If it happens after you hit a pothole check the pre-load on the swivels. If that is to low you can have death wobble. Other possibilities are the obvious loose parts, play in ball joints etc...
Death wobble on my defender was caused by the Panhard rod bolts coming loose. Tried changing tyres around first thinking maybe a wobbly wheel was throwing it off which helped but wobble was still there around 40mph. Couldn’t find anything loose apart from managing to get the Panhard rod bolts half a turn tighter and this fixed it.
Death wobble can come from many issues, even a small one. With our mud tires on, no more steering wobble at all. Our winter tires were very old and used. It was scary!
Death wobble is often due to something worn - wheel bearings (to much play) track rod ends - worn, panhard bushes - worn or the swivel balls need resetting - too loose. Finding out what is the cause is the main part of the task - could be all of them to a limited degree.
Bonjour. Je n'ai pas de leçon à donner vu quelques grosses conneries que j'ai faites depuis plus de 40 ans que je conduis mes land rover. Néanmoins je suis surpris pour ce qui etait dévissé. Pourquoi ?. Une autre chose que je véririerais c'est la précontrainte des roullements des axes de fusées. Cela en ce qui me concerne beaucoup éliminé des vibrations. Bonne route en land.
Les vibrations extrêmes ont effectivement dévissé un endroit qui en general est très difficile à dévisser, mais les rotules de direction ont été remplacées très récemment et n était donc pas du tout grippees comme à leur habitude.
two things I haven't seen you do in the previous videos might help center the steering wheel look in the workshop manual and bleed the hydraulics maybe air in the system look in the workshop manual and maybe play in the steering pump you can do that too adjust but beware if you adjust that too much it can block it is actually for professionals
I've had it a few years ago on a Discovery after I've bent the track rod on a tree stump. Unfortunately after I've had the steering aligned it only went away when I replaced the front tires. Driving a couple of meters with both wheels pointing inwards killed the tires.
Thanks for sharing this experience. We didn't bend anything but our used winter tires are the bad boys. It confirms tires can play a major role in creating issues
That's not great but at least your husband knows the car inside out and has the skills to fix it 👍. Hopefully its all sorted. If its any consolation, I have a new Defender, its 8 weeks old and has severe transmission vibration! 😣
Yes luckily he knows well the car and is able to get us out of many bad situation. Oh no for your new Defender, hope it's being managed properly by the local dealer
Sorry to hear about your scary adventure! As a Jeep owner, this is something I've also experienced before and it's scary (and a bit embarrassing) every time. Death wobble is generally something that solid axle vehicles experience. They're caused by worn or loose components (joints) and triggered by one of the wheels hitting a bump on the road or an unbalanced tire. Once you've experienced a full on DW like you did, it's possible that some of the other steering components are also damaged. I would definitely inspect all the joints as soon as you can. The joints on the parts I would check are: Tie Rod, Track Bar, Drag Link and your Steering Stabilizer. To check them, start the vehicle and have someone turn the steering wheel from side to side, put a hand on each joint and feel for movement. If any of the them feel loose, they need to be replaced--don't wait as DW will quickly worsen over time. Additionally, I would check the ball joints. You can do that by jacking one corner of the vehicle up, stick a big pry bar below the tire and pry up. Separately, grab the tire by hand and rock it. If you can see/feel any movement on the ball joints, they need to be replaced. Finally, if everything is tight and you're still getting wobbles, I would check each of the bolt holes to make sure they're not wallowed out by the previous death wobbles. Hope this helps. Good luck!
Glad it turned out ok. There are many entries regarding the death wobble on the forums. Hope you find the cause of it. Your suspension with the B51 is amazing so I hope it gets sorted out.
normally when a defender does this the Front Panhard bushing is worn out (normally on axle side, remove Panhard and inspect the bushing). Other causes, Loose wheel nuts, or the stub axle nut(s) are loose, these you test by jacking the from up and seeing if there is play in the wheel. .The steering Rod, and drag link between the wheels will come loose and is normally a result of one of the above not usually the cause.
As others have said worn ball joints, bushes, swivels. I had issues balancing my tyres until I filled them with dyna beads and with this and new ball joints and bushes haven't had issue of DW since.
i once had a steering wheel wobble with my hilux while driving down a mountain in greece. turned out some nuts of the right front wheel had loosened... 😅 but it never came back, so yours probably won't be as easy to fix as that... 🙈
Hi, One of you has to sit behind the wheel and the other has to go under the car. Turn the steering wheel several times to the left and to the right in quick jerks. Then you will see that you have a bad steering seal. I had it too. But that's a job for two people.
Je vais montrer cette vidéo à mon amie pour lui montrer qu'il est possible de faire un super jus de légumes et d'être élégante en overlanding. "C'est quoi le plan? Yes" :))
@@offtrackfamily Hi replacing the tires does not totally fix the issue , that will be a short term bandage , please have your front end checked at a certified front end shop
Sure your comment wasn't meant to be mean... because I cannot see how you could judge so easily someone when very little of his life is shared via the internet and adding up you don't even know that someone in real life. Happy new year to you too!
@@offtrackfamily definitly, didn t want to offense or be mean, just saying it was good too see him laughing and making fun while we very often see him super serious in you videos. See U !
Vérifier le Silentbloc de la barre panhard, le jeu au pivots de moyeu, jeu aux roulements de roues puis l’équilibrage des roues. Un ensemble de jeux peut provoquer cela et surtout le Silentbloc de la barre panhard,
By no Means am I a mechanic but I must ask a very dumb question. Could it be weight distribution of cargo such as the new batteries etc in the Land Rover. I mean like twisting the body or frame to where it is staring other components of the vehicle. Take it easy on me with the backlash please.
We were concerned regarding the weight of our electrical setup on one side. This is also one of the reasons why we changed sides the awning and maxtrax holder/table, the long-range fuel tank also helps balance a little that weight. In any case, don't feel this is the issue because it didn't occur when we had our new mud tires on even though we drove many times on the highway with this new setup.
Nous n'avons pas encore remplacé nos vieux pneus d'hiver, ce sera pour l'hiver prochain en raison du prix. Mais après un check et un bon serrage, nous pensons qu'il s'agit bien des pneus usés qui ont causés ce death wobble.
If it happens after you hit a pothole check the pre-load on the swivels. If that is to low you can have death wobble. Other possibilities are the obvious loose parts, play in ball joints etc...
This time the cause was our old and used winter tires but will need to check everything properly
Death wobble on my defender was caused by the Panhard rod bolts coming loose. Tried changing tyres around first thinking maybe a wobbly wheel was throwing it off which helped but wobble was still there around 40mph. Couldn’t find anything loose apart from managing to get the Panhard rod bolts half a turn tighter and this fixed it.
Death wobble can come from many issues, even a small one. With our mud tires on, no more steering wobble at all. Our winter tires were very old and used. It was scary!
Death wobble is often due to something worn - wheel bearings (to much play) track rod ends - worn, panhard bushes - worn or the swivel balls need resetting - too loose. Finding out what is the cause is the main part of the task - could be all of them to a limited degree.
This time for us it seems to be worn out winter tires
Bonjour. Je n'ai pas de leçon à donner vu quelques grosses conneries que j'ai faites depuis plus de 40 ans que je conduis mes land rover. Néanmoins je suis surpris pour ce qui etait dévissé.
Pourquoi ?. Une autre chose que je véririerais c'est la précontrainte des roullements des axes de fusées. Cela en ce qui me concerne beaucoup éliminé des vibrations. Bonne route en land.
Les vibrations extrêmes ont effectivement dévissé un endroit qui en general est très difficile à dévisser, mais les rotules de direction ont été remplacées très récemment et n était donc pas du tout grippees comme à leur habitude.
two things I haven't seen you do in the previous videos might help center the steering wheel look in the workshop manual and bleed the hydraulics maybe air in the system look in the workshop manual and maybe play in the steering pump you can do that too adjust but beware if you adjust that too much it can block it is actually for professionals
Thanks for sharing this! Will check it out
I've had it a few years ago on a Discovery after I've bent the track rod on a tree stump. Unfortunately after I've had the steering aligned it only went away when I replaced the front tires. Driving a couple of meters with both wheels pointing inwards killed the tires.
Thanks for sharing this experience. We didn't bend anything but our used winter tires are the bad boys. It confirms tires can play a major role in creating issues
That's not great but at least your husband knows the car inside out and has the skills to fix it 👍. Hopefully its all sorted. If its any consolation, I have a new Defender, its 8 weeks old and has severe transmission vibration! 😣
Yes luckily he knows well the car and is able to get us out of many bad situation. Oh no for your new Defender, hope it's being managed properly by the local dealer
Sorry to hear about your scary adventure! As a Jeep owner, this is something I've also experienced before and it's scary (and a bit embarrassing) every time. Death wobble is generally something that solid axle vehicles experience. They're caused by worn or loose components (joints) and triggered by one of the wheels hitting a bump on the road or an unbalanced tire. Once you've experienced a full on DW like you did, it's possible that some of the other steering components are also damaged. I would definitely inspect all the joints as soon as you can. The joints on the parts I would check are: Tie Rod, Track Bar, Drag Link and your Steering Stabilizer. To check them, start the vehicle and have someone turn the steering wheel from side to side, put a hand on each joint and feel for movement. If any of the them feel loose, they need to be replaced--don't wait as DW will quickly worsen over time. Additionally, I would check the ball joints. You can do that by jacking one corner of the vehicle up, stick a big pry bar below the tire and pry up. Separately, grab the tire by hand and rock it. If you can see/feel any movement on the ball joints, they need to be replaced. Finally, if everything is tight and you're still getting wobbles, I would check each of the bolt holes to make sure they're not wallowed out by the previous death wobbles. Hope this helps. Good luck!
Thanks for sharing all this! Will need to go through everything for an in depth check even if we now know it's our old winter tires the cause
Excellent advice you know your stuff 👍
Do what Ryan said 👍
Glad it turned out ok. There are many entries regarding the death wobble on the forums. Hope you find the cause of it. Your suspension with the B51 is amazing so I hope it gets sorted out.
Yes a lot to find about this issue and how to fix it, we even made a video ;) love this suspension, cannot be happier with this upgrade!
Recently had the wobble due to improperly tightened new steering damper.
So many different possibilities
normally when a defender does this the Front Panhard bushing is worn out (normally on axle side, remove Panhard and inspect the bushing). Other causes, Loose wheel nuts, or the stub axle nut(s) are loose, these you test by jacking the from up and seeing if there is play in the wheel. .The steering Rod, and drag link between the wheels will come loose and is normally a result of one of the above not usually the cause.
Thanks for sharing this. Will need to do a full check up but we're now confident it was only due to our worn out winter tires.
I've had this on a Range rover and defender and it was the steering damper on both occasions that was the problem. Hope this helps.
Thanks for sharing this!
As others have said worn ball joints, bushes, swivels. I had issues balancing my tyres until I filled them with dyna beads and with this and new ball joints and bushes haven't had issue of DW since.
Yes many things can cause dw and regarding what happened and our journey back home, our used winter tires made it.
i once had a steering wheel wobble with my hilux while driving down a mountain in greece. turned out some nuts of the right front wheel had loosened... 😅
but it never came back, so yours probably won't be as easy to fix as that... 🙈
Lucky you were able to point out quickly the issue. We have also quickly pointed out the issue: our old winter tires
Hi,
One of you has to sit behind the wheel and the other has to go under the car. Turn the steering wheel several times to the left and to the right in quick jerks. Then you will see that you have a bad steering seal. I had it too. But that's a job for two people.
Yes it's something we can do during a more intense check 👍
Je vais montrer cette vidéo à mon amie pour lui montrer qu'il est possible de faire un super jus de légumes et d'être élégante en overlanding. "C'est quoi le plan? Yes" :))
Haha merci 😄
Big tires Big problems , inner bearing tie rod ends could be out by 1 mm
In our case it's our small old winter tires the cause
@@offtrackfamily Hi replacing the tires does not totally fix the issue , that will be a short term bandage , please have your front end checked at a certified front end shop
Happy to see your husband making jokes, He is usually so ... not funny !
Whats he is name ?
Are you closed to Vesenaz ?
Happy New year !
Sure your comment wasn't meant to be mean... because I cannot see how you could judge so easily someone when very little of his life is shared via the internet and adding up you don't even know that someone in real life. Happy new year to you too!
@@offtrackfamily definitly, didn t want to offense or be mean, just saying it was good too see him laughing and making fun while we very often see him super serious in you videos.
See U !
And yes of course, I don t know him, I can just see him in the videos, again, apology for the misunderstanding.
No worries 👍
It's very unusual to see you without glasses
Yes indeed;)
Happened to me last week. Steering box bolts came loose
Glad you found quickly the problem
What ET rims do you run? With that lift and weight I think 0 ET would be the least you'd want to run.
With winter tires we have ET +10 rims.
Vérifier le Silentbloc de la barre panhard, le jeu au pivots de moyeu, jeu aux roulements de roues puis l’équilibrage des roues.
Un ensemble de jeux peut provoquer cela et surtout le Silentbloc de la barre panhard,
Il y a effectivement bcp de point à vérifier mais dans notre cas ce sont nos vieux pneus d hiver en cause.
By no Means am I a mechanic but I must ask a very dumb question. Could it be weight distribution of cargo such as the new batteries etc in the Land Rover. I mean like twisting the body or frame to where it is staring other components of the vehicle. Take it easy on me with the backlash please.
*Straining other components
We were concerned regarding the weight of our electrical setup on one side. This is also one of the reasons why we changed sides the awning and maxtrax holder/table, the long-range fuel tank also helps balance a little that weight. In any case, don't feel this is the issue because it didn't occur when we had our new mud tires on even though we drove many times on the highway with this new setup.
hello hello, tout d abord merci pour vos video; si je comprends bien, retour a la normal apres avoir changé les pneus?
Nous n'avons pas encore remplacé nos vieux pneus d'hiver, ce sera pour l'hiver prochain en raison du prix. Mais après un check et un bon serrage, nous pensons qu'il s'agit bien des pneus usés qui ont causés ce death wobble.
Pliz.,check king pins bearing may be worn.
Old winter tires seem to be the cause
Can you please give us the name of the gloves or a link. Thank you
Haha sure: Hestra windstopper pull over mitt
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I would suggest to put on new tyres, re-aligne the vehicle and fix the rims with a correctly set torque-wrench. Good luck!
Great suggestion! Because we now know we really need to replace those used winter tires