This is crazy. I have been watching every technique and speed training video on TH-cam to increase my speed and therefore my distance. I don't know why but for some reason listening to Bryson repeat "It's like I pull it down harder" somehow sank in and caused me to really do it during my swing. I am a 5'2" woman and a 12 handicap but never been a long-hitter. Measuring with a Trackman, I have always hit my 8 iron around 110 yards, but today I have hit it over and over at 125 mph. My 6 hybrid that I normally hit 130 yards was up to consistently around 145 yards. Thank you for leading this journey of improvement. Love your channel and love learning from your amazing and talented guests. Thank you Brendan.
Judy, you want to build up the muscles and speed to give you a faster swing? Start doing kettlebell swings and watch your speed pick up, it's all about your hip speed along with your upper body/arms speed and kettlebell swings will do that for you. Just make sure you are doing them correctly otherwise you might hurt your back.
@@wally6193 how is a kettle bell swing working the upper body golf muscles? No rotation, posterior chain only and mostly lower body driven plus the movement is too slow. Ok for stabilization I suppose. You heard what he said-lat strength plus speed is the key along with fast rotation. So weighted pulldowns plus weighted rotations at high speed.
@@FitFast8 swings are a hip trust movement, what do you do in your swing? Swings also work the upper body and the legs. But hey, think what you will. And there is no such thing as "golf muscles", lol, crazy. You want a balanced body as in your muscles need to be balanced. Doing just lats isn't going to do it or just just one of whatever exercise isn't going to do it. But hey go for it if you think it will help.
I have watched many videos where the golf 'coach' says the speed comes from the legs and hips and I have always thought that was just nonsense as surely the legs and hips only facilitate/allow the arms and shoulders to move as fast as possible. In this video Dr Luczak has confirmed exactly that and therefore is the best video I have ever seen on creating club speed. Thank you.
Yes a fast backswing is key to a full and wide backswing, however, there needs to be a short pause at the top. Otherwise, the change of direction will cause a substantial increase in grip pressure. Watch Kyle Berkshire carefully. You will see the pause.
Brandon. Hi! Thanks for this video. I watched other videos from Bryson. Before talking about pulling arms down he mentions that he tries to feel de club high and really behind him. I tried it and I feel that only by pulling down as hard as I can from that position, everything else seems to work automagically, without thinking about it. Awesome.
I watch these guys both every single day....Kyle is a master of using his full transition from the top to create his power....if we all did what he does at transition with what you have right now....you’d add 20 yards to every iron.....he uses his transition to really generate a violent strike.
Louis Oosthuizen (112mph like he's not even trying, it's so smooth and easy): "I try to throw the club through the ball down the fairway". Lee Trevino (and Colin Montgomery): "I try to back hand every shot with my left hand." Ernie Els: "I try to pull on the downswing and throw on the follow-through."
After watching this video and a couple by Bryson and Kyle Berkshire, I did a couple of speed sessions in my golf room....and Tony is right, by focusing on pulled down my arms faster I was able to increase my 6 iron speed from 91 mph to 98, 99, 101 in a single session all by myself and my accuracy was excellent! It is the key I’ve been looking for! I’ve worked my tail off trying to increase club head speed and nothing has been this effective in jumping such speeds. I was previously lucky to bump 3 mph. I’m both relieved and psyched to know that at 57, I can increase my swing speed and know where it’s coming from and why!
Sergio's dad told him to pull the chain from the top. Very similar to what Bryson is doing except on another level. What you really are trying to accomplish is to slot the club. I don't think about my lower body or legs or hips as some teachers try base their teaching on. I just try and pull the handle down towards the front of my right hip while still being closed off to the target. You still need to take momentum through the ball so it's not over once you hit the ball. The momentum of your arms and stabilizing force of your lower body will take care of the rotational aspect needed. Just my 2 cents.
Sergio's dad also set up a rubber strap over a door, and had Sergio pull down on it repeatedly as a drill. It shows, Sergio has the most obvious pulling down motion. Which, btw, produces very good accuracy in woods and irons.
He is doing a single plane swing now. His hands were lower before creating two planes now he's holds them straight out and keeps his feet planted on ground longer keeping him stable for power.
Truly enjoyed the video! Amazing how many aspects of this is like Moe Norman's swing, yet with so much more aggression. I was wondering when someone would take Moe's swing and add some serious muscle power to it. Bryson has certainly done that. I would be concerned at some point Bryson may have physical issues sort of along the thoughts that Toni mentioned, but hopefully that won't happen because they can be detrimental.
Just an excellent eye opening video which refutes a lot of other theories that other instructors out there are teaching. For example, there are instructors saying to slow down your arms and rotate from the top. Also, I think you two guys really complement each other in getting your message across.
@@BEBETTERGOLFHonoured to have a reply, thanks so much and keep up the good work. I guess so about the drop. He was self taught, and like Hogan, just loved the range. Wasn't Trevino a big fan of Moe Norman's ball striking?
One of??? No...the best...lee Trevino, ben hogan, tiger woods and many more all said it...altho I think ben hogan was being modest as hes just as good if not better
Pull down to vertical drop then with pressure on the fingers of the right hand create a slight horizontal plane like an underhanded toss. Point the handle to the ball and pull through the ball to stay on plane. Then rotate shoulders with hands completion at the left ear!!!
If you can stop a player at the top of his backswing, and he can still finish his swing after a pause. His takeaway form doesn’t matter, only the top position, which is aided by the motion used to achieve that position. I do like the concept that pulling the club down and then reacting with the ground after that
Saw a video saying, and proved it with numbers, that a faster backswing will give you more club head speed because of the force required to make the transition. You'll start from the top faster because you'll be counter-acting the speed/force during the change in direction.
Tony is truly doing the most important work in golf instruction imo. Unbluring the lines between perception and reality and developing proper intentions. Golfers innately try and be in real time with their motion and don't understand there is a massive, what I call phase shift, between real time and perception / intention. Good teachers in effect "trick" players to beat the phase shift. Tony is finally proving the phase shift by good physiological and brain data. It's very exciting.
Tony is doing nothing more than following his swing thoughts back from the 1980s at MSU. I was there, I know Tonys swing and it was certaintly a arm driven swing back then. If you watch the video of bryson it certiantly wasnt his "pull down of the arms " that got him into that position. "Feel vs. Real".
I might be wrong but, the more I learn from different sources, the more I think people screw this up because they here 'pulling' and immediately think of how you'd pull other things which are similar weight to a golf club. Obviously the club gets way 'heavier' during the swing and so you need to move in a way that allows you to move something equivalent to that larger weight, and more importantly how you would pull that weight fast (lats/back/abs). If you told someone to ring a huge church bell they wouldn't suddenly move arms or the bell wouldn't move (even if that was where they'd placed their awareness solely). They'd jump up and grab the rope and as weight and muscles began to start pulling the bell down they'd naturally gradually increase as fast as their personal physical ability allows. In this way I think feeling 'pull' or conversely 'leaving hands up' are both correct for different people. You couldn't start the bell with just your arms no matter how much you feel it maybe as a larger/stronger bell ringer, who is in fact probably using more arms. A smaller guy might have to use more of a gradual pause as his weight started to pull the bell rope before pulling the arms as hard as possible. Something that people don't often talk about is that golfers are different sizes. In any other sport people use different parts of their body depending on their individual size, strengths and limitations. Obviously all shapes and sizes can train more of what they don't naturally have but they are going to prioritise what works best for their physicality.
Very interesting insight into how to generate clubhead speed, but the wrist action was barely mentioned. Could Dr T and you discuss the timing of the uncocking of the wrists, as Milo Lines advocates late release, and Steve Pratt advocates early release. Is it possible to prove scientifically who is correct?
Good job covering the arms but Bryson also talked about his body pulling back away from the ball. I struggle with early extension so I would like to hear more about the mechanics of pulling back and away.
For good players, it sounds like the shaft is too steep on the downswing and your early extending naturally to shallow it. Hard to change at full speed
You've got to turn the hips through the centre of your pelvis and turn them *away from the target*. Early extension comes from the hips moving forwards and towards the target too early and too much. Pros do bump towards the target but in reality it's for a tiny amount of time. This 'bump your hips' tip gets repeated for amateurs and leads to a big slide before the turn. You're better off thinking of transferring weight on to your left foot before you reach the top of your backswing and letting the hips turn. It's like throwing a ball or hitting a baseball. Body rotates, arms catch up after. This video (despite his changes) still shows Bryson has massive hip speed and clearing them really early to allow his hands and arms to come through.
@@2risquejunior538 shallowing the club imo is a function of a weight shift into the left foot/side. This delays the hands and arms moving first and allows the hips to turn hard left, creating space for the arms to pull down and come through. Even in Bryson's swing you can see the blend between the top of the backswing and the start of the downswing. Too many amateurs see the swing as two distinct movements, when they're not. Just my opinion :)
Kyle Berkshire - PLDA world champion- has a really good take on the long ball and it’s mechanics. I’d fully recommend anyone interested in hitting further to check out his channel.
How much tension does he have in his shoulders? When I try to keep my arms extended like him my shoulders are shaking. How hard is it to get the club back square? No wonder my left hip joint is hurting. Swinging so hard it is torqueing my hip joint.
Capturing the arms with your pivot is something Tony Luzak hasn't figured out yet, as demonstrated by his attempt to do so and spin out of the shot. There's more than one way to do it. In comparison to Bryson D, Cameron Champ looks like he's doing it effortlessly. The entire system works together to create torque then release it. There's more than one way to do it.
If Luczak is telling the truth im so far far ahead in research it would blow their mind. I hit the ball real far so i was able to use my swing to figure out what is going on. Iv carried my 5 iron 260 yds before at 149 lbs. I have crazy stories. I felt like i had no limits. Iv cracked a lot of driver heads. For about 10 or 15 years i messed with my swing to figure out what i was doing that made it go ridiculously far. i found them. Its the holy grail.
God bless Bryson, he's entertaining as well; but in no freaking way am I ever going to swing like that. I played with the Ventura City senior champ about two years ago, and he was showing off how he can hit his driver from his knees almost 250 yds. So, obviously you can create a lot of speed with your upper body, but that much effort would lead to injuries to most normal humans--I'm guessing. I don't know that, it just looks that way. I'm glad Bryson is doing this for himself and for us though....it is really fun to watch him on tv--and I think he's winning because of his short game which doesn't get any attention.
Actually using your upper body for power instead of twisting you hips hard is easier on your back. Work on speed using your arms and wrists and give your back a break.
When he says he feels like he’s pulling down from the top, does he mean with the hands, arms, the lats? And I wonder if it’s more the left side or equilateral?
@@BEBETTERGOLF I just don't know, I watched Bryson doing twists in a gym machine, I assume he's doing it for his core but I will also assume it is not good for your spine in the long run. Let's see how he is doing a few years from now. There are better(or should I say safer) ways to build your core muscles.
@@BEBETTERGOLF Well he has already done that part I guess, $$. I'm sure he will win a few more before his body breaks down as he is still young so his body can withstand some more bad form in the gym for a few more years. But packing on that many pounds and going at it as hard as he does can/will take a toll. But hey I wish him all the best in his career. Look what happened to Koepka, his injuries are from over doing it in the gym. No doubt same with DJ when he had a few body injuries not long ago.
Feel vs. Reel..............I pull down with my hands....................check out in the vid what makes his Feel vs. real happen. At left arm paralell in the downswing his hips are at already at the address position or a little open. Pullling down , did not create that position. bye the way, I went to MSU when Tony was there back in late 80s, I know him and I remember his swing. Look at @6:23 closely.
100% this. There are thousands of golf instructional videos online with different feels intended on getting players into the same-ish spots. I'm fairly certain Monte said something similar on this channel at one point. If I recall correctly, he said all of his videos cover the same 5 topics; they are just different ways of saying the same thing (or something along those lines). Find which feel works for you and ignore the rest (video recording helps tremendously with this). If feeling like you're pulling with your hands gets you in the proper spot, feel like you pull with your hands. If feeling like you're leaving your hands high gets you in the proper spot, feel like you leave your hands high. There's no one size fits all. Eric Congorno is big on using exaggerated feels and video feedback to get players in the right spots. The video feedback is a big, big part of it. I'd love to see him make an appearance on this channel at some point.
@godsdozer watching BC at 6:23 and attempting to emulate square to open-squared hips at left arm parallel on the way down...After repeated attempts, 2 things occur when I get closest to those positions: a very aggressive takeaway, and a very deliberate/aggressive left heel stomp at transition.
Hey - A little secret here- Sam Snead said: "I feel the Lats pulling", in a segment on the golf channel YEARS ago with Jim McCLean. I have been using it for years and at 56 I have 117 MPH club head speed. There is nothing new folks-
I was just going to post about this too -- and then McLean literally -- on screen! -- tries to CHANGE what Sam just said in real time -- sometimes teachers just get in the way. Listen to what the great PLAYERS say they do (if you can)
That's right, you don't want to pull the arm down, but using the lat twist and rotate to pull the arms down in position you can throw the club thru the ball to the target.
Can you point me to where you hesrd that or more info that I could read up on...I swing about 115, but in only 22 and I'm 6'4, theres gotta be some speed still on the table
What about "footwork" though? Classic golf term. I started out with none while trying to "control" my swing. Recently have started feeling lots more footwork (Zen Golf Mech.) and having success?
Pulling down the downswing is a power move in itself. You don't need to bulk up like Bryson. Just swing down with the arms. And the faster you can swing the farther you can hit the ball.
Watch carefully. He uses EVERYTHING! When the torso is wound 90 degrees or more, the turning of the hips towards the target initiates the fore swing. This move further puts stretch to the lats giving them more wind and thus more ability and distance to contract.
Yeah, 191 ball speed at 5'4" and straight. Best driver I've ever seen. Hope he doesn't tinker too much chasing more distance. Needs a better a game from 125 and in. It's funny how you are usually one or the other - a good driver or a good iron player. It's rare to be both for whatever reason.
@@philipchan1856 Sorry. I probably mistyped. No way he's 5'9" like his bio says but the point is he's definitely not tall but generates a ton of speed.
Id love to meet Bryson if he is really into science or mechanics. Iv found MASSIVE secrets to the swing. Iv cracked the code. I dont want to really give any hints. There are optical and sensory illusions in the swing that blind the entire golf world. The more the swing is slowed down and studied the MORE illusion it adds. I found a way to break free from this.
i think its different feels for different players but Bryson and Kyle they both have really good sequencing in their swing that they feel like they just pull down ... if a novice did that i would imagine they will just hit the ball fat with a really steep angle of attack
Always thought you were a bit random, but started taking you seriously, after your work with milo lines, this is a great video, also liked your video regarding speed force ratios 👍💰
It's clearly still a one plane swing. Sets up on the impact plane. He's has a wider stance and more wrist hinge than he used to. Actually closer to Moe Norman than he was before
No, he's not close at all to Moe Norman, and not "single plane". Bryson just holds his hands high at address, which gives the illusion of single plane.
He just goes a little above the swing plane at the top and then gets right back on it. Am I to believe without that he could not create that amount of speed. Seems like luzack is justifying his own swing ideas here
I think getting swingspeed from your lats/torso will be a quite "delicate" situation. first of all it will never be as sustainable as golfers who use their legs as the main source of energy, meaning he will get shorter as he ages faster than lower body hitters. also i think it might put strain on his body that could quickly lead to bigger issues. I love him and i find him super fascinating, but i think his "premise" is not quite correct. the god-tier short gamer will always win over the "bomber". we saw this again at the open, where cam smith won using wedges and the putter. also a nice example is Kyle Berkshire himself. he hits bombs like no one else and he is even a good player. his short game is decent, he has good aim and all. but still its not enough to sit at the big-boys table, of whom some drive it a fraction of his distance only. so for better golf its surely best to practice everything fro, 0-180 yards. that also causes less injury and you can keep having fun until old age...
Study how the Posterior/Anterior Oblique Systems (aka Slings) work in the body if you truly want to understand how power is generated and you will quickly understand why Bryson's "feel" of "pulling" with the lats and upper body is not the full story. The lower body is HIGHLY involved in the equation. It doesn't just "react". He wouldn't hit a ball very far sitting on bar stool. Largest muscles in the body are not the lats. It's The gluteus maximus. Bryson is using his gluts like crazy. Better phraseology would be to say he is using his slings like crazy. That involves upper, lower body and core. It's just common sense for max distance. You can't compare what Louis Ooshuizen says cause he's not going for max distance. He is using a compromise swing cause he needs accuracy also. Best Long drive competitor that I've seen talk about the "slings" is Dan McIntosh.
I think the big secret for Bryson is his address with the upright hands and arms away from the body. It is almost like it activates his bigger muscles.
@@arjanpetersen the swing can be hard enough on the back for some as it is. Now mix in trying to swing like Bryson. Not all that play this game are that athletic. Just a thought
@@bdyt You are quite correct, this is for young, supple, gym-trained folk who can afford the surgery they will need in their 30s, 40s. Spinning your shoulders fast through impact increases speed but puts the back and legs under huge strain on the follow through.
From Bryson's interview it seems that his swing thought is Involving the upper body, but clearly if you are swinging the club at 135 miles an hour, the entire body needs to be involved. If we watch the video, he has a huge amount of lower body, ground force, involved. On BBG we have learned from Monte that some people have the upper body react to the lower body movement and some are vice versa. Monte thinks more like Bryson and gets the speed from an arm "feel", but we know, "feel isn't real".
It is just so weird looking a his lowerbody angle compared to the rest of the tour. Guys like Dustin Johnson have a much more maintained knee and back flex (at impact and after). Where it is almost as with Bryson he just relies on his top part, not hanging back. I think this is also why Bryson can swing fast, simply so his lower body does not activate too much. It is feaky how much Kyle moves his left foot from start to end.
Correction, Bryson gained 25-40 pounds. He didn’t gain 25-40 pounds of muscle. That is not possible in the limited time he started gaining weight, unless of course he is on Steroids then maybe.
Using the lats re: Bryson is not a new thing. Aimee in golf did a TH-cam video talking about the same thing about 3 years ago. So either Bryson is a follower or this speed generator has been around for a while.
Remember Francesco Molinari when he started playing well because he gained some distance, he only had one swing thought left heel up on back swing and faster down.
@@MrBrokentowels - Where is Champ "double-jointed" ?? Neither he nor Rory have any extreme flexibility part of their swing. Are you thinking of Sadlowski ?
@@Melted_Butter - "screwed up " ?? Last year he tweaked it one week and tried to play through it the next week but had to withdraw. His back's been fine ever since, which is why he leads the tour in clubhead speed.
When you deadlift you are pulling also but you wouldn’t lift anything without pushing into the ground. There’s no way you could even stand up without pushing through the ground. It’s something that just happens and you don’t need to think about. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, this is basic physics. The laws don’t change for a golf swing. It is impossible to have two thoughts at once so just because what he is thinking and focusing on is pulling down doesn’t mean it’s the only thing happening.
This is all good. But after coaching kids for over 10 years, the assumption these guys make is that everyone is born with the same level of talent. Although practice can maximize one's skills, those skills will never be greater than the person's God given talent. And Tiger, Bryson, Bubba, etc. are rare in that they have the talent when they can make such a huge shoulder and hip turn while still being able to maintain control of the clubhead through the impact zone. I am just spitballing here. . . I could be wrong.
Yeah. Also I think 100 percent of the tour learned or started golfing as kids (mostly under 10) I think 90 percent of people watching golf on tv started after puberty and that’s a huge difference. It is hard to recapture that magic learning ability of a kid
Golfletics , you are incorrect sir. Mike still holds the world record drive of 515 yards at age 64 in the 1974 US National Seniors tournament. Fact. Still shafted, persimmon wood head driver and a balata ball. Fact.
Dennis Sparks oh I know the story. I have watched all the videos of him swinging and it was fast no doubt but Kyle swings nearly 160mph no way Mr. Austin was that fast. The 515 yard drive had to have some major help (Down Wind and landing on some hard surfaces more than once) it’s just physics.
Golfletics , even considering the tailwind...the ball carried 450+ yards according to confirmed witnesses. Club head speed had to be 150+ (one physicist calculated 160). Imagine when he was young and with today’s equipment. Also, Mike didn’t jump into the ball like most do today. Instead, he was still going down through impact. Mike was light years ahead of anyone today. And yes, he was longer than either of these long hitters.
Massive distance is highly overrated. I play w a few guys that are built like linebackers and hit the driver 310-325. Me, I hit it about 260 and beat them just about every time.
How many Long Drivers have held a course recored , much less won a PGA tour event ? In other words, what is the pont of "Be Better Golf" if it isnt for average golfers across America /
This guy's interpretation is off from the get go. Bryson is using the ground. He says in his own words, "I go down. Then I go up". You can't do any of that without using your lower body.
How hard is it to understand? Elite speed comes from the lower body AND upper body working together. If you don't think so, try hitting without one of the two.
There is no way bryson is 61" why do 99,9%of all american lye about their height measumenta. Do they measure height with their shoeds or ontheir tippy toes? Every singel golfer on The pga tour is pretending to beover 60" foot. Then when your meet them in person im taller. And Im just under 182cm just below 6 0" aldos Drwaefing this guy. Even tho hes an old man and must have lost at least half an inch.
Blah blah blah!!! Better to simply watch and study video and create your own narration in your head than listen to these guys and have 400 million swing thoughts in your head when you practice and play.
This is crazy. I have been watching every technique and speed training video on TH-cam to increase my speed and therefore my distance. I don't know why but for some reason listening to Bryson repeat "It's like I pull it down harder" somehow sank in and caused me to really do it during my swing. I am a 5'2" woman and a 12 handicap but never been a long-hitter. Measuring with a Trackman, I have always hit my 8 iron around 110 yards, but today I have hit it over and over at 125 mph. My 6 hybrid that I normally hit 130 yards was up to consistently around 145 yards. Thank you for leading this journey of improvement. Love your channel and love learning from your amazing and talented guests. Thank you Brendan.
Thx Judy, keep bombing it
I think you mean 125 yards not MPH
Judy, you want to build up the muscles and speed to give you a faster swing? Start doing kettlebell swings and watch your speed pick up, it's all about your hip speed along with your upper body/arms speed and kettlebell swings will do that for you. Just make sure you are doing them correctly otherwise you might hurt your back.
@@wally6193 how is a kettle bell swing working the upper body golf muscles? No rotation, posterior chain only and mostly lower body driven plus the movement is too slow. Ok for stabilization I suppose. You heard what he said-lat strength plus speed is the key along with fast rotation. So weighted pulldowns plus weighted rotations at high speed.
@@FitFast8 swings are a hip trust movement, what do you do in your swing? Swings also work the upper body and the legs. But hey, think what you will. And there is no such thing as "golf muscles", lol, crazy. You want a balanced body as in your muscles need to be balanced. Doing just lats isn't going to do it or just just one of whatever exercise isn't going to do it. But hey go for it if you think it will help.
I have watched many videos where the golf 'coach' says the speed comes from the legs and hips and I have always thought that was just nonsense as surely the legs and hips only facilitate/allow the arms and shoulders to move as fast as possible. In this video Dr Luczak has confirmed exactly that and therefore is the best video I have ever seen on creating club speed. Thank you.
Thanks BeBetter for this valuable video. Millions like Bryson and what he's doing for our game. This gave much needed additional info.
Yes a fast backswing is key to a full and wide backswing, however, there needs to be a short pause at the top. Otherwise, the change of direction will cause a substantial increase in grip pressure. Watch Kyle Berkshire carefully. You will see the pause.
Brandon. Hi! Thanks for this video. I watched other videos from Bryson. Before talking about pulling arms down he mentions that he tries to feel de club high and really behind him. I tried it and I feel that only by pulling down as hard as I can from that position, everything else seems to work automagically, without thinking about it. Awesome.
I watch these guys both every single day....Kyle is a master of using his full transition from the top to create his power....if we all did what he does at transition with what you have right now....you’d add 20 yards to every iron.....he uses his transition to really generate a violent strike.
Louis Oosthuizen (112mph like he's not even trying, it's so smooth and easy): "I try to throw the club through the ball down the fairway".
Lee Trevino (and Colin Montgomery): "I try to back hand every shot with my left hand."
Ernie Els: "I try to pull on the downswing and throw on the follow-through."
I think that throw instinct is a great thought, for me, spin your hips left feels unproductive. I'm going out right now to throw a few frisbees/clubs
I’ve always wanted to have Els’ swing
@@shofey - For some people. For others, it's the right hand.
Just always some of the best content on the web for golf. Keep up the good work man!
Thanks Rob
After watching this video and a couple by Bryson and Kyle Berkshire, I did a couple of speed sessions in my golf room....and Tony is right, by focusing on pulled down my arms faster I was able to increase my 6 iron speed from 91 mph to 98, 99, 101 in a single session all by myself and my accuracy was excellent! It is the key I’ve been looking for! I’ve worked my tail off trying to increase club head speed and nothing has been this effective in jumping such speeds. I was previously lucky to bump 3 mph. I’m both relieved and psyched to know that at 57, I can increase my swing speed and know where it’s coming from and why!
Sergio's dad told him to pull the chain from the top. Very similar to what Bryson is doing except on another level. What you really are trying to accomplish is to slot the club. I don't think about my lower body or legs or hips as some teachers try base their teaching on. I just try and pull the handle down towards the front of my right hip while still being closed off to the target. You still need to take momentum through the ball so it's not over once you hit the ball. The momentum of your arms and stabilizing force of your lower body will take care of the rotational aspect needed. Just my 2 cents.
Great great comment thx
Sergio's dad also set up a rubber strap over a door, and had Sergio pull down on it repeatedly as a drill.
It shows, Sergio has the most obvious pulling down motion.
Which, btw, produces very good accuracy in woods and irons.
The higher hands stretch the lats in my experience, creating that stretch-shortening cycle to help start the downswing
i like the idea of the body reacting to the swinging of the arms and club, seems more instinctive.
Way to go Steve Perry. That's the "new" old golf. Swing hard with the arms and let the body react to the arm swing.
He is doing a single plane swing now. His hands were lower before creating two planes now he's holds them straight out and keeps his feet planted on ground longer keeping him stable for power.
Never has it been so clear the difference between someone talking “theory” and another speaking from experience
Truly enjoyed the video! Amazing how many aspects of this is like Moe Norman's swing, yet with so much more aggression. I was wondering when someone would take Moe's swing and add some serious muscle power to it. Bryson has certainly done that. I would be concerned at some point Bryson may have physical issues sort of along the thoughts that Toni mentioned, but hopefully that won't happen because they can be detrimental.
Bryson has a framed photograph of mo hanging on his wall, in his practice putting room.
Horizontal drop and vertical tug. Thank you Mr. Moe Norman.
Vertical drop and horizontal tug.
Just an excellent eye opening video which refutes a lot of other theories that other instructors out there are teaching. For example, there are instructors saying to slow down your arms and rotate from the top. Also, I think you two guys really complement each other in getting your message across.
Thanks Richard
Geez way to be overtly obsequious.
'My vertical drop and horizontal tug', by Moe Norman. One of the best strikers of a golf ball.
So squat/ fall then pull out?
@@BEBETTERGOLFHonoured to have a reply, thanks so much and keep up the good work.
I guess so about the drop. He was self taught, and like Hogan, just loved the range.
Wasn't Trevino a big fan of Moe Norman's ball striking?
@@BEBETTERGOLF whats your handicap?
One of??? No...the best...lee Trevino, ben hogan, tiger woods and many more all said it...altho I think ben hogan was being modest as hes just as good if not better
@@BEBETTERGOLF that's what she said
Pull down to vertical drop then with pressure on the fingers of the right hand create a slight horizontal plane like an underhanded toss. Point the handle to the ball and pull through the ball to stay on plane. Then rotate shoulders with hands completion at the left ear!!!
If you can stop a player at the top of his backswing, and he can still finish his swing after a pause. His takeaway form doesn’t matter, only the top position, which is aided by the motion used to achieve that position.
I do like the concept that pulling the club down and then reacting with the ground after that
Saw a video saying, and proved it with numbers, that a faster backswing will give you more club head speed because of the force required to make the transition. You'll start from the top faster because you'll be counter-acting the speed/force during the change in direction.
Link?
Dr. Sacho Mackenzie says the same thing.
@@BEBETTERGOLF jeez some time ago but I'll look.
@@grizztrax7716 yup that's the guy
Superb! Thanks guys.
Tony is truly doing the most important work in golf instruction imo. Unbluring the lines between perception and reality and developing proper intentions.
Golfers innately try and be in real time with their motion and don't understand there is a massive, what I call phase shift, between real time and perception / intention.
Good teachers in effect "trick" players to beat the phase shift. Tony is finally proving the phase shift by good physiological and brain data.
It's very exciting.
Tony is doing nothing more than following his swing thoughts back from the 1980s at MSU. I was there, I know Tonys swing and it was certaintly a arm driven swing back then. If you watch the video of bryson it certiantly wasnt his "pull down of the arms " that got him into that position. "Feel vs. Real".
@@godsdozer The specific mechanics of any given motion are not of interest to me in my comment.
@@555Trout ok...................
I might be wrong but, the more I learn from different sources, the more I think people screw this up because they here 'pulling' and immediately think of how you'd pull other things which are similar weight to a golf club. Obviously the club gets way 'heavier' during the swing and so you need to move in a way that allows you to move something equivalent to that larger weight, and more importantly how you would pull that weight fast (lats/back/abs). If you told someone to ring a huge church bell they wouldn't suddenly move arms or the bell wouldn't move (even if that was where they'd placed their awareness solely). They'd jump up and grab the rope and as weight and muscles began to start pulling the bell down they'd naturally gradually increase as fast as their personal physical ability allows.
In this way I think feeling 'pull' or conversely 'leaving hands up' are both correct for different people. You couldn't start the bell with just your arms no matter how much you feel it maybe as a larger/stronger bell ringer, who is in fact probably using more arms. A smaller guy might have to use more of a gradual pause as his weight started to pull the bell rope before pulling the arms as hard as possible.
Something that people don't often talk about is that golfers are different sizes. In any other sport people use different parts of their body depending on their individual size, strengths and limitations. Obviously all shapes and sizes can train more of what they don't naturally have but they are going to prioritise what works best for their physicality.
Very interesting insight into how to generate clubhead speed, but the wrist action was barely mentioned. Could Dr T and you discuss the timing of the uncocking of the wrists, as Milo Lines advocates late release, and Steve Pratt advocates early release. Is it possible to prove scientifically who is correct?
Obviously since they both work, they're BOTH "scientifically correct".
Good job covering the arms but Bryson also talked about his body pulling back away from the ball. I struggle with early extension so I would like to hear more about the mechanics of pulling back and away.
For good players, it sounds like the shaft is too steep on the downswing and your early extending naturally to shallow it. Hard to change at full speed
You've got to turn the hips through the centre of your pelvis and turn them *away from the target*. Early extension comes from the hips moving forwards and towards the target too early and too much. Pros do bump towards the target but in reality it's for a tiny amount of time. This 'bump your hips' tip gets repeated for amateurs and leads to a big slide before the turn.
You're better off thinking of transferring weight on to your left foot before you reach the top of your backswing and letting the hips turn. It's like throwing a ball or hitting a baseball. Body rotates, arms catch up after.
This video (despite his changes) still shows Bryson has massive hip speed and clearing them really early to allow his hands and arms to come through.
@@2risquejunior538 shallowing the club imo is a function of a weight shift into the left foot/side. This delays the hands and arms moving first and allows the hips to turn hard left, creating space for the arms to pull down and come through.
Even in Bryson's swing you can see the blend between the top of the backswing and the start of the downswing. Too many amateurs see the swing as two distinct movements, when they're not. Just my opinion :)
Great stuff! Lots of food for thought!
Love the videos, keep it up
Kyle Berkshire - PLDA world champion- has a really good take on the long ball and it’s mechanics. I’d fully recommend anyone interested in hitting further to check out his channel.
How much tension does he have in his shoulders? When I try to keep my arms extended like him my shoulders are shaking. How hard is it to get the club back square? No wonder my left hip joint is hurting. Swinging so hard it is torqueing my hip joint.
Da key is timing and stay behind da ball and hitting it solid first, then working on speed training.
Tony Finau: Hold my beer
Tony Finau: Hold My Poke
Tony does the same
Capturing the arms with your pivot is something Tony Luzak hasn't figured out yet, as demonstrated by his attempt to do so and spin out of the shot. There's more than one way to do it. In comparison to Bryson D, Cameron Champ looks like he's doing it effortlessly.
The entire system works together to create torque then release it.
There's more than one way to do it.
Opposition of wat GG teaches
Single plane. I'm loving it 🍟💪
12:40 it's all about the separation. of the left hip from the right elbow to start the downswing. Almost a forward press of the pelvis. 2 cents 🥴🤷🏻♂️
If Luczak is telling the truth im so far far ahead in research it would blow their mind. I hit the ball real far so i was able to use my swing to figure out what is going on. Iv carried my 5 iron 260 yds before at 149 lbs. I have crazy stories. I felt like i had no limits. Iv cracked a lot of driver heads. For about 10 or 15 years i messed with my swing to figure out what i was doing that made it go ridiculously far. i found them. Its the holy grail.
God bless Bryson, he's entertaining as well; but in no freaking way am I ever going to swing like that. I played with the Ventura City senior champ about two years ago, and he was showing off how he can hit his driver from his knees almost 250 yds. So, obviously you can create a lot of speed with your upper body, but that much effort would lead to injuries to most normal humans--I'm guessing. I don't know that, it just looks that way. I'm glad Bryson is doing this for himself and for us though....it is really fun to watch him on tv--and I think he's winning because of his short game which doesn't get any attention.
Worth a try though.
Actually using your upper body for power instead of twisting you hips hard is easier on your back. Work on speed using your arms and wrists and give your back a break.
Low and slow might not be bad advise. We are not all long drivers. Amateur level consistency is way more important.
Iv solved what is going on. At 149 lbs i hit 350 yard greens. i hit a 5 iron 250 yards. I have a slow mo 3 iron 296 yds.
When he says he feels like he’s pulling down from the top, does he mean with the hands, arms, the lats? And I wonder if it’s more the left side or equilateral?
When you pull as hard as he is pulling u gotta use both I thing and it’s Lats, forearms, core, it really involves a lot
@@BEBETTERGOLF I just don't know, I watched Bryson doing twists in a gym machine, I assume he's doing it for his core but I will also assume it is not good for your spine in the long run. Let's see how he is doing a few years from now. There are better(or should I say safer) ways to build your core muscles.
I don’t think these guys care that much about long term safety for long careers. They wanna make a huge pile of cash now and then chill
@@BEBETTERGOLF Well he has already done that part I guess, $$. I'm sure he will win a few more before his body breaks down as he is still young so his body can withstand some more bad form in the gym for a few more years. But packing on that many pounds and going at it as hard as he does can/will take a toll. But hey I wish him all the best in his career. Look what happened to Koepka, his injuries are from over doing it in the gym. No doubt same with DJ when he had a few body injuries not long ago.
He said lats in the video to Faldo... lats is your back. Latissimus dorsi
Feel vs. Reel..............I pull down with my hands....................check out in the vid what makes his Feel vs. real happen. At left arm paralell in the downswing his hips are at already at the address position or a little open. Pullling down , did not create that position. bye the way, I went to MSU when Tony was there back in late 80s, I know him and I remember his swing. Look at @6:23 closely.
100% this. There are thousands of golf instructional videos online with different feels intended on getting players into the same-ish spots. I'm fairly certain Monte said something similar on this channel at one point. If I recall correctly, he said all of his videos cover the same 5 topics; they are just different ways of saying the same thing (or something along those lines). Find which feel works for you and ignore the rest (video recording helps tremendously with this). If feeling like you're pulling with your hands gets you in the proper spot, feel like you pull with your hands. If feeling like you're leaving your hands high gets you in the proper spot, feel like you leave your hands high. There's no one size fits all.
Eric Congorno is big on using exaggerated feels and video feedback to get players in the right spots. The video feedback is a big, big part of it. I'd love to see him make an appearance on this channel at some point.
@godsdozer watching BC at 6:23 and attempting to emulate square to open-squared hips at left arm parallel on the way down...After repeated attempts, 2 things occur when I get closest to those positions: a very aggressive takeaway, and a very deliberate/aggressive left heel stomp at transition.
It’s good business in the future for chiropractors if Mr Joe wants to adopt this swing. I just see very risky practice for backs, knees and so ....
Hey - A little secret here- Sam Snead said: "I feel the Lats pulling", in a segment on the golf channel YEARS ago with Jim McCLean. I have been using it for years and at 56 I have 117 MPH club head speed. There is nothing new folks-
I was just going to post about this too -- and then McLean literally -- on screen! -- tries to CHANGE what Sam just said in real time -- sometimes teachers just get in the way. Listen to what the great PLAYERS say they do (if you can)
That's right, you don't want to pull the arm down, but using the lat twist and rotate to pull the arms down in position you can throw the club thru the ball to the target.
Can you point me to where you hesrd that or more info that I could read up on...I swing about 115, but in only 22 and I'm 6'4, theres gotta be some speed still on the table
Sam always said he "pulled down" from the top.
McClean heard one thing from Snead, wrote another to suit his agenda. Snead was a "puller" of the club. Says it in his book "Swing Keys"
Good video. It would be interesting to get Monte's take on it too.
Woden of the Angles exactly the same
Where do I find the link for the videos with you and Tony?
th-cam.com/video/K0WToD5WOCY/w-d-xo.html
What about "footwork" though? Classic golf term. I started out with none while trying to "control" my swing. Recently have started feeling lots more footwork (Zen Golf Mech.) and having success?
Does Iron Byron have footwork???
Which college is that?
Pulling down the downswing is a power move in itself. You don't need to bulk up like Bryson. Just swing down with the arms. And the faster you can swing the farther you can hit the ball.
Looks exactly like the GOAT, Jack in his 20’s.
Everyone else by now, including Jack, knows who the real GOAT is.
Watch carefully. He uses EVERYTHING! When the torso is wound 90 degrees or more, the turning of the hips towards the target initiates the fore swing. This move further puts stretch to the lats giving them more wind and thus more ability and distance to contract.
Rory is the king of distance IMO...he does it with much less stature and mass--and w/no steroids
Yeah, 191 ball speed at 5'4" and straight. Best driver I've ever seen. Hope he doesn't tinker too much chasing more distance. Needs a better a game from 125 and in. It's funny how you are usually one or the other - a good driver or a good iron player. It's rare to be both for whatever reason.
@@NewJerusalem77 Rory is taller than 5 ft 4. I believe he is 5 ft 8/9.
@@philipchan1856 Sorry. I probably mistyped. No way he's 5'9" like his bio says but the point is he's definitely not tall but generates a ton of speed.
Brendon, check out Over Hand Golf and his Holy Grail of Golf this guy says the same thing i have been using it for 3 weeks and it works, pull down.
Might go visit him. I’m fatting it with that
Wouldn’t it be better to have Kyle and his coach Bobby on the show to get the real answers to what their doing
You should make that happen and send us a link.
Is Kyle on tour?
Id love to meet Bryson if he is really into science or mechanics. Iv found MASSIVE secrets to the swing. Iv cracked the code. I dont want to really give any hints. There are optical and sensory illusions in the swing that blind the entire golf world. The more the swing is slowed down and studied the MORE illusion it adds. I found a way to break free from this.
i think its different feels for different players but Bryson and Kyle they both have really good sequencing in their swing that they feel like they just pull down ... if a novice did that i would imagine they will just hit the ball fat with a really steep angle of attack
Always thought you were a bit random, but started taking you seriously, after your work with milo lines, this is a great video, also liked your video regarding speed force ratios 👍💰
It's clearly still a one plane swing. Sets up on the impact plane. He's has a wider stance and more wrist hinge than he used to. Actually closer to Moe Norman than he was before
Lol not even close
No, he's not close at all to Moe Norman, and not "single plane".
Bryson just holds his hands high at address, which gives the illusion of single plane.
But closer. Wider stance. Very similar lead hand and arm. He goes up higher in the backswing but that’s partly because he’s taller
He just goes a little above the swing plane at the top and then gets right back on it. Am I to believe without that he could not create that amount of speed. Seems like luzack is justifying his own swing ideas here
I think getting swingspeed from your lats/torso will be a quite "delicate" situation. first of all it will never be as sustainable as golfers who use their legs as the main source of energy, meaning he will get shorter as he ages faster than lower body hitters. also i think it might put strain on his body that could quickly lead to bigger issues. I love him and i find him super fascinating, but i think his "premise" is not quite correct. the god-tier short gamer will always win over the "bomber". we saw this again at the open, where cam smith won using wedges and the putter. also a nice example is Kyle Berkshire himself. he hits bombs like no one else and he is even a good player. his short game is decent, he has good aim and all. but still its not enough to sit at the big-boys table, of whom some drive it a fraction of his distance only. so for better golf its surely best to practice everything fro, 0-180 yards. that also causes less injury and you can keep having fun until old age...
Study how the Posterior/Anterior Oblique Systems (aka Slings) work in the body if you truly want to understand how power is generated and you will quickly understand why Bryson's "feel" of "pulling" with the lats and upper body is not the full story. The lower body is HIGHLY involved in the equation. It doesn't just "react". He wouldn't hit a ball very far sitting on bar stool. Largest muscles in the body are not the lats. It's The gluteus maximus. Bryson is using his gluts like crazy. Better phraseology would be to say he is using his slings like crazy.
That involves upper, lower body and core. It's just common sense for max distance.
You can't compare what Louis Ooshuizen says cause he's not going for max distance. He is using a compromise swing cause he needs accuracy also.
Best Long drive competitor that I've seen talk about the "slings" is Dan McIntosh.
I think the big secret for Bryson is his address with the upright hands and arms away from the body. It is almost like it activates his bigger muscles.
Lot of people are going to hurt themselves trying this me thinks 🤔😬
Tony has done some serious work with all this
bdyt hurt? Why.... if you don’t do weird stuff with your hips then your fine.
@@arjanpetersen the swing can be hard enough on the back for some as it is. Now mix in trying to swing like Bryson. Not all that play this game are that athletic. Just a thought
@@bdyt You are quite correct, this is for young, supple, gym-trained folk who can afford the surgery they will need in their 30s, 40s. Spinning your shoulders fast through impact increases speed but puts the back and legs under huge strain on the follow through.
From Bryson's interview it seems that his swing thought is Involving the upper body, but clearly if you are swinging the club at 135 miles an hour, the entire body needs to be involved. If we watch the video, he has a huge amount of lower body, ground force, involved. On BBG we have learned from Monte that some people have the upper body react to the lower body movement and some are vice versa. Monte thinks more like Bryson and gets the speed from an arm "feel", but we know, "feel isn't real".
Bet you he could swing it close to that speed on his knees
@@FitFast8 not even close
It is just so weird looking a his lowerbody angle compared to the rest of the tour. Guys like Dustin Johnson have a much more maintained knee and back flex (at impact and after). Where it is almost as with Bryson he just relies on his top part, not hanging back. I think this is also why Bryson can swing fast, simply so his lower body does not activate too much.
It is feaky how much Kyle moves his left foot from start to end.
At 5.50 he looks like a young Nicklaus
Lol...I'm 220 lbs, can do lots of wide grip chin ups, lots of deadlifts, still cant peel an orange with my golf swing 🙂
Correction, Bryson gained 25-40 pounds. He didn’t gain 25-40 pounds of muscle. That is not possible in the limited time he started gaining weight, unless of course he is on Steroids then maybe.
Roids
2030 - swing speed comes from flipping
actually Malaska already said that
Using the lats re: Bryson is not a new thing. Aimee in golf did a TH-cam video talking about the same thing about 3 years ago. So either Bryson is a follower or this speed generator has been around for a while.
Pulling the club has been around since Old Tom Morris. People don't teach it because it's a short lesson.
Remember Francesco Molinari when he started playing well because he gained some distance, he only had one swing thought left heel up on back swing and faster down.
After he won the Open, he was at the masters doing that squat and jump away move and haven’t really seen him since. Not sure if connected
I'd rather hear Cameron Champ's words.
Just as fast as Bryson (if not faster) but with much less effort, and he didn't have to gain 40 lbs.
The double-jointed guy? He’s amazing but guys like him and Rory can’t be copied unless you have that flexibility and strength.
@@MrBrokentowels - Where is Champ "double-jointed" ??
Neither he nor Rory have any extreme flexibility part of their swing.
Are you thinking of Sadlowski ?
Champ has already screwed up his back. Not sure he’s one to follow too closely.
@@Melted_Butter - "screwed up " ?? Last year he tweaked it one week and tried to play through it the next week but had to withdraw. His back's been fine ever since, which is why he leads the tour in clubhead speed.
Carl Bunch He’s what 23? And has pulled out of 2 tournaments because of back problems. The guy’s back will get worse unless his swing changes.
When you deadlift you are pulling also but you wouldn’t lift anything without pushing into the ground. There’s no way you could even stand up without pushing through the ground. It’s something that just happens and you don’t need to think about. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, this is basic physics. The laws don’t change for a golf swing. It is impossible to have two thoughts at once so just because what he is thinking and focusing on is pulling down doesn’t mean it’s the only thing happening.
This is all good. But after coaching kids for over 10 years, the assumption these guys make is that everyone is born with the same level of talent. Although practice can maximize one's skills, those skills will never be greater than the person's God given talent. And Tiger, Bryson, Bubba, etc. are rare in that they have the talent when they can make such a huge shoulder and hip turn while still being able to maintain control of the clubhead through the impact zone. I am just spitballing here. . . I could be wrong.
Yeah. Also I think 100 percent of the tour learned or started golfing as kids (mostly under 10) I think 90 percent of people watching golf on tv started after puberty and that’s a huge difference. It is hard to recapture that magic learning ability of a kid
@@BEBETTERGOLF Greg Norman started in his late teens
And neither of them could hit the ball as far as Mike Austin could in his 60’s with the equipment and balls of the 1970’s.
That’s not true
Golfletics , you are incorrect sir. Mike still holds the world record drive of 515 yards at age 64 in the 1974 US National Seniors tournament. Fact. Still shafted, persimmon wood head driver and a balata ball. Fact.
Dennis Sparks oh I know the story. I have watched all the videos of him swinging and it was fast no doubt but Kyle swings nearly 160mph no way Mr. Austin was that fast. The 515 yard drive had to have some major help (Down Wind and landing on some hard surfaces more than once) it’s just physics.
Golfletics , even considering the tailwind...the ball carried 450+ yards according to confirmed witnesses. Club head speed had to be 150+ (one physicist calculated 160). Imagine when he was young and with today’s equipment. Also, Mike didn’t jump into the ball like most do today. Instead, he was still going down through impact. Mike was light years ahead of anyone today. And yes, he was longer than either of these long hitters.
Dennis Sparks I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one😉. It can’t be proven one way or another. Mr. Austin did have a sweet swing!
He’s at Como’s house
He's still a single plane swing just with more power
Forget that single plane crap. Moe Normans biggest advantage was - he PULLED the club.
Would it be fair to say that the movement of the lower body is a byproduct, much more than an intention?
Absolutely. These pros aren't thinking about their hips man!
Massive distance is highly overrated. I play w a few guys that are built like linebackers and hit the driver 310-325. Me, I hit it about 260 and beat them just about every time.
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I think Bryson pulled down hard with his upper torso and then turned hard with his lower body.
How many Long Drivers have held a course recored , much less won a PGA tour event ? In other words, what is the pont of "Be Better Golf" if it isnt for average golfers across America /
You’re missing the point of the video as well as speed in a golf swing generally.
The lats aren't the largest muscle, the glutes are.
This guy's interpretation is off from the get go. Bryson is using the ground. He says in his own words, "I go down. Then I go up". You can't do any of that without using your lower body.
Largest muscle is the glutes, not the lats.
Nothing NEW! Sam Snead talked about this many,many years ago!
Squish the what?
How hard is it to understand? Elite speed comes from the lower body AND upper body working together. If you don't think so, try hitting without one of the two.
Still looks like a single plane swing.
There is no way bryson is 61" why do 99,9%of all american lye about their height measumenta. Do they measure height with their shoeds or ontheir tippy toes? Every singel golfer on The pga tour is pretending to beover 60" foot. Then when your meet them in person im taller. And Im just under 182cm just below 6 0" aldos Drwaefing this guy. Even tho hes an old man and must have lost at least half an inch.
Yeah he looks more like 5'11" or 6 feet. I'm 6'2.5"
Blah blah blah!!!
Better to simply watch and study video and create your own narration in your head than listen to these guys and have 400 million swing thoughts in your head when you practice and play.
You cant teach this. You either have it or you dont.
Both these guys have no idea what they are talking about🤣😂🤣😂
Editing is poor in the video
Great observation, very useful
Brysons body will breakdown in next 3-5 years.