Great Video! really helped me understand both their roles and uses. Was just doing a course on Dante via AVIXA, and did a quick Google to try and understand why I would use one over the other and this explained it all briliantly and in very plain English. thanks man!
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NDI also support sync via PTP. It is just that it is only support via Advance SDK which require licensing and pay a royalty to NDI / Vizrt. So technically speaking, NDI video can also be sync just that a lot of the lower cost solutions out there does not implement the Sync feature. As for Dante AV-H, although it is claim to be a software based solutions, that's not entirely true at the moment. There are no official SDK that software developer can design software that can directly output Dante AV. Dante AV-H is still very much targetting hardware OEM who can use DanteAV-H to rewrite new firmware or software for their SOC to output Dante to allow wider adoption. THis is similar to NDI HX1, 2 and 3 which uses H264 and 265 codec. However, with Dante AV-H, you lose the common time clock and sync feature. Where as with NDI, if software developer or hardware developer who want to support it, they can have PTP Sync incorporated even with NDI HX 1/2/3. Dante AV for Video will only ever be good for the old school AV professional who like plug and play setup. But anything that are using software solutions to create shows (Pixera, Watchout, Disguise, vMix, OBS, etc etc), any of these people will never gonna be able to use Dante AV because there are simple no software layer to allow directly input and output from a computer into their media system. In the future, someone might make a PCI-E Dante AV capture card and you can use that to feed Dante video into media solutions, but then you are going back into the world of video capture back into some kind of UVC driver [absolute madness if that were to happen]. (note: I am sure Dante is full capable to offer an SDK, but this fundamentally goes against their business model, which is to sell you their chipset to manufactures who makes their hardware). So in todays world where everything is going the direction of software define architecture. NDI is the way to go really. Dante as a solution although will be easier to use for those who are not software savve, but the Dante AV solution are limited by Audinate business model.
@@BZBTVchannel sure, IMAG is where you have video screens either side of a stage, like at a music festival or maybe a large conference. The performance happening on stage is magnified so the audience not close to the stage can see the performers face close up. If the switcher has too much latency it looks bad for the audience as the sound will be heard before the lips move. You cannot really add an audio delay to live music to make them sync so the less latency a switcher adds the better if will be. As this is effectively a computer with a capture card there will definitely be some latency, my question is how much latency. You can test latency by playing a rolling time code image on a laptop, point a camera that is connected to the switcher at the laptop then take a photograph of both laptop and switcher output screens and compare the time difference.
@@VideoColServices Thanks for taking the time to explain. Our team will look more into this and also communicate with the Audinate team to see if they've tested for this already. We'll get back to you shortly.
@@VideoColServices this is what we got from Audinate. "As for the latency question, that will be a very in depth answer. In short Dante AV adds 8ms of latency from screen to screen. Now there is also latency built into the camera as well that should be accounted for. Because audio latency is faster then video, in Dante Controller, there is a built in audio slide to adjust the audio and match up with the video. Also, there is a great webinar/case study that we did using Dante AV that spans to multiple different locations and different musicians at each location. Using Dante AV and Dante audio, the musicians saw each other and played lived with one another over an internet link. So yes latency is in play here, however it did not prevent everyone from playing, seeing, and hearing each other." copy paste link below, hope this helps answer your question a little bit, Webinar: Peltrix takes Dante over distance with Blue Note Entertainment Group | Audinate | Dante Pro AV Networking
@@BZBTVchannel thank you for taking the time to get the relevant information and passing it on. 8ms latency is a lot less than I was expecting, I may well look at going that direction. It will be interesting to see what equipment is released utilising Dante for AV signals.
Couldn't make it through the video. That hiss is brutal man. I'm a firm believer that you don't need crazy expensive gear to make good content, but when the subject matter is actually AV, I think taking some time to get the sound in order would lend some credibility to your words. Framing is a bit to close, the white balance is ice cold and the light needs more diffusio. Maybe an actual background as well, but all that is secondary to the sound. Good luck man.
Too bad it doesn’t support Dante which most pro/prosumer audio gear supports these days. The only thing I have that uses NDI is some PTZ cameras that aren’t even on the same network with all the Dante stuff.
Great Video! really helped me understand both their roles and uses. Was just doing a course on Dante via AVIXA, and did a quick Google to try and understand why I would use one over the other and this explained it all briliantly and in very plain English. thanks man!
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Thanks for this explanation + comparison!
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Thanks for the overview, that's really helpful! God bless you!
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Good information. Thank you!!
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NDI also support sync via PTP. It is just that it is only support via Advance SDK which require licensing and pay a royalty to NDI / Vizrt. So technically speaking, NDI video can also be sync just that a lot of the lower cost solutions out there does not implement the Sync feature.
As for Dante AV-H, although it is claim to be a software based solutions, that's not entirely true at the moment. There are no official SDK that software developer can design software that can directly output Dante AV. Dante AV-H is still very much targetting hardware OEM who can use DanteAV-H to rewrite new firmware or software for their SOC to output Dante to allow wider adoption. THis is similar to NDI HX1, 2 and 3 which uses H264 and 265 codec. However, with Dante AV-H, you lose the common time clock and sync feature. Where as with NDI, if software developer or hardware developer who want to support it, they can have PTP Sync incorporated even with NDI HX 1/2/3.
Dante AV for Video will only ever be good for the old school AV professional who like plug and play setup. But anything that are using software solutions to create shows (Pixera, Watchout, Disguise, vMix, OBS, etc etc), any of these people will never gonna be able to use Dante AV because there are simple no software layer to allow directly input and output from a computer into their media system. In the future, someone might make a PCI-E Dante AV capture card and you can use that to feed Dante video into media solutions, but then you are going back into the world of video capture back into some kind of UVC driver [absolute madness if that were to happen]. (note: I am sure Dante is full capable to offer an SDK, but this fundamentally goes against their business model, which is to sell you their chipset to manufactures who makes their hardware).
So in todays world where everything is going the direction of software define architecture. NDI is the way to go really. Dante as a solution although will be easier to use for those who are not software savve, but the Dante AV solution are limited by Audinate business model.
This is really good insight and informative. Thank you.
Dante has an SDK. for audio. I believe they're working on one for video. Should be a game changer once released. Cheers
Is the latency on Dante low enough for imag?
Can you expand a little more on imag?
@@BZBTVchannel sure, IMAG is where you have video screens either side of a stage, like at a music festival or maybe a large conference. The performance happening on stage is magnified so the audience not close to the stage can see the performers face close up. If the switcher has too much latency it looks bad for the audience as the sound will be heard before the lips move. You cannot really add an audio delay to live music to make them sync so the less latency a switcher adds the better if will be. As this is effectively a computer with a capture card there will definitely be some latency, my question is how much latency.
You can test latency by playing a rolling time code image on a laptop, point a camera that is connected to the switcher at the laptop then take a photograph of both laptop and switcher output screens and compare the time difference.
@@VideoColServices Thanks for taking the time to explain. Our team will look more into this and also communicate with the Audinate team to see if they've tested for this already. We'll get back to you shortly.
@@VideoColServices this is what we got from Audinate. "As for the latency question, that will be a very in depth answer. In short Dante AV adds 8ms of latency from screen to screen. Now there is also latency built into the camera as well that should be accounted for. Because audio latency is faster then video, in Dante Controller, there is a built in audio slide to adjust the audio and match up with the video. Also, there is a great webinar/case study that we did using Dante AV that spans to multiple different locations and different musicians at each location. Using Dante AV and Dante audio, the musicians saw each other and played lived with one another over an internet link. So yes latency is in play here, however it did not prevent everyone from playing, seeing, and hearing each other."
copy paste link below, hope this helps answer your question a little bit,
Webinar: Peltrix takes Dante over distance with Blue Note Entertainment Group | Audinate | Dante Pro AV Networking
@@BZBTVchannel thank you for taking the time to get the relevant information and passing it on. 8ms latency is a lot less than I was expecting, I may well look at going that direction. It will be interesting to see what equipment is released utilising Dante for AV signals.
Couldn't make it through the video. That hiss is brutal man. I'm a firm believer that you don't need crazy expensive gear to make good content, but when the subject matter is actually AV, I think taking some time to get the sound in order would lend some credibility to your words.
Framing is a bit to close, the white balance is ice cold and the light needs more diffusio. Maybe an actual background as well, but all that is secondary to the sound.
Good luck man.
Thanks for your brutal honestly and also wishing us good luck... that is so kind of you 🐍
Too bad it doesn’t support Dante which most pro/prosumer audio gear supports these days. The only thing I have that uses NDI is some PTZ cameras that aren’t even on the same network with all the Dante stuff.
Our ADAMO cameras support Dante!