How To Use Compression on Your Mix

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  • In this episode I directly compare different types of analog and digital compressors on the 2-bus.
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  • @kerrysmith
    @kerrysmith 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +478

    The physical SSL comp was surprising in how much more "like a record" it sounded, with the imaging, and the way it pushed the vocal forward a little. You can do more of these Rick, but if you're going to do them, you need to compare the same sections of the songs, and not have different processing on different densities of arrangement.

    • @WrestleTheDecibel
      @WrestleTheDecibel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      "You need to compare the same sections of the songs, and not have different processing on different densities of arrangement" - I came on here to say the same. Pointless comparing an open verse to a dense chorus

    • @shinomorello
      @shinomorello 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I was ready to provide same feedback regarding song section were not the same during comparisons. However it was a good topic as always in this channel.

    • @cbrooks0905
      @cbrooks0905 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I can definitely hear the differences. It’s subtle, but if you know what to listen for it’s obvious. I like how the analog SSL kept the mix open and gave it that sound like it’s a record. The only thing I didn’t like was how it made the vocal a little more pokey. Over all I think it was the best though, so I’d probably just go back into the mix and attenuate what needs to be attenuated to tame the vocal back down. I should note that I listened to this in the car while eating Chick-Fil-A. So I could be wrong.

    • @WrestleTheDecibel
      @WrestleTheDecibel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cbrooks0905 😂😂😂👍👍

    • @cbrooks0905
      @cbrooks0905 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WrestleTheDecibel I didn’t mean to comment that here. Oops! 😂

  • @samuelbreuer
    @samuelbreuer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

    For the final comparison it would have been very helpful to loop the chorus and hear the different compressors in the same part of the song 😊

    • @sideshow4463
      @sideshow4463 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      I agree. This comparison was not very good because the song sounds different in different sections.

    • @broad_cat
      @broad_cat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was thinking about this too. I've only sparingly done some mixing, but from my PoV I can see where both are valid. Doing back to back means you compare most to what was before it rather than how it individually sounds. But mixing it up this way, you're having to be more discerning about the comp on its own.
      Even learning *how* to listen to things (like Rick said even careful level matching is crucially important to A/B testing) is such a skill to amateur audio productions.

    • @calebneff5777
      @calebneff5777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah, the compressors changing with the song parts makes this useless.

    • @Disciple_Of_Lerxst
      @Disciple_Of_Lerxst 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree. It was hard to hear a difference throughout the different bars, and how melodic his singing is. If we were hearing the same part over and over again through each compressor, I think I would have noticed more. The analog SSL was about the only one where I heard a distinct difference. But I'm hard of hearing.

    • @dino1065
      @dino1065 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree

  • @thomastucker5686
    @thomastucker5686 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    What I hear is amazing vocals that it almost doesn't matter what you do with it. The performance outshines anything you are doing with it. Of course you made it amazing in the first place on the recording end. This just proves to me the performance is the key. I can appreciate the addition of buss compression as demonstrated, but it is hard to get past the performance.

    • @rbrianharris
      @rbrianharris 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yes... I agree. This kinda' stuff makes me think of people comparing salt on cooking shows. I'm sure they feel there's a difference. But to most, there just isn't.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      "What matters what you do with it" here is reaching the goal of producing a radio-friendly mix that readily inhabits a cultural landscape and technical standards. It is quite specific, albeit in the midst of hundreds of possible variables.
      Naturally, talent is _always_ going to be the most important ingredient in making a fine recording. No getting around that!
      The greater the talent involved in the recording stage, the less doctoring-work (usually) needs to be done in post-production. It does NOT mean, however, that you can just "record them and that's enough work to make a hit record".
      TL;DR: _All audio format concerns regarding channel count, final EQ , dynamics and bandwidth limitations must always addressed by the MASTER mix._

    • @convexsix
      @convexsix 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, a good vocalist makes a huge difference, but It takes alot of work and experimentation to get the right fx and processing working with the singer's voice and then having that sit properly in a mix .It's an art form that some producers choose to specialize in. As an example: Rob Squire (Pendulum, Knife Party) is an amazing producer but even he sends his vocals to someone else for processing. What you're hearing in this video has alot of processing going on beyond just the compression. The engineering and producing aspect are just as much a part of the artistry of the writing process as the composition and slapping any compressor on because "whatever, it works" is a lack of the attention to detail that results in great music.

    • @seenbelow
      @seenbelow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was about to say the same thing. And that the drums were excellently recorded and edited. You might as well leave them in without any further processing, it will do just fine in most listening environments.

    • @roddykennedy9476
      @roddykennedy9476 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rbrianharrisYou can hear differences but it would take a lot to convince me that they matter. It’s just slight tonal differences to me. Maybe I’ll try a again later with serious headphone listening but not sure I will 🤣

  • @dshephardcomposer
    @dshephardcomposer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    One thing was very clear, the Burl Vancouver added A LOT of character and depth. Loved that. Also, the real SSL sounded alive vs the plugin, which sounded thinner and more brittle.

    • @kaivrock
      @kaivrock 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Burl at the end sounded best to me. I thought the vocal and synth were badly recorded though. The vocal sounds like it was recorded with a cheap mic.

    • @vvessel_
      @vvessel_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I honestly thought the plugin sounded more open in the top-end / more transparant. Maybe I'm losing it though.

    • @marcusmiller8267
      @marcusmiller8267 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was my favorite as well.

    • @mpelevic
      @mpelevic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vvessel_ I hate to be the one to tell you…

    • @TheDwarfInvasion
      @TheDwarfInvasion 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@vvessel_ hardware had a little top end rolloff that would benefit from a db of EQ at 10k. but man hardware also sounded a lot bigger and more natural.

  • @marpsr
    @marpsr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +122

    It’s almost a vibe thing, and the Chandler has it in spades. Really breathes life into the sound.

    • @SeanofAllTrades
      @SeanofAllTrades 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think it's doing something to the high end. I wasn't paying attention to the piano in the mix at all until the Chandler popped on.

    • @TWEAKER01
      @TWEAKER01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Transformer creaminess, as also in the earlier LTD2.

    • @ModusVivendiMedia
      @ModusVivendiMedia 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just thought the Chandler sounded really distorted. It was kind of irritating to listen to.

    • @janntucek
      @janntucek 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep, the Chandler is gold on vocals.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It is increasing relative volume of all 2nd order harmonics up into the higher overtones and air-band = i.e. more "sizzle"

  • @noyolamusic
    @noyolamusic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +183

    The SSL G hardware compressor opens up the stereo image in a very particular way. Sounds amazing. Also the way the Chandler brings out the character of the vocal is very nice!

    • @aptudo
      @aptudo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I absolutely hear that too. I thought I might be imagining it.

    • @Bernardminet25
      @Bernardminet25 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I only hear a clear difference on this one too. The mix is more « airy » than the others. The difference between all the others is maybe a kick drum more or less muddy.

    • @andreifilip
      @andreifilip 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Chandler the winner for me on this mix, too! Brings the vocal upfront and has a mid forward sound I like

    • @misterjohnnymusic
      @misterjohnnymusic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      the real is real

    • @ChrisSchaffer
      @ChrisSchaffer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The chandler feels like it's the most gentle to how the vocal track ends up sounding - the SSL (real or digital) has a stronger edge to the top end of the sound that the Chandler rounds off in a very musically pleasing way that I prefer for this specific track. It's subtle, but I am feeling the same vibe you are.

  • @djdanger9812
    @djdanger9812 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I think its important to loop the same piece of music when doing comparisons. If you play though a track continuously while switching out gear its not a real comparison because the song is sonically evolving as it plays through as is the stereo image with different instrument parts coming and going. If a 2-4 bar section is looped for the comparison I feel its much clearer how the equipment is interacting with the audio. Big fan of the channel and excited to see content like this finally on the channel Rick!

  • @enispenvy9174
    @enispenvy9174 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Can we just take a moment to recognize how great the song and the vocalist is? Wow!

    • @silversurfer427
      @silversurfer427 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wish I could find the song and artist...

    • @enispenvy9174
      @enispenvy9174 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Song: North South North
      Artist: Our Wild Love

    • @silversurfer427
      @silversurfer427 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@enispenvy9174 Thank you very much!!

    • @beejsmusic
      @beejsmusic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sounds a bit like Keane.

    • @mikemakesmaps
      @mikemakesmaps 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      heavy jeff buckley vibes

  • @user-ee4wh8vv5o
    @user-ee4wh8vv5o 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Chandler TG1 gave life to the mix, it is so clean and opens up the entire mix. Gr8 work

  • @thetoddkeith
    @thetoddkeith 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I've never heard of a Burl Vancouver but it blew everything out of the water. The difference was so deep and obvious. It does something to the harmonic bed of the song.

    • @ferociousmullet9287
      @ferociousmullet9287 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Transformers compress with level and respond to bass differently to higher frequencies, so you will get them saturating earlier in the low end. All compression is 'wave shaping' aka saturation/distortion, so add some form of harmonic distortion. The difference with transformers is how the time constants work. As they are magnetic in how they operate and so have something called hysteresis which can be thought of a bit like having a degree of lag or 'memory' in how they change state. In that it takes a certain amount of energy to get them into a certain state and another different level of energy to get back to their previous initial state. Tape compression offers the same type of response. You can think of them as acting like limiters but with a near instantaneous attack and release time. So their action is very much 'invisible' to hear unlike a 'normal' compressor with it's very obvious at times changes in audio level due to the amount of time taken for them to operate.

    • @rumar4u
      @rumar4u 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ferociousmullet9287That’s great and all but the most important factor which is audio quality and a distinctive “color” is what Burl impressed the most.

    • @frankmarsh1159
      @frankmarsh1159 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ferociousmullet9287 Compression has nothing to do with "saturation/distortion". Any "saturation/distortion" or harmonic distortion added to the sound would be a side effect of the specific compressor being used.

  • @jusplainmark
    @jusplainmark 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I like the uncompressed mix- the vocals are superbly recorded! The compressors *do* bring out subtleties in the background, which even out the soundscape and individual voices. I particularly liked the Chandler- it brought out the bass and piano lines, to more closely enhance the vocal. Overall- I liked the Vancouver and the analog SSL G-comp- they enhanced and balanced the overall mix, and brought it to life. However- I still appreciate the good recording, uncompressed!
    Yes- please do more technical videos! Thank you, Rick!

  • @LeonFeldmanMusic
    @LeonFeldmanMusic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Most beneficial aspect of this video was showing how subtle the color of a bus compressor really is when level matched.

  • @matthewcohen6093
    @matthewcohen6093 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    The differences are very subtle IMHO. I’ve never properly got my head around it, even after 35 years as a bass player, and numerous years as a “producer / engineer”. It’s so subjective. It’s why we have amazing people like you in the world. You help us make sense of it all. Thank you for all you do. What a talent, and what engaging entertainment and enthusiasm you bring to this world of music. Much respect always 🫡🙏🏻

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A good way to learn the basics is to take some loops and vocal lines and go NUTS with pushing compression too far.
      I didn't understand compression until I had abused it - and then in response I overcompensated with restraint - and then eventually realized that in some situations a little goes a long way, and in others smashing things is just the ticket.
      - ESSENTIAL to intermediate compression: knowing when and how to use Vari-Mu vs FET vs VCA _[EDIT: vs Optical],_ the benefits of serial compression vs parallel and groups/bussing, anything concerning sidechain and feed-forward vs feed-back, crest vs RMS, and on and on.
      - The more advanced compression-obsessed mix-nerds are well beyond drooling over _mere Fairchilds,_ and have already gotten into ancient Dept of Commerce (some aka 'Maxson') and/or old Altec and Neve units etc; originals and recreations....while often keeping the other eye on any tools useful in the digital domain. There is simply no substitute for experience and 1st-hand know-how.

  • @MonoYMonoRecords
    @MonoYMonoRecords 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    The Burl truly brought it from mix to master more than any of the comps imo. I really liked how the real SSL softened sibilance on vox and reverb trails. TBH, stereo image was kind of a toss up, but that's likely bc of streaming through yt even at 2k.
    Also - the pre-bus mix felt really unpolished to me when I first heard it, so I was surprised by how much you rely on those final two pieces of gear to basically transform it into a record. Like it almost felt like cheating especially through the Burl. This is reminding me to hold back on prematurely turning on Ozone since that really eliminates an opportunity to draw more character out of the mix through other (more expensive) means. Unintentional mix lesson. Always great stuff!

    • @elijahslate1842
      @elijahslate1842 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, the Burl was the only one that stood out from the rest for me. Just sounded thicker on the low end.

  • @erind2197
    @erind2197 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Chandler was by far my favorite for this particular song. It didn't hurt that the vocalist was amazing and the song was sooo damn good....

  • @brianpierce6877
    @brianpierce6877 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Rick--1) Yes, more of this content and 2) that Chandler was AMAZING! For me, it really pulled it all together..vocal, snare and kick all sounded great!

  • @danieldillon6436
    @danieldillon6436 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    To me, the UBK sounded the most natural, it just seemed to get rid of the stray frequencies/distortion and seemed to enhance the track and give it more body. I heard more of the frequencies, especially in the vocals. The emulated compressors were not as natural sounding. This was a really good lesson, thank you again Rick for another great music video and learning experience.

  • @MarshallSetUps
    @MarshallSetUps 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Keep in mind that 99% of home recording artists will never even see any of the analog compressors. With that beiung said, I feel I could hear subtle differences, but nothing that made me think, "I have got to get that compressor to have my songs in the same game as the "big boys". I need to write good songs. Bless you Rick.

    • @machineagevoodoo2106
      @machineagevoodoo2106 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      99% will NEVER see. Haha bit overly dramatic are we? Jesus

    • @nikolatomic5287
      @nikolatomic5287 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@machineagevoodoo2106 he is right. 99% of the musicians are ordinary people. since every year some comp stuff is getting better, we will not go to the studios. nobody will need original thing.

    • @nikolatomic5287
      @nikolatomic5287 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@domgirard4095 what electronic stuff? "analog warm up" is nonsense by people who listen with their eyes, not ears.

  • @vivanmusicmaker
    @vivanmusicmaker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Please do more of mixing tutorials. I love the way you explain things.

  • @TheBoxBand
    @TheBoxBand 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is a whole new treasure chest in your second channel. TH-cam community owes you so much Rick.

  • @MillieandMaxMusic
    @MillieandMaxMusic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What a great vocal performance, buss compression is very secondary to that!

  • @boldstreetlad
    @boldstreetlad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Chandler does something I really like to the sound, the SSL hardware sounds very polished as you'd expect, and the UBK seems to add that little bit of mojo that the others don't have

  • @guser7137
    @guser7137 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Rick, I have to say the compression examples are very subtle to my ear. What is more obvious is that the final mix before the compression is exceptionally well done.

    • @TheDive25
      @TheDive25 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      totally agree. It sounds so clean and clear. Doesn't need any help.

    • @PunkMonster
      @PunkMonster หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah all these people saying this one or that one was better. The difference between most of them was so subtle any would have done just as a good a job as far as I could hear. Maybe my ear's bad? i dunno.

  • @semilog643
    @semilog643 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Chandler does an incredible job of emphasizing the spaces in the music, and the drums sound amazing and organic. That version just jumped out at me.

  • @tangotommi
    @tangotommi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    After the Chandler TG-1 and the Burl I seemed to hear the drum kick more and a more differentiated sound, ie, more separation. In addition, some of the real high frequencies were gone and the vocal seemed clearer. Very nice! Rick. Love it!❤👍🏼

  • @mtreder4
    @mtreder4 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The Chandler does a great job of opening up the mix. More like this please!

    • @dougthornton6884
      @dougthornton6884 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. The Chandler just sounds better overall.
      Would make my listening experience pleasurable.

  • @_brocklee
    @_brocklee 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I love how much compression on the entire track brings the time based effects forward in the mix. It really makes the string pads and piano staccato stuff shine without being too loud in the mix. The real SSL is my favorite but the Chandler is a close 2nd and probably my favorite depending on the day.

  • @kevinlittle7776
    @kevinlittle7776 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The differences are subtle but discernable. I felt the glue most from the Burl. I liked the Analog SSL the best as I really heard everything open up with it, the piano especially. Yes please for more content like this Rick!

  • @diegooliveirabenjamin
    @diegooliveirabenjamin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Ugh, mix professionally for 10+ years, and still I could talk comps ALL DAY, what a gem Ricky!

    • @NONE2NONE
      @NONE2NONE 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Must be nice! I literally can't tell the difference between any of them haha

    • @diegooliveirabenjamin
      @diegooliveirabenjamin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@NONE2NONE keep listening and you will, first train you ear to hear compression in general, then diferente settings, and then different compressors

  • @strayingwill
    @strayingwill 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Would love to see more content like this! I can definitely hear a noticeable difference in the way certain compressors colored the tone, especially between the digital ssl and the real ssl.

  • @tinkercitymusic
    @tinkercitymusic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    SSL G absolutely is clearly the winner. Definitely do more of these. I'd love to see you do some preamp shootouts vs plugins (Plugin Alliance, UA etc...)

  • @TomBelknapRoc
    @TomBelknapRoc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So I appreciate that you allowed us to listen to these compressors without coloring our impressions. I would definitely love to see more comparisons like this.

  • @johnvender
    @johnvender 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I was a bit surprised how much better the real SSL sounds than the Waves plugin. Out of all you demonstrated I put the Waves plugin clear last. More videos like this please Rick. One suggestion I have is best uses of sidechaining.

  • @stephenmeade3369
    @stephenmeade3369 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    My personal preference is for the uncompressed mix. I generally prefer a more "live" sound and I find playback systems with more inherent resolution and capability tend to sound best with the least compression. With that said, I can see how that hot kick drum could be a real problem on a playback system with poor LF performance or drive a crappy car stereo headunit amp into clipping.
    My least favorite was the Burl. I'm sure on certain tracks or instruments it's magical -- just not here. It felt veiled -- like it was smudging the music -- "vintagey" in a bad way. If I had to go with a compressor, I liked the UBK the best. It didn't do anything particularly well, but it provided the best all-around, balanced sound. I'd imagine it would sound pretty good everywhere. The other compression units seemed to add a thinness and flatness to the top-end. Might have been a TH-cam byproduct, but it made the music sound "cheap."
    Ideologically, I think the producer and engineers should work to make the best-sounding record they can, and let the playback equipment manufacturers deal with modifying the music to make it sound better. IE: Don't dumb down your mix to sound good on crappy car stereos. Let AC Delco put in a 2nd order high-pass filter at 80hz to keep their underpowered headunits from clipping trying to produce bass the speakers don't even stand a chance of playing. The rest of us should get to enjoy the concussive, visceral impact from a well-recorded kick drum.
    I really like these types of videos, but I'm a super nerd.

  • @JMWatts79
    @JMWatts79 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, the Burl Vancouver version sounds perfect to me. It’s magical. Very warm and clear.

  • @catchdink
    @catchdink 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hey Rick, I heard the entire album it is amazing!

  • @CLdwyer
    @CLdwyer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think what’s interesting is that each of these options affect everything in the track, especially the loudest elements (kick, vocal, bass). These are situational tools and it’s cool how mix bus processing can make a global impact to the track to accomplish a goal. Love seeing this kind of creative passion for these types of nuances.

  • @rikkvilla9767
    @rikkvilla9767 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The Chandler was pure aural pleasure. Since I prefer openness and clarity in a mix, the Chandler seemed to add space and reduce clutter while providing definition, especially in the well-recorded vocal track. I listened only once (pre-planned) to avoid the inevitable clouding of the ears that seems to occur all-too-quickly when overconcentrating (especially on mixes of our own music!)

  • @blairholmesproductionsinc.9432
    @blairholmesproductionsinc.9432 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice Rick! This is terrific. A nice summation of different tools. The tune is great too! Thx!

  • @focusonjunta
    @focusonjunta 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That UBK-1 thing is GOLD!

  • @taylorvolleberg
    @taylorvolleberg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Something in the Analog SSL G really makes the mix shine. All the squish or the movement in the low mid freq really stand out and feel smooth. I think a lot of compression is based more in feeling than what is apparent audibly and for newer producers or people just learning to mix that can be easily misunderstood or even noticed. This was a super cool video, thank you Rick

    • @steamer2k319
      @steamer2k319 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, I liked the crunchiness of the analog G-comp best on this mix. They're all pretty subtle, though.
      I think uncompressed could be cool for e.g., a more organic-sounding bridge.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in a word, buss compression is GLUE
      ...and _pssst! you can get better results than this by using more than one comp in series; check Joe Chiccarelli's technique._

  • @guitboxgeek
    @guitboxgeek 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I use the Chandler as my main parallel buss for drums, like Rick mentioned. I love that sound, but the Burl, wow. I was more impressed with that then I thought I would be. That said, it's all through YT's algorithm. Love this stuff, Rick!

  • @Pmdrumcircle
    @Pmdrumcircle 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes absolutely please Rick please keep making vids like this. I really enjoyed the comparisons between each compressor.

  • @fugue6904
    @fugue6904 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    really great to see you do a video showing the differences in recording gear and compression! love it, more please

  • @LearnWithStephen
    @LearnWithStephen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Burl sounds teally nice to my ears. Love this kind of content (as well as anything else ;) )

  • @martindl9897
    @martindl9897 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Rick, as an untrained ear, for me there's a subtle difference between each compressor. It's not a huge difference, but it's more like a colour, a texture.
    Love to see more of this technical videos. Thanks.

  • @Jowdanicus
    @Jowdanicus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, I was literally researching and playing around with this very thing all day yesterday. You couldn't have dropped this video at a better time!

  • @supakrunch
    @supakrunch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Burl B32 Vancouver was the surprise hit for me. Loved the video!

  • @jamescaseymusic
    @jamescaseymusic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I do hear a difference but I don't understand the difference, I couldn't adequately describe it. I DO want more content like this.

  • @vatonatroshvili1088
    @vatonatroshvili1088 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    In my opinion - the burl Vancouver and the chandler TG1 did the best for this very type of song. I definitely can hear the harmonics added to the mix and it is very ear pleasing and in tact.

  • @soundcreation
    @soundcreation 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks so much for this vid and yes I would love to see more of content like this!! I run a small recording studio full time and always love to hear Ricks amazing expertise and deconstruction of mixes, and improve mine🙂

  • @iammadeofsound
    @iammadeofsound 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video Rick! And a fantastic song too!

  • @FishloreJimson
    @FishloreJimson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Regarding the bus compression, all I can say is through my desktop speakers, lacking compression did absolutely nothing negative to my listening experience. I'd enjoy the music exactly the same with or without it.

  • @dustofvraj8100
    @dustofvraj8100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice! I would love to hear the same part of the song looped through each signal chain thus giving us the most accurate comparison. When the songs dynamics change from part to part the compressors are working differently. Therefore the a/b comparisons fluctuate.

  • @ernstvanoeveren4361
    @ernstvanoeveren4361 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love it Rick! More of this type of stuff please.

  • @daniel.bouley
    @daniel.bouley 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love this kind of video - exercises in subtlety - the Vancouver and TG1 are my favorite!

  • @aleksamrkela831
    @aleksamrkela831 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Awesome video! Love the engineering side of this channel. :D The plugin isn't even close to the hardware SSL compressor. The Chandler has a specific color/saturation that's absolutely perfect for the song. The Fatso's great for improving the crest factor.

    • @pisceswater...6998
      @pisceswater...6998 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if you hit Saturation it is

    • @aleksamrkela831
      @aleksamrkela831 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pisceswater...6998 Not sure what you're referring to.

    • @pisceswater...6998
      @pisceswater...6998 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aleksamrkela831 ssl plug

  • @PrinceWesterburg
    @PrinceWesterburg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Waves plugin has spitty treble (mind you the source was quite harsh) which the transformers don't have. Most Waves plugins have a muddled midrange too but in this case its pretty good - especially given the price! The Burl is really good while the Chandler was a bit flabby - but thats great for certain things. The real SSL was superb, and we've heard it on so so many records. All these tools have their uses and the Waves deficiencies could make it shine in a signal chain that needed that.

    • @johanh9637
      @johanh9637 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good comment. You seem knowledgeable. Have you tried U-HE presswerk?

  • @5150samluis
    @5150samluis 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, Rick! First at all, thank you very much for sharing a lot of meaningful practical knowledge with all of us. I really love videos like this and I learn a lot with them. It`s amazing to hear this comparison. The differences are subtle, but they make it clear that each bus compressor has it`s own personality. That's where the magic is. More than hearing, it is possible to feel the differences. For example, the SSL G-Comp's digital emulation makes the sound less dense, and the reverbs become more evident.

  • @motob2863
    @motob2863 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like this content. Differences were subtle but the Chandler definitely added clarity and punch.

  • @paul_bliven
    @paul_bliven 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    To me the actual SSL G made the highs less brittle, still really present but nicer (I don't know how to explain it). The Chandler seemed to pump a bit more, sounding more heavily compressed, at least on that last pass where you were comparing all of them in a row. All of the bus compression, including the digital, made the mix's mids seem to get more balanced and smooshed together the entire mix so that the transients were less loud and the attacks were fatter. But yes, it still is a bit of cork sniffing. The average listener will probably have a hard time discerning this, since as an audio mixer I know the sound of compression.

  • @qfz2112
    @qfz2112 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I think TH-cam compression may have annihilated all the subleties of these mixes, cause they all sound veeeery similar to me. Much more similar than the mixes I've done myself when I was comparing buss compressors.

    • @LodvarDude
      @LodvarDude 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thats a good point. Also, pro mixers tend to run these compressors less hot and way more subtle than non-pros do. It's more about tone than actual comression for them, especially at that point in the mix. I think that, and that we have to deal with Tube compression makes it hard to hear the subtleties.

    • @Jeroen_K
      @Jeroen_K 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That might be true, but also quite relevant, because most music is listened to through streaming services.
      I experienced the biggest difference between no bus comp and the other clips in my listening environment. Beyond that I have to admit my ears aren't trained enough to a) know what to focus on and b) notice a difference.

    • @DamonBates
      @DamonBates 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This. I started my career in a 24 track NYC studio...massive klipsch monitors, 24 track studer revox machine...life long musician...I struggled to hear the diff over TH-cam. Oh, l listening on Mackie HR824 monitors. Like my ears, they're not awesome but they don't suck.

    • @bgrichting
      @bgrichting 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So glad I'm not the only one, was starting to question my hearing abilities and see a doctor ;-)

  • @silviopimentel7247
    @silviopimentel7247 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please more content like this. Deffinitly hear the difference. Amazing

  • @aarondunn4493
    @aarondunn4493 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    More please. Definitely hearing a difference. Really love what the burl transformers were doing.

  • @jlrjlrjlr
    @jlrjlrjlr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The real SSL definitely sounds more open compared to the waves version, that was probably the largest difference to me. I would've loved to hear a few more in-the-box comparisons though! That openness that many seek out in hardware can (maybe) be found in some more recent plugins, especially brainworx's TMT stuff in my opinion. I'd like to see that be put to the test!

    • @ChrisSchaffer
      @ChrisSchaffer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree, but I'm also amazed by how close the roughly $20 waves version compares to the physical device. There are some differences and I like the physical SSL and the Chandler summing mixer more... but the distance between them is narrower than I would have anticipated.

    • @MichaelCosta_
      @MichaelCosta_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed, but the reall SSL is being fed by the Burl, so it's not a fair fight. I wonder how the Waves SSL would sound with the Burl before it? It would require a D/A > A/D loop. On an SSL tangent, I'm not a fan of not using the HPF on the detector and sometimes the auto-repease isn't great. The Waves SSL doesn't have a HPF, so that's that, but I would have lovedf to have heard the hardware SSL with HPF up at 60Hz and the release on a manual 200. Even the attack could come back to 10, but it depends if we are looking for control or bounce. The track was pretty controlled in the raw mix, so I'd be looking for some movement with a slower attack.and quicker manual release.

  • @AaronRogersDr
    @AaronRogersDr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I hear very little difference, It's there, but very minimal. If asked based on what I heard, I'd say yes, it's a cork-sniffer situation. However, TH-cam compression could be squishing the nuance between them down a lot. As an aside, I would love to see a pure-recorded tracks -> mixed process -> mastered process video explaining general ideas for why you use TYPES of plugins/gear (not brands and specific compressors etc as much, just basics of WHY on everything) as I dont really understand where you're supposed to put compressors, limiters, de-essers, eq etc and in which orders/busses.

    • @romestant
      @romestant 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think I hear a difference, but I don't really know which I'd prefer. Seems like marginal right now. also youtube compression could be ruining it.

    • @ChrisSchaffer
      @ChrisSchaffer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same - I'm surprised by how tight the band is between the different devices/methods - but there are differences. In my opinion the Chandler ends up feeling the best for this specific track and as mentioned in a comment by @noyolamusic it feels like it specifically does the best on the vocal in the mix. To my ear it's shaving off a tiny bit more high end or simply having rounder peaks/Qs on the top end frequencies that gives it a slightly mellower feel.
      If it were a different track it might be a different compressor, and it might largely be cork sniffing, but hey, once you get to being able to hear that last 5% of difference it's neat to hear how the selection can matter.

  • @paulbonaduce5977
    @paulbonaduce5977 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not until you pointed it out. Fantastic information, thank you for what you do day in and day out.

  • @brettdavid
    @brettdavid 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the comparisons - yes do more. What jumped out at me / surprised me was the "amount of space" that was generated between instruments and vocals - could drive a car between them all - fab! The objective compression outcomes of all was clear - however the warmth and clarity of the Analogue compressors demonstrated their power and value in the final mix. Also learnt something about the value of adding compression bus to a stereo out mix.

  • @djmoulton1558
    @djmoulton1558 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I thought the second one, the one right after no processing, was best. It is hard to judge with so much time and talking separating each example. Perhaps if you switched directly from example to example the differences might be clearer.

  • @TLofHTown
    @TLofHTown 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +170

    Question for Rick - do you hear as much of a difference once the audio is on TH-cam as you do in real life?

    • @Richard_Jones
      @Richard_Jones 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Thanks, wanted to ask the same. My middle aged ears and my laptop's tinny speakers are doing me no favours

    • @delorangeade
      @delorangeade 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I think, when I upload my own videos, TH-cam compresses the audio, but I don't know if that is what actually happens.

    • @jeffpereira4767
      @jeffpereira4767 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I agree that there must be some loss via TH-cam the differences are subtle to nonexistent.

    • @PrinceWesterburg
      @PrinceWesterburg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ditto! No 24-96 here!

    • @bolillo5013
      @bolillo5013 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      There’s allegedly no audio quality loss (to our ears), according to I think it was Benn Jordan.

  • @monstermash4591
    @monstermash4591 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More vids like this Rick!!! I can definitely hear the differences. Plugin sounded pretty good. All 3 analog comps had different vibes but they all had the air and solidity too.

  • @Funkybassuk
    @Funkybassuk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We need more stuff like this please, Rick. This (and music theory) were how I came to your channel in the first place years ago. I loved the sound of the Burl - and I was surprised how much better the hardware SSL bus compressor sounded compared to the plugin.

  • @marshy_moo
    @marshy_moo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is not a How To video. At all.

  • @luisferd3319
    @luisferd3319 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been looking for a video like this forever! Rick, you have never disappointed us

  • @Spladoinkal
    @Spladoinkal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is actually exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!

  • @onlyforyoutube9783
    @onlyforyoutube9783 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would very much love more content like this! Thanks Rick

  • @tiagofernandessegaty4199
    @tiagofernandessegaty4199 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazed with the Chandler´s sound, very very pleasant.

  • @stevendierkes6028
    @stevendierkes6028 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love these type of videos!! Wish there was an endless supply of them haha. Thanks Rick!!

  • @Apoplexya
    @Apoplexya 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm impressed. This was Zen AF. Some might say "how was this a guide on how to use compression in our mixes? You didn't talk about any of that, you just played clips through expensive gear and plugins." Saying "use your ears" wouldn't have been a very long video, and unlike what you actually gave us here, it wouldn't have been helpful. Instead you give us a resource to allow us to pick up on the nuances present in all these different methodologies, where the ability to distinguish between them is what is required to Use Compression on Our Mixes. Delivered to us with the enthusiasm of someone happy to talk to us about the work and how it's done, in under 10 minutes. Thank you.
    Onto the compression methods and what I took from them. The Burl I felt gave the mix the most "space" or perhaps accentuated the stereo image, but alone it's like "Oops! All Transients" and as a result there's a sense that the mids are missing out on something, even if it's only perceptual. The SSL G-Comp was kinda the opposite, everything felt more "there" but almost to the point where the mix was competing with itself? I was prepared to talk smack about the digital version, but it had more of that mythical "air" in the high end response. The Burl-Chandler combo fared better on the separation, it had warmth but IMO it was pipped out by the UBK-1, because I felt the latter had that too with more top end and a greater sense of headroom. The UBK-1 did what I liked about the Burl, but more "filled out" so that's the winner to me. Cool gear, great video.

  • @andrewwest8334
    @andrewwest8334 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always a resounding ‘yes, please!’ to more production / engineering vids, Rick!

  • @arronsondrini380
    @arronsondrini380 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely hear a difference, they all emphasize something different in the mix. Awesome how the waves ssl gbus actually holds its own. Definitely want to see more thanks Rick

  • @ekjade
    @ekjade 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the vocals, great melody !

  • @brianmilner5406
    @brianmilner5406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please, more content like this. Great comparison. Thank you.

  • @tecomarques3588
    @tecomarques3588 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think it would be even more noticeable if the same part of the song always played on all compressors! You're the best! regards from south Brasil!!

  • @richei
    @richei 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, yes, yes, YES!!
    More! More! More, please, Sir!
    Thank You SO MUCH for that! 🤘🏽

  • @delborrell
    @delborrell 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great comparison. Keep them coming!

  • @Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape
    @Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx Rick easy to hear the differences , great content !

  • @thezombieeconomists7981
    @thezombieeconomists7981 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this kind of content. I'll confess I'm still early in my journey as a mixer and if the compressor name didn't come up I'd not notice any change. I'm very much still trying to learn to hear compression in it's subtlest forms. What I'd tend to do with a video like this is take approximate settings I see on screen into a compressor I'm familiar with and use them on one of my own tracks, that I know well. Then push the settings too hard to try and get a clearer idea of what they're doing. But I'm only now getting to grips with what attack and release do to a kick or a snare, never mind the different textures different compressors can offer. At the very least, videos like this are a lesson in where my ears need to be, especially looking at comments from people who hear it very clearly.

  • @KitBasher1
    @KitBasher1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely a yes on more Contant like this!!! I have been obsessed with compression and how to use it both live and in the studio ever since I purchased ( in the 90s) a trace Elliot bass amp with dual compression - it was a total game changer! In fact I have Ashdown’s petal version of the dual compressor and quite often I take it to the studio and run through it for a nice clean & even tone

  • @amsedelm
    @amsedelm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hear massive difference. Love this ep.

  • @Cubik303
    @Cubik303 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! The Burl is The Miracle Worker for sure, great piece of gear.

  • @paristrout8469
    @paristrout8469 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have to admit, that most of my experience with audio is live, not studio work. Though I have done a few small records in my past.
    I have always loved the original analog SSL bus compressors, though it is pretty rare I get to use them live anymore.
    My issue with most of the bus compressors out there is that I can hear them pumping. The absolute WORST for this is the DBX 160XL. I can hear that thing compress at 1/2 a db. If the meter moves, I can hear it.
    The flip side, and the most transparent compressor I have ever used, is the Crane Song STC-8.
    It is basically the only compressor I will put on a live 2-mix.
    Love the content Rick. Keep it coming!
    Paris

  • @joelwallace7604
    @joelwallace7604 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this video Rick. If I heard any difference the Burl was the one that shined for me. Seemed to jump to a “warmer tone” that my ears love to hear on recordings. Thanks From the mountains of NC

  • @mikaeljohansson83
    @mikaeljohansson83 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes please more videos like this it's a nice addition to your already great content:)

  • @Schilliebillie
    @Schilliebillie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On clear winner: the Chandler.
    Thanks Rick!

  • @FY4112
    @FY4112 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really love the SSL G COMP stereo compressor. Please continue to make content like this

  • @blue_cloud7
    @blue_cloud7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting episode and beautiful song.... 🎚️💿🎸🥁🎧🎼

  • @Disciple_Of_Lerxst
    @Disciple_Of_Lerxst 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, do more of these!!!

  • @tutubeos
    @tutubeos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, more content like this, thank you Rick

  • @richardsteinbergmakingknives
    @richardsteinbergmakingknives 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SSL G-Comp and the TG1 are amazing.