That 'Data Courtesy of: The-Numbers.com' in the lower right-hand corner almost feels passive-aggressive after last week's episode.... and I love it! :D
For Dan's knowledge: Norm of the North is spectacularly bad. And the audience demands a "Cram it" for all of these cats when the movie eventually comes out.
Dan just name dropping Cats like "Rumpleteaser" and "Mongo Jerry" like that is so jarring. I feel like we live in some weird Back to the Future 2 type world right now.
Thank you so much to the person who made the excell spreadsheet, we love our stats and that made Dan feel better, so you're responsible for a lot of positive feelings today. Your karma is doing great my good sir ! (or lady ?)
Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles was absolutely the best thing since T2...should have left film alone unless there was a true capstone event from the show, and kept that show running...
The show was way to expensive for regular TV, for the amount of people watching, and that was the reason they cancelled it. It was a good show, but to many people got burnt by bad movies to give it a shot.
I was wondering why this was taking SO LONG to upload. 42 minutes! I'm strapping in for a good night! 😁 You need to make the first movie succeed before you can think about the second and the third. Entertainment Studios Motion Pictures DOES sound like a mafia front. "You gave me two problematic guys in a row." "The Space Between Us" is a good movie. I couldn't even get through the trailer for "Arctic Foxes."
@EndSourceGaeming Not4Keeds It s not the killing John part nobody even went to see it first weekend to even know what happened. Studio heads should be fired after genisys they really paid money for another one of those things? Come on now.
It's funny, 'cause I saw Parasite first, then The Lighthouse. Parasite is definitely a great film, but I feel like people are hyping it up a little too much. I feel like it dragged a tad too much at the end (and I'm personally irked by the fate of one particular character). It has an interesting story and it was entertaining, but The Lighthouse was A JOURNEY. First off, definitely not for everyone, but I left feeling.... just, *more* after The Lighthouse. Would watch that again before Parasite.
Harriet was not playing in very many theaters but every showing at the two AMC theaters it was playing at was filled up quickly in Jacksonville, Florida
I really really hope the executives at these failing studios look at “Joker” and think: ”Huh, maybe if we invested in lower budgeted outside the norm ideas and put out an interesting trailer to start conversations, we’d probably have a better chance of making something successful.”
Unfortunately that's not always a guarantee. Many of the films of JOKER's ilk are finding a home on streaming services or as a day-to-day cinema/VOD release. If JOKER wasn't called JOKER, it probably wouldn't have made much money or gained much notoriety?
Both shows in Sacramento sold out pretty quickly as well, for a January show LOL. I was like getting Rise of Skywalker first day showing tickets. #Refresh
Saw Jojo Rabbit and Parasite on Saturday, walked in behind a family whose daughter was really upset that she was seeing Addam's Family because Frozen II wasn't out yet
If my math is correct, Arctic Dogs had about 111.9 tickets sold per theater, for the weekend. At about 4 shows a day, for three days,, that means each showing had an average attendance of less than 10 people.
I like the latest terminator just fine. But after t2 I find them unnecessary. There is nothing new to tell. At least Genisys tried to change things up. I think tv is a better home for the franchise. The Sarah Connor chronicles could have done better today on a streamming service.
You are probably right as this movie proves your point even more. At least with a tv series it could dive deeper and maybe make a movie if the tv show is a hot based off of where the tv show goes
Terminator sequels that might work? A: "Alien 3", do a horror in an enclosed space (mental hospital?) Maybe with murder mystery notes (who is the Terminator?) B: "... In Space!", future setting w/o a Judgement Day a stealthily set up Skynet wakes up and attacks. C: "Time Wars", lots of future timelines fighting each other to be the real one. Basically the TV show/Genysis done right. D: "Oscar Bait", Dan's idea from the review (?) for a psychological drama about being John Conner without a Judgement Day. I'm sure there are plenty more.
How about E: It's set "now" (after T2, before the apocalypse) - an FBI/CIA/WTF Agent goes undercover in a survivalist compound. They discover the survivalists are extremely tech savvy (and possibly even have access to an inoperative familiar looking robot). The end of Act 1 twist is that this compound is RUN by John Connor who is building his forces and monitoring the enemy for the possible war to come. Since we probably need (for commercial reasons) an actual Terminator fight, we probably have to have the Terminator inadvertently reactivated. It ends without any definitive answer as to whether John Connor is paranoid and incapable of operating in society or the only person who is monitoring the real threat.
I can't believe it but how about doing a prequel which is also a sequel? Why not going back to the future in which humans fight the machines and put John Conner in a situation in which he has to decide if he should risk his troops to rescue Rees or not? I mean, it must be pretty weird to be older than your own father. But it also would be a new angle to the story.
swanpride that sounds a lot like Salvation to me. Where John, and the cyborg, infiltrate skynet HQ to rescue a young Rees, and somehow a T-800 can’t kill John almost instantly in hand-to-hand combat. The problem with setting the movies in the future, is that you have to neuter the intelligence amd capabilities of Skynet; and the real-world consequences of a sizeable nuclear exchange on the environment.
Sure, but Salvation actually botched this angle completely, because they just HAD to put in this convoluted robot story nobody wanted. The franchise really has to stop pretending that it has to say something about the relationship between humans and machines until it actually has something to say. Meanwhile it can focus on the philosophical questions of time travel. Or examine the flawed notion of a chosen one.
On the phone preview for TH-cam videos you get if you havent clicked on them yet, auto captions play and it introduced them as "Dan Merle" and "Juan Harris" 😂
Love this show! Thanks Dan and Lon for taking the time to work this great gig! I really like how I learn SO MUCH from here as well as sju and movie fights....I guess most screen junkies content lol. Sorry about the Estonian ‘ Organisation ‘ takedown of your review....so strange ... maybe you addressed it on sju this morning...I will watch it next. Keep up the good work! Edit: had to come back to finish the last 7 minutes of the vid. Thx for addressing the Estonian issue lol. Sry that bs has to happen.
XL R8 I heard mixed reviews on the Edward Norton movie (61% on RT), but I haven’t seen it or not gonna watch it in theaters. The box office is not good and it’s another failed Oscar bait movie just like The Goldfinch.
Paramount does also have Top Gun Maverick and A Quiet Place 2 coming out next year, both of which could be huge breakout hits. But yeah, aside from both of those franchises and Mission Impossible, that's about it. They don't even have Transformers anymore.
It's not about interest and it's not about Woke or not Woke, it's about planing a mega-franchise around a movie then clapping out a script in 4 hours while you plan spinoffs. Terminator, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Ghostbusters, all can be good ideas for movies but don't have the premise that can extend to spinoffs and mini franchises.
The Yorkshire Time Lord it's a world that was built to tell one story nothing outside of that one story makes a lot of sense. Also Fantastic Beasts, a quirky little character piece, was hijacked by Tonto Scissorhands and his bong of the future, showing they didn't plan movies but a 2 hour advertisement for spinoffs
I enjoyed Dark Fate well enough (6.5/10), but I couldn't help but wonder what it would have been like if James Cameron had directed it. The direction as it were, is fine, but it didn't stand out. Also, there were times when the CGI was REALLY bad.
Fun fact: Estonia has a special system called e-residency for non-EU citizens and cooperations to acoomodate for easier trade and business with the EU, therefore the "person from Estonia" can literally be anyone, e.g. Joe Schmoe or Trump or the Europe division head of Paramount.
Cameron backed the Genisys one and produced the latest. If your faith was in Jimmy, sorry. This franchise is done. Not even Cameron or the Sarah Connor return can save it.
I’m pleasantly surprised by the performance of “Addams Family.” Not a smash hit, but it should turn a nice little profit. Not bad for a movie that really had no buzz.
I wish u pointed out: This franchise has failed since they will not include Edward Furlong. He played too big of a role to be recast. They have had a total of six characters portraying him on screen (including James Cameron’s future John) . This egregious recasting is detrimental to the franchise, essentially bottle-necking the entire potential regardless of other factors are supposed to weigh in. The only way they could’ve or even still could save this franchise, which will not happen by the way, is to have John Connor be played by Edward, be accompanied roles by possibly Linda, Arnold l, maybe Robert Patrick lol, and continue the T2 storyline. Like Doug (NC) and Brad (Cinema Snob) said : They went full Alien 3 on this one! Beloved characters that James Cameron has created for Terminator and aliens part two like Newt and John Connor are killed instantly at the beginning of part 3! Lol let the James Cameron characters live on and continue to make us content movie viewers! Love you guys as always! Thanks so much for making me a well informed audience member!
On this week's episode of 'Charting with Dan': Is ‘Dark Fate’ an appropriate title for what happened to the new Terminator film this weekend? Will ‘Joker’ being at the billion dollar club be a *LAUGHING MATTER*? Did ‘Maleficent: Mistress of Evil’ fail to *FLY* its way to the top of the charts again? Is ‘The Addams Family’ still *SNAPPING* along the top 5? Hi I'm Dan Murrell and I'm Lon Harris and this is 'Charting with Dan' on Fandom Entertainment
All things that won't happen, unfortunately. Movies nowadays get money hurled at them (unless you're an independent, in which case Hollywood pretends you don't exist) regardless of the script or track record of the director. Audiences demand big actors, and bitch and whine if they don't see them. R rated is meaningless these days, either its a sanitised movie for a broader audience or it goes full X rated with extreme violence, nothing in between. Sad, really. Can you imagine a retro movie, using old styles and filming methods, with modern equipment? Would be interesting to see. Terminator made the mistake of explaining too much - we don't need to know ANYTHING about Skynet or the future resistance movement beyond a few comments. The first two focused on the Terminators being the 'big bad' rather then just yet another expendable minion, and not knowing about them added to the suspense and terror.
I had an idea for a Terminator movie. The film starts with John Connor leading the resistance to destroy Skynet. All the factories producing Terminators and the Time Machine are rigged to blow and they are heading to destroy Skynet itself. With no hope of winning, Skynet tries to upload itself into a Terminator but the factories are destroyed before it can do so. In a last-ditch effort, Skynet uploads itself into a new experimental Terminator in a secret base underground. This Terminator body is similar to the one in Salvation. It is the most realistic re-creation of the human body. A body that even needs food and sleep. It was designed to infiltrate resistance camps without detection and report back to Skynet. Skynet escapes with this body. Throughout the course of the film, with Skynet on the run from a vengeful John Connor who is determined to finish the job, Skynet learns what it's like to be human and even begins to feel remorse for the war and mass genocide it has committed. I think it would be a very interesting concept to explore. Especially if a human ends up falling in love with Skynet and is trying to protect it from John Connor. It would also give a personality to a force that throughout the entire series has just been a name.
Dark Fate was going to fail for oh-so-many reasons, many of which got discussed here, but there's something very specific that gets hinted at above but not quite stated: *There's no reason for audiences to invest in a new Terminator movie. None.* We all know what the plot(s) will be. We know what all the beats will be. We know there'll be some timey-wimey universal chicanery. We know the latest movie will pretend to care about a new bunch of characters and then not give a damn about them later. We know there's no point investing further in even the core characters because we've seen what they're willing to do with Sarah (a la T3) and with John (a la GeniSys and Dark Fate). We know, we know, we know. There's just no reason to care. Every Terminator movie since T2 seems like a film made by Etch-A-Sketch that a quick shake will wipe completely away. There's just no point. There's no reason to actually care. And the great symptom of the cynicism of all of this was clear from when we found out Linda Hamilton was coming back as Sarah, but there wasn't a bit of news about John being part of the story. Long before the movie was released, everyone sussed out what they were going to do (and what they, of course, did) and that was just the straw that broke that metallic camel's back. They said it was going to pick up from T2, but then they went and shat all over that movie by treating John like Poochie from The Simpsons. You could practically hear people muttering "oh, f*ck off" before Dark Fate was even near a release date. All of that's the real problem with the Terminator IP and you can't really come back from that. And, yes, that's exactly what killed the Fox X-Men series, too. Both series just killed off any reason for people to care anymore.
So is Dark Fate bad? I avoided comments on it. But from what I gather its yet another crap sequel that James Cameron lied to us about. Why do we keep falling for it? The guy apparently sucks at movie making now. What was the last good James Cameron movie?
Thank you Dan for bringing up Bumblebee! People keep saying this about Terminator but the Transformers franchise has also faced the same issue this past year. Bumblebee in particular really suffered; despite the rave reviews, the film did OK but still nowhere near the level of Bay's films, so people have lost faith in that franchise as well.
The problem with terminator sequels, with the exception of Salvation, is that they all tried to be T2. There's always a new bigger badder Terminator sent to kill John or Sarah, and they have a t800 companion.
As well as Pirates of the Caribbean, Transformer, Indiana Jones, maybe harry potter, Men In Black, Die Hard, Jason Bourne, and the original dead franchise, Jaws.
James Cameron himself said there wasn’t a way to revisit the story...YEARS ago, before any of the sequels past T2. Considering he’s one of the few people who have managed to make sequels that are of the same quality as the original, maybe they should listen when he says it cannot be done.
They need to bring back the Sarah Connor Chronicles, or create a new television show for streaming services that expands the lore of the Terminator universe. Instead of relying on these half-baked reboots and sequel cash grabs. The Sarah Connor Chronicles was smart, it had heart, and it left off on such an amazing premise before it got canceled that it just blows my mind how no one can see the writing on the wall. We are living in the age of streaming with amazing shows like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad to learn from. The terminator premise is ripe for character growth and serialized storytelling. And Sarah Connor chronicles proved this.
The only reason why I knew anything about the existence of an Arctic Dogs is because I was watching some Byron Allen show and a commercial ran for it... about 6 times in a row. Byron Allen's "plan" for marketing the movie was to push it throughout his empire - his marketing budget was probably zero as a result.
Totally agree, the loop was closed with T2. The concept wasn’t sustainable for more than a couple movies anyways. It was gonna be impossible to stretch it this far anyways.
This looks like a bad year for both Paramount and Fox, although Fox suffer a lot worst with many films they released before and after getting bought by Disney while Paramount at least does a little better at the box office thanks to few films including Rocketman, Crawl, and Pet Sematary remake.
Kenneth Stoddard I think 2020 will get them back on track with Sonic the Hedgehog, Spongebob Movie 3, A Quiet Place Part II, Top Gun: Maverick, Clifford The Big Red Dod and Coming 2 America.
Mathias Hagensen Technically, Paramount’s owner Viacom are in a process of remerging with CBS to make both companies as a whole again since the split. So Paramount should get the help it needs in terms of getting money back.
That was the second review I watched and tried to watch again after I saw the movie, but couldn't find. I can't remember the first. I started to mention the Mandela Effect, but left it alone.
@@jaym8988 When I saw dogma when it came out, and for some reason the theater near my house was playing the cannes cut. And like my favorite joke was cut from the movie. And I was pissed when I bought the dvd and it wasn't there. But I bought the special edition years later and it was one of the deleted scenes. Also, there was an exrta shot of neo at the end of the matrix, 2 out of 3 times I saw it in theaters.
Over the past few years I've wondered if Paramount is trying some kind of "Producers" senerio where they are actively trying to lose as much money as possible.
It seems that no real passion goes into writing anything these days. There was a great boom, particularly in TV, with things such as Breaking Bad, in recent years, and I thought it was ushering in a new age of great writing/direction. But yeah, this movie was lacking. I literally grew up on T2 and I can enjoy a movie for what it is, Dark Fate is just an action flick like all the other sequels. But particularly, the characters all days nonsensical things, didn't ask the right questions, the dialogue fell flat. And overall it was just a non-stop crazy action flick. I barely felt myself absorbed in any of the scenes. I don't think I could quote anything from the film. I ended up just wanting to see how well Gabriel Luna played his role, in the end. I had said he would make an awesome terminator after seeing him as Robbie Reyes, so was waiting to see it.
One of the problems with the Terminator franchise is that it has such a long history both in time and in number of movies. As a 20 year old who has only seen the first movie, all of the trailers rely on nostalgia and so, to me at least, discourage new people from going to see them.
They need to do something unique with the setting instead of clinging on nostalgia to sell. I always consider Looper as a creative take on the core premise of Terminators.
Here's what I'm pondering: are there maybe people who want to see it but were waiting for reviews to come in so they weren't walking into another _Genisys_ ?
I find the level of my addiction to this show strangely disturbing... 1 bn$ Joker - told ya - is a clear sign the cinema ain’t dead yet:) And why would I fear it kaput? Films in US make roughly 35 bn $ a year (cinema + home), video games spending is at 44 bn and grows 5% per year. Thank you Dan and that super nice Other Guy (I know, sorry, I’ll learn) for my weekly dose🙏🏻
I think they take the wrong angle writing wise. That's why they fail. Also, the loop wasn't completely closed in T2. The terminator's arm is still in the gear at ther end of the movie. They only through in the old arm and chip.
It feels like "Charting" deserves a theme song. Kinda like the "fan questions" one
Get Roxy in the recording studio ASAP!
or emma... same person...
Ch-ch-ch-charting with Dan *Con-Air guitar solo *
I’ve really got to say how great it is to hear Dan in his stride with all his tools available to him. So happy people reached out to fix the issue.
Fans: "Let the past rest...kill the future if you have to"
That 'Data Courtesy of: The-Numbers.com' in the lower right-hand corner almost feels passive-aggressive after last week's episode.... and I love it! :D
For Dan's knowledge: Norm of the North is spectacularly bad. And the audience demands a "Cram it" for all of these cats when the movie eventually comes out.
There is a twitter feed for Cats.
True
Dan just name dropping Cats like "Rumpleteaser" and "Mongo Jerry" like that is so jarring. I feel like we live in some weird Back to the Future 2 type world right now.
Justin Clowater will Biff is out President, so
Thank you so much to the person who made the excell spreadsheet, we love our stats and that made Dan feel better, so you're responsible for a lot of positive feelings today. Your karma is doing great my good sir ! (or lady ?)
I hope Doctor Sleep does well, it deserves to. Fantastic character driven follow up!
i cant wait to see Doctor Sleep!
Have you already seen it???
@@apophis9192 it came out November 1 in the UK and Ireland
@@apophis9192 If you watch Dan and Roth's review, I basically agree with everything Dan says!
Just got back from seeing it. (Dr sleep) It was worth the time/ticket. Can't say the same for this trainwreck
Dan saying “cahoots” is hilariously adorable!
Terminator franchise after Dark Fate to the fans: I know now why you cry, it is something I cannot do
I can never do*
I saw Harriet and Joker on Saturday. Both impactful, heartbreaking, tales of horror.
Been stalking my subscriptions waiting for this!
Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles was absolutely the best thing since T2...should have left film alone unless there was a true capstone event from the show, and kept that show running...
The show was way to expensive for regular TV, for the amount of people watching, and that was the reason they cancelled it.
It was a good show, but to many people got burnt by bad movies to give it a shot.
I was wondering why this was taking SO LONG to upload.
42 minutes!
I'm strapping in for a good night! 😁
You need to make the first movie succeed before you can think about the second and the third.
Entertainment Studios Motion Pictures DOES sound like a mafia front.
"You gave me two problematic guys in a row."
"The Space Between Us" is a good movie.
I couldn't even get through the trailer for "Arctic Foxes."
I read the synopsis on Wikipedia, and that was enough for me to get closure.
You could feel the franchise dying with him.
@EndSourceGaeming Not4Keeds It s not the killing John part nobody even went to see it first weekend to even know what happened. Studio heads should be fired after genisys they really paid money for another one of those things? Come on now.
Is it time to say hasta la vista to this franchise? Find out on this weeks episode of charting!!
Disney: "I am inevitable..."
I feel like this is appropriate, and likely prophetic.
LOL!
I hope we get to hear you talk about The Lighthouse, Dan. I'm super curious to hear your thoughts.
Best movie of the year
K Cuse was my favorite movie of the year too.... and then i saw parasite
It's funny, 'cause I saw Parasite first, then The Lighthouse. Parasite is definitely a great film, but I feel like people are hyping it up a little too much. I feel like it dragged a tad too much at the end (and I'm personally irked by the fate of one particular character). It has an interesting story and it was entertaining, but The Lighthouse was A JOURNEY. First off, definitely not for everyone, but I left feeling.... just, *more* after The Lighthouse. Would watch that again before Parasite.
I thought The Witch was vastly superior. Lighthouse definitely not in my top 10 of the year.
After it was over I was like, what was the point?
I can't believe that after Genisys studios thought it was a good idea to invest 180million dollars in a Terminator movie
Thanks, Chandru! And great year in the Schmoedown. Some tough calls, but you'll get 'em next year!
Me: *reads the title*
Me: It's been dead for more than a decade, Dan...
Harriet was not playing in very many theaters but every showing at the two AMC theaters it was playing at was filled up quickly in Jacksonville, Florida
Thanks Chandru!! A scholar and a gentleman.
I really really hope the executives at these failing studios look at “Joker” and think: ”Huh, maybe if we invested in lower budgeted outside the norm ideas and put out an interesting trailer to start conversations, we’d probably have a better chance of making something successful.”
Nah, they're just going to make a bunch of evil clown movies.
Adrian Parkinson As is usual, the studios are going to what they think was the draw instead of the actual draw.
Sadly they will just think people want a rated R clown movie and that is all they will take from it
Hollywood always learns the wrong lesson. Perhaps they will believe more scenes with people dancing on stairs will sell the movie.
Unfortunately that's not always a guarantee. Many of the films of JOKER's ilk are finding a home on streaming services or as a day-to-day cinema/VOD release. If JOKER wasn't called JOKER, it probably wouldn't have made much money or gained much notoriety?
Both shows in Dallas for 'Jay & Silent Reboot' roadshow were sold out. Great movie.
All three in KC were sold out before I could get tickets
Both shows in Sacramento sold out pretty quickly as well, for a January show LOL. I was like getting Rise of Skywalker first day showing tickets. #Refresh
Saw Jojo Rabbit and Parasite on Saturday, walked in behind a family whose daughter was really upset that she was seeing Addam's Family because Frozen II wasn't out yet
If my math is correct, Arctic Dogs had about 111.9 tickets sold per theater, for the weekend. At about 4 shows a day, for three days,, that means each showing had an average attendance of less than 10 people.
If any movie was involved in a money laundering scheme, its Artic Dogs.
I like the latest terminator just fine. But after t2 I find them unnecessary. There is nothing new to tell. At least Genisys tried to change things up. I think tv is a better home for the franchise. The Sarah Connor chronicles could have done better today on a streamming service.
Federico Hernandez I loved the tv series, I was so annoyed when they cancelled it.
You are probably right as this movie proves your point even more.
At least with a tv series it could dive deeper and maybe make a movie if the tv show is a hot based off of where the tv show goes
All the fans still want . a movie based in James Camron's future as seen in the first scene of The Terminator
Terminator sequels that might work?
A: "Alien 3", do a horror in an enclosed space (mental hospital?) Maybe with murder mystery notes (who is the Terminator?)
B: "... In Space!", future setting w/o a Judgement Day a stealthily set up Skynet wakes up and attacks.
C: "Time Wars", lots of future timelines fighting each other to be the real one. Basically the TV show/Genysis done right.
D: "Oscar Bait", Dan's idea from the review (?) for a psychological drama about being John Conner without a Judgement Day.
I'm sure there are plenty more.
How about E: It's set "now" (after T2, before the apocalypse) - an FBI/CIA/WTF Agent goes undercover in a survivalist compound. They discover the survivalists are extremely tech savvy (and possibly even have access to an inoperative familiar looking robot). The end of Act 1 twist is that this compound is RUN by John Connor who is building his forces and monitoring the enemy for the possible war to come. Since we probably need (for commercial reasons) an actual Terminator fight, we probably have to have the Terminator inadvertently reactivated. It ends without any definitive answer as to whether John Connor is paranoid and incapable of operating in society or the only person who is monitoring the real threat.
I can't believe it but how about doing a prequel which is also a sequel? Why not going back to the future in which humans fight the machines and put John Conner in a situation in which he has to decide if he should risk his troops to rescue Rees or not? I mean, it must be pretty weird to be older than your own father. But it also would be a new angle to the story.
swanpride that sounds a lot like Salvation to me. Where John, and the cyborg, infiltrate skynet HQ to rescue a young Rees, and somehow a T-800 can’t kill John almost instantly in hand-to-hand combat.
The problem with setting the movies in the future, is that you have to neuter the intelligence amd capabilities of Skynet; and the real-world consequences of a sizeable nuclear exchange on the environment.
Sure, but Salvation actually botched this angle completely, because they just HAD to put in this convoluted robot story nobody wanted. The franchise really has to stop pretending that it has to say something about the relationship between humans and machines until it actually has something to say. Meanwhile it can focus on the philosophical questions of time travel. Or examine the flawed notion of a chosen one.
On the phone preview for TH-cam videos you get if you havent clicked on them yet, auto captions play and it introduced them as "Dan Merle" and "Juan Harris" 😂
Love this show! Thanks Dan and Lon for taking the time to work this great gig! I really like how I learn SO MUCH from here as well as sju and movie fights....I guess most screen junkies content lol. Sorry about the Estonian ‘ Organisation ‘ takedown of your review....so strange ... maybe you addressed it on sju this morning...I will watch it next. Keep up the good work!
Edit: had to come back to finish the last 7 minutes of the vid. Thx for addressing the Estonian issue lol. Sry that bs has to happen.
Joker is at $299.2M domestically
Nice to here the Chosen One helped save some of the charts and Dan's mental well being.
PSA- the mungojerrie and rumpleteaser song is the catchiest song ever, it's now stuck in my head
You forgot Motherless Brooklyn also bombed.
I think we're all trying to forget this movie exists...
Was it not good?
XL R8 I heard mixed reviews on the Edward Norton movie (61% on RT), but I haven’t seen it or not gonna watch it in theaters. The box office is not good and it’s another failed Oscar bait movie just like The Goldfinch.
Paramount does also have Top Gun Maverick and A Quiet Place 2 coming out next year, both of which could be huge breakout hits. But yeah, aside from both of those franchises and Mission Impossible, that's about it. They don't even have Transformers anymore.
It's not about interest and it's not about Woke or not Woke, it's about planing a mega-franchise around a movie then clapping out a script in 4 hours while you plan spinoffs.
Terminator, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Ghostbusters, all can be good ideas for movies but don't have the premise that can extend to spinoffs and mini franchises.
Harry Potter is literally the perfect franchise for spin-offs and 'mini franchises'. It's not just Harry's world, it's the Wizarding World.
The Yorkshire Time Lord it's a world that was built to tell one story nothing outside of that one story makes a lot of sense. Also Fantastic Beasts, a quirky little character piece, was hijacked by Tonto Scissorhands and his bong of the future, showing they didn't plan movies but a 2 hour advertisement for spinoffs
GO SEE PARASITE. Absolutely unreal film.
Great to see you back this week in better spirits Dan. Hope work on the BOM replacement is progressing.
Thank you Chandru!!!!!! You rock! Enjoy watching you in schmoedown as well!
I sincerely hope Dan watches the filmed stage show DVD of Cats and does a full video review before seeing Cats (2019).
Honest Trailer of cats. XD
Oh yes please to all of this
I enjoyed Dark Fate well enough (6.5/10), but I couldn't help but wonder what it would have been like if James Cameron had directed it. The direction as it were, is fine, but it didn't stand out. Also, there were times when the CGI was REALLY bad.
No glasses and five o’clock shadow... Dan is a rebel today. Lol
Whizkidd2025 my favourite version of Dan
Literally in a routine at this point. Make dinner, decompress, wait for charting with Dan. AND NOW I'M THE FIRST COMMENT! WHAT AN HONOR! :D
Lingerr Senghor Happy for you, stranger ☺️👍🏻
Thank-you to the programmer who made Charting possible again. Love this show.
Dammit I also saw Dark Phoenix in cinema. So now I have to complete the Dark F circle.
We don’t just want Charts, We NEED Charts.
Fun fact: Estonia has a special system called e-residency for non-EU citizens and cooperations to acoomodate for easier trade and business with the EU, therefore the "person from Estonia" can literally be anyone, e.g. Joe Schmoe or Trump or the Europe division head of Paramount.
Cameron backed the Genisys one and produced the latest. If your faith was in Jimmy, sorry. This franchise is done. Not even Cameron or the Sarah Connor return can save it.
I really wonder how his set of unnecessary Avatar movies will be.
Dan truly is my favourite reviewer on the internet!
Jeremy jahns and stuckerman are better
I’m pleasantly surprised by the performance of “Addams Family.” Not a smash hit, but it should turn a nice little profit. Not bad for a movie that really had no buzz.
Meanwhile at Fox:
Dark Ffffuuuu...
Lol!
"Not doing well in their side gig as film producers" 😂
I’m gonna miss the meowntdown so much
Great job for the numbers. Well done!
What happened to Dan and Roth's review of T:DF? It looks like it was deleted.
olyar15 thank you! It did exist! I was wondering whether or not I have imagined it!
They explain what happened around the 36 min mark.
olyar15 #curses
I wish u pointed out: This franchise has failed since they will not include Edward Furlong. He played too big of a role to be recast. They have had a total of six characters portraying him on screen (including James Cameron’s future John) . This egregious recasting is detrimental to the franchise, essentially bottle-necking the entire potential regardless of other factors are supposed to weigh in. The only way they could’ve or even still could save this franchise, which will not happen by the way, is to have John Connor be played by Edward, be accompanied roles by possibly Linda, Arnold l, maybe Robert Patrick lol, and continue the T2 storyline.
Like Doug (NC) and Brad (Cinema Snob) said : They went full Alien 3 on this one!
Beloved characters that James Cameron has created for Terminator and aliens part two like Newt and John Connor are killed instantly at the beginning of part 3! Lol let the James Cameron characters live on and continue to make us content movie viewers!
Love you guys as always! Thanks so much for making me a well informed audience member!
You need to watch "24×36: A movie about movie posters" it will explain why we have floating head posters.
On this week's episode of 'Charting with Dan':
Is ‘Dark Fate’ an appropriate title for what happened to the new Terminator film this weekend?
Will ‘Joker’ being at the billion dollar club be a *LAUGHING MATTER*?
Did ‘Maleficent: Mistress of Evil’ fail to *FLY* its way to the top of the charts again?
Is ‘The Addams Family’ still *SNAPPING* along the top 5?
Hi I'm Dan Murrell and I'm Lon Harris
and this is 'Charting with Dan' on Fandom Entertainment
go back to low budget, bring back the horror elements, make it rated R and bring a new cast.
nobaddays I don’t think anything can fix Terminator now. Too many bad movies in a row, for another movie to have a fair chance, for at least a decade.
All things that won't happen, unfortunately. Movies nowadays get money hurled at them (unless you're an independent, in which case Hollywood pretends you don't exist) regardless of the script or track record of the director. Audiences demand big actors, and bitch and whine if they don't see them. R rated is meaningless these days, either its a sanitised movie for a broader audience or it goes full X rated with extreme violence, nothing in between.
Sad, really. Can you imagine a retro movie, using old styles and filming methods, with modern equipment? Would be interesting to see. Terminator made the mistake of explaining too much - we don't need to know ANYTHING about Skynet or the future resistance movement beyond a few comments. The first two focused on the Terminators being the 'big bad' rather then just yet another expendable minion, and not knowing about them added to the suspense and terror.
I had an idea for a Terminator movie. The film starts with John Connor leading the resistance to destroy Skynet. All the factories producing Terminators and the Time Machine are rigged to blow and they are heading to destroy Skynet itself. With no hope of winning, Skynet tries to upload itself into a Terminator but the factories are destroyed before it can do so. In a last-ditch effort, Skynet uploads itself into a new experimental Terminator in a secret base underground. This Terminator body is similar to the one in Salvation. It is the most realistic re-creation of the human body. A body that even needs food and sleep. It was designed to infiltrate resistance camps without detection and report back to Skynet. Skynet escapes with this body. Throughout the course of the film, with Skynet on the run from a vengeful John Connor who is determined to finish the job, Skynet learns what it's like to be human and even begins to feel remorse for the war and mass genocide it has committed. I think it would be a very interesting concept to explore. Especially if a human ends up falling in love with Skynet and is trying to protect it from John Connor. It would also give a personality to a force that throughout the entire series has just been a name.
Thanks Chandru!!!
Dark Fate was going to fail for oh-so-many reasons, many of which got discussed here, but there's something very specific that gets hinted at above but not quite stated:
*There's no reason for audiences to invest in a new Terminator movie. None.*
We all know what the plot(s) will be. We know what all the beats will be. We know there'll be some timey-wimey universal chicanery. We know the latest movie will pretend to care about a new bunch of characters and then not give a damn about them later. We know there's no point investing further in even the core characters because we've seen what they're willing to do with Sarah (a la T3) and with John (a la GeniSys and Dark Fate). We know, we know, we know. There's just no reason to care. Every Terminator movie since T2 seems like a film made by Etch-A-Sketch that a quick shake will wipe completely away. There's just no point. There's no reason to actually care.
And the great symptom of the cynicism of all of this was clear from when we found out Linda Hamilton was coming back as Sarah, but there wasn't a bit of news about John being part of the story. Long before the movie was released, everyone sussed out what they were going to do (and what they, of course, did) and that was just the straw that broke that metallic camel's back. They said it was going to pick up from T2, but then they went and shat all over that movie by treating John like Poochie from The Simpsons. You could practically hear people muttering "oh, f*ck off" before Dark Fate was even near a release date.
All of that's the real problem with the Terminator IP and you can't really come back from that. And, yes, that's exactly what killed the Fox X-Men series, too. Both series just killed off any reason for people to care anymore.
Sarah Connor Chronicles was the only good thing to come out of Terminator since T2. And we didn't even get a conclusion to that.
So is Dark Fate bad? I avoided comments on it. But from what I gather its yet another crap sequel that James Cameron lied to us about. Why do we keep falling for it? The guy apparently sucks at movie making now. What was the last good James Cameron movie?
he didn't make any T movies after 2.....just producing.
Who is this dude that helped Dan thanks man! Dan I love what ya do!
Why was the Dark Fate film review removed from youtube? I don’t remember anyone cussing in it.
If you're still wondering: 36:30
Thank you Dan for bringing up Bumblebee! People keep saying this about Terminator but the Transformers franchise has also faced the same issue this past year. Bumblebee in particular really suffered; despite the rave reviews, the film did OK but still nowhere near the level of Bay's films, so people have lost faith in that franchise as well.
Love this show! Keep up the good work!
The christian bale reboot was the closest thing they had to salvaging the franchise but the producers for that one lost the rights lol
The problem with terminator sequels, with the exception of Salvation, is that they all tried to be T2. There's always a new bigger badder Terminator sent to kill John or Sarah, and they have a t800 companion.
Yes...yes it is. Add it to the predator and the alien franchise.
As well as Pirates of the Caribbean, Transformer, Indiana Jones, maybe harry potter, Men In Black, Die Hard, Jason Bourne, and the original dead franchise, Jaws.
Ricky Collins, you forgot Resident Evil!
Also, they’re trying to squeeze out one more Indy film.🤷🏾♂️
@@miguelBT2809 They've been trying to make that 5th indy film for the last 10 years, it probably won't happen and it definitely won't be a success.
James Cameron himself said there wasn’t a way to revisit the story...YEARS ago, before any of the sequels past T2. Considering he’s one of the few people who have managed to make sequels that are of the same quality as the original, maybe they should listen when he says it cannot be done.
They need to bring back the Sarah Connor Chronicles, or create a new television show for streaming services that expands the lore of the Terminator universe. Instead of relying on these half-baked reboots and sequel cash grabs. The Sarah Connor Chronicles was smart, it had heart, and it left off on such an amazing premise before it got canceled that it just blows my mind how no one can see the writing on the wall. We are living in the age of streaming with amazing shows like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad to learn from.
The terminator premise is ripe for character growth and serialized storytelling. And Sarah Connor chronicles proved this.
The only reason why I knew anything about the existence of an Arctic Dogs is because I was watching some Byron Allen show and a commercial ran for it... about 6 times in a row. Byron Allen's "plan" for marketing the movie was to push it throughout his empire - his marketing budget was probably zero as a result.
I never knew Brie Larson was in Hoot. You learn something new everyday.
Mungojerrie & Rumpelteazer's song is one of my favourites 😅
Totally agree, the loop was closed with T2. The concept wasn’t sustainable for more than a couple movies anyways. It was gonna be impossible to stretch it this far anyways.
This looks like a bad year for both Paramount and Fox, although Fox suffer a lot worst with many films they released before and after getting bought by Disney while Paramount at least does a little better at the box office thanks to few films including Rocketman, Crawl, and Pet Sematary remake.
Kenneth Stoddard I think 2020 will get them back on track with Sonic the Hedgehog, Spongebob Movie 3, A Quiet Place Part II, Top Gun: Maverick, Clifford The Big Red Dod and Coming 2 America.
al patrickson yes it will
Paramount has been strugling for quite a while. I would not be surprised if they were bought by another studio.
Mathias Hagensen Technically, Paramount’s owner Viacom are in a process of remerging with CBS to make both companies as a whole again since the split. So Paramount should get the help it needs in terms of getting money back.
Mathias Hagensen Paramount’s 2020 slate will fix them
Them: Its not like Terminator 2 isn't a perfect movie.
Me: clicks away.
Well... its not. Still excellent, but some of the scenes early in the movie feel very dated or awkward.
So, I'm not going crazy. There was a T6 review up
That was the second review I watched and tried to watch again after I saw the movie, but couldn't find. I can't remember the first. I started to mention the Mandela Effect, but left it alone.
@@jaym8988 When I saw dogma when it came out, and for some reason the theater near my house was playing the cannes cut. And like my favorite joke was cut from the movie. And I was pissed when I bought the dvd and it wasn't there. But I bought the special edition years later and it was one of the deleted scenes. Also, there was an exrta shot of neo at the end of the matrix, 2 out of 3 times I saw it in theaters.
Over the past few years I've wondered if Paramount is trying some kind of "Producers" senerio where they are actively trying to lose as much money as possible.
i watch the entire clip waiting for the cats, love the charting but i love more the idea of this weird movie you all want to see hahahah
So you mentioned annihilation. Love that movie
Keep it real, Lon.
Lon's face when Dan says he liked it.
It seems that no real passion goes into writing anything these days. There was a great boom, particularly in TV, with things such as Breaking Bad, in recent years, and I thought it was ushering in a new age of great writing/direction. But yeah, this movie was lacking. I literally grew up on T2 and I can enjoy a movie for what it is, Dark Fate is just an action flick like all the other sequels.
But particularly, the characters all days nonsensical things, didn't ask the right questions, the dialogue fell flat. And overall it was just a non-stop crazy action flick. I barely felt myself absorbed in any of the scenes. I don't think I could quote anything from the film.
I ended up just wanting to see how well Gabriel Luna played his role, in the end. I had said he would make an awesome terminator after seeing him as Robbie Reyes, so was waiting to see it.
One of the problems with the Terminator franchise is that it has such a long history both in time and in number of movies. As a 20 year old who has only seen the first movie, all of the trailers rely on nostalgia and so, to me at least, discourage new people from going to see them.
Emilia Clarke said on The Graham Norton Show that Last Christmas is based on the Wham song.
They need to do something unique with the setting instead of clinging on nostalgia to sell. I always consider Looper as a creative take on the core premise of Terminators.
Great video as always
Here's what I'm pondering: are there maybe people who want to see it but were waiting for reviews to come in so they weren't walking into another _Genisys_ ?
RIP Teminator 1984-2019 (hopefully)
Dan, put the numbers.com on the left side. Its being blocked by the Fandom logo.
Thank you Chandru!!!
I find the level of my addiction to this show strangely disturbing...
1 bn$ Joker - told ya - is a clear sign the cinema ain’t dead yet:)
And why would I fear it kaput?
Films in US make roughly 35 bn $ a year (cinema + home), video games spending is at 44 bn and grows 5% per year.
Thank you Dan and that super nice Other Guy (I know, sorry, I’ll learn) for my weekly dose🙏🏻
I think they take the wrong angle writing wise. That's why they fail. Also, the loop wasn't completely closed in T2. The terminator's arm is still in the gear at ther end of the movie. They only through in the old arm and chip.
Parasite just reached my area this weekend, and I'm seeing it tomorrow!
Yay! It is fantastic.
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Update, hell yeah it was. It stayed with me as I was leaving the theater.
I saw Terminator in IMAX on Friday, and there were like 10-15 other people there. So, this doesn't surprise me much.
the Terminator Franchise died after Terminator Salvation which is ironic because it was called Salvation
Arctic dogs is up to 7 reviews now and Bibbiani is the only fresh one.