lol and the funniest part is that removing yet another MLM has far more positive impact on lower ranked partners and society in general, than it has a negative impact on the 1% of ppl in the pyramid able to make a living off of it. She only thinks it’s devil’s work because she’s negatively impacted by it. If the government bans MLMs for the sake of all the people who suffer because of it, are they the devil too?
The irony of the woman putting her husband through seminary to become a pastor with money she got from taking advantage of other people… 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I think 10 years ago people really did not understand just how dangerous mlms can be and I think we can all be proud. There's been enough information circulating that a lot of people have wised up to business opportunities, often being just an opportunity to lose money and then someone at the top of the pyramid to profit off of that
Exactly!! And if it still sold well he wouldn't care even half of an iota about that stigma. He's a snake oil salesman trying to sell that prioritizing his profit is the morally right thing to do.
I interpreted that 20,000 as being all the customers her entire team serves. Even if the customers stayed with their original coach I imagine the vast majority of the 20k were multiple levels (heehee) removed from her.
I don’t feel bad for them. As a former BB Coach (2015-2017), these people were not leaders; they were abusers. They constantly pushed, berated, insulted, and told us we were lazy. They did not care about us; they cared about themselves and how much money we put in THEIR wallet. I resigned shortly after I let my Shakeology auto-ship lapse. My upline’s upline called me (yup, my uplines UPLINE) to demean me because, apparently, my decision to prioritize paying my bills caused an entire MLM ladder of PREDATORS to lose their diamond and star diamond ranks. I do not feel bad for these people. Not even a little bit. KARMA ❤🎉
What made me sick about that first woman was her saying that she got the ick from Carl lying to her, saying she felt duped or whatever. Meanwhile she fails to realize she’s been doing the EXACT SAME THING to her downline the whole time. They tell you you’ll get rich off of selling product when it’s a complete lie, then you get trapped in a system where you have to recruit which may not be what you signed up for.
The fact that their entire ‘business’ was such a house of cards that a *single person leaving* warrants this sort of reaction speaks volumes. Glad you got out
My tiny violin is around here somewhere but I'm having a hard time finding the motivation to look for it. So until I find it, I can only extend concepts of sorrows and prayers.
I'm so here for every single one of these companies to go down. I was wrapped into MLM's in my early twenties and for the next few years I wracked up 20k in debt because we "has to travel to every single training, or we wouldn't be successful" (4 trainings a year across the country, so airline tickets, hotels, tickets, etc). My husband and were never successful because we wouldn't be the type of people the successful ones had to be. We refused to guilt and manipulate people in a tough spot to get them to sign up. Thankfully, we woke up, got out, apologized to our friends and family for being annoying lol (they forgave us) and have finally paid off all that debt. I got to be a part of a Time magazine interview against MLM's after and I'm happy to report my previous company went down. I believe it was purchased and rebranded, but the damage was done.
I think what really rubs me the wrong way with the big income ladies crying like that, is that they were fine with other women in their downline probably crying like this every single day while trying to work this business and not making a dime. They probably never gave them a thought as long as they were making money off of them. So yes, it's hard to feel THAT bad for them honestly.
Yes I agree, they did the same to so many people and now they're reaping what they sew. They defended the MLM so hard and we're "business owners" people tried to tell them.
OK, so, this is weird because I'm a researcher and I just used BODI as a case study for a certain project in my company and now they're going down right in front of my eyes while I'm still working on that project! It's crazy. Side note: This year alone, I've seen so many MLMs going under and can't be happier lmao
@@1violalass Thanks! It doesn't hurt my research, but definitely has forced me to study its business model and learn the insights of what happened more thoroughly. I enjoy the process though, so no losses there.
I won't be surprised if Bodi changes back to the MLM structure now (with some changes to benefit CEO and higher ups, of course) that the anti-regulation party won the election and have control of all parts of the federal government. It's gonna be a free-for-all for MLMs and all sorts of other scams.
Huns all along: it’s no different than affiliate marketing Skip to huns panicking about their income loss when it switches to actual affiliate marketing It’s almost like selling the product is less lucrative than selling the recruiting dream
So that one partner’s husband is a financial advisor and thought it would be a good idea for their family of 6 to depend fully on her very variable unstable source of income?? Not a good advisor if you ask me.
@@annea.4173Right? I thought it was common sense that the very least thing you should do if you can is put enough money aside for a situation like this, better, invest something. I just don’t get it.
wasn't he also studying to be a pastor? Or was that another partner? You wouldn't think pastor's make that much. I've never seen it. But I'm also not from the US and every church I've been in did not adhere to the prosperity gospel (which is a US American concept anyway, as far as I know. I'd never even heard about it until like 2020, so my mid to late 20s).
@@annea.4173 they probably didn't! They might have been living above their means especially from what we have heard about MLMs selling more of a dream lifestyle then fantasy. When I watched the documentary on LulaRoe, it was amazing how much those reps had to spend in order to show how good of a company LLR was.
I’m a Christian and it is taking every ounce of strength in me to not to slam my head on my desk while listening to this girl blame the devil for the change. GIRL NO!!!
I don't think God would approve of these scummy MLMs. Its ridiculous how many of these reps try to use Christianity to manipulate people. Jesus didn't sign people up for scams, in fact him flipping tables of money changers tells me he'd strongly disapprove of MLMs
I would love to see someone do a sociological study of the intersection between evangelical Christians, MLM huns, and trad wives. It just seems to me (full disclosure, I'm an atheist) that the vast majority of the MLM huns that are featured constantly talk about God's plan and he'll work things out , and the talk that's used by them to describe their MLM teams sounds a lot like the same phrases used when they talk about their religion and their church. When they talk about how sad they are about losing their teams, they sound a lot like people sound when they talk about how sad they are when a church member is kicked out for whatever transgression. And then they talk about their doubts and red flags but they ignored them, which sounds a lot like gaslighting yourself into thinking your pastor is a good guy when multiple women accuse him of abuse. And then when they can't deny it anymore, they jump churches/MLM's because "this one is the real thing". And the trad wife thing comes in where I don't think they really want to be trad wives but this is as close they can get to having an actual job.
YES when u leave a MLM the "Best Friends/Team/Family" you had are GONE! When I gave up my director position because I hated recruiting and just wanted to sell, my Director stopped returning my calls even as I tried to continue selling.
- married to a financial advisor - is in a pyramid scheme - wow - WOW. Omg the one lady said "increasing their faith" like it's quantifiable. "Oh man I'm feeling blue lately, I'm only at 3 Faith"
@@hollyputnat oh yeah Primerica "interviewed" me in 2012 🙄 my workplace closed for 18 months and we were laid off. Turns out my boss's husband was a Primerica upline. I'm glad he didn't call me back.
Bc financial advisors suck and are people that couldn’t make in actual investment finance so went to wealth management. That’s why we all make fun of them (we as in people in actual in Investment finance like Investment banking, Mergers and Acquisitions, Leveraged Financing, Private Equity, Etc.)
My best friend still has food trauma and battles and disordered eating after her involvement with Beach Body. No longer being an mlm doesn't magically fix that for her. I will still never recommend or give my money to this company.
Very true- unfortunately people can become just as obsessed with being “healthy” as they can with losing or staying at a certain weight. I find Bodi moving towards a mission statement based on health has the same energy as a fatphobic person defending their stance by stating “I’m just worried about fat peoples’ health”
@@gooseberries608 Yeah, I've noticed that too. Like, I understand why it's generally a good idea. Making lifestyle changes to improve your own health? Recognizing you need a change? Good for you! But when was the last time you were genuinely invested in the health of a stranger's lifestyle? Usually, unsolicited "health" advice is just an excuse for these people to judge someone else's appearance and feel superior for a few seconds before the deep-seated emptiness settles back in.
35:51 the only way to make it profitable in my opinion is to drop the price to a compete in the market and put it on shelves. Then people will buy it not really even knowing that it was ever an MLM and if it's as fantastic as they've always claimed they will have recurring customers.
Here’s the thing, they aren’t taking away your ability to mentor and build a team, you can still do those things! You just don’t want to because you are looking out for your paycheck, not the wellbeing of others.
Yes!! All of those videos of reps saying they do this because it’s what they love, not about the paycheck. Let’s see if those daily team calls keep up without the financial incentive
38:23 So, this woman was a full-time scammer paying her husband's way so he could go to school to become a full-time scammer? And she is trying to get sympathy from the Internet for that?? Hilarious! 😂😂😂
LMAOOOO I'm a nurse I have nothing to do with bodi or anything close to it but I definitely felt like I was getting in trouble for a job I don't work at 😂
This dude made a killing by exploiting vulnerable women - first by selling an overpriced, overhyped product, and then by manipulating thousands into doing free marketing.
My mom was a top earner at a MLM company for years and made A LOT of money. At one point upwards of $30k/month. And I will say when they start making that kind of money off of their downlines only, most of them do absolutely jack shit to further their careers or keep grinding. They make insane checks and all they have to do is make a minimum sales amount (which most of them just buy themselves and keep as inventory since they’re making so much money), and keep recruiting people to grow their down lines which consists of a few phone calls a week at best. And when hers changed from the MLM model she had no idea how to go back to sales, she hadn’t done it in like 20 years. It’s ridiculous how lazy they get and think it will never end. I love my mom, but she was as guilty of this as anyone in this video.
I kept getting interrupted by my job but 3 days later I'm sitting down to watch the last half of this video. One of the only TH-camrs I'll come back to to finish a long video like this!
On a human level, I don't feel sorry for a scammer successful enough to be able to provide comfortably for six people. I feel sorry for the victims they've made in the process, and I can only hope they actually get a proper job instead of jumping to the next scam.
Fair. 3 months is better than what I got when I was fired because of "necessary financial cuts". I got the call on Tuesday night after work, that Wednesday was my last day. Yeah, I didn’t even get to work the rest of the week.
I used to work for a steakhouse in New Jersey. I left in 2006. I kept in touch with the folks who still worked there. One day, they showed up for work in 2008 and there were men in suits there and a sign on the door saying the business was shut down, effective immediately. They were allowed to be escorted into the building to gather their personal belongings but that was it. They didn't even get one day notice.
I really have no sympathy for these people. They got where they are by stepping on and exploiting others, and now they're facing the consequences. People at the bottom got talked into and coerced into this. People at the top made choice after choice after choice to stay there.
1:02:47 She went to an MLM that's not super popular because she knows exactly how MLMs work. If she moves to an MLM that most people have never heard of, she can be at the top of the pyramid again. It's hard to feel sorry for her in her video; you can't convince me she doesn't know exactly what she's doing.
There comes a point when most of them know exactly what they’re doing. This is why I still side-eye Roberta Blevins and the other former LuLaroe huns that have been the most outspoken. In the Vice doc and the one that Prime did, NOT ONCE did any of them say that they realized they were taking advantage of people and felt bad that they were getting rich while the people below them weren’t making anything. They enjoyed the money while they were at the top and once it all came crashing down, _then_ that’s when they were like, “Oh, I got scammed!” None of them quit because of what they were doing, they all quit because the scam stopped working for them.
Why is it my responsibility to buy products to help this MLM partner keep her house? The crying is what gets me because it’s so manipulative! It’s not my responsibility to buy more products so you can keep your house. Your husband needs to get a job and grow up because the gravy train is over.
I was totally fine with everything until I learned that the people who *actually sell* the product are not getting their customers passed into their own commission for renewals. Screw the upline, could not care less, but there are likely going to be some people who actually treated it like a real job, tried to sell the product, barely made any money, and are now getting screwed harder. I do feel bad for those people. The people who made money off their "team" are not deserving of any sympathy though. I get that this is hard for them, but they were doing this to other people for years, soooo... who cares.
Yep. If I don't shop at any physical businnes or that one specific grocery shop the customer service and cashiers still get paid. If I don't buy the steel my mom sells she still gets paid. Sure if tons of people stopped buying the steel they might have to restructure but at least per the italian law we still get benefits. This should be a wake up call for them but instead they're swimming in the delusion and drowining in it too.
For the religious aspect: those people aren’t truly believers of Christ because a true believer would understand that God doesn’t give all good things and Satan do all bad things. I hate that because people then blame Christianity for everything because people don’t have a real understanding of faith. God gives everyone wisdom and discernment it’s up to us to use it wisely though. Not everything is satans fault because we ultimately have the power to make mistakes and have to answer to our consequences. I do love your channel and appreciate you staying clear of attacking people who claim to be “Christian” and do that and judge us or lump us all together in the same group.
They think being a Christian makes them better than everyone else and incapable of doing wrong. When in reality it’s the opposite, you admit that you aren’t perfect and that you can and have and will continue to make mistakes and you need faith to make it through.
Keep in mind too that a large majority of these people who are saying they are “Christian” are actually Mormon and this type of thinking where this stuff is an “attack from the devil” is actually very inline with Mormon religious dogma and structure.
"I realized that Steve just wasn't aligning with my vision of my best self anymore. I'm super excited to tell you guys all about the new spouse I've been partnering with, Evan. He's much better aligned with me, and his compensation package is exactly what I've been looking for."
Hannah I love how you react to these closures. You are still empathetic while also telling it how it is. I've seen a few of these videos from other creators and you are by far the best
It actually gives me goosebumps that he’s admitting to knowing profits were going down and that the business was failing WHILE he was continuing to pompously sell the [failing] opportunity without any hesitation. He’s admitting to knowingly putting you in financial harm and twisting it as an opportunity. Absolutely insane
And now he’s actually trying to convince people the MLM structure gets ditched because he wants to help them? I’m sorry, but if anyone hears him admit all this and still thinks he wants their best, they probably can’t be helped.
@@Diana-qp2rwyeah I think even some of the most stubborn reps will feel betrayed by this. Is so blatant. There’s just no way to twist this into a positive for your down-line. “No you guys, it’s actually a good thing that everything I sold you was a lie. The same water that softens the potato hardens the egg!”
While i feel very sorry for any human losing their job and how scary that is, I get annoyed when these women say they lost their "Business" I have a business. I am the only one who can fire myself when things go badly, and believe me I have considered it. But if you can be fired by anyone other than yourself, you have a job not a business.
I remember when beachbody was not mlm. You bought a program in DVD form and it was yours. You could also pick and choose what extras you wanted like workout equipment. And also recall shakeology was grocery store affordable and you just bought more when you wanted, there wasn’t a monthly sign up. They should go back to that.
Yeah, this is news to me. I really liked P90x. It was easy to scale it to what you could do. It's a bummer. But now I also know why a friend of mine isn't doing Rodan & Fields anymore. She's onto a new one.
I must be too jaded. I do not feel a scrap of sympathy for the top earners. How about all of the tears their downlines have shed, banging their heads against the brick wall of this MLM model for years because these same top earners told them to? What about all of the thousands of people they financially gutted to line their own pockets? What about those reps tears, their stress, their sadness, at playing hard at a game their CEO just admitted was a losing one? They were lied to. They were manipulated and fooled into an unethical, greedy system. The pendulum of this predatory business model is FINALLY swinging in favor of the majority of reps. The future is actually brighter for the vast majority of people who have been donating their time and money to make other people rich to their own detriment. The top earners tears do not move me, and I cry at least once per day for other things, things that actually are sad. They were foolish to lean so heavily on an industry that had such a rotten reputation, all for insane amounts of money. Some of them may have lied to themselves quite well to ignore the bad impact they were having on others. Truth coming to light is not a tragedy; it's justice.
Exactly. Imagine being gaslit about how the MLM model is not sustainable and then told that you're just not working hard enough, and now the damn CEO has pointed out the exact same thing so many others spotted years ago? And while I'm not surprised, I just shake my head at how these people just scurry to another MLM, like, did you learn ANYTHING at all?! What, you thought Bodi was a one-off? No, the reputational damage about MLM's has permeated aaall MLM's! It doesn't matter where you scurry to, this story will be repeating itself. At this point, the two options I would suggest are to start a legitimate, non MLM business or to find a "dreaded" 9 to 5 job, because at least this provides an honest living that is much more stable (yes, even in the face of news about layoffs). This can even be sales still. But running to another MLM to me shows these people have zero care for those they've hurt and zero awareness of why even a CEO has had to admit that MLM's are harmful.
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley But the reality is that even if they tried to pick up a 9-5, there's very little chance they'd be able to get a 9-5 with the skills they have from an MLM that would support 4kids and a SAHP going to seminary full-ish time. The MLM opportunity is extra insidious because even at the higher levels, the boss babes are still getting screwed out of actual job experience and the ability to work anywhere else. Remember they're indoctrinated to abandon any careers they may have been pursuing before the MLM in order to get to the top. Most won't make it, but for the few who do? The 9-5 being better for the rep only really counts if you don't have enough of a team that would follow you to make a bridge contract worth it. The people at the top are making money, more money they would make at a 9-5. It's easy to say from the sidelines that morally and by your standards, a 9-5 would be a better choice even if your income drops significantly, but I think it's a lot harder choice than you're painting it to be. I make good money as an engineer in Silicon Valley, but it's not stable either. You can say I'm stupid for choosing an inherently volatile field, but if the company I worked for went under, I'm allowed to be upset and there's zero chance you'd convince me to take a massive paycut for a more traditional 9-5 desk job. The biggest difference is my experience would allow me more opportunities to get similar jobs, whereas with an MLM your options are severely limited and dependent on your team going with you. I'm not saying you have to be on their side, but I think the situation they find themselves in is sympathetic, if morally and ethically predatory.
100%. I don’t feel sorry at all for these top earners. They all know how MLMs work, they aren’t victims anymore. I only hope they learn from it and stop scamming people and making a living of others’ hard work.
@@theBestElliephant Oh, I'm aware that job recruiters and managers frown upon the "experience" of an MLM on a resume, so essentially it cannot count as work experience. But if it hasn't connected with them yet that their large amounts of money are dependent on the work efforts of others instead of themselves, then I have no sympathy for them when they turn to another MLM to continue hurting people. Guess the husband is going to need to start working and they'll become a two-worker household like many others.
What a amazing deep dive Hannah. I have said this before, and I'll say it again, your clarity is second to none, and your empathy is admirable. And your sense of humour is chef's kiss!
with you mentioning how mlms have been around since the 30s, I'd find a dive into the history of mlms very interesting especially coming from you. I collect old women's magazines (usually 50s and 60s) to use in art and there are SO many ads in them saying "sell christmas cards and dresses to your neighborhood and make easy money!!!" I have no idea what those companies are but it's wild that it's been going on so long
Nutrilite which are the vitamins sold by Amway was founded in the 1930s. The 2 men that started Amway in Michigan during the 1950s started as Nutrilite representatives and took their sales hierarchy to start Amway. They then later bought out Nutrilite.
I think those Christmas card selling deals are more like this "single level affiliate" program. There's no recruitment. It's not necessarily a good deal, though! If I recall correctly, to sign up you would send a nominal fee, the company would ship you merchandise, and it was on you to sell it. You would be billed for the whole shipment later, whether you sold or not. There's a pretty funny old radio episode from the series "My Favorite Husband" that centers around everyone trying to sell cards from the "Kris Kringle Christmas Card Company." (The show stars Lucille Ball, and many of the scripts were re-used for "I Love Lucy.") There are a couple episodes from early TV that show kids getting suckered in by those magazine ads. The son in "Father Knows Best" signed up to sell a big box of... I think it was orange plastic teapots! I think one of the boys in "Leave it to Beaver" may have gotten stuck with something as well.
This just proves that these companies customers are their reps. Everyone’s freaking out because they don’t actually sell this to anyone. They just recruit people. So happy this predatory business model is going down.
The women also kinda admit they don’t know how to sell shit cause now if they decide to stay that’s all they’d be doing and their freaking out despite trying to pretend before that’s all they’d do and their freaking downlines arnt the money makers lol
I used to be a Beachbody coach because I adore Shaun T and didn’t realize how bad MLMs were. It was fun for a while but I left because my upline told me to take a post off Facebook and I wasn’t about to have someone tell me what to do. I’m glad to see MLM companies go down because this is proof that every concern us anti-MLMers have raised are legit. I’m with you in struggling between feeling sad for people who are losing their income but also feeling like they’re getting their karma for sucking people into an unfair business model.
Hanna, TH-cam needs more influencers like you! So beautiful, well-spoken, composed, emotionally balanced, very intelligent, good sense of humor, healthy self-esteem, the list goes on and on!
Yesterday Monat sent an email to all their top reps (ED and SEDs), calling them to an emergency leadership meeting in Miami. They gave reps 3 days notice. Is this it? Is the canary singing in the Monat coalmine? If it is, I called it first 🤣
@Niamhbeaky rumour is that they are declaring bankruptcy, and phoenixing into a new company. The emergency meeting is to get the SEDs prepared for the rollover. It will make the current lawsuits disappear. Can anyone say swamp?
When a normal company struggles, one of the first things they do is lay-off or fire middle management. These MLM ladies believed they were part of a "family" that cared for them and never expected to be "let go" when the company flounders. When my son lost his job as manager of a Borders Books, a company that eventually folded, he went looking for a new job, he didn't ask all the store's customers to support him and his family during this "difficult time." These women actually believed they were running their own businesses when actually they were working for a MLM that could fire them at any time.
I was so sorry to hear about Borders Books closures, as I LOVED that store. (...& still have several books with price tags.) I hope that your son was able to find a good job he enjoys afterwards. 😊
It is awesome how quickly your influencer series got off the ground! I found you from those videos then retroactively binged all of your mlm videos… I’m not surprised though your content is so thorough and well paced! Thank you for all your hard work and effort it does not go unnoticed!
As a Christian, it infuriates me to see other Christians partake in MLMs or using their faith to sell products. It seems like such a scummy thing that I don’t think Jesus would agree with.
My Dad was a Hun-Bro (male version of Hun-Bot) back the day 70's and 80's, I was watching your videos - how much of the "quality time" I spent with my father was actually him working his business- I was a prop to help him sell snake-oil.
I don’t know who you are. Never heard of you. But, that’s not saying much because I’m not really on social media a lot! I have to say you seem very authentic and seem to have a lot of integrity. I also saw the little notice announcing you were being compensated for an ad. I appreciate that. I don’t mind people making money if they are honest. This was my first exposure to you and I am quite impressed. This was very well done. I’m going to check out your other material. Thank you for sharing this piece of information. Also, your cat is beautiful. Extra points for being a cat person!☺️🐱
“44% of our partners aren’t comfortable sharing our business opportunity…” That’s because they try to recruit ANYONE and EVERYONE no matter their experience or expertise instead of telling the truth that the only people who (temporarily) do well in these companies are those who are good at (1) marketing and (2) recruiting, because that’s basically what you are.
I am not American and I recently discovered your channel. You’re the first TH-camr EVER I don’t need subtitles on to understand the accent! You even speak very fast at some point but I can totally understand. I don’t know what’s in your voice that’s so clear for non-native speaker like me!
It's almost accentless, like how English is meant to be pronounce. I don't often notice an accent listening to her. I say this as an Australian born and raised in Perth. Perth apparently is also the most similar Aussie accent to proper English 🤷♀️
@@darkydoom Really? I would have said that it was the south Australian accent that was closest proper English because of the way we pronounce certain words and we weren't colonised by convicts.
Watching this made me think about an old childhood friend of mine who lost EVERYTHING after something similar happened to her when the leggings MLM bombed. I just remember seeing the daily non-stop lives on FB she was doing to try and sell the $30k worth of leggings she had in the townhome she ended up foreclosing on shortly after. It was awful :(
Hannah, I truly appreciate how you work so hard to expose the dishonesty of these practices and YET you’re still giving empathy and kindness towards those who have been victimized and participated in the system. You’re not waiting around to mock them or say “I told you so” and I really respect that. You’re a class act, thank you for what you do.
I love that we can now tell the top earners what they’ve been telling the people at the bottom of the pyramid for years: “You’re not making enough money? You can’t recruit enough people? Well, you’re just not working hard enough!” 🤣
I am FB friends with a former BB coach and she was with BB for 13 years and around May/June she all of a sudden quit Bodi because she “needed to move on from Bodi to a better opportunity”. She took her entire team to Green Compass. This leader brought in 10-14K a month for YEARS and suddenly jumped ship? She obviously knew something was going on with Bodi before most of the other leaders did.
I knew two girls from beach body who i noticed were slowly walking away at the end of last year and starting other ventures and have suddenly both completely walked away this fall. One of the gals now teaches others how to create e-courses similar to that of Tim Robbins and the other has latched on to the master resell rights scam.
@@lovelornacidughhhh master resell rights is STILL going?? I let my original FB totally get deleted several months ago due to wanting to completely leave anything related to my old mlm life behind (had tons of old reels left still etc) so mlm has been out of my peripheral until I came to this video today. MRR still being active is so sad.
@@livwakethere's online courses out there that have master resell rights. If you buy the course you can resell it as your own. Many MLM huns started utilizing it and selling it to their downline. Anyway, Hannah did a great video on that topic about a year ago.
I'm 1000% sure my doctor and therapist are wayyyy more qualified to work with me and my health and weight goals then anyone who works for BODi, and that includes the CEO
Agree. I follow some pretty qualified doctors and nutritional experts (for example, Dr. Berg on TH-cam) and I don't think any of them think protein shakes are a good idea.
@@tammiebrown8317 yeah, but they can order bloodwork to check your cholesterol and thyroid levels, which puts them way ahead of any Bodi coach/partner.
Honestly BB coaches thinking they are qualified to create a fitness program bc they bought into a mlm was horrifying. The FDA should have shut them all down. Nutrition and a bachelors in health and human performance takes more than buying shakes to resell at a higher price. It’s crap.
i have a unique relationship with beach body. my mom was apart of it. my mom is deaf and deaf people has a strong sense of community. her "coach" preyed on that with her basic asl skills and took advantage of my mom who just went through an intense health scare. and my mom got roped into it sadly. she left it sometime ago thank goodness
I was into MLMs for a bit, not too successful/active but I fully believed in the model until my husband asked me some eye opening questions: do you have a say on what price is set on these products? Are you consulted when it comes to marketing? How much input do you have when it comes to the composition of these products? If your answer is no or none then it’s not YOUR business. That was it for me.
I have a friend that is one of their top people or whatever they call them. She goes on all the trips and every post is about her diet and workouts. I didn’t know what it was so I asked how she lost the weight…..it took me over a year to get her to stop trying to get me to buy like $200 worth of supplements just to get started! It was crazy expensive and she lives and breathes this shit! I was so clueless and my husband had just passed so I was a little lost and almost got on board thankfully I trusted not only my gut but she was way too eager for me to “join” her. She messaged me so much it actually scared me away! Thank goodness! She is always posting her vacations they send her on and the home she just built. I love your MLM videos/warnings!
Im saying this as someone who's had to watch people struggle with this time and time again, not with the intent to question you or your friend, so please don't take it that way. But the people you spend the most time with aren't your friends by default. They can be, but it's not an immediate indicator. Your friends want the best for you, and if they can't always do that, they'll let you know or do better. I'm not saying don't converse with others or be kind, extend it if you'd like. But please be careful with who you pull into your inner circle
I know a Bodi hun that has been with them since they started and is at the top. She wasn't upset. She said it was an "opportunity for more growth" and then promptly announced she would start selling wellness masterclasses, which I feel like you said is pretty common 😂 so I chuckled.
I genuinely love that you’ve stopped apologizing for Zeek, and it makes me smile when he walks infront of you and you keep talking like he’s not there lol! Keep up the good work!
I lost a lot of weight in 2019 and had beach body girls in my DMs constantly trying to recruit me as a partner. To promote my weight loss - that I did not use beachbody to achieve lol. I will not be buying anything from them anytime soon.
I was bombarded with mlm huns who were "friend of a friend of a friend" to me when I got super sick in 2022 and lost 35lbs in 3 months. I was bedbound and felt/looked awful but these girlies thought I should use my drastic (and very unhealthy) weight loss to schill their crap. So gross and predatory.
@@a697agso sorry you experienced that!! Shows that they don’t give a shit abt “health,” only about the treasured before and after pictures 🙄 I hope you are doing better these days and have reached a(n actual) healthy equilibrium!
Carl: the business model was outdated and flawed Also Carl: people weren’t “leveraging” this failed system properly It’s always the reps fault no matter what. The enraging thing is he always knew it would fail. He was warned for decades. He just lied for as long as he could while he was making money. Now that he’s not, he’s doing a 180 as if it’s based on new and surprising information
Half the country just took back their narcissistic ex of a president. It’s going to be a long while before we can act on any lessons unfortunately 😫 Wish us luck
Financial pyramids do exist in Europe. Look at every corporation, they start with a CEO and boar of directors then you have presidents, vps, shareholders, regional managers, district managers and so on. All corporations are pyramids.
I have zero respect for Bodi at all but can say that allowing the ranks to freeze as is was the most considerate thing we’ve seen one of these companies do when they take away the downlines
Non-American here and I find it kind of strange that those reps talk about god, god helping them through this etc. In my country it would feel weird/inappropriate for someone to talk about their religion in a business context or when it's not a private conversation with a close friend. So is this an MLM thing or just more common in the USA. It just feels so culty to me when reps talk like that
Carl effectively stole everyone's customers after using them to build the business. He is eliminating a huge overhead expense because I'm sure he expects a lot of partners to quit. Now he has all their customers and doesn't have to pay out huge commissions, all is well in Carl-land. He screwed his employees over they way they've been screwing customers over for years.
So for years these reps have been saying that being a bodi rep is exactly like an affiliate program and when it changes to an actual affiliate program they freak out. Carl pretending he actually gives a shit about any of them is laughable. All he cares about is the money flowing into his pockets. Also if they truely made all their money from sales like they claimed they wouldn’t be so upset about the change, so clearly they are just admitting that the majority of their money comes from the recruiting and the people under them.
I’ve never joined an MLM. Never almost joined an MLM. But you communicate and organize your ideas in such an engaging way I always watch your videos anyway.
Didn't realize this video was 1.5 hrs long. Wow! I am binge watching all your videos. Listening to you is very soothing irrespective of serious the topic is.
Two reasons I will continue to stay far away from BODi: 1.) their track record of toxic business practices does not stop at the MLM. They have been ruining people’s relationship with food for decades. 2.) I would never trust a personal trainer that was willing to work with an MLM business structure. I’d much rather seek out training and programs from people with good moral compasses.
As a former BB Coach, I will never support them. They can change their compensation plan but the messaging is still problematic and the supplements and shakes are still subpar.
My dad has an actual business that he owns. My parents both worked there when I was a baby and my parents said they had a heart to heart with each other that they can’t both work their full time because what if it doesn’t work. So my mom got a corporate job. Thank God. In 2008 there was a horrible flood, 6ish feet of water in the building, and we are in a 500 year flood plane. My dad didn’t have an income for 6-7 months. I can’t imagine if it was both my parent’s income.
They are ALL jumping to other MLMs. Even the ones that haven’t been doing anything with Bodi in years. It is actually insane (and disgusting) how quickly they have all moved on to the next grift. Most of them were enrolled in a new MLM within a WEEK. It is laughable. My inbox was flooded with people trying to recruit me too. NO THANKS.
I’m actually so happy to hear this. I love beach body workouts and have been doing them since like, 2005 with Slim & Six and I loved that I could change up my workouts and love the feeling of finishing a whole program. We did P90x and Insanity in college. When I learned they were an MLM I cancelled my membership because I do not support MLMs. I’m excited to see how this unfolds over the next few months or years to see if I could potentially return to them. I don’t that I can do it any time soon, but I do think if someone sees err in their ways and changes their plan then it could be possible. In the meantime I’ll check out Heather Robinson- thanks for the rec!
Yeah, I'm torn after finding out about this. I love their workouts and use them regularly, but have never gone beyond that with shakeology, coaching, and whatnot. My subscription just renewed, but if I can find similar streaming programs I'll move elsewhere when it's up.
The company knows customers won't remember to fill out the affiliate number. The company benefits by not having to pay out commission which will be a revenue stream for them. They no longer need the top tier and they're not going to do anything to keep them.
This was my exact thought. I've been seeing this happening on TikTok Shop recently, where companies skip over the affiliates/content creators and post the content themselves to prevent paying out a commission. There's no other reason but greed!
I have a Facebook "friend" who was in BODi. I expected a small crisis also from her part, but no. She was very calm and understanding about it. A few days later, she posted that she is now in Shaklee...
@@Anna-dd4rh it is the fist time I heard of that one too! With this name, I thought they sold shakes but it is more vitamins, supplements, beauty products and whatever... lateley, this person is posting a lot about a "thing" that is supposed to be able to do the same effect as botox? 😒
@@MaryBeeRay weird… I also would’ve thought shakes. I’m not sure what’s worse, trying to freeze your face with untested junk or trying to lose tons of weight with untested junk (looking at you, “just like Ozempic!” grifters). Regardless, health scams are the worst 😤
Have been binging your videos over the holidays - especially these types of videos as a reminder about all the people and companies trying to capitalize on new year's insecurities. I turned 40 last year and I'm wanting to take better care of my body - plus I'm getting married this year and am feeling the pressure. I went over to Heather's channel and tried a video of hers and I can see why you fangirl. What an incredibly positive and supportive person! Thanks so much for discussing the stories you do while also providing excellent (and free) alternatives! Much love ❤️
Love this! Look up Lindsay Matway.. assuming the last one here was referring to her. She raked in the millions and was #1 at one point. Now that BB has "transitioned to an affiliate model" (her words) she's "launching her 5th business with MAKE Wellness" and of course has invited all her fb followers to jump in with her -- to yet another MLM!! Where she'll probably make another million because she has such a large following and as we all know, the money comes from all the people you recruit under you. So annoying and I wish there was a way to tell all those women that not only was BB an MLM, but so it this new company!
I know a girl that was a Beachbody "coach." I knew her from middle school and she only ever reached out to me as an adult when she was trying to get clients. Last time it was right after a bad breakup and a subsequent cross country move back to the state I grew up in. I knew practically no one when I moved back and was just looking for a friend. When she reached out she initially acted like she just wanted to be a friend to me and within a few texts she started pitching Beachbody and basically said it would be good for my self esteem to get in shape and that is was a good community. I told her it was kind of offensive to pitch what I already believed to be an MLM to me in my lowest moment when I just needed a friend to talk to. She kept trying to spin it as something sincere but when you really want to help a friend it doesn't entail a fee and a contract. She was all in on Beachbody and went to all their events and it just felt like a cult. I haven't been on socials for some time to see how she's doing but I hope she eventually was able to walk away from that scam
One of my grade school / Sunday school acquaintances was super into Beach Body, and found me on social media. She went all "oh, I always loved you so much when we were kids!" and I was like "April, my dude, you wouldn't give me the time of day back then, what are you selling?" I wonder what she's selling now?
I'm sitting here listening to him talk about obesity rates while I'm sitting on the couch munching on jalapeno kettle chips.😂😂 I don't even feel bad...
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I don't suppose you would be willing to share that ground beef recipe?
@@catmomma1695I was wondering the same thing. I also really want to try their salmon
Why does he keep referring to them as 'Partners'?
Real partners are consulted on decisions, it's clear he made this decision alone.
I love your earrings! you have a link?
MLM Huns: I'm a ✨entrepreneur✨
Also MLM Huns: I've been fired 😭😭😭
Yesss! like they really used to say “I’m my own boss!” and now theyre saying “Oops I was fired” lmaoooo
Imagine being fired from your "small business" ☠️☠️☠️☠️
😂😂😂
Cognitive dissonance is ✨WILD
Exactly
"I truly think this is an attack of the devil. He knows how powerful we are."
YOU SELL PROTEIN SHAKES!
they really think they are saving world 😂😂😂
I would argue that MLM's are actually the devil's work 😅
The whiplash, jaw drop, double blink that I experienced at that...
lol and the funniest part is that removing yet another MLM has far more positive impact on lower ranked partners and society in general, than it has a negative impact on the 1% of ppl in the pyramid able to make a living off of it. She only thinks it’s devil’s work because she’s negatively impacted by it. If the government bans MLMs for the sake of all the people who suffer because of it, are they the devil too?
Reminded me the video about MLMs and Mormons by Jordan and McKay
The irony of the woman putting her husband through seminary to become a pastor with money she got from taking advantage of other people… 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
well said!
As a pastors wife myself, I'm mostly bothered by her saying eff... as if that makes it better than saying the real word
Omg exactly!
@@beautyandbeyond347thats what bothers you more? Not lying and taking advantage of vulnerable people?
@@beautyandbeyond347girl you should be bothered more by her scamming people 😭😂
CEO has the "innovative" realization that the best way to avoid the stigma of being an MLM is to stop being an MLM
😂
Brilliant, isn’t it! 😂
🤯🤯🤯
I think 10 years ago people really did not understand just how dangerous mlms can be and I think we can all be proud. There's been enough information circulating that a lot of people have wised up to business opportunities, often being just an opportunity to lose money and then someone at the top of the pyramid to profit off of that
Exactly!! And if it still sold well he wouldn't care even half of an iota about that stigma. He's a snake oil salesman trying to sell that prioritizing his profit is the morally right thing to do.
My bodi is ready for a 1.5-hour Hannah video
The guy talked for 1.5 hours alone lolz
So ready
LMAOO
hshahah
Lmfaoo
She had 20,000 direct customers, and STILL 95% of her income was from her team!? Madness
Maybe her customers were her “team”? I literally can’t feel bad for her.
She only has 2000 direct customers, that's what I understand at least
I think when she says “customer base” she means social media followers lol
One thing that huns from many MLMs have been caught doing is buying stuff from each other to help each other “LeVeL uP” in the scam or keep a rank.
I interpreted that 20,000 as being all the customers her entire team serves. Even if the customers stayed with their original coach I imagine the vast majority of the 20k were multiple levels (heehee) removed from her.
I don’t feel bad for them. As a former BB Coach (2015-2017), these people were not leaders; they were abusers. They constantly pushed, berated, insulted, and told us we were lazy. They did not care about us; they cared about themselves and how much money we put in THEIR wallet. I resigned shortly after I let my Shakeology auto-ship lapse. My upline’s upline called me (yup, my uplines UPLINE) to demean me because, apparently, my decision to prioritize paying my bills caused an entire MLM ladder of PREDATORS to lose their diamond and star diamond ranks. I do not feel bad for these people. Not even a little bit. KARMA ❤🎉
Thank you for sharing this. People having even a modicum of sympathy for any of them need to know this kind of experience. 🖤🖤🖤
I 1000% remember how DISGUSTING these people were to their downlines. I have zero empathy for these people.
What made me sick about that first woman was her saying that she got the ick from Carl lying to her, saying she felt duped or whatever. Meanwhile she fails to realize she’s been doing the EXACT SAME THING to her downline the whole time. They tell you you’ll get rich off of selling product when it’s a complete lie, then you get trapped in a system where you have to recruit which may not be what you signed up for.
The fact that their entire ‘business’ was such a house of cards that a *single person leaving* warrants this sort of reaction speaks volumes. Glad you got out
I’m so glad you got out and I’m so sorry what you went through. ❤
My tiny violin is around here somewhere but I'm having a hard time finding the motivation to look for it. So until I find it, I can only extend concepts of sorrows and prayers.
Massive queen Charlotte vibes here 😂
“Sorrows. Sorrows.”
Love the mix of the two tropes, I'm 100% stealing that ❤
Okay you win the comments section
🤣🤣🤣🤣
We “pledge” our sorrows
I'm so here for every single one of these companies to go down. I was wrapped into MLM's in my early twenties and for the next few years I wracked up 20k in debt because we "has to travel to every single training, or we wouldn't be successful" (4 trainings a year across the country, so airline tickets, hotels, tickets, etc). My husband and were never successful because we wouldn't be the type of people the successful ones had to be.
We refused to guilt and manipulate people in a tough spot to get them to sign up.
Thankfully, we woke up, got out, apologized to our friends and family for being annoying lol (they forgave us) and have finally paid off all that debt. I got to be a part of a Time magazine interview against MLM's after and I'm happy to report my previous company went down.
I believe it was purchased and rebranded, but the damage was done.
Ooo TIME magazine interview? Do you mind sharing the title of it?
Now all of a sudden they understand the difference between "affiliate marketing" and "multilevel marketing". 🤔
Now they get they aren’t their own boss. I hope.
lol
It's just too funny 😂
Lol
LoL gotta love it- they've been screaming "it's just like affiliate marketing!!" for so long...now they really are!
I think what really rubs me the wrong way with the big income ladies crying like that, is that they were fine with other women in their downline probably crying like this every single day while trying to work this business and not making a dime. They probably never gave them a thought as long as they were making money off of them. So yes, it's hard to feel THAT bad for them honestly.
That's so true!!
GOOD POINT!!!
Oh for sure! I used to be a coach so I saw this first hand with how they would “train” us! Basically work your ass off and work your ass off. 🙄
@@emmaleebuzzard1023 I'm sorry that you've had a first hand experience of that, glad you got out! 👏
Yes I agree, they did the same to so many people and now they're reaping what they sew. They defended the MLM so hard and we're "business owners" people tried to tell them.
OK, so, this is weird because I'm a researcher and I just used BODI as a case study for a certain project in my company and now they're going down right in front of my eyes while I'm still working on that project! It's crazy.
Side note: This year alone, I've seen so many MLMs going under and can't be happier lmao
I honestly believe it’s due to hard work of anti mlm community and their constant videos and posts .
Hope it hasn't hurt your research (genuinely).
@@1violalass Thanks! It doesn't hurt my research, but definitely has forced me to study its business model and learn the insights of what happened more thoroughly. I enjoy the process though, so no losses there.
“Regulatory Threats” - also known as government agencies doing their jobs.
And I oop-
ThEyRe TrYiNg To ReGuLaTe Us
...but for how much longer? :-(
I won't be surprised if Bodi changes back to the MLM structure now (with some changes to benefit CEO and higher ups, of course) that the anti-regulation party won the election and have control of all parts of the federal government. It's gonna be a free-for-all for MLMs and all sorts of other scams.
That cracked me up that he actually said that like they were being wrongly targeted
Hannah petting a cat the whole time BB crumbles like a supervillain is an amazing visual. Keep taking them down, Queen!
🤣🤣🤣 I'll always see her that way now!
I want a man that looks at me the way her cat looks at her 😂😂😂❤
Just needs the Dr evil pinky 😂
😂
Grey tabbies are very loving. Way better than people.
Cut to: One year from now when he makes a new video announcing the closing of the company entirely lol
Oh, i want to be a fly on the wall for that... I'll break out the bozo meme and champagne
Huns all along: it’s no different than affiliate marketing
Skip to huns panicking about their income loss when it switches to actual affiliate marketing
It’s almost like selling the product is less lucrative than selling the recruiting dream
right!
This right here. I’d LOVE to show each of them their previous videos.
That was my thought!
'we are not a pyramid scheme, we have PRODUCT. Wait what do you mean I have to only survive on the product?' 😂
@@gggthsband we have to sell that same product in competition with everyone we trained to sell the same way 🙃
So that one partner’s husband is a financial advisor and thought it would be a good idea for their family of 6 to depend fully on her very variable unstable source of income?? Not a good advisor if you ask me.
Also the fact that she's freaking out about their future finances....like, did you not invest anything these last few years?
@@annea.4173Right? I thought it was common sense that the very least thing you should do if you can is put enough money aside for a situation like this, better, invest something. I just don’t get it.
Wild
wasn't he also studying to be a pastor? Or was that another partner?
You wouldn't think pastor's make that much. I've never seen it. But I'm also not from the US and every church I've been in did not adhere to the prosperity gospel (which is a US American concept anyway, as far as I know. I'd never even heard about it until like 2020, so my mid to late 20s).
@@annea.4173 they probably didn't! They might have been living above their means especially from what we have heard about MLMs selling more of a dream lifestyle then fantasy. When I watched the documentary on LulaRoe, it was amazing how much those reps had to spend in order to show how good of a company LLR was.
Katt Williams called it: 2024 is the year of Justice and ACCOUNTABILITY.
Amen. ❤
2024 IS the karmic year so....
YES
I’m a Christian and it is taking every ounce of strength in me to not to slam my head on my desk while listening to this girl blame the devil for the change. GIRL NO!!!
Same!
I don't think God would approve of these scummy MLMs. Its ridiculous how many of these reps try to use Christianity to manipulate people. Jesus didn't sign people up for scams, in fact him flipping tables of money changers tells me he'd strongly disapprove of MLMs
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Saaaaame. That's not how the devil works. Every inconvenience isn't an attack from "the enemy".
I would love to see someone do a sociological study of the intersection between evangelical Christians, MLM huns, and trad wives. It just seems to me (full disclosure, I'm an atheist) that the vast majority of the MLM huns that are featured constantly talk about God's plan and he'll work things out , and the talk that's used by them to describe their MLM teams sounds a lot like the same phrases used when they talk about their religion and their church. When they talk about how sad they are about losing their teams, they sound a lot like people sound when they talk about how sad they are when a church member is kicked out for whatever transgression. And then they talk about their doubts and red flags but they ignored them, which sounds a lot like gaslighting yourself into thinking your pastor is a good guy when multiple women accuse him of abuse. And then when they can't deny it anymore, they jump churches/MLM's because "this one is the real thing". And the trad wife thing comes in where I don't think they really want to be trad wives but this is as close they can get to having an actual job.
I cackled at "Girl, THEY DIDN'T DIE, you're just not making money off them anymore!"
YES when u leave a MLM the "Best Friends/Team/Family" you had are GONE! When I gave up my director position because I hated recruiting and just wanted to sell, my Director stopped returning my calls even as I tried to continue selling.
Love that it's always a dude in charge of a company whose mission is to make women feel bad about their bodies
Lol fr
Dont worry, beach body makes EVERYONE feel bad about their body ❤😂
Yes it's really gross
Go read any interview with him and read about how he deliberately chose the MLM model because it would make him the most money.
FOR REAL THO
- married to a financial advisor
- is in a pyramid scheme
- wow
- WOW.
Omg the one lady said "increasing their faith" like it's quantifiable. "Oh man I'm feeling blue lately, I'm only at 3 Faith"
She should level up to unlock more of the skill tree 😂
He has to be in one of those financial advising pyramids was my first thought...
@@hollyputnat oh yeah Primerica "interviewed" me in 2012 🙄 my workplace closed for 18 months and we were laid off. Turns out my boss's husband was a Primerica upline. I'm glad he didn't call me back.
Maybe that’s because he’s trying to become a pastor instead…
I would not want to hire a financial advisor whose wife is in a MLM, would not trust him at all!
How could a legit financial advisor allow a spouse to support family on an MLM income?
A lot of Financial Advisor's are just as dumb.
Bc financial advisors suck and are people that couldn’t make in actual investment finance so went to wealth management. That’s why we all make fun of them (we as in people in actual in Investment finance like Investment banking, Mergers and Acquisitions, Leveraged Financing, Private Equity, Etc.)
What if they’re a Primeamerica’s “financial advisor”? 🤭😂
My best friend still has food trauma and battles and disordered eating after her involvement with Beach Body. No longer being an mlm doesn't magically fix that for her. I will still never recommend or give my money to this company.
I've struggled with an eating disorder since I was 9. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. I hope your BFF finds healing❤
@NikkiRN-CLC thank you for your kind words. I wish you the best with your own struggles 🙏
Very true- unfortunately people can become just as obsessed with being “healthy” as they can with losing or staying at a certain weight. I find Bodi moving towards a mission statement based on health has the same energy as a fatphobic person defending their stance by stating “I’m just worried about fat peoples’ health”
@@gooseberries608 Yeah, I've noticed that too. Like, I understand why it's generally a good idea. Making lifestyle changes to improve your own health? Recognizing you need a change? Good for you! But when was the last time you were genuinely invested in the health of a stranger's lifestyle? Usually, unsolicited "health" advice is just an excuse for these people to judge someone else's appearance and feel superior for a few seconds before the deep-seated emptiness settles back in.
35:51 the only way to make it profitable in my opinion is to drop the price to a compete in the market and put it on shelves. Then people will buy it not really even knowing that it was ever an MLM and if it's as fantastic as they've always claimed they will have recurring customers.
Here’s the thing, they aren’t taking away your ability to mentor and build a team, you can still do those things! You just don’t want to because you are looking out for your paycheck, not the wellbeing of others.
Yes!! All of those videos of reps saying they do this because it’s what they love, not about the paycheck. Let’s see if those daily team calls keep up without the financial incentive
It’s almost like building a team of your direct competition doesn’t make sense in any scenario not involving a pyramid scheme
You could even get a personal training license and get paid to do it in a not sketchy way!
38:23 So, this woman was a full-time scammer paying her husband's way so he could go to school to become a full-time scammer? And she is trying to get sympathy from the Internet for that?? Hilarious! 😂😂😂
This man makes me anxious. The moment he launched into his speech, I felt like I was getting laid off. 😂
LMAOOOO I'm a nurse I have nothing to do with bodi or anything close to it but I definitely felt like I was getting in trouble for a job I don't work at 😂
Lmaoooo me too💀
He's so reptilian
This dude made a killing by exploiting vulnerable women - first by selling an overpriced, overhyped product, and then by manipulating thousands into doing free marketing.
Omg me too
My mom was a top earner at a MLM company for years and made A LOT of money. At one point upwards of $30k/month. And I will say when they start making that kind of money off of their downlines only, most of them do absolutely jack shit to further their careers or keep grinding. They make insane checks and all they have to do is make a minimum sales amount (which most of them just buy themselves and keep as inventory since they’re making so much money), and keep recruiting people to grow their down lines which consists of a few phone calls a week at best.
And when hers changed from the MLM model she had no idea how to go back to sales, she hadn’t done it in like 20 years. It’s ridiculous how lazy they get and think it will never end. I love my mom, but she was as guilty of this as anyone in this video.
So what happened to your mom? Did she find a job in the end?
Yes, kinda invested in this story now.
@@moonbeammuse2767 yeah me too!
And how did your mom recover?
OP GET BACK HERE AND FINISH THE STORY! 😩😭
I kept getting interrupted by my job but 3 days later I'm sitting down to watch the last half of this video. One of the only TH-camrs I'll come back to to finish a long video like this!
On a human level, I don't feel sorry for a scammer successful enough to be able to provide comfortably for six people. I feel sorry for the victims they've made in the process, and I can only hope they actually get a proper job instead of jumping to the next scam.
This. I feel sorry for the kids.
👆🏻the kids, family, friends, etc
I don't feel bad for them losing their customer base. They got that customer base through dishonest means, they shouldn't keep it.
You got 3 months notice, If the business you worked for went Bankrupt then you lose your job that day.
So true!
Fair. 3 months is better than what I got when I was fired because of "necessary financial cuts". I got the call on Tuesday night after work, that Wednesday was my last day. Yeah, I didn’t even get to work the rest of the week.
I used to work for a steakhouse in New Jersey. I left in 2006. I kept in touch with the folks who still worked there. One day, they showed up for work in 2008 and there were men in suits there and a sign on the door saying the business was shut down, effective immediately. They were allowed to be escorted into the building to gather their personal belongings but that was it. They didn't even get one day notice.
I didn't get any notice when the salon I worked for went under. Quit your whining, chicklet!
Exactly. I've had 5 minutes notice before. They've gotten 3 month's notice.
I really have no sympathy for these people. They got where they are by stepping on and exploiting others, and now they're facing the consequences. People at the bottom got talked into and coerced into this. People at the top made choice after choice after choice to stay there.
1:02:47 She went to an MLM that's not super popular because she knows exactly how MLMs work. If she moves to an MLM that most people have never heard of, she can be at the top of the pyramid again. It's hard to feel sorry for her in her video; you can't convince me she doesn't know exactly what she's doing.
Yes I thought the same!!
yupppp, exactly what it is
There comes a point when most of them know exactly what they’re doing. This is why I still side-eye Roberta Blevins and the other former LuLaroe huns that have been the most outspoken. In the Vice doc and the one that Prime did, NOT ONCE did any of them say that they realized they were taking advantage of people and felt bad that they were getting rich while the people below them weren’t making anything. They enjoyed the money while they were at the top and once it all came crashing down, _then_ that’s when they were like, “Oh, I got scammed!” None of them quit because of what they were doing, they all quit because the scam stopped working for them.
Why is it my responsibility to buy products to help this MLM partner keep her house? The crying is what gets me because it’s so manipulative! It’s not my responsibility to buy more products so you can keep your house. Your husband needs to get a job and grow up because the gravy train is over.
I was totally fine with everything until I learned that the people who *actually sell* the product are not getting their customers passed into their own commission for renewals. Screw the upline, could not care less, but there are likely going to be some people who actually treated it like a real job, tried to sell the product, barely made any money, and are now getting screwed harder. I do feel bad for those people.
The people who made money off their "team" are not deserving of any sympathy though. I get that this is hard for them, but they were doing this to other people for years, soooo... who cares.
"boo hoo, I can't make money off of the work of other people that I manipulated into a money-making scheme"
@ thank you, brilliant comment
The duper gets duped! 😅😅
Yep. If I don't shop at any physical businnes or that one specific grocery shop the customer service and cashiers still get paid. If I don't buy the steel my mom sells she still gets paid. Sure if tons of people stopped buying the steel they might have to restructure but at least per the italian law we still get benefits. This should be a wake up call for them but instead they're swimming in the delusion and drowining in it too.
For the religious aspect: those people aren’t truly believers of Christ because a true believer would understand that God doesn’t give all good things and Satan do all bad things.
I hate that because people then blame Christianity for everything because people don’t have a real understanding of faith. God gives everyone wisdom and discernment it’s up to us to use it wisely though. Not everything is satans fault because we ultimately have the power to make mistakes and have to answer to our consequences.
I do love your channel and appreciate you staying clear of attacking people who claim to be “Christian” and do that and judge us or lump us all together in the same group.
They think being a Christian makes them better than everyone else and incapable of doing wrong. When in reality it’s the opposite, you admit that you aren’t perfect and that you can and have and will continue to make mistakes and you need faith to make it through.
Keep in mind too that a large majority of these people who are saying they are “Christian” are actually Mormon and this type of thinking where this stuff is an “attack from the devil” is actually very inline with Mormon religious dogma and structure.
@@hannahb.375 Wait, really? Christianity is Christ based and Mormons thought Jesus was just another dude.
Every time this guy talks about wanting to get people healthy makes me sick. He doesn’t care a bit about health. He cares about money money money.
Bingo!
"We want to help people". The people are him and his shareholders.
@@Charbond he wants to help his bank account get healthy 😏
Duh. He's the CEO lol
The health of his wallet😂
"Retired their husbands" evokes "put out to pasture" mental images. Every time one of them says that I wonder if they've put out a hit or something.
this is so funny 😭
"I realized that Steve just wasn't aligning with my vision of my best self anymore. I'm super excited to tell you guys all about the new spouse I've been partnering with, Evan. He's much better aligned with me, and his compensation package is exactly what I've been looking for."
@@unreadaethel6878 I see what you did there. 🤣🤣🤣
All I can think is them taking them out back like old yeller lol
time to send Ted out back
Hannah I love how you react to these closures. You are still empathetic while also telling it how it is. I've seen a few of these videos from other creators and you are by far the best
It actually gives me goosebumps that he’s admitting to knowing profits were going down and that the business was failing WHILE he was continuing to pompously sell the [failing] opportunity without any hesitation. He’s admitting to knowingly putting you in financial harm and twisting it as an opportunity. Absolutely insane
And now he’s actually trying to convince people the MLM structure gets ditched because he wants to help them? I’m sorry, but if anyone hears him admit all this and still thinks he wants their best, they probably can’t be helped.
@@Diana-qp2rwyeah I think even some of the most stubborn reps will feel betrayed by this. Is so blatant. There’s just no way to twist this into a positive for your down-line. “No you guys, it’s actually a good thing that everything I sold you was a lie. The same water that softens the potato hardens the egg!”
@@Diana-qp2rwI lied to you and underpaid you for years for your own good
He's evil. Look at that freeze screen! Look at his eyes and fake smile.
@@Diana-qp2rw Also the fact that they all spent months building a team of their own direct competition with the new affiliate model
While i feel very sorry for any human losing their job and how scary that is, I get annoyed when these women say they lost their "Business" I have a business. I am the only one who can fire myself when things go badly, and believe me I have considered it. But if you can be fired by anyone other than yourself, you have a job not a business.
I remember when beachbody was not mlm. You bought a program in DVD form and it was yours. You could also pick and choose what extras you wanted like workout equipment. And also recall shakeology was grocery store affordable and you just bought more when you wanted, there wasn’t a monthly sign up. They should go back to that.
Yeah, this is news to me. I really liked P90x. It was easy to scale it to what you could do. It's a bummer. But now I also know why a friend of mine isn't doing Rodan & Fields anymore. She's onto a new one.
If the product was good enough they would not have needed to be an MLM
Exactly!!! Every product I've ever gotten from any mlm has been crap! THRIVE comes to mind!
I must be too jaded. I do not feel a scrap of sympathy for the top earners. How about all of the tears their downlines have shed, banging their heads against the brick wall of this MLM model for years because these same top earners told them to? What about all of the thousands of people they financially gutted to line their own pockets? What about those reps tears, their stress, their sadness, at playing hard at a game their CEO just admitted was a losing one? They were lied to. They were manipulated and fooled into an unethical, greedy system. The pendulum of this predatory business model is FINALLY swinging in favor of the majority of reps. The future is actually brighter for the vast majority of people who have been donating their time and money to make other people rich to their own detriment. The top earners tears do not move me, and I cry at least once per day for other things, things that actually are sad. They were foolish to lean so heavily on an industry that had such a rotten reputation, all for insane amounts of money. Some of them may have lied to themselves quite well to ignore the bad impact they were having on others. Truth coming to light is not a tragedy; it's justice.
Exactly. Imagine being gaslit about how the MLM model is not sustainable and then told that you're just not working hard enough, and now the damn CEO has pointed out the exact same thing so many others spotted years ago? And while I'm not surprised, I just shake my head at how these people just scurry to another MLM, like, did you learn ANYTHING at all?! What, you thought Bodi was a one-off? No, the reputational damage about MLM's has permeated aaall MLM's! It doesn't matter where you scurry to, this story will be repeating itself.
At this point, the two options I would suggest are to start a legitimate, non MLM business or to find a "dreaded" 9 to 5 job, because at least this provides an honest living that is much more stable (yes, even in the face of news about layoffs). This can even be sales still. But running to another MLM to me shows these people have zero care for those they've hurt and zero awareness of why even a CEO has had to admit that MLM's are harmful.
But God led them to their successful “business”
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley But the reality is that even if they tried to pick up a 9-5, there's very little chance they'd be able to get a 9-5 with the skills they have from an MLM that would support 4kids and a SAHP going to seminary full-ish time.
The MLM opportunity is extra insidious because even at the higher levels, the boss babes are still getting screwed out of actual job experience and the ability to work anywhere else. Remember they're indoctrinated to abandon any careers they may have been pursuing before the MLM in order to get to the top. Most won't make it, but for the few who do? The 9-5 being better for the rep only really counts if you don't have enough of a team that would follow you to make a bridge contract worth it. The people at the top are making money, more money they would make at a 9-5.
It's easy to say from the sidelines that morally and by your standards, a 9-5 would be a better choice even if your income drops significantly, but I think it's a lot harder choice than you're painting it to be. I make good money as an engineer in Silicon Valley, but it's not stable either. You can say I'm stupid for choosing an inherently volatile field, but if the company I worked for went under, I'm allowed to be upset and there's zero chance you'd convince me to take a massive paycut for a more traditional 9-5 desk job. The biggest difference is my experience would allow me more opportunities to get similar jobs, whereas with an MLM your options are severely limited and dependent on your team going with you. I'm not saying you have to be on their side, but I think the situation they find themselves in is sympathetic, if morally and ethically predatory.
100%. I don’t feel sorry at all for these top earners. They all know how MLMs work, they aren’t victims anymore. I only hope they learn from it and stop scamming people and making a living of others’ hard work.
@@theBestElliephant Oh, I'm aware that job recruiters and managers frown upon the "experience" of an MLM on a resume, so essentially it cannot count as work experience. But if it hasn't connected with them yet that their large amounts of money are dependent on the work efforts of others instead of themselves, then I have no sympathy for them when they turn to another MLM to continue hurting people. Guess the husband is going to need to start working and they'll become a two-worker household like many others.
What a amazing deep dive Hannah. I have said this before, and I'll say it again, your clarity is second to none, and your empathy is admirable. And your sense of humour is chef's kiss!
with you mentioning how mlms have been around since the 30s, I'd find a dive into the history of mlms very interesting especially coming from you. I collect old women's magazines (usually 50s and 60s) to use in art and there are SO many ads in them saying "sell christmas cards and dresses to your neighborhood and make easy money!!!" I have no idea what those companies are but it's wild that it's been going on so long
Omg YES! I remember my mother hawking Jafra, and some toy party company, and Tupperware!
Nutrilite which are the vitamins sold by Amway was founded in the 1930s. The 2 men that started Amway in Michigan during the 1950s started as Nutrilite representatives and took their sales hierarchy to start Amway. They then later bought out Nutrilite.
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I think those Christmas card selling deals are more like this "single level affiliate" program. There's no recruitment. It's not necessarily a good deal, though! If I recall correctly, to sign up you would send a nominal fee, the company would ship you merchandise, and it was on you to sell it. You would be billed for the whole shipment later, whether you sold or not. There's a pretty funny old radio episode from the series "My Favorite Husband" that centers around everyone trying to sell cards from the "Kris Kringle Christmas Card Company." (The show stars Lucille Ball, and many of the scripts were re-used for "I Love Lucy.") There are a couple episodes from early TV that show kids getting suckered in by those magazine ads. The son in "Father Knows Best" signed up to sell a big box of... I think it was orange plastic teapots! I think one of the boys in "Leave it to Beaver" may have gotten stuck with something as well.
@charlesharmon4926 Dang, imagine two of your own recruits buying you out
This just proves that these companies customers are their reps. Everyone’s freaking out because they don’t actually sell this to anyone. They just recruit people. So happy this predatory business model is going down.
The women also kinda admit they don’t know how to sell shit cause now if they decide to stay that’s all they’d be doing and their freaking out despite trying to pretend before that’s all they’d do and their freaking downlines arnt the money makers lol
I used to be a Beachbody coach because I adore Shaun T and didn’t realize how bad MLMs were. It was fun for a while but I left because my upline told me to take a post off Facebook and I wasn’t about to have someone tell me what to do.
I’m glad to see MLM companies go down because this is proof that every concern us anti-MLMers have raised are legit.
I’m with you in struggling between feeling sad for people who are losing their income but also feeling like they’re getting their karma for sucking people into an unfair business model.
Hanna, TH-cam needs more influencers like you! So beautiful, well-spoken, composed, emotionally balanced, very intelligent, good sense of humor, healthy self-esteem, the list goes on and on!
Amen!!
It’s hard to decide: who’s more beautiful, she or Cooper!
I’m being induced and need something to watch to get me thru and this is perfect! Cannot wait to watch ❤
good luck!!! and early congratulations !
Good luck almost momma!!!
@@TanyaElisabeth thank you (:
@@lollybowser thank you! (:
Wishing you a safe and healthy labour & delivery ❤🎉
I mean, this is like a three-month layoff notice. Plenty of time for all those high-earners to find a job.
Yesterday Monat sent an email to all their top reps (ED and SEDs), calling them to an emergency leadership meeting in Miami. They gave reps 3 days notice. Is this it? Is the canary singing in the Monat coalmine?
If it is, I called it first 🤣
Monat is 100% on this track. It’s a matter of time…
@Niamhbeaky rumour is that they are declaring bankruptcy, and phoenixing into a new company. The emergency meeting is to get the SEDs prepared for the rollover. It will make the current lawsuits disappear.
Can anyone say swamp?
We'll see....
Now I'm really nosy
Sure sounds like it. Bet it is the same we are closing the mlm
When a normal company struggles, one of the first things they do is lay-off or fire middle management. These MLM ladies believed they were part of a "family" that cared for them and never expected to be "let go" when the company flounders. When my son lost his job as manager of a Borders Books, a company that eventually folded, he went looking for a new job, he didn't ask all the store's customers to support him and his family during this "difficult time." These women actually believed they were running their own businesses when actually they were working for a MLM that could fire them at any time.
I was so sorry to hear about Borders Books closures, as I LOVED that store. (...& still have several books with price tags.) I hope that your son was able to find a good job he enjoys afterwards. 😊
@ Thank you! He was able to find a good job.
Totally agree. A complete lack of respect and dignity for themselves to go into social media crying and begging for handouts before looking for work.
It is awesome how quickly your influencer series got off the ground! I found you from those videos then retroactively binged all of your mlm videos… I’m not surprised though your content is so thorough and well paced! Thank you for all your hard work and effort it does not go unnoticed!
As a Christian, it infuriates me to see other Christians partake in MLMs or using their faith to sell products. It seems like such a scummy thing that I don’t think Jesus would agree with.
My Dad was a Hun-Bro (male version of Hun-Bot) back the day 70's and 80's, I was watching your videos - how much of the "quality time" I spent with my father was actually him working his business- I was a prop to help him sell snake-oil.
Ugh that's so sad.
Sorry to hear that
We also call them bro-bots
@@NikkiRN-CLC I feel worse for all the people he convinced to buy what he was selling.
I don’t know who you are. Never heard of you. But, that’s not saying much because I’m not really on social media a lot! I have to say you seem very authentic and seem to have a lot of integrity. I also saw the little notice announcing you were being compensated for an ad. I appreciate that. I don’t mind people making money if they are honest. This was my first exposure to you and I am quite impressed. This was very well done. I’m going to check out your other material. Thank you for sharing this piece of information. Also, your cat is beautiful. Extra points for being a cat person!☺️🐱
Everything you said is completely accurate! Hannah is the best.
Yup, me too. Every word - including the cat.
Lets be real----A MAJORITY of the reps will just join another, or start their own, MLM.
Hi Lucy!! I agree with you.
Hey Lucy!!
Lucy!
Danielle Natoni got poached by Monat, which will fall apart like all the rest
Go watch some OnPassive videos... They all move from one mlm to the next.
Guys we gotta do something, THE DEVIL is targeting Bodi and only our wallets can stop him!
😂 omg I love this.
Gasp!
😂😂😂
The most underrated comment here !!!😂
No!! Gasp!! Not the devil, up to his old tricks!! We all need to buy Bodi from these women immediately!!
Congratulations Hannah your channel has exploded.... over 500k!!!! I started following you when you were a new creator!!!!! Excellent 🎉
“44% of our partners aren’t comfortable sharing our business opportunity…”
That’s because they try to recruit ANYONE and EVERYONE no matter their experience or expertise instead of telling the truth that the only people who (temporarily) do well in these companies are those who are good at (1) marketing and (2) recruiting, because that’s basically what you are.
I am not American and I recently discovered your channel. You’re the first TH-camr EVER I don’t need subtitles on to understand the accent! You even speak very fast at some point but I can totally understand. I don’t know what’s in your voice that’s so clear for non-native speaker like me!
She's a teacher, so she speaks very clearly and expressively
I wonder where youre from? not in a weird way, just curious... your english writing is excellent, you sound like a native!
@@disasterbi8610 Their channel says they're from the Philippines
It's almost accentless, like how English is meant to be pronounce. I don't often notice an accent listening to her. I say this as an Australian born and raised in Perth. Perth apparently is also the most similar Aussie accent to proper English 🤷♀️
@@darkydoom Really? I would have said that it was the south Australian accent that was closest proper English because of the way we pronounce certain words and we weren't colonised by convicts.
Watching this made me think about an old childhood friend of mine who lost EVERYTHING after something similar happened to her when the leggings MLM bombed. I just remember seeing the daily non-stop lives on FB she was doing to try and sell the $30k worth of leggings she had in the townhome she ended up foreclosing on shortly after. It was awful :(
Hannah, I truly appreciate how you work so hard to expose the dishonesty of these practices and YET you’re still giving empathy and kindness towards those who have been victimized and participated in the system. You’re not waiting around to mock them or say “I told you so” and I really respect that. You’re a class act, thank you for what you do.
I love that we can now tell the top earners what they’ve been telling the people at the bottom of the pyramid for years:
“You’re not making enough money? You can’t recruit enough people?
Well, you’re just not working hard enough!” 🤣
True!
Oh gosh YES 😂
Yes🎉
1:09:36 she's not joking. she's mormon and this is literally their entire MO. please look up mormons and MLMs, it's a whole thing!
I am FB friends with a former BB coach and she was with BB for 13 years and around May/June she all of a sudden quit Bodi because she “needed to move on from Bodi to a better opportunity”. She took her entire team to Green Compass. This leader brought in 10-14K a month for YEARS and suddenly jumped ship? She obviously knew something was going on with Bodi before most of the other leaders did.
I knew two girls from beach body who i noticed were slowly walking away at the end of last year and starting other ventures and have suddenly both completely walked away this fall. One of the gals now teaches others how to create e-courses similar to that of Tim Robbins and the other has latched on to the master resell rights scam.
*Tony Robbins
@@lovelornacidughhhh master resell rights is STILL going?? I let my original FB totally get deleted several months ago due to wanting to completely leave anything related to my old mlm life behind (had tons of old reels left still etc) so mlm has been out of my peripheral until I came to this video today. MRR still being active is so sad.
@@lovelornacid Master resell rights?
@@livwakethere's online courses out there that have master resell rights. If you buy the course you can resell it as your own. Many MLM huns started utilizing it and selling it to their downline. Anyway, Hannah did a great video on that topic about a year ago.
I'm 1000% sure my doctor and therapist are wayyyy more qualified to work with me and my health and weight goals then anyone who works for BODi, and that includes the CEO
Exactly, the huns don't even have any qualifications
Agree. I follow some pretty qualified doctors and nutritional experts (for example, Dr. Berg on TH-cam) and I don't think any of them think protein shakes are a good idea.
Just an fyi…MDs get anywhere between 2-24 hours of nutrition education in med school, depending on where they went to school.
@@tammiebrown8317 yeah, but they can order bloodwork to check your cholesterol and thyroid levels, which puts them way ahead of any Bodi coach/partner.
@@tammiebrown8317 still more medical and nutritional training than randos in an MLM!
Honestly BB coaches thinking they are qualified to create a fitness program bc they bought into a mlm was horrifying. The FDA should have shut them all down.
Nutrition and a bachelors in health and human performance takes more than buying shakes to resell at a higher price.
It’s crap.
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MLM huns trying to convince us that the product is great, then freaking out when they are stuck with only being able to sell the product. 😅
i have a unique relationship with beach body. my mom was apart of it. my mom is deaf and deaf people has a strong sense of community. her "coach" preyed on that with her basic asl skills and took advantage of my mom who just went through an intense health scare. and my mom got roped into it sadly. she left it sometime ago thank goodness
I am so sorry that you mom was sucked into this toxic things i hope that person has learnt their lessons now 🤞❤️
That's another level of awful
I was into MLMs for a bit, not too successful/active but I fully believed in the model until my husband asked me some eye opening questions: do you have a say on what price is set on these products? Are you consulted when it comes to marketing? How much input do you have when it comes to the composition of these products?
If your answer is no or none then it’s not YOUR business. That was it for me.
I have a friend that is one of their top people or whatever they call them. She goes on all the trips and every post is about her diet and workouts. I didn’t know what it was so I asked how she lost the weight…..it took me over a year to get her to stop trying to get me to buy like $200 worth of supplements just to get started! It was crazy expensive and she lives and breathes this shit! I was so clueless and my husband had just passed so I was a little lost and almost got on board thankfully I trusted not only my gut but she was way too eager for me to “join” her. She messaged me so much it actually scared me away! Thank goodness! She is always posting her vacations they send her on and the home she just built. I love your MLM videos/warnings!
Im saying this as someone who's had to watch people struggle with this time and time again, not with the intent to question you or your friend, so please don't take it that way. But the people you spend the most time with aren't your friends by default. They can be, but it's not an immediate indicator. Your friends want the best for you, and if they can't always do that, they'll let you know or do better. I'm not saying don't converse with others or be kind, extend it if you'd like. But please be careful with who you pull into your inner circle
@@justinetillman4851wise words!
I know a Bodi hun that has been with them since they started and is at the top. She wasn't upset. She said it was an "opportunity for more growth" and then promptly announced she would start selling wellness masterclasses, which I feel like you said is pretty common 😂 so I chuckled.
Scammers gonna scam. 😄
I genuinely love that you’ve stopped apologizing for Zeek, and it makes me smile when he walks infront of you and you keep talking like he’s not there lol! Keep up the good work!
I lost a lot of weight in 2019 and had beach body girls in my DMs constantly trying to recruit me as a partner. To promote my weight loss - that I did not use beachbody to achieve lol. I will not be buying anything from them anytime soon.
My friend had a very similar experience… after losing a ton of weight following a gastric bypass. Like…?
Yep they recruited people that way. Snake oil!
I was bombarded with mlm huns who were "friend of a friend of a friend" to me when I got super sick in 2022 and lost 35lbs in 3 months. I was bedbound and felt/looked awful but these girlies thought I should use my drastic (and very unhealthy) weight loss to schill their crap. So gross and predatory.
@@a697agso sorry you experienced that!! Shows that they don’t give a shit abt “health,” only about the treasured before and after pictures 🙄 I hope you are doing better these days and have reached a(n actual) healthy equilibrium!
@@guyanomalysame here!
Carl: the business model was outdated and flawed
Also Carl: people weren’t “leveraging” this failed system properly
It’s always the reps fault no matter what. The enraging thing is he always knew it would fail. He was warned for decades. He just lied for as long as he could while he was making money. Now that he’s not, he’s doing a 180 as if it’s based on new and surprising information
We have banned MLMs/financial pyramids in Europe, take your lesson US!
Half the country just took back their narcissistic ex of a president. It’s going to be a long while before we can act on any lessons unfortunately 😫 Wish us luck
Europe is all one country with a single law making body?
If mlm's are banned in Europe, why are there still mlm's in Europe?
Financial pyramids do exist in Europe. Look at every corporation, they start with a CEO and boar of directors then you have presidents, vps, shareholders, regional managers, district managers and so on. All corporations are pyramids.
I have zero respect for Bodi at all but can say that allowing the ranks to freeze as is was the most considerate thing we’ve seen one of these companies do when they take away the downlines
Non-American here and I find it kind of strange that those reps talk about god, god helping them through this etc. In my country it would feel weird/inappropriate for someone to talk about their religion in a business context or when it's not a private conversation with a close friend. So is this an MLM thing or just more common in the USA. It just feels so culty to me when reps talk like that
It’s more common in the US - not that MLMs aren’t culty in other ways
It’s weird here too.
It is both more common in the US in general, AND it's even more common among MLM huns than that.
Idk about BODi, but so many MLM's are owned by Mormons and Mormons work for MLM's in droves, so in many cases it's like a cult within a cult.
Carl effectively stole everyone's customers after using them to build the business. He is eliminating a huge overhead expense because I'm sure he expects a lot of partners to quit. Now he has all their customers and doesn't have to pay out huge commissions, all is well in Carl-land. He screwed his employees over they way they've been screwing customers over for years.
That's how mlms work. It's exactly what happened to my sister. We all told her she'd get ripped off and she still acted surprised when it happened.
COOPER!! 😭He has the ultimate beach bod ❤
He's a glossy lil hunk boi
So for years these reps have been saying that being a bodi rep is exactly like an affiliate program and when it changes to an actual affiliate program they freak out.
Carl pretending he actually gives a shit about any of them is laughable. All he cares about is the money flowing into his pockets.
Also if they truely made all their money from sales like they claimed they wouldn’t be so upset about the change, so clearly they are just admitting that the majority of their money comes from the recruiting and the people under them.
If youre doing that well, why dont they have a savings to fall back on. Sounds like a lot of people living at the top of their income.
Why haven’t they used the money to start other businesses or buy rentals for income?
I thought you said "crappy language" instead of "CRAFTY language" and I was like, damn Hanna is spicy today 😅
😂😂😅😅
That was your brain autocorrecting to the appropriate language
Pumpkin pie cat mommy hannah slaying with straight forward language 🎀💅
I’ve never joined an MLM. Never almost joined an MLM. But you communicate and organize your ideas in such an engaging way I always watch your videos anyway.
Didn't realize this video was 1.5 hrs long. Wow! I am binge watching all your videos. Listening to you is very soothing irrespective of serious the topic is.
Two reasons I will continue to stay far away from BODi:
1.) their track record of toxic business practices does not stop at the MLM. They have been ruining people’s relationship with food for decades.
2.) I would never trust a personal trainer that was willing to work with an MLM business structure. I’d much rather seek out training and programs from people with good moral compasses.
And there are plenty of other workout programs and trainers that are good. The Get Ripped workouts by Jari Love are really good.
Autumn is the worst!
"we're losing money even though there's millions of fatties to milk cash from... its gotta be our reps who have the problem"
😂😂
😂
He gets even more money now that the money doesn't go to the reps anymore 🤣
As a former BB Coach, I will never support them. They can change their compensation plan but the messaging is still problematic and the supplements and shakes are still subpar.
My dad has an actual business that he owns. My parents both worked there when I was a baby and my parents said they had a heart to heart with each other that they can’t both work their full time because what if it doesn’t work. So my mom got a corporate job. Thank God. In 2008 there was a horrible flood, 6ish feet of water in the building, and we are in a 500 year flood plane. My dad didn’t have an income for 6-7 months. I can’t imagine if it was both my parent’s income.
They are ALL jumping to other MLMs. Even the ones that haven’t been doing anything with Bodi in years. It is actually insane (and disgusting) how quickly they have all moved on to the next grift. Most of them were enrolled in a new MLM within a WEEK. It is laughable. My inbox was flooded with people trying to recruit me too. NO THANKS.
do you know any of the "influencers"-bodi partners instagrams? I would like to see what they are doing
I’m actually so happy to hear this. I love beach body workouts and have been doing them since like, 2005 with Slim & Six and I loved that I could change up my workouts and love the feeling of finishing a whole program. We did P90x and Insanity in college. When I learned they were an MLM I cancelled my membership because I do not support MLMs. I’m excited to see how this unfolds over the next few months or years to see if I could potentially return to them. I don’t that I can do it any time soon, but I do think if someone sees err in their ways and changes their plan then it could be possible. In the meantime I’ll check out Heather Robinson- thanks for the rec!
Yeah, I'm torn after finding out about this. I love their workouts and use them regularly, but have never gone beyond that with shakeology, coaching, and whatnot. My subscription just renewed, but if I can find similar streaming programs I'll move elsewhere when it's up.
The company knows customers won't remember to fill out the affiliate number. The company benefits by not having to pay out commission which will be a revenue stream for them. They no longer need the top tier and they're not going to do anything to keep them.
This was my exact thought. I've been seeing this happening on TikTok Shop recently, where companies skip over the affiliates/content creators and post the content themselves to prevent paying out a commission. There's no other reason but greed!
I have a Facebook "friend" who was in BODi. I expected a small crisis also from her part, but no. She was very calm and understanding about it. A few days later, she posted that she is now in Shaklee...
Shaklee??! My Mom sold Shaklee in the 80's. Crazy.
Its hilarious that these people aren't learning a single lesson, just moving on to another scam
Oooh, that’s a new one to me! Off to find some anti-MLM videos shredding it to pieces lmao
@@Anna-dd4rh it is the fist time I heard of that one too! With this name, I thought they sold shakes but it is more vitamins, supplements, beauty products and whatever... lateley, this person is posting a lot about a "thing" that is supposed to be able to do the same effect as botox? 😒
@@MaryBeeRay weird… I also would’ve thought shakes.
I’m not sure what’s worse, trying to freeze your face with untested junk or trying to lose tons of weight with untested junk (looking at you, “just like Ozempic!” grifters). Regardless, health scams are the worst 😤
Have been binging your videos over the holidays - especially these types of videos as a reminder about all the people and companies trying to capitalize on new year's insecurities. I turned 40 last year and I'm wanting to take better care of my body - plus I'm getting married this year and am feeling the pressure. I went over to Heather's channel and tried a video of hers and I can see why you fangirl. What an incredibly positive and supportive person! Thanks so much for discussing the stories you do while also providing excellent (and free) alternatives! Much love ❤️
Love this! Look up Lindsay Matway.. assuming the last one here was referring to her. She raked in the millions and was #1 at one point. Now that BB has "transitioned to an affiliate model" (her words) she's "launching her 5th business with MAKE Wellness" and of course has invited all her fb followers to jump in with her -- to yet another MLM!! Where she'll probably make another million because she has such a large following and as we all know, the money comes from all the people you recruit under you. So annoying and I wish there was a way to tell all those women that not only was BB an MLM, but so it this new company!
Scammers gonna scam, unfortunately 😖
I know a girl that was a Beachbody "coach." I knew her from middle school and she only ever reached out to me as an adult when she was trying to get clients. Last time it was right after a bad breakup and a subsequent cross country move back to the state I grew up in. I knew practically no one when I moved back and was just looking for a friend. When she reached out she initially acted like she just wanted to be a friend to me and within a few texts she started pitching Beachbody and basically said it would be good for my self esteem to get in shape and that is was a good community. I told her it was kind of offensive to pitch what I already believed to be an MLM to me in my lowest moment when I just needed a friend to talk to. She kept trying to spin it as something sincere but when you really want to help a friend it doesn't entail a fee and a contract. She was all in on Beachbody and went to all their events and it just felt like a cult. I haven't been on socials for some time to see how she's doing but I hope she eventually was able to walk away from that scam
One of my grade school / Sunday school acquaintances was super into Beach Body, and found me on social media. She went all "oh, I always loved you so much when we were kids!" and I was like "April, my dude, you wouldn't give me the time of day back then, what are you selling?" I wonder what she's selling now?
👏👏👏 “When you really want to help a friend it doesn’t entail a fee and a contract” 👏👏👏
I'm sitting here listening to him talk about obesity rates while I'm sitting on the couch munching on jalapeno kettle chips.😂😂
I don't even feel bad...