I said something similar in a Facebook group about an element of the reactivity (in your case Aggression) that the dog enjoys. They claimed it was only fear and stress. But there's an element that is rewarding. The act of barking in and of itself is rewarding. It makes the dog feel good and powerful. And it's usually been working for the dog. And that's why some trainers get stuck, especially force free. Because the the barking and lunging is more rewarding then any positive reinforcement that they're offering.
Absolutely loved watching you realize the issue with the misses. So good to have others helping out, and to watch a person willing to be open to improvement.
Amen brother! Most force free trainers and veterinary behaviourists don't understand true working dogs and how they try to cope in pet homes... I am a veterinarian who lives with a large pack of working breed dogs. People come to me for drugs to "fix" their dog's behaviour. I start by talking about what their particular breed of dog was originally bred to do. Give them some simple tips about how to allow them express their genetic desires in a constructive manner. And then I direct them to a good local balanced trainer or point them to TH-camrs like you! Keep up the good work!!!
Gappay is a big schutzen brand Michael Ellis has been teaching rules of playing tug for years. Jerry Bradshaw’s podcast has episode of drive capping Misses, running back, giving it back right away, and adding ob for capping
Paused TWC podcast to come watch these. Really interested to learn more about the logic of how you diagnose and approach how to use different types of play to deal with different types of issues. Interesting to hear a new way of thinking. More content Sir. Thanks, from Western Australia
Would you play Chase and Catch and possession games in the same session? If you do, is there a way to transition between both games? If not, do you choose which game to play in the moment or let the dog decide?
Ivan mentioned that you should play them separately until they have a good understanding and joy with both games. I would say if your dog doesn’t have behavioural issues and enjoys one game more than the other then there’s no harm in letting them decide
Would implementing her continuation marker when she counters you tugging with her own force allow her to mentally realize you want her to actively fight your tugging?
Where do you make the decision to stop play as -p vs take away the tug ( the difference being you choose to stop the interaction vs simply taking prey item away?)
Hey Dylan, I have a question if you dont mind. I have an almost 3 year old intact male finnish lapphund. He is/was very dog reactive (frustration based, our fault for over-socialising poorly, first dog) on leashe but we have been working trough that with different methods and its much much better now. I'm focusing more on play lately, watching Cheryl from lead offleashe K9, Ivans podcasts, some Michael Ellis stuff. In the house and our garden he loves to play, I do tug and fetch with him. But if we're outside at a spot where many dogs have been, he gets too distracted by smells and won't really play. Sporadically he might play for a short time, but I can't get the play to be more interesting to him than the smells. With fetch for example he'll chase the ball but then not pick it up and start sniffing instead, or have no drive to play tug. Any tips to improve this? Or should I just keep the playing to the low distraction environments to fullfill his needs for that, and don't bother playing in the high distraction environments?
Hey, we had similar problem with our dog reactive Mal, loves play, but not on a walk. With ours it helps to "make him" play even if he is distracted, short leash and we do some monkey dancing until he starts engaging with the toy and really do stuff that he otherwise loves, and then make it worthwhile for him ☺️ This seems to work for us, there is still obviously days that it won't work, but I feel like it's mostly on my side on not having the will to go all out on play 🙈
@Hetyno7 yeah maybe I should try it with a leashe in these instances. I normally play with him without a leashe, but yeah, environments with too many smells distract him
I said something similar in a Facebook group about an element of the reactivity (in your case Aggression) that the dog enjoys. They claimed it was only fear and stress. But there's an element that is rewarding. The act of barking in and of itself is rewarding. It makes the dog feel good and powerful. And it's usually been working for the dog. And that's why some trainers get stuck, especially force free. Because the the barking and lunging is more rewarding then any positive reinforcement that they're offering.
Really well said
I’d love to see more of these…. Lots I can learn!
Absolutely loved watching you realize the issue with the misses. So good to have others helping out, and to watch a person willing to be open to improvement.
i really love these videos with dogs who have issues playing and you working on solving that
Amen brother! Most force free trainers and veterinary behaviourists don't understand true working dogs and how they try to cope in pet homes... I am a veterinarian who lives with a large pack of working breed dogs. People come to me for drugs to "fix" their dog's behaviour. I start by talking about what their particular breed of dog was originally bred to do. Give them some simple tips about how to allow them express their genetic desires in a constructive manner. And then I direct them to a good local balanced trainer or point them to TH-camrs like you! Keep up the good work!!!
Great Job Of Training! What about adding a lot of Human vocal encouragement while playing tug? the oldest dog trainer, Dave Byer
Gappay is a big schutzen brand
Michael Ellis has been teaching rules of playing tug for years. Jerry Bradshaw’s podcast has episode of drive capping
Misses, running back, giving it back right away, and adding ob for capping
Nice work brother! Really enjoyed this!
Paused TWC podcast to come watch these.
Really interested to learn more about the logic of how you diagnose and approach how to use different types of play to deal with different types of issues.
Interesting to hear a new way of thinking.
More content Sir.
Thanks, from Western Australia
Would you play Chase and Catch and possession games in the same session? If you do, is there a way to transition between both games? If not, do you choose which game to play in the moment or let the dog decide?
Interesting question, i'm interested to know too
Ivan mentioned that you should play them separately until they have a good understanding and joy with both games.
I would say if your dog doesn’t have behavioural issues and enjoys one game more than the other then there’s no harm in letting them decide
Would implementing her continuation marker when she counters you tugging with her own force allow her to mentally realize you want her to actively fight your tugging?
Yes, it's amazing for the work. This is something I do with my own dog, during tug time at home & bitework with trained decoys.
Good thinking
Where do you make the decision to stop play as -p vs take away the tug ( the difference being you choose to stop the interaction vs simply taking prey item away?)
If I grabbed it to take it away, she’d interpret it as me getting ready for fetch, keeping us trapped in the cycle
How do you separate fetch versus tug and not have them keeping the toy when you play fetch?
A leash & reinforcement
Hey Dylan,
I have a question if you dont mind.
I have an almost 3 year old intact male finnish lapphund. He is/was very dog reactive (frustration based, our fault for over-socialising poorly, first dog) on leashe but we have been working trough that with different methods and its much much better now.
I'm focusing more on play lately, watching Cheryl from lead offleashe K9, Ivans podcasts, some Michael Ellis stuff.
In the house and our garden he loves to play, I do tug and fetch with him. But if we're outside at a spot where many dogs have been, he gets too distracted by smells and won't really play. Sporadically he might play for a short time, but I can't get the play to be more interesting to him than the smells. With fetch for example he'll chase the ball but then not pick it up and start sniffing instead, or have no drive to play tug.
Any tips to improve this?
Or should I just keep the playing to the low distraction environments to fullfill his needs for that, and don't bother playing in the high distraction environments?
Hey, we had similar problem with our dog reactive Mal, loves play, but not on a walk. With ours it helps to "make him" play even if he is distracted, short leash and we do some monkey dancing until he starts engaging with the toy and really do stuff that he otherwise loves, and then make it worthwhile for him ☺️
This seems to work for us, there is still obviously days that it won't work, but I feel like it's mostly on my side on not having the will to go all out on play 🙈
@Hetyno7 yeah maybe I should try it with a leashe in these instances. I normally play with him without a leashe, but yeah, environments with too many smells distract him
Maybe when you out, immediately back up to get her prey drive back onto it?
You say re*arded a lot....makes me cringe every time 😂 old school lingo...