I felt that the slowness of the movie is what accented the alienation and emptiness of the world to uncomfortable levels. There is no escape from it in the form of a fast paced story.
True, that's why it's easy to describe as a great film while acknowledging that it was a box office failure. It deliberately did things that are fast ways to lose the trust of a considerable portion of the audiences for films, when those things enhanced the intended artistic portrayal. Film fans that are prepared to catch things delivered in subtle ways and to actively consider the meaning of shot composition etc. (and by doing that, not finding themselves with nothing to do or mull over during the slow-paced parts!) have the acquired taste to fully enjoy it. That's absolutely what it was - acquired taste filmmaking.
Of course, it's a Blade Runner sequel. If you want crappy dialogue, special effects, the same backstory and lightsabers, you know which saga you need to watch
Obnoxious, and deliberately so. Just like a globalist, which villeneuve is. You dig it because it makes you feel something, even though it's pure demoralisation propaganda. Can you see it yet, happening all around you, in every corner of life? Perhaps you like it.
This is the kind of movie that will be adored after 10 to 20 years like many cult classics. People today can't appreciate it but I bet there's a generation that will sing its praises.
@@jasonremy8688not at all. i only got brought into watching because it gained a cult classic reputation. you can consider it whatever you want but it flopped in the box office and has grown exponentially in popularity over recent years
@@jasonremy8688well yea ppl relate to the main character because of how he ends up not being a chosen one and is just a nobody like all the rest of us.
I honestly liked this movie. And I liked the first Bladerunner movie. They really matched the tone in the sequel. But just like with the first movie I had trouble staying awake while watching. I have sadly never managed to watch Bladerunner in on go without falling asleep, despite no lack of trying.
When I first watched the film, I thought it was too short. Little did I know, it was 2 hours and 44 minutes long. I didnt even notice the pauses, I was completely engaged in the film, and I loved it.
@@sebastianmunozochoa1485 What mistakes would that be? Blade Runner 2049 is a near perfect movie. Giving it more mass appeal would probably lose its brilliance. Therefore I think Villeneuve has nothing to learn from its failure.
I haven’t been engaged in a character like I was in K for years. The guy just going through life, longing for a sign there’s something more to him than his programming, finding out there might be something, only to realise he isn’t special after all, and then deciding to stop waiting and become special through his own actions by doing the human thing to do in a world that’s lost all its humanity. Amazing character arc.
This is exactly how I felt. In the video here he says it's not made clear or easy to care about the cause... That wasn't the point to me. The point was that I cared about K and his self actualization as you described it.
@@edamagethat is why I honestly didnt even notice that the main villain of the story just disappears. I didn’t even notice that the overarching world conflict was just left unresolved. K did everything he could do fill his part. That was the conflict resolved.
Not enough explosions and car chases, and there's no character saying "it's up to us to save the world". When films like Fast and Furious are financially successful, films like BR 2049 face an uphill battle.
it's not about car chases and explosion. chris nolan makes movies without car chases and explosion but his movies still make hundreds of millions of dollars worldwide. Inception made $800 hundred million dollars. why? the movie wasn't slow and every scene progressed the story forward, unlike 2049. nolan knows how to make a good movie while also being entertaining. but denis only knows how to make a boring good movie. denis should make lower budget films like prisoners and sicario. blockbuster is not in his skills.
@@mishterkhalid3117 Dunkirk and Tenet was arguably far more terrible in that sense, boring and even more self indulgent. So no, Nolan doesn't always make an interesting movie. All of Denis' films are well produced and fits the narrative and message that it wants to address to it's audience. The difference is marketing. Powerful marketing can make a bad movie to make good money. Some movies just show all the action snippets in their trailers, but when watching the actual movies the trailers are more entertaining than the movie itself.
@@mishterkhalid3117 i mean Dune is really popping up right now and it is definitely a boring great movie. I think ‘general audience’ will appreciate BR 2049 more now having seen Dune.
@@susbedo9258 dunkirk wasn't slow or boring. it was an hour and a half long and every scene progressed the story forward. there were stakes and risks in every scene. nolan didn't spend 2 minutes pointing the camera at the actors doing nothing unlike 2049, where every scene is just ryan gosling doing things in 0.25× speed. there were no stakes. also u talk about marketing. as if the marketing team did injustice to 2049. no they didn't. Nolan's trailer shows action scenes because there are actual action scenes in the movie. but 2049's trailer didn't have any action scenes because there were no action scenes in the movie. the few fighting scenes it had, there were no tension and risk like filmento described above. another thing I want to say is, good filmmaking and blockbuster filmmaking are two very different thing. parasite is a masterpiece of filmmaking but no matter how much of a good job the marketing team does, that movie will never make past a hundred million dollars. on the other hand, Michael bay and Zack Snyder's movie will make billions of dollars at the box office, because those are entertaining (even though those are terrible). if u want to get the best of both, then you get directors like Steven Spielberg or Christopher Nolan who makes good movies while also dominating the box office.
@@Klim04 that's a great overexaggeration, bts fans literally thereaten people or say they should've stanned this kpop person and they would've lived, No blade runner 2049 fan does that, As far as I'm concerned. The film was just underappreciated due to the mass audience, People being sad that a movie literally representing humanity itself, Themes of purpose, Loneliness, Feeling special is so disregarded by the mass cause of bigger things like marvel, dc and a bunch of action films everywhere. Sometimes people enjoy the minimal or simple things like blade runner, This isn't toxicity, This is disappointment, Disappointment that every movie should always make the most money possible, be the biggest flick with the biggest budget and filled with humor to make it funny and profitable, Sometimes people just want other people to appreciate the story's message, It's purpose, Not every story needs to be minimal but not every story need to be a big blockbuster with a big cast and a high budget action story, But whether we like it or not, Majority of the film industry nowadays is riddled with big budget action films with the biggest actors, I'm glad dune did well unlike blade runner 2049, It gave me hope that there is still a chance to gain a specific sort of audience for stories with a deeper purpose or meaning, Blade runner 2049 may not have succeeded in the box office but it has become a cult classic, I've never seen the love for this film as bts fans or toxicity, It's people being passionate about a story, A relatablilty, A movie that talks about the meaning of purpose and doing the most humane act, No matter how much shit life gives you, Thank you for reading this if you did, If not no worries.
@@Klim04 I mean, the thing is... people liked it, a lot. The people that decided to give it a shot loved it. It's just the film was made for a very certain demographic that it was bound to fail.
I went to see this in the theater. I watched and enjoyed the whole thing, then as I was leaving, my Samsung watch informed me that I just had a really good 3 hour sleep. I didn't realize my watch was a critic.
A true masterpiece. Narrative-driven with exquisite visuals and a score that touches your soul. The slower the better. It's so sad that this is becoming a thing of the past.
There is no narrative though, K’s story is ultimately pointless with no stakes, over an hour of the run time is wasted through walking in silence. This movie being slow doesn’t make it profound. It’s not clever it’s just pretentious. There are no stakes the entire movie until the final 30 minutes which then had the most dissatisfying conclusion ive ever seen. The only thing that K affects in the story is Indiana jones uniting with his disabled, miracle daughter. The narrative does not do a good job at concluding what could have been interesting. This movie isn’t clever for ending before the story concludes, it’s just shit. I genuinely believe people who say they like this movie are lying to themselves to make themselves feel smart for “understanding art” when There’s nothing to understand, it’s a contrived plot based on following a character who’s presence had no affect on the story
@@danielharries3240what do you mean there's no narrative? You mean story? Or plot? Or what? A political narrative? Message? If you mean story, there's plenty. And the story starts when K finds the bones beneath the tree. One clue leads to another. K makes choices. K makes assumptions. There's plenty of story. Fury Road lacks story. It looks cool, it's kind of fun, but there's almost zero story. No stakes? K's identity is the main stakes. What and who he believes he is, the story he has been telling himself. It has personal stakes, meaningful stakes to the protagonist. Imagine if everything you believe about yourself, your values, your opinions, everything you think is true, was proven wrong. That's what's on the line for K. Sure it doesn't have big end of the world stakes like a marvel film, but Blade Runner isn't that type of story. Doesn't mean there's no stakes. Doesn't mean it's bad. There's never been some 'rule' that says good stories must have end of the world stakes. And to say K has no presence on the plot just isn't true though, is it... If you take him out the story and replace him with another replicant there is no story. He's the only one with Ana's memory, which gives the date meaning and motivates his choices. This makes him lie to superiors, make assumptions that aren't true, makes him disobey orders. As for lying to myself to feel smart, well it would be a strange lie, as the film isn't very artsy or clever. I agree with you there. It's not exactly hard to understand the themes or symbolism (the colour yellow, for example, or what Joi represents). Even my thirteen year old godson discussed the subtext of the importance put on childbirth by the characters in the story, how no families are depicted, that each character is single and childless, and what that could mean. It's definitely not some artsy spectacle shit like The Lighthouse. That's for sure.
@@thomasfairfax4956this movie didn't need to last that long and could've had more events going on, something interesting, at least in the acting or in the script. And the relationship between Deckard and his daughter suddenly becomes important Way in to the film, which sucks, cause to me that is suppose to matter and it totally doesn't. The antagonist are also all over the place, Joy isn't threatening AT ALL, and it's because the actor lacks range and the director balls to direct his actors, (we are not living on an era of great actors right now) and if the antagonist isn't threatening and the audience can't figure out who the biggest threat between wallace and joy is or if you dont get to see why wallace is suppose to be such a threat is just bs at the end, none of them was slightly interesting, nor scary. They shouldve thought about No country for old men when making this, to learn pace, and character building, or Fury Road to learn to tell a simple story which is whatBlade runner 2049 ultimately is, despite all the philosophical stuff people want to project on it ...or learn from the guys who made Uncut gems, there you find character, and more importantly, pacing.
The movie left me in a Post Movie Depression... that is how much the story grew on me in 2 hours. Not many movies make me feel that way anymore, but I hope this movie wont be the last.
You know it's a really good film when you had a post movie depression, films like these are really under-appreciated these days, most people dont "explore" anymore they would just hop on a bandwagon, the same things happening to the music industry, some artists would just make horse shits and sheeps would blindly follow it
You nailed it bro, I also was left with a feeling of loneliness even though at the end it sends a hope message. Maybe is the fact that hope and love are getting drowned more and more as humanity advances and evolves into a super high tech civ.
2049 is the best movie I have seen. That being said, I have only seen it once, and I haven't able to watch it again... but I find myself looking for clips and listening to the music all the time. The sadness that this movie wasn't rewarded as it should have been layers on top of the sadness of the original movie.
Don't worry bro, Denis Villneuve is a genius. As long as he (and other like him) are making movies with beautiful scores and with cinematogprahers like Roger Deakins, cinema will live on and evolve.
Once you are in the pace and flow of the movie, those "pauses" or slow parts are organic. They are not noticeable within the context of experiencing the film.
That's very true, i kinda got bored the first time but when i understood the plot on my second watch it became pretty entertaining and extremely interesting, absolute masterpiece.
Exactly, the dialogues are natural, people need time to think before saying anything, especially with such a dangerous investigation going on. It set the mood, made you take in the gravity of the scene, the impact of the words. Beautiful movie. Rarely see something so perfectly crafted.
It’s because that’s how conversations go In real life. It’s personal. In real life, people aren’t all snappy and quick like MCU movies. People take time to process things and you can see it in the characters in this film.
All the things you stated are part of what makes the movie special to me. For the first time in years I felt like the movie treated me like an intelligent human being capable of paying attention for more than two seconds and drawing his own conclusions.
No great film is too long, no bad film too short. Blade Runner 2049 is a masterpiece that will only grow and find its audience….much like its predecessor.
It’s too artificially long. Such as those scenes where people are just staring and nothing is happening or they take 15 seconds to say 6 words. The movie could have been 25 minutes shorter and been the same movie
@@toptiertech7291 except it makes perfect sense for characters in those scenes to measure their words and take it slow. Thank god those scenes are paced like they are. They behave like actual people instead of glorified text to speech devices.
@@toptiertech7291 this is not real life. this is a different reality and having in mind the world, the situation and the characters it makes perfect sense.
@@xentiment6581 “this is not real life” works for some things like them being replicants and the technology. But the way they talk is stupid, drawn out and slows the movie down. It doesn’t add tension or build suspense. That’s why people didn’t go to see the movie
Antoine Scott Honestly, it’s only been 3 years since its release and I think we’re already getting to the point where everyone thinks it’s amazing. It hurts that general audiences didn’t go, but I’ll always have MY theater experience which was 10/10
the fight at the sea wall in the end was SO visceral. seeing this movie in the theater really impacted me. when I got out to my car, I had to sit and just breathe for a bit before driving. I felt I would be to distracted to drive because my mind was trying to process it. It is my favorite movie, hands down.
It’s so sad that both Blade Runner and his sequel didn’t receive much attention in their time because they are amazing films that become classics years later
I only watched the original and while I think the cinematography and atmosphere were really unique and captivating I had a lot of the issues mentioned in this video. The storytelling was really confusing and seemed to go kinda nowhere for me. In the beginning I enjoyed the shots and visuals but after a certain time the lack of a captivating narrative started to bore me and I lost interest. For me Interstellar for example does a much better job at this. Besides its great pictures it also had an interesting premise which led to me enjoying every aspect of the movie more because it always seemed to matter. I know this is just about opinions at the end of the day but after this video I can already tell that I probably won´t watch this movie because of the uninteresting plot.
@@uncledolan9228 I think I might be able to save you here. I have seen both movies, and I do feel pretty much the exact same way you do about the original. Honestly, up until the last act of the movie, I felt I had no clue what was actually going on storywise, except for a few plot details. I also really didn't enjoy the action (don't get me wrong, I understand at what time the movie was made, but that doesn't change the fact I am watching it today). That being said, Blade Runner 2049 is possibly the best movie I have ever seen. It definitely helps to know the world, I think, because it saves you some attention during the first act. The plot isn't uninteresting though, I can already tell you that much. I watched this movie as a 16 year old and enjoyed the living shit out of it, so it ain't boring, that's for sure. It's also not as all-over-the-place as the original. And that the cinematography is good is out of the question. Since you've already seen the original, I recommend watching the short films released to YT that explain what happens between 2019 and 2049 in the Blade Runner universe. And then choose the biggest screen and the best sound system you have available, and enjoy that beauty.
Uncle Dolan that’s really surprising cause I found blade runners plot to be very compelling. The great thing about the movie is that it implores you to pay close attention to the movie to understand the story better. And I don’t mean this as an insult to you. I watched the movie 3 times to figure out Deckard’s investigation which was very compelling as he found more clues. I feel like some people are easily fooled by the visuals and think that’s all it is. It’s a great investigation movie which is why the Ghost in the shell anime had a similar plot to it.
Because it feels real. Because people need a short moment to think about their response. Because in real life, we do not read things off a script. That's what the MCU gets so wrong. Everyone always has this perfect response ready. Nobody ever seems to need to think.
Watch Dragged Across Concrete. The dialogues in the movie are brilliant, full of these weird little pauses, great story, one of the better movies I've seen lately.
Not every frame ... there are a lot of scenes in 2049 that I find to have very flat, uninteresting lighting and locations .. The one movie where almost every frame is a visual masterpiece is the first Blade Runner, you can literally pause almost anywhere in the movie and get a great great cinematography ... thats why the first movie was a staple in film schools, they use the movie as a great example of what film makers should aspire to ...
I really liked how different this movie was compared to the cookie cutter template that most movies follow. I also liked that is was slower cause I was able to look at every drawn out shot and appreciate the cinematography. I also think the morbid/sad reality that happens throughout the movie perfectly fits the genre. It’s one of my most memorable movies for how un-movie like it was.
I liked the pacing, but the sets were pompous and devoid of interest, the lighting and cinematography were cliched, the CGI was annoying, and the story was limp. It felt like it was made for Chinese censors, to reinforce CCP messages. Family is all-important. The authorities are the authorities. Just accept what happens.
@@gregvanpaassenThere's no way someone could watch BLADE RUNNER and call it a bland, authority washed movie that upholds complacency. The entire setting is bleak for a reason. Bait used to be believable.
@@Nameless_Individual Blade Runner, the original, was and still is my favourite movie. 2049 was so obviously made for the Chinese censors it was robbed of all life and art.
Really this movies always do poorly coz people want Bays 3b boobs buts bombs, cinema stopped being a multidimentional art and just and entreteining art, people know days do not go to the cinema to ponder about life, and thats okey, safly it means that movies like this ones never really go out, coz they dont pay off, the only reason this one ever did is coz it had a big title to back it up so the producers tried to milk it, I recommend that if you enjoy this films turn your eyes to books, there are plenty and they are great
@@gabbar51ngh imo it's great, lets the viewer experience what the main character is feeling. Lets the viewer think and the slowness of it lets the viewer savor every frame of the movie.
@@CrissAssasin7 I was so disappointed when I heard it flopped while movies like Happy Death Day were SO SUCCESSFUL. This is the primary I hate Happy Death Day.
@@gfilmer7150 It's all about being a commercial movie, movie-making wise Blade Runner is beyond amazing, but if you can't get people to pay for it then you don't win
I find it sad that Dennis believes his movie was too long. It wasn't. I enjoyed every second of it. Then again I am also a fan of the original. I just absolutely loved this movie. I watched it threw times and the last time was a few days ago. Its one of the best movies ever made BTW we do see replicants used for slave labour. The replicants girls are prostitutes for example they work at one of the pleasure houses. They don't choose to become prostitutes. In another scene we see them talk about selling replicants and adding in pleasure models etc etc
Exactly. Another thing I'd like to point out is that, in a few scenes it was stated that the replicants were made for specific purposes, for instance, "workers" and "pleasure models". It was also implied that everything about their lives are controlled, manufactured, calculated, and that their free will is ultimately an illusion, a recurrent theme that defines the cyberpunk genre. I also sensed that humans and replicants are intentionally not distinguished, as the film begs the question, of what makes an individual human. The protagonist, a replica, chose to die for a father to reunite with his child, even after the acknowledgement of him never being a part of this relationship; Mr. Wallace, a human, was machine-like and cruel to his creations. In this scenario, a replica has more humanity than a real human.
At the moment I didn't realize it, but K having not to fight his way to get information feels really refreshing. Almost every other film feels like it goes by those rules, that you must have conflict and obstacles to get where you are going, which often feel really forced. Not having that here felt really refreshing.
It's turned into a trope that the main character always struggles to get to the goal. It's so bad that whenever there is a resolution you know that yet another thing is going to come up to block them.
"general audiences" is becoming a swear word lately. Breaks my heart when these far richer experiences don't make money, because it instantly has an effect. How many masterpieces has the tepid response of "general audiences" cost us...
I think that twist is what made the movie great, because while he isn’t special it shows just how close they are to humans that he could think he was the special one.
Exactly! I told that to my friends. K isn't "destined" to be great, he isn't "special", he's not a "chosen one", his fate doesn't led him to greatness. He ACHIEVES greatness by doing what he chooses to do, because he believes in what he does
@@MrX2192 I completely agree. I think one of the cool things at the end is that k dies actually feeling the snow, which he had been attempting to do in the movie. And then it contrast that with the actually human (Ana) when she can only feel fake snow. And the end of the movie, I think, begs the question. Who truly lived? And who was truly human? I felt it didn’t mash well with audiences because stories tell a common story, what should our ideals be? But in a postmodern world we don’t really understand narrative anymore. And so this story doesn’t explore what the human ideal is, but what does it mean to be human. And humans have value systems. And I think the highest value, or ideal, is the process that produces values, which is something like the human spirit. It’s a beautiful movie, but I think the postmodernist don’t appreciate it.
I actually liked the lower speed of the film. In a world where every other movie flashes whatever it got in the least amount of time possible, being able to breathe was a welcome feature of the film.
Blade runner rythm and subtlety was very refreshing. It let you immerse in the universe and it's not "ON YOUR FACE". I enjoyed every minute of that movie back in october 2017... but I knew it wouldn't please everyone. People with who I was watching it find it long and there was almost no one to watch it. People are, saddly, too much accustomed to fastpaced movie like marvel, Fast and furious or the new star wars.
not just being able to breath but to think too : in classic blockbusters, they might as well give us the script since the actors are often basically telling us everything we need to know, while Blade Runner 2049 give us time to think about what we just saw and where the plot could go next, which is great
Pacing is hugely important for mood. 2001, Once Upon A Time in the West, most Kurosawa movies expand time to make you fully stay with a mood and let you really absorb it. I loved the pacing in 2049, sometimes you need to feel the discomfort that the characters feel and aren’t allowed to just walk away from.
I love this movie. However, to be totally fair, had I watched it in theatres, it would not have done it justice. I think I was honestly pausing every 15 - 20 minutes to look something up on the wiki or internet to truly appreciate all the subtleties
Give me a break. It's just lifeless areas devoid of music and spark of a soul. It's heen done before and better even by lower budget films. It's like saying JJ abrams cinematography is good. It's just 4k sand, and more sand, and rocks, and totally empty, weird interior architecture with a yellow filter. The end. The original's cinematography was amazing not because of insane filtering or "up your own ass " levels of " OMG THIS ROCK IS IN 4K! LOOK AT IT!" Like fucking Ridley does so blatantly without meaning these days. That film was incredible because it was working together with the music and the idea of showing a grand futuristic world in a light of awe and the focus remained as such, whilst also showing that the world is actually alive. The prequel to this film had more god damn SOUL than the entirety of 2049. And it wasn't even in the fucking film . Where have we seen that before? OHH THATS RIGHT! Alien fucking covenant. You people have no remote clue what good cinematography actually is. Just pretentiously spewing the same nonsense new fans are claiming without being able to think for yourselves. As if it wasn't point enough that Rutger Haur himself magnified the issue of a soul being missing in this film. This film didn't bomb because people dont have interest in these films anymore. This film bombed because Ridley and his followers havent a remote clue in HELL what they are doing anymore.
That's Denis Villeneueve for you. He is so incredibly deliberate about his visual design and what his characters do and say, that you feel like you can go wild considering even the smallest of things that have just happened on-screen. From most other directors except auteur directors that have a similar obsessive-yet-subtle approach, if you did that, you would be wildly overthinking so many things on-screen and you'd either not keep pace with the film, or you'd go nowhere intellectually satisfying, or perhaps just sound like you've done a few lines of coke if you share those wild lateral-thought theories with people. But you *can* do that with Villeneueve films, because that's precisely what he wants you to do, and he really is that careful with what he puts on screen. It's why he was such a good choice for Dune - the book has to explain so much by internal monologue and other non-film-translatable methods. With Dune he was able to put across the core plot in a more straightforward fashion to make a more accessible film, and he does that at the same time as the detailed worldbuilding in the 'small' moments and pieces. His version of the Gom Jabbar scene deviates from the book in a few small ways, but in those small ways, he changed the scene to be, in my opinion, even more effective at sowing the seeds for things later on, and for getting across the true nature of the Bene Gesserit (and Paul Atreides) better than the original book even did.
I seen it on sigma stuff thought I’d give it a shot not just for the sigma stuff it’s cuz it looked like a good film Was told it was slow and boring and not worth it I put that on and not one moment did my notice slip on it I watched it 6 times that day Idk why but I love that film
I couldn't agree more. He's honestly one of my favorite actors for that very reason. He respects the art of film and doesn't care much about fame at all.
If you have an eye for massive artistic landscapes and wanting an experience of a dark sad story which is kinda slow but has such potential and promise then it’s for you ! I think it was very well written and directed and Ryan and Ana de armas’s story arc was tragic that I wish they input more time with them both
While leaving the cinema after seeing bladerunner 2049 I came to the depressing conclusion of “well they’ll never let someone spend $150 million to make a movie like this ever again”
Yeah, i have to disagree on Filmento on the slow and long shots part. Here is an example: Interstellar is a long film, and it is 2h45m long, and it makes nearly 700 mil at the box office, you can say the same with Inception even though the film is very briskly paced, Blade Runner 2049 however failed at the box . The reasons are clear: Christopher Nolan is very popular, Denis Villeneuve isn't and Blade Runner isn't a popular IP. But WB thought Villeneuve was very well known and BR was huge, so they did the mostly same strategy like they did with Nolan's films. And it didn't end well. I still freaking love 2049 but it was horribly marketed.
@@snack491 well i still respect WB for giving this movie a shot otherwise there aren't many studios left anyway with disney gobbling up everything and i can guarentee that disney would not make any such movie after they abandoned TRON
K/Joe has such an amazing arc. He didn’t want to be just “another replicant”, he wanted to be something more, so it was devastating to see him learn he wasn’t the child of Rick. But reflecting on the events that happened throughout the movie, Joe did the most human thing to do, and saved Rick to help him reunite with his child. At the conclusion of the movie, Joe ended up becoming a lot more than just “another replicant”. Despite being a replicant, Joe proved he was more human than a lot of humans, and that he had a purpose. I believe he died in a way he would want to, to have purpose and to have a life worth reflecting upon. That’s why I love his arc and his character. It’s just so deep and poetic :) And this movie is still amazing in 2024
@asadabdulqaabir4006 I feel like both movies are really about what it really means to be human, or at least sentient or conscious. Moreover, I feel that we are forgetting this lesson as we continue to advance Artificial Intelligence.
This is my favourite movie of all time. It is exactly the lenght of the shots that give it character and makes it immersive. Seeing scenes from this movie or hearing music that aligns with it ( after dark by mr kitty is a great example ) makes me relive these feelings like I wasn't just watching a movie, but I was K myself. Honestly breathtaking
I completly approve the pace of this film. It gives me the chance and time to build my own recreation of the world I'm being shown. Is more like reading a book, or a comic, in wich you can somehow "pause" the narrative just to explore deeper in the layers of that reality and make it yours. I wouldn't change a coma.
I only watch it the first time once. I become increasingly impatient on repeated viewings so I prefer conceptually dense and quick pacing to maintain engagement. If you consume a lot of media in general then plots become increasingly predictable. Creativity and art reveals itself best when there are heavy constraints. If you're creative you'll have experienced adding everything initially only to eventually remove it all to strengthen the message.
@@dangerfly The other day I watched this for the 10th time. It felt like the 10th time watching it. I think it was actually the 10th time. Still so good.
I like exactly the things that those people consider "flaws". Drawn-out artistic shots are amazing for world-building. If you watch Bladerunner just for the story, without appreciating the world behind it you're missing half the point.
I'd go to a gallery if I wanted to spend 20 minutes examining pictures. This is a film and them stopping so often because they think their art style is the greatest only ruined the pace. Add to that the dull characters and the story that really doesn't go anywhere and feels more like a setup for a sequel makes this movie a torture to watch.
I think interpreting Joi as "it was never real anyway" is missing the point by far, it was the most real of all, because he can't replace it with another Joi.
Yeah, he did put "real" in quote unquote marks at 9:28 to emphasize the unusual moral quandary that 'real' is, when it comes to Joi. So I think he does get that much.
I think the point was that Joi didn't have emotions. She couldn't even truly care for K. That was the point of the scene with the giant version. She called K "joe" just like his version of Joi did. Witch means that even the most intimate moments were programmed in.
People fail to understand that scene. The whole movie is a bunch of characters choices that eventually make k human. Joe had to kill Sapper Morton but in doing so found miracles. Then joe had to find the child, which he then believes to be him. Now he believes he has the potential to have a soul. By not killing himself he makes a choice. He fails his baseline test and has to run. The fact that k made a choice is y he failed the test. Joe wants to find Deckerd to have a father son moment. But Deckerd tells us he never has to meet his daughter because loving someone can mean ur a stranger. (This is important for later) when joi is killed I’d say this is his life altering feeling. It doesn’t really matter if he loves her or not. It was a feeling that was real to him. As humans I’m sure u have an insane thing u love to much. Maybe u keep ur dead dads watch because u feel it’s a part of him. Maybe ud die for ur wife bc u think she’s the reason u live everyday. Emotions are personal, that’s y they are human. Now wat happens next is wat makes the movie “woke” because people didn’t understand. W this replicant oppression they want to start their woke revolution. The chick w the missing eye believes this is only achievable by killing Deckerd, the last link to the revolution, Wallace and the child. When joe is walking on the bridge realizing he isn’t special he sees the joi ad. He finds that he may not be special, but his emotions were special. The choice to save Deckerd makes no sense, joe almost guarantees failure. But even in the face of failure we get to c him make choices. And he choses to die so a father and a daughter can reunite. He dies for strangers. People believe joes choice to save was born from woke ideas. But I don’t believe that and neither should u. Joe did this so he could feel something permanent and become human. The emotions he felt don’t disappear like tears in rain, they are permanent and special to him. They will leave imprints, like tears in snow.
Denis Villeneuve is a genius. I love every frame of this film, such a rare cinematic gem in all the cheap, hallow, fast food films today. I love a good spectacle popcorn movie too, but these kind of movie really pull me in, and it's a shame such craft doesn't get the same kind of attention and recognition.
Tbh, I actually like the Twist where it's revealed K isn't Deckard's kid. "The main characters being related to each other" reveal has kinda been done to death lately.
@@mariog1490 it's the story and insertion in the movie to try to find out the truth that matters the most, and all the questions that the character like K brings to the table, like if you are not the main character do your life and choices even matter?
It was a magnificent twist. K thought that because he was the kid it made him special, it made him human. He starts making his own choices and showing more emotions like you would expect a human to do. That's why when it's revealed he is a replicant it's such a devastating reveal for him. He's not a human yet he still feels all the emotions he did, he still made those choices. In the end I think he sort of realised that he doesn't need to be "born" by human definition to feel or be an individual. In the end he makes his own choice to save Deckard and reunite him with the kid because that's what he thinks is the right thing to do and it's what he wants to do.
It was so good. It gave K a chance to make a choice. He wasn't born special, but he could choose to be special; he could choose to help Deckard and his daughter reunite. And he did.
Long shots makes the audience feel much more "in the movie". Was used in great movies such as The God Father and 2001. It is really sad people in general doesn't enjoy this.
Jupp, was the first time in a long time I actually felt like I was moving around in the world with the characters on screen. I also had time to observe what they were watching which was nice.
I loved the quiet moments and the fact that the creators give you time to develop a sense of place. Watching K sit in Sapper's house as the garlic boiled was one of my favorite moments.
I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t call this ‘art house’. Art house is usually very intimate with its settings & characters. This world is vast, & aside from Joi & K, all of the protagonists are hardly in the film. Lastly, for the most part-art house is shit. BR2049 is amazing.
@@Red-Eyed_Goose art house Is usually pretty deep to the point that people sometimes over or underate it, but to be honest this might not be arthouse, but really it's smarter than the vast majority of modern cinema, and it is a shame more people didn't appreciate this movie when it came out. I for one wholeheartedly regret not seeing this in cinema, and that's after watching it on TV
Hard disagree. It’s a perfect sequel to the original. A sequel. If you haven’t watched the first one, and don’t like it, then you shouldn’t have watched it in the first place.
also great work as usual Filmento, you pointed out right things. Seeing shots like this seems really long but watching the movie i got so pulled in..the beautiful lightning and world build was jaw dropping that i didn't even notice how time flies. I liked those silent moments, they felt real. But for people who are more simple popcorn film fans this may be a huge turn off hence the flop :(
But did it flop? It didnt lose money contrary to what filmento says. I think Europe saved the movie. It ended up gather around 250 million and only cost 150 million. It was made for die hard fans.
The movie hinted that there were two children: one died in birth and the other was hidden. It leaves the impression that the agent could be this child. The same way the first movie hinted that deckard wasn't human. Is this movie we also saw the blind evil man suggesting that to deckard. I love this movie, and I watched twice in theaters (very rare situation for a 40yo father of two boys). I'm sad that the movie flopped, but I'm immensely happy that it exists.
I don't see why, it shares none of the original's atmosphere, almost none of its design, definitely none of its background, its not even slightly noir, and the story is failing to ripoff the original.
@@Spartan322 Well people have opinions, i didn't compare it to the original when i watched it, it was a good movie by itself, in fact, I liked the atmosphere here even more.
@@faz2k If you aren't gonna compare it against the original, then what's the point of having a sequel? You don't build a story based on an original if you aren't gonna expand upon it, especially when you burn and insult the original and do your absolute best to spit on it
Only an idiot looks at a sequel and tries not to relate it to the original, a sequel should be based on the original, and not destroy it. Too bad that's what 2049 does. Its pretty clear how little people actually care about storytelling, because 2049 was terrible, yet for some reason people are so blinded by fake complexity they can be easily fooled, I can bet you (and I'm happy for it) that's why it failed, the original did not flop like this.
I just rewatched it and this movie is absolutely a masterpiece. There was a line in the movie that got me so emotional and k dont even really know why. When k is talking to the one eyed lady, the leader of the resistance and she says to him " oh you thought it was you... We all wish it was us.. and thats why we believe" my eyes got a little moist.
Movie without Conflict = FAILURE GRRM knows the heart in conflict with itself is literature and cinematic Gold A replicant that's awakening in thought suddenly is snuffed out for no reasons is boring trash
Why did everyone expect 2049 to be some blockbuster hit? Blade Runner wasn't a hit. It was a slow burn, finally hitting a crescendo with the release of the final cut in 2007. Scott kept the ember smoldering for 15 years by that point. Blade Runner 2049 was a masterpiece movie that wasn't meant to be a conventional blockbuster.
So that logic says 15 yrs 2049 will be another Masterpiece. Eggggxelent. Good good. Will be remembered in history n not forgotten like all the other BEYism blockbusters.
Sebbe R Not really bud. The Irishman is a movie adaptation of a book called ‘I heard you paint houses’. The only thing it shares with Goodfellas is the Mafia and a director. You’d have to be really stupid to think like that. Good job bud.
@@deadmeme4276 Almost carbon copy history to Goodfellas (I've recently learned the movies are based on two different books, but still they're way too similar); Scorsese chose actors that are way too old to play their roles (De Niro could barely move in the fight scene with the clerk that mistreated his daughter) and above all, it's a 3 hours 29 minutes film. If you can't make a standard length film, you better plan a mini series. Most people watched it in two parts because it's tedious and long.
His JOI death was very significant to Joe/K action to help Deckerd reunited with his daughter. He realized no matter who you are, a human or a replicant, born or manufactured, AI or not, as long as you life and die for others you are "A Real Human Being and A Real Hero" and the ending really give a cathartic feels to conclude the story like the original movie did.
It’s so cool to have movies like this pop up every once in awhile. It’s so rare for something with this level of funding to get this experimental. It has been my favorite film of all time ever since it came out.
The original Bladerunner is a technical masterpiece. The effects and set design very much hold up today. However, I sort of find it insufferably boring, if nice to look at. Bladerunner 2049 is a dramatic improvement in every single category. Better pacing, better characterization, better plot, and the visuals are amazing. I really like 2049.
@@latviesulegionars8806 to be honest, the new one is an incoherent mess, but what can you expect nowadays from the film industry. Incredible cinematography and world building, interesting premise but nonsensical execution at times. At the last chase scene I was asking out loud "Hey wait, how the fuck we got to this scene? Everyone just teleported here because the movie needed an ending?"
Now imagine me seeing the 1982 one in 1984 as a teen, that future was feasible for 2019. Still glad we have no flying cars with so many idiots around now a day.
There have been many talks about a Blade Runner 3 which means one happening hasn't been take off the table, which is very surprising considering the box office of 2049.
Blade Runner 2049 is probably my favorite cinematic experience ever. There're few films that I regret not going to the theater to witness, I'm glad that this film is not in this category.
Films that treat the audience like competent people are always an amazing experience it’s great when a director will just show you a snapshot of the world and what’s going on instead of a neat little story with clear endings to plot lines. Life doesn’t always end cleanly personally the way they just killed the love interest invokes the right emotion that of injustice. Definitely one of the best films of the decade
After leaving the theaters, I was convinced this was one of the best movies I had ever seen. And 2/3 of my friends with me fell asleep, and the last friend just said the first movie was better lol
@@akosleoszilagyi2529 I still had no idea what the plot of the first film was, I can understand the second one no problem. First one is pretty boring and dated.
I feel like the long drawn out scenes compliment one of the main concepts of the movie. That we aren’t special. By having to wait for any type of resolution the viewer (or at least me) gets such a bigger hit of emotion when something is finally resolved. Watching Wallace kill the poor replicant in such a drawn out scene made luvs subtle tears that much impactful.
It’s a masterpiece, it’s about a guy who loses everything and doesn’t matter in this world. He lost all his hope and purpose, but found his purpose in his people eventually, and willing to sacrifice himself in a bigger picture.
Sadly the bigger picture isn't something worth while, when you realize the child still isn't a viable human, and the Replicants put way too much hope on a biologically compromised individual.
@@anvos658 Even if she isn't fertile and is just an anomaly, for K it doesn't diminish the value of his actions and that's what someone like Wallace can never understand. Wallace has infinite comfort, wealth and prestige but a crippling God complex to the point where he can create sentient, emotional beings but sees no value in them because they can't reproduce. The hybrid being and her father will both die one day and it's possible that the line will end with them, it's possibly and overwhelmingly likely that their meeting will be forgotten to history, but it's the fact that it was able to happen at all that's important. Go back to Roy Batty: "All those moments will be lost in time like tears in the rain". It doesn't last forever, but does that mean that it's worthless? For Wallace, yes. For K, no.
This was an existential movie for me. The scene where he sees Joy in the advertisement, at this point both Joy and Lt Joshi are dead and he realizes he's not special, the structure of his world and belief system upended. He looks at his gun, and an intense Hans Zimmer score starts. He's an android who's had an existential crisis and is deciding to exercise his freedom to act.
@@mcleanblades9234 He doesn't have a belief system, but he believed that Joy loves him, he believed that he is the son of Deckard, he believed he is meant for something grander than himself. But all of that are either lies or broken. The only thing he knows now and truly believed at that moment, is that he is a nobody replicant who can do whatever he wanted, he knows he is free to do whatever act he thought is worth doing
Great thing about BR2047 is that when youre watching a scene, youre just there, youre not just waiting to move on to the next plot development. and having scenes where people are just livivng and not overcoming obstacles, makes the world feel like a real place.
Yeah seriously that bit about how he isn't blocked and challenged at every little step like going to the archive is like, what? How is it bad that they didn't have all the tedious and repetitive bits of most movies??
True, when the cinema lights on im not immediately stand up. Just sit for a while and started thinking what am i watching ? This is a masterpiece. Im sorry for broken english im from asia.
Your arguments are well presented, but you made the point in the first few seconds of your video. Most people dont want to think, they dont want to reflect, they just want to glare at flashing lights and witness loud sounds for specific leangth of time, no less no more.
@@ALFABETAS999 It's more in the way of the original Blade Runner: The world wasn't ready for it, yet. Yet another way in which Blade Runner 2049 is a perfect sequel.
I’ve talked to people about how much I love this movie, and most common response is, “what movie?” I will paint and keep this movie on in the background, and the orange skies are super inspiring, and how it communicates both shadow and ecstasy just really resonates.
The ending is not just about K dying, but the fact that he dies. What makes him 'special' is not who he is, but what he does. He thinks that being the first replicant born will enable him to break from his chains and be his own person, just like a human: when in fact he breaks his chains simply by deciding to. Those tears in rain have formed a life sustaining pool that will live on in the memories...
Marvel has ruin the movie industry. People are expecting jokes and rainbow colors on every movie made. Marvel movies are simple and basically the same crap over and over
@@retlawx10 on the other hand, we have this movie, where we met Deckare's daughter in the middle of the movie, and just one time, without even knowing about it, until nearly the end and eventually, Deckard met his daughter. and that's it. good for him i guess...
@@davidwilson8432 in the other hand marvel mentioned thanos once or twice after 20 movies and all of the sudden there he is looking for those pebbles and taking all over the universe
I loved the movie but it was clearly for a more niche audience. Maybe the failure is putting 300m into a niche movie. It made a lot, but didn't make investment back
headjump I don’t know if ive been living under a rock with most of my friends. i literally texted and asked 51 of my friends. 40 never knew there was a new blade runner, 7 loved it, & 4 said meh. I just finished it. I love it. And ive never seen the first ones! Although i also like cyberpunk....
It explores the 'We are special when we determined to be', K's death is beautiful because he choose to be more human, and doing the very human decision even though he is not special. But you can see that his acceptance of death is in joy and fulfillment, that is already outrageously special as a replicant. JOI's death was a slap on his face that, being AI, and such as he is a replicant , it was JUST LIKE THAT, POOF. That he 'is' a fleeting being, despite being convinced that he was something. I love everything about this movie, I think i can related to what the director and writer sees to bring out of this film.
Yes I love this your not special because who your borne at but because of what you do. To quote another cinematic genius: "I dosent matter who I am underneath, it's what I do that defines me "
@Gerry C I thought it was pretty obvious he was dying when they showed all the blood he was losing after he sat down and opened his coat. He was losing his energy due to blood loss and decided to lie down and have a few moments of peace before the end.
Yes, I agree. I wonder if the director was trying to challenge the audience by asking if we care less about the main character after we found out he wasn't the Miracle. He's the same person irregardless
@Gerry C Replicants aren't machines. They're more like artificial people created for a specific purpose, slave labour basically. They are given certain physical attibutes based on their purpose (slave miring or a detective like K) but other than that they are essentially just lab-grown humans. The line between replicants and humans is so thin and the main difference is humans can have kids and replicants can't. That's why K's captain told him to kill the child. If replicants can start having children, then that line gets erased and the question "What's the real difference between a replicant and a human?" is essentially nothing. K shows emotion throughout the film although it's not obvious it's quite subtle in most cases. His breakdown at finding out he's "human", him lying to Joi his dinner looks good since he cares about her, his hesitation at getting orders to kill the child and his subtle annoyance at Deckard when they first talk about the child when he thinks Deckard doesn't give a shit.
It's insane how much this film reminds me of Barry Lyndon. It expects a lot from the viewer and doesn't patronize them. A lot of mainstream audiences found the movie boring and thought that nothing happened. Both have themes that don't appeal to mainstream audiences. They use long holding shots to convey the story and let you sit with the world and the characters for a moment, and have characters that aren't often very emotive. Both were huge monetary flops. In time, this film will be considered an underrated masterpiece just like that. Unfortunately films are products before anything else and, chances are that if you want to make something truly special, it's not going to be appreciated in its time, and it probably won't be monetarily successful. Basically it flopped because it was too good.
@@ErebosGR It is easily among of the best looking films of all time from a set design and fictional stand point. Don't know where you're coming from to say he didn't see much films. That's just plain patronizing.
That’s probably right,I barely saw any trailer of this movie,like maybe two in total and very far from each other,but then nothing,glad that I got to see tho cuz it became one of my favorite movie
The marketing was kind of done on purpose to not spoil too much of the movie or raise any undesirable expectations. How many times have you seen a trailer for a movie and immediately be able to tell the entire plot?
@@nash-p That's called bad advertising and/or bad writing. If the entire plot is obvious from a 30 second ad, your movie is way too simplistic. If I know the entire plot of a movie from an ad, I'll never watch the movie because any movie that can be properly explained with what little you can fit into an ad isn't going to be a fun movie to watch, whether or not you know the plot going into it
Saw it two nights in a row on release, once for the audiovisual experience, once for the plot subtleties. It is a masterpiece and that rarest of things - a worth sequel to a cinematic classic. It doesn't work so well on the small screen, but it is a reminder of what big-screen cinema is for - total immersion in every detail, every facial nuance, every fleeting nugget of sci-fi audio gold, every panorama, every artistic concept and set design in the most coherent, captivating vision of the future that's ever been put on film, IMHO
BR2049 is a story about a "machine" learning the joys and sorrows of a human. Most people can't relate to feeling not only empty inside, but completely disconnected to everyone else. To those who can this movie is immensely powerful and I am thankful that it exists.
@Toxic Potato general audiences arent making that decision, its production companies who insist on bending the knee to an annoying vocal minority. Also theres nothing inherently wrong with unrepresented groups to gain more chances to participate in the industry anyways. What truly matters is whether their inclusion is preachy. general audiences dont give a shit, they just wanna watch entertertaining movies.
@@ZeZwede I found the symbolic value so powerful in the ending shots: The "machine" could feel the very real snow in his last dying breaths (presumably), while Harrisons daughter just had the artificial snow, and that's all she has ever known in her sterile environment... makes you wonder who "truly lived"... while at the same time reminding us to not spend too much time in the virtual world ourselves, what I have been very guilty of and will be very guilty of soon when CP 2077 launches).
Besides, 'slow' is often a good thing imo. Movies like gits, bladerunner, patlabor etc have space to breathe, let the audience think, gives you a chance to be immersed in the world. I'd say that's a large reason Miyazaki's films feel the way they do too. Imagine if it was all action and no pauses.
OR you could see it in a completely different way: The question brought up in both Blade Runner movies is "what makes me human?" The whole movie is about K finding his humanity. Throughout the movie, he constantly is belittled by everyone for being a replicant; he’s not real to anyone, not even to himself. But deep down, he knows there's something more, but because of his job and the world he lives in, he won't accept it. His girlfriend (Joi) isn’t real either, he doesn't think he deserves a real one, and he sees himself in her. As the story starts off, Joi is not real and there is this depressing look into a deeply lonely individual (K) who has resorted to artificial companionship because he has literally no one else. But as the story continues, and he begins to think that he may actually be this prophecy child, he begins to realize that maybe he is real. He starts breaking down, realizing that this whole time he was right, that what his girlfriend told him was right, that he is special. Because of this he begins acting human, he goes against what he's told - he lies, as he believes he really is real, that he has a soul. But after it is revealed to him that he isn't this child, he loses hope. He faces an existential crisis. It's akin to believing you're something special, a "chosen one", but then it comes crashing down, since it was fake and your hope shattered. The resistance tells him to kill Deckard, and he begins to act as he did at the beginning of the film, just following orders. But before he does, he sees Joi’s giant advertising hologram (eyes all black, imparting an emptiness mirroring what K is feeling at the moment), and then K realizes something. He realizes this whole time, she was just as unreal as he was. But he loved her just the same. When Joi says "I'm so happy when I'm with you" and when she speculates that K may be the child of Deckard and Rachael, that is the programming. But Joi gradually develops real feelings for K: her chime going off when K meets Luv and again when he meets Mariette (jealousy), she worries when K is knocked unconscious in San Diego, her comment in the three-way scene: "I want to be real for you", her rude treatment of Mariette the morning after the three-way, the surprising suggestion that she wants to be completely stored in the emanator, “like a real girl”, and finally when Luv is about to destroy the emanator, the despairing and heartfelt "I love you!" right before she is destroyed. It makes no difference whether a person is made up mostly of DNA or binary code. Your emotions come from the observed actions of other humans (or lack thereof) and Joi is as real to K as any human ever could be, because her actions are not only human but they seem even more human than the actions of other humans in the movie who are presented as cruel and lifeless. So, it hits him, if I can believe she is real, why can't I believe I am real? He realizes that this whole time, he always had a soul, that everything he did while he thought he was this "child", the way he acted, that was him. The memory of the horse is a palliative for K. The the voice over: "dying for the right cause is the most human thing a person can do." This not only alludes to him, but to Joi too. She risked her life to help him, and died because of it. Joi herself isn't real, but her love for K is genuine. You can never program an emotion, that's a theme to both movies. It is developed, but it can't be manufactured. None of her counterparts would show concern if he were injured, like she did. None of them would try to stop Luv from killing him, like she did. And in the end when she realized she was going be destroyed she said the very words he wanted to hear "I love you" when she could have said anything else. K realizes that she was real. Him realizing she is real, is his "miracle" (the memory flashback to what Sapper said) that gives him a reason to believe he too is real. He then uses this freedom to go against what he is told, freeing Deckard, reuniting him with his daughter, and then dying peacefully (just like Roy from the first Blade Runner movie). Instead of being told what to do again, K decides to do something different. His actions of saving Deckard and letting him meet his daughter, says something else about his feelings for Joi. K decided that Joi was real for him in the end, that he did feel love for her. And to solidify this humanizing aspect of him, he chooses to sacrifice himself out of compassion for Deckard, to let him feel love in the end as well by reuniting him with his daughter. He has now proven to himself that he was always real and is more human than human. He lets the snow land on him, just like the rain did on Joi earlier in the film when she discovered she was real. He is real. He is free. The movie clearly comes down on the side that says a soul isn't given but earned. K becomes human by the choices he makes and earns his humanity (or "soul") by the movie's end. That's one the of the miracles that Sapper alludes to. After trying to prove himself human and work to be human and an individual the entire movie, his last act is truly the most human thing one can do. He thought he loved only to have it torn away, he thought he was the replicant baby only to have that torn away. He was waiting to be granted humanity by someone or something else, and by the time this scene rolls around, he has finally become human by making the decision himself.
Love this take. I always find the scene where K goes to resuce deckard on the ship to be the most powerful and biblical moment in the story. After everything he's lost he could have even done the human thing and sucummbed to hate or given up but instead he chooses to risk his life and very existence to save another and in a way becomes "more human than human". What a perfect homage to the original film.
Some excellent points, and I think you’re right in that it demands a lot from the audience. It’s a meditative journey about what it means to be human, but it’s all in the subtext, and I find this fascinating with K’s journey.
"The captains actions and death were completely for nothing". Just like most peoples. I know it's not "Hollywood" but I think it's great. It's real and bleak. Most people die suddenly and for no reason. I also love the "not special" part. We all think we're special. We are all the heros of our own lives but we're just specks of dust in the cosmos.
You know what's not great? Wasting 3 hours of your life while also completely fucking up your emotions. I watch a movie to relax, to have fun. Watching Blade Runner 2049 was interesting. It was intriguing and it was deep. You know what it wasn't? Fun. The pacing was slow and the fight scenes dragged on for way too long. I stopped being excited at who would win and started praying that it would finally end so that the plot can finally move along. Despite what some people want to say, crushing the average viewers expectations over and over again, is not good writing. Any angsty teenager can write about a character that loses everything and amounts to nothing. Of course, it takes a truly skilled writer to do it well. But the plot point of someone losing everything and amounting to nothing isn't really unique. Is it a good movie? Depends on the metric. My metric is based on my enjoyment. And I did not enjoy Blade Runner 2049. Movies are meant to help you escape reality, not hammer it in. Imagine if a suicidal teen saw this movie, how would they feel by the end?
yeah that's called real life we see that everyday it's not a rare thing, what's rare is being a hero and being special, that's what audiences want to see, not real life bacause real life is already bleak, people are trying to escape it by watching movies
@@vulpine3431 its called cinematography and story writing , you might watch movies or stories for escapism, others might not. What is the 'average viewer' more relates to the times , the original Blade Runner is very similar to this but people well received because people where more open to exploring philosophy in story telling and other concepts , they where more stable in how they saw themselves, but today more people look to movies so as to escape the problems of their lives and the fact they don't feel special with themselves , its not about being an angst teenager , its about peoples general mentality and today people are filled with depression than anything else, so seeing it on the big screen today is really hard to convey inside peoples minds. I mean I'm not going to lie to myself allot of films that allot of us would even call great from say like directors like Quientin Taratino , wouldn't work if he started releasing them in today's atmosphere . Mind you though I do also Love the Marvel movies (like really LOVE them), but I'm watching them because I like the stories and have been a fan of Marvel from when I was young reading comics , I'm not watching it for escapism. Me personally Ive never watch a movie or story as a form of escapism (Its a personal belief of mine that if your looking for escapism , then you really need to change the circumstances of your life , cause escapism just seems like weakness to me) , I watch movie' and read stories for the intrigue ,the concepts put forward and for the possible scenarios that can come of it as related to reality then also with how well they can all be presented through different skills of filmography. So for me, I Loved this film and it hurts me more than anything that because of all this 'stuff' making it not to succeed , I know there wont be another sequel any time soon , because the cinematography was on point.
@@vulpine3431 I remember people complaining back then how movies are predictable and unoriginal and now we have this I am glad this movie exists to show people not all movies follow the same formula maybe this movie's bitter taste in your mouth can open your mind if not, you can always watch Star Wars or Avengers to have fun.
Yup. The only mistake with the movie was spending more money than they should. With a more humble budget, I think it would have have performed better in the end.
I disagree, 'general audiences' only watching superficial/bad movies means that we get more of them. We need to reignite the public's perception of film as an art form and not just entertainment
The movie did $260 million at the box office. I have no idea what people are banging on about. It was not the sort of film that was going to do $700 million. The original only did $40 million at the box office.
@@bighands69 Because cost of production isn"t quite the same as it was 40 years ago... take all the vfx artist, the actor,and production and... well you should be at about 150 milions... now you might think. oh well tha's great then about a 120 milion in benzefice? well wrong. you still have communication, publicity and all that jazz whiwh is usually about the same as the production cost...
I actually loved the movie. I was really satisfied that it wasn't another attention deficit disorder treatment with stimulation bombardment. It's real cinema, artful, well crafted, immersive and unique with its own aesthetic. I think marketing was the problem. That it is slow is a virtue of the film and adds to the aesthetic, not the cause of its lack of box office hits. That's a symptom of poor marketing. The film was pure cinema, pure art.
Same here, I hate that peopIe nowadays are so dumb, that even some Ionger memes are too Iong for them to read them. They buy a videogame, then skip fcking cutscenes. And just try, try to show your friend a song Ionger then 3 minutes... Is it reaIIy that hard to focus? Does it fcking hurt them? I don't get it.
@@6Hell6oopz6 It's really weird. As someone who literally has ADHD, I can still focus better than most people I've met. Just give me something to actually focus on and I'm hooked. Then again, that's why some people end up working at McDonald's their whole life while some people get out there and make something of their life. I work in automotive service at the moment, and I've known guys that are doing nothing but oil changes for 20 years. A lot of people just want what's easy. They don't want to work their brain for something actually satisfying
@@filmandfirearms I get how you can be Iazy when it comes to ambition and work- not everybody want Iuxury Iife, some peopIe are satified with just having peacefuI Iife. But I don't get how you can be Iazy with consuming entertainment? It's Iike pissing on your own dinner before eating.
Took the words right out of my mouth. This movie literally isn't made for the people that enjoy 2 hour long commercials like Marvel movies. It's a thought-provoking, slow-paced movie that actually breaks away from the cliches that plague cinema and all capitalistic entertainment ventures these days. The very cliches that people "claim" not to like, but get galvanized to denounce with parodical fanaticism at the moment's notice when they can't locate them in their entertainment.
up until now i thought this movie was a complete success. i had no idea that so many people reacted so negatively to it. to me it's an absolute masterpiece.
i loved how slow the movie was because I was able to get free time to admire everything within. it was great to see that they keep respecting the long/slow side of the 80s one as well, i think this is why is beautiful. its sad that maybe those popular reviews for this movie are a reflection of what we are becoming: basically we are being more lazy mind wise, we need continous stimulation and to get things done right away. this movie can remind us to just chill and gaze :)
Yeah I can chill and gaze in real life. If I’m paying to watch a story then I want to see something happening. It doesn’t have to be constant. But when 30+ minutes go by without anything of importance happening then it’s a waste of time
In short: Although nothing tastes better than a properly home-cooked meal, people are too lazy put in some effort in the kitchen. People prefer the McDrive junkfood over an actual good meal. Unfortunately the "instant" mentality drags itself to the cinema. Blade Runner 2049 was amazing and it's super sad that we'll barely ever see movies like this anymore.
bro the trailers were awesome pew pew shooting, flying car and neon lights... the average person who enjoys "Mcdrive" would have gone to see this right?
@@Happyjethappy not exactly. There was like one explosion and not much action in the trailer. But, people ask arround and knowing what kind of the movie was original they can figure out it is not an action for dummies.
Ironically, people that go and get the fast food spend about as much time in a drive-thru that they would doing prep and cooking. Many things can be made fairly quickly if you plan ahead. Also, slow cookers exist for a reason.
Most Americans only see a few movies a year, so it would make sense for a general audience to latch onto franchises they know. Most people do this because it is almost guaranteed to not waste their money. Also, you say that there aren't any slow movies anymore, I feel like you might be looking in the wrong places for them if that's your conclusion.
Indeed. We have enough of those ADHD generation shitfests that are so packed with action without substance that you just zone out. Mortal Engines comes to mind as one of the worst ones I've watched lately.
I was watching the movie yesterday for the second time with a buddy of mine. I loved the slow pasting, expositions and the "show don't tell" type of story telling. The movie absolutely absorbed me. The long scenes left so much room for thinking about what you are actually seeing. It left so much room for interpreting, understanding and feeling what the characters feel. K almost never verbally expressed what he was thinking and feeling, instead it was shown to us with long-lasting shots of his emotions. Ryan Gosling did such an incredible job with it. My friend I was watching the movie with almost fell asleep several times and was happy when it was finally over.
The original was a subtle dystopian film noir sci fi that asked big questions and engulfed you in its world and atmosphere. I saw it as a teen and I was mesmerized by it, it's my all-time favourite film. Same goes for the sequel, it was magnificent if you knew what you were getting into.
@@GeeTrieste Exactly. Well said. For example, in the first, you really inhabit Deckard's room. Scott takes time out of the plot for beautiful moments of introspection and reflection - like Deckard on the balcony with blanket and whiskey glass as the spinners float by below. It conjures up feelings. There's a connection there. We empathise with Deckard. By contrast, K's apartment was sterile. There were no "balcony" moments with K. The closest was the enormous Joi advertisement but that was too specifically linked to his character and not as universally accessible as the melancholy and loneliness in the balcony scene with Deckard. Villeneuve's effort felt driven by plot and aesthetic, but Scott's original felt driven by mood and theme. In short, I agree completely. Original, masterpiece. 2049, watched once and that was enough. Disappointed. Heartless and sterile. Someone above called out Jared Leto's casting as a bad choice (and it is) but perhaps it's also a telling choice, because in a lot of ways 2049 is the Jared Leto of Blade Runner films. Ambitious, some talent, but just wrong.
Just watched this movie today and I absolutely LOVED it. The cinematography was amazing, in fact I found comfort in K's character... I felt like I was seeing the loneliness and emptiness of my life in being portrayed through his... And that longing for a genuine connection is so universal... I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a masterpiece in my opinion.
I think that you missed a MAJOR reason for why this movie “failed.” It’s a sequel to a cult classic sci-fi film from 1982. Not a reboot. It’s a film that absolutely required the viewer to have seen and full grasped the original. Also, it’s not a superhero movie so it had that going against it with general audiences.
Blade Runner 2049 was the smelliest bullcrap I have ever smelt, and I haven't even smelt bullcrap in real life, it's that bad. And the reason is because the writing was bad af, cinematography pacing was all over the place and the general tone was drab at best. But you do you.
I loved watching it without seeing the original. Looking up what replicants were, was the only thing i needed to do to be caught up enough to follow the plot
i haven't watched the original but this movie amazed me on its own, prolly because i've been watching a lot of a24 movies and other works of villanueve
@@geminisol7061 I actually tried to watch 2049 about 2 years ago without seeing the original (only could get past 25 minutes) and I just couldn’t get into it. I literally watched blade runner and 2049 and I was blown away. For me, I had to watch the original. I think it makes the film way better. Obviously each experience is going to differ but that’s just what happened to me.
Like you I really enjoyed this film but, like the psychology you describe, I also felt somewhat disconnected and unfulfilled at the end of film, but wasn't sure why. A REALLY smart analysis video. Thank you.
I felt that the slowness of the movie is what accented the alienation and emptiness of the world to uncomfortable levels. There is no escape from it in the form of a fast paced story.
True, that's why it's easy to describe as a great film while acknowledging that it was a box office failure. It deliberately did things that are fast ways to lose the trust of a considerable portion of the audiences for films, when those things enhanced the intended artistic portrayal. Film fans that are prepared to catch things delivered in subtle ways and to actively consider the meaning of shot composition etc. (and by doing that, not finding themselves with nothing to do or mull over during the slow-paced parts!) have the acquired taste to fully enjoy it. That's absolutely what it was - acquired taste filmmaking.
Of course, it's a Blade Runner sequel. If you want crappy dialogue, special effects, the same backstory and lightsabers, you know which saga you need to watch
@@totenkopf30 Ha ha.
And then again there’s a percentage of moviegoers that are just in for the popcorn, hot dogs,candy , soda and the a/c .
Yeah literally why drive had problems and why I loved it
Not gonna lie, I didn’t even notice the long pauses in the dialogue until you pointed it out. If you’re fully engaged, it all flows pretty well.
Same. I was engaged and didn't notice how long those scenes were.
Yah
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this
Yeah, I literally don't remember anything being that slow in this movie. It was jarring for me when I noticed it here.
"You imagined it was you?"
Gosh I felt that to my bones. Haunting
Dreadfully distinct.
like when your crush says
'oh you thought these were meant for you?'
Obnoxious, and deliberately so. Just like a globalist, which villeneuve is. You dig it because it makes you feel something, even though it's pure demoralisation propaganda. Can you see it yet, happening all around you, in every corner of life? Perhaps you like it.
@@matsimurf_5900 Ran out of your meds I see.
I can just imagine how he felt then, like the entire world just fucking crushed him. This movie breaks me the more I think about it.
This is the kind of movie that will be adored after 10 to 20 years like many cult classics. People today can't appreciate it but I bet there's a generation that will sing its praises.
Fun fact, people are already singing praises of this movie. It's already a cult classic.
@@squiddy7155not really lol , it's non existent at this point . Just a meme and some relatable depressed guy thingy.
@@jasonremy8688not at all. i only got brought into watching because it gained a cult classic reputation. you can consider it whatever you want but it flopped in the box office and has grown exponentially in popularity over recent years
@@jasonremy8688well yea ppl relate to the main character because of how he ends up not being a chosen one and is just a nobody like all the rest of us.
That Generation is Generation X, the same that loved the first one. I love both.
The movie may have disappointed at the box office, but this movie was in no way a failure. One of the best Sci-Fi movies in years.
agreed
It's a beautiful movie.
I honestly liked this movie. And I liked the first Bladerunner movie. They really matched the tone in the sequel. But just like with the first movie I had trouble staying awake while watching. I have sadly never managed to watch Bladerunner in on go without falling asleep, despite no lack of trying.
Agree. Cinema-goers failed this movie. In no way was it a failure as a piece of art.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The movie was crap not worth to mention.
When I first watched the film, I thought it was too short. Little did I know, it was 2 hours and 44 minutes long. I didnt even notice the pauses, I was completely engaged in the film, and I loved it.
@@chalkymwhite Exactly. The sad part is that we probably wont see a sequel anytime soon, so it's a shame they ended the film that way.
yeah i was actually really shocked to find out it was almost 3 hours long because it felt like a half hour at most
Omg same
Wait it was 2 hours and 44 minutes. Jesus time flies
I wanted to say the exact same thing. When he said long I thought "what? long? It was two hours tops". then he showed the IMDB page and I was like 😐😑😐
Whoever let Denis Villeneuve direct Dune after Blade Runner: 2049s box office bomb is absolutely insane and I love them
The best part is that he learned from his mistakes in blade runner 2049, how many directors are open to admit that? Not many.
@@sebastianmunozochoa1485 how come ? Did he say something ?
@@PK-ow1kj that he wouldn't make another 100 million dollars art movie.
So I guess he will make a commercial but smart movie with Dune.
Well. Both universes have a common atmosphere in which Villeneuve is quite the expert. "Emotionless brutality"
@@sebastianmunozochoa1485 What mistakes would that be? Blade Runner 2049 is a near perfect movie. Giving it more mass appeal would probably lose its brilliance. Therefore I think Villeneuve has nothing to learn from its failure.
I haven’t been engaged in a character like I was in K for years. The guy just going through life, longing for a sign there’s something more to him than his programming, finding out there might be something, only to realise he isn’t special after all, and then deciding to stop waiting and become special through his own actions by doing the human thing to do in a world that’s lost all its humanity. Amazing character arc.
This is exactly how I felt. In the video here he says it's not made clear or easy to care about the cause... That wasn't the point to me. The point was that I cared about K and his self actualization as you described it.
@@edamagethat is why I honestly didnt even notice that the main villain of the story just disappears. I didn’t even notice that the overarching world conflict was just left unresolved. K did everything he could do fill his part. That was the conflict resolved.
Not enough explosions and car chases, and there's no character saying "it's up to us to save the world". When films like Fast and Furious are financially successful, films like BR 2049 face an uphill battle.
And not enough corny jokes.
it's not about car chases and explosion. chris nolan makes movies without car chases and explosion but his movies still make hundreds of millions of dollars worldwide. Inception made $800 hundred million dollars. why? the movie wasn't slow and every scene progressed the story forward, unlike 2049. nolan knows how to make a good movie while also being entertaining. but denis only knows how to make a boring good movie. denis should make lower budget films like prisoners and sicario. blockbuster is not in his skills.
@@mishterkhalid3117 Dunkirk and Tenet was arguably far more terrible in that sense, boring and even more self indulgent. So no, Nolan doesn't always make an interesting movie. All of Denis' films are well produced and fits the narrative and message that it wants to address to it's audience.
The difference is marketing. Powerful marketing can make a bad movie to make good money. Some movies just show all the action snippets in their trailers, but when watching the actual movies the trailers are more entertaining than the movie itself.
@@mishterkhalid3117 i mean Dune is really popping up right now and it is definitely a boring great movie. I think ‘general audience’ will appreciate BR 2049 more now having seen Dune.
@@susbedo9258 dunkirk wasn't slow or boring. it was an hour and a half long and every scene progressed the story forward. there were stakes and risks in every scene. nolan didn't spend 2 minutes pointing the camera at the actors doing nothing unlike 2049, where every scene is just ryan gosling doing things in 0.25× speed. there were no stakes.
also u talk about marketing. as if the marketing team did injustice to 2049. no they didn't. Nolan's trailer shows action scenes because there are actual action scenes in the movie. but 2049's trailer didn't have any action scenes because there were no action scenes in the movie. the few fighting scenes it had, there were no tension and risk like filmento described above.
another thing I want to say is, good filmmaking and blockbuster filmmaking are two very different thing. parasite is a masterpiece of filmmaking but no matter how much of a good job the marketing team does, that movie will never make past a hundred million dollars. on the other hand, Michael bay and Zack Snyder's movie will make billions of dollars at the box office, because those are entertaining (even though those are terrible). if u want to get the best of both, then you get directors like Steven Spielberg or Christopher Nolan who makes good movies while also dominating the box office.
Moral of the story: The movie didn't suck, but peoples attention spans and interests do.
This film was an absolute masterpiece.
It is masterpiece
When you start blaming the audience … then something is going very wrong
If people don't like the movie, then people don't like it. That's it. People like you are being like bts fans
@@Klim04 that's a great overexaggeration, bts fans literally thereaten people or say they should've stanned this kpop person and they would've lived, No blade runner 2049 fan does that, As far as I'm concerned. The film was just underappreciated due to the mass audience, People being sad that a movie literally representing humanity itself, Themes of purpose, Loneliness, Feeling special is so disregarded by the mass cause of bigger things like marvel, dc and a bunch of action films everywhere. Sometimes people enjoy the minimal or simple things like blade runner, This isn't toxicity, This is disappointment, Disappointment that every movie should always make the most money possible, be the biggest flick with the biggest budget and filled with humor to make it funny and profitable, Sometimes people just want other people to appreciate the story's message, It's purpose, Not every story needs to be minimal but not every story need to be a big blockbuster with a big cast and a high budget action story, But whether we like it or not, Majority of the film industry nowadays is riddled with big budget action films with the biggest actors, I'm glad dune did well unlike blade runner 2049, It gave me hope that there is still a chance to gain a specific sort of audience for stories with a deeper purpose or meaning, Blade runner 2049 may not have succeeded in the box office but it has become a cult classic, I've never seen the love for this film as bts fans or toxicity, It's people being passionate about a story, A relatablilty, A movie that talks about the meaning of purpose and doing the most humane act, No matter how much shit life gives you, Thank you for reading this if you did, If not no worries.
@@Klim04 I mean, the thing is... people liked it, a lot. The people that decided to give it a shot loved it. It's just the film was made for a very certain demographic that it was bound to fail.
I went to see this in the theater. I watched and enjoyed the whole thing, then as I was leaving, my Samsung watch informed me that I just had a really good 3 hour sleep.
I didn't realize my watch was a critic.
Oof OxO
gutsparygore
*_Dayum_*
That watch is pretty harsh.
You should smash that watch
gutspraygore...that was very funny.
@@Riririekim great choice
A true masterpiece. Narrative-driven with exquisite visuals and a score that touches your soul. The slower the better. It's so sad that this is becoming a thing of the past.
Totally agree!
There is no narrative though, K’s story is ultimately pointless with no stakes, over an hour of the run time is wasted through walking in silence. This movie being slow doesn’t make it profound. It’s not clever it’s just pretentious. There are no stakes the entire movie until the final 30 minutes which then had the most dissatisfying conclusion ive ever seen. The only thing that K affects in the story is Indiana jones uniting with his disabled, miracle daughter. The narrative does not do a good job at concluding what could have been interesting. This movie isn’t clever for ending before the story concludes, it’s just shit. I genuinely believe people who say they like this movie are lying to themselves to make themselves feel smart for “understanding art” when There’s nothing to understand, it’s a contrived plot based on following a character who’s presence had no affect on the story
@@danielharries3240what do you mean there's no narrative? You mean story? Or plot? Or what? A political narrative? Message?
If you mean story, there's plenty. And the story starts when K finds the bones beneath the tree. One clue leads to another. K makes choices. K makes assumptions. There's plenty of story.
Fury Road lacks story. It looks cool, it's kind of fun, but there's almost zero story.
No stakes? K's identity is the main stakes. What and who he believes he is, the story he has been telling himself. It has personal stakes, meaningful stakes to the protagonist.
Imagine if everything you believe about yourself, your values, your opinions, everything you think is true, was proven wrong. That's what's on the line for K.
Sure it doesn't have big end of the world stakes like a marvel film, but Blade Runner isn't that type of story. Doesn't mean there's no stakes. Doesn't mean it's bad.
There's never been some 'rule' that says good stories must have end of the world stakes.
And to say K has no presence on the plot just isn't true though, is it...
If you take him out the story and replace him with another replicant there is no story.
He's the only one with Ana's memory, which gives the date meaning and motivates his choices. This makes him lie to superiors, make assumptions that aren't true, makes him disobey orders.
As for lying to myself to feel smart, well it would be a strange lie, as the film isn't very artsy or clever. I agree with you there. It's not exactly hard to understand the themes or symbolism (the colour yellow, for example, or what Joi represents).
Even my thirteen year old godson discussed the subtext of the importance put on childbirth by the characters in the story, how no families are depicted, that each character is single and childless, and what that could mean.
It's definitely not some artsy spectacle shit like The Lighthouse. That's for sure.
Visuals is all this movie has, acting, directing, script were not that good
@@thomasfairfax4956this movie didn't need to last that long and could've had more events going on, something interesting, at least in the acting or in the script. And the relationship between Deckard and his daughter suddenly becomes important Way in to the film, which sucks, cause to me that is suppose to matter and it totally doesn't. The antagonist are also all over the place, Joy isn't threatening AT ALL, and it's because the actor lacks range and the director balls to direct his actors, (we are not living on an era of great actors right now) and if the antagonist isn't threatening and the audience can't figure out who the biggest threat between wallace and joy is or if you dont get to see why wallace is suppose to be such a threat is just bs at the end, none of them was slightly interesting, nor scary. They shouldve thought about No country for old men when making this, to learn pace, and character building, or Fury Road to learn to tell a simple story which is whatBlade runner 2049 ultimately is, despite all the philosophical stuff people want to project on it ...or learn from the guys who made Uncut gems, there you find character, and more importantly, pacing.
The movie left me in a Post Movie Depression... that is how much the story grew on me in 2 hours. Not many movies make me feel that way anymore, but I hope this movie wont be the last.
You know it's a really good film when you had a post movie depression, films like these are really under-appreciated these days, most people dont "explore" anymore they would just hop on a bandwagon, the same things happening to the music industry, some artists would just make horse shits and sheeps would blindly follow it
You nailed it bro, I also was left with a feeling of loneliness even though at the end it sends a hope message. Maybe is the fact that hope and love are getting drowned more and more as humanity advances and evolves into a super high tech civ.
2049 is the best movie I have seen. That being said, I have only seen it once, and I haven't able to watch it again... but I find myself looking for clips and listening to the music all the time. The sadness that this movie wasn't rewarded as it should have been layers on top of the sadness of the original movie.
Hope Dune kicks ass and people learn to love Vilenueve and eventually a new blade runner for Us!!!
Don't worry bro, Denis Villneuve is a genius. As long as he (and other like him) are making movies with beautiful scores and with cinematogprahers like Roger Deakins, cinema will live on and evolve.
Once you are in the pace and flow of the movie, those "pauses" or slow parts are organic. They are not noticeable within the context of experiencing the film.
That's very true, i kinda got bored the first time but when i understood the plot on my second watch it became pretty entertaining and extremely interesting, absolute masterpiece.
i didn't even notice it was 2h40 long. i loved it!
Exactly, the dialogues are natural, people need time to think before saying anything, especially with such a dangerous investigation going on. It set the mood, made you take in the gravity of the scene, the impact of the words. Beautiful movie. Rarely see something so perfectly crafted.
It’s because that’s how conversations go In real life. It’s personal. In real life, people aren’t all snappy and quick like MCU movies. People take time to process things and you can see it in the characters in this film.
@@jackmartino8245 it definitely immerses you in the atmosphere and emotion of the dialogue
Blade Runner 2049: the box office bomb that I wouldn't change a single frame of
personally i would cut the entire harrison ford part... it didnt even make any sense
@@alistairbalistair9596 it was integral to the story but OK
@@blaisetelfer8499 really? the entire 30 minutes of it?
@@alistairbalistair9596 I already answered that by saying "a single frame"
@@blaisetelfer8499 meh, its useless. That whole stupid fight scene they had was dumb, too.
All the things you stated are part of what makes the movie special to me. For the first time in years I felt like the movie treated me like an intelligent human being capable of paying attention for more than two seconds and drawing his own conclusions.
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No don’t leave meeesee! Take me with youuuu!
love kills joy
@@pleasesignintowatchthisvid6724 Luv will tear us apart again.
No great film is too long, no bad film too short. Blade Runner 2049 is a masterpiece that will only grow and find its audience….much like its predecessor.
It’s too artificially long. Such as those scenes where people are just staring and nothing is happening or they take 15 seconds to say 6 words. The movie could have been 25 minutes shorter and been the same movie
@@toptiertech7291 except it makes perfect sense for characters in those scenes to measure their words and take it slow. Thank god those scenes are paced like they are. They behave like actual people instead of glorified text to speech devices.
@@xentiment6581 no it doesn’t make sense for them to take 10 seconds to give a 3 word answer. That’s not how people in real life talk
@@toptiertech7291 this is not real life. this is a different reality and having in mind the world, the situation and the characters it makes perfect sense.
@@xentiment6581 “this is not real life” works for some things like them being replicants and the technology. But the way they talk is stupid, drawn out and slows the movie down. It doesn’t add tension or build suspense. That’s why people didn’t go to see the movie
"fixing' this film for mass audience would ruin it.
No, it would be appreciated more
It wouldn't be Blade Runner then
Antoine Scott Honestly, it’s only been 3 years since its release and I think we’re already getting to the point where everyone thinks it’s amazing. It hurts that general audiences didn’t go, but I’ll always have MY theater experience which was 10/10
@@MrKstate21 we`re getting to the point where audience dosen`t think at all
Ur right
the fight at the sea wall in the end was SO visceral. seeing this movie in the theater really impacted me. when I got out to my car, I had to sit and just breathe for a bit before driving. I felt I would be to distracted to drive because my mind was trying to process it. It is my favorite movie, hands down.
Ok... All I did when I got out to my car was try to rub the blood back into my ass from sitting for 3 hours.
It’s so sad that both Blade Runner and his sequel didn’t receive much attention in their time because they are amazing films that become classics years later
I only watched the original and while I think the cinematography and atmosphere were really unique and captivating I had a lot of the issues mentioned in this video. The storytelling was really confusing and seemed to go kinda nowhere for me. In the beginning I enjoyed the shots and visuals but after a certain time the lack of a captivating narrative started to bore me and I lost interest.
For me Interstellar for example does a much better job at this. Besides its great pictures it also had an interesting premise which led to me enjoying every aspect of the movie more because it always seemed to matter. I know this is just about opinions at the end of the day but after this video I can already tell that I probably won´t watch this movie because of the uninteresting plot.
@@uncledolan9228 I think I might be able to save you here. I have seen both movies, and I do feel pretty much the exact same way you do about the original. Honestly, up until the last act of the movie, I felt I had no clue what was actually going on storywise, except for a few plot details. I also really didn't enjoy the action (don't get me wrong, I understand at what time the movie was made, but that doesn't change the fact I am watching it today).
That being said, Blade Runner 2049 is possibly the best movie I have ever seen. It definitely helps to know the world, I think, because it saves you some attention during the first act. The plot isn't uninteresting though, I can already tell you that much. I watched this movie as a 16 year old and enjoyed the living shit out of it, so it ain't boring, that's for sure. It's also not as all-over-the-place as the original. And that the cinematography is good is out of the question.
Since you've already seen the original, I recommend watching the short films released to YT that explain what happens between 2019 and 2049 in the Blade Runner universe.
And then choose the biggest screen and the best sound system you have available, and enjoy that beauty.
Uncle Dolan that’s really surprising cause I found blade runners plot to be very compelling. The great thing about the movie is that it implores you to pay close attention to the movie to understand the story better. And I don’t mean this as an insult to you. I watched the movie 3 times to figure out Deckard’s investigation which was very compelling as he found more clues. I feel like some people are easily fooled by the visuals and think that’s all it is. It’s a great investigation movie which is why the Ghost in the shell anime had a similar plot to it.
@@theBenStrothmann Didn't know that Blade Runner had more lore besides the two films and a game. Thanks I'll check them out👍🏿
@@ChidoriReaper Yeah they really add a lot.
I wish more movies incorporated those pauses after dialogue, it's such a breath of fresh air from the usual beat of a scene
It's also far closer to real conversation
@@TheStarBlack underrated and true
Because it feels real. Because people need a short moment to think about their response. Because in real life, we do not read things off a script. That's what the MCU gets so wrong. Everyone always has this perfect response ready. Nobody ever seems to need to think.
Im sick of a character giving a quip and giving half a second to pet the audience laugh, mcu movies feel like sitcoms sometimes
Watch Dragged Across Concrete. The dialogues in the movie are brilliant, full of these weird little pauses, great story, one of the better movies I've seen lately.
Every frame of this movie could be an award winning photograph
That’s roger deakins at his best
Same goes with the Blade Runner from 1982
@@jesuschrist3000ADHD Same goes with the Blade runner from 1915
Not every frame ... there are a lot of scenes in 2049 that I find to have very flat, uninteresting lighting and locations ..
The one movie where almost every frame is a visual masterpiece is the first Blade Runner, you can literally pause almost anywhere in the movie and get a great great cinematography ... thats why the first movie was a staple in film schools, they use the movie as a great example of what film makers should aspire to ...
The trouble is, that alone doesn't make a good movie. This particular movie is a prime case of style over substance.
I really liked how different this movie was compared to the cookie cutter template that most movies follow. I also liked that is was slower cause I was able to look at every drawn out shot and appreciate the cinematography. I also think the morbid/sad reality that happens throughout the movie perfectly fits the genre. It’s one of my most memorable movies for how un-movie like it was.
I liked the pacing, but the sets were pompous and devoid of interest, the lighting and cinematography were cliched, the CGI was annoying, and the story was limp. It felt like it was made for Chinese censors, to reinforce CCP messages. Family is all-important. The authorities are the authorities. Just accept what happens.
"Un-movie like"
You must be 12
You just described exactly how i feel about the movie and i didn't know how to word it
@@gregvanpaassenThere's no way someone could watch BLADE RUNNER and call it a bland, authority washed movie that upholds complacency. The entire setting is bleak for a reason. Bait used to be believable.
@@Nameless_Individual Blade Runner, the original, was and still is my favourite movie. 2049 was so obviously made for the Chinese censors it was robbed of all life and art.
I did not know it flopped,.. When i saw it i was amazed, and everybody around the office was talking about how great it was
I came out of the IMAX talking about how shit it was, not gonna lie xD But I was the only one doing that.
you have cultured friends and colleagues. nice
Really this movies always do poorly coz people want Bays 3b boobs buts bombs, cinema stopped being a multidimentional art and just and entreteining art, people know days do not go to the cinema to ponder about life, and thats okey, safly it means that movies like this ones never really go out, coz they dont pay off, the only reason this one ever did is coz it had a big title to back it up so the producers tried to milk it, I recommend that if you enjoy this films turn your eyes to books, there are plenty and they are great
Blade runner 2049 is great example of poor storytelling.
@@gabbar51ngh imo it's great, lets the viewer experience what the main character is feeling. Lets the viewer think and the slowness of it lets the viewer savor every frame of the movie.
It’s so sad that all the most positive points about the movie that I agreed with are negative ones for most other people
I'm one of those dumb audience members. I hate characters that don't so emotion. I don't like slow movies. I often miss subtle details.
Wait blade runner 2049 failed?! I thought it was incredible it didnt thought it floped
@@karolisbaranovas3675 It flopped hard, which is damn shame, the movie is amazing.
@@CrissAssasin7 I was so disappointed when I heard it flopped while movies like Happy Death Day were SO SUCCESSFUL. This is the primary I hate Happy Death Day.
@@gfilmer7150 It's all about being a commercial movie, movie-making wise Blade Runner is beyond amazing, but if you can't get people to pay for it then you don't win
I find it sad that Dennis believes his movie was too long. It wasn't. I enjoyed every second of it. Then again I am also a fan of the original. I just absolutely loved this movie. I watched it threw times and the last time was a few days ago. Its one of the best movies ever made
BTW we do see replicants used for slave labour. The replicants girls are prostitutes for example they work at one of the pleasure houses. They don't choose to become prostitutes. In another scene we see them talk about selling replicants and adding in pleasure models etc etc
Exactly. Another thing I'd like to point out is that, in a few scenes it was stated that the replicants were made for specific purposes, for instance, "workers" and "pleasure models". It was also implied that everything about their lives are controlled, manufactured, calculated, and that their free will is ultimately an illusion, a recurrent theme that defines the cyberpunk genre.
I also sensed that humans and replicants are intentionally not distinguished, as the film begs the question, of what makes an individual human. The protagonist, a replica, chose to die for a father to reunite with his child, even after the acknowledgement of him never being a part of this relationship; Mr. Wallace, a human, was machine-like and cruel to his creations. In this scenario, a replica has more humanity than a real human.
That's not what he says , he says he loves but that the movie is too long to sell ,
So it's lenght makes it a good film but a bad product
Bladerunner is my favorite movie of all time. 2049 was a great movie but the Jared Leto parts I felt dragged on. Except when the fake Rachel came out
@@pyrefly7575 most of the people like short dopamine hits they like under 2 hours movies
@@luzey8294 also most people are uncultured and stupid . Perhaps there's a correlation
At the moment I didn't realize it, but K having not to fight his way to get information feels really refreshing. Almost every other film feels like it goes by those rules, that you must have conflict and obstacles to get where you are going, which often feel really forced. Not having that here felt really refreshing.
It's turned into a trope that the main character always struggles to get to the goal. It's so bad that whenever there is a resolution you know that yet another thing is going to come up to block them.
He’s doing the equivalent of going to the DMV, why would there be a battle to recover the records?
"general audiences" is becoming a swear word lately. Breaks my heart when these far richer experiences don't make money, because it instantly has an effect. How many masterpieces has the tepid response of "general audiences" cost us...
how the hell is it a masterpiece? It's a tedious watch
@@carlosandleon Lol "general audience"
Carlos Leon tedious if you aren’t a fan of storytelling and just looking for a quick bit of entertainment
lol just like "NPC" remember that?
@@dalano_films bruh movies are MADE to entertain
I think that twist is what made the movie great, because while he isn’t special it shows just how close they are to humans that he could think he was the special one.
I thought the whole of the movie him became a human which leads to him giving sacrificing his own life for others
Exactly! I told that to my friends. K isn't "destined" to be great, he isn't "special", he's not a "chosen one", his fate doesn't led him to greatness. He ACHIEVES greatness by doing what he chooses to do, because he believes in what he does
@@MrX2192 I completely agree. I think one of the cool things at the end is that k dies actually feeling the snow, which he had been attempting to do in the movie. And then it contrast that with the actually human (Ana) when she can only feel fake snow. And the end of the movie, I think, begs the question. Who truly lived? And who was truly human?
I felt it didn’t mash well with audiences because stories tell a common story, what should our ideals be? But in a postmodern world we don’t really understand narrative anymore. And so this story doesn’t explore what the human ideal is, but what does it mean to be human. And humans have value systems. And I think the highest value, or ideal, is the process that produces values, which is something like the human spirit. It’s a beautiful movie, but I think the postmodernist don’t appreciate it.
Fr I felt shocked too
@@mariog1490 👏
I actually liked the lower speed of the film. In a world where every other movie flashes whatever it got in the least amount of time possible, being able to breathe was a welcome feature of the film.
Blade runner rythm and subtlety was very refreshing. It let you immerse in the universe and it's not "ON YOUR FACE". I enjoyed every minute of that movie back in october 2017... but I knew it wouldn't please everyone. People with who I was watching it find it long and there was almost no one to watch it.
People are, saddly, too much accustomed to fastpaced movie like marvel, Fast and furious or the new star wars.
not just being able to breath but to think too : in classic blockbusters, they might as well give us the script since the actors are often basically telling us everything we need to know, while Blade Runner 2049 give us time to think about what we just saw and where the plot could go next, which is great
Pacing is hugely important for mood. 2001, Once Upon A Time in the West, most Kurosawa movies expand time to make you fully stay with a mood and let you really absorb it. I loved the pacing in 2049, sometimes you need to feel the discomfort that the characters feel and aren’t allowed to just walk away from.
The film had a speed that matched the world and characters that were given, along with the tone and inverse proportion to plot complexity.
I love this movie. However, to be totally fair, had I watched it in theatres, it would not have done it justice. I think I was honestly pausing every 15 - 20 minutes to look something up on the wiki or internet to truly appreciate all the subtleties
Blade Runner has been made twice, flopped at the cinema twice, and been considered a classic/masterpiece twice.
underrated comment, ty for your insight sir
Looks like history repeated itself again.
Give credit to the outstanding Roger Deakin with the amazing and beautiful cinematography
Agreed. The man rightfully deserved his Oscar for this movie.
He also did 1917, the absolute legend.
Give me a break. It's just lifeless areas devoid of music and spark of a soul.
It's heen done before and better even by lower budget films.
It's like saying JJ abrams cinematography is good. It's just 4k sand, and more sand, and rocks, and totally empty, weird interior architecture with a yellow filter. The end.
The original's cinematography was amazing not because of insane filtering or "up your own ass " levels of " OMG THIS ROCK IS IN 4K! LOOK AT IT!"
Like fucking Ridley does so blatantly without meaning these days.
That film was incredible because it was working together with the music and the idea of showing a grand futuristic world in a light of awe and the focus remained as such, whilst also showing that the world is actually alive. The prequel to this film had more god damn SOUL than the entirety of 2049. And it wasn't even in the fucking film .
Where have we seen that before? OHH THATS RIGHT! Alien fucking covenant.
You people have no remote clue what good cinematography actually is. Just pretentiously spewing the same nonsense new fans are claiming without being able to think for yourselves.
As if it wasn't point enough that Rutger Haur himself magnified the issue of a soul being missing in this film.
This film didn't bomb because people dont have interest in these films anymore. This film bombed because Ridley and his followers havent a remote clue in HELL what they are doing anymore.
James Salvatore Jesus, who pissed on your cereal this morning?
@@jamessalvatore7054 You're forgetting that the original Blade Runner was ALSO a box office bomb, James.
there was no point in the movie where I felt boring or slow......this movie is simply a masterpiece
That's Denis Villeneueve for you. He is so incredibly deliberate about his visual design and what his characters do and say, that you feel like you can go wild considering even the smallest of things that have just happened on-screen. From most other directors except auteur directors that have a similar obsessive-yet-subtle approach, if you did that, you would be wildly overthinking so many things on-screen and you'd either not keep pace with the film, or you'd go nowhere intellectually satisfying, or perhaps just sound like you've done a few lines of coke if you share those wild lateral-thought theories with people.
But you *can* do that with Villeneueve films, because that's precisely what he wants you to do, and he really is that careful with what he puts on screen. It's why he was such a good choice for Dune - the book has to explain so much by internal monologue and other non-film-translatable methods. With Dune he was able to put across the core plot in a more straightforward fashion to make a more accessible film, and he does that at the same time as the detailed worldbuilding in the 'small' moments and pieces. His version of the Gom Jabbar scene deviates from the book in a few small ways, but in those small ways, he changed the scene to be, in my opinion, even more effective at sowing the seeds for things later on, and for getting across the true nature of the Bene Gesserit (and Paul Atreides) better than the original book even did.
I seen it on sigma stuff thought I’d give it a shot not just for the sigma stuff it’s cuz it looked like a good film Was told it was slow and boring and not worth it I put that on and not one moment did my notice slip on it I watched it 6 times that day Idk why but I love that film
Lol seriously I felt kind of shocked when he showed the dialogue and walking scenes because they felt so normally paced in the movie
Exactly. There was too much mystery to feel bored
Excellent art piece
Ryan Gosling deserves credit for his role choices, he has starred in quiet a few amazing films
He could very easily have become a pretty boy heartthrob type and made a lot of money doing it. So ya, respect!
Quite a few, not quiet
@Seeing Through Cruise is my favorite! The Notepad is pretty great too!
Helter Skelter Think about it: This is a sequel to “Lars and the Real Girl.”
I couldn't agree more. He's honestly one of my favorite actors for that very reason. He respects the art of film and doesn't care much about fame at all.
If you have an eye for massive artistic landscapes and wanting an experience of a dark sad story which is kinda slow but has such potential and promise then it’s for you ! I think it was very well written and directed and Ryan and Ana de armas’s story arc was tragic that I wish they input more time with them both
While leaving the cinema after seeing bladerunner 2049 I came to the depressing conclusion of “well they’ll never let someone spend $150 million to make a movie like this ever again”
Good! Movie sucked ass!
Luckily not true bcs they let him made a Dune that will probably also bomb in theaters but hopefully will be also great movie
@@DjJokerr you uncultured swine
@@DjJokerr Found the low IQ casual that can't understand anything deeper then a puddle and will never leave his hometown lol
@@dukezap1 Typical idiot hipster response. If some doesn't like the movie they must be low iq. Idiot!
Honestly didn't notice the long shots, time really does fly when you're enjoying yourself.
Yeah, i did't even notice the runtime cos i was having such a great time.
I only noticed when Jared Leto was on screen. The way he talked made me want to check my watch now and then
i didnt even know it was 3 hour long even after i watched it. Amazing movie
Yeah, i have to disagree on Filmento on the slow and long shots part. Here is an example: Interstellar is a long film, and it is 2h45m long, and it makes nearly 700 mil at the box office, you can say the same with Inception even though the film is very briskly paced, Blade Runner 2049 however failed at the box . The reasons are clear: Christopher Nolan is very popular, Denis Villeneuve isn't and Blade Runner isn't a popular IP. But WB thought Villeneuve was very well known and BR was huge, so they did the mostly same strategy like they did with Nolan's films. And it didn't end well. I still freaking love 2049 but it was horribly marketed.
@@snack491 well i still respect WB for giving this movie a shot otherwise there aren't many studios left anyway with disney gobbling up everything and i can guarentee that disney would not make any such movie after they abandoned TRON
K/Joe has such an amazing arc. He didn’t want to be just “another replicant”, he wanted to be something more, so it was devastating to see him learn he wasn’t the child of Rick. But reflecting on the events that happened throughout the movie, Joe did the most human thing to do, and saved Rick to help him reunite with his child. At the conclusion of the movie, Joe ended up becoming a lot more than just “another replicant”. Despite being a replicant, Joe proved he was more human than a lot of humans, and that he had a purpose. I believe he died in a way he would want to, to have purpose and to have a life worth reflecting upon. That’s why I love his arc and his character. It’s just so deep and poetic :)
And this movie is still amazing in 2024
And Deckard receives the same humanity lesson. Twice. From two replicants.
More human than human.
@asadabdulqaabir4006 I feel like both movies are really about what it really means to be human, or at least sentient or conscious. Moreover, I feel that we are forgetting this lesson as we continue to advance Artificial Intelligence.
I like your analysis. Ryan Gosling is a bit too wooden in this film though. He doesn't have the range that Harrison Ford does.
Did K die at the end? I wasn't too sure because he did lose a lot of blood from the stab and gun shot
This is my favourite movie of all time. It is exactly the lenght of the shots that give it character and makes it immersive. Seeing scenes from this movie or hearing music that aligns with it ( after dark by mr kitty is a great example ) makes me relive these feelings like I wasn't just watching a movie, but I was K myself. Honestly breathtaking
I completly approve the pace of this film. It gives me the chance and time to build my own recreation of the world I'm being shown. Is more like reading a book, or a comic, in wich you can somehow "pause" the narrative just to explore deeper in the layers of that reality and make it yours. I wouldn't change a coma.
I think this only works for people whos invested in the world that the movie takes place in, i loved the pacing too
I only watch it the first time once. I become increasingly impatient on repeated viewings so I prefer conceptually dense and quick pacing to maintain engagement. If you consume a lot of media in general then plots become increasingly predictable.
Creativity and art reveals itself best when there are heavy constraints. If you're creative you'll have experienced adding everything initially only to eventually remove it all to strengthen the message.
@@dangerfly "I only watch it the first time once"... Happens to everybody. LoL
@@GreenInvasion When I give it a second watch, it’s also the first time watching it twice. Weird how that works. 😂
@@dangerfly The other day I watched this for the 10th time. It felt like the 10th time watching it. I think it was actually the 10th time. Still so good.
I like exactly the things that those people consider "flaws". Drawn-out artistic shots are amazing for world-building. If you watch Bladerunner just for the story, without appreciating the world behind it you're missing half the point.
Cells.
This is the most pretentious comment here.
@@justmeeagainn What do you mean?
I'd go to a gallery if I wanted to spend 20 minutes examining pictures. This is a film and them stopping so often because they think their art style is the greatest only ruined the pace. Add to that the dull characters and the story that really doesn't go anywhere and feels more like a setup for a sequel makes this movie a torture to watch.
100% agree. It's a shame that this movie didn't do well, but I think it's a flawless masterpiece, in some ways, precisely WHY it didn't do well.
I think interpreting Joi as "it was never real anyway" is missing the point by far, it was the most real of all, because he can't replace it with another Joi.
Yeah, he did put "real" in quote unquote marks at 9:28 to emphasize the unusual moral quandary that 'real' is, when it comes to Joi. So I think he does get that much.
I think the point was that Joi didn't have emotions. She couldn't even truly care for K. That was the point of the scene with the giant version. She called K "joe" just like his version of Joi did. Witch means that even the most intimate moments were programmed in.
People fail to understand that scene. The whole movie is a bunch of characters choices that eventually make k human. Joe had to kill Sapper Morton but in doing so found miracles. Then joe had to find the child, which he then believes to be him. Now he believes he has the potential to have a soul. By not killing himself he makes a choice. He fails his baseline test and has to run. The fact that k made a choice is y he failed the test. Joe wants to find Deckerd to have a father son moment. But Deckerd tells us he never has to meet his daughter because loving someone can mean ur a stranger. (This is important for later) when joi is killed I’d say this is his life altering feeling. It doesn’t really matter if he loves her or not. It was a feeling that was real to him. As humans I’m sure u have an insane thing u love to much. Maybe u keep ur dead dads watch because u feel it’s a part of him. Maybe ud die for ur wife bc u think she’s the reason u live everyday. Emotions are personal, that’s y they are human. Now wat happens next is wat makes the movie “woke” because people didn’t understand. W this replicant oppression they want to start their woke revolution. The chick w the missing eye believes this is only achievable by killing Deckerd, the last link to the revolution, Wallace and the child. When joe is walking on the bridge realizing he isn’t special he sees the joi ad. He finds that he may not be special, but his emotions were special. The choice to save Deckerd makes no sense, joe almost guarantees failure. But even in the face of failure we get to c him make choices. And he choses to die so a father and a daughter can reunite. He dies for strangers. People believe joes choice to save was born from woke ideas. But I don’t believe that and neither should u. Joe did this so he could feel something permanent and become human. The emotions he felt don’t disappear like tears in rain, they are permanent and special to him. They will leave imprints, like tears in snow.
Maybe there is only one true Joy and all proprietors of those gudjets has had to deal with just a skins of her, not a copies?
@@tylerthegreat8001 by that argument K dosent have emotions either because he's synthetic too.
Denis Villeneuve is a genius. I love every frame of this film, such a rare cinematic gem in all the cheap, hallow, fast food films today. I love a good spectacle popcorn movie too, but these kind of movie really pull me in, and it's a shame such craft doesn't get the same kind of attention and recognition.
Tbh, I actually like the Twist where it's revealed K isn't Deckard's kid. "The main characters being related to each other" reveal has kinda been done to death lately.
The Bandog the subversion is a great choice bc it reveals k to be a hero who doesn’t matter. There is nothing special about k.
@@mariog1490 it's the story and insertion in the movie to try to find out the truth that matters the most, and all the questions that the character like K brings to the table, like if you are not the main character do your life and choices even matter?
@@franjoferic6888 well said. "Mere mortals" can still make difference if they _want_ to.
It was a magnificent twist. K thought that because he was the kid it made him special, it made him human. He starts making his own choices and showing more emotions like you would expect a human to do. That's why when it's revealed he is a replicant it's such a devastating reveal for him. He's not a human yet he still feels all the emotions he did, he still made those choices.
In the end I think he sort of realised that he doesn't need to be "born" by human definition to feel or be an individual. In the end he makes his own choice to save Deckard and reunite him with the kid because that's what he thinks is the right thing to do and it's what he wants to do.
It was so good. It gave K a chance to make a choice. He wasn't born special, but he could choose to be special; he could choose to help Deckard and his daughter reunite. And he did.
Long shots makes the audience feel much more "in the movie". Was used in great movies such as The God Father and 2001. It is really sad people in general doesn't enjoy this.
Gen Z and milennials* don't enjoy it, because of their (our?) ever shortening attention spans.
Jupp, was the first time in a long time I actually felt like I was moving around in the world with the characters on screen. I also had time to observe what they were watching which was nice.
Yes to bring someone into the world. Not drown them in it. Using a long shot every 15-20 minutes=good, every other shot=tedious.
I loved the quiet moments and the fact that the creators give you time to develop a sense of place. Watching K sit in Sapper's house as the garlic boiled was one of my favorite moments.
I need to watch The Godfather.
The truth is - Blade Runner 2049 is a $150 000 000 art house movie. The fact that it box officed $260 000 000 is miracle by itself.
it deserved more
I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t call this ‘art house’.
Art house is usually very intimate with its settings & characters. This world is vast, & aside from Joi & K, all of the protagonists are hardly in the film.
Lastly, for the most part-art house is shit. BR2049 is amazing.
@@Red-Eyed_Goose art house Is usually pretty deep to the point that people sometimes over or underate it, but to be honest this might not be arthouse, but really it's smarter than the vast majority of modern cinema, and it is a shame more people didn't appreciate this movie when it came out.
I for one wholeheartedly regret not seeing this in cinema, and that's after watching it on TV
thats the only problem actually had this movie not costed over 150 million it would have been considered a success
Hard disagree. It’s a perfect sequel to the original. A sequel. If you haven’t watched the first one, and don’t like it, then you shouldn’t have watched it in the first place.
The public is a failure for not appreciating good art
loved this movie so much, sad to see it flopping in the box office :(
also great work as usual Filmento, you pointed out right things. Seeing shots like this seems really long but watching the movie i got so pulled in..the beautiful lightning and world build was jaw dropping that i didn't even notice how time flies. I liked those silent moments, they felt real. But for people who are more simple popcorn film fans this may be a huge turn off hence the flop :(
It was fantastic. I loved the relationship between the hologram girl and ryan gosling, the overall atmosphere and the art style of the movie.
So did the original in 1981, but it gained it's reputation in the following years...
But did it flop? It didnt lose money contrary to what filmento says. I think Europe saved the movie. It ended up gather around 250 million and only cost 150 million. It was made for die hard fans.
@@evolema4945 Production companies usually say that they have to double the investment to consider that they did not lose money.
Real life is made from subtle things. This is why being in Blade Runner is like living inside a world and top notch storytelling.
Very valid point
Exactly but general audience don’t care. Blade runner 2049 is phenomenal of a movie!
You SMASHED the nail on the head. That is the best description I've seen of these movies and how to make a movie feel real
@@Gadget-Walkmen nah it sucked and the failure was predictable after watching it
Imagine thinking good photography=good storytelling
The movie hinted that there were two children: one died in birth and the other was hidden. It leaves the impression that the agent could be this child. The same way the first movie hinted that deckard wasn't human. Is this movie we also saw the blind evil man suggesting that to deckard. I love this movie, and I watched twice in theaters (very rare situation for a 40yo father of two boys). I'm sad that the movie flopped, but I'm immensely happy that it exists.
I don't see why, it shares none of the original's atmosphere, almost none of its design, definitely none of its background, its not even slightly noir, and the story is failing to ripoff the original.
@@Spartan322 Well people have opinions, i didn't compare it to the original when i watched it, it was a good movie by itself, in fact, I liked the atmosphere here even more.
@@faz2k If you aren't gonna compare it against the original, then what's the point of having a sequel? You don't build a story based on an original if you aren't gonna expand upon it, especially when you burn and insult the original and do your absolute best to spit on it
Only an idiot looks at a sequel and tries not to relate it to the original, a sequel should be based on the original, and not destroy it. Too bad that's what 2049 does. Its pretty clear how little people actually care about storytelling, because 2049 was terrible, yet for some reason people are so blinded by fake complexity they can be easily fooled, I can bet you (and I'm happy for it) that's why it failed, the original did not flop like this.
@@Spartan322 The original wasn't a hit either. It performed similarly at the box office. I'm keen to hear your thoughts on why it was so terrible.
I just rewatched it and this movie is absolutely a masterpiece. There was a line in the movie that got me so emotional and k dont even really know why. When k is talking to the one eyed lady, the leader of the resistance and she says to him " oh you thought it was you... We all wish it was us.. and thats why we believe" my eyes got a little moist.
I love that there is no forced conflict in this movie.
Movie without Conflict = FAILURE
GRRM knows the heart in conflict with itself is literature and cinematic Gold
A replicant that's awakening in thought suddenly is snuffed out for no reasons is boring trash
No conflict means no story, its basically a depressing slice of life then
You fucking sicken me
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This movie should've been called Dreams of Green... know what Im sayin 🙄
@@springbloom5940 Memories of Green heh
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Why did everyone expect 2049 to be some blockbuster hit? Blade Runner wasn't a hit. It was a slow burn, finally hitting a crescendo with the release of the final cut in 2007. Scott kept the ember smoldering for 15 years by that point. Blade Runner 2049 was a masterpiece movie that wasn't meant to be a conventional blockbuster.
@ Drew L well said, exactly right. This is more like European film making in the mould of Wenders or Herzog.
That is because they spend $185 millions on it and grossed $92.1 million in the United States. The people in the studio expects they money back.
@@diegodrenoso in the US, $260.5M worldwide. Finish reading the wiki article. And that's beside the point as noted above with the original.
So that logic says 15 yrs
2049 will be another Masterpiece.
Eggggxelent.
Good good.
Will be remembered in history n not forgotten like all the other BEYism blockbusters.
In case you didn't know, this isn't a school project. Studio pours money into movies to make money in return.
This is exactly what Martin Scorsese was talking about when he called the marvel movies a theme park
Yea, and then he went and ripped off himself with that turd called "The Irishman", which is a carbon copy of "Goodfellas".
Sebbe R Not really bud. The Irishman is a movie adaptation of a book called ‘I heard you paint houses’. The only thing it shares with Goodfellas is the Mafia and a director. You’d have to be really stupid to think like that. Good job bud.
@@doomwalker9934 Oh, hard words from a nobody from the internet. I think I won't be able to stop thinking about you, bud.
@@sebber7992 Irishman a turd? How exactly
@@deadmeme4276 Almost carbon copy history to Goodfellas (I've recently learned the movies are based on two different books, but still they're way too similar); Scorsese chose actors that are way too old to play their roles (De Niro could barely move in the fight scene with the clerk that mistreated his daughter) and above all, it's a 3 hours 29 minutes film. If you can't make a standard length film, you better plan a mini series. Most people watched it in two parts because it's tedious and long.
His JOI death was very significant to Joe/K action to help Deckerd reunited with his daughter. He realized no matter who you are, a human or a replicant, born or manufactured, AI or not, as long as you life and die for others you are "A Real Human Being and A Real Hero" and the ending really give a cathartic feels to conclude the story like the original movie did.
"This isn't how movies are supposed to go", hence Hollywood in its current state. Dumpster fire.
Exactly.
This is a weird creature in today's Hollywood.
It’s so cool to have movies like this pop up every once in awhile. It’s so rare for something with this level of funding to get this experimental. It has been my favorite film of all time ever since it came out.
Make multi gener movies not one gener movies
@@slayer5251your request sounds like an impossible task nowadays, when you consider that the mindset of the gens are so different.
One of my absolute favs ever as well. I sometimes re-watch it because I love the atmosphere and the cinematography.
Just watched both Bladerunners this year. Absolutely amazing films.
@Django Fett i see your the person with no brain
@WilliamWalker your damn right
The original Bladerunner is a technical masterpiece. The effects and set design very much hold up today. However, I sort of find it insufferably boring, if nice to look at. Bladerunner 2049 is a dramatic improvement in every single category. Better pacing, better characterization, better plot, and the visuals are amazing. I really like 2049.
Together I feel they make one super long movie
@@latviesulegionars8806 to be honest, the new one is an incoherent mess, but what can you expect nowadays from the film industry. Incredible cinematography and world building, interesting premise but nonsensical execution at times. At the last chase scene I was asking out loud "Hey wait, how the fuck we got to this scene? Everyone just teleported here because the movie needed an ending?"
This film was so futuristic, the audience of 2018 (when it released) was not prepared for it.
I just found out my attention spans are great, because I really liked this move it took me 2 days to finish though
Now imagine me seeing the 1982 one in 1984 as a teen, that future was feasible for 2019.
Still glad we have no flying cars with so many idiots around now a day.
I hate that this movie “failed.” This movie is a masterpiece and I would have loved to see a 3rd installment.
This is the perfect sequel. Rember Alien --> Aliens / Terminator --> Terminator 2. Leave it at 2 we dont need a trilogie
There have been many talks about a Blade Runner 3 which means one happening hasn't been take off the table, which is very surprising considering the box office of 2049.
Maybe in around 30 years .
Blade runner 2079.
I love that this movie failed so others won't be encourage to waste my life by making a never ending movie about nothing.
@@TrainerCTZ If you really think this is about nothing you are either blind or just dumb.
I remember watching this film 6 times, each time with a different group of people just to spread the word of how great this movie was.
I dont know you, but you are my friend xD
bro same
And still, re-watching it over and over again wouldn't work for me. It felt so empty, no emotion, despite the stunning visual.
@@donachille3351 it’s not empty just simply unconventional but
Same, I first watch it alone during a lunch break in college then with friends then with my family.
Blade Runner 2049 is probably my favorite cinematic experience ever. There're few films that I regret not going to the theater to witness, I'm glad that this film is not in this category.
Films that treat the audience like competent people are always an amazing experience it’s great when a director will just show you a snapshot of the world and what’s going on instead of a neat little story with clear endings to plot lines. Life doesn’t always end cleanly personally the way they just killed the love interest invokes the right emotion that of injustice. Definitely one of the best films of the decade
After leaving the theaters, I was convinced this was one of the best movies I had ever seen. And 2/3 of my friends with me fell asleep, and the last friend just said the first movie was better lol
I ended up seeing it in the theater 2 times. Which I never do.
@@Hieuby_Dooby Your last friend was right. The first one had much better soundtrack and an acceptable runtime.
@@akosleoszilagyi2529 I still had no idea what the plot of the first film was, I can understand the second one no problem. First one is pretty boring and dated.
I feel like the long drawn out scenes compliment one of the main concepts of the movie. That we aren’t special. By having to wait for any type of resolution the viewer (or at least me) gets such a bigger hit of emotion when something is finally resolved. Watching Wallace kill the poor replicant in such a drawn out scene made luvs subtle tears that much impactful.
It’s a masterpiece, it’s about a guy who loses everything and doesn’t matter in this world. He lost all his hope and purpose, but found his purpose in his people eventually, and willing to sacrifice himself in a bigger picture.
Sadly the bigger picture isn't something worth while, when you realize the child still isn't a viable human, and the Replicants put way too much hope on a biologically compromised individual.
@@anvos658 Even if she isn't fertile and is just an anomaly, for K it doesn't diminish the value of his actions and that's what someone like Wallace can never understand.
Wallace has infinite comfort, wealth and prestige but a crippling God complex to the point where he can create sentient, emotional beings but sees no value in them because they can't reproduce.
The hybrid being and her father will both die one day and it's possible that the line will end with them, it's possibly and overwhelmingly likely that their meeting will be forgotten to history, but it's the fact that it was able to happen at all that's important.
Go back to Roy Batty: "All those moments will be lost in time like tears in the rain".
It doesn't last forever, but does that mean that it's worthless? For Wallace, yes. For K, no.
@@theoverthinkingalien224 She has the greatest imagination & imagination is what makes hoomans different from anything.
Oh God. What a manifesto for depressed, immature Film Bros.
@@anvos658Yes. And Wallace sucks as a villain.
This was an existential movie for me. The scene where he sees Joy in the advertisement, at this point both Joy and Lt Joshi are dead and he realizes he's not special, the structure of his world and belief system upended. He looks at his gun, and an intense Hans Zimmer score starts. He's an android who's had an existential crisis and is deciding to exercise his freedom to act.
You must have read the book instead of the movie because in this movie he doesn't have a belief system.
@@mcleanblades9234 He doesn't have a belief system, but he believed that Joy loves him, he believed that he is the son of Deckard, he believed he is meant for something grander than himself. But all of that are either lies or broken. The only thing he knows now and truly believed at that moment, is that he is a nobody replicant who can do whatever he wanted, he knows he is free to do whatever act he thought is worth doing
Subjects already covered in the first film.
Please stop using the word "existential." Thanks.
@@scottk1525 Angst, Decision, Being, Dread, Nothingness - "Existential" works for this movie.
Great thing about BR2047 is that when youre watching a scene, youre just there, youre not just waiting to move on to the next plot development. and having scenes where people are just livivng and not overcoming obstacles, makes the world feel like a real place.
True there isnt much music used in this movue as well which makes it so much like real life where there isnt any background music .
Yeah seriously that bit about how he isn't blocked and challenged at every little step like going to the archive is like, what? How is it bad that they didn't have all the tedious and repetitive bits of most movies??
@@aj7058 trueeee people have herd mentality thats the problem
True
True, when the cinema lights on im not immediately stand up. Just sit for a while and started thinking what am i watching ? This is a masterpiece. Im sorry for broken english im from asia.
Your arguments are well presented, but you made the point in the first few seconds of your video. Most people dont want to think, they dont want to reflect, they just want to glare at flashing lights and witness loud sounds for specific leangth of time, no less no more.
As if there aren't completely character driven movies like Joker that did very well at the box office...
It's already a modern classic tho. Many people will appreciate this film more after many years to come.
Edit: thank you for the 1k likes!
yep! love this movie.
Like the original
It's becoming a sci fi version of the Thing
@@wtfbros5110 how? What’s the connection? And the thing is sci-fi
@@Gadget-Walkmen box office flop, but becomes highly regarded over time
When great movies fail.....that's a phrase that makes me sad.
Welcome to Idiocracy: The Prequel
@@MagneticDonut Idocracy: The Presequel
My guess is that the film director wasn't so good or he was trying some new things.
@@Dilligff sad noises
@@ALFABETAS999 It's more in the way of the original Blade Runner: The world wasn't ready for it, yet.
Yet another way in which Blade Runner 2049 is a perfect sequel.
I’ve talked to people about how much I love this movie, and most common response is, “what movie?”
I will paint and keep this movie on in the background, and the orange skies are super inspiring, and how it communicates both shadow and ecstasy just really resonates.
The ending is not just about K dying, but the fact that he dies. What makes him 'special' is not who he is, but what he does. He thinks that being the first replicant born will enable him to break from his chains and be his own person, just like a human: when in fact he breaks his chains simply by deciding to. Those tears in rain have formed a life sustaining pool that will live on in the memories...
It's a film made for a particular kind of movie-goer. That is, fans of the original who like a good mystery and an immersive atmosphere.
Yeah immersion was the big one for me. The visuals were unbelievable and the story was so easy to get lost in because of how fluid it was.
Marvel has ruin the movie industry. People are expecting jokes and rainbow colors on every movie made. Marvel movies are simple and basically the same crap over and over
@@retlawx10 on the other hand, we have this movie, where we met Deckare's daughter in the middle of the movie, and just one time, without even knowing about it, until nearly the end
and eventually, Deckard met his daughter. and that's it. good for him i guess...
Nah, I loved this movie without even knowing there was an original
@@davidwilson8432 in the other hand marvel mentioned thanos once or twice after 20 movies and all of the sudden there he is looking for those pebbles and taking all over the universe
In short, The Movie isn't the Problem but the audience is.
I loved the movie but it was clearly for a more niche audience. Maybe the failure is putting 300m into a niche movie. It made a lot, but didn't make investment back
So pretentious
headjump I don’t know if ive been living under a rock with most of my friends. i literally texted and asked 51 of my friends. 40 never knew there was a new blade runner, 7 loved it, & 4 said meh. I just finished it. I love it. And ive never seen the first ones! Although i also like cyberpunk....
You make your movies for the audiences, not in vaccum.
Loving the mistake though
It explores the 'We are special when we determined to be', K's death is beautiful because he choose to be more human, and doing the very human decision even though he is not special. But you can see that his acceptance of death is in joy and fulfillment, that is already outrageously special as a replicant. JOI's death was a slap on his face that, being AI, and such as he is a replicant , it was JUST LIKE THAT, POOF. That he 'is' a fleeting being, despite being convinced that he was something.
I love everything about this movie, I think i can related to what the director and writer sees to bring out of this film.
Yes I love this your not special because who your borne at but because of what you do.
To quote another cinematic genius: "I dosent matter who I am underneath, it's what I do that defines me "
@Gerry C I thought it was pretty obvious he was dying when they showed all the blood he was losing after he sat down and opened his coat. He was losing his energy due to blood loss and decided to lie down and have a few moments of peace before the end.
Yes, I agree. I wonder if the director was trying to challenge the audience by asking if we care less about the main character after we found out he wasn't the Miracle. He's the same person irregardless
@Gerry C Replicants aren't machines. They're more like artificial people created for a specific purpose, slave labour basically. They are given certain physical attibutes based on their purpose (slave miring or a detective like K) but other than that they are essentially just lab-grown humans.
The line between replicants and humans is so thin and the main difference is humans can have kids and replicants can't. That's why K's captain told him to kill the child. If replicants can start having children, then that line gets erased and the question "What's the real difference between a replicant and a human?" is essentially nothing.
K shows emotion throughout the film although it's not obvious it's quite subtle in most cases. His breakdown at finding out he's "human", him lying to Joi his dinner looks good since he cares about her, his hesitation at getting orders to kill the child and his subtle annoyance at Deckard when they first talk about the child when he thinks Deckard doesn't give a shit.
@Gerry C Replicants are biological, not mechanical.
It's insane how much this film reminds me of Barry Lyndon. It expects a lot from the viewer and doesn't patronize them. A lot of mainstream audiences found the movie boring and thought that nothing happened. Both have themes that don't appeal to mainstream audiences. They use long holding shots to convey the story and let you sit with the world and the characters for a moment, and have characters that aren't often very emotive. Both were huge monetary flops. In time, this film will be considered an underrated masterpiece just like that. Unfortunately films are products before anything else and, chances are that if you want to make something truly special, it's not going to be appreciated in its time, and it probably won't be monetarily successful. Basically it flopped because it was too good.
Alas, the story of a man who loses his waifu by attempting to find the meaning of his life.
Thats really deep man
Now everything makes sense
*laifu
ah yes, waifu or laifu the age old question
within feels interlinked
This might actually be the most beautiful looking live action movie I've ever seen
Watch "The Fall" it's a very well made movie.
You can thank Roger Deakins for that. His cinematography is usually breathtaking.
@Karthik Narasimhan Live action means that it is a "moving" photography, like, a fancy way to say a movie i guess (?)
You haven't seen many films then.
@@ErebosGR It is easily among of the best looking films of all time from a set design and fictional stand point. Don't know where you're coming from to say he didn't see much films. That's just plain patronizing.
The failure was in the marketing not the movie people don't even know if the movie is good or bad when they pay to go see it
That’s probably right,I barely saw any trailer of this movie,like maybe two in total and very far from each other,but then nothing,glad that I got to see tho cuz it became one of my favorite movie
The marketing was kind of done on purpose to not spoil too much of the movie or raise any undesirable expectations. How many times have you seen a trailer for a movie and immediately be able to tell the entire plot?
@@nash-p maybe not the entire plot,but without a doubt where it was aiming for the story
@Shreyas Misra yeah i litteraly just found out About it through a music video. Luckily it was on netflix... just got done watching it
@@nash-p That's called bad advertising and/or bad writing. If the entire plot is obvious from a 30 second ad, your movie is way too simplistic. If I know the entire plot of a movie from an ad, I'll never watch the movie because any movie that can be properly explained with what little you can fit into an ad isn't going to be a fun movie to watch, whether or not you know the plot going into it
Saw it two nights in a row on release, once for the audiovisual experience, once for the plot subtleties. It is a masterpiece and that rarest of things - a worth sequel to a cinematic classic. It doesn't work so well on the small screen, but it is a reminder of what big-screen cinema is for - total immersion in every detail, every facial nuance, every fleeting nugget of sci-fi audio gold, every panorama, every artistic concept and set design in the most coherent, captivating vision of the future that's ever been put on film, IMHO
BR2049 is a story about a "machine" learning the joys and sorrows of a human.
Most people can't relate to feeling not only empty inside, but completely disconnected to everyone else.
To those who can this movie is immensely powerful and I am thankful that it exists.
@Jules Winnfield really hope u get through this and things get better for u but can u tell me what u didn't like about the movie?
This is a flawed mentality. You don't need to relate on a personal level to the themes of a film to feel engaged by it.
hashtag spoilers, but in my opinion, at the end, he dies as a human.
@Toxic Potato general audiences arent making that decision, its production companies who insist on bending the knee to an annoying vocal minority. Also theres nothing inherently wrong with unrepresented groups to gain more chances to participate in the industry anyways. What truly matters is whether their inclusion is preachy. general audiences dont give a shit, they just wanna watch entertertaining movies.
@@ZeZwede I found the symbolic value so powerful in the ending shots: The "machine" could feel the very real snow in his last dying breaths (presumably), while Harrisons daughter just had the artificial snow, and that's all she has ever known in her sterile environment... makes you wonder who "truly lived"... while at the same time reminding us to not spend too much time in the virtual world ourselves, what I have been very guilty of and will be very guilty of soon when CP 2077 launches).
This film is a masterpiece and no amount to "iT'S sLoW" in the comments will ever change my view on that.
Nah, instead we call it trash because its not Bladerunner.
@@Spartan322 wtfdym?? This IS blade runner
@@razrxo Bladerunner and this share little in common other than theme.
@@Spartan322 the movie is quality pipe down you big fool
Besides, 'slow' is often a good thing imo. Movies like gits, bladerunner, patlabor etc have space to breathe, let the audience think, gives you a chance to be immersed in the world. I'd say that's a large reason Miyazaki's films feel the way they do too. Imagine if it was all action and no pauses.
OR you could see it in a completely different way: The question brought up in both Blade Runner movies is "what makes me human?" The whole movie is about K finding his humanity. Throughout the movie, he constantly is belittled by everyone for being a replicant; he’s not real to anyone, not even to himself. But deep down, he knows there's something more, but because of his job and the world he lives in, he won't accept it. His girlfriend (Joi) isn’t real either, he doesn't think he deserves a real one, and he sees himself in her. As the story starts off, Joi is not real and there is this depressing look into a deeply lonely individual (K) who has resorted to artificial companionship because he has literally no one else. But as the story continues, and he begins to think that he may actually be this prophecy child, he begins to realize that maybe he is real. He starts breaking down, realizing that this whole time he was right, that what his girlfriend told him was right, that he is special. Because of this he begins acting human, he goes against what he's told - he lies, as he believes he really is real, that he has a soul. But after it is revealed to him that he isn't this child, he loses hope. He faces an existential crisis. It's akin to believing you're something special, a "chosen one", but then it comes crashing down, since it was fake and your hope shattered. The resistance tells him to kill Deckard, and he begins to act as he did at the beginning of the film, just following orders. But before he does, he sees Joi’s giant advertising hologram (eyes all black, imparting an emptiness mirroring what K is feeling at the moment), and then K realizes something. He realizes this whole time, she was just as unreal as he was. But he loved her just the same. When Joi says "I'm so happy when I'm with you" and when she speculates that K may be the child of Deckard and Rachael, that is the programming. But Joi gradually develops real feelings for K: her chime going off when K meets Luv and again when he meets Mariette (jealousy), she worries when K is knocked unconscious in San Diego, her comment in the three-way scene: "I want to be real for you", her rude treatment of Mariette the morning after the three-way, the surprising suggestion that she wants to be completely stored in the emanator, “like a real girl”, and finally when Luv is about to destroy the emanator, the despairing and heartfelt "I love you!" right before she is destroyed. It makes no difference whether a person is made up mostly of DNA or binary code. Your emotions come from the observed actions of other humans (or lack thereof) and Joi is as real to K as any human ever could be, because her actions are not only human but they seem even more human than the actions of other humans in the movie who are presented as cruel and lifeless. So, it hits him, if I can believe she is real, why can't I believe I am real? He realizes that this whole time, he always had a soul, that everything he did while he thought he was this "child", the way he acted, that was him. The memory of the horse is a palliative for K. The the voice over: "dying for the right cause is the most human thing a person can do." This not only alludes to him, but to Joi too. She risked her life to help him, and died because of it. Joi herself isn't real, but her love for K is genuine. You can never program an emotion, that's a theme to both movies. It is developed, but it can't be manufactured. None of her counterparts would show concern if he were injured, like she did. None of them would try to stop Luv from killing him, like she did. And in the end when she realized she was going be destroyed she said the very words he wanted to hear "I love you" when she could have said anything else. K realizes that she was real. Him realizing she is real, is his "miracle" (the memory flashback to what Sapper said) that gives him a reason to believe he too is real. He then uses this freedom to go against what he is told, freeing Deckard, reuniting him with his daughter, and then dying peacefully (just like Roy from the first Blade Runner movie). Instead of being told what to do again, K decides to do something different. His actions of saving Deckard and letting him meet his daughter, says something else about his feelings for Joi. K decided that Joi was real for him in the end, that he did feel love for her. And to solidify this humanizing aspect of him, he chooses to sacrifice himself out of compassion for Deckard, to let him feel love in the end as well by reuniting him with his daughter. He has now proven to himself that he was always real and is more human than human. He lets the snow land on him, just like the rain did on Joi earlier in the film when she discovered she was real. He is real. He is free. The movie clearly comes down on the side that says a soul isn't given but earned. K becomes human by the choices he makes and earns his humanity (or "soul") by the movie's end. That's one the of the miracles that Sapper alludes to. After trying to prove himself human and work to be human and an individual the entire movie, his last act is truly the most human thing one can do. He thought he loved only to have it torn away, he thought he was the replicant baby only to have that torn away. He was waiting to be granted humanity by someone or something else, and by the time this scene rolls around, he has finally become human by making the decision himself.
Love this take. I always find the scene where K goes to resuce deckard on the ship to be the most powerful and biblical moment in the story. After everything he's lost he could have even done the human thing and sucummbed to hate or given up but instead he chooses to risk his life and very existence to save another and in a way becomes "more human than human".
What a perfect homage to the original film.
I do agree with you 100%!
Well said!
Thank you
It seems this is too hard to understand for movie goers, or too cerebral. I loved every minute of this movie and I watched it several times. Thank you
Some excellent points, and I think you’re right in that it demands a lot from the audience. It’s a meditative journey about what it means to be human, but it’s all in the subtext, and I find this fascinating with K’s journey.
"The captains actions and death were completely for nothing". Just like most peoples. I know it's not "Hollywood" but I think it's great. It's real and bleak. Most people die suddenly and for no reason.
I also love the "not special" part. We all think we're special. We are all the heros of our own lives but we're just specks of dust in the cosmos.
You know what's not great? Wasting 3 hours of your life while also completely fucking up your emotions.
I watch a movie to relax, to have fun. Watching Blade Runner 2049 was interesting. It was intriguing and it was deep.
You know what it wasn't? Fun. The pacing was slow and the fight scenes dragged on for way too long. I stopped being excited at who would win and started praying that it would finally end so that the plot can finally move along.
Despite what some people want to say, crushing the average viewers expectations over and over again, is not good writing. Any angsty teenager can write about a character that loses everything and amounts to nothing. Of course, it takes a truly skilled writer to do it well. But the plot point of someone losing everything and amounting to nothing isn't really unique.
Is it a good movie? Depends on the metric. My metric is based on my enjoyment. And I did not enjoy Blade Runner 2049. Movies are meant to help you escape reality, not hammer it in. Imagine if a suicidal teen saw this movie, how would they feel by the end?
yeah that's called real life we see that everyday it's not a rare thing, what's rare is being a hero and being special, that's what audiences want to see, not real life bacause real life is already bleak, people are trying to escape it by watching movies
@@vulpine3431 its called cinematography and story writing , you might watch movies or stories for escapism, others might not.
What is the 'average viewer' more relates to the times , the original Blade Runner is very similar to this but people well received because people where more open to exploring philosophy in story telling and other concepts , they where more stable in how they saw themselves, but today more people look to movies so as to escape the problems of their lives and the fact they don't feel special with themselves , its not about being an angst teenager , its about peoples general mentality and today people are filled with depression than anything else, so seeing it on the big screen today is really hard to convey inside peoples minds.
I mean I'm not going to lie to myself allot of films that allot of us would even call great from say like directors like Quientin Taratino , wouldn't work if he started releasing them in today's atmosphere .
Mind you though I do also Love the Marvel movies (like really LOVE them), but I'm watching them because I like the stories and have been a fan of Marvel from when I was young reading comics , I'm not watching it for escapism.
Me personally Ive never watch a movie or story as a form of escapism (Its a personal belief of mine that if your looking for escapism , then you really need to change the circumstances of your life , cause escapism just seems like weakness to me) , I watch movie' and read stories for the intrigue ,the concepts put forward and for the possible scenarios that can come of it as related to reality then also with how well they can all be presented through different skills of filmography.
So for me, I Loved this film and it hurts me more than anything that because of all this 'stuff' making it not to succeed , I know there wont be another sequel any time soon , because the cinematography was on point.
Well said
@@vulpine3431 I remember people complaining back then how movies are predictable and unoriginal and now we have this I am glad this movie exists to show people not all movies follow the same formula maybe this movie's bitter taste in your mouth can open your mind if not, you can always watch Star Wars or Avengers to have fun.
"General audience" doesn't like, isn't used to, and isn't ready for movies like this and it doesn't matter. Not everyone needs to like everything.
Agreed.
Yup. The only mistake with the movie was spending more money than they should. With a more humble budget, I think it would have have performed better in the end.
@@Yoseqlo1 yup had this costed 100 million it would have been considered break even
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I disagree, 'general audiences' only watching superficial/bad movies means that we get more of them. We need to reignite the public's perception of film as an art form and not just entertainment
It's so sad that people don't enjoy these kind of movie experience anymore, because it means movies like this will become lesser and lesser.
The movie did $260 million at the box office. I have no idea what people are banging on about. It was not the sort of film that was going to do $700 million. The original only did $40 million at the box office.
@@bighands69 Because cost of production isn"t quite the same as it was 40 years ago... take all the vfx artist, the actor,and production and... well you should be at about 150 milions... now you might think. oh well tha's great then about a 120 milion in benzefice? well wrong. you still have communication, publicity and all that jazz whiwh is usually about the same as the production cost...
@@ikasuki1
The original movie involved the actual building of the city by hand for miniatures. Which was far more complex than the 2049 was.
Maybe they can make this style of movies on a smaller budget & thus with less risk...
@@Levi-rc8kh Those marvel movies are terrible
Great analysis, it made me understand better how I felt about the movie and also about the Villeneuve's Dune movies, thank you
I actually loved the movie. I was really satisfied that it wasn't another attention deficit disorder treatment with stimulation bombardment. It's real cinema, artful, well crafted, immersive and unique with its own aesthetic. I think marketing was the problem. That it is slow is a virtue of the film and adds to the aesthetic, not the cause of its lack of box office hits. That's a symptom of poor marketing. The film was pure cinema, pure art.
Same here, I hate that peopIe nowadays are so dumb, that even some Ionger memes are too Iong for them to read them.
They buy a videogame, then skip fcking cutscenes. And just try, try to show your friend a song Ionger then 3 minutes...
Is it reaIIy that hard to focus? Does it fcking hurt them? I don't get it.
The only answer that I have is that this movie is not for idiots, an most of the people are. And thats it.
@@6Hell6oopz6 It's really weird. As someone who literally has ADHD, I can still focus better than most people I've met. Just give me something to actually focus on and I'm hooked. Then again, that's why some people end up working at McDonald's their whole life while some people get out there and make something of their life. I work in automotive service at the moment, and I've known guys that are doing nothing but oil changes for 20 years. A lot of people just want what's easy. They don't want to work their brain for something actually satisfying
@@filmandfirearms I get how you can be Iazy when it comes to ambition and work- not everybody want Iuxury Iife, some peopIe are satified with just having peacefuI Iife. But I don't get how you can be Iazy with consuming entertainment? It's Iike pissing on your own dinner before eating.
Took the words right out of my mouth. This movie literally isn't made for the people that enjoy 2 hour long commercials like Marvel movies. It's a thought-provoking, slow-paced movie that actually breaks away from the cliches that plague cinema and all capitalistic entertainment ventures these days. The very cliches that people "claim" not to like, but get galvanized to denounce with parodical fanaticism at the moment's notice when they can't locate them in their entertainment.
up until now i thought this movie was a complete success. i had no idea that so many people reacted so negatively to it. to me it's an absolute masterpiece.
i loved how slow the movie was because I was able to get free time to admire everything within. it was great to see that they keep respecting the long/slow side of the 80s one as well, i think this is why is beautiful.
its sad that maybe those popular reviews for this movie are a reflection of what we are becoming: basically we are being more lazy mind wise, we need continous stimulation and to get things done right away. this movie can remind us to just chill and gaze :)
Yeah I can chill and gaze in real life. If I’m paying to watch a story then I want to see something happening. It doesn’t have to be constant. But when 30+ minutes go by without anything of importance happening then it’s a waste of time
Why good movies fail? Because general audiences have bad taste.
Being hinted as special only to end up disappointed later.
As a millennial, this film finally hit me.
Oh man that's pathetic. So have you watched Fight Club?
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In short:
Although nothing tastes better than a properly home-cooked meal, people are too lazy put in some effort in the kitchen.
People prefer the McDrive junkfood over an actual good meal.
Unfortunately the "instant" mentality drags itself to the cinema. Blade Runner 2049 was amazing and it's super sad that we'll barely ever see movies like this anymore.
bro the trailers were awesome pew pew shooting, flying car and neon lights... the average person who enjoys "Mcdrive" would have gone to see this right?
@@Happyjethappy not exactly. There was like one explosion and not much action in the trailer. But, people ask arround and knowing what kind of the movie was original they can figure out it is not an action for dummies.
Ironically, people that go and get the fast food spend about as much time in a drive-thru that they would doing prep and cooking. Many things can be made fairly quickly if you plan ahead.
Also, slow cookers exist for a reason.
Most Americans only see a few movies a year, so it would make sense for a general audience to latch onto franchises they know. Most people do this because it is almost guaranteed to not waste their money. Also, you say that there aren't any slow movies anymore, I feel like you might be looking in the wrong places for them if that's your conclusion.
Quality is in TV series today, movies are trivial
so basicaly, BlAdE rUnNeR 2049 iS tHe DaRkSoUlS oF mOvIeS
for real though im glad the movie didn't cater or try to pander to general audiences.
Indeed. We have enough of those ADHD generation shitfests that are so packed with action without substance that you just zone out. Mortal Engines comes to mind as one of the worst ones I've watched lately.
Dude The Dark Souls franchise has topped 27 million lifetime sales!!!!!!!
even Darksouls series succeed commercially. that's not a good comparison
Exactly
this boring ass movie
I was watching the movie yesterday for the second time with a buddy of mine.
I loved the slow pasting, expositions and the "show don't tell" type of story telling. The movie absolutely absorbed me. The long scenes left so much room for thinking about what you are actually seeing. It left so much room for interpreting, understanding and feeling what the characters feel.
K almost never verbally expressed what he was thinking and feeling, instead it was shown to us with long-lasting shots of his emotions. Ryan Gosling did such an incredible job with it.
My friend I was watching the movie with almost fell asleep several times and was happy when it was finally over.
The original was a subtle dystopian film noir sci fi that asked big questions and engulfed you in its world and atmosphere. I saw it as a teen and I was mesmerized by it, it's my all-time favourite film. Same goes for the sequel, it was magnificent if you knew what you were getting into.
The second movie missed the heart that the first one had.
Almost like the second one had too much thinking going into it, and not much feeling.
@@GeeTrieste Exactly. Well said. For example, in the first, you really inhabit Deckard's room. Scott takes time out of the plot for beautiful moments of introspection and reflection - like Deckard on the balcony with blanket and whiskey glass as the spinners float by below. It conjures up feelings. There's a connection there. We empathise with Deckard. By contrast, K's apartment was sterile. There were no "balcony" moments with K. The closest was the enormous Joi advertisement but that was too specifically linked to his character and not as universally accessible as the melancholy and loneliness in the balcony scene with Deckard. Villeneuve's effort felt driven by plot and aesthetic, but Scott's original felt driven by mood and theme. In short, I agree completely. Original, masterpiece. 2049, watched once and that was enough. Disappointed. Heartless and sterile. Someone above called out Jared Leto's casting as a bad choice (and it is) but perhaps it's also a telling choice, because in a lot of ways 2049 is the Jared Leto of Blade Runner films. Ambitious, some talent, but just wrong.
Just watched this movie today and I absolutely LOVED it. The cinematography was amazing, in fact I found comfort in K's character... I felt like I was seeing the loneliness and emptiness of my life in being portrayed through his... And that longing for a genuine connection is so universal... I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a masterpiece in my opinion.
Dude blue is the warmest color is more entertaining than this movie.
That's what it makes art pleaseant for the human kind. The connection that you could feel with the piece, with the autor or with both of them
I think that you missed a MAJOR reason for why this movie “failed.”
It’s a sequel to a cult classic sci-fi film from 1982. Not a reboot. It’s a film that absolutely required the viewer to have seen and full grasped the original.
Also, it’s not a superhero movie so it had that going against it with general audiences.
I could've watched it on tv recently but decided not to when I read it's a sequel. So yeah I probably wasn't the only one who thought that
Blade Runner 2049 was the smelliest bullcrap I have ever smelt, and I haven't even smelt bullcrap in real life, it's that bad. And the reason is because the writing was bad af, cinematography pacing was all over the place and the general tone was drab at best. But you do you.
I loved watching it without seeing the original. Looking up what replicants were, was the only thing i needed to do to be caught up enough to follow the plot
i haven't watched the original but this movie amazed me on its own, prolly because i've been watching a lot of a24 movies and other works of villanueve
@@geminisol7061 I actually tried to watch 2049 about 2 years ago without seeing the original (only could get past 25 minutes) and I just couldn’t get into it. I literally watched blade runner and 2049 and I was blown away. For me, I had to watch the original. I think it makes the film way better. Obviously each experience is going to differ but that’s just what happened to me.
Like you I really enjoyed this film but, like the psychology you describe, I also felt somewhat disconnected and unfulfilled at the end of film, but wasn't sure why. A REALLY smart analysis video. Thank you.