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Training stream: Negative Punishment | Confidence Building
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Homie, my neck has a kink in it now. Nice info though. Raw no filter! Like it
I so need your help …. This is my dog … I’ve tried just about everything - just wondering for safety if I should muzzle him when trying this ? He is a strong GSD also , I dont want him attacking another dog if he gets away from me.
When I started my dog training journey at Petco, the mentor that was training new trainers, said me that all aggressions are fear based. I said what about protection sports, or guardian dogs, she said there are scared too. I couldn’t convince her that some dogs can like aggression and biting
What if you live in a city and have to walk through the streets first, (and see dogs there) until you get to grass or forest?
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During regular sessions (when not streaming), do you have undemanding time built in? As in being "distracted" , talking to "no one" , disinterested in them in between interactions - is this an intentional part of your process?
Would be great to edit this video, just to add on to the end the recent video of her knocking you on your ass and dancing around in celebration! Such awesome growth!
The "out" wast most likely conditioned when she only got a hold things she shouldn't have i.e. slippers, socks, etc... Probably ONLY heard that world when she was in trouble and human was presenting awful energy. I have seen this before and that was my best guess... Nice work here!!
I figured this out already, thought it was common sense. People have been hyping your name everywhere I read, so I thought maybe you would be different. But this video is no better than the others. HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US FOR FREE IN DETAIL what you do in the second, third and fourth lesson on fixing reactivity? I have a dog who is not a fan of people, children and letting him leash free or long line is not possible obviously all the time. I know everything you stated already, but no one has stated the fix yet, they just criticise every methods, give opinion and throw in a small tip. Be different and train for free on your channel. Dozens of very capable trainers are quick to use their platform for 15min of rinse and repeat commentary. No real useful training for free. What do u guys think dog owners are going to do? Hire the trainers who are offering training! Learn the methods that are being shown for free.
Skill issue. It’s not my fault your dog sucks
My GSD seems a bit like Wynne in the sens that if we encounter something and i recall him and keep him with me , in his head that person must be bad because he doesn't want me to interact with him
Thankyou for the downtime-petting tip. I guess it's tsking advantage of positive endorphins. Will definitely implement.
Little known Dylan Jones fact: great whistler
What about online training courses? I understand what you mean by having someone critique and give feedback. But can one become a good trainer by buying online courses? Is it an avenue you would encourage?
Question. I usually use leash pressure for negative reinforcement. It's when the pressure is removed that's reinforcing. When you do those pops with the flat collar. It looks to me more like a punishment event that isn't aversive enough to be actually punishing. Which is perhaps why I think you are having to repeat it. -R pressure should be release the moment the desired behaviour is achieved. So I don't know why you'd use leash pops. To me it looks lie +P. But wrong tool. Wouldn't just constant stim at working level and then removing stim when she downs be better if your wanting to reinforce the down/heel. Or even if you don't want to use ecollar. Light directional leash pressure. The pops aren't "released" at point of compliance. So I think it'd confusing. Also what does "no" mean in your training? Can't you have 2 marks that say. "Incorrect-im going to help you with -R" "Incorrect- You are about to receive punishment.
The punishment isn’t about how aversive it is, it’s about how the dog feels about it. You see when he goes from -r to +p he takes the dog away couple steps away and uses the leash plus his body pressure plus the “no” and you can see the dog starts to feel bad. I’m still learning the difference but from what I’ve seen from him and other twc trainers is that subtle difference
@@WR4SSE intensity has no bearing on what is reinforcing or punishing
-R crosses over into +p when a stim goes from annoying (pressure) that's a relief when it stops. To pain/discomfort that you actively want to avoid. That's why I'm talking about timing and how they're deployed. The way to know if the dog "actually " found it punishing is if the dog avoids it. Yes. It is all about perception. And timing and intensity and drive is what create that perception.
@@DylanJones-iw6cnI'm actually not trolling you. The dogs perception is everything of course. I think I'm mainly trying to clean up definitions If you are popping a dog on a collar as a consequence for not doing something she knows. You are attempting to punish the act of breaking a known command(leash pops)[she decided if its actually punishing]. It's not negative reinforcement. Because it doesn't "reinforce" a wanted behaviour. If I'm missing something please tell me. Your comment about intensity having no bearing? Can you please explain what you mean? If I get a $5 speeding fine. I might speed more -R $50k speeding fine I might take the train.+P Timing is communication and intensity of affect how the dog perceive. I appreciate your videos I find your thoughts process and problem solving very interesting. But some of what you've said here doesn't fit my understanding of oporant conditioning. (I was talking about the Wynn session)
@@WR4SSEyour understanding of -R and +P is inaccurate, and unfortunately you won't find out why in the comments section of a TH-cam video. Ivan's course is expensive for a reason, and worth it.
Hi Dylan, thank you for your videos. I have been following your progress with this dog, I remember you mentioning the history of the dog being with an university student and crated for absurd amounts of time, then I noticed she have trouble playing tug, then the out and now the heel. considering the breed is hard for me not to think about this dog being the victim of some wannabe sport training, probably IGP or something like that tried forcing their will upon this dog thru pure punishment and abusive methods instead of dog training. Probably she was a great dog for this but whoever acquired her had a fix goal in mind with no regard for this dog. I’m wondering how common this might be, specially with all the advance obedience videos that are out there, there is too much coincidence that she struggles so hard with these specific commands and the fact that she was having so much distrust and aggression towards humans. I do appreciate all sports dogs, but specially the protection dog sports and can imagine people willing to damage dogs For or this purpose, I know that there are no clubs or competitions where someone like this will be accepted. I’m so glad that you end up taking this case and I really hope that whomever end-up adopting her, have truly honest intentions. Best of the best and thanks again for you great work
Forgive my ignorance. I'm newer to this style of training, so I'm just looking for clarity. I noticed when you punish, you give some social pressure which clearly works, but you also repeat "no" several times sometimes. Is there anything wrong with repeating the punisher marker?
The "no" marker has been conditioned as a punisher. So each time he says it it's acting as the aversive itself. You can tell by how the dog reacts to it. So he's essentially drawing out the duration of the punishment event. At least that's my take on it. For punishment, you can either up the aversive or the duration to achieve punishment. So while Dylan might be skilled enough and knows the dog well enough to identify that as punishment. The only true way to know if it's punishment is to run it back again. If it's decreased the intensity or duration of the behavior then you've achieved punishment. If not then you didn't. The dog is the one who decides if it's punishment. You then have two options. Up the aversive or the duration of aversive. Also like to add that punishment doesn't have to be physical. Just anything the dog finds aversive. Social pressure, social isolation, and withholding rewards could all be adverse to the dog. Yet none of them are physical.
@@pr0spect4139 Thanks for the reply. That all makes sense to me having watched the Jay presentation on punishment as well. And clearly repeating it worked, so I'm not questioning the method, just trying to better understand its usage. I also know from the lecture that the interruptor can be the punisher in many cases as well so in this case it is working as both.
@BrianGwaltney that's exactly what I'm doing. Just trying to learn from trainers that I look up to and know more than me. I could be way off on that. I'd be curious to hear what Dylan says on that.
My dog does the heel like that sometimes, he gets to excited and points towards toy, anticipating it. Also thanks for posting this, tend to miss the lives due to time zone change.
Great video! Indeed reality dog training. Thanks to Larry for recommending following you...
When I'm working with a dog that freaks out with the "sound" of the word "heel", mostly because the owner didn't understand what they were doing, let alone the dog understanding it, I switch the command to "foos", which usually makes it better. Then when the dog understands what is expected I switch back to heel if that's what the owner wants. Also, and sorry to critique as I'm one of those 100 out of 100 trainers that doesn't know what he's doing, but it seemed to me that Wynne didn't understand heel when she was 10 feet behind you. She understood it very well when she was in front of you and performed it perfectly every time. So I guess I'm saying it didn't seem like she was screwing up on purpose; she just wasn't sure what to do from that position.
Glorious two hour training stream. Praise be
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Enjoying your technique, only just come across your videos, I live across the pond in London,England, and I have recently rescued a female,working line Gsd and she has just turned 1 yr. she was 8mth old when she came to me, she is fear leash reactive I don’t think it comes from a place of aggression, she is proving to be a handful! I be tryed to implement some training that I’ve learned from my research on you tube( various different trainers) without much success but I am sure that I also probably need some guidance/training myself too, I can’t seem to find enough alfa, cos her behaviours are getting worse and I need to find some thing that’s gonna work or I won’t be able to keep her long term and that would brake my heart, I love what you’re doing with Wynn, she reminds me of mine too, her name is Luna & I’m desperate for some help and advice that is simple enough for me understand & implicate immediately! Thanks again, Mandy
I guarantee that 100% of people against punishment would not have known you were using punishment in this video without you stating it. They would have 100% thought the negative reinforcement you used (leash pops) was the punishment.
Thank you it’s extremely helpful if you can post these either here or on the Patreon! I’m always with dogs when ur streaming….
Thanks a lot for the content. Your stuff is awesome. I’ve bought a few of Ivan’s courses, and they’re all worth every penny. However, I’ve missed this kind of content where the TWC method is demonstrated in real-world scenarios with challenging dogs like Wynne. I have a question about the broken "heel" command: wouldn’t it be easier to abandon that word ("heel") and use a different one instead, teaching the dog to walk on the other side? This way, the new word would be free from any negative associations...?
around minute 30 or 31 he starts explaining exactly that
@Ana-tn7tz I'm literally at this part right now! I should have watched all the thing first 🤣 Nonetheless, thanks for the answer.
Big brain comment. For real, impressive thought process.
Is there any concern about possession games with dog’s who resource guard? Learning cooperative play seems like such an important tool, but how does one ensure it doesn’t build into its own gsurding@?
Great stuff man. I hope you keep uploading to TH-cam as much as Instagram. It's a little easier to watch TH-cam content on my larger TV but I'll take whatever we get lol
Definitely owe you guys these livestreams. I should have a couple more getting uploaded tomorrow
@@DylanJones-iw6cn that would be awesome. I try to watch stuff on Instagram but the long content especially sucks to be glued to a phone for awhile haha. I'm actually considering taking Ivan's course from your channels and that podcast episode. There are so many dogs like this around me....I try helping because so many people are terrified like it's a lion or something it's just a dog being a jerk temporarily, but this would level me up big time!
Wish i had showed up when this was live. Will watch now
You say re*arded a lot....makes me cringe every time 😂 old school lingo...
I would of continued to watch your video, and I wasn’t able to. Maybe cut down the cussing? Not criticizing you. I wouldn’t feel comfortable sending your video to my dog friends either . 🤗
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Hi Dylan, do u know about any good course in Australia? Or any trainer that does hands on course not just online? Thanks a lot for any advice.❤
I will say my dog can be leash reactive but I find he is much better behaved off leash. His big trigger is cars and if we are walking and playing in the yard outside the fence he doesn't really mind them much.
Thank you for the great video! I’ve been working on getting more involved with dog training. I purchased Ivan's puppy bundle and have been using it to play and train with my dog, and I’ve also completed several of Michael Ellis's online courses. I reached out to local shelters, but many either have waitlists for volunteers or don’t respond. To stay active, I signed up for Rover to offer daycare and boarding services, which gives me the opportunity to walk, play, and train with different dogs. Do you have any recommendations for other ways to gain more hands-on experience?
Ask friends or family to train their dogs for free.
Great Job Of Training! What about adding a lot of Human vocal encouragement while playing tug? the oldest dog trainer, Dave Byer
I know *exactly* what my fear aggressive dog will do on a long line scenario - he will attack the dog that’s coming towards us when it gets within striking distance. So for the safety of other dogs I will continue with a structured heel - giving him no option but to comply to where I am going. I don’t correct him for eyeballing another dog, I correct for not heeling. He used to bark and lunge towards them, now he knows to heel and not do that behaviour. If he’s off lead and we see another dog ahead, without any command from me he will recall to the heel position, removing himself from the situation. But if the other dog approaches him he will attack it. So the best I can do is manage that. He is that 1% of dogs you mention which cannot be fixed.
I also have one like this 😢
Hiding the dog in obedience is never the answer
My dog would run to the end of a 50 foot line, had to use the e collar 😂
Game changing advice!!!!🙌🏻
This is a really great video and advice for anyone with reactivity. I have a very reactive GSD myself, and it's incredible how the long line makes such a HUGE difference. My GSD is still a crazy MF, but, it's night and day difference when he's on a long line, or just an e-collar w/tab leash for close control IF i had to grab him. I do think it's important that in a controlled environment they understand leash manners and not to pull ect. heel command. Again, great video and advice.
How would a chunky flirt pole work so that those of us that are not as physically fit as our dog?
Where can I get a list of dates and times of your seminars with Larry and Ivan