Love your content Chris and I know you’re working with Nike now but let’s be a little more realistic. Nike used their cheapest foam as the carrier in this shoe for profit; not because it was the best foam for the job. Even if it is the best foam for the job, I can almost promise you, a company like Nike did not have this in mind.
Pinning this comment for all of those wondering about the below: You know, I originally thought the SR-02 was due to cost issues only. However, now that I've run in this shoe I don't that is the reason. No doubt it helped keep the cost down and more ZoomX could be added or better upper materials, but that wasn't the only reason in my mind. SR-02 has always been more airy and softer. It is one of the reasons it feels so generically soft under foot. The Nike Joyride is a prime example of this feel. Outside of the TPE beads, the midsole felt way too soft an unstructured due to the use of SR-02 foam. That being said, SR-02 is VERY durable and abrasion resistant (for a foam). Ironically though, it pairs well with ZoomX, as they both have a similar airy feel to them, though the SR-02 lacks all of the resilience of ZoomX. When you sandwich them together though, with a carbon fiber plate structuring them both, you get a great ride. Soft under foot, taking the edge off the ZoomX and making a lightweight midsole... three things the ZF6 needed. Cushlon, since it derives from Phylon, is a much denser material. In the Vomero 17, with the lack of a plate, it worked as the carrier and structure for the softer ZoomX. This worked until it didn't and then the ZoomX would just spill over the dense Cushlon foam as they fatigued due to wear. The V17 also had a bottom heavy feel to it due to the density of the Cushlon. If you stuck a plate in there it would of been very harsh and not the ride we got in the ZF6 at all. Using ReactX would have made the shoe WAY too bouncy for what I think the design brief was. It would have felt like a heavier Alphafly with the level of bounce it had. Not a bad thing, but that shoe doesn't need to exist given the VF and AF already do. The ReactX + ZoomX combo makes more sense in the Vomero 18 and the ride characteristic that shoe is going for. Though...watch the space of the Peg Premium and what I mentioned as another (evolving) tempo trainer...with ReactX + ZoomX + Air Zoom... I'm REALLY not glossing over this because of Nike or me collaborating with them. I spent alot of time working through this, thinking through it and comparing to other foams and shoes in my archive... (I'll have a video going into all of this in the coming weeks).
@@SagasuRunning So, why don’t put ZoomX + ZoomX, then? Because of the price, no? Same with the laces. The only purpose of this shoe is cost (for Nike and the consumer) and perhaps a preview of the next generation vaporfly4 design wise.
Love my zoomfly 6. Plush shoe. I question why I got nimbus too. This shoes comfort is brilliant for easy and tempo pace. I sent Boston 12 back. Far too hard. Zoom fly6 is great
@@SagasuRunning There were dedicated tempo training shoes, they were the old Nike Tempo of the 2000's that the Zoom fly the profile look is based on and a few Lunerlon models in the early 2010's. Brooks had a model that was a Tempo model, or a model suited bast for tempo speed. Socony had the Kinvara for this exact reason even though most elites also used a fresher pair for race day once the racing flat for road races was no longer in the lineup. Even ASICS had the DS Trainer once the model went back to its roots of a lighter trainer for the tempo slot even though outside of Asia, everyone also an ASICS only runner used in the DS Trainer or the Nosia tri flat once the DS Racer was limited to Asian markets only, if the runner had not been able to stock up on the DS racer model like I had.
Thank you for your intelligent, thoughtful, and *sane* analysis of what this shoe is and what Nike's design intent was with it. There is not enough of this sort of content in the running media. There is a ShoeTuber I follow who in his review of the Adizero Evo SL said it was a very good uptempo shoe but not a very good everyday trainer, and got a lot of blowback for this take.
If there's one thing that I can learn from watching running shoe reviews on TH-cam, is that we should take opinion from reviewers with a grain of salt, unless we have the first hand experience of using and running in them ourselves, because different people have different running mechanics and styles. Some just prefer coffee while others prefer tea.
Cancelled my Adios pro 4 booking and took this ZF6 instead. As a closer to 5H marathoner, I never regret that decision. Much more comfortable but the bounce is there! So fun to run in.
💪🏼 love the visuals and the history of the shoe. Sagasu at his finest. Can’t wait to take it on my long run Sunday, progressive down to HM pace with a lot in that steady zone.
@@SagasuRunning Love that Nike made the shoe so some slower/semi elite who might not be able to afford a $250+ good model of super shoe or could only get some Chinese made models that might be borderline within the rules can use a shoe like this for race day should the semi elite runner be running in smaller/less elite events that require World Athletics rules.
Big kudos for the entry disclaimer of “the elephant in the room”! It’s great to see when experts also admit to making mistakes in assumptions, but also inspiring in life in general. So thanks for that mate! 🙏 That said, you are really for me one of the best “shoetubers” out there, with the level og details and perspectives that help me in so many ways. You have always been a praiser of the Pegasus, and now I see even better why (the peg) it’s the best general running shoe from Nike, because of its simplistic “no BS” simple shoe for easy running. Where with this, the ZF6, it’s as you say “75-80% of the AF3”, and that makes sense for the budget racer or more durable tempo shoe. What I’m saying is just that you make it so visible what the different levels of pace demands from the shoe. The bigger the pace, the bigger the forces in the shoe, and therefore it needs more race tech like super foams, geometry and plates. But as you say, you wouldn’t recommend that for the daily miles of running. The shoe should fit the purpose always. 🤙 Again thanks for fantastic content! It’s really really appreciative! And I feel you help me increase my interest in running and help me develop in this hobby as well. I’m definitely going to consider the shoe, but in general I just appreciate you help so much in visualizing what is needed for me as a runner! 🙏👟 So really thanks for everything you do here! 🥳🙌 This fall I had a run where I suddenly just ran with higher cadence AND lower puls, which for me is weird, cause my pulse normally always increases when I try to go for higher cadences. Not sure if you have some advice for this, but I would be highly appreciative if you knew TH-camrs that had the same level of nerdiness in running technique and how to become better in all the human-side of running. 🙏 Feel free to reach out if you have personal advice you feel like sharing.
I'm happy to read this. I'm glad my content matters and is useful. I'm ALL about "simple" shoes and their benefits. Once in a while though a shoe like the ZF6 is a good option. I'll still prefer a "simple" shoe paired with a "super shoe", for most things...but the ZF6 is very capable. The only person I follow on TH-cam for technique and training advice is Eric Orton (BornToRunCoach on YT). Endless videos on mechanics, cadence, training ranges, etc. I literally don't follow anyone else who talks about this. I've been a fan of Eric's approach to running since my barefoot days and the book "Born to Run" (Eric is the "coach" in that book).
It definitely is, Sagasu! 🙏 I follow you on the sppriciation in simple shoes. Your ethos also highlights that shoes might “just be outsole, midsole and an upper”, but as I’ve learned from you, it’s way more than that to make a great product. Glad there is still a space for ZF6 and more technical shoes like AF3. I love my AF3 (have two pairs), so I think the ZF6 would be a win for me also. Oh great! Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll definitely check him out! 🙌👟🏃 Thanks again!
I’m so glad you gave it the SR thumbs up. I remember you being hesitant about trying these since it kind of lost its way in some previous versions. Now it’s part of your arsenal. Thanks for taking a chance and reviewing these. I love them.
Totally agree here . Great shoe, that rides somewhere between the Vaporfly and Alphafly for me, but doesn't have the aggressiveness and can be used a bit better for some slower running as well. Done everything in it from Moderate Runs all the way to some 200s(I think).
Yup, yup. Agree. I did some road 400s in these and they did well, surprisingly so (the Peg Plus has been my go-to for those). Didn't get to 200s though, I save those for the track now. This is a very capable shoe for sure.
Thank you for covering this shoe! When you first put out you were not going to cover it, I was disappointed as I had just picked up a pair after initial reception was good. I have been returning to running after dealing with my first shin splints injury in the summer, now preparing for a May Marathon. As a physio myself, I've been really trying to improve running form, training plans, cadence, foot strike, etc... This shoe has aided me in my transition from an overstriding heelstriker to a more appropriate cadenced midfoot to forefoot striker. I feel like it is going to prepare me well for when/if I invest in a pair of Alphafly 3's for race day!
Ya, if there is a shoe that is going to put you up on your toes and reward that foot stike it is definitely the ZF6 (and classically always a ZF1-4). A great training tool for quick feet and picking up cadence as well. Your transition to AF3s will feel very natural when you get there.
Still have the original zoom fly, helped me transition from always being injured to avoiding injury because of the shift. One of my favorite shoes ever. Zoom fly 3 vaporfly 1 was the best mix for me. Tempo alphaflys also worked !
@ ZF was my first, liked the 2s but wrecked them and then went to the 3s which i think had the better blend of foam (for the time). Glad that the 6 is back to its roots, going to make it easier for me to not run thru super shoes during training blocks!!
I don’t usually pay much heed to your Nike reviews but in this case I may give this shoe a chance. I liked the early versions of the Zoom Fly and it sounds like this could fit into my rotation.
I'm glad it got your attention. I wouldn't say this is clone of earlier Zoom Flys as far as the ride directly, it has some of the characteristics as I said and is reminiscent...but it's definitely pushed the platform into modern materials and modern performance. A very good update.
Great review! I am really loving these shoes. They do indeed seem to reward a clean forefoot strike. Though, I was surprised how comfortable they felt when I intentionally landed on my heel. They still felt comfortable at slower paces, but they really seem to beg you to speed up.
I was also surprised how well they worked for heel striking. The inset heel isn't as extreme feeling as the AF3. Quite comfortable and supportive for heel striking. Though yes, up on your toes is what the shoe REALLY wants.
What I find interesting is that when a new tempo trainer is released, it is invariably compared to the Boston 12, which has been out for 1-1/2 years. Just an observation. Happy New Year, Chris. 🎉 🥳
@prwnrdy Indeed. I just hope Adidas doesn't compromise the legacy of the B12 when they release the B13 later this year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I noticed DOR jsut published that video. I'll be doing a ZF6 vs B13 later this year. I will say I prefer the ZF6 over the B12. I found the ZF6 having more range and usability overall. The B12 was good, but has no relevance to the 2025 Adidas range. However, if you are sticking to racing in the AP3 for 2025, the B12 has it's place, where it always has been.
From what we have seen...similar DNA, dual foam setup...what is unknown is what foams...specifically which formula of LSP, classic of new.... that will determine it's relevance...especially with the Evo SL in the marketplace.
Older Boston models pre super foam, Kinvara, and the old ASICS DS trainer were what an old Tempo shoe was like, similar the Nike Tempo in the 2000's and some years of the 2000's Pegasus before the standard Pegasus went to being a daily trainer. The old Tempo to some speedwork day shoes were closer to a race day flat but not quite that and could work for some lighter runners who did not need a more beefy toe bumper as by the early 2010's these older style Tempo models had almost no toe bumper with some having no toe bumper.
In regards to weight, the distribution of weight is a major factor in terms of feel. Just like a sports car distribution of weight in the front and rear for traction.
Totally agree, which is why I pointed it out. A valid criticism of the older Zoom Flys was their balance, bottom heaviness and swing weight. All of that has been addressed and well resolved in the ZF6. Great engineering.
It actually feels similar to the Alphafly 3 (IMPO). Not as light and different foam than the Alphafly 3, but the same design and feeling underfoot when you roll through your stride. This shoe is absolutely amazing. I think Nike realized how bad to mediocre the first five versions were, that they really went the extra mile (no pun intended) to make this 6th version that much better.
Zoom Fly 3 was one of the most favorite trainer / racer hybrids, let alone the stability and durability issue they were fast and snappy. Wore the ZF5 for just 60KM and they were a total mess. Want to try ZF6 but I got the Evo SL already, unless there's deep discount offering.
The nice thing is this Nike Zoom Fly at 40 mm foam in the heel the shoe is still legal for people to run races in, a nice bonus for semi elite who could win some smaller/less fast participant races that do require the proper shoe height or a runner who does not like the soft feel of the true super shoes.
I don’t need any shoes currently but if I did, I actually would seriously consider buying these. Seems like it would be a great shoe to use for most Parkruns
As a HUGE Tempo Next% fan, if I could talk to Nike and tell them how to use their recent tech to build a Tempo Next% V2 it would involve taking the new Air Zoom unit from the Peg Premium, cutting it down to only cover the mid/forefoot as a single unit. Put a full layer of ZoomX above a nylon or similar stiffness plate as the ZF V6, and throw in a ReactX/SRO2 heel section below the plate. Ensure the midsole and outsole protect the Air Zoom unit from below. Keep the foam in the heel solid, unlike the AF V3. And I'd trust them to get the upper right, since besides the VF V3, they have done well with the uppers recently. If they can get the weight at 2-2.5 ounces heavier than the AF V3, it would be perfect. I'm still on the fence for trying the ZF V6, only because I have multiple working pairs of Tempo Next%s and a pair of Superblast V2, plus other serviceable uptempo/threshold shoes. Great analysis, as always.
I have a feeling you are going to see a version of the shoe you described in the coming years. I'm looking forward to testing the Peg Premium so I can validate my thinking here. The ZF6 really sets a clear direction for what Nike is trying to do with their Tempo shoes. I'll have a video on all of this once I can spend some time in the Peg Premium. The ZF6 isn't the Tempo, so if you have multiple pairs of them stick to them. If you ever see the ZF6 on sale I'd pick it up and try it. It might surprise you, like it did me.
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Watching different "shoetubers" I've always wondered (and would like to hear your thoughts on this, please) how much the state of your legs (fresh, tired, battered, etc.) affects your perceptions and reviews and how you manage to isolate or ignore, if you will, that state from your opinions of the shoes. Thank you.
OH! OHHHHHH! You are one step ahead of me here. I have a video in the works on this subject that I'm calling "Legsavingness". Both on the importance of "recovery" in foams but also how they add up over daily use. I don't have this one scheduled as of yet, it's still early in planning...but it should be out in the next 2-3 months. TL;DR...in my new testing protocol for these initial reviews I am running in the shoe back-to-back-to-back... days to both fatigue the foam AND see how well my legs respond to it over the testing period. It doesn't fully cover it, as I'm not doing any 2 hour+ long runs (though I do include a 90min long run in testing), but it gives me a good idea.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you for your detailed answer. I look forward to that video. Thank you so much as well for the insightful, knowledgeable contents on your channel. All the best!
I got these early in uk pre release. Best nike shoe in years imo. Step in comfort is top tier. Lock down is very personal but I don't like the runners knot on these so run without top loop. Running wise I like them from steady pace up to tempo. OK for short sprints but longer fast intervals I prefer other shoes (I usually use a race shoe like Adidas pro 3) they run quite flat with a late rocker so less toe off effect. I alternate these with the prime x v2 which I prefer for longer runs and use zoomfly 6 for shorter runs. But so far no regrets buying in to nike again and years away from the brand.
I feel like the spoon in the plate if forward more than the Vaporfly. That gives it that "late stage rocker" feel I think. The geometry of the midsole tooling is fairly early, especially compared to the Adios pro 3, but it doesn't run like that. So it has to be the plate geometry doing it. I do get a strong pop off of the toe... but that is the "Nike feel" I mentioned, which is still present.
I am rehabbing from a torn meniscus so all of my runs are easy. I wear this shoe for all the runs because it is so cushioned. Haven’t found any better.
The plate probably helps with support and stability. That being said Od look for a non plated shoe to transition too as you heel. Something to add, in addition, to the ZF6…. To work and rebuild all the muscles in your lower leg that the plate doesn’t allow to work.
Adidas supernova rise might work for you Although carbon played zoomfly 6 is comfy it reduces the engagement of ankle muscle You need those muscles to support your daily life
Looking for my size to drop here in Canada. They have the one with the ‘fire’ but no thanks 😂. Great review. Happy New Year and all the best for ‘25. Cheers from Calgary.
The "fire" is an iconic Nike color way, but ya...I agree, no thanks. I'm seeing all sorts of new color ways leaking of this shoe so I'd expect some new ones popping up soon.
I loved these for easy running, but that is because of the fact that I actually do need a shoe that is very stiff. Have some issues with my left foot currently when running in something like the adizero sl2, or other very flexible shoes. The pain was quite unbearable when running in those, compared to almost not even feeling it in the zoom fly 6. They are perfect in my case
Ya, stiff shoes have their benefits for certain foot issues. I have issues with my big toe joints (Hallux Limitus) and when they really flare up I do need a stiff shoe to run in (unless I'm resting them all together). However, it is best to do some rehab flexibility and strength work addressing the issues in your feet and be able to work in none plates/stiff shoes slowly into your running.
Really enjoyed the content and just came across your TH-cam channel, as I am currently looking to start running more in the New Year. I currently play a lot of basketball, lift and ride the bike a lot but always struggled with running. I’m a big sneaker head and actually really liked the EK color-way and decided to get a pair of these, but since Im not a super experienced runner I’m wondering if I made a mistake. Do you think I can still make good use of this shoe as a beginner runner?
If you pair them with a daily trainer, you'll be fine. Check on this video for the importance of running shoe rotations, from a new running on up. it will also help you learn about the different types of shoes. th-cam.com/video/5z4cY1deQqY/w-d-xo.html
Right now I've trying to find the shoes perform for " Speed Rolling running style" (not Speed for sprint), because I have adjust my running stance by utilizing haunch. I think ZoomFly 6 is close to my requirement. Thank you for your nicely reviews. Happy new 2025. 🎆
12:04 - think this is the same approach as Superblast where you have the inverted dual density setup with the more resilient part closer to the foot but without the plate
I was hoping you would do a performance matrix with this one vs other Nike running shoes. Now I am confused between this one EVO SL and Boston 13 if there will ever be one next year. I have five pairs of tempo shoes already. I can't say I am 100% satisfied with all of them. They do the job very well. Maybe I am expecting too much from a tempo shoe. They aren't supershoes after all. I hope you will compare this one with some of your other favorite tempo shoes including Pegasus Plus Boston 12 Evo SL and Speed 4. (With performance matrix please :)
I have one "vs" video planned (ZF6 vs SB2) initially and I have a "Nike Tempo Shoes" video coming in about 2 weeks that will get into rotation building. Over 2025 I will continue to do "vs" between the ZF6 and appropriate tempo shoes, like the Boston 13. The biggest issue there is that I don't run a lot in this style shoe so I won't be covering all the "popular" models, only the ones i find interesting.
Does “big” rocks stick into the hole under the midfoot ? Ps. A really detailed video as usual. I didn’t like the v5 when I tried it in the store, but this one sounds good.
I haven't had that happen, then again I'm not running on big rocks. 🤷🏼♂️ Another thing I noticed it doesn't do, that the cutout on the ZF5 would do, is suction to the road, especially in the wet. I've gotten none of that either.
The ZF6 is a better shoe than the B12 (which is an old shoe at this point) and more versatile. The B13 is a bit of an unknown...what we have seen in leaks shoes a shoe not much changed in geometry from the B12, still a dual foam setup, but the unknown is what two foams...
I'm not sure...I need to get the Evo SL first and spend some time in it. I see them as different use cases...but maybe once I run in both that will change.
Which super trainer do you think is best for my first marathon with a target time of around 4 hours? But the most important thing for me is to reach the finish line safely. I was thinking about Endorphin Speed 4, Super Blast 2 or the Zoom Fly 6?
A long run shoe with the least amount of fuss, or possibilities to mess anything up when on feet for 3+ hours and does not bottom out. The Superblast OG has better foot hugging for me, the SB2 feels loose. I really have to lace it up carefully to have a good feeling in those + more sink into the foam with my 92kg. My Superblast 1 have just 5k on them and feel less compressive but bounce! So, for me in my current state and the current state of the SB1+2 I would take the Superblast 1 for anything longer than 10K atm. But i am fat and untrained atm, so I wouldn't finish a Half Marathon continueously running up to 2 hours.😅
Endorphin Pro 4 or the Zoom Fly 6. Forget about the ES4 and you for a 4 hr marathon you'll appreciate a carbon fiber plate in that last 10k. If youw ere going for a 5 hour+ marathon, or just running it to run it, the SB2 would be the better option.
Help me understand why someone needs a special shoe to run at threshold pace or below, isnt that just more daily training? Is it for getting used to plates for race day, or can this be used as a race shoe for those of us not wanting to spend $300
I'll have a video building some rotations around this shoe and Nike's other tempo options in the next 2 weeks and will get into the "why" in depth. The short answer is it is about min/maxing. do you "need" it, nope...does it help to optimize training (and recovery), yes.
Pegasus line seems to confuse people due to lifestyle friendly design. I was always wondering why does regular Pegasus has a narrow toe box which I was struggling with. I have watched a review of new Pegasus Premium where there were complaints that heel sole area was too narrow which resulted in unstable ride when you can twist your ankle. Pegasus Plus is also a narrow shoe which feels better when you go with bigger size. Generally Pegasus line is presented as a daily trainer but I had started to think that by design Nike makes this line for tempo running. Pegasus Premium indicates as a high stack shoe with narrow heel sole ( weird combination for an easy runner) that it is a performance shoe which is not good for casual easy running. I don’t think that for easy running you need to make narrow shoes.
The Pegasus has never been a "lifestyle" shoe. It's always been the foundation of Nike Running, as a all-round daily trainer that is a bit more focused on responsiveness. It happens to be designed to work for any runner doing any task, which is why it's become so versatile. With the Plus and Premium tiers Nike now has two literal performance levels they can push the base Pegasus. I'm looking forward to testing the Peg Premium, for sure.
@ Despite having average feet I’ve been confused with regular Pegasus due to narrow toe box in my size. I went half a size up and the shoe looked too long on my feet. Weird. The same story with Nike React Miler. I went half a size up and a shoe fits well but looks too long. This shouldn’t happen with a daily trainer which aims at easy runners. I see now that Nike with narrow design imitates speedier shoes. Nike Pegasus Premium will get a reputation of a weird shoe in my opinion which doesnt work properly. And the reason is the same. With narrower heel sole they ruined this high stack shoe.
@@proudbacteria1373 The base Peg does come in a “wide” version. Performance shoes always are meant to have more race like fits so they will always be narrower and never have a “wide” option…
I currently have the zegama (for trail), vaporfly (racing 5-10k) and infinity rn4 for daily-long runs. As a replacement for the infinity’s would u recommend the pegasus plus or the zoom fly 6? I plan to do a marathon in 3 months in 3:30h but I won’t plan to do it with the vaporfly as I only use them in faster paces; so I’m thinking that I could buy either zoom fly or peg plus for training and racing the marathon. What are your thoughts? Ty :)
This is what I’d recommend. The ZF6 is the training and racing option for the marathon…but you need a non-plated shoe for easy running… the PP is that choice from your list. Though the upcoming Vomero 18 may be the better option give you seem to like higher stack shoes.
@@SagasuRunning thanku very much for your recommendation. I appreciate the efforts you make in your detailed analysis and reviews that help all the runners out there:)
I've been looking at these, would love to try it on before buying. Your (EK) colorway is nice! But my size is now out of stock on the Nike site. My use case would be the cheap/entry level race shoe while doubling as a tempo trainer maybe a few sessions per month. If I do short walking bits during a session, would this actually be better than the Alphafly/Vaporfly? Or roughly equivalent? I'm a midfoot striker though probably shift back a bit toward the heel on easy runs. This seems like a winner for sure. I'm just not sure I run enough for all the shoes I've already picked up in 2024. But I guess it's not 2024 anymore! 😂
@SagasuRunning I don't own either and haven't even tried them on in a store. I will probably try one or both at least to get an idea of the upper fit and to figure out what size in case of any nice online deals. At this point, either would be more of a "want" than a "need!" And as far as super shoes go, I suspect the Endorphin Pro 4 might be more compatible with my running than either the VF or AF. But I'm definitely tempted to buy one plated shoe within the next few months, whether ZF6, VF3, or EP4. Thanks. Good video as always.
Then i would recommend the ZF6 to start. It’s going to offer you a lot of performance, good durability and not feel TOO foreign when compared to a daily trainer. it’s a good tool to learn how to run in a plated shoe. Especially if you plan on eventually buying a Vaporfly or Alphafly. The “feel” will make sense for you. The EP4 would be my second option, but it’s a bit more extreme of a proper supershoe.
I was torn between getting this and the Peg Plus for my speed runs... but I've been leaning more towards this after watching several reviews. How do you think they compare, if at all?
I'll have a video breaking all of this down in a little under 2 weeks. So much to get out before then. It will me a "Nike Tempo Shoes" explainer and rotation builder video. Stay tuned.
It's much stiffer with a much more aggressive geometry than the ES4. So yes, less forgiving...but that is what you want in a tempo shoe, they are built for speed. This is a prime difference between a super trainer (ES4) and a tempo trainer (ZF6). Super trainers often have geometries that work for more general running and while they can be fast they are not optimized for speed...rather they are optimized for forward propulsion in a broader range of speeds.
Nope, it should do well. It has decent medial midfoot structure and a medial heel flare to help catch the foot. Unless your pronation is severe you should be ok. The plate and foams in the midsole will work for you.
Hello, I’ve been watching your channel for a couple of weeks now and am really enjoying your content. I had a question I think you’d be able to answer. I’m looking for a non-plated shoe for short to mid intervals that I can ramp up the pace in. It doesn’t have to be nike but I know the streak-fly is a great option. Thank you.
If you like lower stack shoes… the Nike Pegasus Plus… if you want more cushion check out the Asics Novablast 5. Two of the best non-plated trainers, they can pick up speed, that you can buy right now.
Interessting, with that video Im sure that I will not get the ZF6 I hoped it to be a "do it all good" Shoe, a supertrainer. The decision is for sure better for Nike. But tempotrainers I have already way too many The problem with daily trainers is: They are all so insanely boring, at least the most of them. I hate "work horses" generic shoes that work but give me nothing (hello Ghost, Adrenaline~)
@@philipppuchner1115 I sell them like candys so I cant look at certain brooks shoes anymore. Do have the Novablast 3 and the Superblast 2. Nobablast 3 is... okay. Superblast 2 is amazing
@@philipppuchner1115 I tried or have them all cuz of work. Well not the Novablast 5 tho. I do have the NB3 which is... okay. The Superblast 2 is far better in my opinion but to use that as a full dedicated daily trainer is.. odd. You can for sure.
@@Chungdol92 I first got the NB4 TR, then later a brandnew pair of NB2 ofr a superb price 2nd hand - i hat to try it. Then the NB3. I didn't like the NB3 at all. NB2 better, NB4 TR WAY better (and stable - my gait is perfectly neutral), so i sold the (bought slightly used) NB3 after 1 run. NB5 is ordered, so i cannot say. Hope it is not too soft for me. If you don't want or need a plate: have you tried Noosa Tri 14-16? 14 is the same as Evoride 3, just different upper. 15 feels better and better rubber+grip, 16 is the first which got FFBlast+ instead of the old, dead feeling FF of the Noosa 14+15 - first Noosa with a bit of bounce :) Noosas are light and heavy rockered, so also suitible for speed and even races, if one would want to. I mean, it is designed for TriAthlons, so... the second paitr of bunge cord laces came in the package just up to #14 - #15 and #16 you have to get them seperately. But ok if it keeps the price down and you just want a runnig shoe and don#t care about Triathlons :)
Depends...the V17 is a great cushioned cruiser so if that is what you needed then you have the right shoe. I found it able to pick up paces but it wasn't great at it. The ZF6 is a shoe to pair with the V17 for faster running though. Not a replacement for it. Though the V18 will be out in about 2 months...
Love your content Chris and I know you’re working with Nike now but let’s be a little more realistic. Nike used their cheapest foam as the carrier in this shoe for profit; not because it was the best foam for the job. Even if it is the best foam for the job, I can almost promise you, a company like Nike did not have this in mind.
Pinning this comment for all of those wondering about the below:
You know, I originally thought the SR-02 was due to cost issues only. However, now that I've run in this shoe I don't that is the reason. No doubt it helped keep the cost down and more ZoomX could be added or better upper materials, but that wasn't the only reason in my mind.
SR-02 has always been more airy and softer. It is one of the reasons it feels so generically soft under foot. The Nike Joyride is a prime example of this feel. Outside of the TPE beads, the midsole felt way too soft an unstructured due to the use of SR-02 foam. That being said, SR-02 is VERY durable and abrasion resistant (for a foam).
Ironically though, it pairs well with ZoomX, as they both have a similar airy feel to them, though the SR-02 lacks all of the resilience of ZoomX. When you sandwich them together though, with a carbon fiber plate structuring them both, you get a great ride. Soft under foot, taking the edge off the ZoomX and making a lightweight midsole... three things the ZF6 needed.
Cushlon, since it derives from Phylon, is a much denser material. In the Vomero 17, with the lack of a plate, it worked as the carrier and structure for the softer ZoomX. This worked until it didn't and then the ZoomX would just spill over the dense Cushlon foam as they fatigued due to wear. The V17 also had a bottom heavy feel to it due to the density of the Cushlon. If you stuck a plate in there it would of been very harsh and not the ride we got in the ZF6 at all.
Using ReactX would have made the shoe WAY too bouncy for what I think the design brief was. It would have felt like a heavier Alphafly with the level of bounce it had. Not a bad thing, but that shoe doesn't need to exist given the VF and AF already do.
The ReactX + ZoomX combo makes more sense in the Vomero 18 and the ride characteristic that shoe is going for.
Though...watch the space of the Peg Premium and what I mentioned as another (evolving) tempo trainer...with ReactX + ZoomX + Air Zoom...
I'm REALLY not glossing over this because of Nike or me collaborating with them. I spent alot of time working through this, thinking through it and comparing to other foams and shoes in my archive...
(I'll have a video going into all of this in the coming weeks).
@@SagasuRunning Wow, great inside! As a bit of a hardware nerd, I'm looking forward to this video! :)
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So, why don’t put ZoomX + ZoomX, then?
Because of the price, no?
Same with the laces.
The only purpose of this shoe is cost (for Nike and the consumer) and perhaps a preview of the next generation vaporfly4 design wise.
Probably the most comfortable, but light and still fast, shoes I've worn, and great value for money. Shoe of the year for me
Definitely a comfortable shoe for its intended purpose. I found it surprising capable for a week of running… but would never recommend it as a daily.
Agree, I also think you'd be wasting it as a daily trainer. Wouldn't suggest any plated shoe for that purpose really
Love my zoomfly 6. Plush shoe. I question why I got nimbus too. This shoes comfort is brilliant for easy and tempo pace. I sent
Boston 12 back. Far too hard.
Zoom fly6 is great
@@SagasuRunning There were dedicated tempo training shoes, they were the old Nike Tempo of the 2000's that the Zoom fly the profile look is based on and a few Lunerlon models in the early 2010's. Brooks had a model that was a Tempo model, or a model suited bast for tempo speed. Socony had the Kinvara for this exact reason even though most elites also used a fresher pair for race day once the racing flat for road races was no longer in the lineup. Even ASICS had the DS Trainer once the model went back to its roots of a lighter trainer for the tempo slot even though outside of Asia, everyone also an ASICS only runner used in the DS Trainer or the Nosia tri flat once the DS Racer was limited to Asian markets only, if the runner had not been able to stock up on the DS racer model like I had.
Thank you for your intelligent, thoughtful, and *sane* analysis of what this shoe is and what Nike's design intent was with it. There is not enough of this sort of content in the running media.
There is a ShoeTuber I follow who in his review of the Adizero Evo SL said it was a very good uptempo shoe but not a very good everyday trainer, and got a lot of blowback for this take.
Thank you for that… I also fully agree. A big reason why I started this channel in the first place. 💪🏻
Definitely Yowana
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If there's one thing that I can learn from watching running shoe reviews on TH-cam, is that we should take opinion from reviewers with a grain of salt, unless we have the first hand experience of using and running in them ourselves, because different people have different running mechanics and styles. Some just prefer coffee while others prefer tea.
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Cancelled my Adios pro 4 booking and took this ZF6 instead. As a closer to 5H marathoner, I never regret that decision. Much more comfortable but the bounce is there! So fun to run in.
ya, the added comfort durability of the ZF6 will work out well for a marathon in that time range. Good call.
You made the right choice man
💪🏼 love the visuals and the history of the shoe. Sagasu at his finest. Can’t wait to take it on my long run Sunday, progressive down to HM pace with a lot in that steady zone.
It’s going to be great for that… also as a stand in for the AF3… it really should suit you better.
@@SagasuRunning Love that Nike made the shoe so some slower/semi elite who might not be able to afford a $250+ good model of super shoe or could only get some Chinese made models that might be borderline within the rules can use a shoe like this for race day should the semi elite runner be running in smaller/less elite events that require World Athletics rules.
Big kudos for the entry disclaimer of “the elephant in the room”! It’s great to see when experts also admit to making mistakes in assumptions, but also inspiring in life in general. So thanks for that mate! 🙏
That said, you are really for me one of the best “shoetubers” out there, with the level og details and perspectives that help me in so many ways. You have always been a praiser of the Pegasus, and now I see even better why (the peg) it’s the best general running shoe from Nike, because of its simplistic “no BS” simple shoe for easy running. Where with this, the ZF6, it’s as you say “75-80% of the AF3”, and that makes sense for the budget racer or more durable tempo shoe. What I’m saying is just that you make it so visible what the different levels of pace demands from the shoe. The bigger the pace, the bigger the forces in the shoe, and therefore it needs more race tech like super foams, geometry and plates. But as you say, you wouldn’t recommend that for the daily miles of running. The shoe should fit the purpose always. 🤙
Again thanks for fantastic content! It’s really really appreciative! And I feel you help me increase my interest in running and help me develop in this hobby as well. I’m definitely going to consider the shoe, but in general I just appreciate you help so much in visualizing what is needed for me as a runner! 🙏👟 So really thanks for everything you do here! 🥳🙌
This fall I had a run where I suddenly just ran with higher cadence AND lower puls, which for me is weird, cause my pulse normally always increases when I try to go for higher cadences. Not sure if you have some advice for this, but I would be highly appreciative if you knew TH-camrs that had the same level of nerdiness in running technique and how to become better in all the human-side of running. 🙏 Feel free to reach out if you have personal advice you feel like sharing.
I'm happy to read this. I'm glad my content matters and is useful.
I'm ALL about "simple" shoes and their benefits. Once in a while though a shoe like the ZF6 is a good option. I'll still prefer a "simple" shoe paired with a "super shoe", for most things...but the ZF6 is very capable.
The only person I follow on TH-cam for technique and training advice is Eric Orton (BornToRunCoach on YT). Endless videos on mechanics, cadence, training ranges, etc. I literally don't follow anyone else who talks about this. I've been a fan of Eric's approach to running since my barefoot days and the book "Born to Run" (Eric is the "coach" in that book).
It definitely is, Sagasu! 🙏
I follow you on the sppriciation in simple shoes. Your ethos also highlights that shoes might “just be outsole, midsole and an upper”, but as I’ve learned from you, it’s way more than that to make a great product. Glad there is still a space for ZF6 and more technical shoes like AF3. I love my AF3 (have two pairs), so I think the ZF6 would be a win for me also.
Oh great! Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll definitely check him out! 🙌👟🏃 Thanks again!
I’m so glad you gave it the SR thumbs up. I remember you being hesitant about trying these since it kind of lost its way in some previous versions. Now it’s part of your arsenal. Thanks for taking a chance and reviewing these. I love them.
It is definitely back on track to what a Zoom Fly was… in fact I’d say it’s the most usable one yet. Very well done overall.
Totally agree here . Great shoe, that rides somewhere between the Vaporfly and Alphafly for me, but doesn't have the aggressiveness and can be used a bit better for some slower running as well. Done everything in it from Moderate Runs all the way to some 200s(I think).
Yup, yup. Agree. I did some road 400s in these and they did well, surprisingly so (the Peg Plus has been my go-to for those). Didn't get to 200s though, I save those for the track now. This is a very capable shoe for sure.
Thank you for covering this shoe! When you first put out you were not going to cover it, I was disappointed as I had just picked up a pair after initial reception was good. I have been returning to running after dealing with my first shin splints injury in the summer, now preparing for a May Marathon. As a physio myself, I've been really trying to improve running form, training plans, cadence, foot strike, etc... This shoe has aided me in my transition from an overstriding heelstriker to a more appropriate cadenced midfoot to forefoot striker. I feel like it is going to prepare me well for when/if I invest in a pair of Alphafly 3's for race day!
Ya, if there is a shoe that is going to put you up on your toes and reward that foot stike it is definitely the ZF6 (and classically always a ZF1-4). A great training tool for quick feet and picking up cadence as well. Your transition to AF3s will feel very natural when you get there.
A phenomenal shoe. Works over a variety of paces so well.
Agree. 🤙🏻
I’ve been waiting for your thoughts on the ZoomFly 6. Here we go!
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Loved the opening bumper music. Drum and bass everything!
Yup… (some of) my old tastes, back in the 90s, show through.
Still have the original zoom fly, helped me transition from always being injured to avoiding injury because of the shift. One of my favorite shoes ever. Zoom fly 3 vaporfly 1 was the best mix for me. Tempo alphaflys also worked !
The original 2017 Zoom Fly? Or the Zoom Fly 3?
@ ZF was my first, liked the 2s but wrecked them and then went to the 3s which i think had the better blend of foam (for the time). Glad that the 6 is back to its roots, going to make it easier for me to not run thru super shoes during training blocks!!
I see. 👍🏻
I don’t usually pay much heed to your Nike reviews but in this case I may give this shoe a chance. I liked the early versions of the Zoom Fly and it sounds like this could fit into my rotation.
I'm glad it got your attention. I wouldn't say this is clone of earlier Zoom Flys as far as the ride directly, it has some of the characteristics as I said and is reminiscent...but it's definitely pushed the platform into modern materials and modern performance. A very good update.
Happy new year Chris! Great start of the year video and great first with Nike provided shoes!
Onward to 2025… glad to get it kicked off finally. 🤙🏻
Great review! I am really loving these shoes. They do indeed seem to reward a clean forefoot strike. Though, I was surprised how comfortable they felt when I intentionally landed on my heel. They still felt comfortable at slower paces, but they really seem to beg you to speed up.
I was also surprised how well they worked for heel striking. The inset heel isn't as extreme feeling as the AF3. Quite comfortable and supportive for heel striking. Though yes, up on your toes is what the shoe REALLY wants.
What I find interesting is that when a new tempo trainer is released, it is invariably compared to the Boston 12, which has been out for 1-1/2 years. Just an observation. Happy New Year, Chris. 🎉 🥳
Damn you’re right! Shows how great of a shoe adidas made!
@prwnrdy Indeed. I just hope Adidas doesn't compromise the legacy of the B12 when they release the B13 later this year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I noticed DOR jsut published that video. I'll be doing a ZF6 vs B13 later this year.
I will say I prefer the ZF6 over the B12. I found the ZF6 having more range and usability overall. The B12 was good, but has no relevance to the 2025 Adidas range. However, if you are sticking to racing in the AP3 for 2025, the B12 has it's place, where it always has been.
From what we have seen...similar DNA, dual foam setup...what is unknown is what foams...specifically which formula of LSP, classic of new.... that will determine it's relevance...especially with the Evo SL in the marketplace.
Older Boston models pre super foam, Kinvara, and the old ASICS DS trainer were what an old Tempo shoe was like, similar the Nike Tempo in the 2000's and some years of the 2000's Pegasus before the standard Pegasus went to being a daily trainer. The old Tempo to some speedwork day shoes were closer to a race day flat but not quite that and could work for some lighter runners who did not need a more beefy toe bumper as by the early 2010's these older style Tempo models had almost no toe bumper with some having no toe bumper.
Thanks for the impressions
Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
In regards to weight, the distribution of weight is a major factor in terms of feel. Just like a sports car distribution of weight in the front and rear for traction.
Totally agree, which is why I pointed it out. A valid criticism of the older Zoom Flys was their balance, bottom heaviness and swing weight. All of that has been addressed and well resolved in the ZF6. Great engineering.
It actually feels similar to the Alphafly 3 (IMPO). Not as light and different foam than the Alphafly 3, but the same design and feeling underfoot when you roll through your stride. This shoe is absolutely amazing. I think Nike realized how bad to mediocre the first five versions were, that they really went the extra mile (no pun intended) to make this 6th version that much better.
I guess it depends on your preference between the VF and AF. I feel the VF roll and the AF bounce underfoot. I agree the ride, it is rather amazing.
I bought a pair with the Ekiden colourway over the holidays. Can't wait to try it out!
Do you actually like the colorway?
I can see why people might find it cringe, but I actually don't mind it! Besides, it was the only colourway with my sizing left😂
The color way is an iconic Nike running color way as well.
Ya, definitely not my favorite color way either... but sometimes you gotta get what is there.
@@JosephFernandez-f7f Same here, only color I could find right now. So I am torn between waiting for others to be available or buy it now …
great review
Thank you. 🙏🏻
Zoom Fly 3 was one of the most favorite trainer / racer hybrids, let alone the stability and durability issue they were fast and snappy. Wore the ZF5 for just 60KM and they were a total mess. Want to try ZF6 but I got the Evo SL already, unless there's deep discount offering.
ZF6 is a return to form, if not better than the ZF3. Different shoe than the Evo SL for sure.
The nice thing is this Nike Zoom Fly at 40 mm foam in the heel the shoe is still legal for people to run races in, a nice bonus for semi elite who could win some smaller/less fast participant races that do require the proper shoe height or a runner who does not like the soft feel of the true super shoes.
It's RIGHT on the edge though, but yes it is in the spec size.
The heel height is over 40mm, so it is not legal for races
Morning the spec size world athletics measures from. Not that it really matters as no elite or pro will ever race in these.
Happy New Year! Bon année !
Happy happy to you and yours as well. 🎉
I don’t need any shoes currently but if I did, I actually would seriously consider buying these. Seems like it would be a great shoe to use for most Parkruns
It would be. Especially parkrun courses that are on mixed surfaces in wet conditions. This shoe has more grip than many super shoes.
As a HUGE Tempo Next% fan, if I could talk to Nike and tell them how to use their recent tech to build a Tempo Next% V2 it would involve taking the new Air Zoom unit from the Peg Premium, cutting it down to only cover the mid/forefoot as a single unit. Put a full layer of ZoomX above a nylon or similar stiffness plate as the ZF V6, and throw in a ReactX/SRO2 heel section below the plate. Ensure the midsole and outsole protect the Air Zoom unit from below. Keep the foam in the heel solid, unlike the AF V3. And I'd trust them to get the upper right, since besides the VF V3, they have done well with the uppers recently. If they can get the weight at 2-2.5 ounces heavier than the AF V3, it would be perfect.
I'm still on the fence for trying the ZF V6, only because I have multiple working pairs of Tempo Next%s and a pair of Superblast V2, plus other serviceable uptempo/threshold shoes.
Great analysis, as always.
I still miss the Tempo very much, too. Most aggressive shoe I've ever worn.
I have a feeling you are going to see a version of the shoe you described in the coming years. I'm looking forward to testing the Peg Premium so I can validate my thinking here. The ZF6 really sets a clear direction for what Nike is trying to do with their Tempo shoes.
I'll have a video on all of this once I can spend some time in the Peg Premium.
The ZF6 isn't the Tempo, so if you have multiple pairs of them stick to them. If you ever see the ZF6 on sale I'd pick it up and try it. It might surprise you, like it did me.
Watching different "shoetubers" I've always wondered (and would like to hear your thoughts on this, please) how much the state of your legs (fresh, tired, battered, etc.) affects your perceptions and reviews and how you manage to isolate or ignore, if you will, that state from your opinions of the shoes. Thank you.
Very good question 🤔
OH! OHHHHHH! You are one step ahead of me here. I have a video in the works on this subject that I'm calling "Legsavingness". Both on the importance of "recovery" in foams but also how they add up over daily use. I don't have this one scheduled as of yet, it's still early in planning...but it should be out in the next 2-3 months.
TL;DR...in my new testing protocol for these initial reviews I am running in the shoe back-to-back-to-back... days to both fatigue the foam AND see how well my legs respond to it over the testing period. It doesn't fully cover it, as I'm not doing any 2 hour+ long runs (though I do include a 90min long run in testing), but it gives me a good idea.
Agree.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you for your detailed answer. I look forward to that video. Thank you so much as well for the insightful, knowledgeable contents on your channel. All the best!
I got these early in uk pre release. Best nike shoe in years imo. Step in comfort is top tier. Lock down is very personal but I don't like the runners knot on these so run without top loop. Running wise I like them from steady pace up to tempo. OK for short sprints but longer fast intervals I prefer other shoes (I usually use a race shoe like Adidas pro 3) they run quite flat with a late rocker so less toe off effect. I alternate these with the prime x v2 which I prefer for longer runs and use zoomfly 6 for shorter runs.
But so far no regrets buying in to nike again and years away from the brand.
I feel like the spoon in the plate if forward more than the Vaporfly. That gives it that "late stage rocker" feel I think. The geometry of the midsole tooling is fairly early, especially compared to the Adios pro 3, but it doesn't run like that. So it has to be the plate geometry doing it. I do get a strong pop off of the toe... but that is the "Nike feel" I mentioned, which is still present.
I am rehabbing from a torn meniscus so all of my runs are easy. I wear this shoe for all the runs because it is so cushioned. Haven’t found any better.
The plate probably helps with support and stability. That being said Od look for a non plated shoe to transition too as you heel. Something to add, in addition, to the ZF6…. To work and rebuild all the muscles in your lower leg that the plate doesn’t allow to work.
Adidas supernova rise might work for you
Although carbon played zoomfly 6 is comfy it reduces the engagement of ankle muscle
You need those muscles to support your daily life
Agree. Specially Id look at the Supernova Solution.
Looking for my size to drop here in Canada. They have the one with the ‘fire’ but no thanks 😂. Great review. Happy New Year and all the best for ‘25. Cheers from Calgary.
The "fire" is an iconic Nike color way, but ya...I agree, no thanks. I'm seeing all sorts of new color ways leaking of this shoe so I'd expect some new ones popping up soon.
First run I had with these shoes was an easy 16km session to breaknit in. For a heavier set guy like me this could be used as a long run shoe.
Definitely a good shoe for heavier runners. The plate will stabilize the entire platform and you won't crush the foam as fast as a super shoe.
Sagasu coming through 💪🏼
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I loved these for easy running, but that is because of the fact that I actually do need a shoe that is very stiff. Have some issues with my left foot currently when running in something like the adizero sl2, or other very flexible shoes. The pain was quite unbearable when running in those, compared to almost not even feeling it in the zoom fly 6. They are perfect in my case
Ya, stiff shoes have their benefits for certain foot issues. I have issues with my big toe joints (Hallux Limitus) and when they really flare up I do need a stiff shoe to run in (unless I'm resting them all together). However, it is best to do some rehab flexibility and strength work addressing the issues in your feet and be able to work in none plates/stiff shoes slowly into your running.
Really enjoyed the content and just came across your TH-cam channel, as I am currently looking to start running more in the New Year. I currently play a lot of basketball, lift and ride the bike a lot but always struggled with running. I’m a big sneaker head and actually really liked the EK color-way and decided to get a pair of these, but since Im not a super experienced runner I’m wondering if I made a mistake. Do you think I can still make good use of this shoe as a beginner runner?
If you pair them with a daily trainer, you'll be fine. Check on this video for the importance of running shoe rotations, from a new running on up. it will also help you learn about the different types of shoes. th-cam.com/video/5z4cY1deQqY/w-d-xo.html
Right now I've trying to find the shoes perform for " Speed Rolling running style" (not Speed for sprint), because I have adjust my running stance by utilizing haunch. I think ZoomFly 6 is close to my requirement. Thank you for your nicely reviews. Happy new 2025. 🎆
The Saucony Endoprhin Pro 4 may be an option too because of their “speedroll” geometry and the stiffness of the platform.
12:04 - think this is the same approach as Superblast where you have the inverted dual density setup with the more resilient part closer to the foot but without the plate
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I'll have a "vs" video comparing these two shoes... I'll get into it there.
The sr02 Foam was used in the Structure 23 ? Loved that model
I believe it is the same, or some noname variant of it.
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I was hoping you would do a performance matrix with this one vs other Nike running shoes. Now I am confused between this one EVO SL and Boston 13 if there will ever be one next year. I have five pairs of tempo shoes already. I can't say I am 100% satisfied with all of them. They do the job very well. Maybe I am expecting too much from a tempo shoe. They aren't supershoes after all. I hope you will compare this one with some of your other favorite tempo shoes including Pegasus Plus Boston 12 Evo SL and Speed 4. (With performance matrix please :)
I have one "vs" video planned (ZF6 vs SB2) initially and I have a "Nike Tempo Shoes" video coming in about 2 weeks that will get into rotation building. Over 2025 I will continue to do "vs" between the ZF6 and appropriate tempo shoes, like the Boston 13. The biggest issue there is that I don't run a lot in this style shoe so I won't be covering all the "popular" models, only the ones i find interesting.
Does “big” rocks stick into the hole under the midfoot ? Ps. A really detailed video as usual. I didn’t like the v5 when I tried it in the store, but this one sounds good.
I haven't had that happen, then again I'm not running on big rocks. 🤷🏼♂️
Another thing I noticed it doesn't do, that the cutout on the ZF5 would do, is suction to the road, especially in the wet. I've gotten none of that either.
Finally...Legggo!!!
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Great review. As a lover of the B12 do I buy another pair, try this or wait for the B13?! 🤣
The ZF6 is a better shoe than the B12 (which is an old shoe at this point) and more versatile. The B13 is a bit of an unknown...what we have seen in leaks shoes a shoe not much changed in geometry from the B12, still a dual foam setup, but the unknown is what two foams...
@ thanks for the reply. I have a friend who has the ZF6 and raves about it. Might have to give it a try 👍🏻
Finally! Would you plan to compare it with the Evo SL at some point?
I'm not sure...I need to get the Evo SL first and spend some time in it. I see them as different use cases...but maybe once I run in both that will change.
Which super trainer do you think is best for my first marathon with a target time of around 4 hours? But the most important thing for me is to reach the finish line safely. I was thinking about Endorphin Speed 4, Super Blast 2 or the Zoom Fly 6?
A long run shoe with the least amount of fuss, or possibilities to mess anything up when on feet for 3+ hours and does not bottom out.
The Superblast OG has better foot hugging for me, the SB2 feels loose. I really have to lace it up carefully to have a good feeling in those + more sink into the foam with my 92kg.
My Superblast 1 have just 5k on them and feel less compressive but bounce!
So, for me in my current state and the current state of the SB1+2 I would take the Superblast 1 for anything longer than 10K atm.
But i am fat and untrained atm, so I wouldn't finish a Half Marathon continueously running up to 2 hours.😅
Endorphin Pro 4 or the Zoom Fly 6. Forget about the ES4 and you for a 4 hr marathon you'll appreciate a carbon fiber plate in that last 10k. If youw ere going for a 5 hour+ marathon, or just running it to run it, the SB2 would be the better option.
Help me understand why someone needs a special shoe to run at threshold pace or below, isnt that just more daily training? Is it for getting used to plates for race day, or can this be used as a race shoe for those of us not wanting to spend $300
I'll have a video building some rotations around this shoe and Nike's other tempo options in the next 2 weeks and will get into the "why" in depth. The short answer is it is about min/maxing. do you "need" it, nope...does it help to optimize training (and recovery), yes.
How does this compare with Nike Streakfly? The first video you did your shoes video review on? 😊
It doesn't, like, at all. Totally different shoe, generation of shoe and technology.
Pegasus line seems to confuse people due to lifestyle friendly design. I was always wondering why does regular Pegasus has a narrow toe box which I was struggling with. I have watched a review of new Pegasus Premium where there were complaints that heel sole area was too narrow which resulted in unstable ride when you can twist your ankle. Pegasus Plus is also a narrow shoe which feels better when you go with bigger size. Generally Pegasus line is presented as a daily trainer but I had started to think that by design Nike makes this line for tempo running. Pegasus Premium indicates as a high stack shoe with narrow heel sole ( weird combination for an easy runner) that it is a performance shoe which is not good for casual easy running. I don’t think that for easy running you need to make narrow shoes.
The Pegasus has never been a "lifestyle" shoe. It's always been the foundation of Nike Running, as a all-round daily trainer that is a bit more focused on responsiveness. It happens to be designed to work for any runner doing any task, which is why it's become so versatile.
With the Plus and Premium tiers Nike now has two literal performance levels they can push the base Pegasus. I'm looking forward to testing the Peg Premium, for sure.
@ Despite having average feet I’ve been confused with regular Pegasus due to narrow toe box in my size. I went half a size up and the shoe looked too long on my feet. Weird. The same story with Nike React Miler. I went half a size up and a shoe fits well but looks too long. This shouldn’t happen with a daily trainer which aims at easy runners. I see now that Nike with narrow design imitates speedier shoes. Nike Pegasus Premium will get a reputation of a weird shoe in my opinion which doesnt work properly. And the reason is the same. With narrower heel sole they ruined this high stack shoe.
@@proudbacteria1373 The base Peg does come in a “wide” version. Performance shoes always are meant to have more race like fits so they will always be narrower and never have a “wide” option…
I currently have the zegama (for trail), vaporfly (racing 5-10k) and infinity rn4 for daily-long runs.
As a replacement for the infinity’s would u recommend the pegasus plus or the zoom fly 6? I plan to do a marathon in 3 months in 3:30h but I won’t plan to do it with the vaporfly as I only use them in faster paces; so I’m thinking that I could buy either zoom fly or peg plus for training and racing the marathon. What are your thoughts? Ty :)
Buying both could be an option too (train on peg and race on zoom fly)?
This is what I’d recommend. The ZF6 is the training and racing option for the marathon…but you need a non-plated shoe for easy running… the PP is that choice from your list. Though the upcoming Vomero 18 may be the better option give you seem to like higher stack shoes.
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@@SagasuRunning thanku very much for your recommendation. I appreciate the efforts you make in your detailed analysis and reviews that help all the runners out there:)
I’m glad it helps! Thank you for the support.
I've been looking at these, would love to try it on before buying. Your (EK) colorway is nice! But my size is now out of stock on the Nike site.
My use case would be the cheap/entry level race shoe while doubling as a tempo trainer maybe a few sessions per month. If I do short walking bits during a session, would this actually be better than the Alphafly/Vaporfly? Or roughly equivalent? I'm a midfoot striker though probably shift back a bit toward the heel on easy runs.
This seems like a winner for sure. I'm just not sure I run enough for all the shoes I've already picked up in 2024. But I guess it's not 2024 anymore! 😂
Do you currently own the VF3 and/or AF3? have you ever run in them before?
@SagasuRunning I don't own either and haven't even tried them on in a store. I will probably try one or both at least to get an idea of the upper fit and to figure out what size in case of any nice online deals.
At this point, either would be more of a "want" than a "need!" And as far as super shoes go, I suspect the Endorphin Pro 4 might be more compatible with my running than either the VF or AF. But I'm definitely tempted to buy one plated shoe within the next few months, whether ZF6, VF3, or EP4. Thanks. Good video as always.
Then i would recommend the ZF6 to start. It’s going to offer you a lot of performance, good durability and not feel TOO foreign when compared to a daily trainer. it’s a good tool to learn how to run in a plated shoe. Especially if you plan on eventually buying a Vaporfly or Alphafly. The “feel” will make sense for you.
The EP4 would be my second option, but it’s a bit more extreme of a proper supershoe.
I was torn between getting this and the Peg Plus for my speed runs... but I've been leaning more towards this after watching several reviews. How do you think they compare, if at all?
I'll have a video talking about Nike's tempo options, how they compare and rotation building, in about 2 weeks. I'll get into it all. Stay tuned.
How does this shoe fits in a training rotation? Specifically I wonder how much of an overlap it has with the peg plus
I'll have a video breaking all of this down in a little under 2 weeks. So much to get out before then. It will me a "Nike Tempo Shoes" explainer and rotation builder video. Stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunning Can´t wait! Happy new year!
Happy 2025!
Is this a shoe you would keep on running in post review?
Definitely… it’s one I’ll spend alot of road KMs in this winter…
Got this to replace my endorphin speed 4s, but seems like its less forgiving / for faster workouts than speed 4s?
It's much stiffer with a much more aggressive geometry than the ES4. So yes, less forgiving...but that is what you want in a tempo shoe, they are built for speed.
This is a prime difference between a super trainer (ES4) and a tempo trainer (ZF6). Super trainers often have geometries that work for more general running and while they can be fast they are not optimized for speed...rather they are optimized for forward propulsion in a broader range of speeds.
Will this shoe be a problem if you over pronate? Eg like Adidas pro4?
Thanks
Nope, it should do well. It has decent medial midfoot structure and a medial heel flare to help catch the foot. Unless your pronation is severe you should be ok. The plate and foams in the midsole will work for you.
Did you test this on a track at all?
4 laps, two of them at 1k pace, then I left the track...not the shoe I would ever bring to the track. Much better options from Nike for that.
@SagasuRunning pegs and streakflys? (Ignoring spikes here)
Nike Rival Fly 4, Nike Peg Plus and Nike Peg 41 all better track options form the swoosh….
I use as a daily trainer
You really shoe pair it with something non plated. You feet will thank you.
Hello, I’ve been watching your channel for a couple of weeks now and am really enjoying your content. I had a question I think you’d be able to answer. I’m looking for a non-plated shoe for short to mid intervals that I can ramp up the pace in. It doesn’t have to be nike but I know the streak-fly is a great option. Thank you.
If you like lower stack shoes… the Nike Pegasus Plus… if you want more cushion check out the Asics Novablast 5. Two of the best non-plated trainers, they can pick up speed, that you can buy right now.
@ Okay thank you.
Interessting, with that video Im sure that I will not get the ZF6
I hoped it to be a "do it all good" Shoe, a supertrainer. The decision is for sure better for Nike. But tempotrainers I have already way too many
The problem with daily trainers is: They are all so insanely boring, at least the most of them.
I hate "work horses" generic shoes that work but give me nothing (hello Ghost, Adrenaline~)
Ghost Max is way better than regular Ghost. Puma Velocity Nitro 3 is also very very good (but not exciting).
Have you tried the Novablast 5?
@@philipppuchner1115 I sell them like candys so I cant look at certain brooks shoes anymore.
Do have the Novablast 3 and the Superblast 2. Nobablast 3 is... okay. Superblast 2 is amazing
@@philipppuchner1115 I tried or have them all cuz of work.
Well not the Novablast 5 tho. I do have the NB3 which is... okay. The Superblast 2 is far better in my opinion but to use that as a full dedicated daily trainer is.. odd. You can for sure.
@@Chungdol92 I first got the NB4 TR, then later a brandnew pair of NB2 ofr a superb price 2nd hand - i hat to try it. Then the NB3. I didn't like the NB3 at all. NB2 better, NB4 TR WAY better (and stable - my gait is perfectly neutral), so i sold the (bought slightly used) NB3 after 1 run.
NB5 is ordered, so i cannot say. Hope it is not too soft for me.
If you don't want or need a plate: have you tried Noosa Tri 14-16? 14 is the same as Evoride 3, just different upper. 15 feels better and better rubber+grip, 16 is the first which got FFBlast+ instead of the old, dead feeling FF of the Noosa 14+15 - first Noosa with a bit of bounce :)
Noosas are light and heavy rockered, so also suitible for speed and even races, if one would want to. I mean, it is designed for TriAthlons, so... the second paitr of bunge cord laces came in the package just up to #14 - #15 and #16 you have to get them seperately. But ok if it keeps the price down and you just want a runnig shoe and don#t care about Triathlons :)
I LOVE a good work horse daily trainer...the more "boring" the better for me.
But yes, you likely have a TON of other options over this shoe.
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Yeah...the video is out... Time to save up
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@@SagasuRunning I have the Zoom Fly 3. Love it. Has it super glued twice and still using it occasionally with caution 🤣
I spent so much time in the ZF3, back in the day, it was a great one.
I just order vomero 17 on sale for 120 euros, I think I should have bOught these shoes instead
Depends...the V17 is a great cushioned cruiser so if that is what you needed then you have the right shoe. I found it able to pick up paces but it wasn't great at it. The ZF6 is a shoe to pair with the V17 for faster running though. Not a replacement for it.
Though the V18 will be out in about 2 months...