Two Step CHEATER CODE For Backing Vocals | Marc Daniel Nelson
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In this episode of MakeMineMusic, Marc Daniel Nelson shows a trick he came across by
accident many years ago that became a major influence to how he processes backing
vocals. In this two step cocktail, there are simple yet effective moves with two separate
plugins that enhance background vocals in a major way and put them right in the sweet
spot for the listener.
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Marc Daniel Nelson is a Grammy and French Academy Award nominated mixing engineer, music producer and creative director. He has been mixing, producing and managing creative content for over 20 years.
His Music Credits include Fleetwood Mac, Joni Mitchell, Colbie Caillat, Jason Mraz, Need to Breathe, Eric Burdon / Ben Harper, John Fogerty, Robert Duvall, Ozomatli, Reik and more. As Protégé for both legendary producer / engineer Bill Schnee and Ken Caillat, Marc has carried the torch for impeccable quality sound and production.
His film credits include Solo, Blade Runner 2049, The Vietnam War, Mulan, The Expanse, Wild Horses, Point Break, No Manches Frida, Fractured, Amanda, Father Figures, Ya, Ty, Vin, Vona and more.
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What are your favourite plugins for mixing vocals?
Boz Digital Labs +10db compressor is step 1 for getting my vocals pinned in place.
Quick question for you, Warren: Any updates on the prizes for the Feb 2023 Rate My Mix mix competition? I got 3rd place (you called my mix "dangerous") and the guy that was corresponding on it said "you'll hear from me this weekend" on May 1. Since then silence. Any updates?
A parallel MicroPitchSlap from the H3000 by Eventide allows me to musically thicken vocals. I adjust the tuning so it isn’t drastic (5-10 up and down) and decrease the delay slap to well under Haas (10-20ms) so the slap is unnoticeable…
Eq of choice is Cubase's stock Eq Frequency. It allows you to sidechain Frequencies out of the way of each other as well as being a dynamic eq. Then the lead vocal goes to my outboard gear, BLA Bluey Compressor into a BLA Seventeen compressor. They do something magical to a vocal. Then into a send chain of reverbs and delays.
Apogee’s EQP-1A emulation and Oeksound Soothe 2 for sure!
Not something a Pro would use but I really like the Chris Lord Alge plugin from Waves. Quick, easy and great sounding for a base line. Also use H Delay on two sends - one set to a regular delay, the other with a faster setting and pingpong.
Marc is such a class act. Thanks as always for featuring him!
Our pleasure!
I never miss a video from Marc. Always offers such great examples of his workflow.
Great to hear!
It's cool that you admit you discovered this by accident. It's actually quite similar to how the "Dolby A vocal trick" works - dynamically enhancing the top end to increase separation from the tape hiss.
There are no mistakes, only happy accidents. 😊
:)
Just wondering what the benefit of using an expander for the top-end is over just boosting those frequencies?
Love Marc's videos, I watch everyone! Marc always has such great in depth detailed explanation for what is doing, one of my favorite mixers, and I love all of the music he works on. Thanks PLP for putting the out!
Funny you mention hearing “whispering” on certain vocal tracks. A friend of mine who’s done a lot of recording with some of the biggest names in blue grass, said they would sometimes actually record a track of whispered vocals to give the harmonies air. Great video.
i double track whispers a lot and hard pan them under the lead vox - can be a nightmare on the sibilance but if you produce it right it's really cool.
I started doing this a while back after I realised that's how Jim Morrison did the lead vocal on Riders on the Storm
A whispering take and a shouting take.
Thanks for a very interesting video and for your generosity by sharing this trick! However I’m not quite sure I got the whole trick? You’re saying that the MJUC compressor on the BGV bus is controlling some of the pokey parts on the bgv and that it is side chained, but from which signal? Is it from the lead vocal to make sure that the compressor creates room for the LV, by ducking the bgv, or is the side chain signal coming from the dry bgv signal, but only the part of the signal above 400 Hz will trigger the compressor to react? Thanks!
Combining this with whispering tracks might be a great combo
I'm doing a COVER rn and using this technique. I'm also looking for that SOUND :) Thx Marc
Lovely video Marc with great tips. Thanks very much for sharing your knowledge. Big thanks to the PLAP team
Dan is the man- bought all of his courses. Elegant dude- he has a fabulous attention to detail and the headspace he taps into while he is mixing is really that of an artist at work. Lovely
Thanks so much! Yes, his courses on Pro Mix Academy are incredible
When a mistake or accident becomes the biggest thing:
In my circle, we call it the "Ooops... F***...WOAH!!! Factor".
hahaha! Indeed
You're reading my mind Marc, this is perfect time for a song I'm finishing recording and mixing. Thank you....
Great! Enjoy implementing the tip!
What a GREAT WAY TO START THE DAY!
Thank you Marc, thank you Warren.
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching!
WOWW! That is exactly that airy pop sound! Definitely will be trying this out on bgv's, thank you Marc!
I'm flabbergasted. It is night and day and yet there is so little move. Amazing.
Great stuff Marc. I make it a point to listen when you speak. Thank you sir!
I love the reverse Jumper - mirroring the reverse expansion trick in fashion. MDN is just the most interesting Mixing Artist I know.
great trick thanks Marc
Thanks for watching!
another good advice video share with Marc Daniel Nelson, highly respect his wisdom and experience, thank you to this channel for providing videos with Marc Daniel Nelson (this is the sole reason I subscribe to this channel)
Our pleasure! Be sure to join the Academy for exclusive Academy content and live streams with Marc each month too!
it's so fun watching someone else getting as excited as I do about these "aha" moments. Still learning, still loving it and still studying to be a "listener" and not just a visual mixer.
Brilliant! as usual
BUT
I dont get why the MJ is sidechained at such a low freq ie 400?
EDIT: My mistake...after all the HF...the 400 is just the HP filter for the internal sidechain...quick look at the manual MJ
Thanks, Mark. Very timely. Very timely.
Lovely guy. He has really transformed the way I mix my own music, especially - to work the plugins with more subtlety but in more steps, to enhance the final product in a more calibrated tasteful way. Thanks Marc!
On Vocals I like to EQ it early with a UAD hitsville EQ or similar because it's non sergical and sounds great for just balencing it first. sometimes that fixes 70% of bandwidth problems if I went in with a surgical Pro Q3 and started making cuts and things mearly on, I find oftern I inadvetantly damage the natural timbre of vocal takes. thats my tip..don't jump in and start agressivly fixing things, sure you may get rid of unwanted frequenceys but you can very quickly kill the sound. also Marcs jumper seems to be inside out.
Wow. Thank you for this video and technique. I always wondered how people made the BGs tucked back but still being present.
It is kind of contra intuitive for me though :-)
Great Stuff Marc! Your videos are always inspiring
Glad you like them!
short but to the point
Beautiful, subtle, genius. Marc, you are an inspiration, thanks man.
Hi, i loved the video. Could you tell us where is a good place to HIpass the background vocals? like 250hz would be good?
Marc, you're very talented and seem like one heck of a good guy, but no amount of work on this plastic, vanilla drivel of a song will restore my will to live. I'm concentrating hard to drop my razor blade. Wait, King Crimson video on the horizon. All good, now.
Thanks for the tips!
truly amazing and inspiring work.
Thank you so much 😀
Really cool
Thanks for watching :)
What I wouldn’t give to be able to be Marc’s assistant for a year. Masterclass perhaps???
Still can’t get a grasp on sidechain and bus.Shed any light on it for me?Need to step my mixing game up.
This shows how important that the tracking is done to a high standard. Don't think you can fix badly recorded tracks & get it sounding like Marc.
Brilliant
Love it! Great approach. Will be implementing this :)
Wow what an amazing track and sound! Thank you Marc for your time and energy showing the real magic of music engineering.
Nice. How were you EQing the vocal’s reverb?
Great trick Marc! Thanks so much for sharing.
Glad you liked it!
Wow what a wonderful video ,thanks for the trick 😊
Great information... please make mixing on pop lead vocals
Very Nice
Every single time, a practical, relatively easy to understand trick to get more from your mix. I'm so impressed with MDN.
Thank you, again.
I love the humbleness to admit "this was an accident that works". Can't wait for the next tip. 🦄
Thanks for sharing!
Love it! Thanks Marc :)
Thanks for watching!
Great tip, and what an amazing song!!!!!! Great mix!
Excellent, MDN. Already checked it out on one of my mixes. Yep; it works. Thank you!
Great to hear! Save that preset! ha!
Love These Videos!
Thanks ever so much
Jumper is inside out Marc
:))
Sheesh, this is awesome!
Indeed! Thanks for watching!
Super wicked 😀
Very!
Wow! Everything sounds amazing. Congrats! 💙
Thanks ever so much!
Thanks Marc! 😊
Juggler! I steal this! Thy Sir.
🔥🔥🔥
Thank you Marc 👍
This is why I love this man!! Thanks for another banger!!
Glad you enjoy it!
I’m confused. Is this expansion or upward compression of the high end. I have always not been sure which one Pro-MB is doing?
his charisma is coming out from my monitor.
Hi, is Marc a son of Jude Law? 🤔
Sei un king marc, grande grande grande
You're a gold mine sir, no BS with you, just pure love of teaching and sharing, because you know that your experience and behaviour will always get you the gigs first anyway. Pure class, thank you!
more Marc Daniel Nelson videos please!
More coming! But be sure to check out the PLAP Academy too where we have exclusive content from Marc (including live streams with the community) each month :) Marc will live stream today!
@@Producelikeapro Warren and Eric! you are amazing guys, thanks for this channel and Academy, but i have no free time to listen your live streams and others, because of my job, time zone difference and family :D but when i have some time to breathe, i always watch your small videos, reviews and other great youtuber`s content, so thanks again for your work and dedication to music!
great tips! thank you very much sir! ;-)
Our pleasure!
Marc's likely forgotten more about mixing than I know. Truly inspiring. Thank you sir.
Is your sweater inside out?
Yes! Always tried to get that whispery background vocal sound and this looks like a great way to nail that. Absolutely gonna try it out, thank you Marc!
Thanks Mark and Warren. I am very grateful that they share different techniques and tricks with us to continue growing. Big hugs to all!
This works like magic. Thank you so much!
Glad it helps.
Oh that is wonderful! Thankyou so much.
fire
MDN fantastic as always!
Absolutely!
Pretty cool
Thanks so much Marc to reveal and share your great approach in music
Marc Daniel Nelson is a genius !!!
He is rather wonderful!
Marc is a musical treasure and should be protected at all cost
That expander is effectively acting as a wide eq boost with a very basic envelope controlling it... I cannot think of any reason that would work any better than just a conventional eq. If the band had a narrower q I could see the point, but as is I think this is very close to snake oil territory...
Not correct. At all. It sounds nothing like boosting the top band of an eq.
@@marcdanielnelson317 what I wrote is technically correct, if you're hearing something else it is some sort of bias, or possibly the attack and release time (but I doubt the envelope would make any major difference). If the whole idea is that you're using the attack and release to shape the vocals you should have probably explained how you did that.
@@marcdanielnelson317 another thing it could potentially be you're hearing is the "smearing" at the ends of the curve, but that is usually not a thing people like, and again something you should have explained. As is, this "trick" is just too random to be used as a general thing.
Because its now time domain and the highest freq transients are proportionally louder so the tone memory of the brain 'sees' it differently. It is nothing like a static boost...its not the transmitter, its the receiver ;-)
@@iam-music did you miss the "envelope" part of my reply?
Aren't choruses supposed to be catchy?
great first impression of Marc