well not a very bad king, there were definitely worse lol but he wasn’t the best
@@tamaragjorevska8822 He was a VERY BAD KING, not the worst yes but still very bad.
He was a very good man, and he was a king who strove for peace. However, I do believe he had very weak moment as a king, but who the hell can be strong all the damn time without being evil hard and mean
He was not a good man or king😂
I get you on the family member holding on. My mother was diagnosed with brain cancer last August and was gone 3 months later to the day. At the end she was basically not there mentally. She didn't talk, was hardly ever awake. This was during a phase of covid where the hospital wouldn't allow more than one visitor at a time until she was a hospice patient. When they let me and my two brothers in, my dad told her we were there, we crowded close, and she opened her eyes wide and looked squarely at each of us. As if she was saying goodbye. Then she hung on a couple of days longer, until my parents' 38th wedding anniversary. I think she held on long enough to hear my dad tell her happy anniversary. She was similar to Viserys in that her family was very important to her and she couldn't stand it when we fought!
Personally I don't think misunderstanding Viserys's dying words decided Alicent's future actions (whatever they may be), I think it was more like she was going to continue with her agenda anyway but Viserys's words helped her to resolve her own internal conflict about it - she can use it to justify things to the world and, more importantly, to herself.
Not really. Allicent never had the ambition for the throne
@@LS13. Now our reactors have finished S1, there are SPOILERS FOR ALL OF SEASON 1 IN THIS COMMENT.
Sure you're right, no throne ambition for herself, but she's long wanted her half of the family to be favoured and in a position of power over Rhaenyra's. She must have considered the events that would occur when Viserys inevitably died and it was no secret she wanted to be favoured in the fallout.
And she's not unfamiliar with power grab plots either - in E8 she was conspiring with Vaemond to usurp Corlys' seat upon his death to place her ally in a position of power and prevent Rhaenyra's son taking that seat.
Let's pretend that Viserys never said anything to Alicent before dying... Otto and the green council were still plotting to install Aegon and would have still succeeded in Rhaenyra's absence from King's Landing. I think Alicent would have still gone along with her father for the sake of her family as long as it didn't involve killing Rhaenyra, as we learn in E9 she objects to. Viserys' final words allowed her to justify what was to come to herself - she wanted to believe it despite it being too good to be true, and it makes a great story to tell to any doubters of the green's cause. Even Aegon knows it's a ridiculous thing to believe that Viserys changed his mind on his deathbed.
@@LS13.For her. But She did everything wrong for her children. That's not justifiable. She can satisfy herself when one around. ☠️
24:20 , Aegon's already married to Helaena and they have kids. In the scene where Alicent slaps Aegon , listen to the dialogue.
Listen to the dialogue is great advice. Wish they'd take it.
Most shows today would have taken Rhaenyra and Alicent toast scenes and given them snarky lines that shoot across the bow. That toast came off as wholesome, sincere, and beautiful. These writers are doing a hell of a job. Great job
Haleena's joke becomes much darker if you consider Aegon's previous act of drunk SA that day. She doesn't enjoy him and he usually only bothers her when drunk.
Reminds me of a Cersei scene from the books where she think on her sex life with Robert. He only came to her instead of prostitutes if he was drunk. She usually could satisfy him by hand but sometimes she reluctantly let him have more.
This scene become funny to me when I realised that my problem with the incest is that they don't have good nice sex. This show makes you have weired takes.
She hates Aegon, but loves Aemond.
Interesting detail. Viersys has previously been a king who was pushed around by his advisors and council. He was consistently cut by the throne. But now that he is being a "strong" ruler in his final hours, the throne no longer cuts him despite his age.
Truth and the absolute beautiful look on his face as horrifying as he looks when Damon and Rhaenyra come into his room, and there are cobwebs on his “warcraft “table. He is so proud of having a baby named after him with the name visarys, he wasn’t as thrilled about naming his firstborn with Allicientn Aegon that did not give him the same look on his face that when his brother and daughter, which is a weird thing to say together named their child after him
King Viserys be like... "I wish I've been tested like other kings.".
You've been tested alright... to the very last breath.
Aemond was pissed when he made that salute to the strong boys because they had servants send that pig to him to be sat right at his seat in reference of the "pink dread" his first dragon. Then Luke the person who cut his eye out is laughing about it in his face. They really did provoke Aemond.
Yep. They provoked Aemond the first time too. The black stans just excuse everything
or they were serving pig anyway and a kid laughs inappropriately. either way, he was waiting for a moment to provoke as well.
@@LaCheeserie So people say Aemond deserves to get maimed because he was a bit rude but Luke doesn't deserve to get ribbed for laughing at Aemond because the pig reminded him of the time they pranked Aemond?
@@MrFredstt there is no use reasoning with the black stans. I'm just going to wait for next season and laugh when they try to justify...
@@havok6280 I wonder if people will be all for the blacks after blood and cheese.
Now Alicent thinks her son Aegon is some wonder-child prodigy lol
The way Daemon cut Vaemond was at an angle that still had Vaemond's tongue attached to his neck.. 🤣 You can see the tongue stick out from the neck like a reptile. Then he looks at Aemond.
HOW COULD YOU ALL REMAIN DRY EYED??? I started crying as soon as I saw Viserys at the beginning, all the way thru to the end. I also thought of my Mom…. 💔💔
Same. I got teary and cried. I'm sorry about your mom
Viserys should have had Daemon as Hand, marry Daemon to Rhaenyra, and he should have married Laena.
The thing I love about this show is that they can make you dislike a character like Vaemon for doing absolutely nothing wrong lol. Like everything he says is true and makes sense. Most of us would do the same thing in his situation 😂
He literally called the heiress a wh*re
@@dreamshakejunya Technically he isn’t
@@dreamshakejunya yeah, technically not
@Dream Shake Junya
Hashing out matters of succession typically doesn't wait until after someone is dead. Ideally, they should be settled before then.
Point still stands, Vaemond didn't do anything wrong. He simply wanted what was rightfully his to inherit and didn't mind being utilized by characters we dislike for their own ends.
You can dress it up however you want, but at the end of the day, Lucaerys *was* a bastard who had no legitimate claim to the Velaryon family estate.
I still enjoyed watching him get his head chopped off, don't get me wrong. But at least I'm cognizant enough to realize that's only because I know that I've been conditioned by the show to be biased towards Rhynaera and her family.
Honestly, I think at a certain point he decided to just die. He must have known he was gonna die after saying bastards so openly, never mind when he called Rhaenyra a whore. Nothing could have saved him from that.
My eyes welled up every time the king was on screen. I’ve seen family shrivel away. I’m about to go to thanks giving dinner hung over at my grandparents house. And my grandparents won’t be there..
I know you mean watching this remind me a lot of my own father's passing.
I understand how that feels too, on my Mum’s last day she basically held on to have all her four children around her. We stood around her bed at the hospital for awhile playing her favourite music. But because of Covid we couldn’t stay all night so we left. But I do believe that she held on long enough to hear all our voices and then passed away not long after we returned home. So I relate to your grandma situation ❤
Aegon is secretly team black, he didn’t want to challenge Rhae. Lol
Its not even a secret. He doesnt want the throne at all and he very clearly didnt want to marry Helaena. He just want to get drunk and have sex. But Alicent is forcing him to be someone he doesnt want to be. And hes clearly suffering for it
I sometimes think Aegon Secretly wishes he was Rhae son, because look how her kids turned out compared to his family, Aliscent didn't know how to raise Targaryen children, she had no understand what it was like, Aemond's obsession with Dragons, halaena Prophecy, and Aegon's lust, Yeah think about the culture he is growing up in, its more more reserved, conservative, shaming ones desires, no one ever taught him how to be with a woman, thats why he thinks he can do as he likes, thats why he has no awareness on how to treat them, no one taught him, he was an emotionally neglected child. Rhaes kids on the other hand seem warmer, a little more delightful, yeah they are bastards, but they are much more well mannered bastards.
@@kmt8825 Lmao true fuck Alicent such a shitty mother who doesn’t know how to raise targaryen children!! I wonder who in their family could have raised them then…. someone who undertands how to raise Targaryen children…. I wonder…
I agree with you he did not want to be king. He tried to hide from even being found, because the boy did not ever want to be king. He just wanted to be his drunk ass go find a girl kind a guy he never asked to be king his grandfather otto and his mother pushed him into that he would’ve been to need to Rhaenyra and she would’ve never put him to the sword but that is not one of his grandfather or his mother wanted.
Rhaenyra boys are phenomenal. They’re respectful they are boys who listen to their mother. They are boys who follow the rules for the most part. I have two boys they’re not perfect however, they are not like allicents ‘s children.
I cried so much this episode....i'm happy Viserys got to spend a nice family dinner at last, and that he was spared from drama in his last moments😢
Omg the James and Sirius comparison just added another layer to why I love those Strong Boys 🤣❤️
Love how you started with a cheerful and lighthearted Established Titles skit (absolutely loved it btw) and I felt like "oh boy... they're not ready..."
I have mixed fellings about stuff like Established Titles.
The land purchase is to small to register, and the title is not recognised by the King of Arms of Scotland. Official titles are not conferred to people without residence in Scotland.
So all you are buying is a souvenir diploma.
But if the buyer does not understand that in advance, they deserve being taken for a ride.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Boy, you missed that one...Established Titles isn't about acquisition of land or the actual giving of titles. It's sole purpose is to raise funds for the preservation of land, tree planting etc. It just does so with a novel reward for the donors. Therefore, no-one is being "taken for a ride".
@@Perry_Wolf Sure, and RAIDS: shadow legends is actually a fun game🤣
Regarding New Gods vs Old Gods, beside the North only a few remote locations in the South (and the Blackwoods, which we saw when the kid tried to marry Rhaenyra) follow the Old Gods according to the books.
Oldtown is indeed the oldest town in Westeros, and is older than the Faith of the Seven, as are the Maesters who study there, so they used to follow the Old Gods, but are now the seat of the New Gods (the giant Sept from GoT isn't built yet, so the High Septon is in Oldtown rather than King's Landing) - this is why the Hightowers are both an ancient house related to First Men institutions like the Maester, but also deeply religious and connected to the Faith of the Seven.
Man that Velaryon theme is so epic lol but then you hear Viserys theme as he walks in my God! Chills all over my body. Ramin Djawadi is the incredible 🔥🔥🔥
Everyone says the Queen is the evil one but I ask, what wrong has she truly done thus far? Has she lied, killed anyone? Has she treated the King badly? All she wants is her son to be King. On the other hand Daemon has murdered and done many terrible things. Rhaenerya has lied about her sons being her former husbands and she was complicit in the murder of an innocent man. So again, who really is worse. The Queen or Rhaenerya?
She killed Lyonel Strong and Harwin Strong by proxy probaly laid with king Viserys before they were married seduced her best and only friend's father and lied about it.
The other shoe to drop during the dinner scene is the realization that while the adults might be willing to make peace, their actions and rivalries have infected their children and the next generation. That even in some hypothetical land, if Alicant and Rheynear did make peace, their children would continue the feud and clearly hate each other.
It was said that Alicent really began to embrace the Faith of the Seven after that incident where she ended up cutting Rhaenyra with the dagger. She was very concerned that people would think she acted very erratically. So you can either interpret it as a way for her to put up a pious front, or that she was actually embracing the faith on a deeper level because of what happened. That earlier scene with her and Rhaenyra praying was in a Sept of the Seven. They were praying in front of a statue of the Mother. So Alicent was a practitioner of that religion for most of her life. I thought that one of the interesting things in that early episode was how Rhaenyra was not very comfortable or familiar with praying, even though the Faith of the Seven is the official religion of the state. So you would have thought that she would have been brought up with those traditions. The Targaryens officially adopted that religion when they first took the Iron Throne. But that doesn’t mean that the family actually kept the religion. Daemon and Rhaenyra’s wedding, as well as all their speaking in Valyrian show how much they are attached to their heritage. And the Valyrian’s had a religion with a large pantheon of gods.
What I love about this show so much is so much that is unsaid is ten times louder than what is actually being said. It’s beautiful
The fact that in his dying moments he's still thinking about Aemma just kills me. So heartbreaking.
I think Alicent and her family always wanted to put Aegon on the throne but considering Alicent is very religious, she only needed that last confirmation to go ahead. So its not that she misunderstood the prophecy but rather that it confirmed it for her that it was the right thing to do.
It’s funny when people don’t correlate Aegon’s actions being protected by his royal parent with Rhaenyra also being covered up by her royal parent. Your modern sensibilities don’t allow you to see they are both entitled. Just Rhaenyra’s royal parent is divided by his love for both sides of his family. Alicent not so much (beyond Viserys and occasionally Rhaenyra).
Facts. You can add in Daemon as well. He has literally gotten away with multiple murders.
viserys is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
@@sitting_nut 100% agree, there is no defense for him. 8 episodes, he did not spoke a single word about his subjects, is all about his descendents and keeping power for his house. His kids are even worse, they all deserve what is coming
Well true, but royal parents protecting rape is much different than the what Rhaenyra is protected for. There’s levels to it but you’re definitely right.
@@TheJordanK I believe murder is just as horrible as rape.
32:07 : "I understand, my King" ; it may be that Alicent DOES eventually understand that Viserys has mistaken her for Rhaenyra but is consciously choosing to take his words as meant for her. I swear I could see that devious train of thought play across Olivia Cooke's face in that moment ,31:56, as Alicent goes from confusion to realisation. She doesn't end the scene still looking confused. Or maybe it's just me who's devious!
Your right. He was not in his right mind and thought that he was speaking to Rhaenyra. This bloody civil war will start over a misunderstanding....which is a tragedy.
no, She literally thinks viserys is talking about their son. Thats how the official scrip for the episode is written
@@easyislander Maybe so, but a disappointingly simplistic dramatic device if true.
She’s devious
I genuinely don't understand how so many people misinterpret that scene with Alicent and Dyana. Alicent isn't threatening her, she's telling her that she, as a mere serving girl, cannot go around accusing a Targaryen prince of being a rapist. Something like that could get her killed or worse. She gave Dyana moon tea because giving birth to a Targaryen bastard would, while a threat to Alicent's children should Aegon take the throne, would also absolutely make Dyana a target. People seem to have this idea that Alicent is some kind of Cersei-lite which she isn't.
Alicent is defined by internal conflict. She wants to be a good person, to be a dutiful Queen and daughter. Being a good person means she ought to reconcile with her extended family. She's pulled in the opposite direction by her family by birth and she has been since she married Viserys. People are quick to forget that Alicent was on Rhaenyra's side and chose her over her father right up till she found out Rhaenyra swore on her dead mother and lied to her face. Her feelings on Rhaenyra were justified by Rhaenyra blatantly having bastard children with her sworn sword and passing them off as trueborn. Now her internal conflict is staying true to the values that she ended her relationship with Rhaenyra over while having to acknowledge that her eldest son is in every way worse than what she assumed Rhaenyra would be. Anybody with eyes can see that Aegon is her least favourite child.
Anybody with eyes can also tell that while she's still very much angry at Rhaenyra, Alicent is still conflicted by her. Hell, she was actually willing to reconcile with her after everything. If Alicent and Rhaenyra had a single heart to heart at any point, she likely would have reconciled with Rhaenyra years ago. Obviously the civil war would have likely still kicked off since it was far more complicated than Alicent's feelings on the matter but still. If Alicent were exactly as she was in the book then I'd understand all the hate she gets but Alicent in the show is genuinely more sympathetic and understandable than her book counterpart ever was.
A great moment in this episode was improvised. Viserys' crown fell off, and they didn't stop filming as Matt Smith picked it up and put it on Paddy Considine's head. I'm glad they kept that take.
Alicent is not a villain, she has never been villain. You can easily see that if u REALLY analyze her objectively. Even Rhaenyra accepted that she cared the king so much in this episode.
Nope shes very clearly the villain. Sadly shes also being manipulated by Otto. Alicent is forcing Aegon to go for the throne despite Aegon claiming he doesnt want it. Alicent forced Helaena to marry Aegon despite Aegon clearly not wanting to marry Helaena and Helaena not enjoying marriage. She went out of her way to stir shit with Rhaenyra all because Rhaenyra had sex without being married. She also attacked a child with a knife.
@@jeringatai3156 nope, u just want to see her as a villain. U r delusional, get a therapy maybe
@@jeringatai3156 it doesn't matter what he wants in that world, Aegon is the rightful heir as a firstborn son of the king.
Hah she’s a villain too cmon. Calling others delusional and need therapy but at the same time telling others to look at her choices objectively…coo coo.
@@jeringatai3156every person in this is a terrible human being lol even rhaenyra. This entire story is just antagonists
Fun fact: The crown falling off was an accident. Matt Smith picked it up and he and Paddy kept the scene going. They kept it in obviously.
I thought so. Interesting.
Can you send the link where it says this?
That was a very powerful scene. This entire episode was riveting and so dramatic. It still give me goosebumps till this day.
It was a very good way of showing how his power is fading away to be honest. I thought it was intentional
“As we were filming this, the crown fell off Paddy's head and Matt picked it up and we continued. We didn't stop filming”, revealed director Geeta Patel
There are disadvantages if Alicent's and Raehnyra's sons sharing the same name.
It is very unfortunate that Alicent now really believes that she has the king's consent to ascend the throne herself. Or at least that she believes she is part of the prophecy on which the future of the house depends. This means that she has to have Raehnyra and her sons eliminated, because officially the king gave her the support again. There is no other way. And she believes that this is exactly what the king has unofficially given his consent to. Middlefinger Strong and his assassins will probably be used again for this.
Btw. Deamon has found matching 3 dragon eggs. Could this be Dany's Dragons from Game of Thrones? The eggs that took so long to finally hatch.
Nah, those eggs will be for Daemons kids of course, that's why he was so excited. They'll hatch during HOTD and be ridden by Rhaenya (his daughter with Laena with no dragon) and Aegon & Viserys (his two sons with Rhaenyra). These eggs came from Cyrax (Rhaenyra dragon), Dany's eggs in GOT came from a different dragon.
@@jamesw7072 okay
I thought those eggs were for Aegon III, Viserys II and the baby bump
its ironic that alicant dispises ryneera for getting way with things, but is now forced to deal with her son doing the exact same thing
Worse things
She's hypocrite just like any religious people in real world. Look at how big the 7 pointy star necklace she wearing lmao
At least she actually slaps the shit out of him when he fucks up though. Nothing has ever been done to Rhaenyra.
Alicent is covering up her kid's crimes while wearing a massive Seven Pointed Star. Do the septons take confession?
I wouldn’t say “the exact same thing” given what Aegon did was assault but your broader observation is a good one. True.
Viserys took more of that milk of the poppy that he thought he was talking to Rhaenyra who also has a son named Aegon. Just want to say Vhagar got over Laena real fast to let Aemond claim her.
actually he was referring to Aegon the conqueror, about his prophecy being real
At around 40:00 ish, Targaryens never marry parent to child, it’s the one line they don’t cross. Even Rhaneyra marrying Daemon is consider controversial for Targs because they usually incestuously marry within a generation (brothers to sisters) not cross-generationally. Ironically tho, the Northern Houses would have less issue with it because the Starks married uncle to niece twice in their history. They also have female matriarchs of Houses on occasion.
Helaena's toast sent me. And Aegon had nothing to say.
This was THE best episode in the season so far, there is not a single scene I didn't enjoy, and the the scene with the dinner, and the happy music fading into this kind of melancholy "good-bye" sounding music was just so good. Chef's kiss episode
And now the DANCE begins 💯😈 Also this show is the best show on 📺 by a country mile because it has a perfect balance of casting and writing. It's basically peak GOT for me at this point and IMO it will surpass the main show because I have always liked the DANCE story better than the main story.
P.S I like the Blackfyre story better than the main one as well.
*Three* *Overlooked* *Scenes*
When Daemon discovered Syrax laid 3 eggs. Have you ever seen Daemon so excited and smiling so big before? One of the eggs will hatch and become Morning, Rhaena's dragon.
The moment Daemon discovered about the maester conspiracy which is way too late by this point. He smelled the cup filled with milk of the poppy. Understand that this is only the 3rd time Daemon has returned to King's Landing after *20* years. He returned when he seduced Rhaenyra and then when he invited himself to her wedding. The milk of poppy is basically like morphine to keep Viserys sedated but he can no longer think straight which puts the Hightowers making decisions on the throne.
Viserys had a hard time recognizing Daemon and Rhaenyra on their arrival. Daemon calls out Alicent on this. Then Rhaenyra asked Alicent who will be the one who will give judgement to Lucerys' inheritance? Alicent said that would be her and her father. Viserys showing up was important as this saves Lucerys' claim for Driftmark. Alicent no longer had authority over it.
The scene with Mysaria. This is the one I didn't understand at first because I didn't know that was Alicent's servant girl, Talya, who gave the moon tea for Dyana (Aegon's rape victim). When you see someone wear a hoodie, you obviously think of Daemon or maybe Aemond. But it's Talya. I thought this would be the scene to poison Viserys but it wasn't. Viserys sorta died on his own. But this scene is important because it means Mysaria has a spy in the Red Keep.
*Book Spoilers*
Mysaria plays a role with Blood and Cheese and is a major ally to Rhaenyra during the war. So big, Rhaenyra let's Daemon sleep with Mysaria every night.
What is the story behind the woman that Daemon was with before that appeared in this episode, it seems like her spy is going to tell her about what happened with Aegon. Do we know who's side she is on at the moment?
I don't want book spoilers I just need to know if I missed something.
I believe the show established that Viserys was in incredible pain and palliative care was necessary. Keeping him on milk of the poppy was not merelyto keep his wits addled, but that was a convenient side effect.
With the way the story has gone in the show, especially with how the book Daemon and Rhaenyra weren’t really that in love compared to soulmates in the show, definitely don’t see them going open relationship for Mysaria and Daemon to sleep together, esp cos they make Daemon like be really dismissive of Mysaria even before he married Rhaenyra.
Love and lust are separated thing in Westerosi society, there's so many bastards . Even from a man that seem faithful and loveable husband, like Corolys Valeryon. 😁
Mad Respect for King Viserys! and Paddy you are awesome!
Vaymond wanting to cut himself to show Rheanyra his blood was a metaphor and not literal. How did you guys not get that?
Well the next time Rhaenera enters Kings landing, she will be on her dragons back
45:56 They were praying at a Faith of a Seven sept dedicated to the Mother aspect.
Thank you for sharing the story about your grandma because that is often the case they don’t want to die alone they want to die with their family for my grandpa. He very much needed to know we were all going to be OK. We would all look after each other, and that we were OK if he went. My grandma was the same way. She very much wanted to know that her kids were around her and that they had all our back‘s because she wasn’t there to watch us. So I appreciate you sharing the story. I actually broke down in tears during this episode because it reminded me of that but listening to you talk about it made me cry again good in a good way so thank you.
@27:40 I love that Helaena doesn’t understand the “strong” insult and is happily clapping to Aemond’s toast
The servant who brought the tea to that girl was the one near the end of the episode who went to Mysria with the information.
God the actor playing Aemond is so different from his character in “the last kingdom” lol
I missed any issues with editing mid swing, but I had to watch it back to catch that. not really an issue for me, but these scenes probably take hours and they are just going for the best they can get. Most actors aren't going Tom Cruise with real weapons and all
Not only were Paddy's visual effects outstanding for his decline in health, but his acting was so convincing I'm scared that might just bury that man IRL.
Vaemond saw his opportunity slip away when Viserys showed up, so I think he decided he was going to have the truth stated plainly in public. From Vaemond's point of view House Targaryen has just conspired to softly take over House Velaryon. Everyone else who has a say is Targaryen by blood or by name. He suspects that Daemon and Rhaenyra did Laenor in (and he is not entirely wrong about that either, they did have the identity of Laenor Velaryon destroyed). Saying that Laenor's supposed sons are bastards is measure of revenge for what has been done v to his family.
This has been very effective storytelling which has elevated the source material, and all the cast are putting in excellent performances. Bravo to Paddy C. for his Viserys.
"Then the storm broke and the dragons danced."
It's astounding how good this show is!
I have worked with dying people quite few years and I can certainly recognize the phenomenon you describe at the end. Some people have obligations or attachments that keep them going even when they are closing to death. One of the blissful things about the job is to try to see where you can find to help them to find peace at the end. Some want to have childhood food or familiar taste or flavour from the past (we have drove around bakeries and special shops to get exact things they have requested). Some want family to be there. Couple times we have moved the beds outside for couple sun loving patients to enjoy the sun and smell the barbeque one of families was making for the whole unit.
Aegon isn't betrothed to his sister. He's married to his sister. And they have at least two kids.
How do you know? I didn't see any bloodline indicating that in the intro, and it was definitely not mentioned in the episode.
@@hoon_sol helaena says “have you seen dyana she was supposed to dress the kids” and alicent says “what about your wife” to aegon. Then helaena talks in the dinner scene about here marriage to aegon and him ignoring her.
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You're right. I missed that. My mistake. I knew they were married from the dinner scene, but didn't catch her mentioning "the kids", which implies she's talking about her own.
THAT BRONZE SHIRT OR DRESS.
MAGNIFICENT.
I WISH YOU BOTH GOOD FORTUNE IN THE WARS TO COME.
What a great show. I'm going to miss the king. I never thought I would cry when he showed up for the sake of his daughter. It was like his last march and it was glorious.
I have to say that is better than GoT. It's full of tension, suspense and emotion that takes me on a rollercoaster ride of emotion. Farewell King Viserys. May you rest in peace.
The scene where the viserys is approaching the throne and his crown falls off and daemon picks it up and helps his brother to the throne. My understanding is that where is all unscripted it happened and it looks so amazing they kept it in and it is the scene that made me cry during this episode because it showed how much the brothers loved each other, and regardless of all the political bullshit
Alicent was praying to the seven. I dont think you pray to the old gods in the sept. I mean its called the SEPT. People who pray to the old gods do so at the god wood.
In the books there is no such misinterpreted conversation with alicet, she was always Power hungry. But I think because of the romanticization they're doing on the character, it's better to just be misinterpretation
I actually like the change. Martin did he say he felt he was a bit too biased towards team black
There's nothing wrong with it, the book was written like a history book and history are written by the winner. King Aegon III are team black, of course the writers would bias toward team black 😁
@@thomasjuniardi3559 for me the book was written by people who were definitely in favor of fighting hahahaha because it didn't really value anyone, except men as usual
If you become convinced of something by the drug addled ramblings of your dying husband, it is something you wanted to be convinced of.
Facts 👏👏👏 say it louder for the brainwashed greens stand 🤣
21:40 Good episode. Paddy Considine and Matt Smith should get BAFTA nomination for their performances as Viserys and Daemon Targaryen. It was heart-wrenching seeing Viserys sick, frail and dying. RIP King Viserys Targaryen.
12:00 why is he a monster here? He had done nothing wrong yet. Dude was bullied by his brother and nephews as a kid for not having a dragon and when he claims one(which he had all the right to do) he got ambushed by four children and then lost an eye💀 if we really think it through the "monsters" would be the other children
To answer, these characters are in their final forms.
Veamon was not talking about the color of his blood he was speaking on his family blood line. They are the oldest family.
Totally get that, he's being poetic, but in fantasy you never know? Maybe they have golden blood?!?
@@NerdyNightly he was also throwing shade at Rhaenyra saying she doesn't know Velaryon blood because her kids are bastards.
Back in the past they used to say that a nobles have a blue blood, ofcourse not literally and bastards are not nobles by default so...
Alicent follows the 7. They pray to the Mother as kids, which is one of the 7. It's interesting because Alicent had Aegon marry Helaena, and that's a big no no in the faith of the 7.
Viserys was not a great King, but he was a great Father. He stood by Rhaenyra until the very end.
Aemond will defo add spice to the remainder of the season but I'm team Daemon all the wayRhaenys slayed her part of the game , while Vaemond vehemently doomed himself by not playing it.
Vaemond spoke the truth but like Ned Stark didn't know that the truth isn't rewarded in King's Landing.
"but I'm team wife killer all the way"
@@ThatGuy-eu2vt good one
“Alicent: the king told me that Aegon must be king”
“Rhaenyra: Alicent do you really believe that he was talking about your son Aegon, and not my son Aegon?!”
“Alicent-…….you right you right”
Except the fact that Allicent thought viserys was talking to her, since only she was there when he spoke, not Rhaenyra, so your comment remains invalid
@@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08 no it doesn’t because not only did Rhaenyra talk to viserys before that but Rhaenyra knows about the prophecy and Alicent doesn’t, Alicent is all around missinformed the dagger has the prophecy written in its blade and is proof that Rhaenyra isn’t lying.
Vaemond mentioning his blood was not being literal, just emphasizing the point of the kids not being Velaryon,
I think they know that lol just being sarcastic
Vaemond was probably hoping for an arrest and a trial by combat, which would allow him to prove before the Gods that Jace, Luke, and Joffrey are bastards. And if you think about it, he was just refusing to compromise, similar to Stannis, about allowing unrelated bastards steal his family’s throne.
Speaking of #PROPHECY did anyone else catch the prophecy that was whispered by Helaena Targaryen (bug loving girl) at the dinner table?
Just before she stands to give her toast she whispers "BEWARE THE BEAST BENEATH THE BOARDS"🤔... She already predicted someone losing his eye (Viserys or Aemond) when she said to her bugs, "he will have to close an eye" l wonder what the new prophecy means... anyone got a clue?
2 contendors, blood and cheese(book thing, don't ask its a huge spoiler and don't reach it either{if you want small amount of information I'll give you some though ) and the fact that Alicent and Otto seem all cool on the face of it but are actually beasts aka being 2 faced
@@marwanali4878 thank you so much for that clue l appreciate you not spoiling it as well.
Vaemond has to be in the “when keeping it real goes wrong” hall of fame
so true!
Viserys walking to the throne gave me strong Men Of Honor vibes 😂😂😂😂
Otto: “Nine! The Navy Diver is not a fighting man, he is a salvage expert. Ten! If it is lost underwater, he finds it. If it's sunk, he brings it up. If it's in the way, he moves it. Eleven! If he's lucky, he will die young, 200 feet beneath the waves, for that is the closest he'll ever get to being a hero. Hell, I don't know why anybody would want to be a Navy Diver. Now you report to this line, Cookie!”
Even if Visarys died walking to the throne, it wouldn't matter, Rhaynera is next in line and she is right there. She would reconfirm her son as the next Lord of the Tides.
The old gods would be at the Trees.
The way this show is written and all the actors just killing it, to me this show is better then game of thrones.
Give Paddy the emmy already! Such an amazing performance from him
*DAEMON* *IS* *STILL* *THE* *BADASS* *KING* 👑
*DAEMON* *STOLE* *THIS* *EPISODE.* I thought it would be AEMOND and he looked cool. But when Daemon sliced Vaemond's head, Aemond had all kinds of emotions running in his head. Then when Daemon walked up to Aemond, his nephew knew what's up and walked away. Aemond doesn't want Daemon's smoke even after trying to shame Jace and Luke. 🤣
This episode showed that Daemon is still the biggest BADASS in the show and Aemond is the young pup trying to be like him. It's like Aemond is Kobe and LeBron worshipping MJ 🐐 as kids. We also saw the most compassion from Daemon in this episode by seeing the pain in his face seeing his brother like that. Helping Viserys walk up his throne and putting the crown on him. This was compassionate, caring Daemon at his best.
This is where I believe Daemon will always be higher than Aemond on my favorite list. Because Daemon has a HEART. You can be a BADASS but if you don't have a heart and compassion, it's harder for viewers to care about that character. You don't want to be a badass but also a cold, heartless monster. This is the difference I see from Daemon vs. Aemond. Daemon has that heart in him the way we saw in Jaime when trying to save Brienne from a gang rape.
Daemon cares about others and Aemond seems unfriendly and spiteful. Aemond may look like a badass but Daemon is already a certified badass while still charming and funny. Seeing Daemon and Aemond standing face-to-face is foreshadowing of the main event later down the line. The O.G. vs. Young G. Bravo to Paddy Considine. He will truly be missed. My MVP in terms of acting from Ep 1 through 8. With Viserys dead, let the Dance begin. Let the 💩 hit the fan.
My favorite moment: After Vaemond calls Rhaenyra a whore, Viserys stands up and says, "I will have your tongue for that." Daemon slices Vaemond's head from behind and then says, "He can keep his tongue." Then Otto yells, "DISARM HIM!” The cool part is when the knights drew their swords, Daemon being the GANGSTA that he is looks totally nonchalant and is cleaning the dripping blood from Dark Sister while looking directly at Aemond who looks impressed. Then the scene when Daemon chuckles when Aemond walked away from the dinner scene.
I believe this is only the 2nd time in 16 years that Daemon and Aemond have ever met. Technically, 15 years. Aemond wasn't born yet when Rhaenyra wed Laenor. The first time was in Driftmark. For folks who like the Jon Snow/Robb Stark good boy types, watch out for Jace. I swear, my boy Daemon and my boy Bronn would've been best friends if they lived in the same era. "You don't fight with honor!” "No. He did"... "He can keep his tongue." Then a nonchalant look like nothing happened.
Daemon flinched when Rhaenyra threw something at him in Ep 4 but Daemon doesn't flinch when multiple swords are drawn at him. Aemond might be a badass but Daemon is on a far higher level of being a BADASS. To Daemon, none of this stuff surprises him. This O.G. killed at least a dozen people in a span of 90 seconds in Ep 3. This wasn't sparring with Criston. Daemon looked more excited about Syrax's 3 dragon eggs than beheading Vaemond and having swords drawn at him.
Where's the "strong boy" in you, Aemond? Poser. 🤣 But he's still a young buck. Remember, Daemon is a man of very few words. Didn't say a single word to Aemond. Matt Smith does a lot of his best acting as Daemon with silence. That's the cleanest beheading you'll ever see with Valyrian steel. Daemon must be awesome playing Fruit Ninja. Hey newbies, you will start realizing why Daemon is GRRM's favorite Targaryen. That's over other legendary Targaryens like Aegon the Conqueror. GRRM ranks Daenerys 2nd fav among GOT characters tied with Arya. Tyrion is his fav in GOT.
Like 90% of my top 10 favs are pretty much pricks or killed somebody. 🤣 Daemon, Jaime, Bronn, Tormund, Tyrion, Oberyn, Euron, Drogo, and Aemond (not yet in the show). I like the killers or the brave, fearless warriors. Only Davos is the good one. Davos is just an honorable sailor. He looks like Edward Smith, the captain of the Titanic. The good boy types like Jon Snow don't appeal to me that much. In the book, Rhaenyra ordered Daemon to kill Vaemond who was beheaded and his carcass was fed to Syrax.
*Book* *Spoilers* *Ahead*
GRRM has said book and TV are canon but they're canon operating in their own universe. Fire & Blood isn't supposed to be accurate. It's a history book about Targs from Aegon I to young Aegon III written by maestors (or unreliable narrators). So the book isn't exactly gospel to how HOT D will unfold. I think GRRM loves Daemon so much, he didn't want to officially kill him. He wants Daemon to sorta live forever. If no final shot in Pentos with Nettles, then I hope Daemon gets the *D.B.* *Cooper* ending.
Keep Daemon's death a mystery forever. By never revealing his death, he can live forever in our minds. I think if we see Daemon live at the end, his haters and Green supporters will say, "Well, that POS didn't deserve to live! He ordered for Blood and Cheese!" So I say write it like D.B. Cooper or the three prisoners who escaped from Alcatraz and keep it a mystery. Maybe only give us hints that Daemon remains alive but we never see him. Let our imaginations run wild with it.
I love that Vicerys had an epic kingly moment before the end.
I think they don't show anything about vaemons family because his character is changed from the books. He's Corly's nephew, not his brother. The showrunners probably didn't want to change much more by not showing his wife or kids
I’m pretty sure the tea Allicent gave the girl was just the same tea given to Rhaenyra. Just to ensure no “bastard” was produced.
Moon tea
Anyone else gigged early in the reaction when they talked about family dinner in Kings Landing?
They say that Alicent is the "Cersei" in this series. But I think Rhaenyra has more in common with Cersei. Her children are bastards, she slept with a family member, and she asserts her position in the world of men. Alicent is more of a "Catelyn Stark" who would do what she thinks is righteous and would do anything to protect her children.
That might be the first time I didn't skip the ad....that was funny. Lol
40:03 I don't think Alicent will marry again. She will be the Queen Dowager now, watching over her children as the products of her erstwhile marriage to the late King Viserys. If she were to remarry, she would lose her titles ("Your Grace" et al.), state grants, standing and station, as well as influence at court, all gained from her previous marriage.
the scene where He stumbles and drops his crown and Daemon helps him and puts the crown on his head that was not in the script, It was an accident and they just kept filming and they kept the scene because it ended up being an emotionally powerful moment that they totally improvised.
Might be my favorite episode of a brilliant first season. The throne room scene was one of the best between both series. Viserys' last moments being a happy dinner with the whole family was heartwarming.
thank you for realizing to stop talking about your hate for mid swing edits to listen and watch the Aemond actor steal that scene. some people talked through it!